Since you talked about cis/trans features, my sister is cis but she's 6'2 & has broad shoulders cuz she's a rower & has actually been asked if she's trans (not often) and she just says "no, but my brother is!" Idk why I find that so entertaining but I do
As a trans woman in the U.S., I just want to thank you for this video Chase. It is completely on point. And the word you were looking for for why trans women in men's restrooms is very different from trans men in women's restrooms is transmisogyny. Thank you again for this amazing video!
I think the basic idea around the selfies of trans men in the ladies' room, is that a woman's first reaction to anyone masculine presenting in her bathroom is fear. I doubt any of her first thoughts would be, "What's in his pants, though?" At least that's how I've always looked at it. I had to switch from the women's room to the men's at school (started that way because I was unsure of my own safety) because I got to about 4 months HRT and was starting to get looks in the women's bathroom. Especially when I spoke. But I'm against the selfie purpose being to either intimidate OR threaten to be sexual towards someone. It's adding to both stereotypes (aggressive pervs or just sexual deviants) and it's not good. I think the focus should be more of a, "How would others react?" to those who "pass".
This is such a hard topic to explain, and it's such a big issue right now and I just had a discussion with my mother and grandmother about the bill but you are explaining your view on it very very well. Thank you for addressing this.
I completely understand what you're saying. Because trans women are in the media more, cis people have started to pinpoint the features that are different between male bodies and female bodies and, whether they are or not, are more likely to assume a woman is trans if they have a typically masculine feature.
this is something I've been thinking about a lot lately and I 100% agree with everything you said here. the great thing about your videos is that you're so open about everything and you bring up new topics or topics people have been avoiding
I love how real and uncensored these videos are! I saw some other comments on how long and all over the place ur vids are but I really really like it! You can see how passionate you are and how you think! It's just a great discussion! Thank you for posting this video❤️👌🏻
As a trans guy in North Carolina, I'm so ashamed of my state. I'm now about to be in a position where I can't go into a public restroom without either breaking a law or outing myself without wanting to. Also, I really want to hug you right now, Chase, because you seem so upset about this and I am too and hugs help people feel more okay.
***** It's not a repressed fear, it's a logical wariness of becoming another victim of some idiot who is scared of anyone different from them and who lashes out at me for being different.
***** Yes, other people have legitimate fears, but why is that being brought up? I mean, it's not like it's logical to fear trans people. It seems you're just here to bitch about me wanting to be able to take a piss in peace. Let me ask you, how long have you held it? Because I have held it for *hours* because I 1, didn't want to use the women's restroom, 2, didn't want to be a victim, and 3, didn't want guys around me to be uncomfortable about the small, androgynous person who seems to consider themself a guy, whatever they have under their clothes. Do you know how hard it is to concentrate when your bladder feels like it's about to burst open? And as someone who didn't have a say in governor McCrory's election because I was too young to vote against him, and make no mistake, I would never vote for a man who would take away my rights because of a Very Specific crime that was more imagined than real until the GOP decided to fearmonger about my people, I have the right to be mad at the others who live in my state for choosing a fearmongering, slimy, disgusting man who refused to even talk with a trans woman about HB2.
***** Well, thanks for now proving that you're not worth the time of day. Go talk to a reputable psychologist about us and they'll set you straight on some things. Also, I know my civic duty, thank you very much, I plan to vote in this upcoming election.
***** Okay, fine, my question still stands. What do you propose to do to treat us? Please tell me since you think you know so much, how do you treat something like this?
***** Well, I'd rather *not* spend all my life looking at why I'm cast out of society, forced to pretend, and basically stuck between being a man and pretending to be a woman, so sorry for having a life. Actually, if you were trans, you'd understand why most of us know only a basic explanation of our condition; it *hurts*. It hurts to see our lives turned into some science experiment. Until I realized I was trans, I almost worshiped science, detested the idea that someone would shy away from knowledge, but when I started looking into it, seeing my own life laid out on a scientific slab was... It felt too cold, compared to the heat of the reality of being trans. But you being a cisgender probably straight probably male, you wouldn't really understand. You've probably never felt hurt that wouldn't be fixed by anything, not time, not love, not science, not *anything*. Because no matter what, we'll always be seen as freaks, we'll never have the media representation we deserve, we'll never see a character like us in anything do great things. No, characters like us die, that's all. We're just filler characters made LGBTQ+ so it would be sadder when the character was put down. You'll never suffer through that pain, feeling like you have to pretend to be something you're not if you want to be great, and in the end, the guy gets the girl, the guy never gets the guy, and the girl never gets the girl, and the trans person never gets anyone. Science can't explain that with anything that absolves directors and film-makers of their crimes against us. Learning why I'm like this won't make more trans characters appear in bigger roles. And it certainly won't get the right actors cast, so why should I learn something that makes me feel like I'm even more of an outcast and a freak who will never get their guy, girl, or enby? Who will always be a freak?
You hit the nail on the head in the first 5 mins. I am still watching this video but I want to also add that those pictures of transmen who pass as cis, in the bathrooms are kind of fueling the idea that folks w. beards and mustaches shouldn't be in the women washroom. I mean, I get what they are trying to do but it rubs me the wrong way as well. This bill is targeting transwomen 100%, in my opinion.
Trans women get made fun of more in the media than trans men (in some cases). Like in family guy and all of those other "comedy" shows every time they want to make fun of trans people its always MtF trans people. because of those shows people think that trans women are just men pretending to be women. It's so annoying and frustrating.
Regarding trans men posting selfies in the women's bathroom, it's ridiculous because a big bearded "masculine" man in the women's room is nowhere near as in danger as a transwomen in the men's room. The women's room is such a safe place compared to the mens room. Putting transmen in the womens room is weird and out of place, but putting transwomen in the men's room is literally life threatening, the men's room is like a death trap to them. And that issue is so trivialized with those transmen selfies..
You are the only trans guy I've seen talk about the trans men in the bathrooms thing, THANK YOU! I keep seeing trans men going into the bathroom and taking pictures and making the issue of "oh a masculine person is the the women's room is a threat" which affect trans women, BIGGER thank you for talking about this!
Since I was a little kid I've presented quite masculine and public bathrooms have been a constant struggle even though I identified as female at the time. Pretty much every time I've used a girls' washroom I have either gotten angry looks or yelled at. Luckily where I live this isn't an issue but if I was forced into the girls' bathroom it would cause a lot more trouble then to just use the men's room where chances are I won't even be noticed. And everyone is like well a cis guy could go into the bathroom and say he is a trans woman and rape someone. But do they really think a sign on a door is going to stop a rapist? How about instead of banning trans people from using the bathroom they feel comfortable in, they work on actually doing something about it. We shouldn't have to live in fear, let's stop saying "it's just a part of life" and start educating people and putting a stop to it.
Legit when I was seven i walked into the women's bathroom a lady hit me over the head with her purse cause I always had short hair and had boy clothing and I always got the UGLIEST looks
+Parker Heffernan When I was 8 I went into the ladies room and got asked to "prove" my gender because I looked like a boy. Like someone legit asked an EIGHT YEAR OLD to prove their gender because they MIGHT be in the wrong bathroom. Like what was I supposed to do? Show her my genitals? People are so crazy sometimes.
+Kadyn Caza You're correct about that. I never really understood it myself, how people think transwoman are just going to rape everyone. A sign won't stop rapists from raping people. Besides, if the transwoman was "truly" trans, as I do not mean to be transphobic, but am only using that word in the context that people believe someone has to be "truly" trans in order to use a certain restroom such as "oh what if they're just perverts who are crossdressing", the thing is, all of the female restrooms I've been in, I usually never been in one where the woman are half naked washing their hands. People usually just walk in, take a piss, wash their hands and leave. The transwoman aren't going to pee in sinks, there are stalls, woman don't see each other taking a piss. So what is the problem? People make such a big deal out of it and so many woman make excuses to why they don't want transwoman inside "their restroom", but none of the excuses are reasonable. People usually only go to the restroom to relieve themselves, you shouldn't make a big deal out of something that only lasts 8 minutes max. And sorry for ranting to you, I was just agreeing to you and kinda... ranted.
Honestly this is why I wish every and all places had single person bathrooms or gender neutral bathrooms. As a non-binary trans person who can mostly pass as male I feel uncomfortable in either bathroom at this point.
I had seen some of those pictures on twitter and whatnot and thought nothing of them (other than outrage at the bathroom bill, that is), but now after your video I understand your concern about it. It makes me think of how the end doesn't justify the means and how we shouldn't be trying to 'win this battle' through fear and instead through respect. Thank you for explaining and keep up the good work! (I really look forward to reading your thesis... eventually I hope)
we just got finished discussing this in my friend group. it's an uncomfortable confusing topic all over, and i think you explained it pretty well. also im glad you brought up the pictures of the transmen with the women's bathroom because they've been making me feel the same way, even though i know no one posting those are trying to be bad.
I agree with you about those posts to a point, I do feel that people who are posting them are trying to help, but it is not transmen that are in danger. If a transman went into a woman only bathroom they are not in danger of being beat up, raped or worse. Where if a transwoman went into a mens bathroom any of that could happen. Luckly the bill was shot down where i live, and stores are putting in gender neutral bathrooms. I love your videos :)
+makeup momma women go into the mens bathroom all the time, especially if its a crowded place and the line for the womens bathroom is really long. Also, I get what you're saying, but you'e kinda implying that men can't be raped, beaten up, or worse. I think transwomen are definitely in more danger, but there are plenty of transmen who get harassed and beaten up in the bathroom, especially when a group of women gang up on them.
+kaden grey i am not trying to say that men can't be raped or that trans men's can't or don't get harassed. But I do feel that trans woman are at a greater risk of being hurt.
These types of videos are your best and thank you for making this. You are excellent at what you do and thank you for bringing awareness to this subject and I thought the exact same thing about those pictures.
I really love these videos and how you talk about it. Like, I get you and I really understand where you were going on with these comments you made esp when it comes to the Woman's bathroom. Like when I heard about these (cis) males following random women (where I think like 98% were very masculine presenting women, not trans or on the spectrum) into the woman's bathrooms and harassing them, telling /the woman/ that she was trans when they weren't and getting into arguments like.. I've been honestly scared to use restrooms in fear of the men following someone in. Like, ugh. I understand, and thank you for uploading!
I love chase he tries really hard to be pc and speak on controversial topics as best as he can and honestly we need more big trans youtubers to talk about these issues like this
Why many people are negative towards Caitlyn Jenner these days? I don't get it. Could you make a video about it? I personally think she did more than enough for the whole community just by coming out so publicly.
+Alex Creed it's depressing that people can't except the trans community. It's like "hey you are different I'll pretend you don't exist so I don't have to think about you!" If that makes sense.
I think it's weird how this bill in North Carolina is blowing up but the Texas bathroom bill that says you have to go into the bathroom that aligns with your chromosomes. So if you have xx chromosomes you have to go into the women's restroom and if you have xy chromosomes you have to go into the men's bathroom soooo..... It's even worse then this one.
so what about people with XXY or XXX or XYY chromosomes? I swear politicians literally just choose to ignore science and let their bigotry take precedence.
Do they realize that not every vagina-owner is born with XX chromosomes and not every penis-owner is born with XY chromosomes? It's rare, but it's real. I forgot what it's called, though.
I'm stealth in my sociology class and we were talking about the bathroom bills around the country and what some people were saying was honestly disturbing.
This is how I feel trying to talk to my dad and brother about this, ugh! You have to use societies stereotypes and examples to make sense to those caught up in societies rules but making ourselves use those words makes us cringe! I feel ya dude!! Haha great video ✌️💙
I think you're absolutely correct. This bill completely infringes on the rights of trans women. Any trans guy that passes the socially accepted degree of masculinity won't be expected to use the women's bathroom - I cannot see anyone that supports this bill telling a trans guy with a beard and a baritone for instance that their place is in the female bathroom. I'm a Brit and watching this unfurl from across the pond has been really disheartening. I haven't heard anything from Chaz Bono about this topic which is frustrating. Are South Dakota and North Carloina really saying people like Shawn Stinson and Aydian Dowling should be using a female restroom? I don't wanna call it male privilege because I'm not sure that it is but there's definitely a double standard here. Trans women go through enough, this is absurd.
I was actually affected by this bill cause i live in North Carolina. Because the administration at the time ruled that schools had to let trans students use the bathroom they wanted, they made me use the staff men's bathrooms, and there were none in the highschool building where I took my electives. Sometimes i have like, mysophobia episodes or something where i can't stop washing my hands and it was horrible because i couldn't go to the bathroom and i had to keep rinsing my hands in the ice-cold water fountain, my hands eventually went numb.
being raised in the atlanta, it's bizarre because in my city people are so open and accepting but a 10 minute drive outside and people are outrageous homophobic, transphobic, etc
I think there should be a bathroom for females (cis, and non cis), males (cis, and non cis), and a unisex one for anyone and everyone no matter how they identify. I think unisex would also be good for people who are trans who are too scared to go into their bathroom because they feel they don't "pass" enough.
I think I understand what you're getting at ( I'm ftm/dfab something idek anymore). I think it's kinda because with being transmasc people are just likely to see you as younger, gay (which isn't too off with me bc I'm bi), or just feminine looking. You might get some people making fun of you, but most of the time you won't get assaulted. No one really looks for it. Meanwhile throughout the history of media we've had the jokes in movies and TV shows of a man in a dress. MASH, The Boxtrolls, part of Mulan, etc. These are just three examples off the top of my head where men are dressing as women and it's seen as a joke to the audience. I love this TV show and those two movies, I do, but I realize that they are transmisogynist. It's very telling that in Mulan when her three friends dressed as women it was funny to me as a kid, but when Mulan herself pretended to be a man it was serious and inspirational. With transmen people are more likely to see you as a man, or at least as a person, but with transwomen society sees them as a joke. Again, I am trans myself and fully admit that I have privilege over my transfeminine friends, be them women or non-binary. People are more likely to see me as valid and will be more likely to see that I "pass" when I use hormones and bind than my friend Jade who is a transgirl and over 6' tall and has stubble if she doesn't shave everyday. If I wore a suit and binded people could get behind the fact I'm not a girl, but if Jade wore a dress people would be more likely to think she's a flamboyant gay man (she's a lesbian) or trying to break gender roles (again, she's a girl).
i am in a really in between spot in my transition right now, where i'm getting gendered differently every time i meet someone. i don't ID as male and i still feel v uncomfortable using the men's room, but i've decided that its important for me to not use the women's restroom anymore because i would rather ME be uncomfortable in the men's room than make women feel uncomfortable in their restroom... privilege (male privilege) is a huge factor when talking about afab vs. amab trans issues... idk idk i'm thinking a lot now, thanks for the vid
As a quazi-trans androgynous AMAB person living as a woman because that's what people think I am, I support and thank those trans men taking the photos from Womens' bathrooms because they are exposing the thoughtlessness, prejudice, and hypocrisy of our legislators through malicious compliance.
Hey friend! I think you are totally on point. I'm also glad you kind of brought up nonbinary people and I get you're talking about a very specific issue of trans men playing into the sort of "sexual assault" vibes to protest the bathroom laws. But shoutout to any other nonbinary trans folk in your viewership who are super worried about the implications for us too. The LGBT/trans community are just getting around to pushing for gender neutral bathrooms, and these kind of laws definitely discourage that movement. I want to be able to pee in public restrooms without feeling hella triggered, you know? I want an option that fits me.
This bill absolutely terrifies me, and I'm a trans man, so I can't imagine how trans women are feeling about this. I'm not from the south but I worry that people will try to start getting this bill in other states, or countrywide after the election in November.
I really think that transguys should be approaching this differently. Like maybe taking pictures in the women's bathroom in the same way transwomen are, more attractively instead of using the intimidation factor. Then it would be more like "I'm super sexy. Do you want me to be in here with your wife?". That might not make a whole lot of sense but I mean it in the same way as an attractive woman being in the men's bathroom. Play on the fear of cheating, not assault. I'm a transman in North Carolina, by the way and this law has done so much damage to me being able to live my life the way it should be.
Where I live, if you tell the school the gender you identify as you can go into that bathroom. So if you were born female and identify as male, you can go into the male bathroom, vise versa. This also applies to field trips out of school, but the school has to know what you identify as.
Hey. Hi. Hello there. Fellow trans man living in Charlotte, NC. Ok so. Literally North Carolina has pretty much been in flames since this bill has passed. Not lying at all here, the state is split straight down the middle. Transphobic people are just crawling out of the shadows now. I often tend to wear my Gender Is Over brand sweatshirt to work (I work at an open market) and since HB2 has been passed I get on the daily stares, dirgative language, people mumbling about me, I've been called the F-slur, like what the hell!? Just last week a trans woman was stabbed nearly to death 5 minutes away from where I live. I have been a part of the trans activism community here in NC for about 2 years now, but now I'm terrified to leave my own house. This past summer, I represented Charlotte at Brave New Voiced (youth poetry internationals) in DC and we performed a group piece about HB2. Dozens of people spoke to me after the performance asking if the state was truly in this bad of a state, and YES IT FUCKING SUCKS. I'm pre-T, and already worried about being stared at when I used the men's bathroom, but more so now more than ever. Some of my closest friends are trans, and in particular trans women, and I'm fucking terrified for them. People here will now be quick to say something transphobic, and if you speak against them they are now legally in the right. LGBT activists here in state like I are constantly pushing to change this shit. We are using the bathrooms of our identity, and if anybody says anything about it, we stay strong because we know where it's we are supposed to be.
I also had a conversation with my Sister yesterday where she said she didn't want someone who had not "had the surgery" in her bathroom. I asked how she would know if someone had had the surgery? And if that in her eyes was all that determined if they were "man or woman" enough. When are people going to get that one's gender identity is not about what's in your pants? It's the first question people ask, "Are you going to have the surgery?" And this premise is the basis for these laws that are being passed. It's the idea that our gender identity is tied to our birth certificate, or to the surgery. I'm sorry but I knew I was a guy before I realized what genitals were. So I asked my sister, "If a guy lost his genitals in an accident is he still a guy?" Her reply was of course, "YES" . The bigger question her is how do we get people to understand gender identitiy? This same sister asked me when I was living as a lesbian, "if I felt like a man inside" to help her understand my attraction to women. She was satisfied with my answer then,. But the same answer now, as Trans is hard to understand. So I ask again, how do we get people to understand Trans and not pass laws against us?
So in South Dakota, I was sitting in the committee hearing before the bill went to the floor and the main supporter, during his questioning, his comment about transmen using to the male was along the lines of ohh you can not tell me you feel safe and comfortable in there.
"protect the women" what about the little boys being preyed on my cis men? If they cared about people's safety they'd not allow ACTUAL sexual predators go into restrooms.
The main reason that it has been hard to determine exactly what is in the law is because it was done in a very rushed manner. It is very bad legislation. Also, you are right on target about it being aimed at the MtF trans community.
Omg yes!! Completely agree not to mention how much more danger trans women are in than transmen! It's crazy that such things happen, and rather than make such bills why don't that just make it a requirement for all public bathroom to include either a family bathroom or a gender nutral bathroom where it doesn't matter what gender you are
My interpretation of the transmen posing in front of women's bathrooms is "if you're going to say trans women have to use the men's room, you're also saying we should use the women's room". Kind of like a using your passing privilege to make a point and an equivalent that might make people realize what they're asking? I haven't seen what you're talking about, but I think it could also be interpreted this way.
i identify as genderfluid, and at my work, there is the women's bathroom, the men's bathroom and then the family restroom. The family restroom is basically one big stall with a changing table to change a diaper. I prefer to use the family restroom because i don't have to share it with other women. I look female pretty much all the time, I am a bio female. I just don't often feel female.
I live in Charlotte, NC and let me just say how embarrassing that I live here. HB-2 was a bill that was poorly written and unilaterally propagated in under 12 hours. Whenever I hear McCrory speak of "common sense" legislation, it sends chills up my spine. Common sense is not the same as truth or science. Human sexuality is extremely complex and is by no means an exclusively binary system of male and female, gay or straight.. There exists sorts of variations, just like eye or skin color. The uneducated or willfully ignorant of the world are those that would have you believe that this is all the name of protecting women and children. I call bullshit on this "us versus them" paradigm. This is no us and them. Only "we".
In the state of Ohio, where I live, you cannot ever change the gender marker on your birth certificate, even if it is changed on all of your other forms of identification.
I felt really uncomfortable with the trans guy in women's bathroom/dominance thing too and you really nailed it on the head in my opinion. I feel like the only way to stop this Is for everyone to start literally pooping outside the houses of the people creating these bills.
as a smol nonbinary trans kid (agender) living in NC im dying currently bc i dont "look cis"/like i belong in any bathroom so i dont feel safe anywhere bc i never get gendered correctly rip
Yeah, I've seen transmen on my friends list trying to get people to share their posts of "Do you want me in the women's bathroom?" and shake my head. Why would you post something like that when you're basically making it worse sending such a message for those that aren't passing or don't want to pass?
Thank you thank you thank you SO much for addressing the problematic nature of trans men taking the pictures in women's restrooms with those captions. I too have been so, so uncomfortable with this trend, even though I know the trans men doing this are coming from an understandably frustrated place because of the absurd and gross and dehumanizing nature of this whole law and debate. But trans men are reinforcing rape culture when they present their presence as a threat in the women's bathroom. I get uncomfortable too because I feel like as trans men, it's dangerous to make this about us when all of the rhetoric used by these politicians is solely about trans women. Yes these laws absolutely affect all of us and we should all be actively fighting them as best we can; however, I feel like it's really important that we all bear in mind that trans women are the ones actively being scapegoated, and they are the ones being put in the greatest danger of violence by the laws.
sure if a "male" came into the "female" bathroom i would ask that person whats going on, if the answer was im on my way to becoming a woman, or im a female in a male body i would just say "cool, well then have a nice day and i wish you the best of luck" and be okay with it all, i dont mind a female in a female bathroom, i would actually think that that person was so strong and awesome for walking in there like its nothing... i could write so much more, but my point is, LOVE FOR ALL!!!!
tbh i feel like since im a nb boy it's really likely for me to be harassed in either bathroom?? im not on hormones but sometimes i look masc and ive been in the womens restroom (bc it's the safest place holy hell) and have had people see me as masc before the bill was passed. but honestly i fear that either restroom i go into i will get pepper sprayed since texas is a hellhole
+Noah Christiansen Just look up the North Carolina bathroom bill, and no they don't check peoples ID's and stuff for their gender. However, you will get in trouble if someone was to call security on you because you look slightly more masculine than others, and your ID says male. It isn't talked about much, even in NC, because people a lot of people disagree with the bill and ignore it and do whatever they want anyways, that's most likely why you haven't heard much of it.
Michigan has a bill right now that any transgender student or any student in general to use the bathroom of the gender they identify with but you have to be approved by the state so a kid can't just say oh I feel like a girl/boy so I get to use this bathroom at school well at least it's one small step for trans kind but it hasn't been passed yet
I'm AFAB non-binary and medically transitioning to male. I use the gender neutral/unisex single stall all the time now as it's my little bubble of safety. I've a few unsettling experiences the mens room where it became painfully evident to me that I'm not "passable". I have a very androgynous "baby-face" and even five years on T, while I can grow facial hair, I don't like it, am actually getting IPL done on it. I went to a LGBT nightclub (of all places) and when leaving a stall there was a guy who had been waiting outside the stall with his friends, he took one glance at me and yelled, "What the FUCK?!" I ignored him and left the mens room. I SHOULD have reported him but I didn't feel like ruining what was otherwise a fun night or his night for that matter, unless he decided to make things violent or continued verbal stuff, then I would have definitely gone to security. I just more or less accepted that even if a club claims to be T-friendly, it doesn't matter if the 95% of the LGB community only see transwomen and drag queens and ignore all other transgender and NB people's existence. I aim to have an androgynous male body with a feminine presentation and since I'll be presenting feminine, one day, I will be using the women's restroom as there's NO WAY in hell I'm going to walk into the mens room where people will perceive my appearance as "girl" Even though I'm not a transwoman, I can understand the fear of being "clocked" and the fear of walking into mens room with the risk of getting assaulted.
Whenever women see anyone even remotely masculine looking, they panic. Even when I wasn't out and dressing somewhat feminine, they'd look at me weirdly in the bathroom and think or say "What's this boy doing in the bathroom?" I'm out to pretty much everyone except my family, since they are incredibly transphobic. When I have to use the women's bathroom with my family, I often get yelled at or questions asked and it's very uncomfortable. Mind you, I am still pre-T. Anyone that is androgynous or masculine in the women's bathroom is immediately seen as a predator. It's sad for trans women and nonbinary people and even sometimes really masculine cis women since they all get seen as someone who's unwanted in there. I think society needs to stop assuming things. Women are women, even if they had a history of living as male. If cis women looked at the struggles of trans women and had empathy for them, maybe it wouldn't be such a problem. Imagine how awkward any trans person feels in the bathroom. And the fact that the bill is being passed by cis white men makes me mad. It doesn't even affect them in the slightest! They need to take a look at the situation without any judgements. Trans women just want to pee. So what if they had to live as a male once before in their life? They identify as female therefore they are female, whether they pass or don't pass.
I am from Alabama and I believe everyone has the right to love who they wanna love and be who they wanna be no matter what gender! I have no problem going to the bathroom with a trans woman! I think some people in the South are easily talked into believing or agreeing with certain things, especially things that don't know a lot about, like Transgenderism, but I don't want people to think that everyone in the South are awful people who are all against LGBT.
People judge femininity much harsher than they do masculinity. This is why sports reporters feel it pertinent to comment on a female athlete's clothing but not a male athlete's. It is due to this same stereotypes in our society that can make trans men posing in women's washroom feel threatening even though we understand that that is not the intent.
I agree - the sexual assault vibe is completely wrong with trans men but perhaps they were just trying to point out that removing trans women is not for women's safety . However , it definitely cut the wrong tone and is a bad image of trans people in general - you're right it does need to go.
Very well said, I agree with most of what you're saying. I'd kind of like to add that, just in general, the pictures of trans people in bathrooms make me kind of uncomfortable. I understand the intention, as you said, but they also support the idea that people's genders are obvious from their appearance, and give the feeling that people are only deserving of being able to use the bathroom that they're comfortable in when they "pass," which is obviously super problematic.
I understand what you were trying to say about how people "know what transwomen look like." It does seem to be a direct product of the media portrayal (mostly the negative) of transwomen. Part of the problem (if not the sole problem) is society's need to compartmentalize people based on male and female genders and the stereotypical physical characteristics associated with them. People associate specific characteristics to those genders and will automatically try to "sort" people into them, whether they're correct or not (and they aren't happy to admit they're wrong when it comes to the public restrooms). I also 100% agree with you that these "bathroom bills" do seem to specifically target transwomen. I've gotten into very heated arguments with people about trans people using public restrooms and they all say the same thing: "I don't want some man/person with a penis in the same bathroom as my wife/daughter." They never say anything about transmen. It also kind of astounds me that they don't see the problem with their own statement. They pretty much condemn the entire male population and insinuate that men have zero self-control or that a penis (no matter who it's attached to) is just going to go out and molest/rape women and little girls at every available opportunity. We're not concerned with lesbians sharing public restrooms/locker rooms with other women. It's only when there's a perceived penis involved do people start to freak out. It makes it seem like they should just announce that ALL men/individuals with a penis are horrible and will try to rape you, especially when you're trying to pee. They also seem to think that if transwomen are allowed to use the women's restroom that it somehow makes molesting/raping "okay." Last time I checked, that was still a crime no matter what kind of bill is introduced. It also perpetuates the completely ridiculous assumption that transwomen are "just men in dresses." Everyone has to use the bathroom; it's a necessary bodily function. It doesn't need to be interfered with by politics and unfounded fears. If we're going to target anyone in bathrooms, target the dirty politicians (who happen to be cis men) who have been caught soliciting/having sex in public restrooms.
I think is because women are more sexualised, it doesn't matter if they're cis or trans. Also some people doesn't think trans women exist, like: 'trans women are just some form of perversion' or 'trans women and drag queens are the same thing' many people aren't educated enough about trans issues and trans people in general, but since trans women are so present in the media and so visible, they have it harder, and i think it's not fair.
I also feel it's aimed more at transwomen. I've seen so many 'comics' of a man in the womans room perving on the women in there with the caption of something like "don't worry, I'm a trans woman". like wtf, no, that isnt even 1% accurate
I've been given the stare of death for going in the female loos and the men's now so I don't know where I'm supposed to go. Half the time I go in the disabled but I feel so bad for doing so.
the mtf version is in fact more trans-women-empowering (via sex, male gaze, and straight-cheating-threatening stuff, but empowering anyway i guess) while the ftm version plays on the same male-threatening-mysoginistic stuff. as if because we're men we're going to threaten the safety of cis women, when all we're gonna do if we happen to encounter them , is looking elsewhere while sneaking away, hoping they don't throw things at us or call security. it happened to me before i realized my passing as a male was good, and it was one of the most weird things that ever happened to me, hopefully i sneaked out quicky enough x') well i totally went elsewhere but i meant i agree with you. i think we should try hitting empathy rather than fear. idk how to do that though. maybe we could send them pictures of kitties.
I've seen posts that are like, a picture of a trans man in a women's room and it's captioned something like "Do I look like I belong in here" but I haven't seen the ones preying on the fear women live with on the daily =/ That's troubling and definitely not okay. I've also seen it said that those images, whether it's a trans woman in a men's room or the other way around, are putting the focus on how you look being the dictating factor on which bathroom you should get to use, which isn't cool. It's also been said that, in places where these bathroom bills are passed, cis men could just say they're trans to gain access to the women's room. Which is far more troubling, especially since, as you said, trans men become more or less indistinguishable from cis men once they've been on testosterone for a while. And yes, I hate it, too, but it's a lot harder for trans women to appear cis than it is for trans men. (Not that all of them even want to appear cis.) Testosterone is a helluva drug. It changes us transmasculine folks into what we want to look like, but it's damn near impossible to reverse the effects it does to you if you're a trans women or trans femme. If I'm "passing" after less than a year on T, an AMAB person who's had years of accumulated testosterone-fueled changes happen to them will have a much harder time eliminating or downplaying those attributes. Life in general is a lot harder for trans women, some of whom will never be able to look cis unless they get expensive surgeries to change their literal bone structure. These bills aren't about trans men or trans masculine people. I get the push to recognize that, hey, you're trying to keep "men" out of the ladies' room, but you're going to be PUTTING men in the ladies room by enforcing these laws. These lawmakers don't recognize that trans men exist, they are entirely focused on the ghastly image of a man in a dress coming to prey on their wives and children.
I was "ratted out" on being Transgender and using the male bathroom (where I felt most comfortable) because a kid at my school was paid to tell the principle if there was any Transgender people using the "wrong gender's" bathroom.... I do school online now.. Because I refuse to go to a school that does that... And it is sad because ALOT of the schools in the US are putting a sort of bounty on the heads of Transgender kids...
The law was based around sex offenders, but sex offenders are already breaking the law! This law isn't going to stop people already doing something illegal from stoping. It is going to make trans people uncomfortable and have such bad dysphoria.
+James Siebels The unfortunate truth is the "sex offenders" angle is (in most cases) an excuse to demonise and discriminate against trans people. Just like most pro-lifers don't really want to bring abortion rates down (if they did, they would support comprehensive sex ed), but rather want to punish women for their sexuality (poor phrasing but my brain isn't doing words today). They also don't seem to care much about the life of the mother, or that of the child once it leaves the womb. Similar story here, the people making these laws don't care about the actual reality of sexual assault. They just don't want trans people's identities to be validated in any way.
Trans/non-binary people should definitely be able to use whichever bathroom they chose. I think the problem is for those with malicious intent seeing a child (of whichever gender) go into the bathroom alone & then following the child in order to harm them, in particular young girls and older men. Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm just playing devils advocate.
I don't know how it is where you live, but I live in southwest Virginia (close to North Carolina, bleh), and if a man came out of a women's bathroom the dudes that saw it would beat the shit out of him. I see your point, and it's still more dangerous for transwomen, but around here it's pretty dangerous for transmen too. Love you Chaseee. :D
You brought up a lot of really good points and ideas/perspectives i haven't considered or thought of. Yes, I agree about what you said about the media. It doesn't help as the picture may have a 2nd message that the poster is not aware of.Trans women are stigmatized more than trans men. I think thats maybe what you were trying to say. It may also be because people still use or rely on stereotypical traits of the gender binaries when seeing someone for the first time. I think you were hinting at this too. So when we see someone (especially trans women) breaking society's perception of what gender should look like, it is frowned upon. I don't know how to explain all of this either. There are definitely sociocultural factors. This law is really just causing more problems. The law assumes that everyone fits into only two categories, which is obviously not the case. People are diverse! This NC bathroom law does bring up additional important topics that aren't discussed much, which you have brought attention to.
Here's what I say to anyone saying they are worried for their kids don't let them go to the bathroom alone . I was told it's not their fault I have a mental health problem so why should they be at risk . I am a trans man and I am scared to use the men's room and women's because I am starting to look like a guy .
bro you were all over the place, you need to plan more what you wanna say, I got confused by the end of your video but I think I got what you wanna say. lol. don't trust language, it kills the author.
+uppercaseCHASE1 Lol same though. I have ADD and I barely even realized you were all over the place until it was pointed out. I guess your speaking my jumbled language xD p.s not making fun, laughing with you not at you (hopefully)..
I think that it's strange to insinuate that if a trans woman were forced to use the men's room, they would just flirt or worse, perform sexual favors. Considering the fetishism of trans women and the sex work many have to go into bc they can't find traditional employment due to transphobia. But I do see your point about the counter argument meme helps to further the misconception that all trans people are pedophiles or sexual predators. I think those guys were just trying to point out the irony and the unintended results of the bill.
Since you talked about cis/trans features, my sister is cis but she's 6'2 & has broad shoulders cuz she's a rower & has actually been asked if she's trans (not often) and she just says "no, but my brother is!"
Idk why I find that so entertaining but I do
Honestly I just want to pee lol
Same
As a trans woman in the U.S., I just want to thank you for this video Chase. It is completely on point. And the word you were looking for for why trans women in men's restrooms is very different from trans men in women's restrooms is transmisogyny. Thank you again for this amazing video!
Madeline - This comment was *months ago* but it's true so kudos.
I think the basic idea around the selfies of trans men in the ladies' room, is that a woman's first reaction to anyone masculine presenting in her bathroom is fear. I doubt any of her first thoughts would be, "What's in his pants, though?" At least that's how I've always looked at it. I had to switch from the women's room to the men's at school (started that way because I was unsure of my own safety) because I got to about 4 months HRT and was starting to get looks in the women's bathroom. Especially when I spoke.
But I'm against the selfie purpose being to either intimidate OR threaten to be sexual towards someone. It's adding to both stereotypes (aggressive pervs or just sexual deviants) and it's not good. I think the focus should be more of a, "How would others react?" to those who "pass".
This is such a hard topic to explain, and it's such a big issue right now and I just had a discussion with my mother and grandmother about the bill but you are explaining your view on it very very well. Thank you for addressing this.
I completely understand what you're saying. Because trans women are in the media more, cis people have started to pinpoint the features that are different between male bodies and female bodies and, whether they are or not, are more likely to assume a woman is trans if they have a typically masculine feature.
+raggedy-smith It is bullcrap, but no one listens to the community. :(
this is something I've been thinking about a lot lately and I 100% agree with everything you said here. the great thing about your videos is that you're so open about everything and you bring up new topics or topics people have been avoiding
I love how real and uncensored these videos are! I saw some other comments on how long and all over the place ur vids are but I really really like it! You can see how passionate you are and how you think! It's just a great discussion! Thank you for posting this video❤️👌🏻
As a trans guy in North Carolina, I'm so ashamed of my state. I'm now about to be in a position where I can't go into a public restroom without either breaking a law or outing myself without wanting to. Also, I really want to hug you right now, Chase, because you seem so upset about this and I am too and hugs help people feel more okay.
***** It's not a repressed fear, it's a logical wariness of becoming another victim of some idiot who is scared of anyone different from them and who lashes out at me for being different.
***** Yes, other people have legitimate fears, but why is that being brought up? I mean, it's not like it's logical to fear trans people. It seems you're just here to bitch about me wanting to be able to take a piss in peace. Let me ask you, how long have you held it? Because I have held it for *hours* because I 1, didn't want to use the women's restroom, 2, didn't want to be a victim, and 3, didn't want guys around me to be uncomfortable about the small, androgynous person who seems to consider themself a guy, whatever they have under their clothes. Do you know how hard it is to concentrate when your bladder feels like it's about to burst open? And as someone who didn't have a say in governor McCrory's election because I was too young to vote against him, and make no mistake, I would never vote for a man who would take away my rights because of a Very Specific crime that was more imagined than real until the GOP decided to fearmonger about my people, I have the right to be mad at the others who live in my state for choosing a fearmongering, slimy, disgusting man who refused to even talk with a trans woman about HB2.
***** Well, thanks for now proving that you're not worth the time of day. Go talk to a reputable psychologist about us and they'll set you straight on some things. Also, I know my civic duty, thank you very much, I plan to vote in this upcoming election.
***** Okay, fine, my question still stands. What do you propose to do to treat us? Please tell me since you think you know so much, how do you treat something like this?
***** Well, I'd rather *not* spend all my life looking at why I'm cast out of society, forced to pretend, and basically stuck between being a man and pretending to be a woman, so sorry for having a life. Actually, if you were trans, you'd understand why most of us know only a basic explanation of our condition; it *hurts*. It hurts to see our lives turned into some science experiment. Until I realized I was trans, I almost worshiped science, detested the idea that someone would shy away from knowledge, but when I started looking into it, seeing my own life laid out on a scientific slab was... It felt too cold, compared to the heat of the reality of being trans. But you being a cisgender probably straight probably male, you wouldn't really understand. You've probably never felt hurt that wouldn't be fixed by anything, not time, not love, not science, not *anything*. Because no matter what, we'll always be seen as freaks, we'll never have the media representation we deserve, we'll never see a character like us in anything do great things. No, characters like us die, that's all. We're just filler characters made LGBTQ+ so it would be sadder when the character was put down. You'll never suffer through that pain, feeling like you have to pretend to be something you're not if you want to be great, and in the end, the guy gets the girl, the guy never gets the guy, and the girl never gets the girl, and the trans person never gets anyone. Science can't explain that with anything that absolves directors and film-makers of their crimes against us. Learning why I'm like this won't make more trans characters appear in bigger roles. And it certainly won't get the right actors cast, so why should I learn something that makes me feel like I'm even more of an outcast and a freak who will never get their guy, girl, or enby? Who will always be a freak?
You hit the nail on the head in the first 5 mins. I am still watching this video but I want to also add that those pictures of transmen who pass as cis, in the bathrooms are kind of fueling the idea that folks w. beards and mustaches shouldn't be in the women washroom. I mean, I get what they are trying to do but it rubs me the wrong way as well. This bill is targeting transwomen 100%, in my opinion.
Trans women get made fun of more in the media than trans men (in some cases). Like in family guy and all of those other "comedy" shows every time they want to make fun of trans people its always MtF trans people. because of those shows people think that trans women are just men pretending to be women. It's so annoying and frustrating.
Regarding trans men posting selfies in the women's bathroom, it's ridiculous because a big bearded "masculine" man in the women's room is nowhere near as in danger as a transwomen in the men's room. The women's room is such a safe place compared to the mens room. Putting transmen in the womens room is weird and out of place, but putting transwomen in the men's room is literally life threatening, the men's room is like a death trap to them. And that issue is so trivialized with those transmen selfies..
Please explain to me why being a female in a male's bathroom is life threatening.
You are the only trans guy I've seen talk about the trans men in the bathrooms thing, THANK YOU! I keep seeing trans men going into the bathroom and taking pictures and making the issue of "oh a masculine person is the the women's room is a threat" which affect trans women, BIGGER
thank you for talking about this!
Since I was a little kid I've presented quite masculine and public bathrooms have been a constant struggle even though I identified as female at the time. Pretty much every time I've used a girls' washroom I have either gotten angry looks or yelled at. Luckily where I live this isn't an issue but if I was forced into the girls' bathroom it would cause a lot more trouble then to just use the men's room where chances are I won't even be noticed. And everyone is like well a cis guy could go into the bathroom and say he is a trans woman and rape someone. But do they really think a sign on a door is going to stop a rapist? How about instead of banning trans people from using the bathroom they feel comfortable in, they work on actually doing something about it. We shouldn't have to live in fear, let's stop saying "it's just a part of life" and start educating people and putting a stop to it.
Legit when I was seven i walked into the women's bathroom a lady hit me over the head with her purse cause I always had short hair and had boy clothing and I always got the UGLIEST looks
+Parker Heffernan When I was 8 I went into the ladies room and got asked to "prove" my gender because I looked like a boy. Like someone legit asked an EIGHT YEAR OLD to prove their gender because they MIGHT be in the wrong bathroom. Like what was I supposed to do? Show her my genitals? People are so crazy sometimes.
+Kadyn Caza You're correct about that. I never really understood it myself, how people think transwoman are just going to rape everyone. A sign won't stop rapists from raping people. Besides, if the transwoman was "truly" trans, as I do not mean to be transphobic, but am only using that word in the context that people believe someone has to be "truly" trans in order to use a certain restroom such as "oh what if they're just perverts who are crossdressing", the thing is, all of the female restrooms I've been in, I usually never been in one where the woman are half naked washing their hands. People usually just walk in, take a piss, wash their hands and leave. The transwoman aren't going to pee in sinks, there are stalls, woman don't see each other taking a piss. So what is the problem? People make such a big deal out of it and so many woman make excuses to why they don't want transwoman inside "their restroom", but none of the excuses are reasonable. People usually only go to the restroom to relieve themselves, you shouldn't make a big deal out of something that only lasts 8 minutes max. And sorry for ranting to you, I was just agreeing to you and kinda... ranted.
Honestly this is why I wish every and all places had single person bathrooms or gender neutral bathrooms. As a non-binary trans person who can mostly pass as male I feel uncomfortable in either bathroom at this point.
I LIVE IN NC AND ITS AWFUL. I CAN'T GO TO THE MEN'S RESTROOM ANYMORE. SOMEONE SERIOUSLY STOPPED ME AND ASKED WHERE I WAS GOING. IT'S BS
+Auden Corbett Sorry to hear about it. :( It's a bullshit law indeed.
Ugh all those bills are scaring me
I had seen some of those pictures on twitter and whatnot and thought nothing of them (other than outrage at the bathroom bill, that is), but now after your video I understand your concern about it. It makes me think of how the end doesn't justify the means and how we shouldn't be trying to 'win this battle' through fear and instead through respect. Thank you for explaining and keep up the good work! (I really look forward to reading your thesis... eventually I hope)
Yes!! Those pictures bother me so much
we just got finished discussing this in my friend group. it's an uncomfortable confusing topic all over, and i think you explained it pretty well. also im glad you brought up the pictures of the transmen with the women's bathroom because they've been making me feel the same way, even though i know no one posting those are trying to be bad.
I agree with you about those posts to a point, I do feel that people who are posting them are trying to help, but it is not transmen that are in danger. If a transman went into a woman only bathroom they are not in danger of being beat up, raped or worse. Where if a transwoman went into a mens bathroom any of that could happen. Luckly the bill was shot down where i live, and stores are putting in gender neutral bathrooms. I love your videos :)
+makeup momma women go into the mens bathroom all the time, especially if its a crowded place and the line for the womens bathroom is really long. Also, I get what you're saying, but you'e kinda implying that men can't be raped, beaten up, or worse. I think transwomen are definitely in more danger, but there are plenty of transmen who get harassed and beaten up in the bathroom, especially when a group of women gang up on them.
+kaden grey i am not trying to say that men can't be raped or that trans men's can't or don't get harassed. But I do feel that trans woman are at a greater risk of being hurt.
These types of videos are your best and thank you for making this. You are excellent at what you do and thank you for bringing awareness to this subject and I thought the exact same thing about those pictures.
I really love these videos and how you talk about it. Like, I get you and I really understand where you were going on with these comments you made esp when it comes to the Woman's bathroom. Like when I heard about these (cis) males following random women (where I think like 98% were very masculine presenting women, not trans or on the spectrum) into the woman's bathrooms and harassing them, telling /the woman/ that she was trans when they weren't and getting into arguments like.. I've been honestly scared to use restrooms in fear of the men following someone in. Like, ugh. I understand, and thank you for uploading!
I love chase he tries really hard to be pc and speak on controversial topics as best as he can and honestly we need more big trans youtubers to talk about these issues like this
Why many people are negative towards Caitlyn Jenner these days? I don't get it. Could you make a video about it? I personally think she did more than enough for the whole community just by coming out so publicly.
He already kinda did. Just scroll through his videos, you'll find it.
Yup! I made a video about this on my channel maybe 2-3 months ago? And on FTM TRANSTASTIC last week!
CHASE YOU'RE SO CUTE and i really appreciate the points you brought up. thank you for addressing this!!
I can't believe it passed
Sadly I can. America is not accepting of trans people, and especially the South.
+Alex Creed it's depressing that people can't except the trans community. It's like "hey you are different I'll pretend you don't exist so I don't have to think about you!" If that makes sense.
I think it's weird how this bill in North Carolina is blowing up but the Texas bathroom bill that says you have to go into the bathroom that aligns with your chromosomes. So if you have xx chromosomes you have to go into the women's restroom and if you have xy chromosomes you have to go into the men's bathroom soooo..... It's even worse then this one.
Did the Texas bill get passed? I haven't seen anything on it in a while.
so what about people with XXY or XXX or XYY chromosomes? I swear politicians literally just choose to ignore science and let their bigotry take precedence.
They describe male as having at least 1 X and 1 Y, and female as at least 1 X and no Y.
Even those, for example, assigned female at birth with XY (which a small percent are) must use the men's under that bill.
Do they realize that not every vagina-owner is born with XX chromosomes and not every penis-owner is born with XY chromosomes? It's rare, but it's real. I forgot what it's called, though.
I'm stealth in my sociology class and we were talking about the bathroom bills around the country and what some people were saying was honestly disturbing.
This is how I feel trying to talk to my dad and brother about this, ugh! You have to use societies stereotypes and examples to make sense to those caught up in societies rules but making ourselves use those words makes us cringe! I feel ya dude!! Haha great video ✌️💙
I think you're absolutely correct. This bill completely infringes on the rights of trans women. Any trans guy that passes the socially accepted degree of masculinity won't be expected to use the women's bathroom - I cannot see anyone that supports this bill telling a trans guy with a beard and a baritone for instance that their place is in the female bathroom. I'm a Brit and watching this unfurl from across the pond has been really disheartening. I haven't heard anything from Chaz Bono about this topic which is frustrating. Are South Dakota and North Carloina really saying people like Shawn Stinson and Aydian Dowling should be using a female restroom? I don't wanna call it male privilege because I'm not sure that it is but there's definitely a double standard here. Trans women go through enough, this is absurd.
I was actually affected by this bill cause i live in North Carolina. Because the administration at the time ruled that schools had to let trans students use the bathroom they wanted, they made me use the staff men's bathrooms, and there were none in the highschool building where I took my electives. Sometimes i have like, mysophobia episodes or something where i can't stop washing my hands and it was horrible because i couldn't go to the bathroom and i had to keep rinsing my hands in the ice-cold water fountain, my hands eventually went numb.
This was such a helpful video. I hadn't even considered the possible negativity from playing off the fear of women having men in bathrooms.
being raised in the atlanta, it's bizarre because in my city people are so open and accepting but a 10 minute drive outside and people are outrageous homophobic, transphobic, etc
I think there should be a bathroom for females (cis, and non cis), males (cis, and non cis), and a unisex one for anyone and everyone no matter how they identify. I think unisex would also be good for people who are trans who are too scared to go into their bathroom because they feel they don't "pass" enough.
I think I understand what you're getting at ( I'm ftm/dfab something idek anymore). I think it's kinda because with being transmasc people are just likely to see you as younger, gay (which isn't too off with me bc I'm bi), or just feminine looking. You might get some people making fun of you, but most of the time you won't get assaulted. No one really looks for it. Meanwhile throughout the history of media we've had the jokes in movies and TV shows of a man in a dress. MASH, The Boxtrolls, part of Mulan, etc. These are just three examples off the top of my head where men are dressing as women and it's seen as a joke to the audience. I love this TV show and those two movies, I do, but I realize that they are transmisogynist. It's very telling that in Mulan when her three friends dressed as women it was funny to me as a kid, but when Mulan herself pretended to be a man it was serious and inspirational.
With transmen people are more likely to see you as a man, or at least as a person, but with transwomen society sees them as a joke.
Again, I am trans myself and fully admit that I have privilege over my transfeminine friends, be them women or non-binary. People are more likely to see me as valid and will be more likely to see that I "pass" when I use hormones and bind than my friend Jade who is a transgirl and over 6' tall and has stubble if she doesn't shave everyday. If I wore a suit and binded people could get behind the fact I'm not a girl, but if Jade wore a dress people would be more likely to think she's a flamboyant gay man (she's a lesbian) or trying to break gender roles (again, she's a girl).
I've read comments saying."what's to stop a pedophile/rapist from dressing as a woman and saying they're trans" I hate people so much..
That's a really good point...the media & powers that be are playing on women's fears. Glad you caught that!
i am in a really in between spot in my transition right now, where i'm getting gendered differently every time i meet someone. i don't ID as male and i still feel v uncomfortable using the men's room, but i've decided that its important for me to not use the women's restroom anymore because i would rather ME be uncomfortable in the men's room than make women feel uncomfortable in their restroom... privilege (male privilege) is a huge factor when talking about afab vs. amab trans issues... idk idk i'm thinking a lot now, thanks for the vid
I love listening to him talk I feel like he's talking to me like I'm his friend
Your logic makes so much sense man. I agree completely.
As a quazi-trans androgynous AMAB person living as a woman because that's what people think I am, I support and thank those trans men taking the photos from Womens' bathrooms because they are exposing the thoughtlessness, prejudice, and hypocrisy of our legislators through malicious compliance.
Hey friend! I think you are totally on point. I'm also glad you kind of brought up nonbinary people and I get you're talking about a very specific issue of trans men playing into the sort of "sexual assault" vibes to protest the bathroom laws.
But shoutout to any other nonbinary trans folk in your viewership who are super worried about the implications for us too. The LGBT/trans community are just getting around to pushing for gender neutral bathrooms, and these kind of laws definitely discourage that movement. I want to be able to pee in public restrooms without feeling hella triggered, you know? I want an option that fits me.
This bill absolutely terrifies me, and I'm a trans man, so I can't imagine how trans women are feeling about this. I'm not from the south but I worry that people will try to start getting this bill in other states, or countrywide after the election in November.
I really think that transguys should be approaching this differently. Like maybe taking pictures in the women's bathroom in the same way transwomen are, more attractively instead of using the intimidation factor. Then it would be more like "I'm super sexy. Do you want me to be in here with your wife?". That might not make a whole lot of sense but I mean it in the same way as an attractive woman being in the men's bathroom. Play on the fear of cheating, not assault. I'm a transman in North Carolina, by the way and this law has done so much damage to me being able to live my life the way it should be.
Oh my gawd you posted ittttttt yasssss I love your rant videos
When I came out at school. My teachers said I can use the male, nurse, or teacher bathroom.
Where I live, if you tell the school the gender you identify as you can go into that bathroom. So if you were born female and identify as male, you can go into the male bathroom, vise versa. This also applies to field trips out of school, but the school has to know what you identify as.
Hey. Hi. Hello there. Fellow trans man living in Charlotte, NC. Ok so. Literally North Carolina has pretty much been in flames since this bill has passed. Not lying at all here, the state is split straight down the middle. Transphobic people are just crawling out of the shadows now. I often tend to wear my Gender Is Over brand sweatshirt to work (I work at an open market) and since HB2 has been passed I get on the daily stares, dirgative language, people mumbling about me, I've been called the F-slur, like what the hell!? Just last week a trans woman was stabbed nearly to death 5 minutes away from where I live. I have been a part of the trans activism community here in NC for about 2 years now, but now I'm terrified to leave my own house. This past summer, I represented Charlotte at Brave New Voiced (youth poetry internationals) in DC and we performed a group piece about HB2. Dozens of people spoke to me after the performance asking if the state was truly in this bad of a state, and YES IT FUCKING SUCKS. I'm pre-T, and already worried about being stared at when I used the men's bathroom, but more so now more than ever. Some of my closest friends are trans, and in particular trans women, and I'm fucking terrified for them. People here will now be quick to say something transphobic, and if you speak against them they are now legally in the right. LGBT activists here in state like I are constantly pushing to change this shit. We are using the bathrooms of our identity, and if anybody says anything about it, we stay strong because we know where it's we are supposed to be.
I also had a conversation with my Sister yesterday where she said she didn't want someone who had not "had the surgery" in her bathroom. I asked how she would know if someone had had the surgery? And if that in her eyes was all that determined if they were "man or woman" enough. When are people going to get that one's gender identity is not about what's in your pants? It's the first question people ask, "Are you going to have the surgery?" And this premise is the basis for these laws that are being passed. It's the idea that our gender identity is tied to our birth certificate, or to the surgery. I'm sorry but I knew I was a guy before I realized what genitals were. So I asked my sister, "If a guy lost his genitals in an accident is he still a guy?" Her reply was of course, "YES" . The bigger question her is how do we get people to understand gender identitiy? This same sister asked me when I was living as a lesbian, "if I felt like a man inside" to help her understand my attraction to women. She was satisfied with my answer then,. But the same answer now, as Trans is hard to understand. So I ask again, how do we get people to understand Trans and not pass laws against us?
where did you actually find that fabulous wallpaper?
It's not a wallpaper lol I actually designed it myself. I cut out 126 pictures of cats and stuck them to my wall lollll #dedicated
+uppercaseCHASE1 OMGGGGG I REALLY JUST ADORE IT!!! I would steal it if I could
Yes. I agree on this so much.
So in South Dakota, I was sitting in the committee hearing before the bill went to the floor and the main supporter, during his questioning, his comment about transmen using to the male was along the lines of ohh you can not tell me you feel safe and comfortable in there.
"protect the women" what about the little boys being preyed on my cis men? If they cared about people's safety they'd not allow ACTUAL sexual predators go into restrooms.
The main reason that it has been hard to determine exactly what is in the law is because it was done in a very rushed manner. It is very bad legislation. Also, you are right on target about it being aimed at the MtF trans community.
Omg yes!! Completely agree not to mention how much more danger trans women are in than transmen! It's crazy that such things happen, and rather than make such bills why don't that just make it a requirement for all public bathroom to include either a family bathroom or a gender nutral bathroom where it doesn't matter what gender you are
My interpretation of the transmen posing in front of women's bathrooms is "if you're going to say trans women have to use the men's room, you're also saying we should use the women's room". Kind of like a using your passing privilege to make a point and an equivalent that might make people realize what they're asking? I haven't seen what you're talking about, but I think it could also be interpreted this way.
Awesome rant once again! You have all the points. (Haha)
i identify as genderfluid, and at my work, there is the women's bathroom, the men's bathroom and then the family restroom. The family restroom is basically one big stall with a changing table to change a diaper. I prefer to use the family restroom because i don't have to share it with other women. I look female pretty much all the time, I am a bio female. I just don't often feel female.
I live in Charlotte, NC and let me just say how embarrassing that I live here. HB-2 was a bill that was poorly written and unilaterally propagated in under 12 hours. Whenever I hear McCrory speak of "common sense" legislation, it sends chills up my spine. Common sense is not the same as truth or science. Human sexuality is extremely complex and is by no means an exclusively binary system of male and female, gay or straight.. There exists sorts of variations, just like eye or skin color. The uneducated or willfully ignorant of the world are those that would have you believe that this is all the name of protecting women and children. I call bullshit on this "us versus them" paradigm. This is no us and them. Only "we".
Even with some of the clumsy wording you did great explaining this!
In the state of Ohio, where I live, you cannot ever change the gender marker on your birth certificate, even if it is changed on all of your other forms of identification.
My question is how are they gonna tell if your trans or cis in a closed bathroom stall. I'm in America and it just doesn't make sense.
I felt really uncomfortable with the trans guy in women's bathroom/dominance thing too and you really nailed it on the head in my opinion.
I feel like the only way to stop this Is for everyone to start literally pooping outside the houses of the people creating these bills.
as a smol nonbinary trans kid (agender) living in NC im dying currently bc i dont "look cis"/like i belong in any bathroom so i dont feel safe anywhere bc i never get gendered correctly rip
I'm nonbinary and I live in NC AAAHHHH HELP I APPARENTLY DON'T EXIST AND I'M SO DYSPHORIC I'll stop now I'm too sad for anything
this is my state... it's so scary... I don't think I can ever come out because of it and it makes me cry..
Yeah, I've seen transmen on my friends list trying to get people to share their posts of "Do you want me in the women's bathroom?" and shake my head. Why would you post something like that when you're basically making it worse sending such a message for those that aren't passing or don't want to pass?
Thank you thank you thank you SO much for addressing the problematic nature of trans men taking the pictures in women's restrooms with those captions. I too have been so, so uncomfortable with this trend, even though I know the trans men doing this are coming from an understandably frustrated place because of the absurd and gross and dehumanizing nature of this whole law and debate. But trans men are reinforcing rape culture when they present their presence as a threat in the women's bathroom.
I get uncomfortable too because I feel like as trans men, it's dangerous to make this about us when all of the rhetoric used by these politicians is solely about trans women. Yes these laws absolutely affect all of us and we should all be actively fighting them as best we can; however, I feel like it's really important that we all bear in mind that trans women are the ones actively being scapegoated, and they are the ones being put in the greatest danger of violence by the laws.
sure if a "male" came into the "female" bathroom i would ask that person whats going on, if the answer was im on my way to becoming a woman, or im a female in a male body i would just say "cool, well then have a nice day and i wish you the best of luck" and be okay with it all, i dont mind a female in a female bathroom, i would actually think that that person was so strong and awesome for walking in there like its nothing... i could write so much more, but my point is, LOVE FOR ALL!!!!
tbh i feel like since im a nb boy it's really likely for me to be harassed in either bathroom?? im not on hormones but sometimes i look masc and ive been in the womens restroom (bc it's the safest place holy hell) and have had people see me as masc before the bill was passed. but honestly i fear that either restroom i go into i will get pepper sprayed since texas is a hellhole
I havent heard of this before (that much)... Do they check Peoples gender marker when they are in the bathroom? Where do i read about this?
+Noah Christiansen Just look up the North Carolina bathroom bill, and no they don't check peoples ID's and stuff for their gender. However, you will get in trouble if someone was to call security on you because you look slightly more masculine than others, and your ID says male. It isn't talked about much, even in NC, because people a lot of people disagree with the bill and ignore it and do whatever they want anyways, that's most likely why you haven't heard much of it.
i'm a feminine trans guy (maybe nonbinary?) and honestly, i'm super confused about what i'm supposed to do.
Michigan has a bill right now that any transgender student or any student in general to use the bathroom of the gender they identify with but you have to be approved by the state so a kid can't just say oh I feel like a girl/boy so I get to use this bathroom at school well at least it's one small step for trans kind but it hasn't been passed yet
I live in Oklahoma and yeah they don't know we exist
I didn't know it was not just fictional until less than 2 years ago
I'm AFAB non-binary and medically transitioning to male. I use the gender neutral/unisex single stall all the time now as it's my little bubble of safety. I've a few unsettling experiences the mens room where it became painfully evident to me that I'm not "passable". I have a very androgynous "baby-face" and even five years on T, while I can grow facial hair, I don't like it, am actually getting IPL done on it. I went to a LGBT nightclub (of all places) and when leaving a stall there was a guy who had been waiting outside the stall with his friends, he took one glance at me and yelled, "What the FUCK?!" I ignored him and left the mens room. I SHOULD have reported him but I didn't feel like ruining what was otherwise a fun night or his night for that matter, unless he decided to make things violent or continued verbal stuff, then I would have definitely gone to security. I just more or less accepted that even if a club claims to be T-friendly, it doesn't matter if the 95% of the LGB community only see transwomen and drag queens and ignore all other transgender and NB people's existence. I aim to have an androgynous male body with a feminine presentation and since I'll be presenting feminine, one day, I will be using the women's restroom as there's NO WAY in hell I'm going to walk into the mens room where people will perceive my appearance as "girl" Even though I'm not a transwoman, I can understand the fear of being "clocked" and the fear of walking into mens room with the risk of getting assaulted.
Whenever women see anyone even remotely masculine looking, they panic. Even when I wasn't out and dressing somewhat feminine, they'd look at me weirdly in the bathroom and think or say "What's this boy doing in the bathroom?" I'm out to pretty much everyone except my family, since they are incredibly transphobic. When I have to use the women's bathroom with my family, I often get yelled at or questions asked and it's very uncomfortable. Mind you, I am still pre-T.
Anyone that is androgynous or masculine in the women's bathroom is immediately seen as a predator. It's sad for trans women and nonbinary people and even sometimes really masculine cis women since they all get seen as someone who's unwanted in there. I think society needs to stop assuming things. Women are women, even if they had a history of living as male. If cis women looked at the struggles of trans women and had empathy for them, maybe it wouldn't be such a problem. Imagine how awkward any trans person feels in the bathroom.
And the fact that the bill is being passed by cis white men makes me mad. It doesn't even affect them in the slightest! They need to take a look at the situation without any judgements. Trans women just want to pee. So what if they had to live as a male once before in their life? They identify as female therefore they are female, whether they pass or don't pass.
LOL took me about 5 mo to realize I couldn't free lift 250 LBS anymore.
The thing with the bill is that are they going to check you or your birth certificate or are they going to assume your gender?
I am from Alabama and I believe everyone has the right to love who they wanna love and be who they wanna be no matter what gender! I have no problem going to the bathroom with a trans woman! I think some people in the South are easily talked into believing or agreeing with certain things, especially things that don't know a lot about, like Transgenderism, but I don't want people to think that everyone in the South are awful people who are all against LGBT.
People judge femininity much harsher than they do masculinity. This is why sports reporters feel it pertinent to comment on a female athlete's clothing but not a male athlete's. It is due to this same stereotypes in our society that can make trans men posing in women's washroom feel threatening even though we understand that that is not the intent.
I agree - the sexual assault vibe is completely wrong with trans men but perhaps they were just trying to point out that removing trans women is not for women's safety . However , it definitely cut the wrong tone and is a bad image of trans people in general - you're right it does need to go.
Very well said, I agree with most of what you're saying. I'd kind of like to add that, just in general, the pictures of trans people in bathrooms make me kind of uncomfortable. I understand the intention, as you said, but they also support the idea that people's genders are obvious from their appearance, and give the feeling that people are only deserving of being able to use the bathroom that they're comfortable in when they "pass," which is obviously super problematic.
I understand what you were trying to say about how people "know what transwomen look like." It does seem to be a direct product of the media portrayal (mostly the negative) of transwomen. Part of the problem (if not the sole problem) is society's need to compartmentalize people based on male and female genders and the stereotypical physical characteristics associated with them. People associate specific characteristics to those genders and will automatically try to "sort" people into them, whether they're correct or not (and they aren't happy to admit they're wrong when it comes to the public restrooms).
I also 100% agree with you that these "bathroom bills" do seem to specifically target transwomen. I've gotten into very heated arguments with people about trans people using public restrooms and they all say the same thing: "I don't want some man/person with a penis in the same bathroom as my wife/daughter." They never say anything about transmen. It also kind of astounds me that they don't see the problem with their own statement. They pretty much condemn the entire male population and insinuate that men have zero self-control or that a penis (no matter who it's attached to) is just going to go out and molest/rape women and little girls at every available opportunity. We're not concerned with lesbians sharing public restrooms/locker rooms with other women. It's only when there's a perceived penis involved do people start to freak out. It makes it seem like they should just announce that ALL men/individuals with a penis are horrible and will try to rape you, especially when you're trying to pee.
They also seem to think that if transwomen are allowed to use the women's restroom that it somehow makes molesting/raping "okay." Last time I checked, that was still a crime no matter what kind of bill is introduced. It also perpetuates the completely ridiculous assumption that transwomen are "just men in dresses."
Everyone has to use the bathroom; it's a necessary bodily function. It doesn't need to be interfered with by politics and unfounded fears. If we're going to target anyone in bathrooms, target the dirty politicians (who happen to be cis men) who have been caught soliciting/having sex in public restrooms.
I think is because women are more sexualised, it doesn't matter if they're cis or trans. Also some people doesn't think trans women exist, like: 'trans women are just some form of perversion' or 'trans women and drag queens are the same thing' many people aren't educated enough about trans issues and trans people in general, but since trans women are so present in the media and so visible, they have it harder, and i think it's not fair.
In my mothers words: "Who will even enforce these kinds of laws, the potty police?"
I also feel it's aimed more at transwomen. I've seen so many 'comics' of a man in the womans room perving on the women in there with the caption of something like "don't worry, I'm a trans woman".
like wtf, no, that isnt even 1% accurate
I've been given the stare of death for going in the female loos and the men's now so I don't know where I'm supposed to go. Half the time I go in the disabled but I feel so bad for doing so.
the mtf version is in fact more trans-women-empowering (via sex, male gaze, and straight-cheating-threatening stuff, but empowering anyway i guess) while the ftm version plays on the same male-threatening-mysoginistic stuff. as if because we're men we're going to threaten the safety of cis women, when all we're gonna do if we happen to encounter them , is looking elsewhere while sneaking away, hoping they don't throw things at us or call security. it happened to me before i realized my passing as a male was good, and it was one of the most weird things that ever happened to me, hopefully i sneaked out quicky enough x')
well i totally went elsewhere but i meant i agree with you. i think we should try hitting empathy rather than fear. idk how to do that though. maybe we could send them pictures of kitties.
why does this happen in my state Dx
I've seen posts that are like, a picture of a trans man in a women's room and it's captioned something like "Do I look like I belong in here" but I haven't seen the ones preying on the fear women live with on the daily =/ That's troubling and definitely not okay. I've also seen it said that those images, whether it's a trans woman in a men's room or the other way around, are putting the focus on how you look being the dictating factor on which bathroom you should get to use, which isn't cool.
It's also been said that, in places where these bathroom bills are passed, cis men could just say they're trans to gain access to the women's room. Which is far more troubling, especially since, as you said, trans men become more or less indistinguishable from cis men once they've been on testosterone for a while.
And yes, I hate it, too, but it's a lot harder for trans women to appear cis than it is for trans men. (Not that all of them even want to appear cis.) Testosterone is a helluva drug. It changes us transmasculine folks into what we want to look like, but it's damn near impossible to reverse the effects it does to you if you're a trans women or trans femme. If I'm "passing" after less than a year on T, an AMAB person who's had years of accumulated testosterone-fueled changes happen to them will have a much harder time eliminating or downplaying those attributes. Life in general is a lot harder for trans women, some of whom will never be able to look cis unless they get expensive surgeries to change their literal bone structure.
These bills aren't about trans men or trans masculine people. I get the push to recognize that, hey, you're trying to keep "men" out of the ladies' room, but you're going to be PUTTING men in the ladies room by enforcing these laws. These lawmakers don't recognize that trans men exist, they are entirely focused on the ghastly image of a man in a dress coming to prey on their wives and children.
I was "ratted out" on being Transgender and using the male bathroom (where I felt most comfortable) because a kid at my school was paid to tell the principle if there was any Transgender people using the "wrong gender's" bathroom....
I do school online now.. Because I refuse to go to a school that does that... And it is sad because ALOT of the schools in the US are putting a sort of bounty on the heads of Transgender kids...
It's just not right...
The law was based around sex offenders, but sex offenders are already breaking the law! This law isn't going to stop people already doing something illegal from stoping. It is going to make trans people uncomfortable and have such bad dysphoria.
+James Siebels The unfortunate truth is the "sex offenders" angle is (in most cases) an excuse to demonise and discriminate against trans people. Just like most pro-lifers don't really want to bring abortion rates down (if they did, they would support comprehensive sex ed), but rather want to punish women for their sexuality (poor phrasing but my brain isn't doing words today). They also don't seem to care much about the life of the mother, or that of the child once it leaves the womb. Similar story here, the people making these laws don't care about the actual reality of sexual assault. They just don't want trans people's identities to be validated in any way.
Trans/non-binary people should definitely be able to use whichever bathroom they chose. I think the problem is for those with malicious intent seeing a child (of whichever gender) go into the bathroom alone & then following the child in order to harm them, in particular young girls and older men. Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm just playing devils advocate.
I don't know how it is where you live, but I live in southwest Virginia (close to North Carolina, bleh), and if a man came out of a women's bathroom the dudes that saw it would beat the shit out of him. I see your point, and it's still more dangerous for transwomen, but around here it's pretty dangerous for transmen too. Love you Chaseee. :D
You brought up a lot of really good points and ideas/perspectives i haven't considered or thought of. Yes, I agree about what you said about the media. It doesn't help as the picture may have a 2nd message that the poster is not aware of.Trans women are stigmatized more than trans men. I think thats maybe what you were trying to say. It may also be because people still use or rely on stereotypical traits of the gender binaries when seeing someone for the first time. I think you were hinting at this too. So when we see someone (especially trans women) breaking society's perception of what gender should look like, it is frowned upon. I don't know how to explain all of this either. There are definitely sociocultural factors. This law is really just causing more problems. The law assumes that everyone fits into only two categories, which is obviously not the case. People are diverse! This NC bathroom law does bring up additional important topics that aren't discussed much, which you have brought attention to.
Here's what I say to anyone saying they are worried for their kids don't let them go to the bathroom alone . I was told it's not their fault I have a mental health problem so why should they be at risk . I am a trans man and I am scared to use the men's room and women's because I am starting to look like a guy .
bro you were all over the place, you need to plan more what you wanna say, I got confused by the end of your video but I think I got what you wanna say. lol. don't trust language, it kills the author.
I have a learning disability that makes it very hard for me to gather my thoughts so I have to go through my process like this
+uppercaseCHASE1 im very very sorry to hear that!! I hope I didn't offend you. Please have a nice day :)
+uppercaseCHASE1 Lol same though. I have ADD and I barely even realized you were all over the place until it was pointed out. I guess your speaking my jumbled language xD p.s not making fun, laughing with you not at you (hopefully)..
I think that it's strange to insinuate that if a trans woman were forced to use the men's room, they would just flirt or worse, perform sexual favors. Considering the fetishism of trans women and the sex work many have to go into bc they can't find traditional employment due to transphobia.
But I do see your point about the counter argument meme helps to further the misconception that all trans people are pedophiles or sexual predators. I think those guys were just trying to point out the irony and the unintended results of the bill.
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