questions that any ordinary person should raise: Russia left Bucha on March 30th and the mayor of Bucha claimed it a victory on March 31st, the next day the ukrainian army entered Bucha, WHY this massacre was not disclosed until April 3rd? 2- Why would Russia kill all these civilians and leave their bodies on the streets and then withdraw from Bucha leaving such an evidence? this does not make any sense knowing that the whole world's eyes are fixated on Ukraine awaiting for such a massacre to occur? 3- Why were the bodies spread all over the city? if Russia wants to execute civilians it was easier for them to gather them in one spot and shoot them. 4-Why the UK refused Russia's request for the UN security council to convene?
Answers: 1) It was disclosed even earlier than march 31st in an interview by an italian magazine. But since the magazine lists no source for said interview, the next best thing is a statement by Taras Shapravsky, the secretary of the Bucha City Council on march 31st, posted talking about the bodies even before the mayor's announcement.
2) Mixture or frustration and keeping civilians in line. The russians genuinely thought they were going to take Kiev very early and that the ukrainians would just die from admiration at the sight of them. Turns out the civilians fought back about as much as the army. Because of this there weren't enough supplies to keep the civs in line AND encircle Kiev, especially since the original blitzkrieg had already stretched their supply lines thin. In order to ensure they wouldn't be sabotaged, they left the bodies of people they killed there as a very helpful and present reminder to people of what would happen if they interfered.
We need independence investigation in Bucha. This is really strange. As a human I demand justice for people who are killed. We need UN open independence probe. Even Russia demanded it. Why Uk rejected it. Justice for victim in Bucha. Edit: Guys! I'm a Vietnamese. I only know English and Vietnamese. I can't copy your cmt from youtube app to google translate on my Samsung phone.
@@milakarpi5704 россияне убийцы, а ты - кремлебот. кого "нас"? очень сомневаюсь что ты украинец. ни один адекват не будет оправдывать российскую агрессию
@@milakarpi5704 Когда-то моему дедушке и другим представителям его поколения нравилось видеть нацистов как можно мертвее. Кто-нибудь знает, что изменилось? Множество идиотов, которые верят в СМИ и власть, которые считают себя правильными. С ними нельзя спорить, потому что они хорошие. Основа для диктатуры и бедствий.
Ukranian Photographer Konstantin Liberov was in Bucha on the 1st and 2nd of APril. Check the videos out. Not a word about killed civilians not an image..for 2 days! THe major of Bucha says on the 31st of March , the russians left. Smiling....not a word about 400 people killed. You have US contractor satellite footage dating from the 19th of March. Seriously! The US has footage for almost 3 weeks and doesn't release until now? Not to mention no human or animal disturbance of remains in 3 weeks? Come on...something is fishy
I agree .. and also .. not one single footage taken by any mobile phone of this (I mean the executions) ?? .. so, you slaughter 400 people and nobody knows until it's discovered days before ? ... Very strange ..
@@iren2150 it was a stain on the windshield. You can see it if you watch the high resolution video in slowmotion. Looks like the bodyes are real. But all situation with Bucha is very strange anyway. I have relatives who left Bucha after a few days after the arrival of the russian troops. They say that they have not seen anything bad, except that their house was searched for weapons. They don't know who to trust now. 🤷♂
...and how manipulative was the "specialist" from Ukraine ... He never heard about civilians killed but only in the movies ... Really ? What about the > 1 milion civilians killed by nato in Irak ? But what about the civilians killed in Serbia, Afghanistan and so on ???
You name it, it's so ridiculous, so dumb. They needed 4 days(!!!) to set everything in place. Look the majors 1st interview on March31. He smiled, was happy and relieved. With a main road full of dead citizens?? Jesus...what a nonsense 😤😤
You forgot to mention how the Russians asked the UN to investigate and UK denied the request! You didn't mention what the corpses would smell like after 2 weeks out in the open! So much you omitted. It's sad.
@ChrisCatify1 If only you had a reason rather than just what you're not so sure about. YOu didn't notice the Brit spectators weren't holding their noses as they examined 3-week old putrified corpses? Duh? You're not smart enough to judge the smartness of others.
@ChrisCatify1 I'll bet that the guy with the same education as Mr. Spock, Science and Mathematics of Gambgling, is on the other side of the bell curve from you.
I think russian people need to learn their geography and History where they territories begans and finishes next time Not to bei mistakenly on another Land and dont say its our taking map also Help them ... Donbass on territory Ukraine or russia? In General is IT near russia or its Look Like Peterburg moscow and russia i think No....so ukrainian wanted kill russian but attacked theirselves Not russia in russia many russiana its more logical to Attack russia or Not? Or Somebody attacked Ro russia there is war and we dont know ? So ukrainian damaged own country infrustructure killed own people and wanted kill russians very logical
The bodies remainded on the same position and the same state of lack of signs of decomposition after 2 weeks in wet warm weather ? How’s that possible ? Also white arm bands worn by civilians as a symbol of neutrality and Russian army issued green boxes with food for civilians by some dead bodies ? Bucha population was 40 % Russian . Do we know identity and nationality of murdered civilians? Was Ukrainian roque militia present there ? These guys refuse to be a part of regular army . These are my questions for the host of the video . I think they are logical and well informed host of this video should be able to answer them.
Same in Mariupol... Only %0.9 of people in mariupol talk ukrainian at home, the rest russian... Azov killed people there, in horrific ways, then blamed russians for it. If you know the area, you can tell what's going on...
Ukrainian national police literally put out a report that they were going to Bucha to 'cleanse' the area of Russian Saboteurs and collaborators. They also put out a video when they first arrived in Bucha and I think there was one body present in the entire video. Seems suspicious to me
@@climan5201 people making russia look bad at this point because putin said at first that he wanted to liberate people if he wanted to kill people he would've done so. He's going after the azov battalion and the president. There's even a report saying that russia said there are bio labs in ukraine and there are human trafficking going on. I saw a source saying russia freed 35,000 people from a place where they were slaved by the Ukrainian troops. But russia is a boogeyman 🙄
If something is titled 'Fact Check' and is presented by generic man in suit with zero experience or expertise on that which he is discussing, I'm inclined to immediately question what is being sold.
And if a commenter ignores that forensic experts were also consulted, I start to get suspicious. Do you think Vladimir Putin has committed an appalling war of aggression and should spend the rest of his life in jail for it?
@@stopscammingman Scott Ritter has spoken at length about the forensic investigation on site there. Worth a look at both sides. I'm no Putin 'apologist', but I'm even less so a fan of Zelensky. There are indeed war crimes being committed here, I'm just reluctant at this point to be absolute in my opinion. All I know is, the people that are benefitting from this are not the ordinary Ukrainian civilians. They deserve infinitely better than being treated as collateral damage in a game of chess.
@@stopscammingman Scott Ritter has spoken at length about the forensic investigation on site there. Worth a look at both sides. I'm no Putin 'apologist', but I'm even less so a fan of Zelensky. There are indeed war crimes being committed here, I'm just reluctant at this point to be absolute in my opinion. All I know is, the people that are benefitting from this are not the ordinary Ukrainian civilians. They deserve infinitely better than being treated as collateral damage in a game of chess.
@@myfineeye Strange you didn't answer the question. Let's try again. Do you think Vladimir Putin has committed an appalling war of aggression and should spend the rest of his life in jail for it?
@@stopscammingman I don’t know enough facts to make that decision. I don’t know why you are getting so eggy! That’s my entire point! Us ordinary folk don’t know the true facts, so it’s a futile Putin = Bad, Zelensky = Good, argument. The fact that vast swathes of humankind are incapable of nuanced thought is exactly the reason we get into these messes in the first place. My original comment only served to highlight the ludicrous title of ‘Fact Check’, on an article providing little in the way of factual evidence, presented by a person who doesn’t look as if he has spent a day on the ground in Ukraine, experiencing first hand what is happening (indeed in could be wrong), yet with a clear agenda to spin and promote a certain narrative. To provoke exactly the kind of response you have given.
The way to find out what happened is an investigation by 3rd party. There’s circumstantial evidence that it was not Russian soldiers who committed this war crime so it’s important that we acknowledge that we don’t know and it deserves investigation. Some civilians were surely killed by the shelling between Russia and Ukraine in that area, both sides would’ve likely killed civilians, though Ukrainian shelling would’ve been incoming to this area as Russia was the one occupying bucha. Those are horrific but not technically war crimes. Then when it comes to the torture and execution of civilians, we’ve seen many videos of Ukraine forces committing the exact same crimes against Russian soldiers near bucha, just days before, but also similar crimes against pow’s and Ukrainian civilians across the country throughout this war and against other ukrainians in the east for the last 8 yrs. Also, the executed civilians were wearing, or tied up with, the white bands of fabric that are used to signal “Russian friendly” during the conflict. The day before the announcement of the bucha crimes, Ukrainian state police instead of announcing bucha war crimes, announced on social media that the Russians left so they will now seek out Russian collaborators left over in bucha. That white fabric around civilians arms would not be a welcomed statement. The day before this, the bucha mayor made a video from bucha to announce the Russians left and claimed a Ukrainian victory in bucha, without any mention of a horrific mass crime scene that would’ve been around him. The satellite images provided are not dated and there should be distinction between those killed by shelling vs by execution. And if you think about it, what would Russians gain with this crime, and leaving it for the world to make them out as mass war criminals, vs Ukraine gaining billions in further military and monetary international support. Just saying we can’t simply rush to judge based on the side we think is good or bad. Facts matter. It’s possible it was Russian soldiers but it’s far from obvious, if you know the facts. Twice Russia requested U.N. meeting and investigation and was vetoed twice by the UK. Why would UK do that? Without a true investigation, we’ll never know the truth. Very unfortunate
I am not sure it matters what happened anymore.... They are doing the typical 'can you prove russia didn't do it?' Technicque... When they start making possible allogations and ask people to prove them wrong, it seems like the facts don't matter anymore. They have done this with the most outlandish allogations imaginable.... The technique is this: they make a claim that is outlandish, they back up that claim with a bombarment of factual statments, some of wich are clearly true and others that are clearly fabricated, if some of those claims are adjacent to the allogation, they keep on saying that they are proof that the allogation is true because it is adjacent to the allogation.
The question of what one would gain by commiting such an atrocious massacre is a loaded question that assumes some sort of rationality, but the whole of the war in Ukraine lacks it from the Russian perspective. The only thing it will achieve is further NATO enlargement.
U’ve made very detailed suggestion however the answer is so simple. The pictures from satellites were taken on 18,19 and 31st of March during Russian occupation. The dead bodies were already laying on the streets of the city. This is real genocide. Raping woman and kids, killing innocent people. So horrible..
Please DW do not mislead us; you are supposed to be the best of journalism. Do not insult our intelligence If you claim to be partial (as in the opinion section of a newspaper), you need to tell us. I am OK with that. If you claim to be impartial but your reports are actually partial, I am not OK with that A massacre of this scale makes sense only if somebody wants to discredit the Russians.
Turkish newspaper “Aydınlık” published an article about Bucha. The material analyses the events that took place at the end of March - beginning of April and establishes the following chronology: On March 30, 2022, units of the Russian Armed Forces left Bucha (a day after the negotiations in Istanbul). 03/31/2022 - information about the withdrawal of Russian troops was confirmed by the mayor of Buchi, smiling in the video and talking about victory. On April 1, 2022, Ukrainian formations entered the city. Until April 3, Ukrainian media did not report any corpses on the streets and did not publish photographs of them. On April 3, 2022, locals began to claim that the city streets were full of corpses of civilians and mass graves had been discovered. According to the Turkish publication, the situation in Bucha was staged by the West to increase pressure on Moscow. The implementation of the “project” followed a well-known scenario: photographs, headlines in Western media, accusations from Zelensky, Western leaders one after another condemning the Russian Federation, new sanctions, expulsion of Russian diplomats. Attempts by the Russian Federation to convey information through the UN Security Council were suppressed by the British. Statements by Russian diplomats were suppressed by Western authorities or presented in a different context. In addition, newspaper columnist Tevfik Kadan announced that the date of shooting of Maxar satellite images was manipulated, based on which the NYT accused Russia. NYT journalists claimed that civilians, at least 11 people, were killed three weeks before the withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces, that is, from March 9 to 11. However, the Maxar satellite at that time was in a completely different place and flew over the specified region on February 28 and April 1. In addition, meteorological data from the SunCalc program (angle of the Sun above the horizon, shadows, etc.) confirms that the NYT satellite image was taken at 11:57 GMT on April 1. That is, 2 days after the withdrawal of units of the Russian Armed Forces from Bucha. @new_militarycolumnist
Very strange .. how many were killed in this 'execution' mode ? .. how many on the street ? .. there is no single footage of the executions taken by any phone ? .. they left Butcha and leave the evidence on sight for days ? Very strange ..
I am confused... There were claims of mobile crematoriums used by Russian forces but somehow they never use them when they commit a crime... So incompetent in hiding crimes.
I watched similar show in Hong Kong in 2019 protest. The protesters said a lot of people were killed in the MTR station, but not a single picture was taken by anyone and not a single person came out saying their family member was missing or killed. Funny enough, half of the people in Hong Kong believed the rumors.
The Guardian wrote that artillery strikes on Bucha were carried out at a time when the settlement was under the control of the Russian forces. The shelling was carried out with the use of 122-mm ZSH1 artillery shells stuffed with metal flechettes. However, the Russian troops simply could not strike artillery blows on the territory where they were stationed.
the city is always damaged by fighting, it is inevitable. Your comment shifts responsibility from the defending party to the attacking party. If you want to see what the city looks like when the Russians storm it - look at Rubizhne, Volnovakha, Kreminna, Sumy. The main problem in Bucha is the large number of civilian executions, which stands out against other cities
the city is always damaged by fighting, it is inevitable. Your comment shifts responsibility from the defending party to the attacking party. If you want to see what the city looks like when the Russians storm it - look at Rubizhne, Volnovakha, Kreminna, Sumy. The main problem in Bucha is the large number of civilian executions, which stands out against other cities
Why do they have white bands on their arms? And is there hard evidence that Ukrainian forces said they were going to “liquidate collaborators” before going in?
unfortunately, all the facts point to the fact that it was a staging. Russian troops left the city of Bucha, and Ukrainian troops entered three days later. For three days there are no pictures, no video, no mention of the tragedy by the local authorities. All this is theater.
After the mayor of Bucha proclaimed Bucha to have been liberated, special Ukrainian forces searched for remaining collaborators and saboteurs amongst the population and presumably arrested or executed them. Can this be verified?
see how the car has to maneuver because the victims are so close to the road. Do you really think if the russians are so brutal they will do it too? I think they'll just drive straight over it. And we would have seen very different picture. There have been so many Russians in other cities. Why a massacre only now. Because Ukraine is losing and needs more guns. In Europe arms supply is discussed critically. So that Europe makes the decision quickly, the brutal attacks on civilians are quickly staged. Or you can do it yourself and blame the Russians. Nobody will believe them anyway, because everyone hates Russians now.
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@@johnsalamito6212 The secretary of the Bucha council mentioned it before the mayor made an announcement. Also the bodies couldnt be tended to by the locals as the russians had a very strict "stay home and put your phones in the bag" policy. Amnesty international has a 44 page pdf full of interview with the citizens in Bucha.
The best way to determining what has happened is a UN lead independent investigation but that has been refused by UK twice who is the Chair person of UN security council
The head of the delegation of the United Kingdom, Barbara Woodward, explained that she received this request on April 3, and in response suggested that the Russian side hold a joint meeting together with the already scheduled meeting on Ukraine on April 5 or hold a meeting after that. According to Woodward, she did not violate the 48-hour deadline given to the President of the Security Council to fulfill the request. However, the Russian delegation rejected both proposals.
Satellite images not dated, victims wearing white fabric that stands for pro Russia. No one speaking of the incident until 4 days after Ukrainian occupation. What would Russia gain from doing this? Who actually benefits front this?
This is like children speaking about something they know little about. For more in depth military analysis try 1,Former U.S. Marine, and U.N. Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter, 2 Ex U.S. Army Colonel Douglas McGregor, 3 U.S Prof & Economist Jeffery sachs, 4, U.S Prof John Mearsheimer
Well guys, have you heard of Azov Battalion? Those guys could very well doing that and they aren't shy to do it to their own people, so EVERYONE can point fingers to Russia on every horrible thing. This is more to this war than just Russia attacking, learn about Donbass region what was going there for 8 years to Russian people by Azov and Kievan government and check both sides of the story.
Have always wondered in war reporting how you can talk about fact checking when you don't have reporters on the ground interviewing eyewitnesses and getting them to speak. We have assumptions, that's all we have. The only thing that is certain is that civilians have been victims of acts of war.
The “ fact checker” did not question the mayor’s victory speech and failure to report the massacre. Nor the claim that many victims had white armbands, symbols of being friendly to Russians. Also the documented executions of “ collaborators” and Russian sympathizers by nationalist security units
@@Anon_1003 The people in the mass graves were killed by the Ukrainian 122mm artillery. The civilians shot in the streets were killed by "Safari" unit of the Ukrainian national guard. The homes were looted by the Ukrainian TerOborona units. Rape stories are made up by HRC Danilova.
there was also video when they showed fresh blood on body that was quite decomposed ,,,fresh blood stained examiners gloves but you can see that body is quite decomposed already
The projectiles (shrapnel) found in most of the bodies in Bucha are from artillery ammunition that Ukraine uses, and that Russia stopped using some time ago (soviet made). Look it up.
Most of the dead died from gunfire, not artillery. The bodies who had their hands bound behind their backs died from gunfire......are you honestly saying that the Ukranians liberated Bucha, then executed hundreds of locals, placed the bodies around the town, somehow doctored satellite images from during the Russian occupation, and coached ALL of the remaining locals to implicate the Russians? Are you insane? Honestly, are you insane?
You skirted around the whole subject that the Russians were not even there when those people were killed! Your fact checking is full of lies and doesn't even take into account that the corpses in the mass body staging area did have armbands and leaflets from Russians which was the exact threat that Azov and ukrainians already said they were going to execute civilians who had leaflets to direct them to civilian escape corridors allowed by Russia. Also the Russians had left their 14 days ago and those corpses were freshly killed. How do you fact check that one... You liars, and manipulators of Truth!
@@carlosmedina1281 I will bet almost anything that that was an absolute falsehood. If you will post a link with that information and or video corroboration, that I won't pick apart from here to Sunday anyway, then I will think you're trying to tell the truth.
How does a mayor not know bodies are on the streets of his own city. The western media, the WSJ said they'd been there for weeks. Yet the mayor did know?
He knew, in an interview with an italian news magazine he disclosed it but the magazine lists no source. The next best thing is a statement by Taras Shapravsky, the secretary of the Bucha City Council on march 31st, which talked about the bodies even before the mayor's announcement.
@@javierititin When was the interview? Not a creditable source, "an Italian news magazine." Definitely didn't know when the Russian military first left. Definitely didn't know in other sources.
@@ewalker1057 Adnkronos, interview was from March 28th. And Sergei Lavrov said himself that the russian forces had evacuated Bucha on March 31st. EDIT: Wrote Febuary 28th, meant March 28th. Oops.
@@javierititin @javierititin So you're saying those bodies were there from February 28th until March 31st? There's still no evidence, particularly forensic of an interview or what happened Bucha. Others claim there was a cleansing order that went out after the Russian military left. It was to cleanse Bucha of citizens that took assistance (food, medical supplies..) from or interacted with the Russian military. As results, Zelensky and his government passed a law making it treasonous to interact with Russian military. It's punishable by 15 years in prison.
@@ewalker1057 I edited my reply, I meant March 28th and wrote February. But no it wouldn't be from March 28th, even earlier, at latest March 25th. If you look at the satellite images you can see it's particularly sunny, but if you look at historic weather in Bucha you'll find that the last sunny day in Bucha before the publication of the NYT article with the satellite images (april 4th) was on March 25th. Also worth noting, March 19th was a sunny afternoon, further legitimizing the claims that they were taken at that date. As for cleansing, it seems more likely that the russian army simply looted everything in that area. While not all of bucha was pillaged, some of it was and the russians didn't care for all the lives they took. Also no, interacting with the russian military in occupied territory and accepting rations from them is not a crime, publishing russian slogans will get you detention for 30 days and painting military targets for them to bomb will land you in jail or have you killed depending on the severity. Not an ideal set of laws but necessary in war time.
I believe the real truth is that ukranian soldiers who executed russians POWs and posted their video on 30 march(you can find it on UA-cam, very gory), and next day used those corpses to stage the scene.
@@kosteros I WOULD SAY UKRAINE'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF RUSSIAN SPEAKING PEOPLE, IS GENOCIDE & THIS IS WHY RUSSIA WENT TO PUT AN END TO IT IN UKRAINE! AZOV = HOLLYWOOD MSM MOSSAD = LIARS Ukraine bombed Ukrainians TELL THE TRUTH BECAUSE HISTORY HASN'T
The images from the satellite company should show the date and time of the images. The date of the Images were all typed in by DW in this video. That means they can type in whatever date they want. I am not saying DW is lying, but there is possibility that the fact check is not genuine. To be convinced, I would like to see the images of other streets in the area on March 19, 2022, because I am sure that the company would scan the whole town at that very moment. If they couldn’t provide other images, it means everything was staged. The satellite image were actually created after March.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Who said I believe them? I have studied the conflict and I believe NATO and allies are the instigators of this needless war. It is shocking that the puppet president is playing ball with Russia to please them at the expense of innocent civilians who want nothing to do with the war. Watch a documentary called Ukraine on Fire and be the judge. FYI, I am totally against the war but informed enough to see through the deceit
@@royalchoicetravelltd You're wrong, or you didn't "study" hard enough. Needless war indeed. Putin concern trolls about dead Russians in Donbass while he was the one using them as human shields for 8 years. Innocent civilians, like the ones in the MH17 shot down by 322 launcher from the 53rd anti air missile brigade. Which Russia brought out of the separatist region to hide the evidence. Yes, the documentary by Oliver Stone, the American who makes a point to love all antagonists. A friend of Hugo Chavez, even. I'm sure he's unbiased.
Why does the Ukrainian soldiers secure footages with low resolution cameras and without the presence of international journalists? The pictures looks terrible but a tacky aftertaste remains.
I don’t know how they can live with themselves or sleep at night. They should go to Bucha and shake hands with some of the corpses. I’d say more but rules don’t allow me to say what I really think.
Warm greetings from Kazakhstan. People should not be surprised at all. Russia and its special paramilitary groups are also behind the tragic events in Kazakhstan this January. Russian mercenaries and war criminals killed protesters, bystanders, women and children in Kazakhstan in their desperate attempt to support their puppet president Tokayev... Russia truly lacks any morals and is evil indeed...
Who would need to resort to desperate measures the 3 strongest military in the world, or the 33rd obviously the 3rd strongest can easially beat them without out need for desperate measures. In fact there is no benefit to Russia but big benefit to ukraine to get support
THE HISTORY AND THE DECISIOINS !!!!!! I WANTED NOT TO IGNORE FOR AN ENNTH TIME A DETAIL OF NOT A LITTLE CONCERN THAT HISTORY TEACHES US !!!! Bucha recalls the fact "The massacre in the forest of KATYN" in April 1943 by the Germans. The German occupation troops claimed to have discovered a huge mass grave in Soviet territory in which the bodies of about 4500 Polish officers already prisoners of the Russians were buried. The propagandists of the axis were offered the possibility of creating a FRACTURE (AS IT HAPPENED TODAY) in the allied front. And they succeeded in full, because the Soviets, faced with the evidence, reacted angrily, accusing the Germans of the slaughter. (HOW IT HAPPENED TODAY) But the clumsy and evasive way in which they excused themselves only served to embarrass the allies and aggravate suspicions. It seemed evident that it had been the Russians. When the war was over, the whole question of liability was prudently dismissed during Nuremberg, so for more than 20 years it continued to be a puzzling problem JUST BECAUSE NO INQUIRIES WERE DONE. Two writers, one English and one Soviet, offered two contrasting versions of the fact in the 1970s. It was proved that it was the Germans who committed the massacre by blaming the Soviets WITH EVIDENCE IN HAND (THE RED CROSS FOUND IN THE SKULLS OF KILLED POLISH SOLDIERS, GERMAN BULLETS) .... although the western one might seem a much more 'convincing. This version, which lasted over the years, until today, changed its version several times ... again and again. Papers, admissions of guilt and overturns of the case with counter overturns, etc., turned up. What HISTORY TEACHES is THAT if a serious and impartial commission does not come into play, one cannot argue beyond the fact that it would remain a ghost story. Bucha like Katyn could end up the same way and thus go unpunished. It is certainly important to clarify with an external commission created by neutral countries as soon as possible. BECAUSE? The effect it has had in the world, as now on the axis, is today a source of important government DECISIONS and is a source of direct and indirect separations on the people. INCREDIBLE that history repeats itself and that foolish man does not understand. Thanks
6 months later: "We're hunting them down and shooting them like pigs': How the Ukrainians are taking brutal revenge on the collaborators who've betrayed their neighbours - and country" "‘A hunt has been declared on collaborators and their life is not protected by law,’ said Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to the interior ministry."
Hmmmm why is nobody talks about the fragments found in the bodies? The same shells filled by needles/darts fired by Ukrainian artillery. Are those amunitions not banned by the Geneva Convention? Did ukraine accidentally killed there civilians and blamed the russians?
I see a misleading info here. And signalling you that people interviewed were actually speaking about Kiev combatants not Russians. Show, please, the entire interviews. Especially question about beginning of their answers.
The mayor of Bucha, Anatoly Fedoruk, or his brother "did not mention any dead bodies" when they "first" entered Butcha. They spoke of the Russian retreat and how they were relieved. Somehow, this video footage has disappeared. What's going on?!
The mayor of Bucha appeared on TV shortly after Russian troops undertook a tactical withdrawal from the area, and he was outwardly jubilant, exclaiming that "Ukrainian forces had liberated Bucha", but never mentioning scores of bodies lying out in the open on the streets, because there weren't yet any bodies, otherwise there is simply no way that it would not have gone completely unmentioned at the time. Subsequently Ukranian security forces arrived in town within a day or two, announcing online that they would be hunting in the area for "Russian collaborators". Next thing you know, pictures and video mysteriously emerge of dead bodies scattered about on roadways. One thing the bodies had in common in photos of the crime scene was that they were almost all either wearing white armbands, or their hands were bound or they were blindfolded with remnants of white cloth, presumably also white armbands. It happens that Russian troops had instructed civilians in the area who were not hostile to Russian troops to signal as much by wearing white armbands. Russians had been providing civilians in the area with food and/or rations. Suspect homes were searched and anyone caught with Russian army rations in their possession was considered a "Russian collaborator". The above information is factual. Draw your own conclusions.
yes it was strange for me too...i have seen video of mayor happy and smiling after liberation ..ukrainian troops wear blue or yellow armbands ,russian supporters-white ones
here was also video when they examined body -body was quite decomposed but there was fresh blood on it which stained examiners gloves-which was also strange,im not saying it was staged but something is not adding up over there
Seeing Sergey Lavrov engage in such blatant denialisim after such a public reveling of this atrocity is horrifying. This is like holocaust denial days after the liberation of the first concentration camp. I am glad to see GW debunking this stuff. Because if Russia is denying that this happened now. So soon after the events. Just imagine what they will do 10 or 20 years from now. When the events are not so present in the public eye. Never forget.
@@laxmanCPWDJE Pint-sized Putin will be hanging from the rafters before the decade is over :) Russia is done as a sovereign nation. NATO will wipe out an entire generation of your young men.
@@FilipChilyan He is not. Russians started retreating on March 30, fully left on March 31 morning. There is still public video taken from the car from April 1 showing bodies on the streets. The satelite images aren't only from March 31, but from March 9, March 10 (that's when mass grave being digged up is visable), March 11, March 20 and March 21. On all images there are new bodies appearing.
The very first video from Bucha shows damaged vehicles on the rod but no bodies. Bucha mayor also says that town is clean. Also there are videos of first entrance of ukrainian forces to Bucha and one soldier asks " There are guys without blue bands on arms. Can I shoot them?" Another soldier answers "You f..g bet!" Also all victims have white bands on arms, and white is a colour of Russian froces and pro-Russian civilians. Ukrainians wear blue or yellow bands.
Witness accounts are emerging in volumes that in Mariupol Asov fighters killed huge numbers of sivilians who tried to flee, that Azov bombed the residential quarters in gruesom ways in order to attribute these atrocities to russian forces, that Azov fighters shot people when they even tried to emerge from the basements and even inside the basements. Azov fighters deliberately placed heavy artillery in the residential quarters. Their snipers occupied private apartments by force and held residents as hostages. There were accounts of rape and many more of violent and inhuman behaviour towards civilians of Mariupol. All witnesses say they were scared of Azov.
@@jb4775 Find Patrick Lancaster 's UA-cam channel and videos from a week ago or more . Where he talks to civilians right at the bombing sites and helps evacuate people .
Yes this is what I heard from people who live in these areas as well. Azov has been committing atrocities not just in this war but for the last 8 years... Disgraceful reporting by the DW...
The images from the satellite company should show the date and time of the images. The date of the Images were all typed in by DW in this video. That means they can type in whatever date they want. I am not saying DW is lying, but there is possibility that the fact check is not genuine. To be convinced, I would like to see the images of other streets in the area on March 19, 2022, because I am sure that the company would scan the whole town at that very moment. If they couldn’t provide other images, it means everything was staged. The satellite image were actually created after March.
Turkish newspaper “Aydınlık” published an article about Bucha. The material analyses the events that took place at the end of March - beginning of April and establishes the following chronology: On March 30, 2022, units of the Russian Armed Forces left Bucha (a day after the negotiations in Istanbul). 03/31/2022 - information about the withdrawal of Russian troops was confirmed by the mayor of Buchi, smiling in the video and talking about victory. On April 1, 2022, Ukrainian formations entered the city. Until April 3, Ukrainian media did not report any corpses on the streets and did not publish photographs of them. On April 3, 2022, locals began to claim that the city streets were full of corpses of civilians and mass graves had been discovered. According to the Turkish publication, the situation in Bucha was staged by the West to increase pressure on Moscow. The implementation of the “project” followed a well-known scenario: photographs, headlines in Western media, accusations from Zelensky, Western leaders one after another condemning the Russian Federation, new sanctions, expulsion of Russian diplomats. Attempts by the Russian Federation to convey information through the UN Security Council were suppressed by the British. Statements by Russian diplomats were suppressed by Western authorities or presented in a different context. In addition, newspaper columnist Tevfik Kadan announced that the date of shooting of Maxar satellite images was manipulated, based on which the NYT accused Russia. NYT journalists claimed that civilians, at least 11 people, were killed three weeks before the withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces, that is, from March 9 to 11. However, the Maxar satellite at that time was in a completely different place and flew over the specified region on February 28 and April 1. In addition, meteorological data from the SunCalc program (angle of the Sun above the horizon, shadows, etc.) confirms that the NYT satellite image was taken at 11:57 GMT on April 1. That is, 2 days after the withdrawal of units of the Russian Armed Forces from Bucha. @new_militarycolumnist
Ukraine civilians have said that the Ukraine army have been using civilians as human shields and Ukraine army have been shooting some of the civilians in the back.
Will you cover the ongoing massacre of civilians in mariupol by Ukrainian forces next? Seems to be a lot of people denying that despite clear as day footage of it happening
What clear as day footage? Which side has fired the most bullets and missiles and dropped the most bombs in the battle of Mariopol? Russian or Ukraine? Which side has the most troops in this battle? Which side has encircled the city and is fighting towards the centre with street battles in residential areas, rockets and and tanks? Which side has a military doctrine of attacking civilian targets displayed in recent conflicts like Chechnya 1996-2009, or now in Syria? Which side has used cluster munitions and thermobaric weapons in civilian areas? Why would Ukraine massacre it's own citizens, why would the soldiers obey orders to massacre their own people?
@@motimobo which side is indiscriminately firing into to civilian areas? Which side is shelling non military targets? Which side is being welcomed upon arrival? Which side do the people there say they support? Couldn't care less who has what weapons, what they do with them is what matters
@@motimobo If the Ukraine soldiers are hiding In civilian apartments, shoping centers, churches, while at the same time shooting at the Russian soldiers. Then the apartments become a legitimate military target.
Well, I just learnt Buča wasnt the worst warcrime of this week (Mali) and Ukraina probably wasnt the dethliest war last week (Yemen) so watching this socialmedia wannabees triing to make some journalist content is just .... Ye, when you reported 1000's of people all across the world came to help Ukraina and then you reported 1000's of foreign mercenaries came to fight for Russia, I had picture in my head they all came for spring season of gardening and planting flowers. what kind of picture did you have when you ware reporting? So ppl are death, shot by bullet, assumingly not local (cause noone local would not left ppl of own community laying on the street for 14 days), left on the street so everyone can see, even satellite.
@@henryg3313 The real warcrime here (or in any war) is our national TV sand reporters to this places not speaking Russian nor Ukrainian just to pump up pro-war santiment. In reality there are 40 mio Ukrainien and 5 mio Russian speaking ppl and 1000's of well armed killer frenzy nutshells on the both sides.
The execution of collaborators after the occupiers retreat is nothing new and deserves investigation of the victims background. The whole thing is awful and deserves a full investigation.
What Bullets killed them? The Russians and the Ukrainians use different ammunition. When were they killed, any autoposies showing time of death? Who were the dead civilians, were they wearing anything that showed they supported Russia or Ukraine?
My best guess would be that the soldiers responsible were under the command of an unhinged sadist or maybe just happened to be a pack of barbarians from the get-go. I don't know much about military command structure, but I have heard horror stories of "special" units in different armies who were unusually twisted and bloodthirsty.
One thing I don't understand though. Russia mentioned staging and that they had left already. Atrocities are and have surely been committed on Ukranian territory and in the Eastern provinces since at least 2014. War makes people beasts. This needs to end before these soldiers all go more mad and mentally unstable. But my main question is - why are some of the bodies wearing white armbands? No blue arm-bands, only white? Isn't that pro-Russian? If so, is Russia not mentioning this because they assume their side is killing civilians? However, why is reporting that accounts for available knowledge regardless of origin so difficult to come by?
They are not hard to come by. All you have to do is look. For instance: FROM *A Truth Seeker* channel. *"Bucha massacre" - (Part 1)* *"Bucha massacre" - (Part 2)* SEARCH for the channel first, then the videos. ... Spread these videos!
They basically just pillaged the place. Most of Bucha isn't that littered with bodies it's just a few streets. Since most civs were compelled to stay home and had their phones confiscated, you wouldn't find these photos anywhere.
they wont be able to do anythimg the more they try the worse it will get, the moment the people see their desperation to sell zelinskis massaker as putins thats the moment it gets pointless.
What does that white bracelet mean, that white bracelet that some of the dead wear? Can you explain the background of Maxar's CEO? Daniel L Jablonsky. His name is originally from Poland or Ukraine, he has a Navy background. Could it be that those who benefit from it are actually the perpetrators?
@@johanpire1413 Those white rag bracelets mean "I am a civilian and I am loyal to you" - they were tied by civilians in Russian-controlled places. Russian soldiers distributed food in bags - humanitarian aid. Some of the dead are lying with such a bag. Doesn't it seem strange, does it? Maybe SOMEONE "dealt" with the collaborators after the Russians left?
@@lexpavlinov9655 You definitely don’t have to be a genius to figure out the obvious . What’s wrong, are you one of the Democrat paid Fact Check Liars?
I have not watched this video. My guess is, it selectively is cherry picking items to fit western/Ukraine narrative. An international impartial forensic investigation should have been done. I am basing my opinion on the fact that the Russians have been moving slower than they need and taking precautions even at the expense of additional troops lost to keep civilians from harm. But more and more testimonials from civilians said Ukraine military uses civilian infrastructure for military purposes with is a war crime and makes civilian infrastructure a legitimate target. War needs to end and diplomacy needs to be given 1st priority instead of trying to prolong war to make money and achieve political foreign policy goals.
That Russians don't behave like civilized people shouldn't be something new to people who know their history. So yeah, the denial is quite hilarious. It's like the German people denying eating Bratwurst.
@@johnpablo2772 YOU don’t hate Russians when they’re benefiting YOU and your power…don’t take everyone else down with your flakiness, the Pentagon’s been keeping a critical eye on the Russian Federation since the fall of the Soviet Union….you’re the only Ruski lover….even all they’re intelligent class left the country lol.
@@555rerun sound like A true American “patriot” you’re clown and America a joke You’re just a brainwashed cnn puppet Wake up go to work and pay your taxes because that’s the American thing to do. 👍CLOWN
in the past it was about orthodoxy now its about uighur style autonomy there is change i side with russia because i dont trust thd woke west they are the real extremists
Maybe I missed it - was it explained why the mayor knew nothing about this tragedy on the 31st,or why an official video of the sweep of the city by police units on april 2nd shows only one victim,or what the Russians thought they had to gain by committing a ghastly atrocity & leaving the evidence lying around for the benefit of the western media? I'm genuinely open to persuasion there's a way to explain these inconvenient issues,but so far I've heard none that weren't laughably weak - we''ll know who did this only if these poor people are given genuinely independent autopsies (which side seeks to delay or avoid this process will be very revealing).
The Maksar satellite flew over the region on February 28 and April 1, and not on March 9-11. In other words, on March 9-11, the satellite was in a completely different coordinate. It was also confirmed by meteorological data that the NYT satellite image refers to April 1, not March.
@@bradleywelch9290 I suppose that video refers to NYT's investigation, so I've read ther source: "To confirm when the bodies appeared, and when the civilians were likely killed, the Visual Investigations team at The Times conducted a before-and-after analysis of satellite imagery. The images show dark objects of similar size to a human body appearing on Yablonska Street between March 9 and March 11."
@@bradleywelch9290 Sattelites actually flew over the region in 19 March, but Images for March 19 are not presented in open catalog of Maxar. Moreover, they are not available for sale.
People write that those satellite Mixar images are not available to be downloaded in Russia and Belorussian, access was blocked. And for everyone else they are available in low resolution, only for those dates. Why then?!?
The images from the satellite company should show the date and time of the images. The date of the Images were all typed in by DW in this video. That means they can type in whatever date they want. I am not saying DW is lying, but there is possibility that the fact check is not genuine. To be convinced, I would like to see the images of other streets in the area on March 19, 2022, because I am sure that the company would scan the whole town at that very moment. If they couldn’t provide other images, it means everything was staged. The satellite image were actually created after March.
Que conveniente que los cuerpos yacen separados asimetricamente y apartados del camino por el que transitan los autos con camaras y a la distancia correcta para ser filmados por los convoys que pasan por el lugar, and some st-upid people say good job, DW is doing the work, pathetic.
False go look it up several security camera vids and vids from people hiding in there houses are now out and show the evidence plus identifies some of the soldiers involved because they used phones off the victims to call bsck home since they arent allowed to carry their own while active
Турецкая газета “Айдынлык” опубликовала статью, в которой решила объективно разобраться в том, что на самом деле произошло в Буче. В материале проведен анализ происходивших в конце марта - начале апреля событий и установлена следующая хронология. 30 марта - подразделения ВС РФ вышли из Бучи (день спустя после переговоров в Стамбуле). 31 марта - информацию об отводе российских войск подтвердил мэр Бучи, а затем в город вошли украинские формирования. До 3 апреля украинские СМИ не сообщали ни о каких трупах на улицах и не публиковали фотографии с ними. 3 апреля местные начали утверждать, что улицы города полны трупов мирных жителей и обнаружены братские могилы. По мнению турецкого издания, ситуация в Буче была инсценирована Западом для усиления давления на Москву. Реализация "проекта" проходила по уже известному сценарию: фотографии, заголовки в западных СМИ, обвинения со стороны Зеленского, западные лидеры один за другим осуждают РФ, новые санкции, высылка российских дипломатов. Попытки РФ донести информацию через СБ ООН пресекались британцами. Заявления российских дипломатов замалчивались западными и зданиями или преподносились в ином контексте. Кроме того, обозреватель газеты Тевфик Кадан заявил о подтасовке даты съемки спутниковых снимков Maxar, на основании которых NYT обвинили Россию. В частности, журналисты NYT утверждали, что мирные жители, по меньшей мере 11 человек, были убиты за три недели до вывода ВС РФ, то есть с 9 по 11 марта. Однако спутник Maxar в это время находился совсем в другом месте, а над указанным регионом пролетал 28 февраля и 1 апреля. Помимо этого, метеорологические данные от программы SunCalc (угол наклона Солнца над горизонтом, тени и т.д.) подтверждают, что спутниковый снимок NYT был сделан в 11:57 по Гринвичу 1 апреля. То есть через 2 дня после вывода подразделений ВС РФ из Бучи. @new_militarycolumnist
Turkish newspaper “Aydınlık” published an article about Bucha. The material analyses the events that took place at the end of March - beginning of April and establishes the following chronology: On March 30, 2022, units of the Russian Armed Forces left Bucha (a day after the negotiations in Istanbul). 03/31/2022 - information about the withdrawal of Russian troops was confirmed by the mayor of Buchi, smiling in the video and talking about victory. On April 1, 2022, Ukrainian formations entered the city. Until April 3, Ukrainian media did not report any corpses on the streets and did not publish photographs of them. On April 3, 2022, locals began to claim that the city streets were full of corpses of civilians and mass graves had been discovered. According to the Turkish publication, the situation in Bucha was staged by the West to increase pressure on Moscow. The implementation of the “project” followed a well-known scenario: photographs, headlines in Western media, accusations from Zelensky, Western leaders one after another condemning the Russian Federation, new sanctions, expulsion of Russian diplomats. Attempts by the Russian Federation to convey information through the UN Security Council were suppressed by the British. Statements by Russian diplomats were suppressed by Western authorities or presented in a different context. In addition, newspaper columnist Tevfik Kadan announced that the date of shooting of Maxar satellite images was manipulated, based on which the NYT accused Russia. NYT journalists claimed that civilians, at least 11 people, were killed three weeks before the withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces, that is, from March 9 to 11. However, the Maxar satellite at that time was in a completely different place and flew over the specified region on February 28 and April 1. In addition, meteorological data from the SunCalc program (angle of the Sun above the horizon, shadows, etc.) confirms that the NYT satellite image was taken at 11:57 GMT on April 1. That is, 2 days after the withdrawal of units of the Russian Armed Forces from Bucha. @new_militarycolumnist
First my grandpa is from Kiev escaped to west during Russian control. So what I explain is to help better understanding to those unfamiliar with arm band practice that affects the conclusion and thus de-escalate provocative blaming. 2:07 The evidence of who is responsible for Bucha civilians killed in street is visible at 2:07. White armband clearly is seen around the arm of the person laying dead in the street. You do not include close up video of any other of the several individuals left out on the street, but they also had white armbands on their arm except two who had it as a white armband tying their hands together behind their back and they were shot in the back of the head. You can see from other videos on the Internet of people in donetz who want to tell the Russians that they’re not a problem that they support the Russians is they wear a white armband. In Ukrainian controlled areas, they use yellow armband To demonstrate solidarity with Ukraine. Others sources indicate that a national guard of Ukraine posting prior to these revelations was they will go into the bucha area to clean out collaborators and saboteurs who many are suspected to be Russian troops dressed as civilians. Thus It shouldn’t surprise us what it appears to be the true cause of the killings. Now it may actually be within the laws of war to kill troops dressed as civilians wearing white armbands who you can use that as proof they are collaborators and saboteurs. So I’m not saying that the Ukrainians did something necessarily wrong. My grandpa is from Kyiv, so I say this to promote peace - it may not necessarily be the Russians fault as everybody presupposes.
I'm afraid the satellite images speak for themselves. There were areas that were just shot out for no reason, likely to plunder and pillage while also keeping civilians in line.
FROM *A Truth Seeker* channel. *"Bucha massacre" - (Part 1)* *"Bucha massacre" - (Part 2)* SEARCH for the channel first, then the videos. ... Spread these videos!
Dear Sir, Your grandpa escaped to the west during Soviet control, not Russia's one. Since that time the country has changed dramatically. Communism has not been in power in Russia for 30 years by now and both political and economical systems there are the same as those in the west for the mentioned period of time. If you don’t understand this ‘little difference then your analysis does not make sense. I myself escaped that country in 1995 then I came back after 20 year absence and I saw it was quite different country. Please, do your homework firs before posting your comments.
So how did the mayor's video from the day Russians left had neither bodies, nor talk about bodies? So your story becomes bodies were there in several week, but disappeared the day Russians left and reappeared to days later?
And in Russian (and in Ukrainian too :>) this word "bucha" means just "bustle-flurry-scramble-tumult-affray-dismay-fuss-etc"... I just see this image - the Zelensky or advisor Arestovich (who said "the national idea of Ukraine is to lie") just pokes at the map and says "This is where we will arrange this bucha - in the Bucha!"
And the bodies stayed there few weeks, you want to say to us or? I don't know what's really happened in Bucha, but i know that Ukrainian government has fired their women for the human rights and war crimes. Why, what do you think?
the Russians confessed to this massacre. On the social network "Vkontakte", russian soldier Mikhail Tkach, who was evacuated from the Kiev region, admitted that he had killed civilians and said that he would do it again when he returned to Ukraina
The problem is that we can find 100 people that will admit to it , and the people that are already excusing those they support will say they were paid or coerced or that they were never there. But the video is nearly impossible to deny once it is independently verified. I was not at all shocked at war crimes as every army has people that snap and do them , but the extent , and the fact they did this to little old ladies , kids etc....I am surprised they did not kill all the animals, but have been too much effort. Thanks for the post that someone confessed !
Anyone can be on this social network, including people interested in juggling the facts. It may not even be a soldier and not a Russian at all. Even I can write that I was there and throw a few photos from the Internet. I don't believe in this, because whoever confesses this will simply be killed by the authorities or put in prison forever. Russia doesn't need that kind of brutal footage, so the Russians wouldn't do this in Bucha and leave it like this for the media to see. This is a shot in the foot. It looks like a provocation on the part of Ukraine to ask for more weapons. Or they were mercenaries from other countries who are fighting on the side of Ukraine and do not obey any laws.
There is a video on the channel of the well-known Ukrainian nationalist "Bosun" where during the "liberation" of Bucha they give the order to "shoot at everyone who does not have blue armbands" As for me, this is a direct proof of the guilt of the Ukrainian army. I might doubt this if it was some kind of anonymous account, but here we are dealing with a verified account that was often referred to by Western media before. And what you write about, any student can stand for 10 minutes.
The images from the satellite company should show the date and time of the images. The date of the Images were all typed in by DW in this video. That means they can type in whatever date they want. I am not saying DW is lying, but there is possibility that the fact check is not genuine. To be convinced, I would like to see the images of other streets in the area on March 19, 2022, because I am sure that the company would scan the whole town at that very moment. If they couldn’t provide other images, it means everything was staged. The satellite image were actually created after March.
@@canada9436 don't forget, after Russian army go away there was an interview with major of bucha, and he tell nothing about the crimes. The corps appears after
And if that Vasily Nebenzya keeps claiming that he saw one of the bodies move. Ask him to point at the screen and tell us which one. Dump the body on his table and ask him if he can make the body move. Ask him if it's just an "actor" as he so claims.
@@Thor.Jorgensen Perhaps a bit barbaric but it would be undoubtebly an effective one. Regardless of what anyone thinks, it is somewhat comforting to see actual fact checking and serious investigative work being done. The level of atrocities seen right now is honestly something I used to strongly believe to be in the worlds of fiction and history. There are many video games that give a narrative about war crimes and atrocities. But seeing what is happening in Ukraine is honestly something I thought were possible in video games and movies. Because in those settings, all bodies were nothing but props and pixels. Instead, I now realize that the creative minds behind such impressive narratives are just the same sort of mind, but unhinged and released into our world. I am dreading the future. Because what's happening in Ukraine now will sow the seeds of future acts of anger, hate and even more death.
The images from the satellite company should show the date and time of the images. The date of the Images were all typed in by DW in this video. That means they can type in whatever date they want. I am not saying DW is lying, but there is possibility that the fact check is not genuine. To be convinced, I would like to see the images of other streets in the area on March 19, 2022, because I am sure that the company would scan the whole town at that very moment. If they couldn’t provide other images, it means everything was staged. The satellite image were actually created after March.
questions that any ordinary person should raise: Russia left Bucha on March 30th and the mayor of Bucha claimed it a victory on March 31st, the next day the ukrainian army entered Bucha, WHY this massacre was not disclosed until April 3rd?
2- Why would Russia kill all these civilians and leave their bodies on the streets and then withdraw from Bucha leaving such an evidence? this does not make any sense knowing that the whole world's eyes are fixated on Ukraine awaiting for such a massacre to occur?
3- Why were the bodies spread all over the city? if Russia wants to execute civilians it was easier for them to gather them in one spot and shoot them.
4-Why the UK refused Russia's request for the UN security council to convene?
Answers:
1) It was disclosed even earlier than march 31st in an interview by an italian magazine. But since the magazine lists no source for said interview, the next best thing is a statement by Taras Shapravsky, the secretary of the Bucha City Council on march 31st, posted talking about the bodies even before the mayor's announcement.
2) Mixture or frustration and keeping civilians in line. The russians genuinely thought they were going to take Kiev very early and that the ukrainians would just die from admiration at the sight of them. Turns out the civilians fought back about as much as the army. Because of this there weren't enough supplies to keep the civs in line AND encircle Kiev, especially since the original blitzkrieg had already stretched their supply lines thin. In order to ensure they wouldn't be sabotaged, they left the bodies of people they killed there as a very helpful and present reminder to people of what would happen if they interfered.
3) Because they're not equally spread out all over the city.
4) Because the UK wanted to investigate first, as they knew that since Russia made this crime they could pull evidence that the prosecution could not.
@@netzoned Seen it, it's an utter lie that misses a lot of info on purpose to push a false narrative.
We need independence investigation in Bucha. This is really strange.
As a human I demand justice for people who are killed. We need UN open independence probe. Even Russia demanded it. Why Uk rejected it.
Justice for victim in Bucha.
Edit: Guys! I'm a Vietnamese. I only know English and Vietnamese. I can't copy your cmt from youtube app to google translate on my Samsung phone.
Потому что все это создано по сценарию Британии, русские не убийцы. Нас убивают украинцы.
@@milakarpi5704 россияне убийцы, а ты - кремлебот. кого "нас"? очень сомневаюсь что ты украинец. ни один адекват не будет оправдывать российскую агрессию
@@milakarpi5704 Когда-то моему дедушке и другим представителям его поколения нравилось видеть нацистов как можно мертвее. Кто-нибудь знает, что изменилось? Множество идиотов, которые верят в СМИ и власть, которые считают себя правильными. С ними нельзя спорить, потому что они хорошие. Основа для диктатуры и бедствий.
No one will like the truth, the UN doesn't want to see it, NATO is complicit in war crimes and genocide of minorities in Ukraine.
Ukraine did it.
Ukranian Photographer Konstantin Liberov was in Bucha on the 1st and 2nd of APril. Check the videos out. Not a word about killed civilians not an image..for 2 days! THe major of Bucha says on the 31st of March , the russians left. Smiling....not a word about 400 people killed. You have US contractor satellite footage dating from the 19th of March. Seriously! The US has footage for almost 3 weeks and doesn't release until now? Not to mention no human or animal disturbance of remains in 3 weeks? Come on...something is fishy
I agree .. and also .. not one single footage taken by any mobile phone of this (I mean the executions) ?? .. so, you slaughter 400 people and nobody knows until it's discovered days before ? ...
Very strange ..
0:11 the man raises his hand on the right side. i dont understand🤔
@@iren2150 it was a stain on the windshield. You can see it if you watch the high resolution video in slowmotion. Looks like the bodyes are real. But all situation with Bucha is very strange anyway. I have relatives who left Bucha after a few days after the arrival of the russian troops. They say that they have not seen anything bad, except that their house was searched for weapons. They don't know who to trust now. 🤷♂
...and how manipulative was the "specialist" from Ukraine ... He never heard about civilians killed but only in the movies ... Really ? What about the > 1 milion civilians killed by nato in Irak ? But what about the civilians killed in Serbia, Afghanistan and so on ???
You name it, it's so ridiculous, so dumb. They needed 4 days(!!!) to set everything in place. Look the majors 1st interview on March31. He smiled, was happy and relieved. With a main road full of dead citizens?? Jesus...what a nonsense 😤😤
Look at all the civilians that were killed in Afghanistan, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Syria and Ukraine by Russia and the USSR.
@@vega9155 Yes, you're right.
You forgot to mention how the Russians asked the UN to investigate and UK denied the request! You didn't mention what the corpses would smell like after 2 weeks out in the open! So much you omitted. It's sad.
не упустили, а замолчали, в этом вся суть пропаганды
@ChrisCatify1 If only you had a reason rather than just what you're not so sure about. YOu didn't notice the Brit spectators weren't holding their noses as they examined 3-week old putrified corpses? Duh? You're not smart enough to judge the smartness of others.
@ChrisCatify1 I'll bet that the guy with the same education as Mr. Spock, Science and Mathematics of Gambgling, is on the other side of the bell curve from you.
WHO Said that russians?
I think russian people need to learn their geography and History where they territories begans and finishes next time Not to bei mistakenly on another Land and dont say its our taking map also Help them ... Donbass on territory Ukraine or russia? In General is IT near russia or its Look Like Peterburg moscow and russia i think No....so ukrainian wanted kill russian but attacked theirselves Not russia in russia many russiana its more logical to Attack russia or Not? Or Somebody attacked Ro russia there is war and we dont know ? So ukrainian damaged own country infrustructure killed own people and wanted kill russians very logical
The bodies remainded on the same position and the same state of lack of signs of decomposition after 2 weeks in wet warm weather ? How’s that possible ? Also white arm bands worn by civilians as a symbol of neutrality and Russian army issued green boxes with food for civilians by some dead bodies ? Bucha population was 40 % Russian . Do we know identity and nationality of murdered civilians? Was Ukrainian roque militia present there ? These guys refuse to be a part of regular army . These are my questions for the host of the video . I think they are logical and well informed host of this video should be able to answer them.
Same in Mariupol... Only %0.9 of people in mariupol talk ukrainian at home, the rest russian... Azov killed people there, in horrific ways, then blamed russians for it. If you know the area, you can tell what's going on...
Ukrainian national police literally put out a report that they were going to Bucha to 'cleanse' the area of Russian Saboteurs and collaborators. They also put out a video when they first arrived in Bucha and I think there was one body present in the entire video. Seems suspicious to me
@@climan5201 people making russia look bad at this point because putin said at first that he wanted to liberate people if he wanted to kill people he would've done so. He's going after the azov battalion and the president. There's even a report saying that russia said there are bio labs in ukraine and there are human trafficking going on. I saw a source saying russia freed 35,000 people from a place where they were slaved by the Ukrainian troops. But russia is a boogeyman 🙄
@@climan5201 Do you have any proof
I'm just skeptic about your information source
@@anghuyphamnguyen3096 check Patrick Lancaster youtube channel. He's in Mariupol now.
If something is titled 'Fact Check' and is presented by generic man in suit with zero experience or expertise on that which he is discussing, I'm inclined to immediately question what is being sold.
And if a commenter ignores that forensic experts were also consulted, I start to get suspicious. Do you think Vladimir Putin has committed an appalling war of aggression and should spend the rest of his life in jail for it?
@@stopscammingman Scott Ritter has spoken at length about the forensic investigation on site there. Worth a look at both sides. I'm no Putin 'apologist', but I'm even less so a fan of Zelensky. There are indeed war crimes being committed here, I'm just reluctant at this point to be absolute in my opinion. All I know is, the people that are benefitting from this are not the ordinary Ukrainian civilians. They deserve infinitely better than being treated as collateral damage in a game of chess.
@@stopscammingman Scott Ritter has spoken at length about the forensic investigation on site there. Worth a look at both sides. I'm no Putin 'apologist', but I'm even less so a fan of Zelensky. There are indeed war crimes being committed here, I'm just reluctant at this point to be absolute in my opinion. All I know is, the people that are benefitting from this are not the ordinary Ukrainian civilians. They deserve infinitely better than being treated as collateral damage in a game of chess.
@@myfineeye Strange you didn't answer the question. Let's try again. Do you think Vladimir Putin has committed an appalling war of aggression and should spend the rest of his life in jail for it?
@@stopscammingman I don’t know enough facts to make that decision. I don’t know why you are getting so eggy! That’s my entire point! Us ordinary folk don’t know the true facts, so it’s a futile Putin = Bad, Zelensky = Good, argument. The fact that vast swathes of humankind are incapable of nuanced thought is exactly the reason we get into these messes in the first place. My original comment only served to highlight the ludicrous title of ‘Fact Check’, on an article providing little in the way of factual evidence, presented by a person who doesn’t look as if he has spent a day on the ground in Ukraine, experiencing first hand what is happening (indeed in could be wrong), yet with a clear agenda to spin and promote a certain narrative. To provoke exactly the kind of response you have given.
The way to find out what happened is an investigation by 3rd party. There’s circumstantial evidence that it was not Russian soldiers who committed this war crime so it’s important that we acknowledge that we don’t know and it deserves investigation. Some civilians were surely killed by the shelling between Russia and Ukraine in that area, both sides would’ve likely killed civilians, though Ukrainian shelling would’ve been incoming to this area as Russia was the one occupying bucha. Those are horrific but not technically war crimes. Then when it comes to the torture and execution of civilians, we’ve seen many videos of Ukraine forces committing the exact same crimes against Russian soldiers near bucha, just days before, but also similar crimes against pow’s and Ukrainian civilians across the country throughout this war and against other ukrainians in the east for the last 8 yrs. Also, the executed civilians were wearing, or tied up with, the white bands of fabric that are used to signal “Russian friendly” during the conflict. The day before the announcement of the bucha crimes, Ukrainian state police instead of announcing bucha war crimes, announced on social media that the Russians left so they will now seek out Russian collaborators left over in bucha. That white fabric around civilians arms would not be a welcomed statement. The day before this, the bucha mayor made a video from bucha to announce the Russians left and claimed a Ukrainian victory in bucha, without any mention of a horrific mass crime scene that would’ve been around him. The satellite images provided are not dated and there should be distinction between those killed by shelling vs by execution. And if you think about it, what would Russians gain with this crime, and leaving it for the world to make them out as mass war criminals, vs Ukraine gaining billions in further military and monetary international support. Just saying we can’t simply rush to judge based on the side we think is good or bad. Facts matter.
It’s possible it was Russian soldiers but it’s far from obvious, if you know the facts. Twice Russia requested U.N. meeting and investigation and was vetoed twice by the UK. Why would UK do that? Without a true investigation, we’ll never know the truth. Very unfortunate
I am not sure it matters what happened anymore.... They are doing the typical 'can you prove russia didn't do it?' Technicque...
When they start making possible allogations and ask people to prove them wrong, it seems like the facts don't matter anymore. They have done this with the most outlandish allogations imaginable.... The technique is this: they make a claim that is outlandish, they back up that claim with a bombarment of factual statments, some of wich are clearly true and others that are clearly fabricated, if some of those claims are adjacent to the allogation, they keep on saying that they are proof that the allogation is true because it is adjacent to the allogation.
They need to approve the lend-lease act to Ukraine which happened days after the bucha war crimes announcement
A detailed explanation for those who have a brain.
Look for who benefits.
The question of what one would gain by commiting such an atrocious massacre is a loaded question that assumes some sort of rationality, but the whole of the war in Ukraine lacks it from the Russian perspective. The only thing it will achieve is further NATO enlargement.
U’ve made very detailed suggestion however the answer is so simple. The pictures from satellites were taken on 18,19 and 31st of March during Russian occupation. The dead bodies were already laying on the streets of the city. This is real genocide. Raping woman and kids, killing innocent people. So horrible..
DW is proving nothing yet to me. Please do more. Why would you leave bodies on the street for weeks ? Thats unrealistic.
You want the soldiers after they shot them to properly bury them?
@@PewPewPawZ I spoke to grandpa. Bodies are collected and buried. No matter what. Just think about it for a minute.
Considering heavy military vehicles they used its weird all bodies were all this time right in the road and stayed not damaged by wheels ..
@@b00_2 Ever heard about the mass grave near the town church?
bucha
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Body with white armband
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Would a Russian soldier mistakenly shoot a pro-Russian wearing a white armband？🤔
the body on the street has white arm band worn by Russian separatists...Ukrainian army wears yellow or blue this was one of the arguments ...
Please DW do not mislead us; you are supposed to be the best of journalism. Do not insult our intelligence
If you claim to be partial (as in the opinion section of a newspaper), you need to tell us. I am OK with that.
If you claim to be impartial but your reports are actually partial, I am not OK with that
A massacre of this scale makes sense only if somebody wants to discredit the Russians.
You talk like a Russian bot.
Or if the russians wanted to plunder. Which they did.
it was staged
Turkish newspaper “Aydınlık” published an article about Bucha. The material analyses the events that took place at the end of March - beginning of April and establishes the following chronology:
On March 30, 2022, units of the Russian Armed Forces left Bucha (a day after the negotiations in Istanbul).
03/31/2022 - information about the withdrawal of Russian troops was confirmed by the mayor of Buchi, smiling in the video and talking about victory.
On April 1, 2022, Ukrainian formations entered the city.
Until April 3, Ukrainian media did not report any corpses on the streets and did not publish photographs of them.
On April 3, 2022, locals began to claim that the city streets were full of corpses of civilians and mass graves had been discovered.
According to the Turkish publication, the situation in Bucha was staged by the West to increase pressure on Moscow. The implementation of the “project” followed a well-known scenario: photographs, headlines in Western media, accusations from Zelensky, Western leaders one after another condemning the Russian Federation, new sanctions, expulsion of Russian diplomats.
Attempts by the Russian Federation to convey information through the UN Security Council were suppressed by the British. Statements by Russian diplomats were suppressed by Western authorities or presented in a different context. In addition, newspaper columnist Tevfik Kadan announced that the date of shooting of Maxar satellite images was manipulated, based on which the NYT accused Russia. NYT journalists claimed that civilians, at least 11 people, were killed three weeks before the withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces, that is, from March 9 to 11. However, the Maxar satellite at that time was in a completely different place and flew over the specified region on February 28 and April 1. In addition, meteorological data from the SunCalc program (angle of the Sun above the horizon, shadows, etc.) confirms that the NYT satellite image was taken at 11:57 GMT on April 1. That is, 2 days after the withdrawal of units of the Russian Armed Forces from Bucha.
@new_militarycolumnist
0:10 a "killed" civilian on the right removes his hand from the passing car. 🤣
Very strange .. how many were killed in this 'execution' mode ? .. how many on the street ? .. there is no single footage of the executions taken by any phone ? .. they left Butcha and leave the evidence on sight for days ?
Very strange ..
I am confused... There were claims of mobile crematoriums used by Russian forces but somehow they never use them when they commit a crime... So incompetent in hiding crimes.
I watched similar show in Hong Kong in 2019 protest. The protesters said a lot of people were killed in the MTR station, but not a single picture was taken by anyone and not a single person came out saying their family member was missing or killed.
Funny enough, half of the people in Hong Kong believed the rumors.
Ukrop 'cleansing' operation. there is zero doubt. anyone claiming there is 'confusion' is blowing smoke
The russians took phones from citizens, as many as they could. Amnesty international has a 44 page report with interviews of the populace.
@@dawnmokmok5 Yup. At some point the West will run out of ethnic groups to lie to. They’re overusing this party trick.
Scott Ritter has an interesting take on this
The Guardian wrote that artillery strikes on Bucha were carried out at a time when the settlement was under the control of the Russian forces. The shelling was carried out with the use of 122-mm ZSH1 artillery shells stuffed with metal flechettes. However, the Russian troops simply could not strike artillery blows on the territory where they were stationed.
I'm curious how all these respectable newspapers are going to excuse this BS
the city is always damaged by fighting, it is inevitable. Your comment shifts responsibility from the defending party to the attacking party. If you want to see what the city looks like when the Russians storm it - look at Rubizhne, Volnovakha, Kreminna, Sumy. The main problem in Bucha is the large number of civilian executions, which stands out against other cities
the city is always damaged by fighting, it is inevitable. Your comment shifts responsibility from the defending party to the attacking party. If you want to see what the city looks like when the Russians storm it - look at Rubizhne, Volnovakha, Kreminna, Sumy. The main problem in Bucha is the large number of civilian executions, which stands out against other cities
@@francescalurie4481 Yeah, about Bucha, the evidence against Russian soldiers is ridiculous there
@@pushista9322 Brutality of the Russians. We can not only shell ourselves with mortars, but also eat children every morning with our pet bears...
the bodies were placed there by azov group , then said it was russia
Whatever DW says, the exact opposite is probably the truth
YOUR EXACTLY 120% RIGHT!
Why do they have white bands on their arms? And is there hard evidence that Ukrainian forces said they were going to “liquidate collaborators” before going in?
"Why do they have white bands on their arms?"
Central question.
You ever why you’ve got no friends?
unfortunately, all the facts point to the fact that it was a staging. Russian troops left the city of Bucha, and Ukrainian troops entered three days later. For three days there are no pictures, no video, no mention of the tragedy by the local authorities. All this is theater.
I also don't understand why DW cut off that line of Sergei, that was the same interview where he said that
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@@rootsnroll649 because it's DW
It happened, but the Russians did not do it, the thinking among knowledgeable people is the Ukrainian special police did.
After the mayor of Bucha proclaimed Bucha to have been liberated, special Ukrainian forces searched for remaining collaborators and saboteurs amongst the population and presumably arrested or executed them. Can this be verified?
see how the car has to maneuver because the victims are so close to the road. Do you really think if the russians are so brutal they will do it too? I think they'll just drive straight over it. And we would have seen very different picture. There have been so many Russians in other cities. Why a massacre only now. Because Ukraine is losing and needs more guns. In Europe arms supply is discussed critically. So that Europe makes the decision quickly, the brutal attacks on civilians are quickly staged. Or you can do it yourself and blame the Russians. Nobody will believe them anyway, because everyone hates Russians now.
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@@johnsalamito6212 The secretary of the Bucha council mentioned it before the mayor made an announcement. Also the bodies couldnt be tended to by the locals as the russians had a very strict "stay home and put your phones in the bag" policy.
Amnesty international has a 44 page pdf full of interview with the citizens in Bucha.
The best way to determining what has happened is a UN lead independent investigation but that has been refused by UK twice who is the Chair person of UN security council
The UN Security Council had vetoed Russian intervention for 8 years as 14,000 people died in Donbas. So no one should be surprised.
The head of the delegation of the United Kingdom, Barbara Woodward, explained that she received this request on April 3, and in response suggested that the Russian side hold a joint meeting together with the already scheduled meeting on Ukraine on April 5 or hold a meeting after that. According to Woodward, she did not violate the 48-hour deadline given to the President of the Security Council to fulfill the request. However, the Russian delegation rejected both proposals.
@@grace_kelly627 Speaking of: There were only TWO countries that voted against condemning S I Z A N < . The -U- know who -S- and -U- - -A- .
There will never be a proper investigation. The damage is already done unjustifiably against -RUS- , from the very first day!
In short: The OP is correct.
Satellite images not dated, victims wearing white fabric that stands for pro Russia. No one speaking of the incident until 4 days after Ukrainian occupation. What would Russia gain from doing this? Who actually benefits front this?
Even locals are not shown to tell who did it.. because they know it’s Azov
Azov?🤦♀️🤦♀️
Why weren't the bodies blown up from the internal gasses, as if they had been laying there for days? They looked fresh
The footage of 2:05 show a pro-russia Ukrainian. He's wearing a 'white armband'
This is like children speaking about something they know little about. For more in depth military analysis try
1,Former U.S. Marine, and U.N. Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter,
2 Ex U.S. Army Colonel Douglas McGregor,
3 U.S Prof & Economist Jeffery sachs,
4, U.S Prof John Mearsheimer
Well guys, have you heard of Azov Battalion? Those guys could very well doing that and they aren't shy to do it to their own people, so EVERYONE can point fingers to Russia on every horrible thing. This is more to this war than just Russia attacking, learn about Donbass region what was going there for 8 years to Russian people by Azov and Kievan government and check both sides of the story.
Agreed !! Both sides have comitted terrible war crimes period….
And when it happened in Gaza, you see it from a different angle. check that fact too!!
Have always wondered in war reporting how you can talk about fact checking when you don't have reporters on the ground interviewing eyewitnesses and getting them to speak.
We have assumptions, that's all we have. The only thing that is certain is that civilians have been victims of acts of war.
They had reporter on ground + eyewitness as well. You should watch this full video before make a comment on it, LMFAO. XD
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Why would the Russians murder people wearing white armbands ie showing support for Russia?
Amnesty international has a 44 page pdf document filled with interviews, go check it out if you want to know just how hunnic these troops are.
Why did the UK reject an investigation????
Still have people who believe to mainstream media 😒
The “ fact checker” did not question the mayor’s victory speech and failure to report the massacre. Nor the claim that many victims had white armbands, symbols of being friendly to Russians. Also the documented executions of “ collaborators” and Russian sympathizers by nationalist security units
So why did so many Ukrainian civilians report Russian soldiers committing war crimes in Bucha?
@@Anon_1003 Old news. Danilova is fired for making up the reports.
Sophisticated, cynical disinformation.
@@borisbritva7453 And?
@@Anon_1003 The people in the mass graves were killed by the Ukrainian 122mm artillery. The civilians shot in the streets were killed by "Safari" unit of the Ukrainian national guard. The homes were looted by the Ukrainian TerOborona units. Rape stories are made up by HRC Danilova.
So the Russians killed 20 people and couldn't hide the bodies and just left them On both sides of the street in this theatrical way ? Come on
They think we have 5 y/o brain 😂🤭
As see another footage the bodies are nowhere near decomposed enough to have been there as long as was claimed the incident was faked
are you a anatomist? justify
there was also video when they showed fresh blood on body that was quite decomposed ,,,fresh blood stained examiners gloves but you can see that body is quite decomposed already
The projectiles (shrapnel) found in most of the bodies in Bucha are from artillery ammunition that Ukraine uses, and that Russia stopped using some time ago (soviet made). Look it up.
Try explaining that to all the sheeple😆
Most of the dead died from gunfire, not artillery. The bodies who had their hands bound behind their backs died from gunfire......are you honestly saying that the Ukranians liberated Bucha, then executed hundreds of locals, placed the bodies around the town, somehow doctored satellite images from during the Russian occupation, and coached ALL of the remaining locals to implicate the Russians? Are you insane? Honestly, are you insane?
Yes. They are from old Tochka-U missiles that deploy cluster bombs. -RUS- uses the Iskandar.
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You skirted around the whole subject that the Russians were not even there when those people were killed! Your fact checking is full of lies and doesn't even take into account that the corpses in the mass body staging area did have armbands and leaflets from Russians which was the exact threat that Azov and ukrainians already said they were going to execute civilians who had leaflets to direct them to civilian escape corridors allowed by Russia.
Also the Russians had left their 14 days ago and those corpses were freshly killed. How do you fact check that one... You liars, and manipulators of Truth!
There are claims that British special forces (the SAS) are responsible for the killings. Have you heard?
Actually satellite images showed the bodies lying for days while Russians were present
@@carlosmedina1281 I will bet almost anything that that was an absolute falsehood. If you will post a link with that information and or video corroboration, that I won't pick apart from here to Sunday anyway, then I will think you're trying to tell the truth.
Something else. Why didn't the Americans release the satellite photos of the dead bodies on March 19 instead they waited till April to release them?
Source?
How does a mayor not know bodies are on the streets of his own city. The western media, the WSJ said they'd been there for weeks. Yet the mayor did know?
He knew, in an interview with an italian news magazine he disclosed it but the magazine lists no source. The next best thing is a statement by Taras Shapravsky, the secretary of the Bucha City Council on march 31st, which talked about the bodies even before the mayor's announcement.
@@javierititin When was the interview? Not a creditable source, "an Italian news magazine." Definitely didn't know when the Russian military first left. Definitely didn't know in other sources.
@@ewalker1057 Adnkronos, interview was from March 28th. And Sergei Lavrov said himself that the russian forces had evacuated Bucha on March 31st.
EDIT: Wrote Febuary 28th, meant March 28th. Oops.
@@javierititin @javierititin So you're saying those bodies were there from February 28th until March 31st? There's still no evidence, particularly forensic of an interview or what happened Bucha. Others claim there was a cleansing order that went out after the Russian military left. It was to cleanse Bucha of citizens that took assistance (food, medical supplies..) from or interacted with the Russian military. As results, Zelensky and his government passed a law making it treasonous to interact with Russian military. It's punishable by 15 years in prison.
@@ewalker1057 I edited my reply, I meant March 28th and wrote February. But no it wouldn't be from March 28th, even earlier, at latest March 25th. If you look at the satellite images you can see it's particularly sunny, but if you look at historic weather in Bucha you'll find that the last sunny day in Bucha before the publication of the NYT article with the satellite images (april 4th) was on March 25th. Also worth noting, March 19th was a sunny afternoon, further legitimizing the claims that they were taken at that date.
As for cleansing, it seems more likely that the russian army simply looted everything in that area. While not all of bucha was pillaged, some of it was and the russians didn't care for all the lives they took.
Also no, interacting with the russian military in occupied territory and accepting rations from them is not a crime, publishing russian slogans will get you detention for 30 days and painting military targets for them to bomb will land you in jail or have you killed depending on the severity. Not an ideal set of laws but necessary in war time.
I believe the real truth is that ukranian soldiers who executed russians POWs and posted their video on 30 march(you can find it on UA-cam, very gory), and next day used those corpses to stage the scene.
Just ask oneself the following 1 critical question.
Why Russia, and not Ukraine, asks for an independent investigation by the UN?
Because it's a classic tactic on their part... & you evidently fell for it.
If only Russia would let UN do that. If only Russia let anybody to enter and check it...
@@kosteros I WOULD SAY UKRAINE'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF RUSSIAN SPEAKING PEOPLE, IS GENOCIDE & THIS IS WHY RUSSIA WENT TO PUT AN END TO IT IN UKRAINE! AZOV = HOLLYWOOD MSM MOSSAD = LIARS Ukraine bombed Ukrainians TELL THE TRUTH BECAUSE HISTORY HASN'T
BECAUSE NATO IS SCAPEGOATING RUSSIA AND AZOV IS FRAMING RUSSIA
The images from the satellite company should show the date and time of the images. The date of the Images were all typed in by DW in this video. That means they can type in whatever date they want. I am not saying DW is lying, but there is possibility that the fact check is not genuine. To be convinced, I would like to see the images of other streets in the area on March 19, 2022, because I am sure that the company would scan the whole town at that very moment.
If they couldn’t provide other images, it means everything was staged. The satellite image were actually created after March.
Scott Ritters point of view on it, weighs a LITTLE bit more.
How about fact checking Russias official claim of who actually did Bucha?
Yes it's a "who" controversy more than anything.
@@ianinkster2261
You ever why you’ve got no friends?
End it pig
Why should I believe the western media? Why?
Believe the raw footage.
Why do you believe Russian media,
@@AstroGremlinAmerican It could be manipulated. Watch a documentary called Ukraine on Fire and decide for yourself
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Who said I believe them? I have studied the conflict and I believe NATO and allies are the instigators of this needless war. It is shocking that the puppet president is playing ball with Russia to please them at the expense of innocent civilians who want nothing to do with the war. Watch a documentary called Ukraine on Fire and be the judge. FYI, I am totally against the war but informed enough to see through the deceit
@@royalchoicetravelltd You're wrong, or you didn't "study" hard enough.
Needless war indeed. Putin concern trolls about dead Russians in Donbass while he was the one using them as human shields for 8 years. Innocent civilians, like the ones in the MH17 shot down by 322 launcher from the 53rd anti air missile brigade. Which Russia brought out of the separatist region to hide the evidence.
Yes, the documentary by Oliver Stone, the American who makes a point to love all antagonists. A friend of Hugo Chavez, even. I'm sure he's unbiased.
Why does the Ukrainian soldiers secure footages with low resolution cameras and without the presence of international journalists? The pictures looks terrible but a tacky aftertaste remains.
I don’t know how anyone can sit in the same room with Lavrov or Nebenzya.
I don’t know how they can live with themselves or sleep at night. They should go to Bucha and shake hands with some of the corpses. I’d say more but rules don’t allow me to say what I really think.
Warm greetings from Kazakhstan. People should not be surprised at all. Russia and its special paramilitary groups are also behind the tragic events in Kazakhstan this January. Russian mercenaries and war criminals killed protesters, bystanders, women and children in Kazakhstan in their desperate attempt to support their puppet president Tokayev... Russia truly lacks any morals and is evil indeed...
The same way people sit in the same room with US and Israeli leaders/diplomats/war criminals.
Indeed. No one will ever be able to believe anything Lavrov says again, after these obvious lies about something so horrible.
There must be universities in Russia that give degrees in “How to lie.”
Who would need to resort to desperate measures the 3 strongest military in the world, or the 33rd obviously the 3rd strongest can easially beat them without out need for desperate measures. In fact there is no benefit to Russia but big benefit to ukraine to get support
THE HISTORY AND THE DECISIOINS !!!!!!
I WANTED NOT TO IGNORE FOR AN ENNTH TIME A DETAIL OF NOT A LITTLE CONCERN THAT HISTORY TEACHES US !!!!
Bucha recalls the fact "The massacre in the forest of KATYN" in April 1943 by the Germans.
The German occupation troops claimed to have discovered a huge mass grave in Soviet territory in which the bodies of about 4500 Polish officers already prisoners of the Russians were buried.
The propagandists of the axis were offered the possibility of creating a FRACTURE (AS IT HAPPENED TODAY) in the allied front. And they succeeded in full, because the Soviets, faced with the evidence, reacted angrily, accusing the Germans of the slaughter. (HOW IT HAPPENED TODAY)
But the clumsy and evasive way in which they excused themselves only served to embarrass the allies and aggravate suspicions.
It seemed evident that it had been the Russians.
When the war was over, the whole question of liability was prudently dismissed during Nuremberg, so for more than 20 years it continued to be a puzzling problem JUST BECAUSE NO INQUIRIES WERE DONE.
Two writers, one English and one Soviet, offered two contrasting versions of the fact in the 1970s.
It was proved that it was the Germans who committed the massacre by blaming the Soviets WITH EVIDENCE IN HAND (THE RED CROSS FOUND IN THE SKULLS OF KILLED POLISH SOLDIERS, GERMAN BULLETS) .... although the western one might seem a much more 'convincing.
This version, which lasted over the years, until today, changed its version several times ... again and again.
Papers, admissions of guilt and overturns of the case with counter overturns, etc., turned up.
What HISTORY TEACHES is THAT if a serious and impartial commission does not come into play, one cannot argue beyond the fact that it would remain a ghost story.
Bucha like Katyn could end up the same way and thus go unpunished.
It is certainly important to clarify with an external commission created by neutral countries as soon as possible.
BECAUSE?
The effect it has had in the world, as now on the axis, is today a source of important government DECISIONS and is a source of direct and indirect separations on the people.
INCREDIBLE that history repeats itself and that foolish man does not understand.
Thanks
6 months later: "We're hunting them down and shooting them like pigs': How the Ukrainians are taking brutal revenge on the collaborators who've betrayed their neighbours - and country"
"‘A hunt has been declared on collaborators and their life is not protected by law,’ said Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to the interior ministry."
Hmmmm why is nobody talks about the fragments found in the bodies? The same shells filled by needles/darts fired by Ukrainian artillery. Are those amunitions not banned by the Geneva Convention? Did ukraine accidentally killed there civilians and blamed the russians?
2:07 is that a white arm-band on the person's hand/arm?
End it pig ☠️
I see a misleading info here. And signalling you that people interviewed were actually speaking about Kiev combatants not Russians. Show, please, the entire interviews. Especially question about beginning of their answers.
The mayor of Bucha, Anatoly Fedoruk, or his brother "did not mention any dead bodies" when they "first" entered Butcha. They spoke of the Russian retreat and how they were relieved. Somehow, this video footage has disappeared. What's going on?!
The mayor of Bucha appeared on TV shortly after Russian troops undertook a tactical withdrawal from the area, and he was outwardly jubilant, exclaiming that "Ukrainian forces had liberated Bucha", but never mentioning scores of bodies lying out in the open on the streets, because there weren't yet any bodies, otherwise there is simply no way that it would not have gone completely unmentioned at the time. Subsequently Ukranian security forces arrived in town within a day or two, announcing online that they would be hunting in the area for "Russian collaborators". Next thing you know, pictures and video mysteriously emerge of dead bodies scattered about on roadways. One thing the bodies had in common in photos of the crime scene was that they were almost all either wearing white armbands, or their hands were bound or they were blindfolded with remnants of white cloth, presumably also white armbands. It happens that Russian troops had instructed civilians in the area who were not hostile to Russian troops to signal as much by wearing white armbands. Russians had been providing civilians in the area with food and/or rations. Suspect homes were searched and anyone caught with Russian army rations in their possession was considered a "Russian collaborator". The above information is factual. Draw your own conclusions.
yes it was strange for me too...i have seen video of mayor happy and smiling after liberation ..ukrainian troops wear blue or yellow armbands ,russian supporters-white ones
here was also video when they examined body -body was quite decomposed but there was fresh blood on it which stained examiners gloves-which was also strange,im not saying it was staged but something is not adding up over there
Seeing Sergey Lavrov engage in such blatant denialisim after such a public reveling of this atrocity is horrifying. This is like holocaust denial days after the liberation of the first concentration camp. I am glad to see GW debunking this stuff. Because if Russia is denying that this happened now. So soon after the events. Just imagine what they will do 10 or 20 years from now. When the events are not so present in the public eye. Never forget.
One should always remember that the first holocaust actually in namibia shark island the nama and herero people.
@@laxmanCPWDJE Russian bots are beginning to assume Indian names.
@@laxmanCPWDJE Pint-sized Putin will be hanging from the rafters before the decade is over :) Russia is done as a sovereign nation. NATO will wipe out an entire generation of your young men.
@@Sam-nb8ev but the question is, is he right? Thats what matters.
@@FilipChilyan He is not. Russians started retreating on March 30, fully left on March 31 morning. There is still public video taken from the car from April 1 showing bodies on the streets. The satelite images aren't only from March 31, but from March 9, March 10 (that's when mass grave being digged up is visable), March 11, March 20 and March 21. On all images there are new bodies appearing.
The very first video from Bucha shows damaged vehicles on the rod but no bodies. Bucha mayor also says that town is clean.
Also there are videos of first entrance of ukrainian forces to Bucha and one soldier asks " There are guys without blue bands on arms. Can I shoot them?" Another soldier answers "You f..g bet!"
Also all victims have white bands on arms, and white is a colour of Russian froces and pro-Russian civilians. Ukrainians wear blue or yellow bands.
Witness accounts are emerging in volumes that in Mariupol Asov fighters killed huge numbers of sivilians who tried to flee, that Azov bombed the residential quarters in gruesom ways in order to attribute these atrocities to russian forces, that Azov fighters shot people when they even tried to emerge from the basements and even inside the basements. Azov fighters deliberately placed heavy artillery in the residential quarters. Their snipers occupied private apartments by force and held residents as hostages. There were accounts of rape and many more of violent and inhuman behaviour towards civilians of Mariupol. All witnesses say they were scared of Azov.
You got this info from who exactly?
@@jb4775 Find Patrick Lancaster 's UA-cam channel and videos from a week ago or more . Where he talks to civilians right at the bombing sites and helps evacuate people .
Yes this is what I heard from people who live in these areas as well. Azov has been committing atrocities not just in this war but for the last 8 years... Disgraceful reporting by the DW...
@@jb4775 I guess Patrick Lancaster.
Those satellite images aren't from March 19th, you liars!
Is Bucha topic not popular any more with evidence showing the Ukrainian army is ‘highly likely’ responsible?
What evidence? Who said the Ukrainian army is "highly likely responsible"...? Name the person or source.
The images from the satellite company should show the date and time of the images. The date of the Images were all typed in by DW in this video. That means they can type in whatever date they want. I am not saying DW is lying, but there is possibility that the fact check is not genuine. To be convinced, I would like to see the images of other streets in the area on March 19, 2022, because I am sure that the company would scan the whole town at that very moment.
If they couldn’t provide other images, it means everything was staged. The satellite image were actually created after March.
Russian bot spotted in the wild
You have posted the same exact message under every comment with more than like three replies.
@@hansmo7013 what he said is reasonable, the UN council also refused a thorough investigation
Turkish newspaper “Aydınlık” published an article about Bucha. The material analyses the events that took place at the end of March - beginning of April and establishes the following chronology:
On March 30, 2022, units of the Russian Armed Forces left Bucha (a day after the negotiations in Istanbul).
03/31/2022 - information about the withdrawal of Russian troops was confirmed by the mayor of Buchi, smiling in the video and talking about victory.
On April 1, 2022, Ukrainian formations entered the city.
Until April 3, Ukrainian media did not report any corpses on the streets and did not publish photographs of them.
On April 3, 2022, locals began to claim that the city streets were full of corpses of civilians and mass graves had been discovered.
According to the Turkish publication, the situation in Bucha was staged by the West to increase pressure on Moscow. The implementation of the “project” followed a well-known scenario: photographs, headlines in Western media, accusations from Zelensky, Western leaders one after another condemning the Russian Federation, new sanctions, expulsion of Russian diplomats.
Attempts by the Russian Federation to convey information through the UN Security Council were suppressed by the British. Statements by Russian diplomats were suppressed by Western authorities or presented in a different context. In addition, newspaper columnist Tevfik Kadan announced that the date of shooting of Maxar satellite images was manipulated, based on which the NYT accused Russia. NYT journalists claimed that civilians, at least 11 people, were killed three weeks before the withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces, that is, from March 9 to 11. However, the Maxar satellite at that time was in a completely different place and flew over the specified region on February 28 and April 1. In addition, meteorological data from the SunCalc program (angle of the Sun above the horizon, shadows, etc.) confirms that the NYT satellite image was taken at 11:57 GMT on April 1. That is, 2 days after the withdrawal of units of the Russian Armed Forces from Bucha.
@new_militarycolumnist
Ukraine civilians have said that the Ukraine army have been using civilians as human shields and Ukraine army have been shooting some of the civilians in the back.
Who said that?
Link please.
@@dainiusstankevicius5917 I guess either Patrick Lancaster or Scott Ritter.
Will you cover the ongoing massacre of civilians in mariupol by Ukrainian forces next? Seems to be a lot of people denying that despite clear as day footage of it happening
What clear as day footage?
Which side has fired the most bullets and missiles and dropped the most bombs in the battle of Mariopol? Russian or Ukraine?
Which side has the most troops in this battle?
Which side has encircled the city and is fighting towards the centre with street battles in residential areas, rockets and and tanks?
Which side has a military doctrine of attacking civilian targets displayed in recent conflicts like Chechnya 1996-2009, or now in Syria?
Which side has used cluster munitions and thermobaric weapons in civilian areas?
Why would Ukraine massacre it's own citizens, why would the soldiers obey orders to massacre their own people?
Shane.. where is your 'clear as day' proof? Give me the links please!
@@Valen_Wolf check out what people and ukranian soldiers are saying
@@motimobo which side is indiscriminately firing into to civilian areas? Which side is shelling non military targets? Which side is being welcomed upon arrival? Which side do the people there say they support? Couldn't care less who has what weapons, what they do with them is what matters
@@motimobo If the Ukraine soldiers are hiding In civilian apartments, shoping centers, churches, while at the same time shooting at the Russian soldiers. Then the apartments become a legitimate military target.
Well, I just learnt Buča wasnt the worst warcrime of this week (Mali) and Ukraina probably wasnt the dethliest war last week (Yemen) so watching this socialmedia wannabees triing to make some journalist content is just .... Ye, when you reported 1000's of people all across the world came to help Ukraina and then you reported 1000's of foreign mercenaries came to fight for Russia, I had picture in my head they all came for spring season of gardening and planting flowers. what kind of picture did you have when you ware reporting? So ppl are death, shot by bullet, assumingly not local (cause noone local would not left ppl of own community laying on the street for 14 days), left on the street so everyone can see, even satellite.
@@henryg3313 The real warcrime here (or in any war) is our national TV sand reporters to this places not speaking Russian nor Ukrainian just to pump up pro-war santiment. In reality there are 40 mio Ukrainien and 5 mio Russian speaking ppl and 1000's of well armed killer frenzy nutshells on the both sides.
The execution of collaborators after the occupiers retreat is nothing new and deserves investigation of the victims background. The whole thing is awful and deserves a full investigation.
What Bullets killed them? The Russians and the Ukrainians use different ammunition.
When were they killed, any autoposies showing time of death?
Who were the dead civilians, were they wearing anything that showed they supported Russia or Ukraine?
интересно, почему всё это произошло только в маленьком посёлке, хотя Россия контролирует огромную территорию Украины
My best guess would be that the soldiers responsible were under the command of an unhinged sadist or maybe just happened to be a pack of barbarians from the get-go. I don't know much about military command structure, but I have heard horror stories of "special" units in different armies who were unusually twisted and bloodthirsty.
@@warrioroflight6872 BS
One thing I don't understand though. Russia mentioned staging and that they had left already. Atrocities are and have surely been committed on Ukranian territory and in the Eastern provinces since at least 2014.
War makes people beasts. This needs to end before these soldiers all go more mad and mentally unstable.
But my main question is - why are some of the bodies wearing white armbands? No blue arm-bands, only white? Isn't that pro-Russian?
If so, is Russia not mentioning this because they assume their side is killing civilians? However, why is reporting that accounts for available knowledge regardless of origin so difficult to come by?
They are not hard to come by. All you have to do is look. For instance:
FROM *A Truth Seeker* channel.
*"Bucha massacre" - (Part 1)*
*"Bucha massacre" - (Part 2)*
SEARCH for the channel first, then the videos. ... Spread these videos!
They basically just pillaged the place. Most of Bucha isn't that littered with bodies it's just a few streets. Since most civs were compelled to stay home and had their phones confiscated, you wouldn't find these photos anywhere.
Well done. Even in peacetime nobody trusts anyone anymore. 'Alternate facts' cannot be tolerated. Journalists need to do much more of this.
they wont be able to do anythimg the more they try the worse it will get, the moment the people see their desperation to sell zelinskis massaker as putins thats the moment it gets pointless.
Journalist now is story maker now
"The first casualty of war is truth"
What does that white bracelet mean, that white bracelet that some of the dead wear?
Can you explain the background of Maxar's CEO? Daniel L Jablonsky. His name is originally from Poland or Ukraine, he has a Navy background.
Could it be that those who benefit from it are actually the perpetrators?
@@johanpire1413 Those white rag bracelets mean "I am a civilian and I am loyal to you" - they were tied by civilians in Russian-controlled places. Russian soldiers distributed food in bags - humanitarian aid. Some of the dead are lying with such a bag. Doesn't it seem strange, does it?
Maybe SOMEONE "dealt" with the collaborators after the Russians left?
if only NATO listened to Russia back in 2009...............................
Why aren’t we this upset about Yemen or South Sudan
Bodies left in the street decompose pretty quick these look look like freshly killed...
Any answers on this??
"Accuse others for what we did/are going to do."
-KGB tactic
It is CIA-standart
LOL 😂 sounds exactly like an American tactic
@@AnnaK-qw2qf yes comrade 1.5 million didn't die in Iraq you fool .
@@AnnaK-qw2qf oh so we drove the planes into the wtc?? smh stop being so misleading
@@GABRIEL-pd3uy so why were planes flown into WTC, because America ______.. Answer the question for full marks 👍
All I got to say is you need to listen to retired us marine intelligence officer Scott Ritter.
My favorite thing about Fact Check is, when they tell the public something isn’t true, I always know that means it is true.
Found the russian troll.
Where are the 300 people shot in the head in a mass grave . President Z said so and so did the mayor
genius! (no)
@@lexpavlinov9655 You definitely don’t have to be a genius to figure out the obvious . What’s wrong, are you one of the Democrat paid Fact Check Liars?
I have not watched this video. My guess is, it selectively is cherry picking items to fit western/Ukraine narrative. An international impartial forensic investigation should have been done. I am basing my opinion on the fact that the Russians have been moving slower than they need and taking precautions even at the expense of additional troops lost to keep civilians from harm. But more and more testimonials from civilians said Ukraine military uses civilian infrastructure for military purposes with is a war crime and makes civilian infrastructure a legitimate target. War needs to end and diplomacy needs to be given 1st priority instead of trying to prolong war to make money and achieve political foreign policy goals.
You never change the Russian narrative. However history tells a different story of how Russia has behaved.
That Russians don't behave like civilized people shouldn't be something new to people who know their history.
So yeah, the denial is quite hilarious. It's like the German people denying eating Bratwurst.
And what about how Americans behave
Find it funny we don’t hate the Russians when it’s benefiting us
@@johnpablo2772 YOU don’t hate Russians when they’re benefiting YOU and your power…don’t take everyone else down with your flakiness, the Pentagon’s been keeping a critical eye on the Russian Federation since the fall of the Soviet Union….you’re the only Ruski lover….even all they’re intelligent class left the country lol.
@@555rerun sound like A true American “patriot” you’re clown and America a joke
You’re just a brainwashed cnn puppet
Wake up go to work and pay your taxes because that’s the American thing to do. 👍CLOWN
in the past it was about orthodoxy now its about uighur style autonomy there is change i side with russia because i dont trust thd woke west they are the real extremists
This Ukraine narrative has been debunked and agreed upon by military experts
Maybe I missed it - was it explained why the mayor knew nothing about this tragedy on the 31st,or why an official video of the sweep of the city by police units on april 2nd shows only one victim,or what the Russians thought they had to gain by committing a ghastly atrocity & leaving the evidence lying around for the benefit of the western media? I'm genuinely open to persuasion there's a way to explain these inconvenient issues,but so far I've heard none that weren't laughably weak - we''ll know who did this only if these poor people are given genuinely independent autopsies (which side seeks to delay or avoid this process will be very revealing).
One survivor said it started out peacefully but the Russians got angrier over time.
quite obvious
The Maksar satellite flew over the region on February 28 and April 1, and not on March 9-11. In other words, on March 9-11, the satellite was in a completely different coordinate. It was also confirmed by meteorological data that the NYT satellite image refers to April 1, not March.
What does that mean?
@@yi5256 It means that NYT's investigation refers to images that actually were taken in April 1.
@@maries5584 A little correction, at 2:45 he says it was taken on March 18-19 according to Maksar, not March 9-11.
@@bradleywelch9290 I suppose that video refers to NYT's investigation, so I've read ther source: "To confirm when the bodies appeared, and when the civilians were likely killed, the Visual Investigations team at The Times conducted a before-and-after analysis of satellite imagery. The images show dark objects of similar size to a human body appearing on Yablonska Street between March 9 and March 11."
@@bradleywelch9290 Sattelites actually flew over the region in 19 March, but Images for March 19 are not presented in open catalog of Maxar. Moreover, they are not available for sale.
0:12 the "corpse" moves its hand. Great "evidence". No reason to think that the rest are different.
It doesn't.
@@javierititin it does
@@zeffy._440 the corpse's hand does not move, that's a raindrop on the windshield
@@javierititin The "corpse's" hand does move the raindrop did not hide that happening especially since it happened after the raindrop had moved away.
@@zeffy._440 It does not, and the raindrop did not hide anything. The "movement" is the raindrop passing by the body
People write that those satellite Mixar images are not available to be downloaded in Russia and Belorussian, access was blocked. And for everyone else they are available in low resolution, only for those dates. Why then?!?
You ever why you’ve got no friends?
You can tell when Lavrov lies, his lips move
You can tell that about any politician
Посмотрите разбор Бучи
DW is doing the work.
of lies..
just now check in Twitter and Video show that Ukrainian Military prepare dead body and filmed. I'm shocked. it's not Russia but it's Ukraine lie!!!
The images from the satellite company should show the date and time of the images. The date of the Images were all typed in by DW in this video. That means they can type in whatever date they want. I am not saying DW is lying, but there is possibility that the fact check is not genuine. To be convinced, I would like to see the images of other streets in the area on March 19, 2022, because I am sure that the company would scan the whole town at that very moment.
If they couldn’t provide other images, it means everything was staged. The satellite image were actually created after March.
Que conveniente que los cuerpos yacen separados asimetricamente y apartados del camino por el que transitan los autos con camaras y a la distancia correcta para ser filmados por los convoys que pasan por el lugar, and some st-upid people say good job, DW is doing the work, pathetic.
Exact
So not one video evidence from the actual massacre accounting that everyone there has a phone. That is really strange.
False go look it up several security camera vids and vids from people hiding in there houses are now out and show the evidence plus identifies some of the soldiers involved because they used phones off the victims to call bsck home since they arent allowed to carry their own while active
@@jpmj1340 False, that evidence have to be in UN's quarters as the Russian asked but it's not.
...why aren't the bodies bloated?
Турецкая газета “Айдынлык” опубликовала статью, в которой решила объективно разобраться в том, что на самом деле произошло в Буче.
В материале проведен анализ происходивших в конце марта - начале апреля событий и установлена следующая хронология.
30 марта - подразделения ВС РФ вышли из Бучи (день спустя после переговоров в Стамбуле).
31 марта - информацию об отводе российских войск подтвердил мэр Бучи, а затем в город вошли украинские формирования.
До 3 апреля украинские СМИ не сообщали ни о каких трупах на улицах и не публиковали фотографии с ними.
3 апреля местные начали утверждать, что улицы города полны трупов мирных жителей и обнаружены братские могилы.
По мнению турецкого издания, ситуация в Буче была инсценирована Западом для усиления давления на Москву.
Реализация "проекта" проходила по уже известному сценарию: фотографии, заголовки в западных СМИ, обвинения со стороны Зеленского, западные лидеры один за другим осуждают РФ, новые санкции, высылка российских дипломатов.
Попытки РФ донести информацию через СБ ООН пресекались британцами. Заявления российских дипломатов замалчивались западными и зданиями или преподносились в ином контексте.
Кроме того, обозреватель газеты Тевфик Кадан заявил о подтасовке даты съемки спутниковых снимков Maxar, на основании которых NYT обвинили Россию.
В частности, журналисты NYT утверждали, что мирные жители, по меньшей мере 11 человек, были убиты за три недели до вывода ВС РФ, то есть с 9 по 11 марта.
Однако спутник Maxar в это время находился совсем в другом месте, а над указанным регионом пролетал 28 февраля и 1 апреля.
Помимо этого, метеорологические данные от программы SunCalc (угол наклона Солнца над горизонтом, тени и т.д.) подтверждают, что спутниковый снимок NYT был сделан в 11:57 по Гринвичу 1 апреля. То есть через 2 дня после вывода подразделений ВС РФ из Бучи.
@new_militarycolumnist
Turkish newspaper “Aydınlık” published an article about Bucha. The material analyses the events that took place at the end of March - beginning of April and establishes the following chronology:
On March 30, 2022, units of the Russian Armed Forces left Bucha (a day after the negotiations in Istanbul).
03/31/2022 - information about the withdrawal of Russian troops was confirmed by the mayor of Buchi, smiling in the video and talking about victory.
On April 1, 2022, Ukrainian formations entered the city.
Until April 3, Ukrainian media did not report any corpses on the streets and did not publish photographs of them.
On April 3, 2022, locals began to claim that the city streets were full of corpses of civilians and mass graves had been discovered.
According to the Turkish publication, the situation in Bucha was staged by the West to increase pressure on Moscow. The implementation of the “project” followed a well-known scenario: photographs, headlines in Western media, accusations from Zelensky, Western leaders one after another condemning the Russian Federation, new sanctions, expulsion of Russian diplomats.
Attempts by the Russian Federation to convey information through the UN Security Council were suppressed by the British. Statements by Russian diplomats were suppressed by Western authorities or presented in a different context. In addition, newspaper columnist Tevfik Kadan announced that the date of shooting of Maxar satellite images was manipulated, based on which the NYT accused Russia. NYT journalists claimed that civilians, at least 11 people, were killed three weeks before the withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces, that is, from March 9 to 11. However, the Maxar satellite at that time was in a completely different place and flew over the specified region on February 28 and April 1. In addition, meteorological data from the SunCalc program (angle of the Sun above the horizon, shadows, etc.) confirms that the NYT satellite image was taken at 11:57 GMT on April 1. That is, 2 days after the withdrawal of units of the Russian Armed Forces from Bucha.
@new_militarycolumnist
This is so staged
An edited crime. Same as Racak Kosovo Serbia in 1999. Racak was dismantled in five minutes in The Hague, the Americans did it.
First my grandpa is from Kiev escaped to west during Russian control. So what I explain is to help better understanding to those unfamiliar with arm band practice that affects the conclusion and thus de-escalate provocative blaming.
2:07 The evidence of who is responsible for Bucha civilians killed in street is visible at 2:07. White armband clearly is seen around the arm of the person laying dead in the street.
You do not include close up video of any other of the several individuals left out on the street, but they also had white armbands on their arm except two who had it as a white armband tying their hands together behind their back and they were shot in the back of the head.
You can see from other videos on the Internet of people in donetz who want to tell the Russians that they’re not a problem that they support the Russians is they wear a white armband. In Ukrainian controlled areas, they use yellow armband To demonstrate solidarity with Ukraine.
Others sources indicate that a national guard of Ukraine posting prior to these revelations was they will go into the bucha area to clean out collaborators and saboteurs who many are suspected to be Russian troops dressed as civilians.
Thus It shouldn’t surprise us what it appears to be the true cause of the killings. Now it may actually be within the laws of war to kill troops dressed as civilians wearing white armbands who you can use that as proof they are collaborators and saboteurs. So I’m not saying that the Ukrainians did something necessarily wrong. My grandpa is from Kyiv, so I say this to promote peace - it may not necessarily be the Russians fault as everybody presupposes.
I'm afraid the satellite images speak for themselves. There were areas that were just shot out for no reason, likely to plunder and pillage while also keeping civilians in line.
FROM *A Truth Seeker* channel.
*"Bucha massacre" - (Part 1)*
*"Bucha massacre" - (Part 2)*
SEARCH for the channel first, then the videos. ... Spread these videos!
Dear Sir,
Your grandpa escaped to the west during Soviet control, not Russia's one. Since that time the country has changed dramatically. Communism has not been in power in Russia for 30 years by now and both political and economical systems there are the same as those in the west for the mentioned period of time. If you don’t understand this ‘little difference then your analysis does not make sense. I myself escaped that country in 1995 then I came back after 20 year absence and I saw it was quite different country. Please, do your homework firs before posting your comments.
See how bad the censorship has become because the truth is the opposite of what is in this video.
Douglas, But what about the dates of the satellite images?
So how did the mayor's video from the day Russians left had neither bodies, nor talk about bodies? So your story becomes bodies were there in several week, but disappeared the day Russians left and reappeared to days later?
It was Ukranian paramilitaries who did it.
"who does this benefit the most?" "why would X do this?" apply these questions to everything and things will make a lot more sense
It benefits the russians to ensure the population stays in line.
Absolutely.
Do you think Putin launched a war of aggression and should be incarcerated for war crimes for the rest of his life?
@@stopscammingman Are you kidding us ? :>
@@Pilum1000 Not a good answer
A question for zombies .... Why is there nothing like in Bucha in Kherson, Melitopol and Berdyansk, which are under the control of Russian troops
You ever why you’ve got no friends?
And in Russian (and in Ukrainian too :>) this word "bucha" means just "bustle-flurry-scramble-tumult-affray-dismay-fuss-etc"... I just see this image - the Zelensky or advisor Arestovich (who said "the national idea of Ukraine is to lie") just pokes at the map and says "This is where we will arrange this bucha - in the Bucha!"
Did the Ukrainian government go through with its plan of handing out weapons to civilians?
yes
If it’s yes, then end of discussion
And the bodies stayed there few weeks, you want to say to us or? I don't know what's really happened in Bucha, but i know that Ukrainian government has fired their women for the human rights and war crimes. Why, what do you think?
I didnt see one dead body in any footage they showed ...
What did you see?
the Russians confessed to this massacre.
On the social network "Vkontakte", russian soldier Mikhail Tkach, who was evacuated from the Kiev region, admitted that he had killed civilians and said that he would do it again when he returned to Ukraina
The problem is that we can find 100 people that will admit to it , and the people that are already excusing those they support will say they were paid or coerced or that they were never there. But the video is nearly impossible to deny once it is independently verified. I was not at all shocked at war crimes as every army has people that snap and do them , but the extent , and the fact they did this to little old ladies , kids etc....I am surprised they did not kill all the animals, but have been too much effort. Thanks for the post that someone confessed !
Anyone can be on this social network, including people interested in juggling the facts. It may not even be a soldier and not a Russian at all. Even I can write that I was there and throw a few photos from the Internet. I don't believe in this, because whoever confesses this will simply be killed by the authorities or put in prison forever. Russia doesn't need that kind of brutal footage, so the Russians wouldn't do this in Bucha and leave it like this for the media to see. This is a shot in the foot. It looks like a provocation on the part of Ukraine to ask for more weapons. Or they were mercenaries from other countries who are fighting on the side of Ukraine and do not obey any laws.
There is a video on the channel of the well-known Ukrainian nationalist "Bosun" where during the "liberation" of Bucha they give the order to "shoot at everyone who does not have blue armbands"
As for me, this is a direct proof of the guilt of the Ukrainian army.
I might doubt this if it was some kind of anonymous account, but here we are dealing with a verified account that was often referred to by Western media before. And what you write about, any student can stand for 10 minutes.
The images from the satellite company should show the date and time of the images. The date of the Images were all typed in by DW in this video. That means they can type in whatever date they want. I am not saying DW is lying, but there is possibility that the fact check is not genuine. To be convinced, I would like to see the images of other streets in the area on March 19, 2022, because I am sure that the company would scan the whole town at that very moment.
If they couldn’t provide other images, it means everything was staged. The satellite image were actually created after March.
@@canada9436 don't forget, after Russian army go away there was an interview with major of bucha, and he tell nothing about the crimes. The corps appears after
This is how fact checking should be done! With an open mind, not speaking in absolutes and asking the crowd for any additional evidence they know of.
And if that Vasily Nebenzya keeps claiming that he saw one of the bodies move. Ask him to point at the screen and tell us which one.
Dump the body on his table and ask him if he can make the body move. Ask him if it's just an "actor" as he so claims.
@@Thor.Jorgensen Perhaps a bit barbaric but it would be undoubtebly an effective one. Regardless of what anyone thinks, it is somewhat comforting to see actual fact checking and serious investigative work being done. The level of atrocities seen right now is honestly something I used to strongly believe to be in the worlds of fiction and history. There are many video games that give a narrative about war crimes and atrocities. But seeing what is happening in Ukraine is honestly something I thought were possible in video games and movies. Because in those settings, all bodies were nothing but props and pixels. Instead, I now realize that the creative minds behind such impressive narratives are just the same sort of mind, but unhinged and released into our world. I am dreading the future. Because what's happening in Ukraine now will sow the seeds of future acts of anger, hate and even more death.
Fact check to debunk Putin's lies.
Yeah they should do an autopsy on the bodies to determine time of death.
The images from the satellite company should show the date and time of the images. The date of the Images were all typed in by DW in this video. That means they can type in whatever date they want. I am not saying DW is lying, but there is possibility that the fact check is not genuine. To be convinced, I would like to see the images of other streets in the area on March 19, 2022, because I am sure that the company would scan the whole town at that very moment.
If they couldn’t provide other images, it means everything was staged. The satellite image were actually created after March.
I really don't see what is the moral difference of mass murder by missiles and bombs and murder by executions with small guns on a street.
It can't be excused as "collateral damage." And it's blood thirsty and cruel on a different scale. Next question.
Why is this video the 1st result when I search for Scott Ritter? Big Tech Censorship?
Russia insist that a independent inquiry must be held , but America and UK have blocked Russia request at the UNSC.