@tamzidmohsinkhan3333 and wwe act like it was the 4 horse woman who did it. They never mention AJ, Emma, Paige, Gail Kim, Victoria, Jazz. I love the 4 horse women but wwe act like it was only them, Trish & Lita
AJ mentioned that Vince asked her to write that pipebomb shell promo, which was incredibly rare since Vince hardly ever gives anyone full creative control on the mic. Nobody even knew she had a segment planned lol she shared that she had to let the production team know just minutes before going live that she was about to cut a promo LMAO AJ truly nailed it, she always stayed true to herself and her beliefs. She even called out Stephanie McMahon for real, and it was so iconic LMAOOO
@@Pi26267aI don’t they got a long but he trusted her with being the face of the divas at the time. She spoke about he punished her and at times felt she was at odds with him especially about her character
@@Pi26267a well no. She was kept off tv or embrassed multiple times and sometimes forced to say or do things she wasn’t comfortable with. And almost any person who got pushed a good relationship with Vince 🙄. Even though most of them hate him
She literaly confronted Vince and the bookers years before the women's revolution was a thing!! Gail Kim is not a sucker, she is a legend in and outside of the ring
Gail casually eliminating herself and further proving her point about how little they cared for the women. Beautiful. Also didn’t Melina also leave right after that?
AJ was not wrong, but Vince and AJ did come up with this promo together. She discussed at a book signing in Austin in 2017 or 2018 I can’t remember. AJ did something the other women couldn’t do. Get the wrestling community talking.
(Dis)Honorable Mentions: -Harvey Wippleman winning the WWF Women’s Championship under the guise of “Hervina” -Zelina Vega being briefly fired for tweeting her pro-union views for wrestling talent -Santina Marella winning the Miss Wrestlemania Battle Royale
That whole battle royal was such a big embarrassment to the entire women's division and it showed how little they cared about the division. Those women get eliminated so quickly you wouldn't even know who is who and also there was no storyline involved.
Has wwe evevr cared about their female legends ever? Except Trish? Mickie receiving her belongings in a trash bag after being such a big name in and out of wwe shows how little to no they cared about women out there. Lita has still not gotten the proper retirement that icon deserves.
A controversial moment that wasn’t mentioned that should’ve been imo is the 2009 Miss WrestleMania Battle Royal. That match was the defining low point of the “Divas Era”. When I think of “Divas Era”, I think of THAT match. 1. The women get no true storyline and are thrown together in a meaningless match (i.e. battle royal/lumberjill match). 2. None of the women get a proper entrance and instead come out to Kid Rock. 3. Many women get eliminated so early in the match you can’t tell who was who. 4. Santino Marella in drag ended up winning the battle royal. I was so furious watching and didn’t want to watch the rest of the show. A complete waste of time and a prime example of how the WWE at the time thought of the women, as complete jokes. I’m glad we’ve moved past that in the current era.
Let's never speak of that moment ever again, shall we?! That and Santino Murrello in drag took up a numbered spot at the Women's Royal Rumble match in 2020.
Completely Agree. I was actually there live and that was my first EVER wrestling event I attended. It was bullshit and I haven't been to a wrestling show since.
@@xgray2012 I actually enjoyed Santino in the Royal Rumble. I find it kind of odd that when a man enters the Women's Rumble he gets shitted on but when countless women enter the men's Rumble she gets praised. I hated watching Nia, Beth,and Kharma in the men's Rumble. I think that the men should wrestle men & women wrestle women.
Honestly Wendi Richter going to a match without knowing who was her opponent until she got in the ring with THE MOOLAH🤢 Queen was robbed in every single way. Vince was lucky that Social Media didnt exist in the day😡
There was a Spider Lady wrestler that wasn't Moolah. I believe Wendi thought she was wrestling the original Spider Lady and then found out when she got to the ring it was obviously Moolah.
The problem with the Trish Dog barking segment was the fact that it was during the Attitude Era and the crowd who was supposed to boo Vince for degrading Trish, were cheering because they were College guys wanting to see a hot Girl in her underwear
I struggle with Sasha and Naomi leaving as being controversial. Controversial has such a negative connotation but what they did was for the best for them, and honestly made a statement that needed to be made. I would say heroic is a better word
I think "controversial" can have both positive and negative meanings. If you think about it some of the most revolutionary people in history were considered "controversial" in their time. Because to move forward sometimes we have to face negative realities and get uncomfortable.
-A.J Lee was just telling the truth about the company. Like her husband CM Punk did two years earlier. These controversial moments should be on the list: -Lita's last match and the segment with Cryme Tyme is so sad and disgusting. -The Wrestlemania 25 battle royal match was a punch in the guts to the women's division when the match was won by Santino Marella in drag. -Every bra&panties matches and strip down matches.
I honestly liked the Piggie James storylines. It helped raise awareness to bullying and that it is not just in schools but in the workplace. It also showed young viewers like myself at the time that u are never alone when bullying happens because there are people in the world who have experienced the same thing
Honestly, that segment has aged poorly just like a lot of AJ’s material. Her character is the textbook definition of being a pick me and internalized misogyny.
@MusicChannel1738 Your take has been asinine asf and you never say anything of value. You even contradict yourself several times and this comment section is proof of that. Do better or get out of the way.
need more top 10 moments like this in the future! such a good way to throwback since the "what happend in women's wrestling at 2010 etc" probably will never coming back anytime soon:")
The Piggie James storyline definitely could not happen today. People would not have it. To me though it made me cheer Mickie James so much when she ended Michelle and Layla during the Royal Rumble 2010! Even though Michelle won the title back, Mickie still won the feud cause in the Royal Rumble 2022 she eliminated Michelle as the Impact Knockouts Champion! To think both Royal Rumble 2010 and 2022 Mickie James came out on top of Michelle and as Champion! YES💛☀💫YES💛☀💫YES💛☀💫
It can't happen because somehow viewers and critics (and even some wrestlers) treat professional wrestling to a different standard. You wouldn't see the same criticism to books and movies like Mean Girls or other feminist content about bullying and stereotyping women. Most of them are way worse than Piggie James. All of it is just storytelling, some maybe more introspective than others, and actresses probably also feel uncomfortable taking part in telling those stories. But somehow wrestling writers and bookers are "abusive" or "tone-deaf" when trying the same storylines.
12:38 That basically confirms how toxic Vince and Johnny really were, because as soon as Vince had to fully fully resign and Johnny got let go, Naomi was back in WWE FAST!
To answer your question about “who was in the right” regarding the pipe bomb. No one was right or wrong. AJ was asked to cut a heel promo and a large portion of fans agreed with her. The cast was upset with the content which is also valid since she was publicly voicing long term frustrations fans discussed. Like it can’t feel good. Long term, I personally think it drew a lot of attention to the possibilities women’s wrestling could have in WWE.
AJ was absolutely on the money with her pipe bombshell. Total Divas was good for its time, but I personally lost interest after a while. And even before then, it just came off as "extra" to me, to which AJ debunked in her own way very effectively.
For me, in the AJ pipebomb, when the Bella's are screaming "Say it to our face" I think they're talking about more like "Say it out of the character" or "Go back there and tell us in front, face to face" mostly cause AJ was written that segment and they didn't expected to be so, savage. Idk, it's kinda like the thing I got it.
I'm convinced that Sasha and Naomi's walkout had something to do with either racism or sexism (they were probably called some slurs) because 2 women who had been in that company for 10+ years do not walk out over a "creative dispute"
Gail Kim self elimination is a political movement for me!! It was her way to show How unhappy she was with the divas treatment and she wasn't afraid to speak her mind, when everybody Else was afraid of showing their real feelings about the women's division!! That IS one of the moves that helped the womens revolution in my eyes
Does the Alexa Bliss vs Bayley, Kendo Stick on a pole match count as controversial? It buried the Hugger character and Bayley wasn't able to fully recover until her heel turn years later.
Vince and creative were 1000% at fault for that. What were they thinking, they set Bayley up to fail at the time of her career. Removing any edge that she had especially when she had more gritt when she was in NXT and they made her complete joke.
@@RingTheBellealso the “This is your life” segment from Alexa Bliss to Bayley. That also really derailed Bayley’s character as well. Was probably one of the worst segments from the women during the time. 😅
100% team AJ. She wanted a serious women's division. And although yes Total Divas was iconic and brung in a lot of female & gay viewers but instead of wwe giving women time on tv they gave a reality show. And most of them were hired for their looks instead of their wrestling ability. (Not to say Naomi, Cameron and the Bellas aren't talented wrestlers but they were hired for their looks and later became something more) im not a fan of the divas era besides from some moments like The AJ Kaitlyn Feud, NXT divas era, AJ Paige Storyline.
This is 💯 percent true because the Bella Twins actually admitted that WWE specifically Johnny Ace hired them because they were twins & Eva was hired because she auditioned for Total Divas not because she could wrestle.
@MusicChanneI1738 huh? Because she wants women's wrestling to be equal and respected she's misogynistic? And not have women hired based only on their looks
@@kennymessias1928trying to slxt shame people while simultaneously getting popular off the cot tails of the most popular men in her era as well as dating high profile men before and after her debut is hypocritical in itself.. it’s easy to say these girls were only hired for their looks when wwe is only really investing in one person while leaving the others high and dry with lack luster storylines or none at all.
The Piggy James Storyline Was So Awful And Disrespectful And Although Mickie James Did Won The Title At Royal Rumble 2010 But 23 Days Later She Lost It Back To Michelle McCool Thanks To The Annoying And Loudmouth Vickie Guerrero And Never Won It Back The Bianca Belair 26 Second Loss Was OK It Helped Established Becky Lynch As A REAL Heel (Unlike Her Failed 2018 Heel Turn) And Seeing Bianca Belair Getting Her Revenge At Wrestlemania After So Many Obstacles, Twists And Turns Was Really Satisfying The AJ Lee Pipebomb Was Obviously An Desperate Attempt Of Her To Stay On The Spotlight Since Her Title Reign Had Became Irrelevant, Stale And Boring By That Time
Stone Cold beating Lita with a steel chair was quite shocking. I loved it because Lita is awesome and she got to play a big part of that whole angle, but its still a striking (no pun intended) visual and would never fly today.
It's kind of weird how people are pushed to get the title and then as soon as they get it people are screaming for someone new to have it.. or just because they've won the title before its like they are expected to put over someone else or they are turned on
I think these were some kind of controversial moments as welll- 1, the beef of twins and mother maryse I wanna know everything about that . 2, when Cameron was supposed to return in 2022 but Ronda clocked Sasha by winning rumble and Cameron never came back 😢 3, the beef of mother Michelle and Beth phoenix …let’s talk about itttt ☕️☕️
Here’s what I know. Maryse, Kelly, and Maria exposed the Bellas for allegedly stopping them from coming back to the WWE. Maryse made her return in 2016 to the company as well as joining Total Divas, and that’s what led to the big confrontation they had on the show. As far as Michelle and Beth, it’s been rumored that Michelle got big headed after entering a relationship with Undertaker, so Beth felt like she needed to be humbled.
The Becky/Bianca 26 seconds was brilliantly booked, and Bianca is absolutely one of my favourite wrestlers of all time (even then). The outrage was exactly what they were going for. If Becky had won after a 15/20 minute match (even if she still cheated at the end), it would have seriously lessened the "robbed" sympathy for Bianca. It was a designed heel turn at that moment and instantly propelled Bianca in the road to being a top babyface in the company. "Let it play out" has often been used only to thej disappoint, or to deflect criticism. But this really was a "let it play out" even if people had no patience for it at the start. A story designed to strap the rocket to Bianca, right from the monent Becky walked out on stage at Summerslam.
Absolutely it was. I remember bring FURIOUS when Becky won but looking back, if Becky had won in a 15/20 match, it would have made Bianca look weak since Becky hadn’t been in action for 18 months up until that point. Thus it made sense for Becky to play dirty and beat Bianca in 26 seconds to get Bianca SO OVER and give her her redeeming moment at WrestleMania
I don’t think that was necessarily controversial, more so an uprising of fans who wanted women to receive better opportunities. It would be controversial if there were 2 heavily opposing sides, which there really wasn’t since it was pretty obvious which side was in the right
I feel like the Piggy James storyline was too far only because it went on for too long, a combination of the BAS campaign, AND at this same time, we were suppose to cheer people for fat-shaming Vickie.
DS you killed it with this list!!! The Sable vs Debra Evening Gown Match was also a controversial moment in Women’s Wrestling history! Sable at that time was on her way out of the company and she didn’t want to let go of the belt so they did her dirty and made her lose the title to Debra
Another honorable mention should be when Debra was Awarded the Women’s Championship from Sable even though Sable had already won the evening gown match. It was so cringe and awkward and Sable wore sunglasses the entire time and you could tell she was visibly mad. And she legit tried to take Debra’s clothing off.
Oh yeah, I remember that. It was another Vince getting a title off a talent fiasco. I was surprised that Debra won the title. Back then they were letting any girl or man win the women’s title. Besides Debra, including Miss Kitty/The Kat and Harvey Wippleman. I like Debra but she was not champion material. At least she only held the title for one month before dropping it to Ivory.
@@EX1515 Debra was the it girl at the time, and I thought it was fine she had the title at the time even though she wasn’t a wrestler. She still worked hard as a manager and was very over at the time. And she only had it for a month and lost it to a wrestler which is honestly legitimate. The only downside was that Ivory/Moolah fued was 💩. Miss Kitty being champion was garbage.
I just want to point out that , you got one thing wrong on this list. Mickie James didn't win the feud... She actually lost the title less than a month later (23 days) back to Michelle and never got it back. There are a lot of moments that are kind of crazy when you think about it like this. Like Becky eventually losing the smackdown title to Charlotte after fighting over it for a year before moving on or Alexa Bliss ultimately winning the feud against Nia Jax after the "feel good" moment of WM. We remember the feel-good moments but not what actually happened at the end of the feuds 😅
i think aj did a great job with her pipebomb, it got people talking!! i also think that the cast of total divas will forever be put down because of it though… those girls worked their asses off and no one will ever care to notice.
I agree w/ the pipe bomb being great. I don't think that the cast of Total Divas will be put down. I think the cast of Total Divas will be remembered fondly & there are so many women wrestlers now that are inspired by Aj Lee & the cast of Total Divas. Roxanne Perez & Cora Jade being inspired by Aj Lee & women like Maxine Dupri being inspired by The cast of Total Divas.
tbh I love that Lana is the sole survivor, after those table storyline she actually kinda perfect person who should be the sole, and the way that she just standing on iron steps tho😂
I remember an interview with past women superstars and Michelle saying her and Layla hated that storyline. I really commend mickie for just taking it and making it amazing.
So about the Wendi Richter screw job according to Vince McMahon himself in his Netflix series he did that because Wendi was unprofessional & did not want to drop the championship & He claimed that she was difficult to work with. He told Wendi that she's dropping the title & Wendi defiantly said that she wasn't & Vince said Oh yes you are. Then he went behind her back & plotted the whole thing.
I don’t think that was necessarily controversial, more so an uprising of fans who wanted women to receive better opportunities. It would be controversial if there were 2 heavily opposing sides, which there really wasn’t since it was pretty obvious which side was in the right
a few controversial moments i think of involve lita, like her storyline with Kane, Matt, and Snitsky, the wedding and the pregnancy and all that or how in her last match, she got humiliated by cryme tyme
I know the "Bark Like a Dog" segment didn't age well, but I'm a bit glad it happened because It made me like Trish more and want to root for her more like directly after. She was like one of the top people in WWE after that segment happened.
AJ Lee was in the right and the Bella twins are hypocrites as if they didn’t make trans phobic comments about Chyna the same year this promo took place a month before this
Honestly this is a GREAT Top 10 list. I would have moved # up to #3, and just bumped everyone down 1 spot, but that's it. I think the rest of this list is as close to perfect as a list that ANYONE could have made. 11/10
You know what, people, the one with Becky and Bianca worked as intended. Becky was returning as a heel while Bianca was the biggest face of the Women's Division at the time. Not only was Becky able to get heat out of it, but it strengthened the support behind Bianca. So, the 26-second Summerslam match was a smart move
11:50 I’ve seen that a lot on a lot of wrestling websites like NoDQ and Jonathan Coachman’s podcast, Jim Cornette’s UA-cam channel, or amongst men who are in general hostile to Mercedes in particular because they think she sucks in the ring and is too confident. The amount of hate she gets mostly from men who don’t think too highly of women in general, unless they’re Charlotte or Rhea Ripley, is unreal.
Yeah, that should not be over Original Screwjob. Gail was just a subtle walkout that only Diva fans noticed as we decried how bad the division already had it. O.S. should be at least as high as Madusa Trashcan because both severely affected how the women's division went. Historians would actually write these down. But the shock factor is all the way back in the 80s, the "you had to be there" energy is lone gone. O.S. was in Moolah's Dark Side of the Ring episode - aka nothing but controversy.
I agree with your number 2 but your number 1 is wrong. The AJ bombshell was scripted but Shasha and Naomi walking out was real. The rest of the list is spot on. Love your videos
🤷 look at the comment section people are STILL fighting over who was in the right for the Pipebombshell promo. I think women’s wrestling fans overwhelmingly support Sasha ans Naomi for the walkout especially by now.
I don't get Gail and Melina's elimination. Don't you get eliminated if and only both feet touch the ground after you fall from top rope? Both never went over the top rope...how were they eliminated?
The Piggy James storyline, I thought, was brilliant. Women critiquing / hating on other women is a big issue and I’m glad WWE highlighted it! But, having Mickie lose the title back to Michelle two weeks later was a stupid decision. Lita’s mistreatment / being overly sexualised after years of breaking down barriers as a high flying risk taker was disgusting! I take AJ’s side with the Total Divas feud. Granted, she may have gone a little too far, but also the other ladies coulda handled things differently. If they worked WITH AJ behind the scenes, rather than against her, they coulda really made something of that storyline
I think the pipebomb had both good and bad effects. The good was that fans started to express wanting more for the womens division, which is valid because they really did deserve more. The bad was that a lot of people seemed to equate the divas to the ring personas they played as if they were perpetuing the poor image they had, as if they all just weren't doing their jobs and working with the scraps WWE gave them. Aj is praised for the pipebomb because she had control of the narrative. In reality everyone in that locker room probably felt the same way Aj and the fans felt, they just weren't behind the mic to say it. So essentially, no one is right or wrong in the situation.
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One thing I LOVED was when AJ Lee called out Stephanie over twitter. That was some juicy stuff lol.
Yessss was subtle move and definitely got her in ALOT of trouble. Gotta respect her
And that was when WWE started to take its Women division more seriously
What did she say?
Also TNA deserves more credit to that for having its strong Women division in first place before WWE did
@tamzidmohsinkhan3333 and wwe act like it was the 4 horse woman who did it. They never mention AJ, Emma, Paige, Gail Kim, Victoria, Jazz. I love the 4 horse women but wwe act like it was only them, Trish & Lita
AJ mentioned that Vince asked her to write that pipebomb shell promo, which was incredibly rare since Vince hardly ever gives anyone full creative control on the mic. Nobody even knew she had a segment planned lol she shared that she had to let the production team know just minutes before going live that she was about to cut a promo LMAO AJ truly nailed it, she always stayed true to herself and her beliefs. She even called out Stephanie McMahon for real, and it was so iconic LMAOOO
@@aliciafoxxxy7943 if she got along with Vince… that speaks volumes about her lol not in the best way IMO
@@Pi26267aI don’t they got a long but he trusted her with being the face of the divas at the time. She spoke about he punished her and at times felt she was at odds with him especially about her character
@@Samirdelrock got punished how? With the longest title reign in her time? With having creative freedom to write a promo? come on 🤣 lol
@@Pi26267a well no. She was kept off tv or embrassed multiple times and sometimes forced to say or do things she wasn’t comfortable with. And almost any person who got pushed a good relationship with Vince 🙄. Even though most of them hate him
What’s a pipebomb shell?!
I’ll always love Gail Kim’s self elimination 😂 We all knew why she did it.
Right! LOL sis didn't even have to explain.
She literaly confronted Vince and the bookers years before the women's revolution was a thing!! Gail Kim is not a sucker, she is a legend in and outside of the ring
Gail casually eliminating herself and further proving her point about how little they cared for the women. Beautiful. Also didn’t Melina also leave right after that?
Yup. And it’s so funny to me because Melina apparently had some drama with the company too. Besties for a reason😂
AJ was not wrong, but Vince and AJ did come up with this promo together. She discussed at a book signing in Austin in 2017 or 2018 I can’t remember. AJ did something the other women couldn’t do. Get the wrestling community talking.
Mickie James receiving her property in a trash bag upon her WWE release was controversial
😢❤mickie jamies dident deserved
😢❤miss her cant wait for mickie to return
(Dis)Honorable Mentions:
-Harvey Wippleman winning the WWF Women’s Championship under the guise of “Hervina”
-Zelina Vega being briefly fired for tweeting her pro-union views for wrestling talent
-Santina Marella winning the Miss Wrestlemania Battle Royale
That whole battle royal was such a big embarrassment to the entire women's division and it showed how little they cared about the division. Those women get eliminated so quickly you wouldn't even know who is who and also there was no storyline involved.
@@PrinceK-dm3xsLayla got eliminated as the ring announcer started saying “The following contest is the Miss Wrestlemania Battle Royal”
Lita's retirement was awful. The disrespect towards a legend like Lita.
Her pipebomb that she delivered after defeating Mickie in a match before Survivor Series lives in my head rent free.
Has wwe evevr cared about their female legends ever? Except Trish? Mickie receiving her belongings in a trash bag after being such a big name in and out of wwe shows how little to no they cared about women out there. Lita has still not gotten the proper retirement that icon deserves.
😮yea agreed to mickie jamies 😢❤
A controversial moment that wasn’t mentioned that should’ve been imo is the 2009 Miss WrestleMania Battle Royal.
That match was the defining low point of the “Divas Era”. When I think of “Divas Era”, I think of THAT match.
1. The women get no true storyline and are thrown together in a meaningless match (i.e. battle royal/lumberjill match).
2. None of the women get a proper entrance and instead come out to Kid Rock.
3. Many women get eliminated so early in the match you can’t tell who was who.
4. Santino Marella in drag ended up winning the battle royal.
I was so furious watching and didn’t want to watch the rest of the show. A complete waste of time and a prime example of how the WWE at the time thought of the women, as complete jokes. I’m glad we’ve moved past that in the current era.
Youre right .
You told no lies.
Let's never speak of that moment ever again, shall we?! That and Santino Murrello in drag took up a numbered spot at the Women's Royal Rumble match in 2020.
Completely Agree. I was actually there live and that was my first EVER wrestling event I attended. It was bullshit and I haven't been to a wrestling show since.
@@xgray2012 I actually enjoyed Santino in the Royal Rumble. I find it kind of odd that when a man enters the Women's Rumble he gets shitted on but when countless women enter the men's Rumble she gets praised. I hated watching Nia, Beth,and Kharma in the men's Rumble. I think that the men should wrestle men & women wrestle women.
Honestly Wendi Richter going to a match without knowing who was her opponent until she got in the ring with THE MOOLAH🤢 Queen was robbed in every single way. Vince was lucky that Social Media didnt exist in the day😡
There was a Spider Lady wrestler that wasn't Moolah. I believe Wendi thought she was wrestling the original Spider Lady and then found out when she got to the ring it was obviously Moolah.
Wendy wanting to fight moolah for reals was so funny to me. She told a promoter she'd work for free just to beat moolah's ass
LMAOO really? This is hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
That was so funny!
Even in that match, you could tell that she realized it was Moolah and she was trying not to have for her shoulders on the mat.
The problem with the Trish Dog barking segment was the fact that it was during the Attitude Era and the crowd who was supposed to boo Vince for degrading Trish, were cheering because they were College guys wanting to see a hot Girl in her underwear
😮we all.know vince was always jack ass johnrilley.
I struggle with Sasha and Naomi leaving as being controversial. Controversial has such a negative connotation but what they did was for the best for them, and honestly made a statement that needed to be made. I would say heroic is a better word
I think "controversial" can have both positive and negative meanings. If you think about it some of the most revolutionary people in history were considered "controversial" in their time. Because to move forward sometimes we have to face negative realities and get uncomfortable.
-A.J Lee was just telling the truth about the company. Like her husband CM Punk did two years earlier.
These controversial moments should be on the list:
-Lita's last match and the segment with Cryme Tyme is so sad and disgusting.
-The Wrestlemania 25 battle royal match was a punch in the guts to the women's division when the match was won by Santino Marella in drag.
-Every bra&panties matches and strip down matches.
I honestly liked the Piggie James storylines. It helped raise awareness to bullying and that it is not just in schools but in the workplace. It also showed young viewers like myself at the time that u are never alone when bullying happens because there are people in the world who have experienced the same thing
The best was when AJ Lee told the Bella Twins that talent isn't s*xually transmitted. 😄😂🤣
Honestly, that segment has aged poorly just like a lot of AJ’s material. Her character is the textbook definition of being a pick me and internalized misogyny.
@MusicChannel1738 Your take has been asinine asf and you never say anything of value. You even contradict yourself several times and this comment section is proof of that. Do better or get out of the way.
@MusicChanneI1738 yeah I never really liked her lol
@@MusicChanneI1738You're an embarrassment. I can see you're still talking nonsense.
I love that moment beacause the Bella’s were dating John and Bryan at the time. Well Brie is still with Bryan.
Aj told it like it was, I forever love her for calling out the terrible state of womens wrestling at the time
Mickie James 2nd release and receiving her personal items in a trash bag was f’d up
need more top 10 moments like this in the future! such a good way to throwback since the "what happend in women's wrestling at 2010 etc" probably will never coming back anytime soon:")
glad you like it! We’re planning to do more of these!
@@RingTheBelle OMG YESSS!
The Piggie James storyline definitely could not happen today. People would not have it. To me though it made me cheer Mickie James so much when she ended Michelle and Layla during the Royal Rumble 2010! Even though Michelle won the title back, Mickie still won the feud cause in the Royal Rumble 2022 she eliminated Michelle as the Impact Knockouts Champion! To think both Royal Rumble 2010 and 2022 Mickie James came out on top of Michelle and as Champion! YES💛☀💫YES💛☀💫YES💛☀💫
It can't happen because somehow viewers and critics (and even some wrestlers) treat professional wrestling to a different standard. You wouldn't see the same criticism to books and movies like Mean Girls or other feminist content about bullying and stereotyping women. Most of them are way worse than Piggie James. All of it is just storytelling, some maybe more introspective than others, and actresses probably also feel uncomfortable taking part in telling those stories. But somehow wrestling writers and bookers are "abusive" or "tone-deaf" when trying the same storylines.
12:38 That basically confirms how toxic Vince and Johnny really were, because as soon as Vince had to fully fully resign and Johnny got let go, Naomi was back in WWE FAST!
To answer your question about “who was in the right” regarding the pipe bomb. No one was right or wrong. AJ was asked to cut a heel promo and a large portion of fans agreed with her. The cast was upset with the content which is also valid since she was publicly voicing long term frustrations fans discussed. Like it can’t feel good. Long term, I personally think it drew a lot of attention to the possibilities women’s wrestling could have in WWE.
Finally someone smart on here. Thank you! Agree!
AJ Lee needs to return to Royal Rumble
Now or Never
AJ was absolutely on the money with her pipe bombshell.
Total Divas was good for its time, but I personally lost interest after a while. And even before then, it just came off as "extra" to me, to which AJ debunked in her own way very effectively.
For me, in the AJ pipebomb, when the Bella's are screaming "Say it to our face" I think they're talking about more like "Say it out of the character" or "Go back there and tell us in front, face to face" mostly cause AJ was written that segment and they didn't expected to be so, savage.
Idk, it's kinda like the thing I got it.
aj and the bellas mothers getting that number one spot i know that's right
My mothers!
bellas were embarasing and unprofessional during that promo
I'm convinced that Sasha and Naomi's walkout had something to do with either racism or sexism (they were probably called some slurs) because 2 women who had been in that company for 10+ years do not walk out over a "creative dispute"
Oh definitely. Trinity even says it was bc of the way she was “talked to”… that says enough
Aj calling them out was just truthful, the total divas got tv time and then it was just aj and everyone she feuded with were only total divas.
Santino winning the women battle royal at wrestlemania made me quit watching wwe for months
That entire battle Royal was hard tk watch. It was embarrassing and such a big disrespect to the whole women's division.
We need another Aj Lee promo in the current era ASAP
For what exactly?
The AJ Lee promo was iconic the only people that hate it are Bella twins stans
Gail Kim self elimination is a political movement for me!! It was her way to show How unhappy she was with the divas treatment and she wasn't afraid to speak her mind, when everybody Else was afraid of showing their real feelings about the women's division!! That IS one of the moves that helped the womens revolution in my eyes
Does the Alexa Bliss vs Bayley, Kendo Stick on a pole match count as controversial? It buried the Hugger character and Bayley wasn't able to fully recover until her heel turn years later.
good one!! that was rough to watch🤭
Vince and creative were 1000% at fault for that. What were they thinking, they set Bayley up to fail at the time of her career. Removing any edge that she had especially when she had more gritt when she was in NXT and they made her complete joke.
@@RingTheBellealso the “This is your life” segment from Alexa Bliss to Bayley. That also really derailed Bayley’s character as well. Was probably one of the worst segments from the women during the time. 😅
@@Venus_God2001I swear it was soooo hard to watch 😭
@@Venus_God2001 I've still never seen the Bayley "This is your life" segment.
100% team AJ. She wanted a serious women's division. And although yes Total Divas was iconic and brung in a lot of female & gay viewers but instead of wwe giving women time on tv they gave a reality show. And most of them were hired for their looks instead of their wrestling ability. (Not to say Naomi, Cameron and the Bellas aren't talented wrestlers but they were hired for their looks and later became something more) im not a fan of the divas era besides from some moments like The AJ Kaitlyn Feud, NXT divas era, AJ Paige Storyline.
This is 💯 percent true because the Bella Twins actually admitted that WWE specifically Johnny Ace hired them because they were twins & Eva was hired because she auditioned for Total Divas not because she could wrestle.
The thing is, her delivery was wrong and that pipebomb is a prime example of internalized misogyny.
@MusicChanneI1738 huh? Because she wants women's wrestling to be equal and respected she's misogynistic? And not have women hired based only on their looks
@@kennymessias1928trying to slxt shame people while simultaneously getting popular off the cot tails of the most popular men in her era as well as dating high profile men before and after her debut is hypocritical in itself.. it’s easy to say these girls were only hired for their looks when wwe is only really investing in one person while leaving the others high and dry with lack luster storylines or none at all.
The Piggy James Storyline Was So Awful And Disrespectful And Although Mickie James Did Won The Title At Royal Rumble 2010 But 23 Days Later She Lost It Back To Michelle McCool Thanks To The Annoying And Loudmouth Vickie Guerrero And Never Won It Back
The Bianca Belair 26 Second Loss Was OK It Helped Established Becky Lynch As A REAL Heel (Unlike Her Failed 2018 Heel Turn) And Seeing Bianca Belair Getting Her Revenge At Wrestlemania After So Many Obstacles, Twists And Turns Was Really Satisfying
The AJ Lee Pipebomb Was Obviously An Desperate Attempt Of Her To Stay On The Spotlight Since Her Title Reign Had Became Irrelevant, Stale And Boring By That Time
I was 8 In 2011 and I noticed when Gail left I was like 😿 but then my dad switch the channel one day and i saw Gail with Madison Rayne on TNA🙏🏼😂
Stone Cold beating Lita with a steel chair was quite shocking. I loved it because Lita is awesome and she got to play a big part of that whole angle, but its still a striking (no pun intended) visual and would never fly today.
Sasha Banks aka Mercedes Mone did the right thing for walked out from WWE due to Women tag titles getting mishandled
It's kind of weird how people are pushed to get the title and then as soon as they get it people are screaming for someone new to have it.. or just because they've won the title before its like they are expected to put over someone else or they are turned on
I think these were some kind of controversial moments as welll-
1, the beef of twins and mother maryse I wanna know everything about that .
2, when Cameron was supposed to return in 2022 but Ronda clocked Sasha by winning rumble and Cameron never came back 😢
3, the beef of mother Michelle and Beth phoenix …let’s talk about itttt ☕️☕️
Cameron was done so dirty I can’t believe they didn’t even try to get her back after Ronda won
Here’s what I know.
Maryse, Kelly, and Maria exposed the Bellas for allegedly stopping them from coming back to the WWE. Maryse made her return in 2016 to the company as well as joining Total Divas, and that’s what led to the big confrontation they had on the show.
As far as Michelle and Beth, it’s been rumored that Michelle got big headed after entering a relationship with Undertaker, so Beth felt like she needed to be humbled.
The Becky/Bianca 26 seconds was brilliantly booked, and Bianca is absolutely one of my favourite wrestlers of all time (even then).
The outrage was exactly what they were going for. If Becky had won after a 15/20 minute match (even if she still cheated at the end), it would have seriously lessened the "robbed" sympathy for Bianca. It was a designed heel turn at that moment and instantly propelled Bianca in the road to being a top babyface in the company.
"Let it play out" has often been used only to thej disappoint, or to deflect criticism. But this really was a "let it play out" even if people had no patience for it at the start. A story designed to strap the rocket to Bianca, right from the monent Becky walked out on stage at Summerslam.
Yeah, it had a great payoff. Also I believe HHH was named COO in the middle of the storyline. So that definitely helped Bianca get propelled.
Absolutely it was. I remember bring FURIOUS when Becky won but looking back, if Becky had won in a 15/20 match, it would have made Bianca look weak since Becky hadn’t been in action for 18 months up until that point. Thus it made sense for Becky to play dirty and beat Bianca in 26 seconds to get Bianca SO OVER and give her her redeeming moment at WrestleMania
Give Divas A Chance deserved a spot. That was huuuge
I don’t think that was necessarily controversial, more so an uprising of fans who wanted women to receive better opportunities. It would be controversial if there were 2 heavily opposing sides, which there really wasn’t since it was pretty obvious which side was in the right
I feel like the Piggy James storyline was too far only because it went on for too long, a combination of the BAS campaign, AND at this same time, we were suppose to cheer people for fat-shaming Vickie.
Aj Lee was 💯 percent correct about everything she said in that promo. That was an iconic moment. 💚👏👍
DS you killed it with this list!!! The Sable vs Debra Evening Gown Match was also a controversial moment in Women’s Wrestling history! Sable at that time was on her way out of the company and she didn’t want to let go of the belt so they did her dirty and made her lose the title to Debra
Madusa became iiconic with her wcw debut
How wasn’t Litas pregnancy storyline not at least mentioned lol or Eric Young winning the Knockouts Tag Championship?
Another honorable mention should be when Debra was Awarded the Women’s Championship from Sable even though Sable had already won the evening gown match. It was so cringe and awkward and Sable wore sunglasses the entire time and you could tell she was visibly mad. And she legit tried to take Debra’s clothing off.
Oh yeah, I remember that. It was another Vince getting a title off a talent fiasco. I was surprised that Debra won the title. Back then they were letting any girl or man win the women’s title. Besides Debra, including Miss Kitty/The Kat and Harvey Wippleman. I like Debra but she was not champion material. At least she only held the title for one month before dropping it to Ivory.
@@EX1515 Debra was the it girl at the time, and I thought it was fine she had the title at the time even though she wasn’t a wrestler. She still worked hard as a manager and was very over at the time. And she only had it for a month and lost it to a wrestler which is honestly legitimate. The only downside was that Ivory/Moolah fued was 💩. Miss Kitty being champion was garbage.
I just want to point out that , you got one thing wrong on this list. Mickie James didn't win the feud... She actually lost the title less than a month later (23 days) back to Michelle and never got it back. There are a lot of moments that are kind of crazy when you think about it like this. Like Becky eventually losing the smackdown title to Charlotte after fighting over it for a year before moving on or Alexa Bliss ultimately winning the feud against Nia Jax after the "feel good" moment of WM. We remember the feel-good moments but not what actually happened at the end of the feuds 😅
i think aj did a great job with her pipebomb, it got people talking!! i also think that the cast of total divas will forever be put down because of it though… those girls worked their asses off and no one will ever care to notice.
I agree w/ the pipe bomb being great. I don't think that the cast of Total Divas will be put down. I think the cast of Total Divas will be remembered fondly & there are so many women wrestlers now that are inspired by Aj Lee & the cast of Total Divas. Roxanne Perez & Cora Jade being inspired by Aj Lee & women like Maxine Dupri being inspired by The cast of Total Divas.
@ that’s a great point! i didn’t think of that
tbh I love that Lana is the sole survivor, after those table storyline she actually kinda perfect person who should be the sole, and the way that she just standing on iron steps tho😂
ooh that was a good moment!
As much as I hated it at least we got a great feud out of it between Bianca and Becky
I remember an interview with past women superstars and Michelle saying her and Layla hated that storyline. I really commend mickie for just taking it and making it amazing.
So about the Wendi Richter screw job according to Vince McMahon himself in his Netflix series he did that because Wendi was unprofessional & did not want to drop the championship & He claimed that she was difficult to work with. He told Wendi that she's dropping the title & Wendi defiantly said that she wasn't & Vince said Oh yes you are. Then he went behind her back & plotted the whole thing.
Nothing can beat sasha naomi walkout
AJ LEE paved the way for womens division
no give divas a chance? i don’t think anything was more controversial than that
I don’t think that was necessarily controversial, more so an uprising of fans who wanted women to receive better opportunities. It would be controversial if there were 2 heavily opposing sides, which there really wasn’t since it was pretty obvious which side was in the right
a few controversial moments i think of involve lita, like her storyline with Kane, Matt, and Snitsky, the wedding and the pregnancy and all that or how in her last match, she got humiliated by cryme tyme
I know the "Bark Like a Dog" segment didn't age well, but I'm a bit glad it happened because It made me like Trish more and want to root for her more like directly after. She was like one of the top people in WWE after that segment happened.
I'd put Harvey Wippleman (Hervina), an actual male winning the WWF Women's Title from The Kat.
Love a deep dive down memory lane 🔥❤
AJ Lee was in the right and the Bella twins are hypocrites as if they didn’t make trans phobic comments about Chyna the same year this promo took place a month before this
before I watch this video I’ll be surprised we don’t see the asuka and Mickie James ending
Bro, the story of Mickie James with LayCool was effective simply because it’s memorable, and that’s exactly how heels are supposed to act.
Lowkey surprised there’s nothing with Sable on this list 😭
Nor Sunny, both were controversial
I would’ve thought her relationship with Mero or hands bikini would be here
Number one def should’ve been give divas a chance moment with that tag match with Paige and Emma vs Bellas
Honestly this is a GREAT Top 10 list. I would have moved # up to #3, and just bumped everyone down 1 spot, but that's it. I think the rest of this list is as close to perfect as a list that ANYONE could have made. 11/10
Team AJ!!! Let’s be real especially now looking at how the Bella twins are they were just seeking fame
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😮 I'm shocked you took on this conversation-List by yourself
Charllote was right ❤❤❤
I believe the Sunny days comment by Shawn should also be included here. Sunny was WWE’s golden girl when there was no Women’s Division.
How about the "Submission Sorrority"? Jk. That was funny how they lead people out of wrestling with that name.
You know what, people, the one with Becky and Bianca worked as intended. Becky was returning as a heel while Bianca was the biggest face of the Women's Division at the time. Not only was Becky able to get heat out of it, but it strengthened the support behind Bianca. So, the 26-second Summerslam match was a smart move
AJ was RIGHT
Mickie was definitely serving bodyyy & still is!!
11:50 I’ve seen that a lot on a lot of wrestling websites like NoDQ and Jonathan Coachman’s podcast, Jim Cornette’s UA-cam channel, or amongst men who are in general hostile to Mercedes in particular because they think she sucks in the ring and is too confident. The amount of hate she gets mostly from men who don’t think too highly of women in general, unless they’re Charlotte or Rhea Ripley, is unreal.
I like these do a part 2!!!!
4:33 DS you are actually good looking 😃
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@@alikaan5968grow up or shut up
Aj’s pipebomb was amazing. It reminds me of CM Punk’s pipebomb in 2012
I honestly feel like the Gail thing wasn’t nearly as big as a lot of other controversial moments.
Yeah, that should not be over Original Screwjob.
Gail was just a subtle walkout that only Diva fans noticed as we decried how bad the division already had it.
O.S. should be at least as high as Madusa Trashcan because both severely affected how the women's division went. Historians would actually write these down. But the shock factor is all the way back in the 80s, the "you had to be there" energy is lone gone.
O.S. was in Moolah's Dark Side of the Ring episode - aka nothing but controversy.
I agree with your number 2 but your number 1 is wrong. The AJ bombshell was scripted but Shasha and Naomi walking out was real. The rest of the list is spot on. Love your videos
🤷 look at the comment section people are STILL fighting over who was in the right for the Pipebombshell promo. I think women’s wrestling fans overwhelmingly support Sasha ans Naomi for the walkout especially by now.
Aj Lee was always right
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so excited for WWFA (women’s wrestling fan awards)
It's been over 10 years, but I'll never forget Aj reading the totsl divas cast for filth.
I 100% agree with Sasha and Naomi’s decision. Imagine if you were told what to do in a mean way, I would have walked out to if I was in that position.
I hoped you included Lana and Liv Love segment haha
I truly think that Lita’s exit should be on here. The way they treated Lita- I’m surprised she came back and maintained a relationship with WWE
Becky's return and her beating Bianca in just 26 second was epic. 💪🏻
I don't get Gail and Melina's elimination. Don't you get eliminated if and only both feet touch the ground after you fall from top rope? Both never went over the top rope...how were they eliminated?
Divas battle royal rule didn't need over the top rope elimination. Of course things have changed now!
The Piggy James storyline, I thought, was brilliant. Women critiquing / hating on other women is a big issue and I’m glad WWE highlighted it! But, having Mickie lose the title back to Michelle two weeks later was a stupid decision.
Lita’s mistreatment / being overly sexualised after years of breaking down barriers as a high flying risk taker was disgusting!
I take AJ’s side with the Total Divas feud. Granted, she may have gone a little too far, but also the other ladies coulda handled things differently. If they worked WITH AJ behind the scenes, rather than against her, they coulda really made something of that storyline
I think the pipebomb had both good and bad effects. The good was that fans started to express wanting more for the womens division, which is valid because they really did deserve more. The bad was that a lot of people seemed to equate the divas to the ring personas they played as if they were perpetuing the poor image they had, as if they all just weren't doing their jobs and working with the scraps WWE gave them. Aj is praised for the pipebomb because she had control of the narrative. In reality everyone in that locker room probably felt the same way Aj and the fans felt, they just weren't behind the mic to say it. So essentially, no one is right or wrong in the situation.
First Women's money in the bank should be in the list, Carmella controversially won the first women's ladder match with help of James Ellsworth
Love the new video DS idea and James
Bianca did cry afterwards too
What about Sable sueing the WWE? and then returning
That one segment with Charlotte and Paige bringing his dead brother in the promo.
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Love these types of videos!