I like the concept of Windows 365 thin client UNTIL you start paying $50 per month for using the device that you have just purchased - that's worse than cable TV. If the monthly cost were more reasonable, (to me that is less than $10/month) I would definitely be on board.
This is a strange offering. No monitor, no keyboard, no mouse, twice the price of a Chromebook, completely dependent on Internet, and can’t install Linux or full Windows. If it was $100…that would be great, but at $350 (plus the cost of O365), this isn’t a great solution compared to other options.
You missed something. The cost isn't merely $349 for the box, besides the peripheral costs you mentioned, the most basic cost tacks another $66 per month PER USER and more advanced setups can be $349 per month PER USER. Remember this is a subscription plan? You said "this isn't a great solution", I'd argue "This isn't even a good solution".
You can also run it off a smartphone such as one running Samsung DeX or Crosscall X-Space - just plug into into a monitor, keyboard and mouse via a USB-C connection that supports DisplayPort (dongle, dock or direct cable).
When I saw the images of this device I was hyped for a second, especially after apples Mac mini release, but after reading that it is a cloud pc all my interest died in a second 😂
$349 for a thin client? I can buy an actual new x86 PC for half that price, why would I pay so much for a thin client? I'd expect a $99 ARM box running Remote Desktop or something.
No thanks. The last thing i need is another constantly increasing subscription and a devive that becomes completely useless when bad weather is happening.
The more interesting announcement was the Windows ISO for ARM. Microsoft said it would be able to run on a Mc M-series chip. Apple has already said it has no problems with this. Now let's make it a VM on an M4 iMac to run custom apps for dermatology practice. They get to show off how hip they are with the iMac and at the same time they get to run their windows practice application for the members of the practice. I know a practice that is running their windows app in an emulator, and it is sluggish. This would solve that issue.
better still each student has a USB key with the saved state of their session, and they plug in and they would be able to pick up their session or have a fresh machine generated for that class with the software for that class. Student finished as the session is updated on the USB key, takes the USB key, and walk away to the next class.
We do the thin-client thing for a couple of users and where is falls down Microsoft teams. The users have to run it locally the flip-flop between the virtual desktop and Thier local teams which is a bit hack-y
I'll assume that people who can afford the device, the MS 365 subscription fees and the Link fees atop that, can find money for better internet speed. The most basic subscription plan is $66 per month PER USER. More advanced setups can go up to $349 per month PER USER. This is in addtion to your normal Microsoftt 365 monthly/yearly fees.
It would be a terrible idea as a replacement for a mom or grandma PC, actually. Why get some thin client with a sub fee when she can use a nice, secure Mac mini for one fairly low up-front cost? Plus, it remains useful when the internet goes out or is too slow for using a remote system very well.
I'm guessing that's why they brought use cases where thin clients / cloud computing would make most sense (eg. schools, public terminals) where needing to reset each session is more important than offline accessibility.
This isn't a consumer product at all - it's an enterprise product - it's a reinvented thin client, for use with VDI (virtual desktop) - which MS Rebrand their fully packaged product as Windows 365.
@@TheMrMarkW Good. But one of them did seem to suggest that it would make a good grandma computer since it (presumably) can't get viruses and all that too.
Recently Microsoft always- streaming- content for Flight Simulator 2024 is hot garbage. They released an apology video and said they never expected their servers to get taxed this much! I would not trust them on the always streaming PC content as well.
@@judewestburner No, and yes. You can do everything that you can do on a computer as long as you pay microsoft for a subscription or else it is just a black block
I'm watchin this news on my Linux Mint PC, 4 years I left M$ universe. I'm never going back to that s3|4 again. If i ever have a business, it will be all linux.
If local hardware was in limited availability/costly if maybe worth it BUT hardware is cheap, faster and safer than anything Microsoft is trying to sell here.
The initial equipment price of $349 isn't the only cost. The most basic subscription plan is $66 per month PER USER. More advanced setups can go up to $349 per month PER USER. The total outlay for a basic setup for two years is nearly $2,000 per USER. These costs are in addition to your monthly Microsoft 365 subscripton plan.
Meanwhile, in other news, Microsoft is in the middle of the worst cloud gaming release in human history with the total abject failure of Flight Simulator 2024. It's the best looking PC flight simulator that no one can use because their cloud infrastructure has collapsed under the load. Betting your business, large or small, on that magic computer in the sky is not the way to be successful.
Did you even watch the presentation? It is NOT "Arm", it is Intel. It is NOT for consumers. It is NOT like Chromebook. It is not possible with an "Arduino".
I like the concept of Windows 365 thin client UNTIL you start paying $50 per month for using the device that you have just purchased - that's worse than cable TV. If the monthly cost were more reasonable, (to me that is less than $10/month) I would definitely be on board.
For $50 per month I would hope that will include Office 365 suite
This is a strange offering. No monitor, no keyboard, no mouse, twice the price of a Chromebook, completely dependent on Internet, and can’t install Linux or full Windows. If it was $100…that would be great, but at $350 (plus the cost of O365), this isn’t a great solution compared to other options.
You missed something.
The cost isn't merely $349 for the box, besides the peripheral costs you mentioned, the most basic cost tacks another $66 per month PER USER and more advanced setups can be $349 per month PER USER. Remember this is a subscription plan?
You said "this isn't a great solution", I'd argue "This isn't even a good solution".
You can also run it off a smartphone such as one running Samsung DeX or Crosscall X-Space - just plug into into a monitor, keyboard and mouse via a USB-C connection that supports DisplayPort (dongle, dock or direct cable).
I've replaced my full setup with dex and remoting into more powerful machines when needed
I am using a Raspberry Pi 5 with 8 GB of RAM in my woodworking shop, and I am very satisfied. I can run SketchUp, Google Doc, and Office 365.
When I saw the images of this device I was hyped for a second, especially after apples Mac mini release, but after reading that it is a cloud pc all my interest died in a second 😂
$349 for a thin client? I can buy an actual new x86 PC for half that price, why would I pay so much for a thin client? I'd expect a $99 ARM box running Remote Desktop or something.
No thanks. The last thing i need is another constantly increasing subscription and a devive that becomes completely useless when bad weather is happening.
The more interesting announcement was the Windows ISO for ARM. Microsoft said it would be able to run on a Mc M-series chip. Apple has already said it has no problems with this. Now let's make it a VM on an M4 iMac to run custom apps for dermatology practice. They get to show off how hip they are with the iMac and at the same time they get to run their windows practice application for the members of the practice. I know a practice that is running their windows app in an emulator, and it is sluggish. This would solve that issue.
better still each student has a USB key with the saved state of their session, and they plug in and they would be able to pick up their session or have a fresh machine generated for that class with the software for that class. Student finished as the session is updated on the USB key, takes the USB key, and walk away to the next class.
We do the thin-client thing for a couple of users and where is falls down Microsoft teams. The users have to run it locally the flip-flop between the virtual desktop and Thier local teams which is a bit hack-y
The only questions I have are will end users get full versions of word, excel, and so on? What about people with super slow internet connections?
I'll assume that people who can afford the device, the MS 365 subscription fees and the Link fees atop that, can find money for better internet speed.
The most basic subscription plan is $66 per month PER USER.
More advanced setups can go up to $349 per month PER USER.
This is in addtion to your normal Microsoftt 365 monthly/yearly fees.
It would be a terrible idea as a replacement for a mom or grandma PC, actually. Why get some thin client with a sub fee when she can use a nice, secure Mac mini for one fairly low up-front cost? Plus, it remains useful when the internet goes out or is too slow for using a remote system very well.
I'm guessing that's why they brought use cases where thin clients / cloud computing would make most sense (eg. schools, public terminals) where needing to reset each session is more important than offline accessibility.
This isn't a consumer product at all - it's an enterprise product - it's a reinvented thin client, for use with VDI (virtual desktop) - which MS Rebrand their fully packaged product as Windows 365.
@@TheMrMarkW Good. But one of them did seem to suggest that it would make a good grandma computer since it (presumably) can't get viruses and all that too.
Why would your grandma even need a Mac Mini?
iPad or Chromebook would be best.
@@Tractshun She seems to prefer a desktop machine. As do I for most things.
I'd buy a Mac Mini Pro to use Windows365, and get the best of both Worlds (I can, right?)
Recently Microsoft always- streaming- content for Flight Simulator 2024 is hot garbage. They released an apology video and said they never expected their servers to get taxed this much!
I would not trust them on the always streaming PC content as well.
Will this box link up to regular remote desktop / terminal services???
@@judewestburner No, and yes. You can do everything that you can do on a computer as long as you pay microsoft for a subscription or else it is just a black block
@@anilv3724 You sure it can't just be bought and linked to a remote desktop farm? That would be rather surprising and handicapped
Microsoft NEEDS training data for AI, so....
I'm watchin this news on my Linux Mint PC, 4 years I left M$ universe.
I'm never going back to that s3|4 again. If i ever have a business, it will be all linux.
Citrix Desktop in the cloud
If local hardware was in limited availability/costly if maybe worth it BUT hardware is cheap, faster and safer than anything Microsoft is trying to sell here.
It’s a way for Microsoft to further monetize user data while having a subscription revenue stream. That’s what it all comes down to.
The initial equipment price of $349 isn't the only cost.
The most basic subscription plan is $66 per month PER USER.
More advanced setups can go up to $349 per month PER USER.
The total outlay for a basic setup for two years is nearly $2,000 per USER.
These costs are in addition to your monthly Microsoft 365 subscripton plan.
Is so funny when companies make products to please and serve them selfs instead of theirs clients. Obvious is going to be a flop.
Meanwhile, in other news, Microsoft is in the middle of the worst cloud gaming release in human history with the total abject failure of Flight Simulator 2024. It's the best looking PC flight simulator that no one can use because their cloud infrastructure has collapsed under the load. Betting your business, large or small, on that magic computer in the sky is not the way to be successful.
wow and peace be upon you sir from me
Terminal Server. New idea :)
Repeat after me: You will own nothing and be happy
I will be happy to own nothing! I will be happy to own nothing!. Got it! 👍😉
@@SpaceCadet4Jesuseven my toaster has security screws :-( why clean it ? Buy a new one 🤬
And how is this different from what we used to call "time sharing"? Oh, that's right - it's in "the cloud".
Did you even watch the presentation? It is NOT "Arm", it is Intel. It is NOT for consumers. It is NOT like Chromebook. It is not possible with an "Arduino".
It's possible with a 140$ n100 pc.