Jerry Garcia-Steven Marcus Interview 10/14/1986 @ GDTS
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- An interview I did 10 days after Jerry's "comeback" gig at The Stone after his coma in 1986. This was Jerry's first interview after the coma...This was done upstairs at the Grateful Dead Ticket Sales office in front of "The Wall" of envelopes...at the end of the interview, Jerry makes some comments on the envelopes...this is a copy of a copy because somehow I have lost the master :-( David Gans is running the video camera...The audio was dubbed from David's audio master....that's a long story! Thank you David for this copy!
When the idea came up to do this interview (for Night of The Living Deadheads at Wolfgangs some days later) I said that David Gans would do the interview and I would run the camera and Jerry responded "You do the interview and let David run the camera." I got to know Jerry better later in 1987 and on...I'm glad you enjoyed the interview, I had fun doing it!
Great job
Thank you so much 🎉
❤
I always be grateful that i got the chance to see the dead play live in concert numerous times. RIP JG
and thank you Steven for hosting this very memorable interview, one of the most "iconic" interviews in Dead history, as its been written about thoroughly. thisll be 27 years old in 4 days
He signed the hotel message from Merl Saunders that was left under my door that morning. Merl hooked us up with the passes, talk about a Sweetheart, Merl was an amazing person. I posted a scan of the signed message on Merl's Facebook page. Jerry was a genuine rock star but spoke to me with such interest and energy it was like I was just hanging at the local club and talking with my friend. He was playing Broadway the next week or so and remarked how surprised he was it had sold out. Crazy.
I loved Jerry digging the get well card art after the interview, he was truly a curious cat, and an artist in his own right
Thanks for saving this material and uploading it! History! Thank you!
Thank you Kati, this is the interview you told me about..nice..i like what he said about little video cameras...wish that attitude was more universal..
Thank you for sharing this with us Steve ! How Fun !
I'm glad I think to watch this every so often, I may not be objective about this but I think it's one of the best interviews with Jerry out there. He's relaxed and Steve's asking the interesting questions. Also it's not being shown within any sort of time limit nor filmed in a formal setting w/ Gans running the camera and it being shot in the ticket office (after "engaging.") Love this.
the white fade out really hit me hard. i miss Jerry man, fuck! the worst part is that technically he's still young enough to have been alive today, but as i say everytime i hit this bummer trip,i remember it was his life to live, who are we to judge or say anything? thanks for keepin it alive Jerry.
Every time I listen to an interview with Jerry starting way back from the early days up until this one he always is the same in that he never ceases to astound me with his wonderful way of thinking. He always teaches me something without ever meaning to. Just a beautiful person...so enlightening and helpful and unimposing. I like what David Crosby said: If there could be one person who could speak for all musicians, it's Jerry
Well Jerry I dont know why you and others made so many videos showing so much about your self. But if you think we needed that many videos they are appreciated. If you watch enough its almost like we get to hang out with you! I am glad you were around, glad you liked all the fans and the fans really liked you. Also heard you were a music teacher for a while. Wish you were still around! I think everyone misses you. You should of seen what they did in the future it was a real bummer! Take car Jerry and wish you, your family and friends much luck!!!
This is a fantastic interview of the many that I have seen of Garcia. These are the type of questions I would personally ask him being an enormous fan of his and the Dead. Bringing back old songs, favorite places to play, drugs, aliens, various questions about deadheads, etc... He really gives a thoughtful answer to each question and one thing I take away from it is that he was clearly aware of his influence and who he was and was careful about how he never wanted to tell anyone what to do or how to live or things like that. Great interview
When I knew I was doing this interview I asked my Deadhead friends what they would ask Jerry, so many of the questions came from them.
Also this wasn’t a typical interview in that the people attending the interview included Me, Frankie Accardi-Peri, Joanne “Pearl Problem” Wishnoff, David Gans and Jerry. We all knew each other and after David arrived and sparked up a joint we got real relaxed…
Over the years I ended up having dozens of conversations in my office at GDTS, after a couple of years I started relating to him as Jerry my boss, NOT Jerry the Icon…
To the point when I knew I was going to a concert that he was attending I would make sure I had the isle seat to block people from bothering him, which happened frequently.
@@smarcus1031 how are you doing these days?
yeah, it was heart-breaking to see an exhausted JG constantly pushed to do more. But it was his path and, man, what a bounty of love and blessings Jerry bestowed upon us.
"side stepping is an art" lololololol
Okay, thanks for your reply Steven ! Must've been very cool to get to interview Garcia...I only saw him once in Boston 1994. I was 13 yrs old and smitten. he seemed in great sprit here with you that day
Interviewing Jerry was cool, but you have to remember that he was also my boss! So I got to talk with him many times. He actually visited the ticket office a few times and we even sat at my desk and talked and shared a joint...He was a normal person, but I had to remind myself of that!
FortWarren Boston 10/1/94 was a favorite tape of mine. Haven't heard it in a while.
Carin Channing / that's a great show! I was at the show on the 27th, which was played one of the greatest versions of Standing On The Moon ever! I'd recommend checking it out :)
Maybe the most down to earth 'Rock God' ever.
For sure
To Sfwatcher, Jerry was talking about JGB "Cats Under the Stars". As he has said in the past, it was the record he was most happy about with the way it turned out. Thankyou Steven for posting this! Also, was that David Gans running camera? Hey David! Stick to Radio! Just kidding....maybe the best Jerry interview found on youtube (next to the frankenstein one)
Great interview ! I really enjoyed it ! Seems like Jerry enjoyed it as well.
BOBBY D I handed Jerry my list of questions and said “Cross off the ones you don’t want to answer.” He hand the list back without looking at it and said, “No, you ask the Qurans you will know when I don’t want to answer!”
@@smarcus1031 Qurans? I understand, I think , Jerry's desire to be spontaneous.
BOBBY D Questions
When Jerry responds to the alien question he mentions he is not even sure if the term 'alien' is even relevant. What a great mind!. He conversational abilities were on par with his musical abilities. I also can't think of any musician, or comedian, who had such wit. He was so funny at times....and never at the expense of another person. Not a mean bone in his body. Bless him.
I've heard Jerry say his fav record he made was Cats. Under the stars, so maybe that's what he's talking about at the end when he says, that's my favorite
I didn't catch what record he was talking about at the very end either, but maybe you're right
Same Catalog of music, Original performers of said catalog. I stand by what I said and the evidence fully supports my conclusion. Furthur is proving Jerrys reasoning for not playing the "oldies" mistaken. Fully Clued in, thank you very much.
Enchanted
Yes, the tour was cancelled out of necessity -- Jerry was basically incapacitated at that point. But I'm not aware that Jerry, himself, ever said, at a time when he was feeling shaky (e.g., that tour where he was peeing into a garbage can offstage during his sets because his kidneys were so ravaged) "We can't do this tour or this gig because I'm not up to it."
We can theorize about WHY he insisted on working (needed the money to feed his habit, etc.) -- but the fact is, he usually did.
David Whiteis playing for crowds was his lifeline. He may not have wanted to live a life without it... furthermore, look at all those whom died in their 20s early 30s... Janis and Hendrix, Bonham and many others...
"needed the money to feed his habit . . ."
That sounds like something from Nancy Reagan. Just how much do you think his "habit" cost? If that's your theory about why he worked as hard as he did, your sense of proportion is way out of whack.
@@mikestirewalt5193 Well, according to Skully (admittedly not always the most reliable source), Garcia booked some of those early '80s solo/duet acoustic gigs with Kahn and then immediately blew (literally!) most of what he was paid. As for the Dead's own ongoing road grind, though, I'd agree that it probably had more to do with keeping the organization (which was pretty bloated by that time) running.
He was a working man and would almost always rather play music than do anything else. Even when he could barely play. He lived for it and the next great gig was just around the corner. That’s my take.
Hey Steven you should see if Chris Hazard can remaster this!
🌹🌹🌹🌹 amazing
Shit, Jerry should still be here. It pisses me off in a way that he left us so early. 53 is incredibly young, especially these days. He should still be here right now... still playing music, gotten the chance to enjoy his "golden years" taken some time for himself, wrote more tunes, maybe even written his memoirs, etc. I know there is no one to blame, obviously. Some will say the demands of the band/organization, the scene, etc. but it's well known that when the Dead weren't touring, Jerry would go out with the JGB for shows... he just wanted to play, but I think the demands of it... HAVING to do it, etc. Some will blame him alone for the lifestyle, his choices, not taking care of himself, the drugs, etc. So many reasons for that... Jerry liked to have a good time. I don't know. It's just sad because he was such a talented and giving dude and it obvious he was a very thoughtful, intelligent... a kind and fun person... he should've been able to really enjoy his life's work, his family, maybe grandkids and his status as an elder statesman of rock and of his scene. I wonder what he'd make of the world today. So much has changed since 95. I guess we can just be happy that Jerry was here for 53 years and he made so much incredible music (and so much of it recorded and available, thankfully!) and art and put out so much joy and thoughtfulness into the world. Maybe Jerry would be (or is) content with knowing he lived his life his way, doing what he loved.
so I fail to get your point ? !@
@@Bobby007D My point? I’m simply musing on the fact that Jerry left us so young and it’s unfortunate that he didn’t have longer to continue making music and to enjoy his later years, as someone who worked hard their whole life should. Also wondering out-loud what Jerry would make of the world today, what else he might’ve done.
He would still be alive, but he was under pressure to get clean which killed him. They should've left him alone and we'd probably would of witnessed another decade at least of The 'Jeer Bear'. I saw him from '87-'92 n the last show in Chicago '95. We know so much more about opiate addiction now than we did in the 90's. But when Jerry was 'on' he lit the place up!
Great interview. Stephen call Roy and Joyce and ask about Roy's half brother Dean Hubbard that would be me.
Ok. What about Fall of' '92? Was that not cancelled due to Jerry's health?
UFOs and aliens are "some kind of a carrot on the stick in front of the mule of consciousness." Classic Jerry.
Hey Steve, are you going to post the Bob & Phil interviews?
Can anybody tell what album he was talking about at the very end?....
He did about 1 interview every 2 years................
What's with the recording of Jerry's voice? It doesn't sound like him at all!
What or how? That's exactly what he sounds like
During this interview somewhere in the world, Phish was recording the White Tape
Brian Murray so what?
Trey Mike John and Paige were still a bunch of dorks trying to figure out how to get a girlfriend and working on their mullets
Jerry Garcia was the living Buddha.
@Steven Marcus I can.
"So what have you been doing, since you got out of the hospital, to kill yourself?"
What an opening question
“To TAKE CARE of yourself...” NOT “kill!” I started the interview without David Gans. I asked Jerry “So, what have you been doing to take care of yourself since you got out if the hospital” Jerry went into an elaborate detail about what he was doing. David Gans showed up right after that answer. Stopped and rewound the tape, pulled out a joint and we got stoned. I asked Jerry the question again and he rest, “Almost nothing!”
but all the money jerry had oh man being rich and a drug user is not good in a way
MrGrevy, I do believe that Mayor MichaelShell was referring to the Japanese in the many years since World War II...and do you need to resort to name calling? Dufus!
this is before the coma
seth rogan's wayward uncle
Jerry had such a lightness and joy about him. His sense of humor was infectious. He seemed fun to hang out with. Best soul ever.
Take it for what it was, don't be sad. Jerry doesn't want us to be sad, that is why people who never got to see him are rabid fans even today. I was lucky enough to see him a few times, but the Dead will live forever. The family keeps on growing.
Ha! with the bad quality of the video, it looks like young jerry interviewing old jerry! great video, thanks for posting it.
I was thinking the same thing :)
Actually there was a time at Berkeley Community Theater On October 30, 1984 during the show in the lobby a Deadhead, obviously stoned out, ask me if I was Jerry. I laughed, took him inside and asked,”Does that answer your question?” He looked at me, the stage and me again and walked away. So that night when I got home I shaved my face clean and the next morning I got a very close cut haircut, maybe two inches long. That night (10/31/84) I wore a three piece suit and came as a Republican!!! No one recognized me. Not fellow employees or band members!
Jerry is such a wonderful story teller and my biggest influence not only in music but everyday life..
Miss you Jer Bear..
The rapport between me and Jerry is very simple, he was one of my bosses and we had some conversations about comics and Laserdiscs and mostly old movies. Family history is that in 1964 my sister took guitar lessons from him at Guitars Unlimited (where I also took drum lessons...)
Plenty of Jerry interviews have circulated in recent years; this is a truly good one. Comes off with a nice mellow energy and natural flow. Seems like it was such fun just to talk shop with Jerry. THANKS FOR POSTING IT
Kshoe83, that is what Jerry was like when he was clean...a real joy to talk with.
You have to understand that I was a Deadhead when I got hired to run Grateful Dead Ticket Sales. And while I answered to the band managers, the band members were my bosses. It was very strange separating the "idol" from the human...
Thanks Steven. Hope you are doing well and having fun.
Is it true you once stated that you didn't realize you were a deadhead till after Jer died? If so, how can you possibly claim to have ever been a deadhead, not simply an office boy dealing dead tix?It seems like a ridiculous statement.
Please tell me it aint so. SF GUY from the day.
Toni S in reality I had only seen the Grateful Dead about 150 times between 1967 and by the time I had started working for them.
By the time Jerry had died in 1995 I had attended over 500 Grateful Dead concerts. I had over 1,000 live Grateful Dead tapes at that time...you decide if I was actually a Deadhead...
". . . a carrot on the stick in front of the mule of consciousness . . ." What a great line!!! He just kinda slipped that in there . . .
I had the very good fortune to meet Jerry when he was clean, so that is the only impression I have of him. The effects of drug abuse were all to obvious in his physical appearance and he sure enjoyed talking about using. But I was a guest and he was more then gracious, even asking me questions, so I focus on the positive. It might be a cautionary tale, one that shows the devastation some addicts seem to welcome. But at its core was a sweetheart, a student of music, and a genius guitarist.
Would have loved to have a few beers & tokes with Garcia,an excellent conversationist
pity the boys didn't come downunder,sorely missed,the music keeps him alive.
I absolutely adore this. Thanks for posting.
I wouldn't say Garcia was wrong about it. His view made sense at that time, when the Grateful Dead still existed. Furthur is not the GD. It's an entirely different context. The Grateful Dead has been gone for almost 20 years. Bob and Phil can play nostalgic songs from the early days with Furthur because it's ALL nostalgia now. But back when the GD was still alive and progressing (or trying to), I can see JG's point.
This video breaks my heart, because he's just so CLEAR...I love '86 & '87 Dead and that's because of the same exact reason. He sounds like a completely different person than the Jer who did interviews sounding like he always had a horrible ever-present awful flu (the smoked heroin, freebase and pall malls would ravage anyone's voice). Love ya Jerome!
He preferred camels for cigarettes !
those comeback & nye run shows in 86 and all of 87 shkws were really something. Jer so happy & relatively healthy turned out to be an entire rebirth of the band; hitting on all cylinders, but it was short lived on both sides of the stage. By the time brent left us, things turned dark pretty quick, but those 3 years from 87-90, man those were special
This is such a great interview, thanks for sharing. Jerry was one of my hero's growing up.
That would be me interviewing Jerry...
Very cool!!!
Great interview. I'd never seen this. Jerry was such a character and fascinating to listen to. Thanks for making it available!
This is no doubt my 100th time watching this and it still hasn’t got old yet.
Jerry was the most far out awesome buddha of a man
People who knew Jerry well were actually worried because he insisted on doing freelance gigs when he should have still been taking it easy after recovering -- he also never canceled a Dead tour or gig, no matter how bad his health was (and there were times when he probably should have). It's also arguable that if he had taken some time off from work to really deal with his addiction), he might have prevailed and not died when he did. In a way, he worked himself to death as much as anything.
U r so rite about him working overtime !
You are wrong about concerts not being canceled by Jerry.
1986 after his Coma in July the entire Fall Tour was canceled, and in 1992 after he collapsed backstage during a JGB concert in Arizona (leaving the stage after a couple of songs, he was already on the way to the airport by the time they announced the concert was canceled.) the entire 1992 Fall Tour was canceled, and of course in 1995 after he died all concerts already scheduled and on sale at GDTS were canceled.
I know this is hard to believe about a band that grossed between 50-70 million a year, but at the time Jerry died Grateful Dead Productions, Inc. was basically broke.
They had no reserves and lived off the deposit’s on future concerts and the payday.
Grateful Dead Ticket Sales actually had a “Backup Account” with about $150,000 because when Jerry got sick in 1986 GDTS did not have enough to pay anyone to process refunds so many of us worked for almost no pay. So I started the emergency fund in case it happened again which it did in 1992 and 1995.
After Jerry the first thing that happened immediately was everyone’s salaries (including band members) were cut in half and a few weeks later Cut in half again. By March of 1996 when we officially closed down GDTS and I was officially “Laid Off” I went from around $80,000+ a year to $20,000, and down to 0…
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Don't fade out yet 🙁
Boy... the segment where you ask about resurrecting old songs is fascinating to me. Furthur has basically proven that Jerry's reasoning behind NOT doing Voila Lee Blues, Masons Children, Cosmic Charlie, The Golden Road, Alligator, etc is demonstrably false. I did like how the suggestion of Here Comes Sunshine gave him pause.... how long after this interview did the Dead bring that one back?... maybe the seed was planted in this interview....hmmmm
"He's like 10 years ahead of me" I love that haha
The most interesting rock musician in interviews ever. He talks about music and the music experience not fame drugs or personal minuiae
KSHOES83, the Grateful Dead didn't play Shoreline until 1987...after the 1986 Summer tour ended Jerry collapsed at home and went into a coma. His first show after that was at The Stone on 10/4/86...not Shoreline.
And the album was talking about WAS Cats!
the album at the end of the video?
@@rocknroll4ever7
Cats Down Under The Stars
Jerry must have been such a great guy to talk to/interview. I'd consider it an honor to smoke a j with Garcia anytime.
Thank you for posting this and for the audio resynch....I had a baaaad beta copy of this for years and this is a welcome upgrade! What I find ironic is every old song you suggested reviving, Jerry buries. Fast forward 28 years later and Phil has revived all of them :)
...when we tried to play back to video and found no audio, Jerry said, "I'm not doing this again!" and got up and left...David and I went to David's house got ripped and sync'd the audio to the video on the first try!
Although Jerry is polite and amiable throughout, and he didn't want to disrespect anyone's actions or opinions, you can tell that: #1, he didn't like it that one of his band members specifically asked the fans not to bring hard drugs around. And #2, he wasn't too enthused about the "parking lot" scene surrounding Dead concerts, particularly if they people didn't even care about the music itself. To him, the music was everything.
I envy you soo much man getting to meet and talk to Jerry and see the shows. I was only 10 in '95 l wish I had cool people like you in my fam to sneak me to shows back then. Thanks for putting stuff like this out!
"Alligator" was Pigpen's theme song in the early days . . . even more than "Love Light" and the other blues covers he did (he wrote "Alligator," after all, and it fit his persona to a T) -- I can certainly see why neither Jerry nor any of the others had the heart to even try to resurrect it (let alone try to do it justice) after Pig died...
More interesting facts about this interview: I asked a lot of my Deadhead friends what question they would ask Jerry if the could, hence "Do you believe in aliens?" Video taping, old songs...In an effort to "save" the battery on the video camera microphone I turned it off before the interview...and forgot to turn it back on! David Gans had brought a WM-D6C to record the audio for The Grateful Dead Hour...(continuted on next post)
32 minutes and anybody still wonders why God doesn't intervene in this world other than his very presence.
Ok honey, I'm not busting on you, well maybe a little, but I did have a little chuckle when Jerry said that about how he's embarrassed when he hears his voice back on a recording. Because I thought about your "Thank you... and staaay in touch!" :-)
I don't think I've watched this video since Santa Rosa - so what's that? like 16yrs? wow..... No, that can't be right. I'm sure I've watched it again since then. It really makes me miss him though. (and you of course :))
"laziness" is a meaningless term anyway because it is invented by men. "lazy" by whose standard? There is no standard from which to apply the word "lazy". Jerry meant that he didn't STRIVE... and that's a GOOD THING. People who "strive" are intensely unhappy people. :o) Blessings! And you're right, of course, Jerry, "worked" his ass off by ANY standard!
@hickeytom1, I loved the Frankenstein one too! I had a couple of nice conversations with Jerry at my desk about movies and especially Laser Discs (remember those?) He called them "Eye Candy"
Garcia knew how to say NO without saying NO,Genius.
Steve, Thank you for this man, There are so few interviews out there and being able to listen to Jerry talk about things and not just walk on stage play walk off stage. I got back stage three times and got thrown out three time because I wasn't really supposed to be there..La De Da...Just kinds walked right in man. Any way Thanks.
Man this is awesome RIP jerry love u
could anyone understand what he said was the record of all records at the very end?
That one really left me hanging. Maybe we can turn it over to audio forensic types and finally have the answer.
Cats Down Under The Stars
19:11 haha, he said "doo-doo".Great interview cheers
Thank you so much for sharing this. I miss Papa Jerry.
I'm wondering how many of the envelopes from that wall (if any really) ended up in "Dead Letters?" I'm sure there is no way to know, but it would still be interesting...just thinking/wondering which spec ones Jerry commented on & such...
What record is Jerry talking about in the end?
Cats under the stars
About time I subscribed to Steven Marcus' youtube channel
Yikes, how embarrassing. It was the following year, then. Otherwise I stand behind my story, completely. He was telling me that he grew up in the mountains just over there, as he pointed towards Santa Cruz area, it seemed. Also told me some great stories about him and Kesey hearing sound from speakers in a room at a party, while holding the unplugged wires in their hands! He mentioned a blues keyboard plater, a killer, who only played the blues in C, man! Must be photos somewhere...
Hey Steven Marcus, at the end of this interview what record did he was was the record of all records?
We talked a little about the hospital and how Merl came to see him everyday, which meant a lot to him. Think I just got confused by your interview in discussing the health issue. Jerry was a bit beat up physically and had a very bad chough which he said was the result of a cold he and Weir had. Sure enough, if you listen to the Philly shows the week before they both sound stuffed up. Those were the shows that Spencer Davis sat it, I recall. I was at those and the Broadway show.
… I recall getting in a limo and lunching with a group of Ladies on this day … it’s nice to re-visit it. Hope you’re doing well Steve …
Stacye formerly known as Olive
Talk about truly living in the NOW! Is/was, will their ever be a more humble group of musicians to grace a stage?
This is great. Thanks for posting. I especially like how the deadhead scholars were able to remind Jerry of the number of times Here Comes Sunshine was played. And indeed, they brought that one back along with some other gems in '89.
Best Jerry interview
After Coma, Jerry Doing Very, Very Great , Super Well !!!! R.I.P. To The Big Man !!!!
Honestly, this was an epic interview!!! One of the best I've seen/heard.
This is Great. Thanks for uploading this. I find myself grateful to what I have learned and experienced through Jerry's art and his interviews and the live shows I've seen...I also find a loss for his presence and find a lot of solace in videos like these.
What's with 'bizarre-o' Jerry on the left?? Actually interviewer dude seems like a stand up music geek like myself...what a dream come true to sit and jaw with such a funny, humble, and musically anomalous guy...jealousy is me...
the interviewer was me, right before my 34th birthday. The interview was big fun, and yes, we was stoned!
+Steven Marcus so jerry didn't go "cold-turkey" post coma. guess he made some exceptions for marijuana?
+Jake Tunney Are you serious, Jake? Marijuana is not addictive and, in fact, often helps junkies get clean. Reefer Madness was propaganda.
+john doe "cold turkey" doesn't imply weed has anything to do with addiction.
Steven Marcus Hi Steven, great interview. I was 16 and had tickets to Highgate. My dad found out and I had to give the tickets to my older friends! I never got to see him. These videos are all I have. Thank you. ✌🏼
Without a doubt, my favorite interview by far. Just seems so real and personal.
Prophetic about the Dylan tours.
Steve, are you still involved with GDTS? great posts, by the way
FortWarren, GDTS no longer exists. We closed it down in March of 1996. You are confusing GDTS with GDTSTOO,inc. which is a different company not related to Grateful Dead Productions. GDTSTOO was started in April of 1996 by myself, Joanne "Pearl" Wishnoff, Calico "Ruby" and Frankie Accardi. Frankie Accardi is now the sole owner of GDTSTOO...
I love how he asked specially about cream puff war!! I always wished they broke out during some show with it. It was like the dead’s punk song. I think hearing it like in spring 90 would’ve been fantastic. Or early 80’s. I mean Jerry is embarrassed by cream puff war? Yes it’s a very simple song but he would play some rocking 60’s guitar during it. Fast solos. I mean Viola Lee blues. Masons children. The interviewer had great points