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- Did pirates ever use galleons? No they did not. No one during the Golden Age of Sea Roving used the galleon. It had gone extinct!
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Sources:
Spanish Galleon 1530-1690 - Osprey Publishing
The Truth Behind Pirate Myths - Benerson Little
The Buccaneer's Realm - Benerson Little
The Sea Rover's Practice - Benerson Little
Ringrose's account in Buccaneers of America - Basil Ringrose
Sharp's Expedition Into The South Seas - Bartholomew Sharp
Two Voyages to Campechy - William Dampier
0:00 Did Pirates Ever Use Galleons?
5:25 Other Spanish Ships
8:50 The Manila Galleon
9:53 Conclusion
10:43 Outro
#pirates #history #galleons
I'm sure in the future someone will state that Somali fishermen turned pirates would have used an aircraft carrier at least once as they were a type of offensive naval vessel.
Not a way I had ever considered it, but that puts it into great perspective
Lol
the Galleon is what comes to mind when thinking of a "pirate ship" because of movies, disney, etc, something like the Black Pearl, or the Queen's Ann Revenge or the Flying Dutchman, though in my mind the Galleon is just the name for any wooden ship that looks like that
queen anne was a frigate though
It was believed that Flying Dutchman was a Dutch Fluyt. Not a Galleon
@@CrimsonReq I think they called it a galleon because he added more cannons and turned it into the shape of a galleon
Galleons were massive ships of the line. They were slow unless ahead of wind, heavy, on maneuverable, and had several hundred sailors and several hundred non sailor combatants aboard them. Maybe as a flagship for directing a pirate fleet, but extremely unlikely.
@@405zx they called it a galleon because people are uneducated for the most part about sailing vessels and galleons were the biggest, flashiest, and most well known ships and the most likely name of a ship to have been heard of by landlubbers.
I think in general most people that aren't familiar with vessels think any large wooden vessel with sails is a pirate ship. In a way one couldn't blame them seeing that Galleons were heavily associated with treasure, being dubbed treasure ships.. But still, I find it hard to even picture a galleon flying a pirate flag. Not saying it never happened, it's just it wasn't common.
The thing I always thought of as a sailor myself is ease of access (draft, speed, maneuverability) and crew size plays a huge roll. You get less strategic value out of a huge square rig that can’t sail up wind efficiently, can hide in shallow drafts, and is too slow to chase down merchants. Big ships are made to stand and fight.
Most ships the size of a Galleon we are thinking of would take a small army to crew, a professional one at that I.e. the term “Man-o-War” comes to play. It’s the difference between Pirates today using dinghies and a countries Navy operating battleships. Smaller teams can work efficiently on less.
I would also assume their is too much diversity with golden age Pirates (we are humans after all) to get over 200 men to work together to fully utilize anything above a frigate. That’s more ship to manage, more mouths to feed, more men to arm and train, more parts to repair, more mutinies to quell etc. The logistics get worse the bigger the ships get.
That’s a lot of extra work for rovers who were already successful attacking bears like wolves.
A wolf may die but the pack will live on.
Yeah logistics play a huge part in pirate decision making. The bigger crews were usually several companies banded together and they used multiple ships
@@GoldandGunpowder right? Seem a lot easier to have a large body of ships with small self governing gangs. Literally the United States in the making.
I enjoyed the video. Galleons just have that "look" that immediately makes most of the public think Pirate ship since they are usually depicted in movies that way. The Black Raven Pirate ship here in St Augustine looks like a small Spanish galleon. I overheard plenty of tourists refer to the replica of Santa Maria as a pirate ship when it visited here! Lol! The marine archeology is helping paint a clearer picture of the Golden Age of Piracy as more shipwrecks are found. The treasure galleons that sank off of Ft Pierce and Sebastian Florida in 1715 were enormous in size! There are a couple of museums there with artifacts brought up from those wrecks. The marine archeologists on the tour do call them treasure galleons but as you point out it is a loose term for any Spanish sailing ship.
Yeah, those Treasure ships were called Galeones or Galleons, but they looked more like any ship of the line or large merchantman of the period, if not heavier top weight
I've heard many complaints from annoyed Tall Ship crews of people calling their vessels "pirate ships", it hurts how common it is.
According to some source's my clan used Galleons when they committed piracy, though I think they mainly had a big fleet of Birrlin ships as the clan was small and the ship's were more faster.
i imagine the galleon must have been used in the 1500s or early 1600s
Mainly in the Royal Navy and some seafaring Scottish clans
Pirates preferred prey that could not fight back. They also preferred fast ships to make the get-away when the navy showed up. Galleon is not the only naval term that has changed over time. The definition of what constitutes a frigate has also changed. Frigates of today and the frigates of the age of sail serve two completely different purposes for two completely different styles of naval warfare. What we call a ship of the line has also changed.
frigate in the late 1700s and early 1700s wasnt the same either, let alone in the early 1600s when it was a rowboat lol
Some tidbits about renaissance trans-oceanic ships:
-Caravels didnt crry cannons, at least for coastal or naval combat, why? Because caravels were literally super focused on navigating the coast of africa against counter winds, that was their original purpose, they didnt even have much space as the sailors could still somewhat relly on supplies in the coast.
-Naus (Carracks in english) and Galleons (that are essentially Naus 2.0) weren't used in line of battle tactics (something that took way longer to figure out), but surprisingly, in one of Portugals wars in India, in the initial phase of the build up of the portuguese indian domain, we find the first record of line of battle tactics.
-Naus and Galleons have very high castles because they were still built according to a medieval naval warfare mindset. Cannons were set to point almost in all directions, and the designers hoped that by having tall structures, the ships were to be used like a mobile fortress. Their height was their doom, in part, when spain invaded england in 1588, the english ships were shallower and had cannons focused on maximizing the lenght of the ship, so when they got close to a nau or carrack, there wasnt much they could do as their lower decks were anihilated.
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Water fortress may have been ineffective in that particular situation, but that idea never went away. I have read one or two examples of larger or less agile ships being run aground to be used as actual fortresses. And though not a Galleon didn't blackbeard use his Queen Ann's Revenge as a sort of fortresses during a blockade? It's interesting. I'll have to look into this more.
i don’t get how it’s supposed to sail against the wind tho please detail 😭
@@InSayne Bit late, but since no-one else has explained:
By putting the sail at an angle halfway between the direction of travel and the wind, the sail behaves in the same manner as an aeroplane's wing, producing "lift" in a horizontal plane parallel to the boat's direction of travel. You can't sail directly into the wind, but modern sailboats can get as close into the wind as 30 degrees, and even square-rigged ships could manage 45 degrees off the wind. By zig-zagging through the wind, you can overall sail in the direction of the wind. This is called tacking.
We were workshopping a play so we were doing research about the Manila Galleon Trade, these galleons were so big that they had to press gang about 400-500 native Filipinos to sail them. Also they needed that many hands because most of the crew would die before arriving in Mexico. In those days they knew latitude (so they could reliably find the Mexico-to-Philippines current and make the trip reliably in about 3 months) but longitude wasn't discovered yet. The minute they no longer had sight of land, they had no idea where they were and how close they were to Mexico. The trip to Mexico could take anywhere from six months to a year and a half. The "rice bowl" of central Luzon used to be a jungle but the trees were cut down to build these ships. If one can distance oneself from the inhumanity of it all, it's fascinating.
I think this is great, I always get alot of arguments when I say that galleons from the golden age aren't really galleons. There were a couple things that looked similar to a galleon on later ships, but I always thought that was more of a style thing, I'm glad I was close to right about that.
The Galleon!!! I truly love this type of ship as well as your channel. Even if I already knew that Galleons were not really used by pirates, I still love this ship. They became well known here in Philippines because of the Spaniards who came and traded here.
thats fine just as long that you're aware it went extinct after 1650
Your research is impressive. I can’t watch a single one your videos without learning something new.
Great video as allways, I just have one question. Wasn't Henry Evary's ship (the fancy) named a galleon in the records? Also could you do a video on Black Sam Bellamy, the guy is like one of my favorites pirates from that era and I would love to learn more about him.
Henry Avery's Fancy was never called a galleon. Anyone that calls her that is a hack. Her type is rather vague, but you'd get away with calling her a frigate. I will do a video series(similar to the Blackbeard series) on Samuel Bellamy sometime next year
@@GoldandGunpowder hmm, that's pretty intresting, all my life I just thought it was a galleon
aye its why i made this video, a lot of misconceptions out there in regards to the galleon, and i think it needs to stop being popularized this much. i thought galleons were in use during the period for the longest while aswell
@@GoldandGunpowder I once read an article on Blackbeard that referred to the Queen Anne’s Revenge as a galleon. It was cringe.
yeah some fuckers said that on YT aswell i think
Perhaps you shud make an episode on the spanish navy or somethink like that had to fight the pirates and their crews
Great video, i discovered your channel a few weeks ago and i really like the idea of someone to explain facts about pirates and their way of life, also the quality of the videos is really good. Keep up the good work!
thank you, glad you enjoy the videos
Just found this channel. Great content 👍
You know, for all their popularity throughout is, the Galleon, from what I've read anyway, don't have a good track record of staying alive.
Take for example Christopher Columbus. He had about 3 carracks sail for the West and only one came back.
Magellan had 5 carracks and only one came back home, circumnavigating the world while they were at it.
And of course, the Spanish Treasure fleet. But their large sizes, cargo, and trips seem to always end in disasters, it's amazing to think how the Spanish government continued to use these even when they were being sunk.
Of course I am possibly most ignorant, but still. These giant ships, so highly praised, seem like an anchor around the throats of each man aboard.
The early carracks/galleons were pioneering vessels, first of their kind doing the first world exploration, so failure and high risk rate is to be expected
The biggest problem with galleons is that they were top-heavy, very top-heavy. They were prone to capsizing as they relied on the cargo for ballast so a galleon would often successfully arrive and unload in it's destination port but then get sunk or destroyed on the way back home because it was running empty.
Also, the things were a bitch to maneuver, in addition to their aforementioned weight issues their sails were oversized to compensate for their loaded weight and so it took a lot more manpower and labor to work the sails so maneuvers like performing frequent tacks (important for catching up to or running from another vessel) was out of the question, the rigging was built to keep a steady speed, not to be maneuvered hard. Also galleons were steered by a whipstaff which is far less efficient than the ship's wheel (which wasn't mainstream on ships until the second half of the golden age of piracy) or a tiller and often would only allow for turning the rudder 15 degrees while sloops with tillers could turn their rudders 45 degrees or more. As someone who actually owns a sailboat I can tell you that when performing a sharp maneuver (especially at slower speeds or while trying to leave dock) 15 degrees is often not enough rudder to compensate for other forces present and you'll often initially drift to the side due to the wind until you can get underway even with the rudder turned all the way (which until a certain point only can slow the drift), and that's only on a small 15' modern sailboat, close quarters turns with that sort of terrible rudder performance on a year 1600 galleon is out of the question. A galleon's rudder, just like it's rigging, is less for maneuvering as it is to maintain a steady course when already underway. Sloops responded to the rudder much better and could angle their rudders much more and more quickly, which added to their maneuverability in addition to being easier to angle the sails, and if the sails were mounted on a self-tacking boom then it was only all the easier.
The Spanish Armada sent to invade England was easily defeated because of how unmanuverable galleons are. Fire ships got sent their way, they could not maneuver in time to avoid them or the ship next to them and just ended up crashing into each other. If the Spanish were using literally any other ship type they probably would have succeeded. Galleons are not fighting vessels by any means, they were built with the same philosophy as modern mega container ships and supertankers where they are big, slow, can't maneuver much, and are meant to do little but maintain a steady course to deliver freight across the ocean. So using a galleon as a fighting ship is equivalent to arming a supertanker and then attempting to take it into battle, the idea sounds cool but is impractical in every sense of the word.
The advent of the ship's wheel is what made the larger pirate ships of the late Golden Age possible, the Ship's Wheel finally allowed larger ships to make sharp rudder turns which greatly enhanced maneuverability and then frigate-like vessels became more of a viable option to pirates. Jibsails and staysails and boom-mounted sails also became more common on larger vessels around this time which made the upwind performance of larger ships a little bit better. Jibsails + the ship's wheel are basically what made ships like the Queen's Anne's Revenge possible.
Great content, helping out on the algorithm
Ah. Much better tempo and relaxed narration. *And* the CC was in english! Woohoo.
Interesting stuff.
My grandfather went to sea as a cabin boy in the early 1900s. He traveled the world several times over. At each port he would go ashore and play his concertina for tips. He also learned, and was quite good at carving and painting while sailing around.
He died the year before I was born. My dad used to tell me stories about him. Like, to the day he died, when he ate a meal. He would hold his bread in one hand and tap it on the table constantly. So, my dad asked him why he did that. My grandpa replied, "To knock the weevils out of my bread." A necessity when traveling on the old wooden ships at sea. He would stop if someone brought it to his attention. But it was a habit so important he did it all his days without being aware he was doing it.
And don't even get me started on his love for the drink. As I understand it, his drinking would infuriate my grandmother. But, he was a good hearted old teddy bear. He would come home teetering from side to side from his "seaman's walk, for lack of a better term, singing at the top of his lungs, more than tipsy and happy. So, all was forgiven by the next day. His drinking was never a problem. As a matter of fact. He was in the Secret Service in Chicago during prohibition. Apparently, Al Capone put a hit out on all of the agents in his office once. My grandpa had to move his entire family to Wisconsin until things cooled down.
Years later, in the early 60s. My oldest brother became on of the youngest captain merchant seamen in the U.S. He knew our grandfather very well - being much older than me. And the stories my grandfather told him about life at sea and the things he saw and did while in ports around the world caused my brother to join the Sea Scouts. And when he was young, he took part in restoring the Star of India that has been permanently berthed in San Diego Harbor for almost 100 years. After graduating high school, my brother went to the Maritime Academy at Vallejo, California. Where he graduated top in his class. I remember my dad loading all of us kids and my mom in the car and going down to the docks at San Diego Harbor to meet him when his training ship "The Golden Bear" arrived. That was so cool.
sdmaritime.org/visit/the-ships/star-of-india/
Thank you for sharing your story with us, shame you never got to met him. My grandfather was a ship's cook and I never got to meet him either sadly
@@GoldandGunpowder _The Scourge Of The Mariner's Hardtack Weevil_ . LOL. Sounds like a title for a bit about what mariners had to balance on during their long weeks and months at sea. It certainly wasn't rum and mutton in wine sauce under glass every night. Grin
Oh, and I have been on the Star of India. Sitting in the hot summer sun, the odor of tar is most disagreeable below decks. It's so stifling the air is almost unbreathable. But it is a fascinating experience nonetheless. If you're ever in San Diego, take a tour. You wont regret it. I don't know what the price of admission is. But, like everything else that worth anything I'll bet the get top dollar. But, the money goes for maintenance, so there's that.
_Eight bells and all's well_
I can see where the confusion comes from. They called treasure ships galleons and the sinking of a fleet of them was a significant event in the golden age. Well, like scaly reptilian dinosaurs, pirate galleons are too engrained, it's unlikely to change any time soon.
its about time people stop being lazy consoomers, stop supporting pop culture and support or create a new historically accurate pirate canon
@@GoldandGunpowder well, i doubt people really care
aye its why we live in a shit society
Pirate galleons are too engrained along with pirates singing sea shanties. The image of pirates singing sea shanties on a galleon specifically. It's a really hilarious image given that galleons came BEFORE pirates and sea shanties were not a thing until AFTER pirates.
Feathered dinosaurs are a very recent myth. There is no evidence to support the theory. They came up with it in the hope it will stop everyone from pointing out the obvious fact that there is no link between birds and dinosaurs. Not that it matters since bird fossils were found in layers way under dinosaur layers, making some birds millions of years older than the youngest dinosaurs according to their theory of evolution which has been killed several times now by science and evidence. It's only kept on life support with taxpayer money by the state, as THE state religion. Time to put on our big boy pants and pull the plug already on this Frankenstein's God-denying teddy bear that's been sewn back together wrong, way too many times.
I think galleons were used and built to a later date than 1650. The 1680s-1700s seems the cut off point for tall narrowing poop decks. I would define it as 250-300 tons minimum, two gun decks minimum (at least one exposed), but not optimized for more than 30-50 guns (or it becomes a pure warship), 3-4 masts (two with only square sails), plus a forecastle. The broad beam for cargo, tall tapering poop deck, and under 50 cannons for the cargo role (unless really huge?) are pretty unique to that style of ship.
These videos makes me always happy
i am glad to hear lad have some scrumpeh
@@GoldandGunpowder Oi thanks
Thank you! Great video, very informative!
"... because she (Santisima Trinidad) didn't carry a single cannon"
The later Santisima Trinidad: and I took that personally, let's fit 140 cannons in 4 decks
Thank you for the video!
Please keep doing this content it doesn't matter if "a few people watch it" it's very good content
thank you thats very kind
I am so glad this channel gets views!
Great video! In a previous video, can’t remember, you mentioned an 80 year old buccaneer, is there more to his story?
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@@GoldandGunpowder Aye! Thanks very much!
Thanks for the video, glad to see popular images on galleons being corrected. Out of curiosity, how late (plausibly) would you say a galleon of the 'stereotypical' high-sided appearance may have survived in use? As you say, the ship class itself went obsolete by about 1650, but would it have been possible for an individual galleon (like the Nuestra Seńora de la Pura y Limpia Concepción which was refitted as a galleon in 1639) to still be used by someone during the late 1600s or even the first decade of the 1700s, assuming it had survived that long? I don't know much about the feasible lifespan of wooden ships during this period.
I'd say they'd be dead by the 1650s, sadly
@@GoldandGunpowder So would Spain, etc. have simply scrapped any remaining galleons of the old style after the 1650s? The 'Nuestra Señora' that I mentioned above was initially built in 1620 and (at least from an illustration I saw) seems to have retained certain stereotypical galleon features, namely a higher than average stern structure, prominent beak, and lateen-rigged mizzen mast. She was in service until being wrecked in 1641, so that's why I wondered whether she (or a similar style vessel) might have been retained in service longer if she hadn't been lost. What was the average workable lifespan of a galleon during this period?
I don't know I've never heard or read about any galleons and I don't know how long they would have lasted. There wouldn't be any left by 1700 thats for sure
@@GoldandGunpowder Fair enough, thanks for your replies, and again for the interesting video.
@@GoldandGunpowder I found an interesting period illustration of the Portuguese galleon 'Padre Eterno', which was launched in 1663. It's not as distinctive as galleons of a century before, but she still had a somewhat high-angled stern castle, low (but still noticeable) forecastle, and quarter-gallery at the stern. So I guess Portugal, at least, was still including bits of older design features in their galleons beyond 1650. Here is the illustration: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Gravura_do_Padre_Eterno_na_entrada_do_rio_Tejo%2C_em_Portugal%2C_no_livro_Description_de_l%27Univers_%281683%29.jpg
Don't blame me, but Galleons are my favorite!
:( There was a few famous pirate who had a galleon, and they wasn't that bad at all. I really like the ship's look, and there was a few wich was much bigger and stronger than a regular one.
I've also read that galleons were used against pirates, so if a pirate whould fight with another one, it should be good. Also it's a little bit depends on wich date they wrote ofc. It was good, until biggest and strongest ships came in.
Even our opinion isn't the same, I still love this video! Great job, going to watch more of them :))
Nope not a single pirate used a galleon during the Golden Age of Piracy. It's not my opinion, it's an historical fact. I have my sources in the video description. If you'd like to know more I can point you further on demand.
Hey can I suggest that you combine playlists into larger categories so it's easier to "binge watch" the channel? Especially important listening in background mode while working. It'll increase your views and a couple other things. Thanks
At the home page of my UA-cam channel you can click "Play All" below the latest upload to view the entire playlist of uploaded videos
Thanks again mate
I have galleons in my fictional writings but I only really use them as wrecks, old repurposed treasure ships or ghost ships.
Not the information we needed but the information we deserved!
how the truth often is
That ironic moment when they recently recovered a pirate galleon this month
if you're speaking about the shipwreck from articles like the one below, it was not a pirate shipwreck, but a cargo ship of the spanish treasure fleet...belonging to the spanish state...a type of ship which I discussed in the video, and explained that pirates never used...
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hoard-of-priceless-treasures-recovered-from-350-year-old-spanish-shipwreck/ar-AA10fPKR
😊imagine living back in them days on one of those beautiful wooden ships,the smells of blood ,gun powder , splinters of wood flying around ,the screams of dieing men ,the clashes of swords hitting each other ,gun shots ! Just another day at the office !
...dying of an infected cut at age 28.
"Did pirates ever use galleons? Short answer, no."
Next can you make a video on fun things to do to people who when they see a galleon point at it and say
"Look! A pirate ship!"
great job ! keep up the work ! :)
thanks man, im glad you enjoy it, you've no idea how much i appreciate your support
Very interesting video, I find it for the most part well documented.
Yet, at least the spanish kept using galeones aside from urcas, fragatas and corbetas.
And I dont mean that they kept calling them galeones while it could be another type of ship, they still where the kind of ships that you claim dissapeared in the 1650s.
There are surviving period depictions and descriptions that clearly show them. Take ,for example, a look to the "blueprint"(not really a blueprint in the modern sense, just a profile picture of the ship with some of its parts indicated) of "Nuestra Señora de la Mar" from 1695.
In that document, although it first calls it just a ship ("navío") it later refers to it as a galeón.
nice spanish pronunciation!
PD: its very strange not hearing your tradicional sound fx
thank you, i include the fx sparsely now, when i find them fitting
You know come to think of it technically pirates did use galleons.
During the sixteen hundreds the entire population of Spain consisted of pirates.
Funny, but not strictly accurate, the Spanish were not taking ships or commiting theft on the high seas, they were plundering the lands. A better description would be bandits or highwaymen.
Or colonists.
6:47 OH THAT BEAUTIFUL PRONUNCIATION
Ah my clan used Galleys then as there ship's were more smaller. But they did plundered treasure Galleons
Galleons are shitty pirate ships anyway, when pirates did get their hands on larger ships they were typically brigantines or frigates or a merchant ship of frigate-like construction (such as the French slaver ship Concorde which was essentially built like a frigate which later became the Queen Anne's Revenge), frigates and brigantines were fast enough and well armed enough for pirates brave or crafty enough to capture one to want to use it.
A well armed Brig , could easily outclass a Merchant galleon in Firepower , and outrun a War-Galleon, in the Golden age .
No because the galleon didn't exist and the firepower on pirate vessels were very low, they used light cannon that were unable to damage ship hulls
@@GoldandGunpowder The Spanish kept using name Galleon on their Large ships Late into the 18th Century , and there was multiple types of Galleons too.
Sid meiers pirates is one love 😍 - old pirate classic game from where it began
0:57 is that a schooner?
can you please make a video on the xebec (chebec) usually uesed by Barbary corsairs?
no
@@GoldandGunpowder congratulations, you just won an unsubscription because of your very polite way of answering. Keep it coming.
The ending … hmmm..
Could it be *Berzerk* manga !?
The old *OG Anime* I believe !¡!
Question i recently got a game called assassins creed black flag i got a pirate ship the dialogue suggest its a “brig”where there actually a brig ship in that era 1650-1670 period im kinda going through a pirate ship faze right now
yes brigs were a real ship
@@GoldandGunpowder oh cool sorry about my earlier comment that was kinda dumb on my part 😅
I can see pirates and privateers using galleons if it were the flagship of their fleet if they had a fleet maybe
I discovered your channel just a few days ago and I have been binging a lot of these episodes. They are full of interesting details that Me and others may not have known before.
There is one question I want to ask. You did talk a bit about how the galleon design became extinct in 1650, and that ships at this time were more flat and straight. Knowing a bit about ships before, especially around ships between the HMS Sovereign of the Seas in 1637 and to the Restoration warships of around 1670, what would the chances of discussing the evolution of ship design here?
To my understanding, at least, it started with the HMS Sovereign, one of the first first rates with 3 decks and 100 cannon, but was a poor sailor. From the more common depiction of her from Payne, the main deck and other upperworks (looked like decks above the gundecks). And according to others who sailed on her, she was razeed of these upper decks and made the gun decks below them exposed, and would make this ship much more stable and some say she sailed like a frigate (and was still a 3 decker with fore and aft castles). So perhaps the change from taller ships to more flat ships started during the restoration age of england's navy?
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. The evolution of ships from the galleon started with the English navy, as you said, but also with the Dutch, who began building their flat-bottomed flutes. Flutes were adapted in other countries like France, Sweden and ofcourse Spain, as discussed in the video.
@@GoldandGunpowder Ah, i am aware about that. However, most still see pirate ships as thise with large broad ships with tall fore and aft castles. Most of the depictions of the Queen Anne's Revenge, for example, have uncredibly tall aft castles and made to be galleon like.
I do think it would be a decent video explaining more about the evolution of ships between 1600 to 1730. And I may be able to loan a book called "The Master's Shipwright's Secrets" my richard endsor, which covered the ships of the english navy during the stuart restoration
Yeah, Many sturdy Spanish Galleon is made in Philippines during there Occupation Because of our Special wood tree Called Narra but it was not documented well....what a shame
Hmmm i really never understood what ship type is a galleon after the galleon was replaced was it a man o war or still a galleon
Man of War is not a ship type, it refers to the purpose of a vessel
why didn't the pirates use the plundered ships to carry all the cargo (and put their pirogues on the deck)?
There were certain vessels called "tenders", which was a vessel manned by a small crew and used for carrying extra supplies and presumably cargo, so that the main vessel could be fast and light enough to engage in chases. Tenders were usually just sloops(since everyone pretty much only used sloops in the Caribbean)
May be a silly question, especially considering I am a sailor, but is a barque the same as a barge?
no barges are flat boats used for river travel
That was quick, I was thinking I'd never heard of a sea faring barge, though I do know of a couple that have done short coastal trips.
Jack Sparrow: I’ve heard of one, supposed to be very fast, nigh uncatchable…….. The Black Pearl.
“Me” back then: 😀 Oooooooh!
“Me” today: 😒 Pfffffffffffft!
she got dem oars doe
Still, not enough to reach the speed everyone claims she has. She’s still a Galleon, she fights like a tiger but moves like a cow.
i thought she was a merchantman
One article in Wikipedia described her as an East Indiamen Galleon, which makes sense since Sparrow used to work for Lord Cuttler Beckett of the East India Trading Company. If you ask me, she looks more like a Galleon if anything else, even though her sections are not that raised. Who knows, maybe I’m wrong! It is a work of fiction by Disney after all, it is anything but accurate.
How many pirates RL had a Galleon and kept her up until his or his ship's final days or swished her for a smaller vessels did it happen regularly
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no, no pirate ever used a galleon and the galleon went extinct by 1650
@@GoldandGunpowder 😑 So this mythical beasts where basically floating tanks that if you get one your are basically untouchable but with a big literally big target on your stern with everyone be it Navy,Hunter or Rat hunting for you 🤔
And the only way to survive this seas is to get something that's a size of an Ant weaker but
Faster ?
Though the explanations are reasonably accurare, the pictures are nearly all incorrectly matched with the voiceover.
what is the biggest type of pirate ship that remains efficient to plunder other ships?
I’m guessing Frigates? Some frigates of those days were huge compared to that of the Napoleanic Era. I may be wrong.
Ok so a quick rundown on "ship types" during the age of sail and GAoSR.
Vessel refers to any seagoing craft.
If it has less than three masts, it is NOT a ship, it is a boat or a sailboat.
So vessels with three masts(and a primarily square rigging) were called ships, or full-rigged ships. They were for the most part, literally just called that - full rigged ships. Basically, "ship" was a ship type. Confusingly, the word ship was often haphazardly thrown around as a synonym for "vessel" aswell during the period. But technically, it was only three-masted vessels.
Actual ships could weigh anything between 100-600 tons, probably more. There wasn't a standardized weight for any "type" of vessel during the Age of Sail. Some sloops weighed 6 tons, others weighed 100. So you can't say there was a "biggest type of pirate ship" used, that all depends.
Disappointingly, the biggest/heaviest pirate ships you'd find in history, won't have a "type" that's clear to us, but would simply have been referred to as "ships"(meaning full-rigged ship). They include Sharp's Trinity, weighing 400 tons, and I think Henry Avery's Fancy weighed around 500-600. Blackbeard's QAR weighed 400 aswell I think.
Basically, there's a lot more to factor in than just "type", which is a vague and too modern term to be used to properly explain the history. For example, just because a ship is heavier, doesn't mean its faster or slower than a lighter one. The fastest vessels of the time were full-rigged ships, since they simply had more sail. But they also required a larger and more skilled crew to properly sail, since the rigging of a full-rigged ship is quite complicated.
Frigate which I see thrown around all the time, usually just referred to a speedier hull construction during the 1600s, not the purpose of a vessel. It wasn't really a type during the 1600s, moreso a classification. A ship was "frigate-built". AFAIK, only full-rigged ships were ever frigate-built.
@@GoldandGunpowder Black Bart had many huge ships out of his 400+ no doubt?
like 200 of those 400 were fishing boats
@@GoldandGunpowder Some damn fine potential business right there
Aye!
Always think these types of ships always capsize. Doesn’t look well balanced at seas. One wave and it falls over.
That's why you had to load them up with a lot of cargo(the treasure ships)
@@GoldandGunpowder Yeah i always thought that until mid way your video explained how they keep it balanced. Thanks learned alot!!
The later definition of a "bark" is NOT a "full rigged ship". A "bark" , from the late 1700s on was a three masted vessel, square rigged on the fore and main masts, and fore and aft rigged on the mizzen. A "ship" is a vessel with three masts, square rigged on all three masts. I will not quibble about definitions before this period, but from the late 1700s on any old shellback would laugh at anybody who called a bark a full rigged ship.
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Pirates mainly used sloops because they had a shallow draught and could go places where the Royal Navy etc couldn’t go.
Though, are Galleys different to Galleons?
Yes, galleys are not meant for seafaring but for coastal operations and they are primarily propelled by oars. They were used in the Mediterranean and Baltic until the 19th century. In the Caribbean they used half-galleys, as mentioned in the video
This is really a question of terminology, place and time-frame. Do you mean Galley in the sense of the war galleys of, say, the Battle of Lepanto, vs the 'classical' Galleon of the Spanish Armada? Here the names denote VERY different types of ship.
However, at earlier times (1200s to early 1500s) Galleon seems to have been used to denote a sub-type of war galley.
Later Galley could also be applied to any vessel carrying oars even if the vessel was mostly of 'conventional' square rigged design (e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whydah_Gally , to keep things pirate-y).
Then during the early to mid 1500s you have all sorts of weird transitional types... for example the English ship Antelope (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_ship_Antelope_(1546) 1546-1649) was built as a Galleass and later rebuilt as a Galleon...
As far as I know,, the first Filipino settlers in America was by the lost or either wrecked galleon ship...
It is true, those were the large manila galleons I speak about in the end of the video. The galleons didn't have to get lost or wrecked however. They stopped in Acapulco, Mexico, where a few sailors got off and stayed.
@@GoldandGunpowder there's no concrete proof.. that's just what I heard or maybe viewed in other documentaries... Pls Check other related videos for references coz I forgot
You won't see a galleon anywhere in Naval Action.
sounds like they were the Short Bus of the times...
aye and sloops were the clown car(didn't you comment that on the sloop video or was that someone else?)
So Does this means Pirates have Sloops, Skiffs and Schooners?
schooners not so much, never heard "skiffs" mentioned in the context of piracy, for the sloop, watch my video on it
@@GoldandGunpowder Can you look up Imaginext Pirate Skiff or Imaginext Shark Skiff?
Didn’t Henry Morgan use a galleon as his flagship? I think it was called the Oxford, and was classified as a fifth rate.
not a galleon, she also blew up right after he acquired her
i don't rely mind the consept of the pirate galion as i understand why its populare in to have big beutiful ships in fiction. but i wuld like to se some media with more realistic ships. and its not even like pirates didn't use larger ships they used galles and frigates just not galions
I like how you don't call Drake a pirate. Anyone who directly serves the navy of a country is definitely not a Pirate.
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Also, fluit just means flute, literally.
Not just in ship terms but also like the instrument.
Was that a troll face?
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If you look at seafaring Scottish clans coat of arms like my clan, they have a Galleon on them
I've seen the symbol on several Celtic coats of arms. I think it might be a medieval cog
Uhm I’m no historian boss but pirates DID in fact steal and sail galleons mainly from the Spanish which is what heavily influenced the Pirates of the Caribbean films. While they were not as common as depicted in the fictional universe pirates sailed galleons, frigates, brigs, and most often sloops. As much as I enjoy this content it low key irks me that this channel takes creative liberties when it comes to historical content. Also galleons were definitely a recognized class of ship during the 18th century because the Spanish fleet of 1715 comprised of multiple galleons filled with exotic goods and treasure.
So Captain Sparrow never used that thing
What we know about pirates is a lie I know fuck all about pirates lol
Then hopefully you have learned something
There's several languages where the word Oerka/Urka/Orka is the name for killer whales
Lol, "pirates". Companies thriving on slavery, plunder, extorsion and destruction. And then when they get robbed they call them "pirates". I think that somewhere in history the definition "pirates" got skewed. 😂😂
Next video black sail pirates 👍👍👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤
nope
Did pirates use galley frigates?
yes video on them coming in a bit
@@GoldandGunpowder Thank you. I'll be looking forward to it.
@@GoldandGunpowder Thank you. I'll be looking forward to it.
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03:20, it's a minor point, but I notice that you have the American habit of saying a nonsense number instead of the Centuries. I'm qualified in history in Europe, and that's not how we talk academically, that would be seen as bad. I've also had to teach English before and had to explain to students when I was teaching numbers what these incoherent numbers mean, because as you know no other language says numbers like that. Maybe the French with refusing to count past 60 and say Sixty-Fifteen instead of 75, but that is not translated like that into other languages.
When I asked my Dad as a child what someone quoting him "Fifteen hundred" meant, my Dad explained to me those are numbers that people without much education use among themselves, those are not numbers in formal English, only in colloquial or informal English. This is why we were not taught to say numbers like that in school also.
First it was American "cultural" historians who, as you know as postmodernists, they don't care about historiography or methodology in any way, so they stopped saying the Centuries properly in the late 1990s, like on TV and so on, but in academia and in Europe, Australasia, South Africa, India and so on with the English spoken there, people still call this "Eighteen Hundreds" you mention as the 19th Century, as I am sure you do in your own native language.
Fluit :)
you misspelled it
@@GoldandGunpowder lmao i'm just trying to annoy you with the dutch pronounciation
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