Universe of death could be where Zack is and is basically the lifestream. Sephiroth is currently in the lifestream too as he was thrown into it by Cloud and dissolved into it, although he retained his consciousness as he can continues to influence the clones and Cloud. Destroying the planet would would make the lifstream of the planet join that on the cosmos lifestream. (This was Sephiroths goal in Advent Children too).
Sephiroth's universe of Death could easily be the OG universe that eventually leads to Gaia without people. (As seen in end credits scene) Cloud's universe of life could be the remake universe that leads to advent children and ridding everyone of geostigma. (And saving humanity.)
What you said about the two universes and scenarios is really interesting. If there is one where Zach "lives" (univiverse of death) that would be a cool way to explain how we see him at the church but Aerith isn't there (she isn't dead year so would be in the universe of life)...those universes crossing could bring Zach into the party in a future Remake installment.
So many theories / ideas - can’t wait for part 2. I think the chip / crisp packet is a red herring Cloud is critical to Sephorith - this is made well known in og, advent children and now the remake. I think we’re in for a curveball on this one ..
This all happens at the point the game titled "Singularity", which is basically a point of infinite mass, with no real sense of time or space. Sort of like the precursor to the big bang, which is the imagery that essentially happens when Cloud and Sephiroth's swords clash and this scene begins. So if Aerith and Sephiroth "created" this place, I suppose it is a place of infinite possibilities ("boundless, terrifying freedom"). So maybe this place is the point where that which we know (OG) meets with that which we don't (Remake)? Based on what Sephiroth said, I just took it that what was behind him was a glimpse of the inevitable end of the universe but that he was intent on beating death, while recognizing he needs Cloud to do that.
I wonder if Remake will have an ending similar to Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials and the third season of Doctor Who, where the two main protagonists end up living in different universes, forever separated. That would be a bittersweet conclusion: Aerith doesn't die, but she and Cloud never get to see each other again.
I still don't understand how a crisp(chip for americans) packet made everybody jump to alternate universe theories lol. I still ship the "original game was all a vision of the future aerith had in the mako stream during the opening" theory, hence why the OG closes on the same shot of her as was at the beginning of the game, remake picks up straight after that, which is why she knows so much in remake; she saw a vision in the mako/lifestream. Zack and the people in the sector 5 church are all dead; they're being blocked from returning to the planet by sephiroth (which is canon in the OG) and the whispers are twisted seohiroth was hoping to absorb in the OG after meteorfall when he talks about the planet trying to heal itself and him absorbing the energy in the temple of the ancients
I agree and the chip bag is an easy way to telegraph which "side of the lifestream" a character is on. Imagine we get the Jesse scene at the gold saucer and in it is the terrier bag.
@@cluztar3776 its explained in the OG that after the nibelheim incident when he falls into the lifestream he absorbs the knowledge of the ancients, its the same way he learnt about the black materia
Sephiroth still has to attempt dropping meteor on the planet to absorb the lifestream. It doesnt make sense to destroy gaia with supernova without first having absorbed it.
Idk how much this had to do with what your saying but in the orginal game when sephiroth uses super nova there's some math equations that flash on the scene and I forget the source but it sephiroth brings you to another dimension / timeline / universe where he attacks you with super nova but the world doesn't end in game.
At this point how many parts will FFR have? If there are different time lines then how long with this game actually be? I got a feeling that there will be a lot more cut out from the original FF7 than we think.
Aeriths flowers in the church will be where you travel from the two different dimensions like Chrono Cross and the beach The ppl in Zacks church were the whispers who are now lost cause they failed to keep the timeline intact. I'm guessing Zacks world will be infested with lost souls
Just want to point out that Edge of Creation was in the OG, where Cloud battles Sephiroth. The scene in Remake is nearly shot for shot the same as OG. What’s added is all the dialogue.
You fight the arbiter and those guys are trying to make sure including aerith to make sure things happen. But I think seph understands that there’s something bigger than both of them. Bigger than his goal of mother and meteor, bigger than clouds revenge and saving the planet. That’s why I think he’s asking cloud for help because he’s seeing the bigger picture.
If there is a straight-up universe of death, I do remember the devs originally wanted everyone but your 3 party members to die in the Midgar siege in the OG game...
That could make sense and would be so sad also. But I hope they just kill red xiii if we had to pick. Still would be sad but I think we all want Areith better
I think there are three aspects of sephiroth. 1st OG story Sephy. 2nd is Future Sephy who has been thru this already and then 3rd the remnant of sephiroth in cloud that lives in him as does the Jenova Cells.
If you haven’t already, please check out Sleepezi channel and his take on this information. He knows/has translators and they broke down this and the Ultimania plus in incredible detail Also not sure if the translations say the same but in the Japanese version when Cloud and Sephiroth meet up at EoC when Sephiroth asks Cloud to join him, they describe it as Sephiroth being merciful and when Cloud refuses and Sephiroth takes his stance, Sephiroth was only gonna give Cloud that one chance to change his mind, now Sephiroth will pursue Cloud and his goals with no mercy. He is going to take a deeper route to destroy Cloud, as he knows that mentally once Cloud is restored, Cloud won’t lose. This is why the Zack universe becomes important
Cloud and Sephiroth are of the same universe. What they mean by the universe of life and the universe of death is the beginning, and the end of all things. This is also known as the Alpha and the Omega. A.K.A., God. The universes of the alpha and the omega are split between between Cloud and Sephiroth respectively thus making them demigods. Their incompleteness is represented by their existence as "one winged angels". One winged angles that quite literally need each other to exist as there can be no death without life as there can be no life without death.
I wonder if the other timeline can be something that Sephiroth uses to lure Cloud into a position he want him in. This makes me then wonder on whether or not Sephiroth will kill more people close to Cloud to unravel him… Great video!!
Hey David it’s been a long min this was a great video I was gonna say you should do a video about summons or level cap for part two like will have bahamut laviathan ifrit shiva and ramuh and even choc mob crystal carbuncle cactar and then fat Chco… like what other ones do you think we would get new ones I know there’s still plenty from the og to be put in but god damn we got a lot of op ones right off that bat
I think everything is happening in the "Universe of Death", that is where Cloud is, where Zack is, where Sephiroth is etc. The "Universe of Creation" is a world that WOULD exist, IF Jenova and Meteor were to be successful (which currently, is inevitable... right up until the Whispers are destroyed, and now it is less certain.) I think the purpose of Jenova is to purify the lifestream through death. Bring an entire planet to its demise when its life has become corrupted. Allowing it to be reborn, purified. This is happening because of the death of the Cetra, and the ascent of humans and Shinra. It is time for the planet to die. So every character is currently trapped in a dying universe... but Sephiroth doesn't want to die. And he doesn't want Cloud to die either. Because he is half-made of Jenova cells, he is in thrall to the fate that Jenova plans for Gaia (i.e. Meteor.) He is her puppet. And is carrying out her wish to destroy the planet. Jenova is like the ultimate Whisper. A planetary grim reaper to ensure planets meet their fate when it's time for it to die. The Cetra tried to defy this fate by sealing Jenova away, but they could only delay the inevitable. Eventually the Cetra died off and humans took over the mantle of the planet, bringing with it the monstrousness of mako energy and unnatural experiments. Resulting in the creation of Sephiroth. Sephiroth is half human, half monster. Half a monstrous slave to fate due to Jenova. But also half a free agent due to his humanity too. And this is the side of Sephiroth I think we are seeing. The human side. I think Sephiroth's humanity isn't strong enough to deny fate, and save Aerith. But he knows that Cloud is stronger than him, and can achieve this goal for him. He goads Cloud into destroying the Whispers that would take Zack's soul to the heart of the planet. Thus liberating him, and causing this new "world" to be born. Which is essentially like a dream of Zack's consciousness that should not be occurring, because he was destined to be carried by the whispers to the heart of the planet. Similar to how Cloud and Tifa created a dream of Nibelheim when they fell into the lifestream together. The ultimate goal is this... Sephiroth knows Aerith will die, and he can't stop Jenova from forcing his hand. But he also knows that by sparing Zack's soul, Aerith's soul will be able to find Zack in the lifestream when she meets her end. And if she reunites with Zack, together, because they are free agents within the lifestream, they'd have a chance to stop the inevitability of Meteor, and prevent this "Universe of Death" from dying. So Sephiroth's plan succeeds... he thwarts Jenova in the end (same ending as FF7 OG.) HEAVY speculation now that I'm less certain of: The universe of Creation is interesting though... because it makes me think of Genesis. It is the colour red, the colour of Meteor. But also red is the colour of Genesis. And creation is a synonym of Genesis. I almost wonder if Minerva cleansed Genesis in Crisis Core because she wants Genesis to be her champion and stop Sephiroth's plot. I wonder if Aerith replaces Minerva as the new goddess of the lifestream in the end. Perhaps Minerva is destroyed in order for Aerith to take over (but maybe when Minerva, the white heart of the lifestream dies, it becomes a black heart and Minerva becomes a new Jenova, starting a new cycle)... Anyhow, Minerva dies and now Aerith alone controls the lifestream, becomes the new "mother" and uses the lifestream to fight back against Meteor in the knick of time. I wonder if Sephiroth, Aerith, Zack and Biggs are fighting Minerva and Genesis in their world within the lifestream, while Cloud, Barret, Tifa etc. are fighting against Jenova and Sephiroth in the surface world? Probably not though. I think that Genesis represents the red, the colour between black and white in FF lore. The cosmic balance. But Sephiroth wins by defeating that cosmic balance, and stopping the end of the world, and its rebirth. I think that the gift of the goddess is delivered by both Minerva and Jenova. And it is the gift of death and rebirth. Loveless says the Goddess has "wings of light and dark" so perhaps Minerva and Jenova are both two sides of the same deity, delivering the same gift. And both must be defeated to save humanity.
Another fun fact here is that Jenova is just one letter away from being Jehova. Aka. God. A.K.A. The alpha and the omega, life and death, etc. Additionally, Sephiroth is just one letter away from Sephirot which is very significant in Judaism and represents a physical connection or manifestation between one's self and..... God... or Jehova. Sephiroth basically fulfills that role for Jenova. Sephirot - JeHova SephirotH - JeNova. Coincidence? Before anyone calls me crazy. I'll just mention that FFVII is chock full of references and influence from various world religions in addition to Norse mythology. The central theme that ties all of these things together. Is the beginning and end of all things. Life and death. The Alpha and the Omega.
Perhaps Cloud has the choice of tifa/Aerith survival ( a theme of choice already prominent in the remake ). The universe of death is the one where Tifa lives and the universe of creation is the one Aerith lives . So what’s the twist? Cloud can’t choose (“you can’t fall in love with me”) so a convergence of both? Is the Zack timeline the true rebirth and true ending? The events of the original 7 technically start from Zacks death and transference of memories to cloud and perhaps that the convergence of universes can only happen at this point. Aerith existed up until this point and it maybe needs her sacrifice to rid her and sephiroth from this point too in order to preserve this new timeline. Are they both representations of each universe? Both can’t exist without each other so a double elimination/ convergence is needed . I’ve always thought that there was significance when sephiroth knocks clouds sword out and gives the 7 seconds speech it feels like a choice is required here .
@@robbowman3420 So to understand what you mean, the two universes could make a convergence at the moment where zack is supposed to die outside of Midgar and that will be the birth of a new timeline? You're saying Aerith being dead/sacrificing herself will keep this new converged timeline intact? Why would that also rid the universe of Sephiroth? Are you saying that what we have seen so far of the Zack scenes has been part of what will be the true ending all along?
@@ryanharrison3118 exactly that. Sephiroth is dead in the north crater, so without sephiroths puppetry of cloud , he will just stay dead or even be removed same as Aerith , so nothing about the story will ever play out. I haven’t factored the jenova piece tho . I thought about it from a writing stand point too. If ff7 remake failed in part one , how could they wrap it up easily? By having the actual final scenes of the saga in the first part . DLC to fill in the blanks
Alternate universes... meh. But Two futures makes sense, because that's literally what Remake is about. The original compilation concludes in humanity being wiped from Midgar and/or the planet, which On the Way to a Smile seems to be hinting that Vincent will survive long after humanity is wiped out. Red in remake called the meeting of Red and Vincent what will happen if they *FAIL.* Ultimania also says that Sephiroth has paused time 7 seconds before the planet dies, making moves to change its destiny. Meanwhile... a future in which the world does not die would obviously be the goal of "Remaking" the past. So less two universes...and more a divergent future.
Maybe when Sephiroth dies at the end of the original his will pulled him out of the universe of death into this realm. Because of that, the planet brought Aerith back to counteract this and help Cloud defeat him again.
synonyms for Universe can be things just as small as Worlds, Solar System and Earth can even be interpreted as Universe, I wonder what the exact meaning Square has for this word in this situation I hope that the focus made on another Galaxy (Singularity, Cosmos, maybe?) adds the possibility of making this series last forever and keep releasing new FF7 games even after the end of the Remake Project
Og timeline is the universe of death? Just like dr willy finally able to wipe out humanity in megaman legend even it took thousand years? (500 years in og timeline).
Why Cloud is the universe of creation is an interesting matter. Then take into consideration that this universe is literally represented by Jenova. If we split the name, Jenova. We get Jen, or Genesis. And Nova which is Latin for "New". Genesis is basically creation. So we can translate Jenova to "New Creation". The thing is here that we've always seen Jenova as death. Not as creation. As stated before, death cannot exist without life as life cannot exist without death. Hence they could be seen as one in the same and this is the true purpose of Jenova. So, perhaps Jenova's purpose was to create new life on the planet, but first it must destroy the old life. The Cetra prevented this which disrupted the cycle of life and death leading us the current crisis. The current crisis in which Jenovas powers over life and death in the universe are split between the demi gods of cloud and sephiroth. Thus leading us back to why they need each other to exist. This split occurred because they are infused with Jenova cells and Jenova can only exist through Cloud and Sephiroth due to having no physical form. Which leads me to my next point.
Hasnt it been confirmed that ffx and ff7 are the same universe? Cuz if you look yuna has the same beads as sephiroths sword in her hair so multiverse is possible and can be linked.... long shot but would be awesome
I was trying to compare the 2 but I can’t seem to find an image with sephiroth with beads but I’ve definitely seen it before. Any idea where we see it at?
@@Phantomyre well make it smart for me, if it was anything else it would be dumb. But because its ff7 its not? You know there's a thing called "too clever" right? That happens when they try to hard and throw in plots, twist an it leaves the story with more answers and pot holes by the time it ends. You watch the new spider man? Bro, you know how many pot holes and things were undone when you save people who die and bring them back to life? Will Harris son still be alive when the green goblin goes back now that he lives?
The remakes will most likely do a original trilogy Mass Effect where decisions will branch out to different endings/conclusions moving forward after the first game - The way I see it, the small variances in the events of 1 (like multiple dresses for Aerith, Tifa, and Cloud) are sort of their way of testing the waters with this before moving on the larger-scale branching story arcs. The way the terrier hinted this with Zack's scene is reminiscent of the Mandela effect, in which events or objects are remembered differently by various people (hinting at multiple timelines)
Well I am gonna be 100% honest here, I loved FF7R and I am looking forward to it's further installments and it was clear from the very start that this was a remake with some story changes and I don't know why they chose to do this instead of using the original story which could've made the matter more simpler, And I also completely understand why some people are sceptical about the story changing decision or some critisism about them making it a multiple installments project but imo they had to do this cause the sheer amount of content in FF7 is so large and I think even two discs couldn't had covered this but again it's my opinion. And about the alternate timeline concept, well it is confusing as well as interesting at the same point and I wonder why they chose to go this route but personally I am very interested and curious as to what'll happen next and I think it's gonna be at least 3 or more parts of FF7 but at this moment I just wanna see or hear some info about FF7R part 2:)
You have made my day Dave all the stuff that I have been saying over the past year and a half seems to becoming factual, who needs theory channels on YT when you can figure this st out for youselves. Sephiroth is from a universe known as death/destruction, and Cloud is from a universe known as rebirth/reborn, which is the possibly the same universe. Let me get this straight holy and the meteor isn't a pivotal plot point in remake who would of thought, lol, we've seen all that crap in cutscene or a window into a past memory, if we dive into memories a little we can now safely say that what has happened regarding og and the compilation has already fkg happened. Zack and Cloud is a timestamp it is a memory from a distant past possibly during the time of og FFVII. Yes another correct theory, but supernova is potentially a plot twist lol that has made my day also, I can't believe this took everyone nearly two sodding years to finally understand wtf you were all looking at at the edge of creation was the remnants of a fkg supernova, you all needed a book to confirm this crap is funny. This all makes sense because Sephiroth couldn't give afk about Gaia he wants to destroy it to be free from his prison which is Gaia itself, he was set free after defeating The Harbinger of Fate, finally remake is, end game scenario, Cloud looks likely to choose between rebirth and destruction. Aerith or Sephiroth finally multiple endings, I was told adding mltiple endings in remake was bs and hard to add, foff lmfbo. Sephiroth's ultimate goal is to use Cloud that is his ultimate goal, which leaves the question, after defeating The Harbinger of Fate Aerith was reborn, the Jesus of FFVII, and as Sephiroth said I will never be a memory, will Sephiroth still needs a vessel for his potential rebirth, is Kadaj coming back? Thanks for making my day I need to skip to chapter 18 of my material ultimania and read that chapter. 👍
Aerith gave Cloud that materia in the church, which I tested and I know you cannot use it. Aerith gave him the white materia, and he will also gain the black materia at some point, I wonder if Cloud will choise which materia to give Sephiroth at the Northern Crater, and if Aerith is killed again the player has the choice to keep her alive by accepting rebirth. Only to lose somebody else important to him Tifa, bcuz this ship war is sinking at the end of remake for sure. lol.
Our world will become part of it was about glimpses of future. Watch that scene again, conversation before it was that future does not exist but we will reach a future one day. Whispers shown you your destiny, will of the planet. You didn't explained this video, you just went nuts with theories instead of explaining it.
@@DashingDavid it already happened in many games and movies. Multiverse, multi timeline. people cant learn to accept to live with their choices and consequences so that they jump around multi timeline to solve things. Very weak storytelling.
Universe of death could be where Zack is and is basically the lifestream. Sephiroth is currently in the lifestream too as he was thrown into it by Cloud and dissolved into it, although he retained his consciousness as he can continues to influence the clones and Cloud. Destroying the planet would would make the lifstream of the planet join that on the cosmos lifestream. (This was Sephiroths goal in Advent Children too).
Sephiroth's universe of Death could easily be the OG universe that eventually leads to Gaia without people. (As seen in end credits scene)
Cloud's universe of life could be the remake universe that leads to advent children and ridding everyone of geostigma. (And saving humanity.)
Obviously it's og.
What you said about the two universes and scenarios is really interesting. If there is one where Zach "lives" (univiverse of death) that would be a cool way to explain how we see him at the church but Aerith isn't there (she isn't dead year so would be in the universe of life)...those universes crossing could bring Zach into the party in a future Remake installment.
So many theories / ideas - can’t wait for part 2.
I think the chip / crisp packet is a red herring
Cloud is critical to Sephorith - this is made well known in og, advent children and now the remake.
I think we’re in for a curveball on this one ..
This all happens at the point the game titled "Singularity", which is basically a point of infinite mass, with no real sense of time or space. Sort of like the precursor to the big bang, which is the imagery that essentially happens when Cloud and Sephiroth's swords clash and this scene begins. So if Aerith and Sephiroth "created" this place, I suppose it is a place of infinite possibilities ("boundless, terrifying freedom"). So maybe this place is the point where that which we know (OG) meets with that which we don't (Remake)? Based on what Sephiroth said, I just took it that what was behind him was a glimpse of the inevitable end of the universe but that he was intent on beating death, while recognizing he needs Cloud to do that.
I wonder if Remake will have an ending similar to Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials and the third season of Doctor Who, where the two main protagonists end up living in different universes, forever separated. That would be a bittersweet conclusion: Aerith doesn't die, but she and Cloud never get to see each other again.
maybe sephiroth that askes cloud for help is also one who wants to be free of jenova and he cant defy her in this timeline
I still don't understand how a crisp(chip for americans) packet made everybody jump to alternate universe theories lol.
I still ship the "original game was all a vision of the future aerith had in the mako stream during the opening" theory, hence why the OG closes on the same shot of her as was at the beginning of the game, remake picks up straight after that, which is why she knows so much in remake; she saw a vision in the mako/lifestream.
Zack and the people in the sector 5 church are all dead; they're being blocked from returning to the planet by sephiroth (which is canon in the OG) and the whispers are twisted seohiroth was hoping to absorb in the OG after meteorfall when he talks about the planet trying to heal itself and him absorbing the energy in the temple of the ancients
I honestly love that theory. There’s certainly gotta be a reason why we see aerith at the end of og FF7 in a similar way to the opening of the game.
I agree and the chip bag is an easy way to telegraph which "side of the lifestream" a character is on. Imagine we get the Jesse scene at the gold saucer and in it is the terrier bag.
The first part is a good idea but how does Sephiroth know all that happens too? Did he have a vision also?
@@cluztar3776 its explained in the OG that after the nibelheim incident when he falls into the lifestream he absorbs the knowledge of the ancients, its the same way he learnt about the black materia
Sephiroth still has to attempt dropping meteor on the planet to absorb the lifestream. It doesnt make sense to destroy gaia with supernova without first having absorbed it.
Idk how much this had to do with what your saying but in the orginal game when sephiroth uses super nova there's some math equations that flash on the scene and I forget the source but it sephiroth brings you to another dimension / timeline / universe where he attacks you with super nova but the world doesn't end in game.
First. And it’s me! Ultima786. Thanks for the shout out
Haha hell yeah! And thanks for the info
@@DashingDavid btw the Cries of the Planet was only used once in OG.
@@ultima7865 that’s what I was thinking but couldn’t remember
@@ultima7865 Yeah, and it's such a shame. Love that tune...
The whispers and this marvel disney fate time shit crap was the worst thing that ever happened
At this point how many parts will FFR have? If there are different time lines then how long with this game actually be? I got a feeling that there will be a lot more cut out from the original FF7 than we think.
Aeriths flowers in the church will be where you travel from the two different dimensions like Chrono Cross and the beach
The ppl in Zacks church were the whispers who are now lost cause they failed to keep the timeline intact. I'm guessing Zacks world will be infested with lost souls
Actually that song is called:
Seven seconds till the end
That’s what I said, champ
@@DashingDavid If you was more clearer I might of heard you.
Just want to point out that Edge of Creation was in the OG, where Cloud battles Sephiroth. The scene in Remake is nearly shot for shot the same as OG. What’s added is all the dialogue.
That’s not confirmed. Simply speculation.
@@DashingDavidit’s the same.
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@@DashingDavid it’s the same traveling through a portal, asteroid background, and the cinematography is replicated
You fight the arbiter and those guys are trying to make sure including aerith to make sure things happen. But I think seph understands that there’s something bigger than both of them. Bigger than his goal of mother and meteor, bigger than clouds revenge and saving the planet. That’s why I think he’s asking cloud for help because he’s seeing the bigger picture.
If there is a straight-up universe of death, I do remember the devs originally wanted everyone but your 3 party members to die in the Midgar siege in the OG game...
I think the character that will need to die to beat Sephiroth is…. Cloud
That could make sense and would be so sad also. But I hope they just kill red xiii if we had to pick. Still would be sad but I think we all want Areith better
I got this book a couple weeks ago... still need to go through it.
Definitely should. Seems to be a lot of good stuff in it. Put it next to the toilet and you’ll start reading it lol
I think there are three aspects of sephiroth. 1st OG story Sephy. 2nd is Future Sephy who has been thru this already and then 3rd the remnant of sephiroth in cloud that lives in him as does the Jenova Cells.
If you haven’t already, please check out Sleepezi channel and his take on this information. He knows/has translators and they broke down this and the Ultimania plus in incredible detail
Also not sure if the translations say the same but in the Japanese version when Cloud and Sephiroth meet up at EoC when Sephiroth asks Cloud to join him, they describe it as Sephiroth being merciful and when Cloud refuses and Sephiroth takes his stance, Sephiroth was only gonna give Cloud that one chance to change his mind, now Sephiroth will pursue Cloud and his goals with no mercy. He is going to take a deeper route to destroy Cloud, as he knows that mentally once Cloud is restored, Cloud won’t lose. This is why the Zack universe becomes important
Cloud and Sephiroth are of the same universe. What they mean by the universe of life and the universe of death is the beginning, and the end of all things. This is also known as the Alpha and the Omega. A.K.A., God.
The universes of the alpha and the omega are split between between Cloud and Sephiroth respectively thus making them demigods. Their incompleteness is represented by their existence as "one winged angels".
One winged angles that quite literally need each other to exist as there can be no death without life as there can be no life without death.
Man i wish to see cloud with 1 wing just to make ogs mad asf
Underrated video bro I think you should make a new video and reanalyze this info!
I wonder if the other timeline can be something that Sephiroth uses to lure Cloud into a position he want him in. This makes me then wonder on whether or not Sephiroth will kill more people close to Cloud to unravel him… Great video!!
Hey David it’s been a long min this was a great video I was gonna say you should do a video about summons or level cap for part two like will have bahamut laviathan ifrit shiva and ramuh and even choc mob crystal carbuncle cactar and then fat Chco… like what other ones do you think we would get new ones I know there’s still plenty from the og to be put in but god damn we got a lot of op ones right off that bat
I think everything is happening in the "Universe of Death", that is where Cloud is, where Zack is, where Sephiroth is etc. The "Universe of Creation" is a world that WOULD exist, IF Jenova and Meteor were to be successful (which currently, is inevitable... right up until the Whispers are destroyed, and now it is less certain.)
I think the purpose of Jenova is to purify the lifestream through death. Bring an entire planet to its demise when its life has become corrupted. Allowing it to be reborn, purified.
This is happening because of the death of the Cetra, and the ascent of humans and Shinra. It is time for the planet to die. So every character is currently trapped in a dying universe... but Sephiroth doesn't want to die. And he doesn't want Cloud to die either.
Because he is half-made of Jenova cells, he is in thrall to the fate that Jenova plans for Gaia (i.e. Meteor.) He is her puppet. And is carrying out her wish to destroy the planet.
Jenova is like the ultimate Whisper. A planetary grim reaper to ensure planets meet their fate when it's time for it to die. The Cetra tried to defy this fate by sealing Jenova away, but they could only delay the inevitable. Eventually the Cetra died off and humans took over the mantle of the planet, bringing with it the monstrousness of mako energy and unnatural experiments. Resulting in the creation of Sephiroth.
Sephiroth is half human, half monster. Half a monstrous slave to fate due to Jenova. But also half a free agent due to his humanity too.
And this is the side of Sephiroth I think we are seeing. The human side. I think Sephiroth's humanity isn't strong enough to deny fate, and save Aerith. But he knows that Cloud is stronger than him, and can achieve this goal for him. He goads Cloud into destroying the Whispers that would take Zack's soul to the heart of the planet. Thus liberating him, and causing this new "world" to be born. Which is essentially like a dream of Zack's consciousness that should not be occurring, because he was destined to be carried by the whispers to the heart of the planet. Similar to how Cloud and Tifa created a dream of Nibelheim when they fell into the lifestream together.
The ultimate goal is this... Sephiroth knows Aerith will die, and he can't stop Jenova from forcing his hand. But he also knows that by sparing Zack's soul, Aerith's soul will be able to find Zack in the lifestream when she meets her end. And if she reunites with Zack, together, because they are free agents within the lifestream, they'd have a chance to stop the inevitability of Meteor, and prevent this "Universe of Death" from dying. So Sephiroth's plan succeeds... he thwarts Jenova in the end (same ending as FF7 OG.)
HEAVY speculation now that I'm less certain of:
The universe of Creation is interesting though... because it makes me think of Genesis. It is the colour red, the colour of Meteor. But also red is the colour of Genesis. And creation is a synonym of Genesis. I almost wonder if Minerva cleansed Genesis in Crisis Core because she wants Genesis to be her champion and stop Sephiroth's plot. I wonder if Aerith replaces Minerva as the new goddess of the lifestream in the end. Perhaps Minerva is destroyed in order for Aerith to take over (but maybe when Minerva, the white heart of the lifestream dies, it becomes a black heart and Minerva becomes a new Jenova, starting a new cycle)... Anyhow, Minerva dies and now Aerith alone controls the lifestream, becomes the new "mother" and uses the lifestream to fight back against Meteor in the knick of time. I wonder if Sephiroth, Aerith, Zack and Biggs are fighting Minerva and Genesis in their world within the lifestream, while Cloud, Barret, Tifa etc. are fighting against Jenova and Sephiroth in the surface world? Probably not though. I think that Genesis represents the red, the colour between black and white in FF lore. The cosmic balance. But Sephiroth wins by defeating that cosmic balance, and stopping the end of the world, and its rebirth. I think that the gift of the goddess is delivered by both Minerva and Jenova. And it is the gift of death and rebirth. Loveless says the Goddess has "wings of light and dark" so perhaps Minerva and Jenova are both two sides of the same deity, delivering the same gift. And both must be defeated to save humanity.
Another fun fact here is that Jenova is just one letter away from being Jehova. Aka. God. A.K.A. The alpha and the omega, life and death, etc.
Additionally, Sephiroth is just one letter away from Sephirot which is very significant in Judaism and represents a physical connection or manifestation between one's self and..... God... or Jehova.
Sephiroth basically fulfills that role for Jenova.
Sephirot - JeHova
SephirotH - JeNova.
Coincidence?
Before anyone calls me crazy. I'll just mention that FFVII is chock full of references and influence from various world religions in addition to Norse mythology. The central theme that ties all of these things together. Is the beginning and end of all things. Life and death. The Alpha and the Omega.
Perhaps Cloud has the choice of tifa/Aerith survival ( a theme of choice already prominent in the remake ). The universe of death is the one where Tifa lives and the universe of creation is the one Aerith lives . So what’s the twist? Cloud can’t choose (“you can’t fall in love with me”) so a convergence of both? Is the Zack timeline the true rebirth and true ending? The events of the original 7 technically start from Zacks death and transference of memories to cloud and perhaps that the convergence of universes can only happen at this point. Aerith existed up until this point and it maybe needs her sacrifice to rid her and sephiroth from this point too in order to preserve this new timeline. Are they both representations of each universe? Both can’t exist without each other so a double elimination/ convergence is needed . I’ve always thought that there was significance when sephiroth knocks clouds sword out and gives the 7 seconds speech it feels like a choice is required here .
Also this would explain the absence of Aerith from the Zack church scene
@@robbowman3420 So to understand what you mean, the two universes could make a convergence at the moment where zack is supposed to die outside of Midgar and that will be the birth of a new timeline? You're saying Aerith being dead/sacrificing herself will keep this new converged timeline intact? Why would that also rid the universe of Sephiroth? Are you saying that what we have seen so far of the Zack scenes has been part of what will be the true ending all along?
@@ryanharrison3118 exactly that. Sephiroth is dead in the north crater, so without sephiroths puppetry of cloud , he will just stay dead or even be removed same as Aerith , so nothing about the story will ever play out. I haven’t factored the jenova piece tho . I thought about it from a writing stand point too. If ff7 remake failed in part one , how could they wrap it up easily? By having the actual final scenes of the saga in the first part . DLC to fill in the blanks
Maybe when he looks back at the universe of death he is talking to it and not cloud?
Alternate universes... meh. But Two futures makes sense, because that's literally what Remake is about. The original compilation concludes in humanity being wiped from Midgar and/or the planet, which On the Way to a Smile seems to be hinting that Vincent will survive long after humanity is wiped out. Red in remake called the meeting of Red and Vincent what will happen if they *FAIL.* Ultimania also says that Sephiroth has paused time 7 seconds before the planet dies, making moves to change its destiny.
Meanwhile... a future in which the world does not die would obviously be the goal of "Remaking" the past.
So less two universes...and more a divergent future.
can it be possibly be related with FF Dissidia?
Read my top comment i think i figured it out.
Maybe when Sephiroth dies at the end of the original his will pulled him out of the universe of death into this realm. Because of that, the planet brought Aerith back to counteract this and help Cloud defeat him again.
synonyms for Universe can be things just as small as Worlds, Solar System and Earth can even be interpreted as Universe, I wonder what the exact meaning Square has for this word in this situation
I hope that the focus made on another Galaxy (Singularity, Cosmos, maybe?) adds the possibility of making this series last forever and keep releasing new FF7 games even after the end of the Remake Project
But why male models?
That stars on the thumbnail is silhoute of sephiroth final form...look closely
Og timeline is the universe of death? Just like dr willy finally able to wipe out humanity in megaman legend even it took thousand years? (500 years in og timeline).
Why Cloud is the universe of creation is an interesting matter. Then take into consideration that this universe is literally represented by Jenova. If we split the name, Jenova. We get Jen, or Genesis. And Nova which is Latin for "New". Genesis is basically creation. So we can translate Jenova to "New Creation".
The thing is here that we've always seen Jenova as death. Not as creation. As stated before, death cannot exist without life as life cannot exist without death. Hence they could be seen as one in the same and this is the true purpose of Jenova.
So, perhaps Jenova's purpose was to create new life on the planet, but first it must destroy the old life. The Cetra prevented this which disrupted the cycle of life and death leading us the current crisis.
The current crisis in which Jenovas powers over life and death in the universe are split between the demi gods of cloud and sephiroth. Thus leading us back to why they need each other to exist.
This split occurred because they are infused with Jenova cells and Jenova can only exist through Cloud and Sephiroth due to having no physical form. Which leads me to my next point.
Hasnt it been confirmed that ffx and ff7 are the same universe? Cuz if you look yuna has the same beads as sephiroths sword in her hair so multiverse is possible and can be linked.... long shot but would be awesome
And also time travel could be possible
I was trying to compare the 2 but I can’t seem to find an image with sephiroth with beads but I’ve definitely seen it before. Any idea where we see it at?
@@DashingDavid ill have a look i did find the image yesterday but cant remember exactly where its from i just know its a thing
@@DashingDavid i am mistaken they are on his arm not sword
From dissidia
this was such a simple story when i played O.G ff7 now I really do not know whats going on .... they kind of ruined it for me in my humble opinion.
I actually liked it
@@seba-nw3qz yeah I don dislike it but the whole story is wishy washy now
Always down for a multiverse scenario. Not a new concept but always a cool one🤞🏻
Sounds confusing, sounds dumb as the matrix 4. At this point I'm just going to play it for the amazing fighting, music and characters.
Matrix 4 was definitely dumb lol
@@DashingDavid Indeed.😆
I mean it's interesting as well as confusing at the same time and personally I wanna see what happens next in this adventure but yeah we'll see.
Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it dumb.
@@Phantomyre well make it smart for me, if it was anything else it would be dumb. But because its ff7 its not? You know there's a thing called "too clever" right? That happens when they try to hard and throw in plots, twist an it leaves the story with more answers and pot holes by the time it ends. You watch the new spider man? Bro, you know how many pot holes and things were undone when you save people who die and bring them back to life? Will Harris son still be alive when the green goblin goes back now that he lives?
The remakes will most likely do a original trilogy Mass Effect where decisions will branch out to different endings/conclusions moving forward after the first game - The way I see it, the small variances in the events of 1 (like multiple dresses for Aerith, Tifa, and Cloud) are sort of their way of testing the waters with this before moving on the larger-scale branching story arcs. The way the terrier hinted this with Zack's scene is reminiscent of the Mandela effect, in which events or objects are remembered differently by various people (hinting at multiple timelines)
Well I am gonna be 100% honest here, I loved FF7R and I am looking forward to it's further installments and it was clear from the very start that this was a remake with some story changes and I don't know why they chose to do this instead of using the original story which could've made the matter more simpler,
And I also completely understand why some people are sceptical about the story changing decision or some critisism about them making it a multiple installments project but imo they had to do this cause the sheer amount of content in FF7 is so large and I think even two discs couldn't had covered this but again it's my opinion.
And about the alternate timeline concept, well it is confusing as well as interesting at the same point and I wonder why they chose to go this route but personally I am very interested and curious as to what'll happen next and I think it's gonna be at least 3 or more parts of FF7 but at this moment I just wanna see or hear some info about FF7R part 2:)
You have made my day Dave all the stuff that I have been saying over the past year and a half seems to becoming factual, who needs theory channels on YT when you can figure this st out for youselves.
Sephiroth is from a universe known as death/destruction, and Cloud is from a universe known as rebirth/reborn, which is the possibly the same universe.
Let me get this straight holy and the meteor isn't a pivotal plot point in remake who would of thought, lol, we've seen all that crap in cutscene or a window into a past memory, if we dive into memories a little we can now safely say that what has happened regarding og and the compilation has already fkg happened. Zack and Cloud is a timestamp it is a memory from a distant past possibly during the time of og FFVII.
Yes another correct theory, but supernova is potentially a plot twist lol that has made my day also, I can't believe this took everyone nearly two sodding years to finally understand wtf you were all looking at at the edge of creation was the remnants of a fkg supernova, you all needed a book to confirm this crap is funny.
This all makes sense because Sephiroth couldn't give afk about Gaia he wants to destroy it to be free from his prison which is Gaia itself, he was set free after defeating The Harbinger of Fate, finally remake is, end game scenario, Cloud looks likely to choose between rebirth and destruction.
Aerith or Sephiroth finally multiple endings, I was told adding mltiple endings in remake was bs and hard to add, foff lmfbo.
Sephiroth's ultimate goal is to use Cloud that is his ultimate goal, which leaves the question, after defeating The Harbinger of Fate Aerith was reborn, the Jesus of FFVII, and as Sephiroth said I will never be a memory, will Sephiroth still needs a vessel for his potential rebirth, is Kadaj coming back?
Thanks for making my day I need to skip to chapter 18 of my material ultimania and read that chapter. 👍
Aerith gave Cloud that materia in the church, which I tested and I know you cannot use it.
Aerith gave him the white materia, and he will also gain the black materia at some point, I wonder if Cloud will choise which materia to give Sephiroth at the Northern Crater, and if Aerith is killed again the player has the choice to keep her alive by accepting rebirth.
Only to lose somebody else important to him Tifa, bcuz this ship war is sinking at the end of remake for sure. lol.
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@@DashingDavid dr bro
Our world will become part of it was about glimpses of future. Watch that scene again, conversation before it was that future does not exist but we will reach a future one day.
Whispers shown you your destiny, will of the planet.
You didn't explained this video, you just went nuts with theories instead of explaining it.
Nah
i dont like the idea of multi verse, multi timeline... very cliche.
I don’t think it’s happened enough in gaming for it to be a cliche yet
@@DashingDavid not everything has to be hoping around universe to solve things you cant solve in your universe. Multi verse is a very weak plot.
@@DashingDavid it already happened in many games and movies. Multiverse, multi timeline. people cant learn to accept to live with their choices and consequences so that they jump around multi timeline to solve things. Very weak storytelling.