I have not found absolute confirmation that death is treated as debuff, unless someone datamines the code or formula (if you have a source, please do share. that would be interesting). I'll play it safe for now.
@@reinhart31 Another factor is when the NP of Old Man is over charged, so if you had the other servants' NP ready, it could kill the opponent without dealing damage. Another factor is when the enemy's charge is red. When I faced Beast II at the beginning of this month, using him as a support, every mob that had full charge, Azreal would kill instantly without dealing damage and this was without the NP chain.
@@philiptombe5708 About the second point, that one only works because all Lahmus get high death chances on that node specifically, which is why gramps could kill anytime, even with normal attacks. To my knowledge the enemy's bars make no difference in death chances.
@@sh0dok Ah. I understand. I was just putting out the possibilities since I started fgo in February. But I do want to add to your point with overcharge. Jing Ke, my assassin, has an np lvl of 5. She got an instant death with no damage against a rider mob with only a 115% overcharge. So your point further convices me that class affinity of effective and overcharge are key factors. Thank you for stating the reason.
I believe Gramps Instant death is calculated after damage unlike saber Shiki Because the same thing happens to my Arjuna, his NP does damage and the Death message also appears in case Death triggers.. unlike Shiki and Erice where damage isn't done if Death triggered
True. That would mean, damage would still be dealt if instant kill is not triggered. As to Saber Shiki and Erice (who both I do not have), I am not sure what happens if they miss. Probably just a different sequence of "if IK, then ignore dmg. if no IK, dmg." Whereas others would be "dmg, then calc IK."
@@reinhart31 I'm pretty sure it's to prevent Erice from looping easily Since the hits are not counted in case the 20% death chance triggers and she doesn't get NP refund
@@reinhart31 on point. Your chances of winning just by using decently-invested low rarity servants is WAY more reliable than using a team comp designed for Insta-Kill.
so essentially, any skill that gives death success up isn't gonna do much in most situations and is essentially useless y did they have to do shiki's bond ce like that ;-;
Bosses have high resistance to instant death but not impossible. I recall a clip somewhere of OG Cu IK Ibaraki in her raid event. Regardless, you have better chances of getting banner SSR than that happening.
This is POV so read it all Arjuna has a kill rate of 50% in his NP ok, against Divinity servants is 80% ok King hassan 3rd skill reduce death ressist by 100% in lvl 10 ok, also it has a 6 turn coldown and with the upcoming update for Arjuna 2nd skill Hero of the endowed A+ it grants over 25% np, 10% np each turn and also he has 3 Arts cards so he can charge it very fast, if we use Arjuna NP alongside Gramps 3rd skill we get a *OVER 150% DEATH CHANCE IN EVERY LIFEFORM IN THE BATTLEFIELD!* Not only 1 or 2 but THE ENTIRE ENEMY PARTY WOW! let me tell you this, Arjuna has a Buster NP, Hassan also has one, Arjuna charges his NP as easier as eating bread, his second skill gives 10% np for 5 turns, that means that we get over 50% np when the 5 turns ends, and also gets C. Stars and Heal himself so he is quite hard to kill, that means that there is no single lifeform that can escape from these two when they team up, aaaand also, Hassan 3rd skill is AOE and Arjuna np is ALSO AOE (with a def down enemy debuff) so in the already impossible possibility the enemy survives, Hassan can or more often WILL SLAUGHTER THE LAST ENEMY WITH A SINGLE SWING OF HIS BLADE "AZRAEL" *or just with a normal hit, that can also happen*
Pff. King Hassan is nothing compared to David in terms of bringing instant death. ua-cam.com/video/qoa61N5cTyw/v-deo.html JK. Still tho, that level 10 bond CE...and that NP... Seriously, give him A+ rank strength and he's simply gonna steamroll through any holy grail war by yeeting the Ark around, like Heracles swings that rock sword of his, lmao
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I thought about this since I saw their skills the first time, but I don't have any of those servants, and also I would need to bond them to 10 so...
this was quite a long term project, and had my shiki and cursed arm on lineup always. then i saw someone with bond 10 shiki and this video was born.
You forgot one thing is that his debuff resistance actually increase inflict death to enemy
I have not found absolute confirmation that death is treated as debuff, unless someone datamines the code or formula (if you have a source, please do share. that would be interesting). I'll play it safe for now.
@@reinhart31 I mean it would be because you're applying a status debuff to an enemy
@@reinhart31 Another factor is when the NP of Old Man is over charged, so if you had the other servants' NP ready, it could kill the opponent without dealing damage.
Another factor is when the enemy's charge is red. When I faced Beast II at the beginning of this month, using him as a support, every mob that had full charge, Azreal would kill instantly without dealing damage and this was without the NP chain.
@@philiptombe5708 About the second point, that one only works because all Lahmus get high death chances on that node specifically, which is why gramps could kill anytime, even with normal attacks.
To my knowledge the enemy's bars make no difference in death chances.
@@sh0dok Ah. I understand. I was just putting out the possibilities since I started fgo in February. But I do want to add to your point with overcharge. Jing Ke, my assassin, has an np lvl of 5. She got an instant death with no damage against a rider mob with only a 115% overcharge. So your point further convices me that class affinity of effective and overcharge are key factors. Thank you for stating the reason.
"What doesn't instant kill you will hurt you real bad"~
Huh. That's interesting indeed.
I believe Gramps Instant death is calculated after damage unlike saber Shiki
Because the same thing happens to my Arjuna, his NP does damage and the Death message also appears in case Death triggers.. unlike Shiki and Erice where damage isn't done if Death triggered
True. That would mean, damage would still be dealt if instant kill is not triggered. As to Saber Shiki and Erice (who both I do not have), I am not sure what happens if they miss. Probably just a different sequence of "if IK, then ignore dmg. if no IK, dmg." Whereas others would be "dmg, then calc IK."
@@reinhart31 I'm pretty sure it's to prevent Erice from looping easily
Since the hits are not counted in case the 20% death chance triggers and she doesn't get NP refund
You have to check if it deals the damage first or the death triggers first, can be seen when u click on the servant
@@sanjeevsinghrajput5593 would be gr8 if nito assassin could hit first before id
At 2:15 the Buster crit is quite expected, given you're an Assassin and the chain was lead by an Arts card.
bosses have higher debuff resist i dont think this can be abused on an event like the raid we did
I don't think Death is useful at all. Probably farming weak enemies but usually there are better alternatives.
@@reinhart31 on point. Your chances of winning just by using decently-invested low rarity servants is WAY more reliable than using a team comp designed for Insta-Kill.
Woah thanks for the advice
Pretty interesting!
Glad you think so!
i dont remember what boss of the first singularity i got with a death using cu it was epic
true to the lore
so essentially, any skill that gives death success up isn't gonna do much in most situations and is essentially useless
y did they have to do shiki's bond ce like that ;-;
instakill is just for fun and to flex when it occurs.
wait, I thought that in order to count as "instant death" you had to actually get the Death message popping out instead of inflicting damage
it's weird, i don't understand it either. but if it works, it works.
Sokoda ... DOKODA!?
You should try to do this with a boss and see if you can instant death a boss
Bosses have high resistance to instant death but not impossible. I recall a clip somewhere of OG Cu IK Ibaraki in her raid event. Regardless, you have better chances of getting banner SSR than that happening.
This is POV so read it all
Arjuna has a kill rate of 50% in his NP ok, against Divinity servants is 80% ok
King hassan 3rd skill reduce death ressist by 100% in lvl 10 ok, also it has a 6 turn coldown and with the upcoming update for Arjuna 2nd skill Hero of the endowed A+ it grants over 25% np, 10% np each turn and also he has 3 Arts cards so he can charge it very fast, if we use Arjuna NP alongside Gramps 3rd skill we get a *OVER 150% DEATH CHANCE IN EVERY LIFEFORM IN THE BATTLEFIELD!* Not only 1 or 2 but THE ENTIRE ENEMY PARTY WOW!
let me tell you this, Arjuna has a Buster NP, Hassan also has one, Arjuna charges his NP as easier as eating bread, his second skill gives 10% np for 5 turns, that means that we get over 50% np when the 5 turns ends, and also gets C. Stars and Heal himself so he is quite hard to kill, that means that there is no single lifeform that can escape from these two when they team up, aaaand also, Hassan 3rd skill is AOE and Arjuna np is ALSO AOE (with a def down enemy debuff) so in the already impossible possibility the enemy survives, Hassan can or more often WILL SLAUGHTER THE LAST ENEMY WITH A SINGLE SWING OF HIS BLADE "AZRAEL" *or just with a normal hit, that can also happen*
The problem is that 150% is nothing when the full Instant-Death rate is 500%
@@dettome then just use a bond 10 ce ryou shiki to max that
Arjuna + Hassan + Two Shikis sounds fun
One time insta death’d a huge dog(lobo)
Too bad it was on his first bar...
That's rarer than getting a banner SSR jk
Hold on, Double Shiki affects David Bond CE of death on hit?
Yes, any attack with instant kill is affected by Bond 10 Shiki Assassin CE. Normal attacks of David with his Bond 10 CE included.
I used an instant dead of King Hassan on king Protea lol
Neat. You captured it on video or anything?
@@reinhart31 no I don't but I did it with more than 30 turn. The quest was in CCC event. I used King Hassan , Double Shiki and Enkidu np5.
@@hxd6040 that would be something nice to see
Pff. King Hassan is nothing compared to David in terms of bringing instant death.
ua-cam.com/video/qoa61N5cTyw/v-deo.html
JK. Still tho, that level 10 bond CE...and that NP...
Seriously, give him A+ rank strength and he's simply gonna steamroll through any holy grail war by yeeting the Ark around, like Heracles swings that rock sword of his, lmao
Wait so Black grail doesn’t increase my death rate to the enemy? Just the np damage ?
Yeah. I don't recall the description mentioning anything about death rate. Though chances are, the enemy may die first before you trigger Death.
Don't bro...
Don't give them ideas...
But I already did lol. Either way I think the insta-kill on normal attack is a just-for-fun feature but not to be incorporated in serious gameplay.