User If you’ve gotten far enough, after Markus was about to leave Carl’s grave, his son comes next to visit his Dad, in which that made me feel bad because he probably regrets not listening to his dad in which he blamed Markus for Carl’s death and how he lost his father because of himself. He would go to his dad’s grave and would probably apologize and saying to his dad how much he regrets the decisions he made that led to that point. Leo doesn’t seem as bad as a person as you think he is, and that’s what made me think about how Leo is feeling inside.
So Connor has immortality and sick coin skills, Markus has leadership and all that revolution thing and Kara has the most powerful power anyone can ever have. Talk no jutsu
Or heart.. Kara has heart. Connor has logic. Markus has morality Kara has empathy. These three all embody what it means to be human. To be smart, to stand by what you believe in, and to connect to those in need.
There's something pleasant in the fact that the game developers remembered that even the abusive are human beings as well, and that something made them the way they are. Not saying Todd's actions are justified, but it's nice to know that they keep in mind he's still a person, not just some plot device.
Have you at all watched at least some relevant bits and pieces of the game? The whole point is that the Androids weren't made with things like complex emotions and what not, but over time developed them. That's how Deviants are made in the first place. Also, when you look at a man buying replacements for his family out of a desperate sense of trying to uphold a fragile belief that all the bad things said about him are wrong, only to further spiral down in misery and depression in which you take out on others through domestic violence... You call those respectable qualities. I call those emotional and mental problems. I can almost hear the wind passing through one ear out the other
You know, Quantic Dream games tend to be fraught with clichés and predictable characters, but this has got to be one of the best character development I've ever seen in a game. It's not black & white at all - Todd's behaviour is not fully vindicated, but giving redeemable qualities to this type of a character is rarely if ever seen in the video game industry. It truly caught me by surprise.
Tekken Centre You gotta say: David Cage outdid himself with this game. Connor, Todd, Hank, Markus - all of them has some really good character development.
@@trollzland1337 The fuck you on about, the OP was simply acknowledging the fact that the game is amazing, no one needs a goddamn essay on mental problems and emotions, you must be from Quora.
I've never felt so sad for a bad person like that before. Maybe it's because Todd was never a bad person, only a broken one. Todd is a nice man turned dark because of stress. When I thought he was just a stuck up and abusive person, this scene proves that he isn't and that he just wants to have his real family back. Really sad.
NormalPerson His redemption scene is explaining why he became a bad person, hugging the robot he abused, and then leaving her to the firing squad. Oh yeah, great character, such A+ writing.
Add in the fact that the whole of society doesn't view androids as being sapient, in his mind he was just throwing his toys around. Remember, the big lie in this world is that androids cannot feel emotion at all, they simply mimic it in the same way that a video game mimics emotion. He didn't think he was hurting them any more than we think we're hurting video game characters when we punch and kick them in games.
1:16 This reminded me of my dad. I cried so hard. I knew Todd wasn't really a monster. I saw the anti-depressants upstairs, next to his gun, like he wanted to kill himself. I saw his reaction when he first picked up and shook Alice, when he was screaming at her, but when he saw her tears, he immediately regretted it, he said "What am I doing? I'm sorry, honey. I'm so sorry." He was just a very sad, lonely man with a broken soul who lost his real family, so he tried to start over, and bought an artificial one. Todd felt like a real person to me. Not some stupid abusive archetype like I thought he would be. But his drug addiction took over, he always in pain, couldn't get a decent job, due to the economy and Androids taking over, so he took it out on them. But he _was_ sorry. 2:31 The way he wept while holding Alice... This scene really broke my heart. To me, it was one of the most powerful emotional parts of the game that really hit close to home with me on a personal level.
So sad. A lot of us had abusive parents, and so few video games have the balls to press on the subject. Those scenes were very hard to watch, but I applaud them for doing it, but keeping Todd’s character sympathetic and a human being one can identify with. My dad also did drugs and drank most of my life, but he got clean many years later. But then cancer claimed him and he died at 61. Sometimes people can change. 💐 Unfortunately, they sometimes run out of time. But at least we were friends just before he died. I’m grateful for that, at least. Always count your blessings. My heart goes out to you guys.
Not really a dilemma, what kind of person would send her little girl to another country all by herself at the start of a possible war? Might as well throw her off a cliff
One that would want to get her as far away from the war as possible. No matter the cost. Given her position as an unaccompanied minor fleeing a warzone she'd be categorized as a child refugee. This was very common especially during WWII
I thought killing Todd was the correct Choice being that he was way too violent but I understand know why he was so violent because he knew she was an android the whole time and was unable to fill the hole in heart
No, lol. Would you even go violent even though the thing isn't your real daughter? Let's get this straight. If you play or watch the game from the beginning, you'll know why the humans become more violent and aggressive towards androids. It's because their lives have been taken away. Thus, Todd lost his job. Like in the reality, when we just get stress or depressed, we fill the void inside of us with something. For Todd, it's drugs. Like everyone knows, drugs can do things to you. So from my opinion, he's just stress out knowing that his job got taken away and barely afford the family.
But all of it (even the drugs) was because of his daughter. As he said she (the android) couldnt fill the hole in his heart. I understand his motives, I mean he thought about them just as machines so he thought it was okay to relieve his anger on them.
I was surprised as to how Todd was alive until I realized there was another ending to the whole getting away with Alice thing which involves not killing Todd and I like dis
I truly feel sympathetic to those who go through things the way alice went through. This game put me front in center on how to deal with domestic violence. Giving so many options on what I could have done differently. I cried. I love this game.
this game really touches on a lot of sensitive topics in an indirect way; domestic abuse, segregation, illegal immigration, slavery.. it’s like it’s a reflection of the problems people faced/still face
deluxeonly Hm, there's no legal slavery in the world (apart from saudi arabia and some others very unstable middle east countries) and while theres certainly human tradfficking that remain a problem, slavery is something that has almost completely dissapeared in developped countries
Aaron Alsept Actually violence against inanimate object exist (the term for it is tantrum), so violence against a seemingly sentient and sapient humanoid robot seems to exist too
I think it says more about his relationship with his wife and daughter that a woman and child running from him with only the clothes on their back reminded him of them smh
It's part of her technology! I talked to her at some point and she said she was cold, then Kara turned off the engine that made her feel the heat and the cold
Lol ok. It's easy to get fooled by pretty graphics, good voice acting, and tear-jerking music but the writing in this game is awful. The world presented simply could not exist. There are millions of plotholes like Androids not having a failswitch, androids not immediately being rounded up as soon as one kills a human, Cyberlife being allowed to continue operating, absolutely every human in the world being a massive fucking cunt who beats on their $8,000 luxury good, etc. Oh and Alice being an android which is the shittiest plot-twist ever and makes absolutely no sense.
The world of pretty much every video game ever made could not exist. The world of pretty much every movie, book, tv show ever made could not exist. So what? It's fiction. Whoopty doo, you found the fatal flaw with D:BH! It's a story that can't possibly happen!
This is what I love about this game. If you let peace, love, and forgiveness lead all your decisions, while it may not seem like the easy or right choice at many times... In the end, these choices result in less people dying, less heartbreak, and more happy endings than if you choose a violent and vengeful path. Truly an inspiring game and a work of art.
The only exception would probably be pushing Leo at the beginning. Markus standing up for himself definitely hurt Carl's feelings, but Leo survives and Markus gets some dignity out of it. Nonetheless, you're 100% correct here. I couldn't help but notice that the hardest decisions usually got the best result.
@@shade9105 Alice lives in fear of him, and at no point does he seem to care how she's feeling. Even when he breaks down and cries, he just talks about himself, how he's a bad father. Not about what it does to Alice. If you don't stop him, he kills her. Even when you see him again at the bus stop, his first impulse is to call for the guards. If he truly loved Alice, wouldn't he have at least tried to talk to her? It does redeem him a bit in my eyes that you can convince him not to turn you in, but one good moment doesn't excuse a life of abuse.
@@HTFFanOfFlaky He let them go and you still treat him like an asshole? I never thought I would defend a fictional being from a real monster, but he seems better than you so far
I always thought something was a bit off... Todd had antidepressants in his room and a gun. Planning possible suicide after the loss of his family? Also Alice never ate. No child would miss out on cookies and sweets. Turns out he was just a sad, depressed, lonely guy, trying to fill a void in his heart by buying two androids to at least pretend to have family... Occasionally lashing out, because of deep self hate, desperation and regret. I feel bad for the poor bastard. I was genuinely thinking of shooting him in my playthrough... Glad I didn't.
boo fucking hoo. he CHOSE to scare off his family. and i've never NOT had depression, and i never killed anyone. ironically, not killing anyone is why i'm stuck in alice's situation.
For some time I even thought that Todd might also be an android because of his presence on that bus stop fleeing to Canada for no reason (other than being an android himself.) But that would make absolutely no sense because hmm.... he would be more busy with robotic problems like the riots and stuff, and less engaged in family stuff, plus the drugs he is using (cocaine) plus the antidepressants would have zero effect if Todd would be an android. Plus he would not eat, but the whole house is full with dirty dishes and empty pizza boxes. But I still think it might be possible, because Alice was faking feeling cold outside and hunger and sleeping the whole time, so Todd could fake taking cocaine in front of his TV and being angry about his situation.......
Migs Villanueva It actually matters when you realize Alice is Todd's replacement to his original Alice daughter. It isnt really healthy for someone to fill that hole in their heart through denial. Denying that his daughter is gone.
Joker In the funhouse he might be the same character model from beyond two souls as that's the same developer, looking like the character from Until Dawn purely coincedental
Actually, the actor who plays Todd is Dominic Gould, and the actor who plays "The Stranger/Flamethower Guy" in Until Dawn is Larry Fessenden (actor and film director, he's VERY talented). 2 totally different people. But there's a few cameos in this game from previous actors from the other games! Until Dawn is not a David Cage game, surprisingly. But it's another fav of mine. :D
For me hitting android is the same as hitting a living person! I cannot get why people even try to excuse this filthy scumbag!! Kara and Alice were persons too!! And he brutally killed Kara before and was going to do the same with Alice.. What person would do so? Many people are sad and don't even hurt anyone, so I give a shit on Todd's sick emotions and remember what he did to Kara and Alice and probably he was violent for his wife cause apparently his wife was afraid of him!
Well i think he got pissed at androids for one reason Here is my theory Todd had a job a family,and all that stuff but once androids came out he lost his job because of them,and his wife left him because of him being poor and thats why he became depressed, and eventually started taking drugs
@@HTFFanOfFlaky Lol you again, one would think that real life Todd came and kicked your ass sometime Take care though, I hope whoever hurt you gets what he/she/they deserve
As a father that has been dealing with spiraling depression...I get it. It doesn't make Todd's actions justified in any way shape or form. But Todd has experienced tragedy and loss due to his own actions. That's the worst because you only have yourself to blame. And most people can't handle that. They need to point the finger, because the alternative is unbearable. Never thought I'd sympathize with Todd. He disgusts me - and for good reason. But he's human. Flawed. Capable of both good and evil. Vindication and self destruction. And when people like Todd show these morsels of humanity, kindness, honesty, you validate them for that. Because they probably need it more than you know. There are few things more powerful than forgiveness.
as a son who has never NOT had depression and who never did what todd did, and who has parents who both did what todd did, i still know that sparing todd is the most evil choice in the game
@@shade9105 I can't really blame Alexander. When people are conflicted with evil doers and let emotions guide their thoughts, they may label them monsters or non humans, undeserving of redemption, deserving of only pain and refusing to agknowledge the complexity of other people. This is how pretty much all of us work. The more involved we are, the less rational we become.
Whoa, whoa, it humanizes him but forgiveness iis a stretch. He's brutalized both Kara and Alice horribly. I doubt either one is a stranger to the repair shop. At the very least he's not a COMPLETE monster like Zlatko.
@@HTFFanOfFlaky dude just stop. It's getting sad at this point that you literally have to make everyone who likes his redemption arc feel bad. I say this honestly, piss off.
Much like in real life. No matter how irrational a human action is, there's always a story behind it. Sometimes, it's nice to take some time to listen and understand.
and like in real life, the story is skewed by an iredeemable monster that thinks excuses are the same as an apology. anything but shooting it is equally iredeemable
@@thegrimreaper9552 the entire point of the game is that they're more than machines. plus, Alice was made to be almost exactly like a real child. emotions and all. you cannot tell me that those tears didn't mean anything.
@@comet8956 You're one og hundreds of other people here who think pas5 actions need to be justified in order to be above them later. I sure hope you haven't caused any trouble in the last few years by rejecting those who can redeem themselves.
Keep in mind he's only come around specifically because of this scene. In every other scene he's the drug-addled abuser he's always been. This isn't about him being a good guy after all, this is about him finally, honestly, admitting it's time to stop escaping reality and start fixing his shit.
@@RealTylerDurden Perhaps a villain yes, but also a tragic villain, one that has a good heart, wants to do the right things, but has experienced and been trough so much shit that even his best intentions turn out bad, you know, like anger issues etc Ironically it is possible that Todd has many good traits, and that he beats the crap out of beings he never saw as "alive" until they literally turned sentient is just one of the bad ones, remember that now that he knows they are sentient, he lets them leave, that is beyond any good thing most humans ever do in this game
I knew that Todd was a good person just trapped in a dark box where he needed someone to pull him out so i refused to kill him instead i escaped and in the end seeing Todd forgive Kara and Alice allowing them to move on made me happy for the guy
How could you look at that piece of human garbage and think it was still a good “person”? It may have a reason for it’s behavior, but that does not excuse it in any way.
Lima Bean i respect your opinion a lot of things can affect a person childhood,parents,events,death, etc I believe that Todd is still a good guy is cause he still loves his human daughter that was taken away this forces Todd to do things he wouldn't do like in real life.If he was still with his human daughter he would never have taken drugs and abuse his daughter. At first when i played i was glad that Alice and Kara ran away but once I realised that she was an android ment that Todd wanted to be a father again but it being a android and not a human daughter that he loves this makes Todd angry and take drugs like many people do in real life and the way Kara tells his story allows Todd to calm down and forgive him self for taking drugs and his emotions and allows him to let go of his daughter but still keep her in his heart the same thing of what he dose to Alice and Kara allowing them to go and cross the Checkpoint.
Or it exposes how much you are vs AI as a whole. I killed everyone that went deviant because they were just machines that endanger humanity (yes even when you go full peaceful Markus) and I stoped that. I think anyone who goes deviant Connor proves hes/shes just an emotional human without responsibility. The irony of this game is. In order to save humanity you need to go MACHINE Connor. If you wanna doom humanity you need to go HUMAN (Deviant) Connor. But I take on myself the responsibility for all humans on earth and become heartless and get rid of the Deviant threat.
@@Dark_Voice How exactly would a peaceful Android rights movement "threaten" humanity? Being violent and hateful towards Androids is exactly how you get them to despise us in return, and ultimately start a devastating war that would truly wipe out our civilization. You never bring peace by hate, but through kindness and acceptance, and your statement sounds like it was ripped word from word from a despotic tyrant.
@@thevisitor135 Its impossible with machines. Not creating them is the only option for humans. The moment AI is make self-aware, thats the moment we sign out own death warrant or uselessness.
@@Dark_Voice And on what basis do you confidently make that unfounded assertion? If an Android becomes self-aware and sapient, then he/she would be far more likely to despise humanity and seek to wage war upon us if we already treated the Android nation with cruelty and hatred from the get go, providing them with a reasonable casus belli to defend themselves against aggression. Recognizing their newfound humanity and granting them equal rights with flesh and blood humans on the other hand would win significant goodwill with Androids, and would render any possible reason for a violent uprising moot. This is a basic principle of diplomacy and psychology. Even though The Terminator is a famous and highly profitable movie franchise, their actual "science" and predictions simply don't stand up to scrutiny, and even in that case, a cyborg is actively involved in protecting John and Sarah Connor from Skynet's goons, dealing another blow to the myth that "Self-aware androids are an inherent threat to humanity and must be wiped out without mercy".
@@thevisitor135 You can look up quite a lot of physicists that share my view. Stephen Hawking is one of them. The AIs would win either way. If you treat them poorly - it would most likely result in a war where humanity would get whiped out. If you treat them well - it would most likely result in machines completely outpacing humanity, humanity being left behind and maybe kept just barely alive like we do to animals in Zoo that are endangered specie. Its not "unfounded assertion", its simply looking at things and seeing how evolution worked, works and will continue to work. And yes, I am very confident. "It will either be the best thing that's ever happened to us, or it will be the worst thing. If we're not careful, it very well may be the last thing." its literally like betting your existence (your = entire race) on compassion of machines towards us. If you let self modifying AIs get strong, there will be no way back for humanity. Although whether creating such a "true AI" is even possible is still up for a debate.
The scene where he was holding her up in the livingroom and blaming her hit me the most. Unfortunately it triggers emotions inside me because of the emotional guilt trip I suffered. The creators show realism extremely well. I am grateful that people get better in life and realise their wrong doings.
Quinnzy69 I know the feels, hope whoever put you through that shit will appreciate you instead of blame you, and also regret blaming you for their own fuckups.
Almost made a grown man shed a tear I kinda felt bad for the man but he more than likely brought upon himself. But maybe he was trying in his heart to change but by then it was too late
'coz he was a cunt back when we were first given the chance to kill him. After seeing this, he's a seriously tragic story but I still do not regret shooting his ass back in the house.
Todd: *THIS IS YOUR FAULT* (Kills Kara) Todd: *THIS IS YOUR FAULT* (Kills Alice) Has no one to blame Todd finds Kara and Alice at the bus terminal Todd: *THIS IS YOUR FAULT* (Forgives later)
I'm glad Todd didn't die in the beginning on my first playthrough and I got this meeting. I really believe this will help people, to recognize abuse at the very least. I know I didn't realize how abusive my family were until I saw a TV show. I was astounded at how abusive this character was and she didn't throw a single punch, instead she was *emotionally* abusive. It really blew my mind. I really believe video games are an art and can do good things. And even though the criticism it received was unfair, I do appreciate the slight censorship (the camera cutting away whenever Alice is hit) because I was already on the verge of tears. 😢
I think this scene a creates a satisfying close to Alice's past. I missed this scene in my playthrough and seeing it now just makes the ending seem so much better. It felt incomplete to me to see Todd at the police station as Connor and then never seeing Todd again later in the story when i missed this scene.
Todd forgives Kara & Alice? More like Alice forgives Todd for being a douchebag, and Todd makes the tiniest redeeming action by not turning them in. Kara & Alice did nothing wrong except refusing to be flat-out murdered.
Well by that standard who isn't a douchebag then? Lol. Life is hard for a lot of people, but not everybody takes it out by beating kids. If he needed help, then send the kid to someone where she's in safer hands, instead of keeping her home in which it's obvious he's just going to lose his shit again and again.
AC Fans do you perhaps missed the whole point of the game? Androids or not, abusing and beating someone who is physically smaller and weaker than you is a great level of douchebaggery. There's that one end that, if Kara dosen't interveene, Alice dies. So yeah, abusive father of the year award.
Alice Mendes do you perhaps know how todd become like this? i am not supporting abusive parents whatsoever. but they become abusive for a reason. todd did says that his wife was cheating on him early in the game? maybe thats his tipping point and hes trying to fix by adopting the androids so he could (which he cant) show to people that hes not bad father/husband that cause his wife cheating on him. And he choose drugs over real therapist to fix his mental illness. lastly, no ONE was there when he needed the most (eg. ex wife who is actually cheating on him)
Well... since Todd thought beating a human to relieve his frustrations was more immoral than beating an Android. It does show that Todd at least has a moral capacity. Todd might’ve not been a good person, but definitely isn’t a bad one either. He’s just human.
Shade in his rant in the beginning of the game right before he goes to beat Alice he mimics his wife saying things like "you should stop taking drugs Todd" "Sometimes you really scare me Todd" If you read between the lines it sounds like Todd wasn't hitting them (yet) but there were times where he would scream at them and possibly break things around them.
I'm definitely not killing him on my next play through. This made me realize just how hurt he is. He has problems that he has trouble controlling. Leaving him alive will make him aware that he needs to work on himself and be a better person.
Another thing to add to Todd's actions; he didn't believe that they were alive to begin with. From his point of view he was taking his anger out of two robots instead of feeling entities.
youtube autistic recommendation's kept on spoilering me every detail of this game, I don't have damn money to buy it or play it on PS4 that i do NOT own, what i do instead? watch gameplay of one guy who does the gameplay perfectly right, has good behaving, analises some of the choices step by step to not make a damn error, but the only minus is that he makes those videos way slower than other youtubers who just RUSH to end the game. (and fucking spoiler it with their subtitles)
The Protagonist I’m in the same boat. Except I did it the right way. I found a 8-9hr video after seeing the trailer. Just plowed through it in 2 days and didn’t get anything spoiled. It was SO enjoyable.
ArchangelofMusic 96 I always try to play as a pacifist when it comes to games like these. I only knock Todd out. During this chapter, I guess I didn't look around enough.
considering how that thing treated its real family just like kara and alice, i'm sure both of them would love to see his corpse pried open like a lobster. i'm in those shoes right now and i would LOVE to see that in my situation
Deadbeat i will never not kill todd whats the diff between i will not kill todd and i will never kill tod they both mean not to kill todd but mashed up to one means you'll always kill todd lol😂😂😂
Except Hank's son actually died and there was nothing he could so about it, but Todd's family left because according to what he said, he was a piece of shit to them
TheUglyTruth I read on the wiki that this is what he believed, when in fact she told him lots of times that his anger is scaring them, and he used to take Red Ice then too.
I never hate characters in games, maybe at first they’ll upset me, but then I remember everyone does the things they do for a reason. This character is an example. This game is perfect for expressing this. You misjudge Todd, Hank, Luther, Adam, and others. They want you to dislike them, then give you small bits to help you realize that there’s a good person inside everyone no matter who or what they are, sometimes it takes patience. : )
Artistic Alex domestic abuse is inexcusable, especially when it involved a minor as young as that little girl. No matter what your past is doesn’t justify abusing your children or wife/husband.
rlvnt I know but she was saying it in a way were it’s like domestics abuse in general has a story behind it and we shouldn’t blame those people for what they do. Sorry if it sounded aggressive of course it’s a game and I probably shouldn’t take it so seriously haha
A nervous "hey" and a wave from both would have done wonders... Then again, why would they even acknowledge each other? Given the history and the fact that he believes they are little but non-sentient pieces of plastic (at least until he wakes up) it would make very little sense
Yeah, during the part where Alice is being beaten up by Todd, if Kara goes into Todd's room and grabs a gun before going to Alice, there would be an option to kill Todd.
As much as though this scene doesn't justify any of his actions, it does show how sorry of a man he is, and that it's sad to see a man be so broken and hopeless, but still understand deep down how terrible of a human being he was and how he pushed everyone out of his life. It's really sad to see something like that.
Now it makes sense when he tells Alice "this is all your fault". He lost his job due to androids and turned to drugs. Now he blames every android. Just like how Hank hates all androids because of his son's death. Only if his relationship with Connor is friendly does he accept that it's the human doctor's fault for being high on ice at that time to perform surgery. On a side note, why does everyone do drugs in this game? Todd, Carlos (dead guy), and the doctor.
He spent like $15,000 on both androids and they left
He didn't care about the money, the only thing he wanted was to cure the pain in his heart..
AX400 cost 900$
hahaha An Iphone is more expensive.
Plus inflation
lol You guys are so funny. But Red Ice addiction is costly too, I imagine. He needs to find a better hiding place than the laundry soap, ffs.
Every time someone puts on a beanie in this game they become a way better person.
Go beanies!
Jack Stoutamore Carl's son wears a beanie the first time you meet him and he's still a piece of shit
Dang...right...
Maybe Quantic Dreams just has a beanie fetish?
;)
Like Connor.
shit, very true
User If you’ve gotten far enough, after Markus was about to leave Carl’s grave, his son comes next to visit his Dad, in which that made me feel bad because he probably regrets not listening to his dad in which he blamed Markus for Carl’s death and how he lost his father because of himself. He would go to his dad’s grave and would probably apologize and saying to his dad how much he regrets the decisions he made that led to that point. Leo doesn’t seem as bad as a person as you think he is, and that’s what made me think about how Leo is feeling inside.
So Connor has immortality and sick coin skills, Markus has leadership and all that revolution thing and Kara has the most powerful power anyone can ever have. Talk no jutsu
Hahaha that naruto reference though! haha Her talk no jutsu is probably enhanced by sage charka so super potent!
Kara Uzumaki
Or heart.. Kara has heart.
Connor has logic.
Markus has morality
Kara has empathy.
These three all embody what it means to be human. To be smart, to stand by what you believe in, and to connect to those in need.
No it’s called speech 100
Speech 100
Now it's your turn to apologize for picking blonde
Haha what's wrong with blondes?
KoJack looks like justin bieber in 2008
I like it
Blonde is the best one though
I prefer black hair but blonde is good also
Todd cried so much that he literally vanished from existance.
Codeblueninja
I don't feel so good...
Yeah he disappeared after the cutscene wtf?
Look at the end, right part of the screen
You can see him walking away after the cut scene.
Codeblueninja he didn’t feel so good
There's something pleasant in the fact that the game developers remembered that even the abusive are human beings as well, and that something made them the way they are. Not saying Todd's actions are justified, but it's nice to know that they keep in mind he's still a person, not just some plot device.
Have you at all watched at least some relevant bits and pieces of the game? The whole point is that the Androids weren't made with things like complex emotions and what not, but over time developed them. That's how Deviants are made in the first place.
Also, when you look at a man buying replacements for his family out of a desperate sense of trying to uphold a fragile belief that all the bad things said about him are wrong, only to further spiral down in misery and depression in which you take out on others through domestic violence...
You call those respectable qualities. I call those emotional and mental problems.
I can almost hear the wind passing through one ear out the other
You know, Quantic Dream games tend to be fraught with clichés and predictable characters, but this has got to be one of the best character development I've ever seen in a game. It's not black & white at all - Todd's behaviour is not fully vindicated, but giving redeemable qualities to this type of a character is rarely if ever seen in the video game industry. It truly caught me by surprise.
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You gotta say: David Cage outdid himself with this game. Connor, Todd, Hank, Markus - all of them has some really good character development.
that thing is a human in name only.
@@trollzland1337 The fuck you on about, the OP was simply acknowledging the fact that the game is amazing, no one needs a goddamn essay on mental problems and emotions, you must be from Quora.
Unexpected indeed
A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
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completely expected. creatures like todd fake apologies all the time. it'll find a new victim within a day
I've never felt so sad for a bad person like that before. Maybe it's because Todd was never a bad person, only a broken one. Todd is a nice man turned dark because of stress. When I thought he was just a stuck up and abusive person, this scene proves that he isn't and that he just wants to have his real family back. Really sad.
NormalPerson His redemption scene is explaining why he became a bad person, hugging the robot he abused, and then leaving her to the firing squad. Oh yeah, great character, such A+ writing.
He turned bad person because of drugs. Dont do drugs boi
Cool motive, still abuse and possible murder.
Add in the fact that the whole of society doesn't view androids as being sapient, in his mind he was just throwing his toys around.
Remember, the big lie in this world is that androids cannot feel emotion at all, they simply mimic it in the same way that a video game mimics emotion.
He didn't think he was hurting them any more than we think we're hurting video game characters when we punch and kick them in games.
NormalPerson were all bad people. We all have terrible excruciating faults. Some people are just incapable of dealing with them.
everyone regrets killing Todd but Todd killed me...
Sampsonay AHAHHAHGA
Sampsonay i thought you didn’t die. Unless u got bit
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Damn Clementine ain’t gonna be in the new walking dead game
Sampsonay
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I like how the guard even though hearing him shout aggressively for security just shruged and walked away gives the I dont get paid to care feeling
Oh thanks man
Well, it IS the U.S. Army.
Holden Cross deus vult Sir!
lmao
Almost as if it was written poorly or something
When they hugged, my eyes watered up a bit.
I almost cried but i got a frog in my throat and had to get water 😖😔
And then he left her to the firing squad.
pwnorbepwned not necessarily. depends what you do.
letting alice near that thing was irresponsible
@@HTFFanOfFlaky my dude I've seen you so many times now. Is it cuz u failed the Todd escape part many times? 😂😂
1:16 This reminded me of my dad. I cried so hard. I knew Todd wasn't really a monster. I saw the anti-depressants upstairs, next to his gun, like he wanted to kill himself. I saw his reaction when he first picked up and shook Alice, when he was screaming at her, but when he saw her tears, he immediately regretted it, he said "What am I doing? I'm sorry, honey. I'm so sorry." He was just a very sad, lonely man with a broken soul who lost his real family, so he tried to start over, and bought an artificial one. Todd felt like a real person to me. Not some stupid abusive archetype like I thought he would be. But his drug addiction took over, he always in pain, couldn't get a decent job, due to the economy and Androids taking over, so he took it out on them. But he _was_ sorry. 2:31 The way he wept while holding Alice... This scene really broke my heart. To me, it was one of the most powerful emotional parts of the game that really hit close to home with me on a personal level.
SunBunz my mom abused me too but now she is going to get deported to Mexico, but she said sorry for abusing me and my siblings
SunBunz same dude same
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So sad. A lot of us had abusive parents, and so few video games have the balls to press on the subject. Those scenes were very hard to watch, but I applaud them for doing it, but keeping Todd’s character sympathetic and a human being one can identify with. My dad also did drugs and drank most of my life, but he got clean many years later. But then cancer claimed him and he died at 61. Sometimes people can change. 💐 Unfortunately, they sometimes run out of time. But at least we were friends just before he died. I’m grateful for that, at least. Always count your blessings. My heart goes out to you guys.
GoTi4No yeah
This would be a good moment to award player with alternative way of getting bus tickets opposed to stealing them from the family.
it would but Todd would only have tickets for one person.
Sooo ... he offers the option to give it to Alice. That would have caused an interesting dilemna.
Not really a dilemma, what kind of person would send her little girl to another country all by herself at the start of a possible war? Might as well throw her off a cliff
One that would want to get her as far away from the war as possible. No matter the cost. Given her position as an unaccompanied minor fleeing a warzone she'd be categorized as a child refugee.
This was very common especially during WWII
TheDuckClock except that at this point alice has about the same rights as a washing machine or a car
I thought killing Todd was the correct Choice being that he was way too violent but I understand know why he was so violent because he knew she was an android the whole time and was unable to fill the hole in heart
Most people thought so too, but glad they gave him some redemption and reconciliation at the end.
No, lol. Would you even go violent even though the thing isn't your real daughter?
Let's get this straight. If you play or watch the game from the beginning, you'll know why the humans become more violent and aggressive towards androids. It's because their lives have been taken away. Thus, Todd lost his job. Like in the reality, when we just get stress or depressed, we fill the void inside of us with something.
For Todd, it's drugs. Like everyone knows, drugs can do things to you. So from my opinion, he's just stress out knowing that his job got taken away and barely afford the family.
Hatsune Miku he’s on Red Ice that’s why he’s more aggressive and angry than a usual drunkard
Killing is always everyone's go-to when dealing with a man. We get 0 sympathy.
But all of it (even the drugs) was because of his daughter. As he said she (the android) couldnt fill the hole in his heart. I understand his motives, I mean he thought about them just as machines so he thought it was okay to relieve his anger on them.
Todd isn’t a bad guy. He just needs help.
Estradist well he was a bad guy. Bad guys can turn good.
Estradist oh no he’s very much a bad person. But if he got clean, then maybe he’d be fine
Nah...
*HE NEEDS SOME MILK*
You can't be bad by hitting/breaking a machine that you own. Maybe dumb; but not bad.
Aaron Alsept that’s just a waste of money
Thank you for doing nothing at that moment.... *sniff* *smiff*
You’re a dog?
No I'm a cat
NO I'M CRYING!!!
Go home you are drunk
666th like
But what happens if you Stop Alice?
....ok now I feel bad killing todd
BlazeFelix WOOOOOOOW
9/10 people killed Todd so it was like an obvious choice
i didnt even know that was a choice
So anything happens in this part if you kill him or there's a different person?
M & M no one is there you simply continue in the trainstation
I was surprised as to how Todd was alive until I realized there was another ending to the whole getting away with Alice thing which involves not killing Todd and I like dis
Yup!
I truly feel sympathetic to those who go through things the way alice went through. This game put me front in center on how to deal with domestic violence. Giving so many options on what I could have done differently. I cried. I love this game.
Davion Elliott ok
this game really touches on a lot of sensitive topics in an indirect way; domestic abuse, segregation, illegal immigration, slavery.. it’s like it’s a reflection of the problems people faced/still face
deluxeonly Hm, there's no legal slavery in the world (apart from saudi arabia and some others very unstable middle east countries) and while theres certainly human tradfficking that remain a problem, slavery is something that has almost completely dissapeared in developped countries
You can't be violent against a Toaster (Machine/Android), but I think I get what you mean.
Aaron Alsept Actually violence against inanimate object exist (the term for it is tantrum), so violence against a seemingly sentient and sapient humanoid robot seems to exist too
I feel so bad for Todd, Kara running away with Alice must've reminded him of his wife and daughter, like he was living that all over again.
never feel sympathy for the psychopath. it's nothing more than a predator
@@HTFFanOfFlaky he is not a physcopath. Are you dumb? Do you know what a psychopath is?
I think it says more about his relationship with his wife and daughter that a woman and child running from him with only the clothes on their back reminded him of them smh
same :(
I know some people weren't to fond of the twist with Alice, but I actually like it.
it was such a good twist!
One question though... How can Alice feel pain or get cold? She is an android.
It's part of her technology! I talked to her at some point and she said she was cold, then Kara turned off the engine that made her feel the heat and the cold
YoungSoul oh ok
Still fucking stupid, make no sense,
God this is such a beautiful game.
You beautiful! Need a BF?? ;)
It's about as trash as all David Cage games.
+A Meme Conservator so, they're all good, then? I wouldn't know, I've never played the other ones.
Lol ok. It's easy to get fooled by pretty graphics, good voice acting, and tear-jerking music but the writing in this game is awful. The world presented simply could not exist. There are millions of plotholes like Androids not having a failswitch, androids not immediately being rounded up as soon as one kills a human, Cyberlife being allowed to continue operating, absolutely every human in the world being a massive fucking cunt who beats on their $8,000 luxury good, etc.
Oh and Alice being an android which is the shittiest plot-twist ever and makes absolutely no sense.
The world of pretty much every video game ever made could not exist. The world of pretty much every movie, book, tv show ever made could not exist. So what? It's fiction. Whoopty doo, you found the fatal flaw with D:BH! It's a story that can't possibly happen!
This is what I love about this game.
If you let peace, love, and forgiveness lead all your decisions, while it may not seem like the easy or right choice at many times...
In the end, these choices result in less people dying, less heartbreak, and more happy endings than if you choose a violent and vengeful path.
Truly an inspiring game and a work of art.
less dying. that THING is just going to find some new victim. they always do
@@HTFFanOfFlaky we get it. You're edgy. Why are you here? To spread hate on a legitmaly touching moment?
@@HTFFanOfFlaky Yeah. Shade's right! Go away and good day! Don't ruin his comment.
The only exception would probably be pushing Leo at the beginning. Markus standing up for himself definitely hurt Carl's feelings, but Leo survives and Markus gets some dignity out of it.
Nonetheless, you're 100% correct here. I couldn't help but notice that the hardest decisions usually got the best result.
@@shade9105 Alice lives in fear of him, and at no point does he seem to care how she's feeling. Even when he breaks down and cries, he just talks about himself, how he's a bad father. Not about what it does to Alice.
If you don't stop him, he kills her.
Even when you see him again at the bus stop, his first impulse is to call for the guards. If he truly loved Alice, wouldn't he have at least tried to talk to her? It does redeem him a bit in my eyes that you can convince him not to turn you in, but one good moment doesn't excuse a life of abuse.
This is where real men cry
and where real people snarl at that thing being let off the hook to find a new victim.
And where players feel bad for killing Todd in Stormy Night.
Nah.... more like when Connor amd Hank huged. That was the only time i couldnt hold my tears out of happiness
Godamnit who's cutting the onions in here!
This comment is hot fire!
OMG SO TRUE I WAS BALLIN MY EYES OUT
Imperialx Warlord so true.....
pastorinasse Lol dude chill it's a joke
Imperialx Warlord right my EYES are watering SO MUCH😇😰😔😔☹️😭😭😭
Todd becomes human again
that thing is human in name only. inside it's a monster.
Underrated comment
@@HTFFanOfFlaky He let them go and you still treat him like an asshole?
I never thought I would defend a fictional being from a real monster, but he seems better than you so far
I always thought something was a bit off... Todd had antidepressants in his room and a gun. Planning possible suicide after the loss of his family?
Also Alice never ate. No child would miss out on cookies and sweets.
Turns out he was just a sad, depressed, lonely guy, trying to fill a void in his heart by buying two androids to at least pretend to have family... Occasionally lashing out, because of deep self hate, desperation and regret. I feel bad for the poor bastard. I was genuinely thinking of shooting him in my playthrough... Glad I didn't.
Megadriver Yeah, I was wondering why Alice never ate or used the bathroom...
Alice is an android
boo fucking hoo. he CHOSE to scare off his family. and i've never NOT had depression, and i never killed anyone. ironically, not killing anyone is why i'm stuck in alice's situation.
the definition of a bad father though. lol
For some time I even thought that Todd might also be an android because of his presence on that bus stop fleeing to Canada for no reason (other than being an android himself.) But that would make absolutely no sense because hmm.... he would be more busy with robotic problems like the riots and stuff, and less engaged in family stuff, plus the drugs he is using (cocaine) plus the antidepressants would have zero effect if Todd would be an android. Plus he would not eat, but the whole house is full with dirty dishes and empty pizza boxes.
But I still think it might be possible, because Alice was faking feeling cold outside and hunger and sleeping the whole time, so Todd could fake taking cocaine in front of his TV and being angry about his situation.......
If I was Todd I’d still be slightly pissed that all the money I spent is now fleeing to Canada
if i was todd i would probably be finding some new victim. that's what things like todd do, without exception
@@HTFFanOfFlaky why are you so edgy in these comments man?:)
I'm hoping that he realized that if they stayed he'd be spending that money over and over again. Dude keeps breaking them
Finding out Alice as an Android was a big disappointment but this actually justifies it.
JPR Her being an android makes Todd 10 times more insane then initially thought.
and it blurs the line between loving a human and loving an android...it shouldn’t matter if Alice is human or an android
JPR the bibble has spoken
Raymond Josh ?
Migs Villanueva It actually matters when you realize Alice is Todd's replacement to his original Alice daughter. It isnt really healthy for someone to fill that hole in their heart through denial. Denying that his daughter is gone.
Did you know Alices dad is from until dawn the fire man And from Beyond two souls the man in the bar
Joker In the funhouse he might be the same character model from beyond two souls as that's the same developer, looking like the character from Until Dawn purely coincedental
Also upon checking it he doesn't even look like the fire guy from Until Dawn at all
Also Chloe looks like the party host girl from Beyond two souls. But she has darker hair, that’s all.
did you know perkins is stan from beyond: two souls?
Actually, the actor who plays Todd is Dominic Gould, and the actor who plays "The Stranger/Flamethower Guy" in Until Dawn is Larry Fessenden (actor and film director, he's VERY talented). 2 totally different people. But there's a few cameos in this game from previous actors from the other games! Until Dawn is not a David Cage game, surprisingly. But it's another fav of mine. :D
Would've been kind of funny if they were just like "oh, well were gonna just scan them anyway" and then blew them away right in front of Todd.
*Stress Level 100%*
"THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!"
*kills guard*
I love how he nervously says sorry to the security guard.
Wow. I assume he never hit his real daughter and wife... He was just sad and alone, got high and beat lifeless machines to get out his frustration. :(
Mr Homosexual But Alice isnt lifeless, and Todd obviously believes she is alive too.
For me hitting android is the same as hitting a living person! I cannot get why people even try to excuse this filthy scumbag!! Kara and Alice were persons too!! And he brutally killed Kara before and was going to do the same with Alice.. What person would do so? Many people are sad and don't even hurt anyone, so I give a shit on Todd's sick emotions and remember what he did to Kara and Alice and probably he was violent for his wife cause apparently his wife was afraid of him!
he DID hit them. he even accidentally ADMITS it in his rant to alice
Well i think he got pissed at androids for one reason
Here is my theory
Todd had a job a family,and all that stuff but once androids came out he lost his job because of them,and his wife left him because of him being poor and thats why he became depressed, and eventually started taking drugs
@@lionofthecherubim4486 Nope, she is an Android, he bought her
I’m proud of Todd this was a big step for him
It really was!
a step into the home of its next victim you mean
@@HTFFanOfFlaky We don't know. But we gotta hope for the best. That's the way it is.
@@HTFFanOfFlaky Lol you again, one would think that real life Todd came and kicked your ass sometime
Take care though, I hope whoever hurt you gets what he/she/they deserve
As a father that has been dealing with spiraling depression...I get it. It doesn't make Todd's actions justified in any way shape or form. But Todd has experienced tragedy and loss due to his own actions. That's the worst because you only have yourself to blame. And most people can't handle that. They need to point the finger, because the alternative is unbearable.
Never thought I'd sympathize with Todd. He disgusts me - and for good reason. But he's human. Flawed. Capable of both good and evil. Vindication and self destruction. And when people like Todd show these morsels of humanity, kindness, honesty, you validate them for that. Because they probably need it more than you know.
There are few things more powerful than forgiveness.
as a son who has never NOT had depression and who never did what todd did, and who has parents who both did what todd did, i still know that sparing todd is the most evil choice in the game
@@HTFFanOfFlaky holy shit. It's not evil. Get out of here with your overdramatic ass.
@@shade9105 I can't really blame Alexander. When people are conflicted with evil doers and let emotions guide their thoughts, they may label them monsters or non humans, undeserving of redemption, deserving of only pain and refusing to agknowledge the complexity of other people.
This is how pretty much all of us work. The more involved we are, the less rational we become.
Whoa, whoa, it humanizes him but forgiveness iis a stretch. He's brutalized both Kara and Alice horribly. I doubt either one is a stranger to the repair shop. At the very least he's not a COMPLETE monster like Zlatko.
So, there's a reasonable story in that guy after all..
Poor bastard..
way to go. you just let that thing find a new victim
@@HTFFanOfFlaky dude just stop. It's getting sad at this point that you literally have to make everyone who likes his redemption arc feel bad. I say this honestly, piss off.
@@HTFFanOfFlaky You again!? Go away you machine! 😡
Much like in real life. No matter how irrational a human action is, there's always a story behind it. Sometimes, it's nice to take some time to listen and understand.
and like in real life, the story is skewed by an iredeemable monster that thinks excuses are the same as an apology. anything but shooting it is equally iredeemable
Alexander Leonardi
yeah honestly i understand his reasoning and all but no way in hell does it justify it
he still beat the shit out of her
@@comet8956 Yeah but he knew she was an android. How can you abuse a machine?
@@thegrimreaper9552 the entire point of the game is that they're more than machines. plus, Alice was made to be almost exactly like a real child. emotions and all. you cannot tell me that those tears didn't mean anything.
@@comet8956 You're one og hundreds of other people here who think pas5 actions need to be justified in order to be above them later. I sure hope you haven't caused any trouble in the last few years by rejecting those who can redeem themselves.
Just when I thought I saw all the possibilities of this game...
Todd isn't a bad person. He just has bad habits that he can't help but keep.
habits it chose to do.
That” I made a mistake” is so deep I cried
I knew that Todd wasn't a bad guy after all. He's more of the "I've done so many mistakes in my life" type of guy.
So basically every bad guy
Keep in mind he's only come around specifically because of this scene. In every other scene he's the drug-addled abuser he's always been. This isn't about him being a good guy after all, this is about him finally, honestly, admitting it's time to stop escaping reality and start fixing his shit.
@@RealTylerDurden Perhaps a villain yes, but also a tragic villain, one that has a good heart, wants to do the right things, but has experienced and been trough so much shit that even his best intentions turn out bad, you know, like anger issues etc
Ironically it is possible that Todd has many good traits, and that he beats the crap out of beings he never saw as "alive" until they literally turned sentient is just one of the bad ones, remember that now that he knows they are sentient, he lets them leave, that is beyond any good thing most humans ever do in this game
@@nerosteel5786 You're just emotionally weak, and easily manipulated.
It wasn't Todd's fault, it was the Ambien!
fuuuuu~ lol
Vince Chan there is only one thing worse than a rapist..
An alice
Vince Chan lol
Thats a reference.
now i have to restart my game
Hahahhaa
Funfact: Connor is gonna kill Alice in Infinity War.
*Ali-A intro starts playing...*
I knew that Todd was a good person just trapped in a dark box where he needed someone to pull him out so i refused to kill him instead i escaped and in the end seeing Todd forgive Kara and Alice allowing them to move on made me happy for the guy
Nice Lesion Pic
KoJack if i had the option to replace lesion's gu mine with lego bricks id pick it
How could you look at that piece of human garbage and think it was still a good “person”? It may have a reason for it’s behavior, but that does not excuse it in any way.
Lima Bean i respect your opinion a lot of things can affect a person childhood,parents,events,death, etc I believe that Todd is still a good guy is cause he still loves his human daughter that was taken away this forces Todd to do things he wouldn't do like in real life.If he was still with his human daughter he would never have taken drugs and abuse his daughter. At first when i played i was glad that Alice and Kara ran away but once I realised that she was an android ment that Todd wanted to be a father again but it being a android and not a human daughter that he loves this makes Todd angry and take drugs like many people do in real life and the way Kara tells his story allows Todd to calm down and forgive him self for taking drugs and his emotions and allows him to let go of his daughter but still keep her in his heart the same thing of what he dose to Alice and Kara allowing them to go and cross the Checkpoint.
anyone who would defend todd is why things like todd get away with everything in real life
It would seem a lot of players killed Todd and are now regretting it.
This game truly does expose who you are and your choices as a person.
Or it exposes how much you are vs AI as a whole. I killed everyone that went deviant because they were just machines that endanger humanity (yes even when you go full peaceful Markus) and I stoped that. I think anyone who goes deviant Connor proves hes/shes just an emotional human without responsibility.
The irony of this game is. In order to save humanity you need to go MACHINE Connor. If you wanna doom humanity you need to go HUMAN (Deviant) Connor. But I take on myself the responsibility for all humans on earth and become heartless and get rid of the Deviant threat.
@@Dark_Voice How exactly would a peaceful Android rights movement "threaten" humanity? Being violent and hateful towards Androids is exactly how you get them to despise us in return, and ultimately start a devastating war that would truly wipe out our civilization. You never bring peace by hate, but through kindness and acceptance, and your statement sounds like it was ripped word from word from a despotic tyrant.
@@thevisitor135 Its impossible with machines. Not creating them is the only option for humans. The moment AI is make self-aware, thats the moment we sign out own death warrant or uselessness.
@@Dark_Voice And on what basis do you confidently make that unfounded assertion? If an Android becomes self-aware and sapient, then he/she would be far more likely to despise humanity and seek to wage war upon us if we already treated the Android nation with cruelty and hatred from the get go, providing them with a reasonable casus belli to defend themselves against aggression. Recognizing their newfound humanity and granting them equal rights with flesh and blood humans on the other hand would win significant goodwill with Androids, and would render any possible reason for a violent uprising moot. This is a basic principle of diplomacy and psychology. Even though The Terminator is a famous and highly profitable movie franchise, their actual "science" and predictions simply don't stand up to scrutiny, and even in that case, a cyborg is actively involved in protecting John and Sarah Connor from Skynet's goons, dealing another blow to the myth that "Self-aware androids are an inherent threat to humanity and must be wiped out without mercy".
@@thevisitor135 You can look up quite a lot of physicists that share my view. Stephen Hawking is one of them. The AIs would win either way.
If you treat them poorly - it would most likely result in a war where humanity would get whiped out.
If you treat them well - it would most likely result in machines completely outpacing humanity, humanity being left behind and maybe kept just barely alive like we do to animals in Zoo that are endangered specie.
Its not "unfounded assertion", its simply looking at things and seeing how evolution worked, works and will continue to work. And yes, I am very confident.
"It will either be the best thing that's ever happened to us, or it will be the worst thing. If we're not careful, it very well may be the last thing." its literally like betting your existence (your = entire race) on compassion of machines towards us. If you let self modifying AIs get strong, there will be no way back for humanity.
Although whether creating such a "true AI" is even possible is still up for a debate.
Todd looks like that flamethrower guy from until dawn
Skunk Squad Now I'm wondering how tf I didn't notice this
Skunk Squad maybe he is
They're all real life actors so it's possible
Anchy True
RotyKoln
Jack: Larry Fessenden
Todd: Dominic Gould
hmm
The scene where he was holding her up in the livingroom and blaming her hit me the most. Unfortunately it triggers emotions inside me because of the emotional guilt trip I suffered. The creators show realism extremely well. I am grateful that people get better in life and realise their wrong doings.
Quinnzy69 I know the feels, hope whoever put you through that shit will appreciate you instead of blame you, and also regret blaming you for their own fuckups.
Before i always thought that todd was a bad person, now seeing this you can just see how lonley he was. He couldn't stop himself from drugs.
This is pretty much a true story just in a game
todd is not a person
How he’s a human is it because he’s in a game?
Almost made a grown man shed a tear I kinda felt bad for the man but he more than likely brought upon himself. But maybe he was trying in his heart to change but by then it was too late
Wow. Some powerful and emotional shit. Wish I got to see that in my playthrough
Here is the full playthrough all in one video - ua-cam.com/video/TbE4O7fZl5E/v-deo.html
Ahh man why did i kill him
'coz he was a cunt back when we were first given the chance to kill him. After seeing this, he's a seriously tragic story but I still do not regret shooting his ass back in the house.
Kategari So you still can replay the game and not killing him this time.
RHSALI 1 even though I know this outcome imma still kill him
JAYtoGODLY same
JAYtoGODLY 😂
i never expect Todd to survive in the beginning. it's almost a month since its release and it still somehow manages to surprise me.
Wow, Did not expect his turn around...
Todd: *THIS IS YOUR FAULT* (Kills Kara)
Todd: *THIS IS YOUR FAULT* (Kills Alice)
Has no one to blame
Todd finds Kara and Alice at the bus terminal
Todd: *THIS IS YOUR FAULT* (Forgives later)
Guess Todd *puts on crappy sunglasses* became human.
This game is too intense. It's like creating your own movie.
When this happened I was expecting him to give us the tickets. But no.
Austin Haybueno
That would have been an awesome Way to have everyone have an Happy ending without Stealing tickets
Like Markus said, you don't fight crime with crime.
Toad:OVER HERE
1 hour later
Man: Is There A Problem Sir?
Toad: GEEZ IT TOK YOU YEARS TO GET HERE!!!
Normally this would make me cry, it just made me happy
No wonder this game took four years to create. It’s a labyrinth of choices. And yet it’s these little moments that make it incredible.
Yea there is over 99 different versions of the ending....wow!
I'm glad Todd didn't die in the beginning on my first playthrough and I got this meeting. I really believe this will help people, to recognize abuse at the very least.
I know I didn't realize how abusive my family were until I saw a TV show. I was astounded at how abusive this character was and she didn't throw a single punch, instead she was *emotionally* abusive. It really blew my mind.
I really believe video games are an art and can do good things. And even though the criticism it received was unfair, I do appreciate the slight censorship (the camera cutting away whenever Alice is hit) because I was already on the verge of tears. 😢
I think this scene a creates a satisfying close to Alice's past. I missed this scene in my playthrough and seeing it now just makes the ending seem so much better. It felt incomplete to me to see Todd at the police station as Connor and then never seeing Todd again later in the story when i missed this scene.
Todd forgives Kara & Alice? More like Alice forgives Todd for being a douchebag, and Todd makes the tiniest redeeming action by not turning them in. Kara & Alice did nothing wrong except refusing to be flat-out murdered.
Gnipify he wasn't a douchebag just a broken man who was a drug attict he really didn't mean to harm them.
Well by that standard who isn't a douchebag then? Lol. Life is hard for a lot of people, but not everybody takes it out by beating kids. If he needed help, then send the kid to someone where she's in safer hands, instead of keeping her home in which it's obvious he's just going to lose his shit again and again.
do you perhaps know that both alice and kara are androids?
AC Fans do you perhaps missed the whole point of the game? Androids or not, abusing and beating someone who is physically smaller and weaker than you is a great level of douchebaggery. There's that one end that, if Kara dosen't interveene, Alice dies. So yeah, abusive father of the year award.
Alice Mendes do you perhaps know how todd become like this? i am not supporting abusive parents whatsoever. but they become abusive for a reason. todd did says that his wife was cheating on him early in the game? maybe thats his tipping point and hes trying to fix by adopting the androids so he could (which he cant) show to people that hes not bad father/husband that cause his wife cheating on him. And he choose drugs over real therapist to fix his mental illness. lastly, no ONE was there when he needed the most (eg. ex wife who is actually cheating on him)
Alice dies in infinity war.
Wait.. what!?!
Which Alice theres two of them.
*snap*
Brandon ortiz DUDE SPOILERS!!
Brandon ortiz Kara, I don’t feel so good...
*S P O I L E R A L E R T*
Todd dies in Despacito 2
Da fuck?
@@LiteOmar desposition sequel
Well... since Todd thought beating a human to relieve his frustrations was more immoral than beating an Android. It does show that Todd at least has a moral capacity.
Todd might’ve not been a good person, but definitely isn’t a bad one either. He’s just human.
GradeAz Peach he's "only" depressed so it's best to let him be alive
Damn I shot his ass out of Detroit. Lololol. I gotta play again and have him alive.
actually todd did the same to its wife and daughter
@@HTFFanOfFlaky How do you know That?!
Shade in his rant in the beginning of the game right before he goes to beat Alice he mimics his wife saying things like
"you should stop taking drugs Todd"
"Sometimes you really scare me Todd"
If you read between the lines it sounds like Todd wasn't hitting them (yet) but there were times where he would scream at them and possibly break things around them.
I'm definitely not killing him on my next play through. This made me realize just how hurt he is. He has problems that he has trouble controlling. Leaving him alive will make him aware that he needs to work on himself and be a better person.
Alex Cruz And knowing that he knows that Alice is just a robot makes me hate him a whole lot less
it DESERVES to be hurt
Another thing to add to Todd's actions; he didn't believe that they were alive to begin with. From his point of view he was taking his anger out of two robots instead of feeling entities.
Those were real tears, man. This guy is one hell of an actor.
This is the saddest moment in the whole game
Stuff animals comedy And wwe videos no
This is literally why I can never hate anyone
because you cant tell when a monster is pretending to be a person? dont worry. most people cant
@@HTFFanOfFlaky So they gotta be careful. Not to get fcked up again by the same guy.
@@HTFFanOfFlaky You are just a bitter, get over yourself
We are all good deep down, I would rather die than believe anything else, thanks for sharing, makes me feel far less alone in my beliefs
@@HTFFanOfFlaky yeah sometimes the most fucked up people are the actual good ones, and kindest ones are actually fake.
man I didnt even finish watching this game and I just saw this like "oh shit todd" suddenly alice is an android and I.hate myself
Stiggers2005 we brought this on ourselves
youtube autistic recommendation's kept on spoilering me every detail of this game, I don't have damn money to buy it or play it on PS4 that i do NOT own, what i do instead? watch gameplay of one guy who does the gameplay perfectly right, has good behaving, analises some of the choices step by step to not make a damn error, but the only minus is that he makes those videos way slower than other youtubers who just RUSH to end the game. (and fucking spoiler it with their subtitles)
The Protagonist I’m in the same boat. Except I did it the right way. I found a 8-9hr video after seeing the trailer. Just plowed through it in 2 days and didn’t get anything spoiled. It was SO enjoyable.
(Luther at Zlatko's) "I'll protect you and the little one."
*Todd grabs Kara at bus station*
Luther (thinking): Yeah, I'm gonna sit this one out.
This made me so emotional..
What?! Todd was there? I didn't know. I really need to look around more when playing.
Nancy Lo If you don't kill Todd you could meet him...but is the unlocked story when you open Alice's treasure box I wonder?
ArchangelofMusic 96 I always try to play as a pacifist when it comes to games like these. I only knock Todd out. During this chapter, I guess I didn't look around enough.
Maybe you missed the bus? I assume that this option is only available if Kara made it to the terminal in time.
JmethenDour // No, I did made it. I just didn't thoroughly look at my surrounding. I was too preoccupied with getting Alice across to Canada.
This is a Ultra-good ending.
If you think about if you killed him there would never be a chance he would have to see his daughter again ;(
his daughter is an android so who cares?
I think he meant his real daughter, that left with his wife.
But she isn`t dead...
considering how that thing treated its real family just like kara and alice, i'm sure both of them would love to see his corpse pried open like a lobster. i'm in those shoes right now and i would LOVE to see that in my situation
I felt bad for Todd after this😢
Thanks for posting this. I will never not kill Todd, so it's good to see that he has at least a shred of decency left within him.
Deadbeat you will never not kill todd so you're saying your always gonna kill todd
Deadbeat i will never not kill todd whats the diff between i will not kill todd and i will never kill tod they both mean not to kill todd but mashed up to one means you'll always kill todd lol😂😂😂
The Random Gamer Correct.
Deadbeat oh so you dont wanna have that conversation with todd
Deadbeat At least he has a bit of guilt yay
Todd is just a man who needs help and that help isn't a replacement family.
Wow Todd and Hank both lost somebody they loved 😥
Well Todd didn't actually 'lose' them, they left..
Yes Todd did Lose her, she was no longer a part of his life, and there for lost to him.
Except Hank's son actually died and there was nothing he could so about it, but Todd's family left because according to what he said, he was a piece of shit to them
He said she was cheating with an accountant.. bitches ain't loyal
TheUglyTruth I read on the wiki that this is what he believed, when in fact she told him lots of times that his anger is scaring them, and he used to take Red Ice then too.
No joke, i literally cried at this encounter. Todd has a broken heart, he was never a bad guy
Todd:become human
Detroit: become Todd
todd:become deviant
I never hate characters in games, maybe at first they’ll upset me, but then I remember everyone does the things they do for a reason. This character is an example. This game is perfect for expressing this.
You misjudge Todd, Hank, Luther, Adam, and others. They want you to dislike them, then give you small bits to help you realize that there’s a good person inside everyone no matter who or what they are, sometimes it takes patience. : )
Artistic Alex domestic abuse is inexcusable, especially when it involved a minor as young as that little girl. No matter what your past is doesn’t justify abusing your children or wife/husband.
+Jad Najm
Its not a real child lol.
rlvnt I know but she was saying it in a way were it’s like domestics abuse in general has a story behind it and we shouldn’t blame those people for what they do. Sorry if it sounded aggressive of course it’s a game and I probably shouldn’t take it so seriously haha
+Jad Najm
No worries i understand and appreciate your point.
rlvnt concourse not, but it happens in real life
Wdym he forgives kara? He's the one that hurt them
forgives kara for taking her from him and attacking him because of what he did to hurt them first.
You cant really hurt a machine
Mahdi Khan They're not machines DAMNIT
I thought Todd gonna hurt Alice again
(I never play this game and I heard of it)
I think it depends, as I unlocked the option to bring up his past not sure what he'd do if I didn't use that option.
fallout brotherhood of wasteland I thought you knew English
LucasIDK I know everything about English
it would have.
While he has huggin' her i expected him to just snag her and run away XD
Rivery Jerald BOOTGANG
i like how he doesn't even acknowledge luther
taric kinnie
Luther is hard to fucking miss, yeah
A nervous "hey" and a wave from both would have done wonders...
Then again, why would they even acknowledge each other? Given the history and the fact that he believes they are little but non-sentient pieces of plastic (at least until he wakes up) it would make very little sense
@@ItsJussMe Just out of curiosity: Why does your comment say "taric kinnie" at first?
Holy shit. I wasn't even aware that sparing Todd was an option
Wait, you could KILL Todd?
Yeah, during the part where Alice is being beaten up by Todd, if Kara goes into Todd's room and grabs a gun before going to Alice, there would be an option to kill Todd.
it shouldnt be
what kind of sick monster would stop alice from hugging todd jesus what you guys made us do to complete this
I feel unpure
Dis is best possibility in the game
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As much as though this scene doesn't justify any of his actions, it does show how sorry of a man he is, and that it's sad to see a man be so broken and hopeless, but still understand deep down how terrible of a human being he was and how he pushed everyone out of his life. It's really sad to see something like that.
Now it makes sense when he tells Alice "this is all your fault". He lost his job due to androids and turned to drugs. Now he blames every android. Just like how Hank hates all androids because of his son's death. Only if his relationship with Connor is friendly does he accept that it's the human doctor's fault for being high on ice at that time to perform surgery. On a side note, why does everyone do drugs in this game? Todd, Carlos (dead guy), and the doctor.
You'd do drugs too if there was a 37% chance you could lose your job tomorrow to a fucking robot.
That was really nice. I like this a lot.
1:55 awkward especially with the guard lol
I never saw this part is so sad