I'm still loving the Niche Zero
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
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and I'm still loving your reviews
As I enjoy making them. Sometimes I do miss being able to just settle in with one of the great machines and just enjoy it..but there always something new or an exciting prototype. At least I have the pleasure of only reviewing what I like and find interesting. If I get a machine, grinder or roaster etc.. that's not good, I simply don't waste my time reviewing it. :)
@@DaveCorbey We really appreciate what you do so thank you very much.
If had time please make Comparison between lelit machine that you have.
the Vesuvius is really quiet
you most likely see the extra border in the viewfinder because the lens covers a different angle to what is recorded in video mode
In your other video of the Niche, you put the dosing cup directly onto the portafilter. I noticed that in this video, you tip in the ground coffee and use a funnel. What is the reason for that?
I had not got the hang of using the dosing cup at the time...now I have. :)
@@DaveCorbey Thanks, good to know!
Thanks Dave backed it. Still loving my Verona so following your advice/review again. Have a Pharos currently and looking forward to a bit less work to do when making multiple coffees.
And do you still like it?
@@DaveCorbey Hi Dave still really enjoying my Niche it has made lovely coffee from the day I got it and so much less work than the old Pharos which has been relegated as backup in case I do ever have problems but not expecting any tbh. Definitely been an amazing buy. Thanks so much for giving me the confidence to jump in early on one at a great price. I think I was in the first batch of people.
@@simonchurchley8088 You did get it at a great price, I think the first batch were £350 ish, something like that.
@@DaveCorbey Yeah I definitely owe you a few coffees Dave :) My Verona is still working beautifully too!
How can you single dose with this grinder if popcorning is taking place? With popcorning you should be getting channeling and if you're not I suspect that's because of the pressure profiling (starting slow and ramp up)
Popcorning is almost always a whole bean bouncing out of the grinder before properly engaging with the burrs. The burrs move very slowly, so it's not a problem. The are not bouncing out as broken pieces. The pressure profiling machine actually requires a much finer grind than a normal machine and it needs a really good to perform well...it doesn't make it easier. I think you need to be aware that the slow speed is part of the reason this grinder does so well and whole bean popcorning (not even entering the burrs)is not really an issue.
Chanelling is cause by a poor grind, not necessarily popcorning.
Dave Corbey interesting point. So basically what you're saying here is a lower RPM grinder is more suitable for single dosing than a higher RPM one. I'll look further into that. Thanks
With 1 caviat, as long as it's a conical, flat burrs can grind slowly, but below certain speeds you get problems with bean feed and very long grind times.
Dave Corbey got it! Low RPM conical better for single dosing. Thanks again. I may consider backing this Grinder if that's the case but I'll have to see if I can get it in silver and black legs.
Dave Corbey any idea what the RPM is on this grinder?
Is that a Ceado E37S next to the NICHE????? Did you buy that before or after the NICHE? Overall, Looking at Mark Buchmans assessment on the E37S .... It is near ZERO Retention just like the NICHE. The difference is price and your workflow is very smart for the NICHE. Gonna do the same with my setup once I get the NICHE and ECM Synchronika. It's all about consistancy. Good Video Dave. Thanks for sharing but let me know if you got the NICHE before or after the E37S.
I got the Niche after, I test quite thoroughly and never found zero retention on the E37s. However that is an E92 next to the Niche but I have owned an E37s
Whats is that scale?
What would you rather have and why: A Baratza Sette 270Wi or a Niche Zero? Thanks.
Niche Zero for ease of use, reliability, noise level and grind quality
@@DaveCorbey I want to buy the Niche but I am having trouble justifying spending double for it compared to Sette 270. Does the Niche really have considerably better grind quality? The sette 270 seems to have a very strong backing. Is the grind quality for the niche that much better (2x better) than the grind quality for the sette 270?
it doesnt help that i live in canada so I have to pay duties and plus if the niche happens to have a problem how do i get it repaired? and how long does a little machine like this last? any chance it's ever on sale at all? :(
@@excellerateurbreath I don't like to compare one product against another especially as I have never properly reviewed a Sette. I did a comprehensive 15+ page review on the Niche, which I hope you have read (check out the review site, link in description). I love using the Niche and still use it every day, I have a large Ceado E92 (very expensive) which I no longer use. I do think the grind quality from the Niche is excellent, I'm sure you would like it.
Sette seems to have more issues with reliability but the company Baratza has good support and replacement parts.
Just wondering, you were given a model before this released. Wouldn't this have different tolerances to the standard mass produced models currently being sold?
I can't remember if the one in the vid was the prototype, but I moved to a US model for long term test almost 1 year before the grinder was released. It was made on production tooling, so should be the same. I have also tested a Japan model in recent months (been purposely over volting it by 10% for about 4 or 5 months now). Seems to work the same as this grinder in the Video.
Why use the Niche over that Ceado. Have a flavour preference?
Just easier when I have 3 or 4 different espresso machines on the bench and 3 different coffees. Can quickly and repeatably change grind setting as required. Also move between different coffees with no purging.
Oh geeze. I have another question. Would you rather have the Niche Zero or the Ceado E37SD?
I have had both and own a Ceado E92, I now only use the Niche
@@DaveCorbey could you expand in this; might save me a grand! Will I notice much of a difference in the cup between the Niche and Ceado?
@@kingoftheheath3755 see my reply to the other guy, I have a Ceadi E92 conical and I use the Niche. It's the workflow I love
I want to order the US version of this grinder but the website says current pre-orders are full for North American shipments... when will there be more slots available???😯
I really don't know, I have been testing the US variant for almost 4 months now to ensure no issues.
But would you consider selling that US spec version that you have been trying out?... after all, one couldn’t use it without a step down transformer in the U.K. or Europe...
It's not mine to sell, it's only with me for testing, at some point Niche will ask for it back. It will be up to them if they want to sell it as a grinder with the burrs properly broken in. If they do it would be a good buy, because it's works really good.
That’s good to know, but you have some cool connections to be able to play with those new grinders and review them online!
Dave, what was your pressure profile settings on the Vesuvius for that pull? I have a Vesuvius as well, so I was just a bit curious.
12 seconds 2 bar, 10s 10 bar, 8s 9 bar, 8s 8 bar, 5 sec 7 bar. global pump acceleration 300 (I think)
What is your coffee bean roaster brand name ?
I use the Amazon Dalian 1kg electric roaster. You can get them from Bella Barista if you are in the UK www.bellabarista.co.uk/coffee-roasters-for-sale/bellabarista-dalian-amazon-1-kg-roaster.html
I'm still loving your coffee machine :-)
Me too!
useful review. I currently use a Rancilio Rocky and need something quicker and quieter and had considered the Niche from the favourable reviews on coffeeforums - but it's really loud and slow. madam would kill me!
It's really not loud the camera mic used had lousy AGC which gives a false impression, also what's so important that a few extra seconds makes a huge difference. See if you can try one out for real, you might be very surprised.
@@DaveCorbey it's not so much speed of grind, it's duration of noise - a vvvvvrrrrrrsssshhhhh is better than a grgrgrgrgrggrgrgrgrggrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrggrgggrggggrggrggggrgrgrgrggrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrgrg the Atom 75E you reviewed for instance, is way quieter, although out of budget, but I guess the 65E Specialty would be equally quiet - a discussion for coffeeforums
@@grahamsopp I see, well a Niche grinder doesn't seem like it's going to be right for you. Sounds like you know what you want. 😊
You can't really tell how something sounds in videos, because gain / camera / mic placement as well as your own speaker volume changes, I've seen other videos where they say the Niche is pretty quiet, almost as quiet as the Eureka ones which are supposed to be really quiet.
what is the scale you have please? ti is cool. thanks
It is no longer made, it's a great scale and I don't know why they (Smartweigh) stopped making it.
was it a 50 second shot?! good luck with the taste
I suspect you don't have a pressure profiling espresso machine. If you ever get one then the different way to pull shots will start to make sense.
@@DaveCorbey sorry what machine are you using with pressure profiling?
@@peterpan69 The Machine in the Video was the ACS Vesuvius, it uses a gear pump and PID control of pressure (5 profiles each with 7 timed pressure stages). I also used it with my Lelit Bianca with needle valve paddle for manual pressure profiling, my ACS Minima dual boiler fitted with a Lelit variable needle valve and the current machine I'm testing at the moment a Crem One 2B R-LFPP adaptive profiling (or volumetric pressure profiling) machine. Any sort of profiling when compared to my other non profiling machines mostly has a much longer shot time than the usual 25-30seconds for a 2-1 ratio.
I do actually help design and test these things, as well as roasters, grinders etc..It's not really my first rodeo with espresso and espresso techniques.
@@DaveCorbey Are you planning on getting one of the Decent espresso machines too?
@@peterpan69 No.
Slightly unrelated but 11g for a single shot? I'm using 16g on a Classic (at a measured 12bar) but I think I'm pressing much harder on the tamp to get a 25s shot for a doppio. I'm using a mignon and happy with that hence not directly related to the niche!
I do drink Americanos from a mug and I prefer less than a sip of espresso. The real limit is of course the portafilter basket. That particular single has a ridge which means you can use any less than 11g or the tamper bumps up against the ridge and it won't tamp properly. There is no hard and fast rule on dosing, but most people up-dose a bit. Mignon is a good entry level grinder.
@@DaveCorbey I single dose my Mignon but am wondering whether it's time for a change, especially as I head towards a new machine. Is the Niche a definite step up from the Mignon?
@@kingoftheheath3755 Yes
People on Reddit are starting to say the Vario has a better grind quality than the Niche? True?
I've tested both and that is not what I found.
where do you get your coffee?
I roast my own coffee, I have a small 1Kg commercial roaster.
where do u buy the beans to roast?
@@maryellis3661 From wholesaler importers Wakefield's or Falcon
If you love it, why is it going back?
That's a great question. It was a prototype for testing prior to production. There were only a few of them. Of course they are now in production with almost 1000 grinders sold.
@@DaveCorbey Yeah, I finally figured that out last night after perusing the online coffee forums. If you liked it so much, why didn't you buy one? Still not ready for the prime time?
@@deele7991 You make a lot of assumptions...perhaps if you watch more videos.
@@DaveCorbey Ahhh, haha. I'm debating this grinder as my next grinder. Still on the fence since I think it needs some upgrading.
@@deele7991 What would YOU do to improve the Niche but keep it roughly at that price point Dave?
"still loving" means there was a point where you did not like it anymore...