The fans, the city, and the county, made it clear that the downtown proposal was a non-starter. The chargers insisted on putting in on the ballot because it was designed to fail as an excuse to move the team. If they had made a serious push to redevelope the mission valley site they would be playing in SD today.
The downtown proposal was such a stupid idea. San Diego offered the Chargers a $1 dollar LEASE of mission valley land. One fucking dollar each year for 99 years… imagine having a stadium there and owning the surrounding area for bars, hotels, shops, and parking lots.. what a fucking idiot Dean Spanos is.
This is absolutely incorrect. Mayor Faulconer, rushed an initiative to put the Stadium in Mission Valley last minute. He put together a 1 year Environmental Impact Report which was unheard of at the time. Mayor Faulconer wanted housing in the east village, not a stadium and had ties to the group who wanted the same area the Chargers stadium wanted developed. He also supported Soccer City in Mission Valley (after the Chargers left) over the SDSU stadium plan. The Chargers left because, after nearly 20 years of asking for a stadium, there was finally a real threat coming into the SoCal market- The Rams, followed by the Raiders. The Chargers downtown stadium was not designed to fail, there was another ballot option that also wanted a mixed use stadium. The only problem that year was there were too many options to choose from when it came to the stadium. Two downtown proposals and the Mission valley proposal. The mayor effectively split the vote by sabotaging the team and putting it on the ballot. SD sports fans did not want to give up tailgating for a downtown stadium that would have taken that way so they opted for the Mission Valley site. The Chargers needed 65% approval for downtown and had 45% in total. The other two sites had (DT 5%, Mission Vally 20%). If the mayor didn't split the vote, the Chargers I believe get all the votes they needed to stay and remain competitive. Mission Valley would not have increased the Charger's value in the same way that Downtown would have.
I do look for Dean Spanos to eventually sell the Chargers, or either possibly moving the Chargers back to San Diego, I wish somebody else would buy the Chargers from Dean Spanos and move the team back to San Diego, where the team rightfully belongs
That Stadium was their best shot and best chance of keeping the Chargers. Not only would it have hosted many Superbowls for years to come. The closed Stadium would have also kept Comic Con and likely could have hosted the NCAAB Final Four.
What pissed me off the most about the Downtown Stadium was that only the city of San Diego got to vote on the proposal. If it would have been in Mission Valley, the WHOLE COUNTY would have had a vote and would have passed like SDSU's new stadium did.
Dean Spanos did that on purpose, he never had any true intentions of staying, Spanos wanted the fools gold in Los Angeles, rather then his loyal fans in San Diego
@@alcarbo8613 Not correct, since the city of San Diego was going to pay for it there was no jurisdiction for the other counties to vote since they didn't have any contributions to the project. Had he asked the state of CA for funds then everyone would have had a vote, but because it was a local issue only locals got to vote. He didn't get to decide who got to vote and who didn't. With that said he never wanted to stay in San Diego.
@@DebitAdams I agree he never intended to stay, the vote was a sham but it was not up to him to decide who got to vote and what area. It was a local issue so only the City of San Diego got to vote. He is not going to get the revenue he expects in LA is my guess since he is just a renter at this point. He gets almost nothing out of LA.
Fools gold man, I’ve been to 3 games at sofi since I live 2 hours away from there and man all 3 times the opposing fanbase took over. I feel like in San Diego that 12-4 season we had with Lynn would have had San Diego buzzing or shit even last years playoff run
NFL screwed it there . If they already got the L.A market with the Rams , got the raiders situation solved with las Vegas , they shoulda helped San Diego Keep their team , San diego is a nice city , a beach town perfect for superbowls , the weather , the location just the way NFL like their superbowls . Not very genius there NFL .
They could've easily built this at the Qualcomm site. Spanos, like Fischer with Oakland, was content to leave San Diego if they didn't fully fund if locally.
Exactly that's why if the owner paid out of pocket, they would've still had the Chargers in SD but spanos is just like fisher completely cheap and used it as excuse to exit. Both of them need to sell some than later.
None of these were gonna happen, dean wanted the stadiums publicly funded, plus the fans didn’t want a downtown location 😭 Frick Dean Spanos, but bolt up for life
The downtown site was not going to be publicly funded by San Diego taxpayers. It was a tourism tax increase (TOT) and that would have been funded by people visiting San Diego. The Mission Valley site was a proposed a 350 million SD publicly funded that the Mayor proposed.
@@MultiBaseball1010 TOT = Transient Occupancy Tax aka Tourism tax. San Diego residents are not the "public" intended to pay this, guests of the city are.
@@zeric_ Which is still public funding. That money could be earmarked for something else, if collected at all. And that's exactly what the city wanted, it earmarked for our most important public resource downtown, the Convention Center and the events it hosts including Comic-Con. Not wasted on a stadium no one wanted downtown.
The first Stadium which was the multi billion dollar down town stadium would have been approved and built had they have just kept public funds out of the project's funding completely. Because not a single cent of public funds should be spent on something not everyone wants. Had this stadium been built it would have been the NFL'S second most expensive stadium right below So Fi Stadium.
@@jasonrandom372 Agree to a point but not everyone wants to spend money on public transit or schools either, but these wealthy owners can build their own buildings and play pens. They don't need to the taxpayers.
That first stadium should have been proposed in Northern San Diego County along I-15 to lured people from the Inland Empire and Coachella Valley communities
This is what I didn't get after the Chargers announced their relocation. They were routinely mocked for attendance woes, how the stadium was filled with fans of opposing teams, etc. then after these stadium proposals failed. You then get this revisionism that how the Chargers were loved by San Diego, and Fans were begging for the the NFL to force the Chargers to move back.
The owner was marketing his home games to opposing fans to come to San Diego also prior to the Rams and Raiders leaving LA, opposing fans weren’t taking over Charger home games, that usually happened to the Rams
Crazy thing is that with the success Taylor Swift is having right now and how heartbroken a lot of San Diegans are that she is not performing in their city, along with missing out on Beyonce, epic sporting events, other big name music superstars, and a host of other events show that it is unwise to not build a massive NFL stadium in the long run. San Diego could be making a fortune back to pay off the hotel taxes that would've gone up and fill the coffers of all parties involved right now. Potentially a cautionary tale for Jacksonville and soon, Charlotte.
In the history of the NFL every city that's has lost a team to relocation once has eventually got another team back. LA got Rams back,Oakland got Raiders back,Houston got the Texans after Oilers left,St Louis got Rams after Cardinals left,Baltimore got Ravens after Colts moved,Cleveland got the Browns back,etc.....
I think the Chargers may find that moving back to San Diego is better then sharing a stadium they don't own with LA. Location is one thing but revenue is another. Chargers are always going to be at a disadvantage. If they can get a building on their own in San Diego and a new owner that's would be the best thing.
@@matthewkester3677 You've got a LONG WAIT, then... the Chargers have a $1/year non-breakable 20-year lease, with 2 ten-year renewal options. It will be 2060 when the lease is completely up.
@@matthewkester3677 You think Jerry Jones is going to allow another team in Texes ? Over his dead body. I think they will be back in San Diego at some point. Maybe not soon, there is always a way to get out of a lease, especially if the Rams don’t really want them sharing the building. They get some rent from then but that’s really it. Its not a huge benefit fro them.
Ppl act like Dean Spanos is cheap but the Chargers have historically paid all their players. LT was the highest paid RB when they paid him, Derwin James, Bosa, Keenan Allen, Corey Linsley, etc. You think that Herbert will be underpaid? I doubt it! I'm glad Chargers moved back home to LA. The Chargers were founded in LA in 1959.
I've heard rumors Joesph Tsai who owns Ali-Baba Corp who lives in San Diego and owns The San Diego Seals LaCrosse team and owns the Brooklyn Mets wants to buy them and move them back to SD. He is a billionaire and has the money to do it as well.
As far as seating goes and visibility of the field from just about any seat in the house IMO goes to the Seahawks. Their stadium is top notch for watching games at.
One of my good friends worked for the Chargers for over a decade as his father was a former TE for them in the 80's. Dean was hell bent on going to LA but his plan fizzled when Rams got the shot to get there first,now Chargers are in a lame duck situation. Chargers averaged 60k per game before the stadium and relocation threats started. Dean Spanos is the leagues biggest cheapskate and makes the worst decisions.
shame they couldnt get it done. San Diegans wont want to hear it, San Diego is not a sports town padres got lucky they went to the world series when petco was on the ballot. thats what the chargers needed.
Theu didn't necessarily fail! Dean Spanos started threatening to move if he didn't get a new stadium. Then he asked for the city to give him Qualcomm stadium land & surrounding areas. Then when he was about to move first time & San Diego county not the city came up with a way to build a new stadium in mission valley. Then Spanos pivoted from the very same land he asked for & asked for downtown knowing it wouldn't pass. Spanos got bad advice from people telling him the team value would skyrocket. He alienated his whole fanbase to be a Tennant in the Rams stadium.The Chargers are valued at same amount now as they would be had theu stayed in San Diego except spanos is paying millions for relocation fees and building new facilities.
Leave a 5 Billion dollar stadium and the 2nd largest media market? For a city that won't chip in for a new stadium? Chargers don't even remember where San Diego is.
@@aamiru1019 another disillusioned LA transplant fan. the chargers cant break top ten in attendance in brand new SoFi, even with the majority being away fans. to further prove the aforementioned, look at the local ratings. the "fight for la" ended, before it began. enjoy that shitty franchise, that will eventually sell and move down south, back home.
If they made the 2016 vote to the whole county, it would have had a better chance of winning. The city has more transplants, and the overall county had more fans. Plus, hotel owners who were anti new stadium and has the politicians pockets down here.
Spanos was/is the problem, terrible owner (though I can't really blame him, it is a business after all)! The cities close proximity to Mexico makes San Diego a baseball town, not a football town. I lived there from 1969 to 1987; fans were great - when they were winning. The bill that got defeated was designed to fail. This says it all - Ballot Measure C received only 43 percent support from San Diego County voters. (It needed at least 66.7 percent to pass) The stadium proposals were competing with a lot of misinformation from the local chamber of commerce in spite of their supposed support claiming the stadiums would divert too much revenue from the current convention center (a controversial Endeavour on its own only opened in 1989) and would cause a substantial decline in tourist revenue to the city (like I’m not going to visit the zoo cause of extra 1% tax). Attaching taxes to the tourist industry was really genius but was promoted as somehow devastating to the local hotel/tourist business which was a load of hooey. In the end, these stadiums, as fan-tastic as they are, rarely if ever pay for themselves and the supposed monetary benefit to cites is almost never realized in real terms. As a liflong Bolts fan I hated to see them go but I seriously doubt the chargers EVER return to San Diego - it’s all about the money!
In my opinion the owners of the Chargers ,the Spanos family, NEVER intended to keep the Chargers in San Diego. They always had their eyes on LA. And they got a sweetheart deal with the Rams at So-Fi stadium..$1 a year for 10 years and an option on the second 10 years. That's right ONE DOLLAR a YEAR!!
The city wanted to give that team the land in the valley but the chargers suck and said no and plus putting a stadium there would interfere with maritime trade at the port just stupid
The Downtown SD Stadium 🏟️ next too the San Diego Padres Ballpark was the most unrealistic plan🙄 SD Mission Valley is always gonna be the most ideal place for a San Diego Chargers⚡️ football 🏈 stadium🤷🏻
The owner of the Rams hates Dean Spanos. If it were up to him he would give them the boot ,but NFL setup the lease . It runs out down the road and i garuntee Stan Kroenke and Rams wont renew it.
I'm in the LA area and I can tell you, NO ONE gives a 💩 about the Chargers here. All of the Chargers fans wish that the team was back in San Diego! I don't know what the hell Spanos was thinking, but he was obviously wrong! The only good thing to come out of the Chargers relocation was that the Raiders DIDN'T come back to LA! Hopefully the Chargers will go back home to San Diego at some point.
I have been a Chargers fan for the last 40+ years. I love the team but I intensely dislike the Spanos family. It is almost criminal how they have abused the team for their own financial benefit. I hope they one day sell to someone who has the resources and desire to create a top tier NFL team.
There’s a trolley stop at the Mission Valley stadium site. Taking the trolley into downtown now going to a Padres game takes you through San Diego’s version of Skid Row. No one wanted another stadium built in Downtown
@@dreamcage1801 don’t blame him for moving to LA though, had multiple proposals struck down, but all anybody ever sees is the proposal in Downtown. Shits ridiculous.
@@dreamcage1801 I don't think the NBA goes back to SD and I doubt the NHL goes there either. NFL and MLB work in SD because they can be outdoors, people like the sun in SD not being stuck indoors.
“You can fool some of the people, some of the time, all of the people, some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.“ Abraham Lincoln. Bottom line there’s no way the citizens of San Diego were going to extend tax dollars to the Spanos family. We have an enormous, homelessness and infrastructure problem, and that’s where the money should go. I would love to have an NFL franchise in the city for a variety of reasons. But to spend billions of tax dollars for a venue for a regular season home games would have been foolish.
the "San Diego Curse" which seems to have followed the team to LA. The curse is caused by the pathetic fan base for sports in SD: starved the SD Clippers, ignored the Padres; but most egregiously by ghosting the SD Soccers, despite that team being the winningest team, in any sport. Shame and curse!
The Padres have some of the highest attendance numbers in the mlb the last few years.. the chargers ranked middle of the nfl in attendance until dean started pushing to move them to LA..
Funny thing about that is, the last 3 San Diego proposals failed by people taking a shit on the Chargers but then when it was announced the Chargers were moving to LA, fans hit the streets with their Chargers stuff and burned it while being mad they were leaving. Well, same fate is gonna happen in Phoenix with the Coyotes. Their proposals failed too by people where I live shitting on them and when they announce they gonna move, people are gonna burn their Coyotes stuff in the streets. What gets me the most is I know what will happen after the Coyotes relocate. People are gonna be crying for a second chance at an NHL team. It might take 10, 20 or even 30 years but who knows. Just to show people shouldn't shit on the team they are fans of. I say this when being sick to my stomache at the reloations in profressional sports and it all started with LA getting two NFL teams again!
It's no secret that NOBODY cares about the Coyotes. Hell, I live in Glendale, just a few minutes from the arena they used to play in and the place almost never sold out. The majority of fans there were always of the visiting team and it was embarrassing to witness the Coyotes not having a home ice advantage despite playing at home. The Coyotes are a failed franchise that should have relocated over a decade ago but there is only one idiot who would move heaven and earth to keep the team in Arizona at any cost and that idiot's name is GARY BETTMAN.
San Diego residents voted down a hotel and rental car tax to build the stadium near Petco with the convention center attached. No SD citizen taxer payer money to build it. But folks hated the owner and voted it all down. SD residents only have themselves to blame for the Chargers moving.
No one wanted it there. It wasn’t just that Dean was hated, it was a bad location for a football stadium. The hotels opposed it, the mayor opposed it, Comic-Con opposed it, and ultimately the city populace opposed it. Only one who wanted it downtown was Dean Spanos.
In the end your sports is all business like everything in America and whatever CITY will generate the MOST REVENUE is the goal. LAS VEGAS, LOS ANGELES etc.. the truth is there should be a law against it. Who is next out there that we're going to see move the A's to Las Vegas maybe the vikings to some place or the broncos or someone.
I guarantee that there are more Los Angeles Charger fans than there are San Diego Charger fans. San Diego Chargers never won anything! The Charger will probably win a SuperBowl this year or the next few years
I live in San Diego, we will glady take Chargers back as long Dean Spanos isn't the owner. You know it's hilarious when you have Detroit Lions fans overshadowing Sofi hahah LA will forever be a Raiders, 49ers, Cowboys and lakers city. Even if Chargers did originated in LA, they left for one season, and that reason was sports saturations! No matter how much you try, you will never win LA. LA will quickly shoot down Spanus stadium build like that. Bring them back home!
This is all the fans fault for the Chargers leaving, NOT Dean Spanos. They should've voted for the stadium and didn't, so it failed. Qualcomm was a decaying dump anyway and the Chargers desperately needed a new venue to play in. Haters like to point out that the Chargers are tenants at SoFi, but where can you pay only $1(ONE DOLLAR) a year to rent anywhere in L.A...WHERE?!?
Oh its 100% Spanos, he is one of the worst owners in the league. He wanted it built mostly with public money. He is in the same realm as Marc Davis, really has no business owning an NFL team. He sees it more as an investment.
@@scotttild built on taxpayer money, not like that’s unheard of, literally paid for Petco Park with the majority being off of taxpayer dollars. Bitch all you want about them not staying, at the end of the day y’all really didn’t want them.
@@bobbowie9350 The Chokers are basically playing in another Team's house. If they were actual partners then they would own a 50& stake of Sofi Stadium but they don't own SHIT there! It's why Rams fans constantly belittle them with the truth. *PAY UR RENT!*
Please read my part 2 comment but growing up as a kid in San Diego and only going to one charger game is truly sad not having them does sucks Btw does anyone think we will ever have a NFL team in the future my teacher came up with a good idea prt 2 in replies
My teacher came up with a idea that Jeff bezos could build a Amazon football stadium because how San Diego already has Amazon factories so he thought it would be a great investment
Yes-but it will probably be conditional that one of the San Diego Metro communities and county contribute at least a tiny bit of public money to build a stadium. The reality is that unless a city is New York, LA, or Miami, almost no owner or league is going to built a stadium with 100% private funds (case in point, the Bay Area contributed public funds for the 49ers and even the Bears want some form of public funds in Chicago). When a city realizes that, they don't lose teams. Good news is recent teams have reached out to San Diego whenever they've had discussions to build stadiums. The government there should make sure they take future opportunities completely seriously and put everything they can behind it to make it work.
SD doesnt deserve the Chargers.. fans in SD could never fill Qualcomm Stadium which was the smallest stadium in the nfl at the time. LA fans show out way more than SD fans ever have. Chargers will never go back to SD. They were founded in 1959 in Los Angeles, they are back home. They were the first original LA football team..
It's so obvious Depressed Ginger doesn't like the Chargers in L.A. Sorry to burst your bubble, redhead, but the Chargers are staying in L.A. long term. Their headquarters in El Segundo is being built and will be ready next year. It wouldn't make any sense to relocate to another city or even back to San Diego at this point since Snapdragon Stadium is way too small for NFL standards.
SoFi is still better than all 3 in my humble opinion. I'm happy the Chargers Charged back to their birthplace to reclaim their Birthright and grow the Bolt fam.
More like crawl up north to kiss Kroneke's ass to be second rate renters in his stadium. The Chargers don't even have a real home anymore now that they're the 5th most important football team in Los Angeles (after the Rams, USC, UCLA and LAFC).
@MultiBaseball1010 what a weak minded way of looking at things you have? you're clearly easily manipulated by nonsensical slander campaigns. Week 17 against the rams, we Proved it was the Chargers Home when we in the Bolt Fam took over the stadium. Demoralized their team and then destroyed them 31-10. cleavland rams also pay rent by the way. They own the same percentage of SoFi as the Chargers. The only reason they were willing to pay more was so they weren't forced to stay in St Louis after the city they abandoned won the lawsuit against them and now hates them. Because they actually did their city dirty. The chargers on the other hand got Done dirty by their city and then. Did what's best for their team and the growth of their Fan base.
I always felt the chargers belonged in LA since san Diego wouldn't help fund a stadium. St Louis is the only city that didn't deserve to lose their team
The Rams never should’ve been allowed to move to STL in 1995. Had STL officials not screwed over Bill Bidwell in 1988 the Cardinals would still be there instead of in AZ!
It was just greed on Spanish plain and simple. They screwed San Diegans and I truly wish they'd sell the chargers to someone who would take them back to San Diego where they belong
Funny how SD fans wanted the Chargers to stay but kept voting it down and saying spanos should pay for it. Meanwhile Raiders didn't have to pay for their own stadium. So keep telling us how much SD really wanted to keep the Chargers. Ad wanted to be relevant at no cost. Meanwhile Vegas keeps evolving and was really to pay up to stay relevant. Ad is NOT a sports town period.
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The fans, the city, and the county, made it clear that the downtown proposal was a non-starter. The chargers insisted on putting in on the ballot because it was designed to fail as an excuse to move the team. If they had made a serious push to redevelope the mission valley site they would be playing in SD today.
The downtown proposal was such a stupid idea. San Diego offered the Chargers a $1 dollar LEASE of mission valley land. One fucking dollar each year for 99 years… imagine having a stadium there and owning the surrounding area for bars, hotels, shops, and parking lots.. what a fucking idiot Dean Spanos is.
This is absolutely incorrect. Mayor Faulconer, rushed an initiative to put the Stadium in Mission Valley last minute. He put together a 1 year Environmental Impact Report which was unheard of at the time. Mayor Faulconer wanted housing in the east village, not a stadium and had ties to the group who wanted the same area the Chargers stadium wanted developed. He also supported Soccer City in Mission Valley (after the Chargers left) over the SDSU stadium plan.
The Chargers left because, after nearly 20 years of asking for a stadium, there was finally a real threat coming into the SoCal market- The Rams, followed by the Raiders. The Chargers downtown stadium was not designed to fail, there was another ballot option that also wanted a mixed use stadium. The only problem that year was there were too many options to choose from when it came to the stadium. Two downtown proposals and the Mission valley proposal.
The mayor effectively split the vote by sabotaging the team and putting it on the ballot. SD sports fans did not want to give up tailgating for a downtown stadium that would have taken that way so they opted for the Mission Valley site. The Chargers needed 65% approval for downtown and had 45% in total. The other two sites had (DT 5%, Mission Vally 20%).
If the mayor didn't split the vote, the Chargers I believe get all the votes they needed to stay and remain competitive.
Mission Valley would not have increased the Charger's value in the same way that Downtown would have.
Not exactly! Their were multiple Mission Valley Stadium proposals that fell through for safety and environmental concerns.
@@jasonrandom372 gee its funny how sdsu had no problem with safety and environmental stuff.
Absolutely correct. The downtown stadium was dead before it went on the ballot and was simply a cover to bail.
I do look for Dean Spanos to eventually sell the Chargers, or either possibly moving the Chargers back to San Diego, I wish somebody else would buy the Chargers from Dean Spanos and move the team back to San Diego, where the team rightfully belongs
Nah. /
Chula vista is planning to build a 50k seat stadium maybe Chargers can come back without Dean Spanos
@@Cobra-eu5pc No way in Hell will a Stadium be built in Chula Vista. To much congestion and lack of reliable public transportation.
@@Cobra-eu5pcohh wow sweet I’m confident that that’ll get built and done with
@@jasonrandom372Doesn't bother me when i head to North Island Credit union amphitheater
You don't need a closed stadium in San Diego my goodness
That Stadium was their best shot and best chance of keeping the Chargers. Not only would it have hosted many Superbowls for years to come. The closed Stadium would have also kept Comic Con and likely could have hosted the NCAAB Final Four.
I agree, I don't understand this whole fad with domes. Open air is just way better to attend and watch on tv. Plus be so much cheaper.
@@jasonrandom372 There is only so many FF and SB to go around, but SD might have gotten in some kind of rotation where they like to go back to.
What pissed me off the most about the Downtown Stadium was that only the city of San Diego got to vote on the proposal. If it would have been in Mission Valley, the WHOLE COUNTY would have had a vote and would have passed like SDSU's new stadium did.
Dean Spanos did that on purpose, he never had any true intentions of staying, Spanos wanted the fools gold in Los Angeles, rather then his loyal fans in San Diego
@@alcarbo8613 Not correct, since the city of San Diego was going to pay for it there was no jurisdiction for the other counties to vote since they didn't have any contributions to the project. Had he asked the state of CA for funds then everyone would have had a vote, but because it was a local issue only locals got to vote. He didn't get to decide who got to vote and who didn't. With that said he never wanted to stay in San Diego.
@Scott Tilden He did it for theater because he knew it wasn't going to win and just did it so he can ease out and approval to move.
Or Petco Park for that matter.
@@DebitAdams I agree he never intended to stay, the vote was a sham but it was not up to him to decide who got to vote and what area. It was a local issue so only the City of San Diego got to vote. He is not going to get the revenue he expects in LA is my guess since he is just a renter at this point. He gets almost nothing out of LA.
No one in Los Angeles cares about the Chargers. They had good fans in San Diego. The NFL needs to start saying no to the owners.
As long as the Spanos' are the owners they are staying put in L.A. That's why the Spanos' need to sell the team.
They’ve increased their market numbers immensely in LA, why tf would they go back.
Fools gold man, I’ve been to 3 games at sofi since I live 2 hours away from there and man all 3 times the opposing fanbase took over. I feel like in San Diego that 12-4 season we had with Lynn would have had San Diego buzzing or shit even last years playoff run
@@jasonrandom372 they remind us of Snyder
fans stopped showing up in San Diego as well, we had opposing fans filling up the stadiums for years
NFL screwed it there . If they already got the L.A market with the Rams , got the raiders situation solved with las Vegas , they shoulda helped San Diego Keep their team , San diego is a nice city , a beach town perfect for superbowls , the weather , the location just the way NFL like their superbowls . Not very genius there NFL .
San Diego is a major city not just a beach town my goodness
Owners don’t like to spend their own money which they are cheapskates
@@dreamcage1801 And they moved to a stadium that didn't get any tax payer money but they don't own any of it. They are renters for the most part.
@@scotttild right they need their own crib
@@aicofrena505 San Diego attraction was the weather which contributed well with beach goers
The Charger’s will eventually return to SD they don’t draw in LA
Not if the Spanos are still the owners. That will only happen if the team is sold.
Once Spanos sells the team and the right purchase them than they’ll move back to SD
@@dreamcage1801let hope no one buy the team and move them out of California
@@coreylevine8095 naw dawg Chargers belong in SD! Period!
Dean Spanos knew these proposals had no chance of passing. A rebuild in Mission Valley would have had a legit chance to pass.
Could have build a new arena where the potential new NBA/NHL arena is gonna be at is the Midway area
as a Chargers fan it disappoints me that they couldnt get a stadium done ..
It would have been done if they had just kept public funds out of the project's funding completely.
They could've easily built this at the Qualcomm site. Spanos, like Fischer with Oakland, was content to leave San Diego if they didn't fully fund if locally.
Exactly that's why if the owner paid out of pocket, they would've still had the Chargers in SD but spanos is just like fisher completely cheap and used it as excuse to exit. Both of them need to sell some than later.
None of these were gonna happen, dean wanted the stadiums publicly funded, plus the fans didn’t want a downtown location 😭
Frick Dean Spanos, but bolt up for life
The downtown site was not going to be publicly funded by San Diego taxpayers. It was a tourism tax increase (TOT) and that would have been funded by people visiting San Diego. The Mission Valley site was a proposed a 350 million SD publicly funded that the Mayor proposed.
TOT is public funding. Pretending it’s not is just crazy.
@@MultiBaseball1010 public funding geared at tourists not people who live in San Diego
@@MultiBaseball1010 TOT = Transient Occupancy Tax aka Tourism tax. San Diego residents are not the "public" intended to pay this, guests of the city are.
@@zeric_ Which is still public funding. That money could be earmarked for something else, if collected at all. And that's exactly what the city wanted, it earmarked for our most important public resource downtown, the Convention Center and the events it hosts including Comic-Con. Not wasted on a stadium no one wanted downtown.
The voters were right to vote the stadium down. If the Spanos family wanted a new stadium then go build one. Leave the tax payers out of it.
The first Stadium which was the multi billion dollar down town stadium would have been approved and built had they have just kept public funds out of the project's funding completely. Because not a single cent of public funds should be spent on something not everyone wants. Had this stadium been built it would have been the NFL'S second most expensive stadium right below So Fi Stadium.
@@jasonrandom372 Agree to a point but not everyone wants to spend money on public transit or schools either, but these wealthy owners can build their own buildings and play pens. They don't need to the taxpayers.
That first stadium should have been proposed in Northern San Diego County along I-15 to lured people from the Inland Empire and Coachella Valley communities
This is what I didn't get after the Chargers announced their relocation. They were routinely mocked for attendance woes, how the stadium was filled with fans of opposing teams, etc. then after these stadium proposals failed. You then get this revisionism that how the Chargers were loved by San Diego, and Fans were begging for the the NFL to force the Chargers to move back.
The owner was marketing his home games to opposing fans to come to San Diego also prior to the Rams and Raiders leaving LA, opposing fans weren’t taking over Charger home games, that usually happened to the Rams
Only time it happened was after Spanos threatened to move. It turned fans off just luke it did in Houston and Cleveland etc....
Crazy thing is that with the success Taylor Swift is having right now and how heartbroken a lot of San Diegans are that she is not performing in their city, along with missing out on Beyonce, epic sporting events, other big name music superstars, and a host of other events show that it is unwise to not build a massive NFL stadium in the long run. San Diego could be making a fortune back to pay off the hotel taxes that would've gone up and fill the coffers of all parties involved right now.
Potentially a cautionary tale for Jacksonville and soon, Charlotte.
In the history of the NFL every city that's has lost a team to relocation once has eventually got another team back. LA got Rams back,Oakland got Raiders back,Houston got the Texans after Oilers left,St Louis got Rams after Cardinals left,Baltimore got Ravens after Colts moved,Cleveland got the Browns back,etc.....
I think the Chargers may find that moving back to San Diego is better then sharing a stadium they don't own with LA. Location is one thing but revenue is another. Chargers are always going to be at a disadvantage. If they can get a building on their own in San Diego and a new owner that's would be the best thing.
We do not want them back... unless the Spanos family sells the Chargers to Elon Musk.
when the lease is up at Sofi, they will head to San Antonio, mark my word
@@matthewkester3677 You've got a LONG WAIT, then... the Chargers have a $1/year non-breakable 20-year lease, with 2 ten-year renewal options. It will be 2060 when the lease is completely up.
@@matthewkester3677 You think Jerry Jones is going to allow another team in Texes ? Over his dead body. I think they will be back in San Diego at some point. Maybe not soon, there is always a way to get out of a lease, especially if the Rams don’t really want them sharing the building. They get some rent from then but that’s really it. Its not a huge benefit fro them.
Ppl act like Dean Spanos is cheap but the Chargers have historically paid all their players. LT was the highest paid RB when they paid him, Derwin James, Bosa, Keenan Allen, Corey Linsley, etc. You think that Herbert will be underpaid? I doubt it! I'm glad Chargers moved back home to LA. The Chargers were founded in LA in 1959.
I've heard rumors Joesph Tsai who owns Ali-Baba Corp who lives in San Diego and owns The San Diego Seals LaCrosse team and owns the Brooklyn Mets wants to buy them and move them back to SD. He is a billionaire and has the money to do it as well.
Chula Vista is planning on building a 50k seat stadium maybe the Chargers can return to SD without Dean Spanos as owner
Possibly or expand
Can u make a video on the failed LA stadium proposals?
As far as seating goes and visibility of the field from just about any seat in the house IMO goes to the Seahawks. Their stadium is top notch for watching games at.
I sometimes wonder what it would be like if the Chargers had stayed in San Diego, CA.
Fans in San Diego would still support them
One of my good friends worked for the Chargers for over a decade as his father was a former TE for them in the 80's. Dean was hell bent on going to LA but his plan fizzled when Rams got the shot to get there first,now Chargers are in a lame duck situation. Chargers averaged 60k per game before the stadium and relocation threats started. Dean Spanos is the leagues biggest cheapskate and makes the worst decisions.
shame they couldnt get it done.
San Diegans wont want to hear it, San Diego is not a sports town padres got lucky they went to the world series when petco was on the ballot. thats what the chargers needed.
If anyone’s going to a game in San Diego lmk
Theu didn't necessarily fail! Dean Spanos started threatening to move if he didn't get a new stadium. Then he asked for the city to give him Qualcomm stadium land & surrounding areas. Then when he was about to move first time & San Diego county not the city came up with a way to build a new stadium in mission valley. Then Spanos pivoted from the very same land he asked for & asked for downtown knowing it wouldn't pass. Spanos got bad advice from people telling him the team value would skyrocket. He alienated his whole fanbase to be a Tennant in the Rams stadium.The Chargers are valued at same amount now as they would be had theu stayed in San Diego except spanos is paying millions for relocation fees and building new facilities.
Tesla stadium in San Diego for the chargers!!!!!!! Make it happen
I give it 15 years tops before the Chargers come crowingly back home to San Diego, it is just not working in Los Angeles
Leave a 5 Billion dollar stadium and the 2nd largest media market? For a city that won't chip in for a new stadium?
Chargers don't even remember where San Diego is.
Most of the games are almost already sold out- so how is it " not working out"
Nah. /
Lol “not working out” clearly you haven’t been to games up here… the “chargers have no fans” line is wearing out cause of the fans in LA
@@aamiru1019 another disillusioned LA transplant fan. the chargers cant break top ten in attendance in brand new SoFi, even with the majority being away fans. to further prove the aforementioned, look at the local ratings. the "fight for la" ended, before it began. enjoy that shitty franchise, that will eventually sell and move down south, back home.
Need binoculars even for front row seating it's so far away on that second ine
If they made the 2016 vote to the whole county, it would have had a better chance of winning. The city has more transplants, and the overall county had more fans. Plus, hotel owners who were anti new stadium and has the politicians pockets down here.
Spanos was/is the problem, terrible owner (though I can't really blame him, it is a business after all)! The cities close proximity to Mexico makes San Diego a baseball town, not a football town. I lived there from 1969 to 1987; fans were great - when they were winning. The bill that got defeated was designed to fail. This says it all - Ballot Measure C received only 43 percent support from San Diego County voters. (It needed at least 66.7 percent to pass) The stadium proposals were competing with a lot of misinformation from the local chamber of commerce in spite of their supposed support claiming the stadiums would divert too much revenue from the current convention center (a controversial Endeavour on its own only opened in 1989) and would cause a substantial decline in tourist revenue to the city (like I’m not going to visit the zoo cause of extra 1% tax). Attaching taxes to the tourist industry was really genius but was promoted as somehow devastating to the local hotel/tourist business which was a load of hooey. In the end, these stadiums, as fan-tastic as they are, rarely if ever pay for themselves and the supposed monetary benefit to cites is almost never realized in real terms. As a liflong Bolts fan I hated to see them go but I seriously doubt the chargers EVER return to San Diego - it’s all about the money!
In my opinion the owners of the Chargers ,the Spanos family, NEVER intended to keep the Chargers in San Diego. They always had their eyes on LA. And they got a sweetheart deal with the Rams at So-Fi stadium..$1 a year for 10 years and an option on the second 10 years. That's right ONE DOLLAR a YEAR!!
The downtown stadium had great character for more then just football
The city wanted to give that team the land in the valley but the chargers suck and said no and plus putting a stadium there would interfere with maritime trade at the port just stupid
They should have made the stadium in point Loma Near the pachenga arena
Agreed
LMAO Even 7 year old renderings are outdated in the NFL
The Downtown SD Stadium 🏟️ next too the San Diego Padres Ballpark was the most unrealistic plan🙄 SD Mission Valley is always gonna be the most ideal place for a San Diego Chargers⚡️ football 🏈 stadium🤷🏻
why the emojis like I know what those words look like 💀
It's not too late to save the Chargers!
If the first stadium is built in that timeline and approved, the raiders would have moved to sofi and share with the rams
NFL didn’t want the Raiders back in LA. Raiders fans in LA are gangbangers.
The owner of the Rams hates Dean Spanos. If it were up to him he would give them the boot ,but NFL setup the lease . It runs out down the road and i garuntee Stan Kroenke and Rams wont renew it.
10+ years is down the road. In addition he has two options for another 20.
The third chargers stadium looks like Manchester City Football stadium, just a San Diego version 😂
I'm in the LA area and I can tell you, NO ONE gives a 💩 about the Chargers here. All of the Chargers fans wish that the team was back in San Diego! I don't know what the hell Spanos was thinking, but he was obviously wrong! The only good thing to come out of the Chargers relocation was that the Raiders DIDN'T come back to LA! Hopefully the Chargers will go back home to San Diego at some point.
I have been a Chargers fan for the last 40+ years. I love the team but I intensely dislike the Spanos family. It is almost criminal how they have abused the team for their own financial benefit. I hope they one day sell to someone who has the resources and desire to create a top tier NFL team.
Why would anyone be against a downtown stadium? Especially when they have a bit of rail network so everyone wouldn’t have to drive.
There’s a trolley stop at the Mission Valley stadium site. Taking the trolley into downtown now going to a Padres game takes you through San Diego’s version of Skid Row. No one wanted another stadium built in Downtown
Blame San Diego politicians for why the Charges dipped on SD
Both parties were in the wrong. The fans were disrespected.
@@FlyPastAll owner is a corny ass dude tho too
@@dreamcage1801 don’t blame him for moving to LA though, had multiple proposals struck down, but all anybody ever sees is the proposal in Downtown. Shits ridiculous.
sd should get a expansion team like San Diego FC
NHL & NBA can possibly come to SD in the future too
@@dreamcage1801 I don't think the NBA goes back to SD and I doubt the NHL goes there either. NFL and MLB work in SD because they can be outdoors, people like the sun in SD not being stuck indoors.
@@scotttild well things have changed sd wants to expand
I vote for a San Diego NFL, USFL, and XFL stadium next door to Petco Park
Chula vista is building a 50k seat stadium maybe Chargers can come back without Dean Spanos
Yes and a SD indoor arena for the NBA, NHL, NCAA, UFC and concerts will be build soon
@@dreamcage1801 WNBA too, give College a break
@@manuelgrothe608 yes WNBA and WWE
“You can fool some of the people, some of the time, all of the people, some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.“ Abraham Lincoln. Bottom line there’s no way the citizens of San Diego were going to extend tax dollars to the Spanos family. We have an enormous, homelessness and infrastructure problem, and that’s where the money should go. I would love to have an NFL franchise in the city for a variety of reasons. But to spend billions of tax dollars for a venue for a regular season home games would have been foolish.
Spanos family are toxic to the NFL
the "San Diego Curse" which seems to have followed the team to LA. The curse is caused by the pathetic fan base for sports in SD: starved the SD Clippers, ignored the Padres; but most egregiously by ghosting the SD Soccers, despite that team being the winningest team, in any sport. Shame and curse!
The Padres have some of the highest attendance numbers in the mlb the last few years..
the chargers ranked middle of the nfl in attendance until dean started pushing to move them to LA..
@@evanyo3360 wait till the NBA returns to San Diego their attendance will rise through the roof
Funny thing about that is, the last 3 San Diego proposals failed by people taking a shit on the Chargers but then when it was announced the Chargers were moving to LA, fans hit the streets with their Chargers stuff and burned it while being mad they were leaving. Well, same fate is gonna happen in Phoenix with the Coyotes. Their proposals failed too by people where I live shitting on them and when they announce they gonna move, people are gonna burn their Coyotes stuff in the streets. What gets me the most is I know what will happen after the Coyotes relocate. People are gonna be crying for a second chance at an NHL team. It might take 10, 20 or even 30 years but who knows. Just to show people shouldn't shit on the team they are fans of. I say this when being sick to my stomache at the reloations in profressional sports and it all started with LA getting two NFL teams again!
It's no secret that NOBODY cares about the Coyotes. Hell, I live in Glendale, just a few minutes from the arena they used to play in and the place almost never sold out. The majority of fans there were always of the visiting team and it was embarrassing to witness the Coyotes not having a home ice advantage despite playing at home. The Coyotes are a failed franchise that should have relocated over a decade ago but there is only one idiot who would move heaven and earth to keep the team in Arizona at any cost and that idiot's name is GARY BETTMAN.
San Diego residents voted down a hotel and rental car tax to build the stadium near Petco with the convention center attached. No SD citizen taxer payer money to build it. But folks hated the owner and voted it all down. SD residents only have themselves to blame for the Chargers moving.
No one wanted it there. It wasn’t just that Dean was hated, it was a bad location for a football stadium. The hotels opposed it, the mayor opposed it, Comic-Con opposed it, and ultimately the city populace opposed it. Only one who wanted it downtown was Dean Spanos.
@@MultiBaseball1010 they had other proposals too, they were all struck down. They ain’t moving back, like it or not, LA has increased their revenue.
@@howardstrike8753but LA fans don’t fuck with the Chargers like they fuck with the Rams. Chargers belong in San Diego. Period!
interesting feedback. Thanks for sharing.
The chargers have more fans In LA than San Diego
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In the end your sports is all business like everything in America and whatever CITY will generate the MOST REVENUE is the goal. LAS VEGAS, LOS ANGELES etc.. the truth is there should be a law against it. Who is next out there that we're going to see move the A's to Las Vegas maybe the vikings to some place or the broncos or someone.
I guarantee that there are more Los Angeles Charger fans than there are San Diego Charger fans. San Diego Chargers never won anything! The Charger will probably win a SuperBowl this year or the next few years
We need a few videos on this mess haha
I live in San Diego, we will glady take Chargers back as long Dean Spanos isn't the owner. You know it's hilarious when you have Detroit Lions fans overshadowing Sofi hahah LA will forever be a Raiders, 49ers, Cowboys and lakers city. Even if Chargers did originated in LA, they left for one season, and that reason was sports saturations! No matter how much you try, you will never win LA. LA will quickly shoot down Spanus stadium build like that. Bring them back home!
I can be a owner of the Chargers and I would be doing everything in my hard earn power to bring them back to San Diego
Lol your voice sound just pissed I love it
Get a life bro🤣This is old news and the Chokers are L.A.'s problem now.
So glad they are in LA now! GO BOLTS
This is all the fans fault for the Chargers leaving, NOT Dean Spanos. They should've voted for the stadium and didn't, so it failed. Qualcomm was a decaying dump anyway and the Chargers desperately needed a new venue to play in. Haters like to point out that the Chargers are tenants at SoFi, but where can you pay only $1(ONE DOLLAR) a year to rent anywhere in L.A...WHERE?!?
Oh its 100% Spanos, he is one of the worst owners in the league. He wanted it built mostly with public money. He is in the same realm as Marc Davis, really has no business owning an NFL team. He sees it more as an investment.
Chargers are partners , not tenants. Don't believe the hype.
@@scotttild built on taxpayer money, not like that’s unheard of, literally paid for Petco Park with the majority being off of taxpayer dollars. Bitch all you want about them not staying, at the end of the day y’all really didn’t want them.
@@bobbowie9350 The Chokers are basically playing in another Team's house. If they were actual partners then they would own a 50& stake of Sofi Stadium but they don't own SHIT there! It's why Rams fans constantly belittle them with the truth. *PAY UR RENT!*
Please read my part 2 comment but growing up as a kid in San Diego and only going to one charger game is truly sad not having them does sucks
Btw does anyone think we will ever have a NFL team in the future my teacher came up with a good idea prt 2 in replies
My teacher came up with a idea that Jeff bezos could build a Amazon football stadium because how San Diego already has Amazon factories so he thought it would be a great investment
Yes-but it will probably be conditional that one of the San Diego Metro communities and county contribute at least a tiny bit of public money to build a stadium.
The reality is that unless a city is New York, LA, or Miami, almost no owner or league is going to built a stadium with 100% private funds (case in point, the Bay Area contributed public funds for the 49ers and even the Bears want some form of public funds in Chicago). When a city realizes that, they don't lose teams. Good news is recent teams have reached out to San Diego whenever they've had discussions to build stadiums. The government there should make sure they take future opportunities completely seriously and put everything they can behind it to make it work.
SD doesnt deserve the Chargers.. fans in SD could never fill Qualcomm Stadium which was the smallest stadium in the nfl at the time. LA fans show out way more than SD fans ever have. Chargers will never go back to SD. They were founded in 1959 in Los Angeles, they are back home. They were the first original LA football team..
Im glad the chargers are in LA 😅 means i dont need to drive as far for the games.
Also no competition for tickets cuz LA hates them 🎉
It's so obvious Depressed Ginger doesn't like the Chargers in L.A. Sorry to burst your bubble, redhead, but the Chargers are staying in L.A. long term. Their headquarters in El Segundo is being built and will be ready next year. It wouldn't make any sense to relocate to another city or even back to San Diego at this point since Snapdragon Stadium is way too small for NFL standards.
They can still get out of the lease though
Leave it alone bro... old news... chargers in la now..
La is rams town dawg
SoFi is still better than all 3 in my humble opinion. I'm happy the Chargers Charged back to their birthplace to reclaim their Birthright and grow the Bolt fam.
More like crawl up north to kiss Kroneke's ass to be second rate renters in his stadium. The Chargers don't even have a real home anymore now that they're the 5th most important football team in Los Angeles (after the Rams, USC, UCLA and LAFC).
@MultiBaseball1010 what a weak minded way of looking at things you have? you're clearly easily manipulated by nonsensical slander campaigns.
Week 17 against the rams, we Proved it was the Chargers Home when we in the Bolt Fam took over the stadium. Demoralized their team and then destroyed them 31-10. cleavland rams also pay rent by the way. They own the same percentage of SoFi as the Chargers. The only reason they were willing to pay more was so they weren't forced to stay in St Louis after the city they abandoned won the lawsuit against them and now hates them. Because they actually did their city dirty. The chargers on the other hand got Done dirty by their city and then. Did what's best for their team and the growth of their Fan base.
I always felt the chargers belonged in LA since san Diego wouldn't help fund a stadium. St Louis is the only city that didn't deserve to lose their team
The Rams never should’ve been allowed to move to STL in 1995. Had STL officials not screwed over Bill Bidwell in 1988 the Cardinals would still be there instead of in AZ!
It was just greed on Spanish plain and simple. They screwed San Diegans and I truly wish they'd sell the chargers to someone who would take them back to San Diego where they belong
Funny how SD fans wanted the Chargers to stay but kept voting it down and saying spanos should pay for it. Meanwhile Raiders didn't have to pay for their own stadium. So keep telling us how much SD really wanted to keep the Chargers. Ad wanted to be relevant at no cost. Meanwhile Vegas keeps evolving and was really to pay up to stay relevant. Ad is NOT a sports town period.