8 AFL Teams That Were NEARLY Created
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Aussie Rules was by far and wide the most popular sport in the ACT from the 20s through to the mid 80s, with the ACTAFL drawing big crowds in the 70s for such a small city. It was only after the Raiders were accepted into the NSWRL in 1982 that rugby league became more prominent in Canberra. Really makes you think what could have been if the ACT proposals in the early 80s weren't dismissed so readily by the powers that be.
That line "no one really cares about Aussie Rules in Canberra" hurt. It's a commonly repeated mistake. We have more AFL fans than the NT or Hobart.
Even after forty years without a team, Aussie Rules is possibly still the most popular sport. An AFL team of our own would be an instant success. Imagine how big it could have been if we'd already have had a team embedded for the past four decades.
One of the greats Alex Jesaulenko hailed from Canberra, also Cowboy Neale and later James Hird, been quite a few in later times as well.
Yep, afl was easily the most popular football code in Canberra until the late 80s when the Raiders first tasted success in the rugby league. Then the brumbies took hold in the Super 12 rugby union. An opportunity missed in Canberra.
Here's a fun addition to the list: In 1924, Hawthorn and Footscray became the 10th and 11th teams to compete in the VFL, however we very nearly had Prahran join as the 12th club, only for them to be replaced by North Melbourne at the last moment. Imagine the butterfly effect that decision would have caused
Wow I played for their junior team
And i never knew this
Great video, surprised the Fitzroy Bulldogs didn't get a mention considering it actually happened for a minute in 1989-90 and footscray raised 2 million dollars 3 weeks after it was announced to get their licence back
As a die hard Fitzroy supporter I was dead set against it, as were Bulldog supporters. I vividly remember Peter Foster who originally played for the Lions and in my opinion was not given a fair deal left and transferred to the Doggs declared if the merger went through he would leave.
There was also Melbourne North, which was a bit further away from happening. Also, possible Carlton North, as Carlton urchased shares.
YES!!!! I think that the Fitzroy/Footscray 1989 merger was the biggest one during that late VFL/AFL time frame!!!!!
Sharks were probably rejected because of concerns about South Freo Bulldogs not getting on-board with their fiercest rival under a Sharks moniker. Similar with Southport Sharks on the Gold Coast, not that there were fans of the local comp but Southport put in bids in their own right and there were concerns that one power club would run the new club.
Had a Canberra side come in before the Raiders, the ACT and surrounds would probably not have been so over-run by rugby league and rugby. At the time, the region was possibly slightly Australian Football dominant. Post-Raiders that change very quickly.
Really, the VFL/AFL should have accepted both Port and Norwood bids when the SANFL shut out a bid. That would have left open the possibility of a combined bid, what is now Crows, later as a third team still with a large supporter base to come. Instead, by running with the amalgamated side first, there is no scope for a 3rd SA side. (Four WA sides are still quite possible, and make more financial sense than one Tasmanian side - but that's just a function of demographics and WA being sponsorship-potential-heavy; something SA and Tas simply are not.)
You forgot the 1989 Footscray/Fitzroy attempted merger - it was actually further along than the Melbourne/Hawthorn one... Bulldog supporters raised an extraordinary amount of money in about a month to save their club
I don’t barrack for the dogs but am from the West. Love the spirit of doggies fans!
Fantastic Work Cardy!! I always enjoy these Footy off-season videos that you put out.
I reckon the AFL should fund the USAFL instead of adding a team in the US and make a league of their own so there are no time clashes with Australian clubs. Maybe some international friendlies in preseason when the USAFL becomes more competitive with AFL clubs
10/10 vid Cardy, absolutely love these types of videos in the AFL YT community, keep up the elite work, member for life
Legend mate! Will be keen on making more videos similar to this throughout the off season!
@@CARDMAN22 love to hear it 🏆🏆🏆🏆
Great video Cardy! Love these sort of offSeason content, Keep it up
Really great video! Some of these were news to me and I’m nearly 40. Have you thought about looking through the big trades that never eventuated in the AFL era, hell even how Matty Lloyd made it to the bombers with Freos top access pick?
Great video cardy! Love this! Keep up the great off season content!
Thanks mate glad you found it interesting
The Sydney Celtics would’ve been such a banging name
Cringe name
Awesome video! Have always been interested in new afl teams
Thanks for the vid cardy it kept me entertained as I did a exercise
The Melbourne Hawks song is a blended parody that some UA-camr put together. Fitzroy Bulldogs was a done deal for 3 weeks but didn't get a mention. Canberra had a high interest in Australian Football before the Raiders changed everything. GC Suns would have been the Sharks but despite Southport's backing (they incidently had their own bid in the 1990's but were beaten by Fremantle and Port Adelaide) they didn't want to disenfranchise people from other local clubs.
Not having the Port-Norwood rivalry showcased on the AFL stage was a real tragedy
The Crows and Port have developed a rivalry in time but it's slightly contrived and soulless compared to what would have been.
Great video Pat keep up the great work mate
Great video and interesting video Cardy!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good content mate 👍
Great video Cardy Keep it up 👍🏼
Great video keep up the great content.
Great video cardy keep up the great content
Great vid mate. More history videos will be appreciated.
Thanks mate will definitely have more planned over the off season
Back in the late 80s im pretty sure both port and norwood where talking with the AFL there was a strong rumour of norwood merging with fitzroy and playing games in adelaide,Im a port man and they had become too big for that comp and when the crows where formed port where straight away the natural rival a lot of glenelg sturt norwood etc members became crows members and it became obvious Port would go in next
If the LA Crocodiles had been successful I imagine it would have led to the formation to a US based conference, and a Grand Final between the winners of the USA and Australia conferences.
I’m an American who loves watching Aussie Rules football, The AFL ever having a conference in the US would be too far out there. If it was successful it probably would have brought a league here in the US
Though I could still see something like the LA crocodiles possibly happening one day since the US is market the AFL could probably have some success in
Aussie Rules to this day has a bit of a small cult following here (but it is pretty small compared to even soccer) because ESPN or Fox Sports throughout the years have shown a few games each week
Great video
and as a hawthorn supporter, im glad we didnt merge bc my rival goes for Melbourne
When Tassie enters the AFL, one would assume that they would be the Tassie Devils
Doubtful unless Melbourne are involved
Not possible. The NBL still owns the rights to that name.
@@AJRM1981 Well, the Brisbane Lions sold their rights to the AFL, so I suppose anythings possible
Ahead of the rest,
Awesome vid Cardy
There was Ports original proposal from 1990 which would have seen them become the the Port Adelaide Pirates, keeping the Black & White Strip.
Norwood's Bid was actually a dual team bid between Norwood and Sturt, don't know what they would have been called but it was a merged bid.
Maybe the Bluelegs
That would have been tough considering that's the name of the soccer team in Port Adelaide
As a hawks supporter I’m so happy the Melbourne Hawks never happened
nice content cardy love the vid
Gonna be a good as video
6:02 this killed me 😂😂😂
I think the AFL knocks back any proposal for a team called Sharks. There have been a few, even the Crows were almost going to go with The Adelaide Sharks.
Great video!
About the LA idea for a team you got to remember it'll be summer time in the states + you'll also need to rival the MLS and MLB.
Yeah they most likely said they were gonna play night games so it wouldn’t be as hot. Night games in America would be around 1pm in the eastern states of Australia
You forgot about the Port Adelaide Magpies' failed bid in 1990.
Let’s go good vid cardy
Great video
Good video. Fremantle Sharks would not’ve been the best idea as it sounds too similar to my team, East Fremantle Sharks.
They had a perfect potential nickname in the "Bull sharks": an actual animal that would live in the region, and combines the two nicknames of the two Freo teams.
@@mikespearwood3914 That would’ve been a good idea
You should do afl SuperCoach
Great vid
This is clearly your most hysterical video
I regret giving that other guy the ratio
@@CARDMAN22 haha
You should do afl 2022 rewind
Is it possible to make a part 2 of AFL teams not playing at a particular AFL ground again Cardy?
It still shocks me that Canberra doesn't have a club
Demons and Hawks = DAWKS
Best named club for sure!!
You need to more content like this
Cheers
Fire
1950s a Bendigo team nearky joined the VFL
AFL does need a ACT, Tassie and NT team......how can it be called Australian Football League with still so many clubs still been based in Melbourne, and they won't even move a GF if a interstate team ends up on top and makes a gf and I'm a Hawks member, it didn't merge because of Don Scott and us supportera rattling tins for the funds and the great Ian Dicker
Canberra 💯%
The Fremantle Sharks is what it should have been with a uniting of the Port which has and still remains a problem for the Dockers today
I’m pretty sure there will be a tasi team in next season or the one after
I remember how the combined Melbourne and Hawthorn teams were going to be called the Dawks.
I remember it well. As Dees supporter, I'm very grateful to Don Scott.
Fun at the cricket today
nice vid man enjoyed it
I think for your own self development you should work on putting the material you are reading from more in line with the camera it might help seem as if you are addressing us a bit more often. otherwise mate. kudos great job
Yeah cheers for the comment mate will work on that for sure
Let’s go! 🙌
G'day mate
Little extra info, with Norwood entering this was discussed when Port were set to be the team going into the AFL, Idea was Port first then Norwood would be the other SA team. Of course Crows were formed instead and Port ended up being the second team
100% the crows were made to really stop port moving to the afl but also to make port Adelaide fold. The two south Australian sides should have been port Adelaide and Norwood. They already had a fierce rivalry but also split south Australia with both places on different parts of town. But instead a new team was made being called the crows and really damaged Norwood as a club.
There were all sorts of discussions and rumours over the years. The SANFL opened talks with the VFL as early as 1981, with the view of entering a composite side, rather than existing clubs. The VFL feared a composite side would be too strong and then later in the 80s, the SANFL rejected the VFL's terms of entry (hence Brisbane entered with WCE in 1987). Port backstabbed the SANFL and that led to the Crows. Norwood's loyalty to the SANFL's position ultimately meant they lost out. The joint bid with Sturt for the second licence was rumoured to be superior, but I doubt there would be anyone who thinks the VFL weren't going to award it to Port regardless.
There already is a sharks in Gold Coast it is the south port sharks there in the vfl
Melbourne Hawks jumper is almost indistinguishable from Adelaide Crows.
Cardy could you do History of the WAFL
Could you imagine the Melbourne Hawks being the back to back to back grand final winners
Do you think future the AFL there will go to Darwin make a side
Dockers > Sharks. Sounds better.
Dunno, always thought that the Fremantle Mariners sounded decent as well, but that could clash with the A-League Mariners
Cap
@@psychoticAjAX doesn’t matter. Nobody likes the Coasties anyways (from a Newcastle supporter 🤣)
Dockers beazy
@@psychoticAjAX Freo would've been the "Mariners" a decade before CCM existed. So CCM possibly might've been named something different.
2:53 strong wa bogan confederate vibes for the "united" kit
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Nice
Canberra will come eventually!
If you ever do a video on where the 20th team should go (after Tasmania), hit me up, and I'll give you the numbers on why it should be Canberra.
Speaking of American clubs when I was little I thought other countries like America and ect played Aussie rules just like us in fact I didn’t even know about American gridiron until I was 12
Adelaide wanted to be the sharks and had created a logo too but cronulla sharks threatened to sue the sanfl
A well spoken young man
I reckon that North would have backed to out of the Fitzroy deal when we won the flag that year.
I would like the AFL to play a game in the UK ( I'm a Western Bulldogs supporter ) !
Missed the Fitzroy bulldogs one
The Fremantle sharks would’ve been a cool name
Yeah imagine that
@@CARDMAN22really? I reckon Dockers has a better ring to it.
Sharks sound way better
Awesome video. Well done. I had no idea about the Freo one in the 80s - but I'm not from Perth.
Gold coast Suns is one of the best names though, not a fan of the Sharks. But their guernsey is atrocious and needs a designer.
Norwood is an unfortunate one, they are almost as big as Port Adelaide and a history as long, huge local fanbase but they and Glenelg were both gobbled up by the SANFL determined to play state of origin and put a state team (The Crows) into the AFL. Sad that those teams are now stuck in the SANFL for eternity despite having such a long and rich history, even not long ago when Glenelg made the finals they were pulling sellout crowds bigger than what North Melbourne get today.
We need 6 conferences groups and Delegation/Promotion which would secondary league Clubs give them a look in
I think Fitzroy and the bulldog’s actually merged but the fans stopped it
Bit stupid not to include Fitzroy Bulldogs
Good research on a number of those potential clubs, but you did stuff up on the North Melbourne Fitzroy history.
The Merger between North Melbourne and Fitzroy proposal only was between May 1996 to June 1996, when in early June all the AFL club presidents at the time came together to discuss the merger with AFL CEO at the time Ross Oakley, the other club CEOs rejected the Fitzroy North Melbourne merger proposal and Brisbane Bears CEO stepped in to offer his own Merger proposal with Fitzroy and the majority of the other AFL club presidents agreed to the deal, saving Fitzroy's legacy in the process since Brisbane Bears already had their own Maroon colors that were similar to Fitzroy's original Maroon and Blue from the early 1900s when they were known as the Maroons in the early VFL years.
Another club that was almost formed with Fitzroy was the Brisbane Fitzroy Lions relocation in 1986, this was when Fitzroy was already on their way to bankruptcy but were still winning games during the year compared to what they were 10 years later when they were shambles.
But you were right with most of the information.
Do a part 2
Norwood tried again in 1994 as a joint bid with Sturt but they lost out to Port
I still have a “Norwood/Sturt for AFL 1996” Sticker somewhere lol
Actually it was East Perth in 1980 that was the first team to make a bid to make a bid to join the VFL from interstate not Canberra
strange @CARDMAN 22 how you missed East Perth's bid in 1980
strange how you also left of the biggest merger of all which happend then was over turned the Footsgray/Fitzroy merger
I don't like Tassie Devils but i like the sound of Hobart Devils
mate plenty of footy fans in act and new south wales just not all of us go for the clubs of our area
Cool
Good vid . Although the Irish team more likely that the LA team I reckon .
The North Melbourne - Fitzroy one was terrible. AfL clubs jealous of North Melbourne being too strong and fitzroy being shipped off to Brisbane against their will. This merger should have been able to go ahead
What I like about the Dockers name is the uniqueness. No other sports team in the world is called the Dockers, there's a strong identity factor. Now Fremantle Sharks is not a bad name, but how many teams are called Sharks... A lot. It's like Lions, Eagles, tigers ... it's pretty bland if you ask me.
@tjensenyomomynchen9192 yeah wharfies would have been even better i reckon
With the time difference easier than USA and with over 1b people why not a Chinese team with the correct marketing it could be huge success or with the addition of 2 new teams in coming years Tasmanian Kangaroos and the Terroritorians from NT
Finally tassie got a team in
Hi cardman
LA team was designed to try and capitalise on Croc Dundee
stuff mate im glad the melbourne hawks didnt happen. i wouldve like the norwood redlegs to come true
Hawks surporters made sure that takeover didn’t happen
Heave-Ho
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Fremantle were nearly called the Shitfish.
Lots of historical inaccuracies here
do afl logos if they were realistic.
An AFL team in the US playing in the Australian competition would have never worked. There's been CFL teams in the US and they never got traction either. You'd need to start a completely separate amateur comp in the US and then slowly grow it to become a viable professional league.