Cylindrical Vs Conical: Lisa Beznosiuk on Flutes, Mahler, Wagner and Liszt
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Lisa Beznosiuk from the OAE talks about the flute parts in Mahler, Liszt, and Wagner, and the difference between the cylindrical and conical flute.
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I am not a musician but a music appreciator, but I listen to Madam Besnosiuk with pleasure and admiration. I hear her speak of Mahler and share her feelings, though I was not privileged to learn of him until I was much older than she was. She need not have been embarrassed as a girl. Mahler's combination of intensity and delicacy is undeniably thrilling.
I totally sympathize with the “love something as a teenager, get embarrassed by how into it you were years later” thing. I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s done that. And I look forward to reaching the sort of wise age at which I can turn around and say “You know what? Wicked is a decent musical with some awkward rhymes, and I’m gonna try to get into Doctor Who again.”
I am so happy to have come across this video, along with other members of the Orchestra of the Enlightenment. I am a keyboardist and so love learning the perspectives of other instrumentalists. We all hope to maintain the integrity of the composer's work, along with the historical accuracy of the era.
The "Ging heut' Morgen..." melody on the wooden conical flute at the beginning sounded startling! But it really does suit the rustic nature of the song.
@Gromit265 it's a Rudall & Rose (9keys with low B, rosewood)
I love her tone on the conical wooden flute.Thx for sharing!!
So glad folks shared this video. Seriously superb and enlightening - as you are.
Lovely, I'm having a go at listening to Mahler now :)
She taught at Boxwood Festival in 2009. What a beautiful player!! (Hi Lisa)
I play the renaissance and baroque flutes. 😊
Very very informative, thank you.
Beautiful and informative, thank you so much for uploading Lisa. I have been playing 8 keyed wooden flute for about ten years now (especially for Scottish and Irish traditional music) but I was wandering if you could be available for classes as I would like to improve my tecnique and my Baroque repertoire in particular. I have my current residence in Barcelona but could go up to London if the ocassion appears. Thank you so much again.
Is it me but is a lot of Mahler writing for the flute in an eerie lower register? Really enjoyed Mahler 4 with Maestro Fischer. Thank you
I think that’s why she described the “shimmering sound” Mahler achieves and, as a flutist, I can confidently say that the color of the lower notes in the range of the flute are full of color, more than the upper register. Of course, that lower register is difficult to achieve, but since Mahler was writing for professionals, that didn’t pose a problem!
@@voraciousreader3341 Thank you
Thank you very much for this video - what is the make of the English conical flute that Lisa is playing?
Why not spiral shape flute madam
Cool :)
Would Mahler have ever dealt with flutes that had a low Bb? I know at least Das Klagende Lied, one of the Wunderhorn songs, and the 6th symphony call for that note. I wonder about the low Db's for piccolo in the 3rd symphony and the C's in the 2nd and Lieder eines Fahrenden Gesellen, too. Did you have a piccolo with a low C for this performance of that last work?
Reply from Lisa Beznosiuk:
Yes, some German & Viennese flutes went down to Bb and A ....and even low G! My OAE colleague Neil McLaren plays this repertoire on a Zeigler flute from Vienna and it goes down to Bb.
No we didn't have a piccolo with low C - I think these instruments are extremely rare. I don't know of any. Piccolo experts out there might have some answers...
It's worth noting that Mahler was conducting various orchestras throughout Europe at the end of the 19th century and then, famously, in New York at the start of the 20th century. He would have heard and conducted flautists playing every sort of instrument - multi-keyed conical flutes ("simple system" ha-ha!), early conical wooden Boehm flutes, cylindrical wooden Boehm system, cylindrical silver Boehm flutes.
C flutes that play as low as altos...how odd!
I️ own a low C piccolo.
Wider vote in order to support such a taper, but indeed a low c.
I️ believe it’s a German instrument and indeed resembles instruments like that of Meyer
wish she be my teacher
And here I can’t stand listening to keys clacking on modern oboes...
if you think of it as being just part of the sound then you get used to it. it's like the street-traffic whizzing past a busker.
No one:
Flute playing a trill: *clacklacklacklacklacklack*
I play the gray flute
Lol
stan
I get the sense that we in the modern day chose a good keying system, but the worst possible physics for a flute: all metal, all cylindrical. Can we have conical flutes back?
You wouldn’t hear 2-3 conical flutes playing in the large sizes of current orchestras. And, as a flutist myself, I think solid silver flutes produce incredibly sweet music, and if you listen to Jean-Pierre Rampal, James Galway, and others, I don’t believe the physics isn’t working for the modern flute. You certainly have the ability produce many more colors of sound on the metal flutes than on wooden ones.
@@voraciousreader3341 considering how loud some Irish players play on modern day conical flutes (the best probably made by Patrick Olwell) - I'm not sure the advantage of the boehm flute is all that great in volume.
The Boehm flute is particularly boring!
Elephant guns ! Funny ya' 'no', them elephants bein' dead'n' all.
Seriously, how does one travel with ivory internationally? I can't even get tone(totally not) WOOD much less tone banned animal parts.
License, hoo gets um?
therugburnz
Musicians in the United States (can’t speak for anywhere else) can apply for certificate from the department of Fish and Wildlife allowing for the ‘reimport’ of instruments made from e.g., antique ivory. It’s kind of like a ‘passport’ for the instrument ...
Thanx man I didn't know the had a solution to the Tone problem.