Two Causes of a "Second Rut" - One Good, One Bad. How to Tell Which One You Are Seeing.
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- Опубліковано 5 гру 2021
- Many deer hunters witness a second flurry of rut activity a few weeks after the main peak. There are two things that can cause this to happen. One is a good sign for the deer population, and the other is not. How can you tell which one is causing the late rut activity in your woods?
In this video, NDA’s Lindsay Thomas Jr. explains, and he provides tips on what you can do to avoid the bad scenario for a second rut.
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I saw a second rut in PA in early December and it was insane. I saw at least 30 deer in 2-3 hours that day. 3 bucks and the rest were young, first year doe prancing around looking for a mate. It was very interesting... it also allowed me to harvest a nice 8-point. When I shot him, 2 does actually came running out of the woods to see what the loud noise was and just stood there. Never seen anything like it.
2nd rut is definitely truth. Have had some really good Novembers but both the biggest bucks Ive never taken came running doe fawns right around Christmas at 6 months old they come into their first cycle
Nice! I am excited to see the rut take off in a couple weeks.
This has been very educational and very thorough. He spoke clearly and well understood. Thank you.
I appreciate this information. Thanks for putting this together for us
All is good with your information another change is when the rut falls directly in the beginning of rifle season and breeding is interrupted buy heavy harvest on rutting bucks.
In Missouri I have witnessed the second rut numerous times usually the first or second week of December several bucks chasing one doe each time I have experience it also has always been young does
Great info Lindsay! Thank you. On a side note, r.e. tooth replacement/aging when hunting the late rut, mid December here in Michigan, it's very common to take yearling deer that have shed their 3rd 3 cusp tooth, it's easily identifiable because the replacement tooth isn't usually fully erupted.
True! On late-season deer, that 3-cusped temporary tooth may already be gone, but the replacement tooth will look clean and new (or not fully erupted as you mentioned). However, at this point in the year, milk will pretty much be gone from all doe udders, so you can't use that as an indicator of fawn production that year.
I learned something tonight. Liked /subscribed . From Ontario,Canada
Thank you!
From our experience hunting the Eastern Shore of VA, you can expect to see chasing just about anytime in Nov. A second rut, but not as much chasing, around the 9th of Dec. A local, who has hunted the shore for years, swears there is a third rut, around the end of Dec into early Jan.
The ratio of doe to bucks is high, and i bet greater that 5:1.
I noticed here in the panhandle of WV we have been having fawns all the way into September here that is crazy
Here in North Central Fl. the rut is always crazy.
Thanks for providing sound information we can use in managing our habitat and harvest.
That's our job description! Thanks for watching!
I had a buck trying to breed a doe fawn on new years day. Never saw that before until this year! Same spot I got pics of adult doe being bread all night long!
Here in South Carolina middle of the state first rut happens in October ,2nd rut happens in November, 3rd rut December and there is some activity in Jan, feb,and sometimes in march...
This is likely not third and fourth rounds of estrous cycles but simply a more widely spread distribution of early to late breeding does in the population. In the Deep South, the "peak" of the rut is often broader on the calendar and less intense at the peak than in the North, because winter is not as strong a survival factor for fawns. In the North, fawns that aren't born in a fairly narrow window of time won't survive winter.
Good info, Lindsay! I understand that a small number of does occasionally miscarry each year. If that happens early in the breeding season, do those does cycle in again and re-breed that same year or are their bodies in a condition where they won't be bred again until the following year?
I'm in SE Texas & live on a large piece of property that know one hunts besides me & the deer are bad!
I noticed chasing around Late Sept into October. Then I noticed chasing the 1st week into Dec.. Now the 2nd week in Dec & on I see all the Bucks groups together.. The Does will be in their little groups.
Some cold mornings late season I can count upwards of 75 bucks in 1 area just playing or minding their own business.
Oh my you sound like you need some help managing those deer. 🦌
South Ms. here, Walthall Co. Jan 2022 awesome and Jan 14 - 31 was wide open.
Georgia you get 10 does and 2 buck- so there’s definitely a lot more does than bucks. Where I hunt I’ve seen 3 different bucks chasing does in the last week. Hoping to take as many does as I can before season end to fill that freezer! And if that means I’m helping manage the sustainable population for next season, I’m all for it.
Go for it! Thanks for watching!
Well stated.. unfortunately none of the later ruts brings out the big bucks during day time
Well said!!!!! ,and explained...
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
I agree w/ you appear educated. I agree w/ lotsa possibilities that you mention. HOWEVER, book/data "experts" dance around/ "puhshaw" long range upcoming weather as a factor in late ruts. My point: deer been living longer than humans been pontificating. Animals "know" things, instinctively. This current season(2022), rut usually hits approx Nov 8-15., yet I( as a deer hunter w/60 yrs exp) found little, if any evidence of that. Nov 28, my wife was almost knocked down by doe, w/ 8ptr in HOT pursuit, as my wife went to mail-box.( We live @intersection of heavily traveled 2-lane highways.) Subsequently, deer/vehicle collisions increased significantly during period of 11/28/22>12/01/22. This was in a 10mi radious of our house( We're retired, so we had plenty of time to check plenty of areas) I fully believe that the rut hit on those three days. Unusual. I'm banking on next(2nd rut) hit 12/26/27/28. I also expect a rough end of winter/begining of spring 2023. BECAUSE, them animals know things!! ADDENDUM, 2023: Due to extra dry/wonky weather, rut hit 11/14/23, very short lived. 2nd rut, 12/10 & 12/11/23 actually more noticeable. Actually saw same 8-ptnr service a doe each day. Surprisingly, saw 10-pointer "hot-trailing" a doe 12/12/23. Guess we gonna have late fawns '24. Also saw "just-outa-spots"fawn, different area, same day. Definately a late-fawn, '23!!
Always a 2nd rut around Christmas in NC mountains. Its because Billy Bob shoots every dang deer with a button on its head around here if it's still sucking on a teet or not...
Like and subbed. Very good information and presentation. Thank you.
Awesome, thank you!
Great video Thanks for the info.
Glad it was helpful!
Thumbs up from Lake George, NY !!!
Fascinating.
I remember years ago I saw 7 or 8 bucks chasing one doe in December in illinois. seems like to actually hunt the 2nd rut it's more of a crap shoot. Hope you got some young does in the area and they peak when you're in stand
Videos like this should be required of all deer hunters. So much crap and "old hunter's wisdom" ruins what could be healthy deer populations
Glad you thought it was informative. Thanks for watching!
I am witnessing a second rut just starting in central Oklahoma. From what I’ve seen so far we have a pretty balanced herd. Very light hunting pressure and very selective on our bucks. Well done video! Thank You for sharing your knowledge.
Good information !
Thanks for watching!
There is almost always a second rut here in MN. This is especially true when the weather is unusually warm in early November. The deer do not move much in warm conditions and so a lot of does do not get bred. It seems a lot of 1.5 year old does do not get bred in the first rut no matter the weather. I had a nice 8 pointer walk right by my tree stand while bow hunting today. It was out looking for does smelling the ground like a bird dog. We also had a buck chasing a year old doe in our backyard.
There is always an will forever be second rut. Buck senior cant breed all these does. So who ever doesnt get bred will
Cycle again.
@@Yettiattack The second rut has started here in MN where I live. Bucks are chasing does, active scrapes, bucks are moving in the daytime.
The irony of a doe fawn coming into estrus late is that her mother was bred early enough that she had time to get big enough to breed, and the doe fawn's offsprings will not be mature enough the next season. We have late rut here in Alabama and we have 2 different subspecies I guess for lack of a better term (way back when deer from Michigan were brought down to the national forests) and the Michigan deer rut about a month earlier than the bama deer
Re stocking all over the south back in the day? 30s?? Killed off spring from Northern GENE POOL DEER in North Ocala area 180 lb They also fined poachers with the COST of re-stocking
I don't hunt but this was great to watch
Try it sometime it's peaceful even if u don't harvest anything
U never know u may reinvent yourself....u can lose yourself and find yourself sometimes in the same day.
I'm hoping this happens here, the rut this year was pretty lackluster where I hunt.
I shot an 8 point last year on November 28th, that was looking for a doe in heat, that’s the latest I’ve seen during the first rut.
That's when the rut hits in my area
New Hampshire Fish and Game should watch this. The buck to doe ratio in Coos county is terrible. Definitely not enough bucks!
Great summary n info breaking down ALL tje crucial facts n processes n how they impact the heard .. Super presentation !! 😎 Anyone managing their properties can find this relevant n useful !! Thx
In my area of Eastern, ND we have way more does than bucks and not alot of mature bucks can be found I'm sure round 2 is happening in my area and it's sad
The doe to buck ratio is so out of balance locally that 75% of the mature does bred at all! Besides it not being "macho" to shoot a doe, there is the belief that if you shoot a doe you are killing three deer - the doe and her (potential) fawns. Seen guys shoot a button-buck instead of a mature doe (both reqire an "antler-less" tag). Seems that the idea that no bucks = no fawns hasn't occurred to these guys. The other concern about does breeding the second rut is that their fawns don't have the body mass to survive their first winter. This video should be mandatory viewing for every deer tag sold. But I doubt that would change the "any buck or nothing" attitude. The only way to restore the buck doe ratio is to mandate a "8-point or better" law to protect the young bucks. A friend implemented that on his 400 acre property and in 4 years his deer herd is back in balance with an excellent population of BIG bucks. Good luck with your deer management education!
That's what it's like in New Jersey. Some places get like a third rut because all the guys shoot bucks.
Not really, deer in Illinois are 8 pointers by 2 years .
The problem is meat hunters, they don't care about tomorrow or the next guy as long as they get what they want! That's how it is here in SE Wisconsin it's horrible place to hunt and raise future hunter's, we have to many season's with youth hunt then bow then gun then muzzleloader then late season doe gun hunt then late season bow and in some places a holiday hunt... it's crazy there's guys literally taking 6+ deer a year not to mention endless amount of doe tags in alot of counties that can be purchased and we wonder why deer hunting gone to heck... i can't help but look back in history when white man almost made buffalo extinct and we will do it to the whitetail species. There's no chance the deer population to rebound from this year after year something has to dramatically change! Combine youth and muzzle loader into normal 9 day gun hunt and eliminate the late season gun doe season and the endless amount of doe tags, 2 years make it buck only statewide and 8 point or better and watch and see the deer bounce back like it used to be
best thing about deer ive ever seen.no bull
I’ve seen bucks chasing does in early Jan. In RI
Central Louisiana, I start going to the woods the last week of October all the way until the end of February (not just for deer). I see scrapes the whole hunting season, not sure you experts really have it exact.
We have bucks on camera with horns on until the 3rd week of March and pregnant does in early July. Then they turn nocturnal in October. MO. We have been seeing this since 2013 on different cameras. It used to be normal but no more
I seen it here in Texas up to Jan 4
Great information, I didn’t see a lot of it but I did witness a buck chasing a doe early this December, and I mean nose down hot on her trail chasing her trough the woods. My first observation was how the doe had young features and was about 1/2 the size. I’m in upstate NY so I believe this was a second rut due to the amount of bucks and I’m on public land with unlimited acorns and places people don’t venture into very often.
The fawns usually got into heat at the end of Dec.
Thanks for watching!
I’ll add another bad consequence of too many mature does is that bucks rutting late in the season gives them less time for recovery and more chance of poor health. Not to mention possibly less food to recover because of higher deer numbers.
Yes, this is definitely another problem that results from an unbalanced buck:doe ratio.
A balanced herd only happens when hunters are willing and able to shoot does. Few hunters will want to shoot a doe if only allowed to take one deer.
To bad management in NB Canada haven't figured this out in 30 years !! Just slamming Bucks.
I am relatively certain my habitat supports the animals we have, and then some. Still, I am concerned we have TOO MANY animals (bucks and does alike). Our fawn recruitment these past years has been off the charts with MANY doubles. I actually welcome most coyotes to take what they want.
I have witnessed breeding up to late December and have seen fresh fawns in late Sept (meaning a Jan or Feb breeding took place). We take about two does for every buck. QUESTION: With all this breeding activity, does any science indicate how it might negatively affect body and antler health in bucks? Even if the breeding is "healthy balanced herd" breeding. Or what is your opinion in that? Thank you Mr. Thomas.
That's all good but in the south November is so hot the rut is not starting till December to January and the wildlife communities won't change the the season no one will set in a tree stand when it's 60-70 degrees so doe are coming in later than January to get breed!
I've seen bucks chasing does on the last day of bow here in Oklahoma, January 15th
Interesting. Thanks for watching!
I have seen that in MN up to Christmas. It seems to usually be 18 month old does.
There's 3 ruts here in SW PA. I/we've seen fawns in August. Small as dogs with spots pushing almost into October. 200 days/7 months gestation so the math says they were bred in late January.
There's 3 reasons why the doe population well exceeds the buck. 1. Lack of hunter's
2. Private property owners restrict hunting and neglect to kill what does that are needed to removed from the herd.
3. Years of the PGC screwing the pooch and f'n up with poor management.
The writing is on the wall, just got to open your eyes.
Does this mean when u still see does with the fawn she hasn’t been breed?
Notice the yearlings bunching together and a few does still with fawns
Alabama has second rut almost every year I have hunted their
We have had an unbalanced issue in Alabama for decades. This year you are allowed to take only 3 bucks all season and one has to have at least 4 points on one antler. But you can harvest an unantlered deer every day of the 119 day season. (bow + gun) Our rut typically happens in late December or early January, but every year I see scrapes and rubs in late January and early February. I decided years ago to focus on harvesting unantlered deer in an effort to help balance the population. I think it's beginning to get better. 10 years or so ago, the state regs let you harvest 2 unantlered deer a day.
Wow those are some messed up laws for the deer. Might be one of the worst states I’ve heard for deer laws
The deer must be overpopulated with nit enough hunters. If thats the case I might come help out
@@GoneCarnivore There are numerous opportunities to hunt here. The state manages a number of Wildlife Management Areas for public hunting. Also we have National Forests that I believe also allow hunting. I started hunting on WMA's with a friend back in the 90's, then a job move put me close to private land owned by family. This year every deer I've taken has been off my back deck in the suburbs of Birmingham. My neighbors were all complaining about the devastation to their landscaping, so I volunteered to thin the local herd bowhunting and share the venison. We've got plenty of deer that's for sure. I would check about transportation regulations for venison if you are from out of state. Chronic Wasting Disease has caused changes in a lot of regs recently. We have two counties in the extreme northwest corner of the state where they found it. So far it's been contained. PTL.
Thats just crazy. We are allowed 1 deer in washington per year.
Always a second rut. The bucks going back picking up Does that were missed!!
Rut haven't even started here in Mississippi yet.
This is very true in Arkansas. I have killed more 150+ class bucks in our second rut than in the first rut, and I’ve done this on public hunting land.
One problem we have is deer leases. Many of these leases are required to kill a certain number of doe each year and many do not get near that number. Nothing gets done about it by the game and fish. Do your own research and you will be amazed. Secondly, too many young bucks are killed every year. Our hunters would rather kill a 2 year old 6 point than a 5 year old doe.
I know this because I had been in a few leases for 35+ years of hunting. Plus there’s more drama in deer leases than a soap opera!
It’s disheartening to let 6 or more young bucks walk and come back to camp each hunt and see them hanging on the skinning rack.
I wish this state would go to an 8 point rule and sell a spike tag to get rid of these 4 year old cowbell spikes.
Two weeks ago I was pulling out of a sheetz parking lot in Pennsylvania . There was a Bambi in the parking lot. Tiny. Looks like it was born withing the week or two. I don't understand that. Wouldn't that mean the mother of the fawn was bred in july?
I guess I’ll be finding out soon if the place I’m on has a healthy population or not. There is a group of doe’s and fawns together that made it through gun and now antlerless to my knowledge, and I know of 1 buck still in the area, that I would love to put an arrow in.
Six month doe fawns sometimes come into their first heat, that was the case with the P&Y buck I saw during the second rut.
I have never seen a 6 month doe come into heat or a year old doe with a fawn. Probably varies by area of the country.
@@herbb8547 That’s the main reason for the second rut, bucks can’t breed their first year, but some doe fawns come into their first heat at 6 months. Most older does are bred, very few are not.
@@dalerash6285 I have never seen a fawn doe being chased by a buck. I have also never seen a year old doe with a fawn. Here in MN it seems that does don't breed until they are about 18 months old and does that age often don't go into heat until December. That said, I have seen fawns with spots into early November some years which would indicate a January or even February breeding. And there is no shortage of mature bucks anywhere I have ever hunted in MN. This is probably due to a one buck limit per year for all hunters. I can see a buck shortage happening in locations where multiple bucks are allowed to be taken. That said, I saw a buck checking its scrape this past Sunday. The second rut is going on here now. It is not as intense as the first rut, but the bucks are running.
@@herbb8547 Maybe fawns are born later there, here it’s mostly in June.
@@herbb8547 one of the biggest bucks I have ever seen was laying with a tiny doe by a huge scrape late in the season ?????
Central MS hasn’t even had the 1st rut yet.
What is the name of the camo you're wearing?
You mentioned a buck doe ratio of one to one. Is this what NDA believes is desirable for a quality ratio?
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That is a Whitetail Catalyst jacket made by First Lite, in their Specter camo pattern. First Lite is a huge supporter of our mission. Every time you buy apparel in their Specter camo pattern, First Lite makes a donation to NDA.
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I think it’s concerning no matter the reason when does are being breed late. For the reasons you mentioned, fawns that are born later are faced with less than ideal circumstances and survival rates drop plus it perpetuates the late breeding cycle. Not sure there is a iron clad answer to this problem but certainly a management system that works toward a 1:1 ratio and one that promotes mature bucks being the breeders in the system goes a long way in solving it.
If your hunt range is being over browsed in the time frame of the first hatch to second hatch , ya better start hunting in July or get more ground .
Second Rut = Second Chance! Both for the deer and the hunters! However, too heavy of a second rut and next years deer heard will be at a disadvantage - especially in colder areas!
Thanks for watching!
Isn't the gestation period for deer about 7 months? A doe bred in November should drop a fawn in June, correct?
Correct. Gestation for most whitetails is around 200 days, though lengths of 187 to 213 days have been reported in research.
We have a second rut every year, it's the fawns from that year coming in heat. From my experience it can be even better because there is less does in estrous and the bucks have to travel more to find does. The only problem is there seems to be less really big bucks in this rut. The true large caliber deer 5 to 7 or 8 year olds.
We have the first rut in Pa in Nov and the second rut after Xmas
I am in Southern Ontario and we have are shotgun hunt this week.yesterday I shot a small 10 point. Mam did he stink like piss. Fully in rut.7 of December
Bit of a stretch saying young bucks do know how or are hindered in breeding . Other than that balance and habitat is definitely a factor.
In South Carolina, at what age are deer safe from coyotes?
Well the rut around my house is every other month for about 5 mins! 🙄
That is funny
So why not just set out "Doe In Estrous" scent every time we hunt to get the buck's attention?
Twice I’ve seen the second rut, both bucks were big, one P&Y, the other a 140+ buck.
I shot my personal best buck this December 18th. Pretty sure a fawn came into heat and he came chasing right after her in the plot.
also not every breeding results in a pregnancy. The doe who was actually bred may fail to conceive or that pregnancy may fail within the first two weeks after breeding. These does will cycle again
Do you have scientific data that supports your statement? Miscarriage rates in whitetails are extremely low. In a healthy population, most does bear fawns every year, and a fair number produce triplets. For the very small percentage that miscarry, it's unlikely they would go into estrus a second time that year.
Here in fla we have a pre rut. Main rut post rut. I've seen pawing though light in late Jan. Central fla. Prob not the greatest buck to doe ratio and there was dog hunting at the time.
Interesting but just does not fit at all from my experience on what I call secondary RUT for young fawn doe..Take a book to share 74 years of chasing whitetail deer. Deer was brought into Georgia from Texas deer and the professionals felt due to the hoof & screw worm from cattle would effect deer. In Georgia that line runs middle of the state to Macon over towards Savannah, Ga . The rut came in the middle of November the week before thanksgiving, week of Thanksgiving or week after. But does not hold true for the very bottom third of Georgia. (Hold on that for one minute) living in Columbus I also hunted in Barbour county Alabama. Deer were over populated and I seen a browse line which cause young deer to high death . The Rut alway happen week after Christmas, secondary rut was not seen, until the explosion of hogs as trapping was needed to to capture to stop population explosion. We captured deer full grown bucks scrapes , neck swell chasing young doe. The deer came from stock of deer from Wisconsin. A lot more information on this to share in this arena. Jump back to South Georgia where I live now, I hunt using bow&arrow taking wife on deer hunts. Baiting is legal now and trying get her bow kill, every fawn that came to feed with mother into feed (October) bow season fawn still sucked mother doe , small with spots. She refuse to shoot any doe or fawn. Counting back to estrus for these doe landed around Christmas or January. Asking game & fish ( book experts) the same answer alway Thanksgiving is Rut in Ga.
Now twenty years living in soug
Just curious from my observation over the past 60 years: If you kill a 'mature" doe with milk haven't you just starved 1-2 Fawns ? How can one tell if a good doe has already been bred and you go ahead and shoot it anyway ? In my observation more yearling does are killed than mature does, at least in SE Ar. how does that help in reproduction of future deer ? Lastly, while visiting a big deer farm recently I discovered that the genetics for healthy bucks with nice racks are not in the Buck but in the doe. Does there bring far more money than a Buck that will score 258. How can we as hunters apply that logic in the woods and kill the "right" does ?
26 days later ......we have as many as 5 here in Maine , actually have a video of a hard horned buck tending a doe on March 8th...........does are protected here and the bucks take hell.........we have twice as many doe hit by cars , than bucks harvested by hunters.............
Why you giving out the juice
The area I hunt I've seen bucks chasing well after season ends problem caused by we aren't allowed to harvest does there buck only so doe herd is out of control and not enough bucks to breed when they are supposed to
Hope you are able to figure out how to get an allowance for doe harvest. Sounds like it is definitely needed! Good luck and thanks for watching.
@@DeerAssociation the Florida Fish and Wildlife refuses to allow the taking of does in the area we been fighting for it a long time we recently got an annual bag limit in place with antlerless tags on it and we can't even use them unless we are bow hunting private land or state land that allows the harvest of does
Do a video on kull bucks some clubs let kulls walk and say we'll give them another year to grow , I say they give them another year to breed, they shoot all the small rack buck because they are club legal , and they all cry about not having big bucks on the club. The club I just left is full of 140 lbs and 150 lbs 4,5,6, point deer with no brow tines they shoot 125 lbs,130lbs 7 ,8, points with brow tines, after about 4 years I said I'm out
If we did a video on cull bucks, it would say "there is no such thing as a cull buck." Hunters of wild deer cannot manage genetics through harvest decisions. If you want to improve numbers of adult bucks in the population, set yourself a minimum target age class that is appropriate for your experience level and realistic for the deer population. Shoot bucks that meet your age goal. Pass those that don't. It's that easy. No need to complicate it with ideas about culling, which are largely false.
No time to watch the video, but from experience the second rut is caused by late season does coming back in heet that haven't been bread. Does begin to go into heet in late Oct, while the most in November. They cycle in and out monthly just a women do until they are bread or the cycles end in spring. The more does around that are in heet, the longer bucks will keep their antlers.
I am on 400 acres and the rule I follow is thaat I never shoot a doe for any reason.
I have enough people around me on more open property that shoot anything that walks and they take several doe each year, But they also dont get many bucks, especially older bucks.
On this farm with 21 cameras out this year I counted 9 doe including 4 fawn doe, BUT I counted for sure 13 different bucks and saw a few very small racked bucks and could not for sure say they were another buck to ad to the list. Of those 13 bucks, 5 were 10pts, 1 was 13 pts and 1 nice 8, 2 small 8s , a 9 that got killed by a car and the others smaller. That is a ratio of 2 to 1. Now my farm has areas up to 8 acres that have not been stepped into for up to 6 years and these areas are so thick, I dont see how a rabbit gets through these, with briars, buckthorn and bush honeysuckle. We have ag fields, and 5 food plots and 18 stands set up.
Each year I try to take a trophy buck and a buck that is older no matter the size of rack or what I call a cull, such as a 2.5 year old fork horn or horns that would not score 50 inches and it is clear the deer is 2.5.
It works for me, as in 10 years I have only seen 1 spike and have killed some very nice deer. This year was a 184 3/8 and a deer that was 6 year old 113 4/8 10pt and last year 160 2/8. So my advice is know what you have and what your neighbors have before you decide to clear out was doe.
Here in MN, bucks will run up to ten miles a day during the rut. The buck that comes by during the rut might have been hanging out several miles away before the rut started. The DNR put collars on a number of bucks to see how far they traveled. The bucks don't move a lot until the rut and then they run and run. Pretty eye opening.
There is one primary reason. That white tail
Great information, very informative 👍🇺🇸 GOD BLESS AMERICA 🇺🇸 The right to keep and bear arms shall not 🚫 be INFRINGED 💪🗽🇺🇸
Thanks for watching.
Yet we keep getting infringements left and right on all of our rights. Keep on keeping on I guess.
South Georgia has proven over & over except one year in twenty (2021). Rut occurred in November. My thoughts and beliefs Mother Nature is much smarter than men. Game experts learn from books, wrong go out into the fields and let Mother Nature teach, Same happens with Wild Turkey another subject to long to tell what I have seen and learn from Mother Nature.
HA HA AN ALMOST EVEN BUCK TO DOE RATIO NOT HERE IN WESTERN NY. I HAD A DEC DESK JOCKEY TELL ME I WAS WRONG ON MY BUCK TO DOE RATIO BECAUSE I DIDN'T COUNT BUTTON BUCKS. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE HAVE IN CHARGE OF OUR DEC IN NYS.
You wont even see the first rut in mississippi until dec 20 or so.
I bet in Uwharrie national forest in north Carolina the buck doe ratio is 4 to 1 or 5 to one..favoring bucks...every hunter can in north Carolina kill 4 does per year...theres no chance there is more does than bucks...the deer heard is very low
It's pretty difficult to achieve a ratio as bad as 5:1 in wild deer, but it can be done. Certainly, if a deer population is below what can be supported by local habitat, you shouldn't harvest many if any does until the population if healthy and growing again.
@@DeerAssociation I have hunted essentially every day since oct 15th...just late yesterday I saw my second doe of the year...since 2018 I have never seen a deer in December until this year..my first ever deer seen in December was sunday before last..a 200+ pound 8 point...killed him with a 12 gauge..I have seen about 4 does in 4 years hunting...I count a deer as in my stand or seeing a deer and can see my stand at the same time...and since 2018 I have seen 13 bucks..killing 6....when the deer heard is low the deer are very healthy and very big...this forest is only 50k acres and its obviously surrounded by private land and food crops..between baiting and crops the deer dont like living in the forest in the day time ..just a few months ago north Carolina changed the law to allow hunters to hunt on sundays..even then you can't hunt between 930am to 1230 pm...theres more deer in Winston-Salem where I live than in this forest
@@DeerAssociation I grew up in Florida hunting ocala national forest since 1978...since then they have only had 2 bow seasons where you can harvest does..no other legal does have been harvested except a two year span which by a random permit a doe could be taken on the last 2 days of the season..in 1989 and 1990...I drew one of the 20 permits in 1990...it was so valuable I traded it for a Thompson muzzle loader...deer heard is probably 5 to 7 to one favoring does
@@DeerAssociation in my region a private land hunter can kill 4 does from first day of bow till January 1st..January 1st is statewide last day of season....but in Uwharrie national forest does can only be taken until Friday after Thanksgiving...I never have had a chance in 4 years to take a doe...I much prefer doe meat...my 200 pounder had no smell of rut or testosterone what so ever
This is about as basic a reason for breeding does as you can get. Never is more than 80 percent breed first go around doe fawns key off their mothers to cycle and will always be at least 14 days later. Every single year in all areas there is 4 ruts. Here is okla there will be a hand full of does come in heat in feb
Once again we find two things screwing things up.
•Selfless people taking more than they should
•Government interfering
Harvest smarter with common sense and enjoy everything God Blessed is with.
Wow, a second rut? Even a bigger WOW is "When November is over and the rut is over!? Holly crap. Didn't you say you a wildlife somethingsuch? Hate to burst you're bubbles but there is only one rut. It starts as early as September and ends as late as February, March and even as late as JUNE! The only thing you got right is that when a doe doesn't get bred in November, too include all the other months, it is due to the buck to doe ratio. Bottom line, there is no second rut or 3 rut or 4th rut, etc. All doe do not all come into heat at the same time, this is Nature's way to ensure that the majority of doe do get bred ideally so that the fawns are born during the spring, March through May.
sry during bow season you can kill doe but only 2 for the year that just started this year used to during bow you could kill I think 2 a day 2 doe or a doe and a buck per day now its 3 bucks and 2 doe for the season...
There is no 2nd rut
Technically, you're right. There is only one annual "peak" for the whitetail rut in any location. "Second rut" is a term hunters use to describe late activity after the peak.
The whole Rut runs off a female's cycle and that tells me that nobody and I mean nobody understands female's so trying too wrap your head the rut is a waste of time 🤣🤣🤣🤣
well it also depends on how those deer identify and what their pronouns are.
Lol!!
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SECOND RUT. You would think that the National Deer Association would know that. 😂😂