I’ve just started studying this piece and it didn’t occur to me that changing the fingering was an option. I had assumed that Chopin’s fingering was part of the study. Thanks for doing this Josh, much appreciated.
Paul Barton also has a very good tutorial for this study (the one with 5 stages, if you look for it). But the idea behind is the same, so I am grateful for having Josh Wright and Paul Barton as teachers :) When I was in music school I really needed their advices, but then there was no google, not to mention youtube.
This will be the second of your valuable tutorials I will get. Having played this Etude for many years has allowed me as a lefthander to build up strength in the right hand. As you recommend, I made big gains playing the upper notes in a good legato way, while holding the fingers in the position of the lower notes of the chords without playing them.
Have you tried Arm rotation in (toward the thumb) on the chords in the RH? (Invisible in the end.) Also, check the correct rotation on each 16th note, again invisible in the end.
Your videos are the best! While you certainly desire and deserve to make a living by sharing your gifts, you obviously care more about helping anyone with your tremendous gifts. Above all you are distinguished by a willingness to seek answers rather than pretend that you can do everything perfectly. Arrau once managed to have dinner with Horowitz, hoping for advice about how to transcend the problems in a Scriabin Sonata (which Horowitz championed). All Horowitz could think of saying was that Arrau might play it a little slower!
very good study for egality and mostly strength of the three weak-fingers ( right hand ) j like very well op10-4 also egality of five fingers of two hands .
when i used cortot fingering which uses the pinky whenever possible i found the hand had slight twist alternating right to left every bar this and being relaxed enough that fingers 1 2 are seperate unit from 345 helped up to a point next was the top note of the chords but dropping or leaning on it at same time us the left rotation to pluck off the bottom two notes and releasing fast and up slightly to drop through the next notes and so forth. i find the pinky nail is almost right angles to the keys alot of time and its the grasping motion or hand posture that gets you furthest. have to get those fingers working high and curled at first then never leave the surface to get the speed its all minimum effort. saying all this my journey so far i still suck at the timing and get bogged down or tense on the chords but i blame the left hand for that haha getting stuff to work together is something i should have done from the start... doubt this would help anyone but made you think ;)
Patrezia Jozwic yes i overthink everything i love challenges and solving problems :) and piano is never ending supply of challenges and problems you need to think about. sometimes I can switch off and things flow really well. Im definitely a beginner :) if you arnt beginning your finishing hehe
Patrezia Jozwic I have seen radically different hand positions for this piece in particularly and certainly many concert pianists take a different position than their usual for it as well ofc it should be natural in the hands no matter the finger choices but at the same time there is no getting around its awkwardness as a whole it needs alot of practice and as a beginner I chose it to help get the last 3 fingers working and I play 10 1 cause i didnt enjoy learning playing arpegios ..overall im really pleased and amazed with my progress because of these pieces and there great fun too very beautiful at 50 percent speed when you have the touch and phrasing working.
The moment I suddenly came to the point (after a shitload of practice)which I was actually able to somewhat comfortably play this in 144bpm was simply one of the happiest moments in my life as a musician😅😂
@ It`s not a matter of hours unfortunately, but months….I actually try to warn students about starting this piece. You end up using a bucketload of time (which you could used to build useful repetoire instead) on a piece which only last for a minute, is insanely difficult to play but actually do not sound that impressive.
When trying this etude my 3,4,5 fingers just say NO! I'm not sure if I am too weak or if I'm having a bad hand position, but I can't play this piece fast at all. Not even in slow-mo, my fingers doesn't respond to my will. While I could perform a piece like fantasie-impromtu 2x the speed.
Twisting happens when the wrist breaks the unity with the arm and you turn the hand to the right side. You should also avoid to curling the fingers in this study and make sure to release them too.
I have a problem with “cheating a little bit is okay because no one will notice and it relieves tension.”. There’s a reason why Chopin wrote it this way: for you to learn how to conquer it. You miss the point by taking shortcuts.
OK for op10-2 - op10-4- op10-12 and also op25-2 : with three work of piano those four studies can be worked as exercices very good for a biginner pianist
Remember when i said Op.25 no.6 was my ultimate nightmare ?? i take it back, this thing is a beast lol
*Once you attempt this you know exactly what you are capable of as a pianist* good luck!
I’ve just started studying this piece and it didn’t occur to me that changing the fingering was an option. I had assumed that Chopin’s fingering was part of the study.
Thanks for doing this Josh, much appreciated.
...it is. Don't change the fingering.
The Jan Ekier edition has Chopin's fingering indeed.
4:20 Seong-Jin Cho does that; it's fine.
Paul Barton played this like marry had a little lamb.
Paul Barton also has a very good tutorial for this study (the one with 5 stages, if you look for it). But the idea behind is the same, so I am grateful for having Josh Wright and Paul Barton as teachers :) When I was in music school I really needed their advices, but then there was no google, not to mention youtube.
...and he doesn't tease you into giving him money for a sub par tutorial. elck...this guy.
Check Dmitry Shiskin
@@mcbainstyeah and then spend half the time talking about fingering which is entirely personal
This will be the second of your valuable tutorials I will get. Having played this Etude for many years has allowed me as a lefthander to build up strength in the right hand. As you recommend, I made big gains playing the upper notes in a good legato way, while holding the fingers in the position of the lower notes of the chords without playing them.
1:45 lmao
This piece is insane to learn (at least on my level).
Have you tried Arm rotation in (toward the thumb) on the chords in the RH? (Invisible in the end.) Also, check the correct rotation on each 16th note, again invisible in the end.
Thank you sooo much! I really like how you explain things I enjoy how you play A LOT
Your videos are the best! While you certainly desire and deserve to make a living by sharing your gifts, you obviously care more about helping anyone with your tremendous gifts. Above all you are distinguished by a willingness to seek answers rather than pretend that you can do everything perfectly. Arrau once managed to have dinner with Horowitz, hoping for advice about how to transcend the problems in a Scriabin Sonata (which Horowitz championed). All Horowitz could think of saying was that Arrau might play it a little slower!
very good study for egality and mostly strength of the three weak-fingers ( right hand ) j like very well op10-4 also egality of five fingers of two hands .
doesn't chromatic 3, 4, 5 scale practice help?
waterfall is much harder than this to me... those arpeggios are insane you have to play them fast cause it sounds like nothing when its slow
Agamaz waterfall is easier with large hands, this one is easier with smaller hands
@@felix_music bullshit i have extremely large hands and op 10 no 2 is easy for me ,but op 10 no 1 is near impossible. It's the hardest etude imo
Darky Gaming can also be caused by well trained 3,4,5 fingers
@@felix_music maybe ,but at the end of the day both etudes are really hard and it's kinda about the person playing them
I disagree, Chopin's etude op10 n2 is much more harder because of the chramitique scale on 3,4,5
when i used cortot fingering which uses the pinky whenever possible i found the hand had slight twist alternating right to left every bar this and being relaxed enough that fingers 1 2 are seperate unit from 345 helped up to a point next was the top note of the chords but dropping or leaning on it at same time us the left rotation to pluck off the bottom two notes and releasing fast and up slightly to drop through the next notes and so forth. i find the pinky nail is almost right angles to the keys alot of time and its the grasping motion or hand posture that gets you furthest. have to get those fingers working high and curled at first then never leave the surface to get the speed its all minimum effort. saying all this my journey so far i still suck at the timing and get bogged down or tense on the chords but i blame the left hand for that haha getting stuff to work together is something i should have done from the start... doubt this would help anyone but made you think ;)
Patrezia Jozwic yes i overthink everything i love challenges and solving problems :) and piano is never ending supply of challenges and problems you need to think about. sometimes I can switch off and things flow really well. Im definitely a beginner :) if you arnt beginning your finishing hehe
Patrezia Jozwic I have seen radically different hand positions for this piece in particularly and certainly many concert pianists take a different position than their usual for it as well ofc it should be natural in the hands no matter the finger choices but at the same time there is no getting around its awkwardness as a whole it needs alot of practice and as a beginner I chose it to help get the last 3 fingers working and I play 10 1 cause i didnt enjoy learning playing arpegios ..overall im really pleased and amazed with my progress because of these pieces and there great fun too very beautiful at 50 percent speed when you have the touch and phrasing working.
Thanks, Josh! I've been waiting for this!
The moment I suddenly came to the point (after a shitload of practice)which I was actually able to somewhat comfortably play this in 144bpm was simply one of the happiest moments in my life as a musician😅😂
How many hours did you practice
@ It`s not a matter of hours unfortunately, but months….I actually try to warn students about starting this piece. You end up using a bucketload of time (which you could used to build useful repetoire instead) on a piece which only last for a minute, is insanely difficult to play but actually do not sound that impressive.
Thanks for these videos, they are super helpful :)
Thanks a lot josh 👌
I'm having problem because my Finger 3-5 are weak
Can I use 1,3 and 2 to play Chromatic
How will you be able to play the chords then ?I ( I know this comment is a year old )
J don't like op10-4 by A Cortot but it-s necessary to listen recordings of Chopin-studies by Alfred Cortot !
Could you give us a tour of your music library?
In my opinion for the big hands making it more difficult it could be true yet having bigger hands allow you to play the chords more easily
When trying this etude my 3,4,5 fingers just say NO! I'm not sure if I am too weak or if I'm having a bad hand position, but I can't play this piece fast at all. Not even in slow-mo, my fingers doesn't respond to my will. While I could perform a piece like fantasie-impromtu 2x the speed.
should it be started with 4th or 5th finger on right hand?
5th to avoid twisting
@@simonemao3794 how would this twisting be?
Twisting happens when the wrist breaks the unity with the arm and you turn the hand to the right side.
You should also avoid to curling the fingers in this study and make sure to release them too.
@@simonemao3794 thank you, very interesting information, I will study it with the 5th finger to practice this
Rachmaninov had a difficult time with this... How do you explain his arrangement of flight of the bumblebee though? It must have taken him ages
Flight of the bumblebee is pretty easy compared to this
I have a problem with “cheating a little bit is okay because no one will notice and it relieves tension.”. There’s a reason why Chopin wrote it this way: for you to learn how to conquer it. You miss the point by taking shortcuts.
Personally, i have more trouble with op 10 no 1 xD . This one is quite easy.
OK for op10-2 - op10-4- op10-12 and also op25-2 : with three work of piano those four studies can be worked as exercices very good for a biginner pianist
Op10-1 is more difficult
@@alainspiteri502none of those etudes are for beginners. That is simply just nonsense.
Josh do u think this is harder than La Campanella?
Yes it is
Not really.
definitely
To perform its easier
This is unquestionably the most awkward etude to play
this etude is a bloody nightmare
Just do 1 line as a warmup exercise for 10 mins don’t try and learn it do this 1 line or 2 bars when it becomes easy move to line 2 and so on
Greaat!
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