i basically do it the way your first method , i have been climbing for 45 years and i used a bowline on a bight for many years but when my ropes would get shorter i used a carabiner until one of my buddies got hurt years ago, i have been using a notch quickie on my shorter ropes and a pulley , sometimes i put a tag line on my quickie for retrieving only , i pretty much stick with an alpine butterfly now days just because it’s easier for me to one hand it or even just a fast and safe knot for a canopy anchor, it’s kept me safe so far 😊
Thank you for this video. I was out practicing today, and dropped some hardware that I was using for an anchor. I used one of your techniques to save my line tie in.
I am a total rookie and I am collecting basic gear and have started trimming etc. This was a godsent and clarified a lot of unknowns . I have watched several other video of yours and have subscribed . Thank you
That little giggle you did after you thought about "playing with the very end of my short rope" XDDDDD AB with a quickie is my go-to as well. I clip a 6mm haul/retrieval line to the butterfly. Great video! Thanks!
Instead of using a expensive connector/Krababiner i use a Maillon Rapide. They are cheep, £3 ($4/5), fully rated and marked as PPE, and are ok to load round a branch. Extremely common world of caving and industrial work at heights (in Europe), i use them all the time for rigging big caves.They are made in France by a company called Peguet.
@@Stridertrees Addition; the Petzl Go Steel Quick Link is just a re-branded Peguet Maillon 7mm. The Petzl supply chain means they are easier to find worldwide. However, Peguet do a wider range of sizes and shapes.
Thank you very much. That was very helpful. I’m just getting started with tree climbing and so I am trying to load up on wisdom. This video helps a lot
Many rigging jobs that I have watched that failed were for the reason that a clove was used. A daisy chain hitch is much more reliable for rigging & the Alpine Butterfly with a carabiner in the loop for in-line stuff.
Great video. Thanks for contributing to the SRT archives! I'm always stoked to see the versatility of the system and the ever growing tips/tricks. I have run aerial anchors, plenty of times, but continue to find that when I end up redirecting several times in big trees with co-dominant spready leads, after about 3 redirects aerial anchors have too much friction to retrieve. I therefore find myself relying on basal anchors. The first lesson I teach a groundie is stay the fk away from my anchor! I'd love to work a system that allows for lots of redirects. That and I hate having all that extra rope in my climbing end after pulling up the anchor. Thoughts? Ps. Ima start using that half hitch retrievable redirect.
one rule of thumb with running conduit for electrical wires is that you should not make over 360 degrees of bends. once you go over 360 degrees it makes it very hard to pull the wire through. i have also heard that when plumbing and using water you want to be mindful of how many bends and how tight they are. what i am getting at is that i try to get the 360 degree rule in the back of my head for redirects as well. if using natural crotch redirects i am also mindful of how tight the bend radius is and then type of bark(how rough it is). so if you had 3 redirects at 90 degrees each your looking at 270 degrees and if that doesnt include the original bend from the basel anchor you could easily bee looking at close or more than 360 degrees in bend radius. maybe this will help, either way be well and take care my friend. TREE LIFE 4 LIFE
Thanks for that great redirect tip. You have the clearest explanation of how to set it up that I've seen. It's worth mentioning that if you are going to ground from this redirect you need a tail 3 times the distance to ground. Don't ask how I figured that out! 🤔
I rock that redirect with a basal tie all the time, and your retrieval line is your basal tie. So you can put Five redirects in if you wanted and it pulls out easy no extra rooe
I like to get my throline in the tree, tie my rope on, pull the rope up just over the union i want and then use a bite from my rope to tie i guess a double running bowline around the throw line if thats the best way to explain it, then pull the throwline all the way through so my bowline is at the union and the tail end of my rope is touching the floor, that way i have the least amount of useless tail to work with and its midline attachable like the notch quickie anchor you showed there, personally i prefer base ties for access rather than canopy anchors and then ill set a canopy anchor higher up in the tree once i am already there
I usually use a alpine with a small pulley and a steel carabiner. Easy to retrieve even after few redirect. Only down side is the side load on the carabiner, that's why I use a steel one but I definitely control it often and change it as well. The quickie will be my next try 👍
The comment about a rescue climber climbing on the retrieval end is true to a point. Using the capstan law, arborist climbing rope and a smooth surface like a porty, a half turn on a porty will generate about a 2:1 friction multiplier. A rough barked tree like an oak will generate considerably more friction. That means that a 150 pound climber with a 2:1 friction advantage would support an almost 300 pound rescue climber. The danger comes with the rescue. Standard rescue instruction and qualification requires the climber to be transferred to the rescuer's system. That is a recipe for death. If some well trained rescuer like the fire department shows up, their training could be deadly. In short, the rescuer MUST transfer to the climbing system if they are to come down together. This gets rushed when things like chain saw accidents generate the probability of excessive blood loss. Generally, a rescue climber is the first choice only for an unresponsive or severely disabled climber.
This is a good point, it’s my understanding that fire training wouldn’t allow the rescuer to use the climbers rope at all, because of its potential to have been compromised. The reality is that rescue situations are very nuanced and any hard and fast rule is likely to cause trouble in some fringe cases.
Try combining the benefits of anchors 1&2 with the Quickie installed above the stopper knot. Use canopy anchor 1 with an alpine butterfly. Instead of the Quickie in the eye, connect it above the stopper knot. It retrieves like the soft 8, but midline attachable. Hope to see you at the next event.
i like to use eye n eyes that were too stiff for quick branch grabs and ties while i’m redirecting, i was upset when i got a 3 pack of 10mm eye n eye hitch cords and they were stiff as my notch tether lol i now use them for friction saving redirect tools lol
My go to for access is the quickie and butterfly but if Im going to need to advance my PSP I put a multisling on the rope above my wrench. Then when I get to my anchor I install the the multisling in a crotch with my rope running through it with the quickie and the alpine butterfly as a stopper not. From there it is incredibly easy to advance the system. And because the rope is not choked I can a lot more redirects like with a basal tie. Just need a retrieval ball to pull out the sling.
The primary concern with these canopy anchors is the ability to retrieve and redirect, right? If you’re just trying to get to a lower limb with the aim to advance higher, primarily on a conifer, could you use a running bowline and then untie once you reach the branch?
Just got my rope wrench today! Was playing around with using a ring & ring cambium saver with an alpine butterfly choker. Like the idea of the quickie but don't think it's approved to use in Ireland.
great videos very useful information thanks for making these! guessing your a lord of the rings fan as well, with the wite tree of Gondor on your helmet
what I demonstrated there is a way to redirect where my primary climb line is coming from so I can have a more advantageous angle for that safety line. that particular knot is one that can be removed as I demonstrated without having to climb back up to that point to untie it.
I use the quickie in spar removal, which is most of what I do Choked out In the sewn eye on the way up, and then in an alpine butterfly when I get to the top, when the branches are gone, so I can retrieve. Big trees, I will leave two branches and a line around the trunk and the 2 branches overnight, that I can then hoist up my climb line the next day. Quickie and butterfly can be installed from the ground on a spar with some effort and creativity
Main issue would be your weight and tension coming in and out of the line, people use this with multiple half hitches to feel more secure , not seen and test with slack and drop tests of this redirect yet..
Nice! I used the last method quite a few times but a little different. So I made an alpine butterfly in the retrievel line with the ring tied into it :) you simply have to tie the knot in a way the ring ends up in middle loop.
Great video, buddy. Would you happen to know any arborist who works in Portugal? I happen to be here, I'm from Brasil and gotta get in touch with our tribe.. Thanks
I used delta links for a long time and only recently switched to the quickie. Looking forward to trying out the pinto pulley. One of my buddies will use a pulley to create a 3:1 for retrieval, but I haven't adopted that style yet.
Honestly I rarely move my initial canopy anchor. I either set it where I want it from the ground with a big shot or I climb MRS until I get to the TIP I want and set it then. Occasionally I will use a redirect, but even that is usually the simple retrievable one with no hardware I demonstrated at the end of the best canopy anchor video
i like to use a basal anchor so i dont have to isolate the line. why do you like canopy more? how do you workaround that? great vid, subscribed.. keep them coming..
If you use a carabiner and run the other end through to choke around a branch it ends up side loading the carabiner around the branch. To load it in that manner greatly reduces the MBS of the Carabiner and could result in premature failure.
@@UltimateMMAFan83 Yep. It puts forces on the side of the carabiner as if trying to bend it in half. They are weak in that direction. You never want side loading.
@@deluth4638 awesome. Thank you for pointing it out. But those little quickies are much more dense because they are smaller. I figured they would sideload also right?
@@UltimateMMAFan83 Yep. However, unlike carabiners, the quickie is rated for side loading. It doesn't really side load as much as just presses into the side. I'm not explaining this well. It's not really side loaded with a quickie, though.
I want 1 of those soft figure 8s. Made from the reppel rings. That looks awsome. I dont know if i coukd make 1. How did you make it? Ive been trying to look for 1 to buy but i cant find 1 yet. But i use the quickie or delta link. Idk which can handle more cross loading. But i feel a little safer with a delta.
@@Stridertrees alright man thanks. Exactly what im looking for. Im just starting srt. My boss is so old school. Im liking it i have the wrope wrench 2. But ill still be doing ddrt sometimes. Gotta make my money back for the spiderjack 3 i just got.
The figure 8 was brought to the market thru Wespur having been taken from the inventor who eventually got it to market through Buckingham. It's balled the Buck SLAP. (stationary line anchor point) the inventor works for NATS.
I'm just getting into tree climbing coming from a rock climbing back ground. Is it really that big a deal to have the biner side loaded when the branch is creating so much friction?
I was thinking the same thing. These are static ropes, and the user might be supporting more than just themselves with the link. Using a ‘biner in this situation might kink and lock it. But that would just mean one needs to pull all the rope through, so NBD. IDK. Cool technique overall though!
Hey I'm digging the harness. I love the gear hooks and adjustments it has. When I first got it I thought it wouldn't be comfortable but I was so wrong. I have been climbing on the tmotion but I like the tree rex as much. Low D's are smaller though
I don’t like to advertise my homemade stuff much as it’s risky, and I’d rather not encourage someone else to use an unproven method I’ve chosen for something their life depends on, sorry!!
Why not quick link? Main rope with figure 8 at the end. 10mm heavy quick link and with an accessory line (often just a paracord) and carabineer used for retrieval only clipped into figure 8. This set up allows use of full length of your main rope and still makes it possible to undo (quick link) whole system once up in the tree. This is budget option used purely for hobby. Otherwise an accessory loop with carabineers would be used to allow advancement up in the tree.
If you back it up properly (Yosemite or otherwise) I don’t like to use stopper knots because a bowline only comes undone when it’s loose in which case a stopper might not help. you can choke off a running bowline, and if you’re going to go all the way up to the TIP and move it around, but I usually leave my initial TIP and just redirect around the tree. All three of these methods are retrievable from the ground.
IMO, I don't want to climb on a knot that needs another knot for backup. We all have to make our own risk assessment, though. Lots of folks climb on a bowline w/yosemite.
Well a bowline drops the rope capacity 25%. Alpine butterfly is max 5% lose. I've never seen a bowline come untied tho when loaded. Osha isn't a fan of it for rope access work. KISS is best.
@@davidmoore8741 Hi, I am beginning on tree climbing (recreational), I would like to know if there is any reliable list of the percentage of loss of initial rope strength for popular knots. Thank you
@@stelioscdn I would have to dig up my rigging books and look for the info. But the best theroy to go by is 25% which is almost all the standard knots. Figure 8/trace 8 is 0-5% same with alpine butterfly. I know there's a couple knots that deplete the rope strenght up to 50% but it's been forever since I had to test on that info let alone look at it. It really only comes into play if ur shock loading a rope, and for every foot of freefall it adds a certain percentage to the load. I will have to get back to ya on that tho. I would believe the info is online. My 1/2" life line is rated for 9900lb (mbs 28000lb)and can support 2 ppl(SRT) in a rescue situation when used in certain rescue setups configurations (osha/nfpa)
another thing i forgot to mention and from experience i’ve argued with more than one person about the physics of using a basal anchor that instead of decreasing the friction weight it actually almost doubles the weight and it has been proven many times by T. C. I. and more , when we are wanting to reduce our canopy weight, by using a friction ring and a canopy anchor it reduces the direct weight to the canopy by half , it’s hard to explain the physics to some fellas but if you weight 200 pounds, and you have a base anchor set its holding your weight and the weight is redistributed back from the base to the canopy and instead of having 200lbs to the canopy you have nearly 400lbs at the canopy and in tree work you really don’t want that weight especially if it’s a sketchy job
i like to just attatc the lode end to a gri gri on the root then i can be rescuec, its easy the rope is not in the way (aggenst the trunk) and it is easy to pull the right amount of rope troug
i base tye for acent then i canopy tye i use bowlin backed up with a figure 8 stoper knot then i clip another rope to it or just go back up to my tye in and switch to drt lots of different way i guess my way is kinda caveman lol
quickie not rated/approved in the UK .......yet? but isnt the second gen one cast as opposed to forged? cheaper to make and probably not as strong...head to head destruction pull test anybody ...old quickie versus new one.
It's tested and proven, but doesn't have a CE stamp. It's a whole other expensive process, that hasn't played out to be worth it yet, but may possibly be in the future.
The rings that open can only be loaded vertically in opposing directions if I'm not mistaken , it is not meant to be side loaded, it's a side load rating of 1 kn If I remember. It's been a few years since I've had one
That last technique that you use for redirects was sooooo slick!!! Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
i basically do it the way your first method , i have been climbing for 45 years and i used a bowline on a bight for many years but when my ropes would get shorter i used a carabiner until one of my buddies got hurt years ago, i have been using a notch quickie on my shorter ropes and a pulley , sometimes i put a tag line on my quickie for retrieving only , i pretty much stick with an alpine butterfly now days just because it’s easier for me to one hand it or even just a fast and safe knot for a canopy anchor, it’s kept me safe so far 😊
the retrieval redirect that was awesome now I'm going to go practice it
Glad you found the information useful !
8:00 Put that ring in the bight of the alpine butterfly, feed rope through it. No rope on rope, Slides easy and retrieve easy. 👍🏽
Thank you for this video. I was out practicing today, and dropped some hardware that I was using for an anchor. I used one of your techniques to save my line tie in.
You’re videos don’t match your sub count. Great content, very informative for all skill levels.
Agreed,he explains things very well
Yeah, very clear and concise
I am a total rookie and I am collecting basic gear and have started trimming etc. This was a godsent and clarified a lot of unknowns . I have watched several other video of yours and have subscribed . Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Your videos are most helpful! You are a great teacher. I appreciate you and thank you!
You are so welcome!
That little giggle you did after you thought about "playing with the very end of my short rope" XDDDDD
AB with a quickie is my go-to as well. I clip a 6mm haul/retrieval line to the butterfly.
Great video! Thanks!
This is great! I got 100' of 6mm in a "grab bag" and was wondering what to do with it. Now I know! 👍
Instead of using a expensive connector/Krababiner i use a Maillon Rapide. They are cheep, £3 ($4/5), fully rated and marked as PPE, and are ok to load round a branch. Extremely common world of caving and industrial work at heights (in Europe), i use them all the time for rigging big caves.They are made in France by a company called Peguet.
Cool! I’ll look into that
@@Stridertrees Addition; the Petzl Go Steel Quick Link is just a re-branded Peguet Maillon 7mm. The Petzl supply chain means they are easier to find worldwide. However, Peguet do a wider range of sizes and shapes.
Great video! You should show that retrievable redirect knot again in hands clear slow motion. What a brilliant trick.
Thank you very much. That was very helpful. I’m just getting started with tree climbing and so I am trying to load up on wisdom. This video helps a lot
Never seen that retrievable redirect before. I will be using that. Great video.
If you put the quickie in a clove hitch instead of a butterfly it reduces the chance of the slic pin being pushed against the stem
Butterfly is better
Many rigging jobs that I have watched that failed were for the reason that a clove was used. A daisy chain hitch is much more reliable for rigging & the Alpine Butterfly with a carabiner in the loop for in-line stuff.
Great video. Thanks for contributing to the SRT archives! I'm always stoked to see the versatility of the system and the ever growing tips/tricks.
I have run aerial anchors, plenty of times, but continue to find that when I end up redirecting several times in big trees with co-dominant spready leads, after about 3 redirects aerial anchors have too much friction to retrieve. I therefore find myself relying on basal anchors. The first lesson I teach a groundie is stay the fk away from my anchor! I'd love to work a system that allows for lots of redirects. That and I hate having all that extra rope in my climbing end after pulling up the anchor. Thoughts?
Ps. Ima start using that half hitch retrievable redirect.
one rule of thumb with running conduit for electrical wires is that you should not make over 360 degrees of bends. once you go over 360 degrees it makes it very hard to pull the wire through. i have also heard that when plumbing and using water you want to be mindful of how many bends and how tight they are.
what i am getting at is that i try to get the 360 degree rule in the back of my head for redirects as well. if using natural crotch redirects i am also mindful of how tight the bend radius is and then type of bark(how rough it is).
so if you had 3 redirects at 90 degrees each your looking at 270 degrees and if that doesnt include the original bend from the basel anchor you could easily bee looking at close or more than 360 degrees in bend radius.
maybe this will help, either way be well and take care my friend. TREE LIFE 4 LIFE
Thanks for that great redirect tip. You have the clearest explanation of how to set it up that I've seen. It's worth mentioning that if you are going to ground from this redirect you need a tail 3 times the distance to ground. Don't ask how I figured that out! 🤔
I rock that redirect with a basal tie all the time, and your retrieval line is your basal tie. So you can put Five redirects in if you wanted and it pulls out easy no extra rooe
Awesome video keep them coming I’m a beginner and this came at a perfect time for me tyvm it helped me out a lot.
Awesome video! Great tips and great explanation on the different strategies.
I like to get my throline in the tree, tie my rope on, pull the rope up just over the union i want and then use a bite from my rope to tie i guess a double running bowline around the throw line if thats the best way to explain it, then pull the throwline all the way through so my bowline is at the union and the tail end of my rope is touching the floor, that way i have the least amount of useless tail to work with and its midline attachable like the notch quickie anchor you showed there, personally i prefer base ties for access rather than canopy anchors and then ill set a canopy anchor higher up in the tree once i am already there
notch quickie, all day, everyday.
Redirect tip is really game changer! Very cool!
I usually use a alpine with a small pulley and a steel carabiner. Easy to retrieve even after few redirect. Only down side is the side load on the carabiner, that's why I use a steel one but I definitely control it often and change it as well. The quickie will be my next try 👍
I like your training because every thing is explained and easy to understand. Thank You
The comment about a rescue climber climbing on the retrieval end is true to a point. Using the capstan law, arborist climbing rope and a smooth surface like a porty, a half turn on a porty will generate about a 2:1 friction multiplier. A rough barked tree like an oak will generate considerably more friction. That means that a 150 pound climber with a 2:1 friction advantage would support an almost 300 pound rescue climber. The danger comes with the rescue. Standard rescue instruction and qualification requires the climber to be transferred to the rescuer's system. That is a recipe for death. If some well trained rescuer like the fire department shows up, their training could be deadly. In short, the rescuer MUST transfer to the climbing system if they are to come down together. This gets rushed when things like chain saw accidents generate the probability of excessive blood loss. Generally, a rescue climber is the first choice only for an unresponsive or severely disabled climber.
This is a good point, it’s my understanding that fire training wouldn’t allow the rescuer to use the climbers rope at all, because of its potential to have been compromised. The reality is that rescue situations are very nuanced and any hard and fast rule is likely to cause trouble in some fringe cases.
Try combining the benefits of anchors 1&2 with the Quickie installed above the stopper knot. Use canopy anchor 1 with an alpine butterfly. Instead of the Quickie in the eye, connect it above the stopper knot. It retrieves like the soft 8, but midline attachable. Hope to see you at the next event.
Can you post the link to the person from Arbor West mentioned at minute 7:30 in this video - thanks :)
i like that retrievable re-direct
i like to use eye n eyes that were too stiff for quick branch grabs and ties while i’m redirecting, i was upset when i got a 3 pack of 10mm eye n eye hitch cords and they were stiff as my notch tether lol i now use them for friction saving redirect tools lol
I didn't know that protos helmets had a stormtrooper model!;) Thanksnfor the video mate!
Awesome video fairly new to SRT so this has been extremely helpful
Great videos, thanks. Quick question, is there any trade-off to having the pulley side rope in the middle of the Caribbean for extra insurance?
My go to for access is the quickie and butterfly but if Im going to need to advance my PSP I put a multisling on the rope above my wrench. Then when I get to my anchor I install the the multisling in a crotch with my rope running through it with the quickie and the alpine butterfly as a stopper not. From there it is incredibly easy to advance the system. And because the rope is not choked I can a lot more redirects like with a basal tie. Just need a retrieval ball to pull out the sling.
Cheers for another great video. Why don’t you like to install pinto and carabiner on butterfly from the ground? Thanks in advance
Perfekt just what I was looking for ❤❤❤
Thanks for showing the technique.
Excellent demo and teaching. Thank you.
The primary concern with these canopy anchors is the ability to retrieve and redirect, right? If you’re just trying to get to a lower limb with the aim to advance higher, primarily on a conifer, could you use a running bowline and then untie once you reach the branch?
You are an awesome teacher!
Thank you!
Love your videos bro. Thank you. Oh...and you got another subscriber.
I love the redirect retrievable
Just got my rope wrench today! Was playing around with using a ring & ring cambium saver with an alpine butterfly choker. Like the idea of the quickie but don't think it's approved to use in Ireland.
great videos very useful information thanks for making these! guessing your a lord of the rings fan as well, with the wite tree of Gondor on your helmet
You bet! Thats where the name comes from too :)
That was super cool video. Thank you very much.
At 11:08, what would be the benefit of using your climbing line and doing the half hitches? (When you were talking about a redirect)
what I demonstrated there is a way to redirect where my primary climb line is coming from so I can have a more advantageous angle for that safety line. that particular knot is one that can be removed as I demonstrated without having to climb back up to that point to untie it.
I need to buy one of the quickies. I've seen ppl use them all the time I've just never gotten around to getting one.
I think Tree Stuff has quickies' in stock.
Excellent video! Thank you for sharing all this!
Love the retrievable redirect w the carabiner!!!
I use the quickie in spar removal, which is most of what I do
Choked out In the sewn eye on the way up, and then in an alpine butterfly when I get to the top, when the branches are gone, so I can retrieve.
Big trees, I will leave two branches and a line around the trunk and the 2 branches overnight, that I can then hoist up my climb line the next day.
Quickie and butterfly can be installed from the ground on a spar with some effort and creativity
excellent video, btw,
thanks!
Thank you! These videos are very helpful!
Awesome video I learned a couple things and thats always a thumbs up
Great video. Very informative (as always). Thank you kind sir!
Wow great video sir thanks for your time and expertise!!🙏🏻
Great informative video !!
That quickly in the tank business is known as a clevis , very handy
That redirect you showed have you had it fail yet what do you think the odds are of it failing
Main issue would be your weight and tension coming in and out of the line, people use this with multiple half hitches to feel more secure , not seen and test with slack and drop tests of this redirect yet..
Nice! I used the last method quite a few times but a little different. So I made an alpine butterfly in the retrievel line with the ring tied into it :) you simply have to tie the knot in a way the ring ends up in middle loop.
Great video, buddy.
Would you happen to know any arborist who works in Portugal? I happen to be here, I'm from Brasil and gotta get in touch with our tribe.. Thanks
Hello! Great video. For the last canopy anchor, could you just put a carabiner (pear shape) to block against the ring? Thanks!
Bro you make really excellent videos. Thank you.
Glad you like them! thanks :)
I used delta links for a long time and only recently switched to the quickie. Looking forward to trying out the pinto pulley. One of my buddies will use a pulley to create a 3:1 for retrieval, but I haven't adopted that style yet.
Can you do a video of you actually moving the canopy anchor from one point to another while in the tree?
Honestly I rarely move my initial canopy anchor. I either set it where I want it from the ground with a big shot or I climb MRS until I get to the TIP I want and set it then. Occasionally I will use a redirect, but even that is usually the simple retrievable one with no hardware I demonstrated at the end of the best canopy anchor video
@@Stridertrees thanks!
Thanks 😉👍
i like to use a basal anchor so i dont have to isolate the line. why do you like canopy more? how do you workaround that? great vid, subscribed.. keep them coming..
Could you pls tell me what kind of helmet and where you got it? Thank you so much. Tony.
At 3:29 you said you cant use a carabiner. Why not since it just slides through it the same as the quickie
If you use a carabiner and run the other end through to choke around a branch it ends up side loading the carabiner around the branch. To load it in that manner greatly reduces the MBS of the Carabiner and could result in premature failure.
@@Stridertrees when you say "side loading", do you mean the biner sits on the side of the branch or what
@@UltimateMMAFan83 Yep. It puts forces on the side of the carabiner as if trying to bend it in half. They are weak in that direction. You never want side loading.
@@deluth4638 awesome. Thank you for pointing it out. But those little quickies are much more dense because they are smaller. I figured they would sideload also right?
@@UltimateMMAFan83 Yep. However, unlike carabiners, the quickie is rated for side loading. It doesn't really side load as much as just presses into the side. I'm not explaining this well. It's not really side loaded with a quickie, though.
Obrigado pela informação amigo, mais um inscrito
Nice video mate. Where did you get that hoodie from? 🤓
Would it be the tighter the sarf the quick release
The quickie is strong 💪 singing tree version broke at 10.500 pounds on August hunike channel.
Don't you need 3x amount of rope for it to be retrievable?
could you use the quickie to connect the pinto pulley?
Very professional
Thanks for the detailed explanation!
What brand is those bright long sleeve shirts/ thin hoodies I see you wear?
Just upgraded to protos helmet. Why don’t you return the ear muffs back into its place? Just for curiosity
You a proponent of that werk hoodie?
Yes 👍🏼 love them!
I want 1 of those soft figure 8s. Made from the reppel rings. That looks awsome. I dont know if i coukd make 1. How did you make it? Ive been trying to look for 1 to buy but i cant find 1 yet. But i use the quickie or delta link. Idk which can handle more cross loading. But i feel a little safer with a delta.
buckinghammfg.com/products/the-buckslap-3913/. Here is the commercially available product I’m aware of it’s called the buckslap
@@Stridertrees alright man thanks. Exactly what im looking for. Im just starting srt. My boss is so old school. Im liking it i have the wrope wrench 2. But ill still be doing ddrt sometimes. Gotta make my money back for the spiderjack 3 i just got.
Loving the lid!
Great stuff!!
I use a giant anchor shackle instead of a quickie because I don't climb much and I'm cheap
The figure 8 was brought to the market thru Wespur having been taken from the inventor who eventually got it to market through Buckingham. It's balled the Buck SLAP. (stationary line anchor point) the inventor works for NATS.
Thank you!! Yes I’ve seen that I’ll have to add a link in the description
I'm just getting into tree climbing coming from a rock climbing back ground. Is it really that big a deal to have the biner side loaded when the branch is creating so much friction?
I was thinking the same thing. These are static ropes, and the user might be supporting more than just themselves with the link.
Using a ‘biner in this situation might kink and lock it. But that would just mean one needs to pull all the rope through, so NBD.
IDK. Cool technique overall though!
Hey can you do a review on the new tree Rex harness pls?
If I can get ahold of one for a couple weeks I’d love to. It would be interesting to compare it to the treemotion and monkey beaver saddles
Strider TreeGear thanks heaps man! Thanks for replying too ✊🏼
Hey I'm digging the harness. I love the gear hooks and adjustments it has. When I first got it I thought it wouldn't be comfortable but I was so wrong. I have been climbing on the tmotion but I like the tree rex as much. Low D's are smaller though
Can u do a vid on how to make the soft 8
I don’t like to advertise my homemade stuff much as it’s risky, and I’d rather not encourage someone else to use an unproven method I’ve chosen for something their life depends on, sorry!!
Quickie here
Why not quick link?
Main rope with figure 8 at the end. 10mm heavy quick link and with an accessory line (often just a paracord) and carabineer used for retrieval only clipped into figure 8.
This set up allows use of full length of your main rope and still makes it possible to undo (quick link) whole system once up in the tree.
This is budget option used purely for hobby.
Otherwise an accessory loop with carabineers would be used to allow advancement up in the tree.
What do you think of just a simple running bowline with a figure eight stopper knot, especially for advancing the tie in point?
If you back it up properly (Yosemite or otherwise) I don’t like to use stopper knots because a bowline only comes undone when it’s loose in which case a stopper might not help. you can choke off a running bowline, and if you’re going to go all the way up to the TIP and move it around, but I usually leave my initial TIP and just redirect around the tree. All three of these methods are retrievable from the ground.
IMO, I don't want to climb on a knot that needs another knot for backup. We all have to make our own risk assessment, though. Lots of folks climb on a bowline w/yosemite.
Well a bowline drops the rope capacity 25%. Alpine butterfly is max 5% lose. I've never seen a bowline come untied tho when loaded. Osha isn't a fan of it for rope access work. KISS is best.
@@davidmoore8741 Hi, I am beginning on tree climbing (recreational), I would like to know if there is any reliable list of the percentage of loss of initial rope
strength for popular knots. Thank you
@@stelioscdn I would have to dig up my rigging books and look for the info. But the best theroy to go by is 25% which is almost all the standard knots. Figure 8/trace 8 is 0-5% same with alpine butterfly. I know there's a couple knots that deplete the rope strenght up to 50% but it's been forever since I had to test on that info let alone look at it. It really only comes into play if ur shock loading a rope, and for every foot of freefall it adds a certain percentage to the load. I will have to get back to ya on that tho. I would believe the info is online. My 1/2" life line is rated for 9900lb (mbs 28000lb)and can support 2 ppl(SRT) in a rescue situation when used in certain rescue setups configurations (osha/nfpa)
I do not climb, but the video was very nice :)
What's the name of this rope? Thanks
great video
another thing i forgot to mention and from experience i’ve argued with more than one person about the physics of using a basal anchor that instead of decreasing the friction weight it actually almost doubles the weight and it has been proven many times by T. C. I. and more , when we are wanting to reduce our canopy weight, by using a friction ring and a canopy anchor it reduces the direct weight to the canopy by half , it’s hard to explain the physics to some fellas but if you weight 200 pounds, and you have a base anchor set its holding your weight and the weight is redistributed back from the base to the canopy and instead of having 200lbs to the canopy you have nearly 400lbs at the canopy and in tree work you really don’t want that weight especially if it’s a sketchy job
i like to just attatc the lode end to a gri gri on the root then i can be rescuec, its easy the rope is not in the way (aggenst the trunk) and it is easy to pull the right amount of rope troug
🎉Thank you
You seem like a ropework genius.
i base tye for acent then i canopy tye i use bowlin backed up with a figure 8 stoper knot then i clip another rope to it or just go back up to my tye in and switch to drt lots of different way i guess my way is kinda caveman lol
Thanks
quickie not rated/approved in the UK .......yet? but isnt the second gen one cast as opposed to forged? cheaper to make and probably not as strong...head to head destruction pull test anybody ...old quickie versus new one.
Good questions I wish I had access to a testing bench
It's tested and proven, but doesn't have a CE stamp. It's a whole other expensive process, that hasn't played out to be worth it yet, but may possibly be in the future.
Thanx bro!
nice sharing
excellent ..
That figure eight with the two rings why wouldn’t you use a ring that opens for one of them I think petzl makes that ring that opens.
The rings that open can only be loaded vertically in opposing directions if I'm not mistaken , it is not meant to be side loaded, it's a side load rating of 1 kn If I remember. It's been a few years since I've had one
It’s also really difficult to open and close (requiring a separate tool) so it’s just easier and cheaper to use a standard ring.
The choking method with a "shift eight" is called a Flint-locker, after Flint Anderson, who developed it.
very usefull!