The Musical Revolution We Need Right Now

  • Опубліковано 1 сер 2022
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  • edthejester
    edthejester Місяць тому +417

    The revolution we need will certainly not be a rehash of past hits. It'll be a counterpoint to whatever pop culture is shoving down our throats and I almost certainly will hate everything about it or they will be doing it wrong. In order to be a true revolution, Nick, it will HAVE to make us both go "get off my lawn", bro.

    • Punished Fabio
      Punished Fabio 13 днів тому

      There is no revolution, in the next 10-20 years AI will composer better music than humans in few seconds

    • MAN
      MAN 15 днів тому

      @Corn Pone Flicks Rock isn't counterculture, it's a zombie paraded around in kids' movies and sports stadiums. There's nothing countercultural about something just because it's unpopular. I almost disagree that there can be some big new pop movement. Eventually we'll run out of sounds. Even electronic musicians have


      Go to Twitch find an performer listen to their live music, or listen to old stuff idk what stupid evolution you people ask for. Mainstream is dead as it can be. No one is holding you gunpoint to listen to that. TURN IT OFF

    • Homos R Perverts Against Nature
      Homos R Perverts Against Nature 29 днів тому

      my username is true..

    • Emmanuel Leroy
      Emmanuel Leroy Місяць тому

      @Gerardo Tejada Kenny G dominated the 90’s with his “Jazz” 🎷

  • Jay Dawg
    Jay Dawg Місяць тому +233

    I think that the 2010s was a revolution in music production technology and electronic instruments. It made it easier for anyone to create their own music even if they didn't have access to the best equipment. This was awesome because it meant that a kid with a nice voice or a guitar or a digital keyboard could do a lot and didn't need a record deal.
    The problem was that this created an ocean of content and, in the age of social media and streaming services, music was no longer a cure to boredom: boredom was no longer a thing. So people needed shock value to get heard. Think Lizzo (who is legitimately talented) being crazy on social media. Or Cardi B singing about soaking wet felines.
    The other problem was that music production tools allowed us to suck the soul out of music. Autocorrect and quantise just stole a lot of the character that our previous classic artists had.
    So, my prediction here is that people are going to eventually get sick of this overproduced music and want something a bit more real and dirty. It's a pendulum swing away from the world of today, which is not dissimilar to the rise of grunge as a reaction against hair metal and glam rock.
    But I guess we'll see how things go. . .

    • George Antonio Andrei
      George Antonio Andrei 25 днів тому

      Yeah, this is the problem, we need to make new music, but the old artists that have more feeling than quantizing or overproducing can be a true inspiration for us, at least, this is for me.
      I am not that conservative, I enjoy the modern development of the keyboards for example, or the DAWs, but you can see how the feeling goes even if the music doesn't sound "perfect".
      Winter Solstice from these guys sounded really cool imo.

    • Ronald Drump
      Ronald Drump Місяць тому

      Death Skiffle will be the next big thing. You heard it here first

    • Franco R
      Franco R Місяць тому

      Its an interesting take and would very much like to see it coming true.

    • hking
      hking Місяць тому +1

      @glasnost I actually just heard them for the first time like a couple weeks ago. They came off extremely fresh to me and the style was so cool but I admit I didn’t listen to an entire album, I’ll check those out though. I’m such a normie I heard inside out and immediately tried to learn how to play and sing that, that’s a cool song. I’m sure it’s probably not their best but it grabbed my attention for sure. I think the software is causing us problems with getting out something that’s as emotional as we’re capable of performing. It seems almost like a mental game, something about being focused on so much on the recording technique and the software and the programmed drum patterns takes me out of the headspace I need to be in to just relax and be creative. I’m not saying it’s impossible to do but I just can’t help but feel like with a real drummer and a bassist to play with it things would fall into place more satisfyingly, and more quickly

    • glasnost
      glasnost Місяць тому +1

      @hking its extremely frustrating, i have the same problem, everything feels lifeless when i record and i think it comes from working with software, especially more pristine software, i’ve come to hate the neat way of recording i developed. no matter what i do i always feel like theres no emotion or meaning behind the music i am making and it sounds like clones of bands i love, like no matter what it just sounds like a slowdive or cocteau twins copy. although i will say listening to bands that recorded on (cheap) hardware really helps at times. bands like duster especially, im guessing you’ve heard of them if you are into cocteau twins but if you haven’t i strongly recommend their album stratosphere, specifically the songs reed to hillsborough, stratosphere, and earth moon transit.

  • paherbst524
    paherbst524 Місяць тому +263

    These guys definitely are not the next revolution. They're a tribute to the last one.

    • Nu-Metalfan 26
      Nu-Metalfan 26 3 години тому +1

      @paherbst524. I would say Alternative Rock/Alternative Metal (Funk Rock/Metal, Industrial, Grunge, Groove Metal, Nu-Metal and Post Grunge) was the last big movement in Rock and Metal music, but that movement died in 2004. We are now nearing 20 years without a culturally relevant Rock movement.

    • dunce funce
      dunce funce 24 дні тому

      @youvsyou you're taking a stance here, my friend. I get what you're saying, but the music itself endures. Some of it, not all of it.

    • Michael B.
      Michael B. 26 днів тому

      Nailed it!

    • nicholas kruger
      nicholas kruger 27 днів тому +1

      Vocals are weak. Does she ever push it

    • PunkIsDad
      PunkIsDad 27 днів тому

      I'm afraid you're right.

  • callum's crap channel
    callum's crap channel Місяць тому +54

    Death Grips were MY (and a lot of others') 'musical revolution'. They gave me the same musical feelings as I did when I heard Nirvana as a young teenager in 2012 - the angst, the feeling of belonging and the ability to relate to whatever the hell was being said all spoke to me, just like Nirvana did earlier.

    • helloworld noreply
      helloworld noreply 28 днів тому


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      Raymond Class 29 днів тому


    • Raymond Class
      Raymond Class 29 днів тому

      I had that recently with the band cotizen

    • James
      James Місяць тому +7

      Agreed, experimental hip hop artists like Death Grips, Injury Reserve and JPEGMAFIA, hyperpop, and all the amazing experimental rock bands coming out of the "Windmill scene" in the UK right now (Black Midi, Black Country New Road, Squid etc.) represent the true musical revolution of this generation. Like how grunge was a reaction agaisnt overblown arena rock, this type of music I feel like is a reaction against how suffocatingly minimalist mainstream rap and pop have become. The next grunge I feel will be music that embraces a general sense of maximalism.

    • Gorgzilla
      Gorgzilla Місяць тому +4

      Same here

  • foto21com
    foto21com Місяць тому +84

    I grew up in Seattle and was in my 20s during grunge. Preceding grunge, there was a scene that really tried hard in Seattle, with various bands like the Allies trying to make it in the pop rock of the 1980s and getting minor success with it. Of course, Heart had come out of Seattle, so their success was always hanging around as a lure, except they were so supernaturally good, it may also have been a deterrent, and Hendrix had come from Seattle, but he didn't make it here of course, and musicians generally thought they would have to leave Seattle to get famous. Heart broke in the late 1970s, and so were thought of being the previous generation, but they helped grunge get a foothold in many ways.
    Seattle was full of people who wanted to consider themselves off the program, and thus celebrated the punk of the UK, and its warped version in the USA, which got zero mainstream attention but was pretty tenacious. Everyone had grown up on Van Halen in the late 70s and early 80s, but saw what came after in LA as copyist of VH and thus found it sadly stupid and hated the entire pay-for-play and manufactured looks model (though they then picked another look, but it was a helluva lot less work also of course). Punk rock, was stuck eternally underground during the Reagan years, which was the real root of the cynicism of grunge.
    It was bands like the Clash, Pistols, Damned, Killing Joke and the Pixies, as well as the success of RHCP and Jane's Addiction, that gave grunge musicians their motivation to do what they wanted, not what would get them a big label deal in LA. They also had grown up on Boston, Cheap Trick, Black Sabbath and Zeppelin and the result was an amalgam of both movements. Also, someone decided to finally slow down punk rock, but keep the aesthetic and attitude, which was very wide ranging. In fact, punk rock and new wave was much broader culturally than grunge ever was. All these bands were played on a couple of local radio stations that became the locus of local music tastes, and then eventually, of locally produced music as well. KCMU at the UW and Sub Pop really got the ball rolling, although it was ironically more mainstream producer teams and mixers that actually put Seattle music on the international airwaves. Fact is, grunge getting famous was kind of the end of the original Seattle that spawned the movement. If you're even in a scene that turns like that, you see some pretty cynical things go down, from all the bands touted as the next big thing, to the city becoming a dumping ground for heroin dealers (although those times look mild compared to today).
    The Seattle factor beyond the weather was the fact the city was cheap and full of almost-free rentals where bands could play and where endless house parties were thrown. Landlords couldn't be picky about tenants because the city was not wealthy before Microsoft hit. Boeing was a cyclical employer and boomed and busted. It was also a time period when people still cared about records and music and people thought they could at least get a minor career in music like the underground bands of the 80s had. Music was literally one of the only entertaining things to do, and, as always, a way to impress the maximum number of ladies and be a big man around town. You used to actually have to get famous in person, not online!
    These were all factors in what made grunge. However, Cobain was from Aberdeen, not Seattle, Jerry Cantrell was from Pierce County, and Eddie Vedder was from CA. Dave Grohl, of course, was also another import. This was kind of ironic since many bands that actually originated among native Seattleites didn't become famous outside of town, other than Soundgarden and Mudhoney.
    Beyond it being a period before computers where video games were seen as children's games, and music still being the huge touchstone of youth culture, the big factor in grunge was the cheap rents, something you will not find in Seattle in 2022. Big movements start where there is a lot of culture in a city that is still affordable. This was part of what made London explode in the 1960s as well, that and the fact they had tons of state art and music schools that were graduating artistes by the truckload.
    I missed most of the seminal moments in the scene, as did most people on the outside. I managed to see a lot of the moments where a music scene goes to hell, though, with people leveraging to be the next big thing, which only happened with one band that kind of killed the movement as they made it famous. There was a real too cool for school factor at times.
    So to address the original theme of this video, what's needed for music movements is a crowd of people growing up loving music, playing music, and then affordable space, time and maybe even government support for the arts (socialism!) like they had in London, since that city generated far more bands than Seattle did over a longer period. Good luck finding either in the Sparta that is America in 2022 just like you won't find it in insanely overpriced modern London either. Georgia, TX and the Midwest had their scenes as well. I find it hilarious that Smashing Pumpkins, Collective Soul, Tool and STP and many other great songs from the 90s get forgotten, since I would put them in the mix with the Seattle bands, and these other bands often brought things to the table Seattle bands didn't. I could understand people thinking it was all....OVERBLOWN.
    That's really what did it, just like in the late 60s and 70s and 80s, labels supporting GOOD SONGS primarily, more than divas, sensitive personalities or tough posers. That sh*t is so stale. Let the songwriters and players do their thing and let producers and DJs to see who gets famous, not the image marketers. We've been suffering under this domination of people telling us who we have to respect and like, even though they suck, for a while now. No one gets un famous anymore, no matter what garbage they release.

    • Roddy Dykes
      Roddy Dykes 26 днів тому +2

      Nice history lesson from an OG local

    • Anthony Fuqua
      Anthony Fuqua 27 днів тому +2

      Other members of Pearl Jam were not from Seattle. Gossard moved there in 82 or so. The bassist was from Montana.

    • Nick Brown
      Nick Brown 28 днів тому +3

      I'm from Seattle, and from this time. I think your observations are spot on. Let's not discount Eastern Washington as spawning ground as well. Let's also remember that Seattle was a mostly open minded, international yet intimate American city, filled with outsiders from the hinterland looking to be themselves within a larger national culture that was blunted by post Reagan division and a war on truly creative expression. Seattle kids were supported by the post Vietnam generation and post flower power expats, as well as independent minded, back to the land pioneers who encouraged a re-bloom of creative expression.

    • foto21com
      foto21com Місяць тому +2

      @SeriesDT That makes sense. I always thought his dad was from Spokane because of the Rooster video, and Seattle wasn't full of hunters.

    • SeriesDT
      SeriesDT Місяць тому

      @foto21com Cantrell is from Spanaway, roughly 10-20 minutes south of Tacoma if my memory serves me right.

  • Paul Fischbach
    Paul Fischbach Місяць тому +162

    Rest In Peace Layne, Kurt, Chris Shannon, Scott and many more. This was a beautiful time. Salute to Eddie.

  • Sean Mac
    Sean Mac Місяць тому +5

    Yes! The 3rd Secret album is absolutely excellent.

  • Heitstrengning Music
    Heitstrengning Music Місяць тому +159

    Speaking of weather influencing music, for their size and population, Sweden and Finland have an insane amount of incredible metal. They consistently put out world class metal, and have since the early 90s. I'm sure weather, mood and the culture of these countries play a part.

    • Rexx
      Rexx 27 днів тому +1

      The problem with the weather theory is that tropical places like Brazil have also been musical powerhouses. Or New Orleans in the US. More bands have come from sunny California than gloomy Seattle.

    • Homos R Perverts Against Nature
      Homos R Perverts Against Nature 29 днів тому +1

      Indeed. I love Tristania with Vibeke Stene (from Norway).

    • Gmorq
      Gmorq 29 днів тому +1

      @That talking car in that on tv show you saw Sweden also has a lot more succesful pop artists comparing to Finland. If you want to make a very strict comparison of musical cultures, Finland has almost only minor chord heavy music. Sweden has had a lot more happy or major chord heavy music. Sweden has also better production in their music and Finnish music was stuck with mediocre or bad production settings and so on.
      If I have to generalize (remember Sweden has this stuff too) Finnish metal has more depressing, melancholic and mad music (one could say even perverted). Sweaden has more clean and calculated sound, which is great too! Sweden didn't have as bad ww2 or 90s economic standstill so they generally weren't making music as dark as Finland did.
      Examples of great but under budgeted Finnish pioneers: Rippikoulu (Death), Thergothon (Funeral Doom), Beherit (Black), Reverend Bizarre (Trad doom). Even hardcore punk was huge in underground tape scenes. I've heard Brazilian bands telling they loved Terveet Kädet.
      So ofcourse if you don't like low-fi metal, it's easy to brush of the Finnish scene.

    • Heitstrengning Music
      Heitstrengning Music Місяць тому +1

      @Re Suki Speaking as a coastal Swede once looking to possiby relocate to the Oregon/Washington coast, I was surprised how not dark, gloomy and cold is it compared to Sweden lol

    • Re Suki
      Re Suki Місяць тому +1

      I find it odd that people talk about Seattle's weather being dark/gloomy when there's other music city's that produce more rock/happier? bands even though they have more rainy days than Seattle.

  • Brandon Lackey
    Brandon Lackey Місяць тому +3

    My 15-year-old has saturated our world with music when he couldn't care less just a couple of years ago. Your voice, through his dad, has guided his musical journey. Seeing him branch out and away from his dad's favorite bands has been an unexpected joy. He rapidly cycled through the 90's grunge offerings, pausing to be moody with Cobain much like I did with Morrison at his age. Where he found inspiration was 90's hip-hop and rap. For the first time in my life, he has me turning the channel from James Hetfield, Maynard James Keenan, and Pete Loeffler to spend time with Tupac, The Notorious B.I.G., Common, and Dre. I am thankful he has a critical ear and is looking for music that sounds good to him AND is good. On his own, he found David Bowie, Fleetwood Mac, and Radio Head. He wrote out his list of the top 100 artists because he didn't like Rolling Stone's list. If you ever wanted to interview an emerging music critic about what makes a song great, what is wrong or write about today's music, or make him defend his list, let us know. What an amazing time to live with so much music available all at the same time!

  • Smith Family
    Smith Family 26 днів тому +3

    I came of age in the 70's, so my musical taste was influenced by 60's through early 80's rock and some pop. I rejected the grunge scene when I first heard it in early 90's and grew to love it much later. I find that for me the best way to hear new music that is fresh and original and allows me to stay grounded in the rock I grew up with is to go to small clubs and venues in the Chicago area and discover DIY bands that are still creating good tunes and aren't ruined by record companies and a directive to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

  • Dean n Babs
    Dean n Babs Місяць тому +2

    Nailed it, my friend. I’m a year older than you, with the same musical influences, and also in love with the grunge sound.

  • Calbear712
    Calbear712 Місяць тому +16

    I’ve always had a weird relationship with the city of Seattle, and counterintuitively, it’s made me appreciate grunge even more.
    I grew up in Santa Cruz, California but when I was 14 my family moved up to Seattle- a move which 14 year old me very much resented. I was a typical California kid, I was going into high school, I loved surfing and skating, I didn’t want to leave all my friends… all the typical stuff. And then when we got to Seattle, at the time, it seemed even worse than I expected. It was this dark, gloomy place, I didn’t fit in at all, I got bullied, I found it extremely hard to make friends.. I felt like even my teachers at school and my coaches and teammates on t baseball and football teams were very cold and dismissive towards “this new kid” didn’t feel like I identified with the culture there, and I started getting depressed, acting out and the first couple of years were honestly a pretty traumatic time. Later into high school, and after high school, I started to kind of get more comfortable and the resentment for the city of Seattle started to go away, and now as an adult, I can appreciate the city for what it is and I don’t hold any of the negative feelings towards it that I did as a teenager. But still, there remains this bad taste that I can’t quite get out of my mouth. I think subconsciously, the city still reminds me of this traumatic, difficult time in my life and even as an adult I’ve never quite been able to get over it. I’ve since moved away from Seattle, but when I go back to see my friends or parents, I still often find myself immediately slipping into a really negative and resentful mindset almost immediately. And something about the darkness and cynicism of grunge gives me some kind of consolation, because I feel like if you talked to a lot of grunge artists from Seattle, they’d tell you similar things. That they have this weird love hate relationship with their town, and they can’t quite place it but there exists this strange resentment, but simultaneously strong emotional ties which creates for just a bizarre, unexplainable balancing act, and that attitude comes through in the music.
    It’s strange, because you’d think that I’d reject grunge, being that it’s so tightly linked with a place that I have this weird, resentful attitude towards, but it actually makes me feel better & less resentful. It’s a really bizarre phenomenon. I dunno

  • ordjk
    ordjk Місяць тому +18

    I think the revolution should be a new type of "sound"
    Maybe with melody's of the past but it should overall be a new type of experience to listen to

  • Zac Loves School
    Zac Loves School 25 днів тому +1

    to me, bands like A Perfect Circle have been laying seeds for a passion and love for the art, beauty, anger, and sadness. Alot of the younger generation (myself once included) really struggle with purpose and caring about anything. Growing up with all the information in the world all around you, constantly changing expectations, and so many paths to take, the young are becoming desensitized to a great deal of things. I worry for the future in that regard, though there are still those who break out of that fog and are able to express their pain and love through music or other arts.

  • K's Unfocused Channel
    K's Unfocused Channel 20 днів тому +2

    As far as new music revolution, I say look no further than the new young all-female rock bands such as Plush and The Warning. Especially via The Warning. What they're doing with rock music right now is incredible. Have you heard their debut major label album Error? The one David Bendeth produced? That man is amazing! I've been saying that The Warning are the new breed of rock music. They didn't try and rewrite rock music. They're just writing and performing music as they love it. They're totally genuine. So very talented. Grunge is a good genre to compare them to because their music is deep and thoughtful along with being masterfully written and performed. Currently blowing rock audiences away touring with Halestorm and their own headlining tour has been straight amazing. They just finished blowing Mexico City away with two nights of their best performances ever. I know The Warning are younger than you tend to analyze on your channel, but I'm breathlessly awaiting your take on these three sisters. Error is a pure masterpiece that I believe is going to be a highly heralded album in the coming months.

  • wallabumba
    wallabumba Місяць тому +51

    Female vocals are so hard to come by in a real rock outfit. I love it when the female voice is allowed to remain beautiful and feminine, and the heavy sound isn't compromised to let that shine through. This group, 3rd Secret, has this tasteful quality.

    • 27dirtysocks
      27dirtysocks Місяць тому +1

      @Dunbar long live the Breeders!!

    • Dunbar
      Dunbar Місяць тому +2

      The Breeders.

    • nullptr
      nullptr Місяць тому

      Check out Marmozets!

    • Jay's NE Hiking Experience
      Jay's NE Hiking Experience Місяць тому +2

      Wolf Alice

    • Badger Mcblasty
      Badger Mcblasty Місяць тому +3

      Pj Harvey’s album ‘Rid of Me’ will scratch that itch I promise you.

  • Dion Yates
    Dion Yates Місяць тому +161

    With Nirvana discussions I never hear about the crucial role of dissonant mavericks like Husker Du, The Replacements and Sonic Youth; these bands spent most of the 80s getting in shape, making no money while those who wed their innovations to classic rock sold millions. Because of the success of Seattle's big four they're only compared to major leaguers like The Beatles, Pistols or Led Zep. I like Rick's discussions but I detect a blind spot re. influential oddballs like Television, Talking Heads, Wire, Sonic Youth or even early REM.

    • Dion Yates
      Dion Yates 25 днів тому +1

      @Cat of the Castle I'm free to provide opinion which is why Rick allows comments on his channel. He's free to ignore me. Not getting the gist of this UA-cam thing yet, are you?

    • Cat of the Castle
      Cat of the Castle 25 днів тому

      Or maybe this is his channel and he wants to talk about his interests! Make your own!


      Edit: Gotta love it how even the video DG proves my point, soon as Kobain was mentioned people skipped the video forward. XD
      Exactly Kobain wasn't inspired, he was a telentless hack who ripped off other people's content and made a dumbed down version of it. Like a 10 year old kid trying to play something for the 1st time but the result is incoherent that was Nirvana and his idiotic presence in the media didn't help them at all.
      So do other musicians and talents a break and stop with mentioning Kobain all the time like he was important in anything... The only talent in that band was the drummer and that is it.
      I don't know why some people all of a sudden start spamming about this band because back in a day people in the world hated him and couldn't care less... THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ACTUALLY MADE MUSIC, do your research and move on

    • Knut
      Knut 29 днів тому

      Yes! Pixies also.

    • foto21com
      foto21com 29 днів тому +2

      To be fair, I think Beato has left a lot of 70s and 80s UK underground to Warren Huart's channel, which is also really good, and has great technical pointers on production tricks of many famous recordings. Beato reminds me a bit of some guys I knew who really hated punk rock, and associated many bands with it, since I have heard him mention the Pistols, but never the Clash, Damned, Dead Kennedys. We're prob just being fussy. He's great at what he does, so that's that. There's also a lot of issues clearing certain bands.

  • Trevor St John
    Trevor St John Місяць тому +9

    The melody’s are wonderful within 3rd Secret.
    To me it sounds like the combination with the folk side of Zep and the vocals from the Cranberries. I miss the punk rock aspect that feels angsty.

  • chriskarl2
    chriskarl2 Місяць тому +1

    I grew up in southern California but for some reason I gravitated to music from the Pacific northwest. I was only 8 or 9 years old when I first heard Nirvana and I was blown away. They were my Beatles. Then, as I got a little older and would hangout with friends a few years older than me, who had jobs--they bought albums such as Soundgarden's SuperUnknown, and Pearl Jams Vs.... this was a blessing. I didn't get to hear all the albums until I was 16 and 17, when I had a job and my own car where I would spend whatever cash I had on these band's albums at the local record store. I quickly learned that the Seattle bands would promote other bands that they were inspired by within the scene by wearing the bands shirt. I would look these bands up at the record store and sample them for hours. I became a musician because of them. Played in bands up until I was 33 (im 40 now) and still continue to record when I have the chance. This scene and culture of music changed me forever and Im blown away by projects such as 3rd Secret or even Dave Navarro, Taylor Hawkins (RIP), and Chris Chaney's NHC.. they still continue to produce good relevant rock music.

  • TekTodd
    TekTodd Місяць тому +5

    I love that we live in a time where even younger generations that didnt grow up in the 90s are realizing how beautiful, organic, and authentic the music was then and want to follow in those footsteps! defintely going to check this band out. they sound awesome!

    • LA_PERA
      LA_PERA Місяць тому

      im 13 and i've recently created a band with my friends and we dont know what genre to do but we all like rock music

  • Muddy Ravine
    Muddy Ravine Місяць тому +1

    Idles and Turnstile are two of the larger up-and-coming rock bands that I'm really liking. Like the grunge bands, both of those groups put on a hell of an energetic show! Of course there's a lot of great metal too, like Dvne, but the harsh vocals will keep metal bands from blowing up. Though Dvne has plenty of clean singing in their songs too, and fantastic song writing.

  • tmage23
    tmage23 Місяць тому +168

    There's a lot more to Seattle than just grunge. Quincy Jones' formative years were spent in Seattle. Hendrix grew up there and played his earliest gigs as a teenager there. Punk/shock rock icons The Mentors came from there in the mid 70s, not to mention hard rock and metal acts like Heart, Queensryche, Metal Church etc.
    Also I think any discussion of Seattle music has to mention David Kyle - a world renown vocal instructor whose students included Ann Wilson, Geoff Tate, Layne Staley, Chris Cornell and Ronny Munroe among many others.

    • T J
      T J Місяць тому

      @Rick Sakoda Definitely!

    • Rick Sakoda
      Rick Sakoda Місяць тому +1

      @T J Does Sleater-Kinney fit into this category?

    • Erica (Raven) Branch-Butler
      Erica (Raven) Branch-Butler Місяць тому +1

      @BibbyBoxx2219 , yep! And all sorts of music that doesn't easily fit into a box. :-)

    • T J
      T J Місяць тому +1

      @JYes! Olympia music scene and Evergreen State College had it's own thing going on and fed into Seattle. " Sub Pop Records"

    • J
      J Місяць тому +3

      can't forget the riot grrl scene

  • The Group Ride
    The Group Ride Місяць тому +7

    I tell my kids all the time how we haven't seen a new music style that completely took over the entire globe like we saw when Smells Like Teen Spirit hit. I don't think we'll ever see something like that again since we no longer discover music on the radio/TV.

    • Brown Girl in a Clown World
      Brown Girl in a Clown World 20 днів тому +2

      Late 1990s: Nu Metal and Pop Punk
      2000s: Indie and Emo
      And that's pretty much it. Emo was the last hurrah for rock. By the 2010s rock became a niche genre for an audience of mostly 30+ year olds.
      Rap is still in a good place, creatively. But it's starting to stagnate. It's not moving as fast it did in the past. Think how quickly Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer went from the top of the world (1990) to has beens once Dr. Dre released The Chronic (1992). Rap isn't moving that quickly anymore.

    • Emmanuel Leroy
      Emmanuel Leroy 26 днів тому

      @Roddy Dykes u probably stick to a specific genre of music…… I grew up on 90’s pop music and hip hop, then moved to classic rock n blues because Kanye West introduced me to that music through his sampling of music…. Kanye is a genius when it comes to music….. his choice of sampling is crazy his library is huge…. Soul, classical, pop, rock, broadway musicals……. It’s a reason why he is loved for his music but if u don’t like hip hop I don’t know what to tell u….. Grunge is not even a genre bro, the labels called it that for a marketing gimmick just like disco…. It was just rock in the 90’s and Nirvana was on top

    • Roddy Dykes
      Roddy Dykes 26 днів тому

      If Tik Tok and smartphones were somehow a thing in 1990 then we never would’ve got the grunge explosion either. Maybe I’m in a bubble but I don’t know a single Kanye West song though

    • Emmanuel Leroy
      Emmanuel Leroy Місяць тому

      Kanye West

  • Mireille Lachance
    Mireille Lachance Місяць тому

    LOVE it that you bring visibity to music well written and performed. So needed. Wish there was a way to share some stuff with you. Some well written music from artists that deserve more visibity. I would share music from Québec - not that far from Rochester 😉 We need more ways to share the good music to inspire more musicians.

  • flamesfearfuture
    flamesfearfuture Місяць тому +1

    I'm 47 Years old and Nirvana were the greatest thing to happen to me as a teenager. Having moved away from grunge a long time ago, I still think, that they are one of the greatest bands that ever existed - inciting a musical and cultural shift, that left its mark for decades. I also think, that they tapped into something, that was very real and important then and that is still current in these days: Fear, Isolation, mental problems, uncertainty. They touched on something very deep in many people. These feelings are still very much present today - maybe more than ever.
    But I'm asking myself: Why recreate the things that happend 30 Years ago? With all due respect for the people in Soundgarden and Nirvana, this new music sounds very old to me, and unfortunately I'm not particularly interested in that. Where are all the young people with fresh ideas? I haven't heard a good song in a very long time, but then again, maybe I'm looking in all the wrong places. Rock 'n' Roll will never die, as long as there is fresh blood and a little bit of frustration. Given the political and cultural situation at the moment, the latter comes in abundance today.

  • gilbert godfrey
    gilbert godfrey Місяць тому +1

    It is a gigantic tribute to Rick's open heart and open mind that he can see the beauty of grunge, which I still cannot fathom. While I would grant that a few songs stand out, EVEN in Nirvana's contributions, I have to point out that the movement was literally a rebellion against craftsmanship. The funniest thing that happened to me was listening to at least a dozen hits in which the lead vocalist had these weird affectations - and then I heard Eddie Vedder and said OMG, THIS is the dude they are all imitating. So there was a startling lack of originality. BUT... This is the same Rick who interviewed Sting at a level which was simply brilliant.

  • Tom Monk
    Tom Monk Місяць тому +190

    I'm a child of the 70s. I lost interest in most of the rock in the 80s - the hair bands did nothing for me. But grunge brought me back to rock. Great era!

    • StonerMatt
      StonerMatt Місяць тому

      @Burning OldSage well saying that Nirvana is "bluesless" is quite strange considering that Kurt Cobain shared with his close friend Mark Lanegan a deep love for Leadbelly, even started working together briefly in a blues oriented new band called The Jury when Kurt thought Nirvana went nowhere
      Just listen to "they hang him on a cross" out of their recording for example, a 1989 early cover of Leadbelly (ok this one almost sound country)

      MEGAMIGA Місяць тому

      @Burning OldSage Oh yes! Modern production has lost a lot of air!
      Listen to Classic Rock and you can hear more grain, details, subtlety... Not everybody is called Trent Reznor! ;)

    • Burning OldSage
      Burning OldSage Місяць тому +1

      @MEGAMIGA - I understand your aversion to gain, I have the same reaction to too much compression. The Audioslave production drove me nuts because, here they had Chris Cornell, probably the richest voice in terms of resonance in the hard rock world, and still squeezed the hell out of his tracks as if he was an insubstantial 3rd singer in a boy band.

      MEGAMIGA Місяць тому +1

      @Burning OldSage Thank you for your advice but I know about those bands, my best friend loves Seattle Rock ;)
      And yes, there are a couple tunes by Pearl Jam that I like (I've got the Neil Young Mirrorball album, which is nice), as well as some by Alice in Chains but overall, I am not moved by this style. Generally, I am not a fan of ultra high-gain Rock.
      But thank you for your detailed comment anyway ;)

    • Burning OldSage
      Burning OldSage Місяць тому +1

      @MEGAMIGA - Listen to "Temple of the Dog", MEGAMIGA, if you want to hear blues roots in "grunge". Pearl Jam, AIC and Soundgarden all had elements of blues rock. "Facelift" has some GREAT blues based songs, including "I Know Somethin", "The Real Thing", "Sunshine", "Put You Down", even "Man In The Box" (there's a lot more Jimi than Eddie in Jerry Cantrell[ same with PJ's Mike McCready). And there's plenty of blues riffs on "Ten".
      Obviously something about the music filled you with inertia (and many of my friends had similar reactions), but it wasn't the lack of blues-based rock- unless you're talking Nirvana, which was kind of like "Beatles Punk".

  • E Doxtator
    E Doxtator Місяць тому +28

    This isn't an endorsement of a band. It's an endorsement of a style that evokes nostalgia.

  • ramosel
    ramosel Місяць тому +6

    Some of the best music came from Temple of the Dog (Reach Down) and Mad Season (Artificial Red). Mike McCready will forever be known for Pearl Jam, but IMHO, his work in Temple and Mad Season was his best.

  • B_runner Brunner
    B_runner Brunner Місяць тому

    I love what you said about there is still great music being made!! WELL SAID, RICK!!!

  • Pat Pat
    Pat Pat Місяць тому

    I always thought about England with its amazing bands and also thought about long cloudy rainy winters , but also an open minded environment also helps . Some, like Billy Eilish may carry the sorrow inside . My songs also have a dark melancholic spirit and I guess it comes from within and staying out of a comfort zone .

  • toodooms
    toodooms Місяць тому +75

    I'm so happy for Krist Novoselic that he is back in business!🔥🔥🔥

    • ezyryder11
      ezyryder11 Місяць тому +1

      No more standing on escalators!

    • StratMatt777
      StratMatt777 Місяць тому +13

      He's a super nice and humble down to earth guy too- which makes him even cooler!

  • littleferrhis
    littleferrhis 3 дні тому

    Personally I think the revolution will come through a band heavily influenced by the style of Death Grips, but with a much more personal kick. The style is so different and fits so well into the modern music trends while still being very original and carrying that punk style grittiness to it that's lacking in a lot of modern music, both from the pop and alternative scenes.

  • Sean Harris
    Sean Harris Місяць тому

    I never thought of environment shaping musical taste. I've lived mostly in Perth Western Australia which has the most bright and beautiful spring and summer but can have dark and ominous winter weather too, mixed with a simple upbringing, hence I love the simple, primal grooves of AC/DC and also love the dark, intricate grooves of Soundgarden, along with much much much more. But love the light and the dark in equal measures, as long as it's melodious.

  • Arbitrary Chemistry
    Arbitrary Chemistry Місяць тому

    Great stuff!! I lived thru the grunge era and have not heard much in the last 20 years that was as cohesive and powerful of a force/ movement. My daughter listens to hip hop/ rap and we have it on in the car all the time. Definitely it has to be hitting a wall as it is all's starting to sound the same/ same elements/ beats/ lyrical subject matter etc. I was just talking to a friend recently about how ripe it is for a musical revolution now. It almost seems like how the media is portraying race relations now - people are scared to NOT play only hip hop. Uggh.

  • Humans Not AI
    Humans Not AI Місяць тому +7

    I saw all these bands back in the 90s....Glastonbury, Reading etc...what an amazing time with that music scene.
    Beautiful vocals; like a big mixing bowl filled with Stevie Nicks, Courtney Love, Dolores O'Riordan -but Jillian Raye...jeez she's like a goddess!

  • Jakub Bielak
    Jakub Bielak Місяць тому +60

    And Eddie Vedder is the only one of the Seattle Big Four voices that is still with us. That adds more melancholy to the Grunge movement.

    • Scott Castro
      Scott Castro Місяць тому +2

      @jsullivan2112 I hear what you are saying, but Layne without Jerry was still powerful. Jerry without Layne? Not the same.

    • Leinoni Bishop
      Leinoni Bishop Місяць тому +3

      @YouFlix maybe that tiny shot of sunshine in his soul is why he's still around

    • QualityInn & Suites
      QualityInn & Suites Місяць тому

      @Barbara Dascalos And Stone Temple Pilots do!

    • Keith Ferris
      Keith Ferris Місяць тому

      @Barbara Dascalos totally untrue

    • ScrootieMcBoogerballs
      ScrootieMcBoogerballs Місяць тому

      @jsullivan2112 “No Layne, no chains” 😞 That’s not what it was about. No Excuses…

  • Brian Buck
    Brian Buck Місяць тому +6

    This reminds me of an interview with Dave Grohl where he talked about criticism that Foo Fighters sounded very similar to Nirvana. He said that is because he was in both bands and it’s the kind of music he likes to create!!


      I don't know where you pick this from but Foo Fighters is actual music while Nirvana was tone deaf bunch of nonsense with stolen music and lyrics from others. It's a night and day difference in genre, production and performance.
      Dave can make music, Kobain couldn't. That is a major difference. And Dave being a drummer in both bands doesn't really changes things.
      Either it's a fake statement or Dave forgot what kind of garbage band Nirvana originally was...

    • OcelotDAD
      OcelotDAD 29 днів тому +1

      Foo Fighters doesnt sound like Nirvana at all though.

  • Gabor Pete
    Gabor Pete Місяць тому

    I spent two beautiful years in Seattle, maybe the best of my life, it's my spiritual second home. I really like grunge, the voice of Layne Staley will haunt me forever. This 3rd Whatever is really great music. But revolution? This, now? Come on. Maybe you are saying that we need something that was like grunge back then, something that can survive 30 years?

  • J
    J Місяць тому +5

    Rick should do a video on the 90s emo/post punk-hardcore scene. I feel like it's under appreciated, but its influence is still around today. Bands like Mineral, Texas is the reason, Sunny Day Real Estate didn't have a long time standing but they have introduced me to another world that can be dark but also uplifting

  • Dream States
    Dream States 17 днів тому

    This is cool-sounding stuff, very impressive talent from these guys/gals but I think we won’t have a “musical revolution” until someone comes along and just grabs everybody’s ears with a fresh approach to pop/rock music that sounds as distinctive from everything else going on as the Beatles did in 1963/64. That may never happen again, maybe it can’t happen but wouldn’t it be cool if it did. At least, you’ve turned me on to some great new music with 3rd Secret 👍🏻👍🏻

  • craig deloach
    craig deloach Місяць тому

    The DeLeo brothers are two of my favorite song writers! I have to say,,,out of all the grunge bands..STP were my favorite!

  • Franco R
    Franco R Місяць тому

    Even if not a revolution, its great to have that grunge vibe going on in the 2020s possibly inspiring new upcoming artists and bands in an age when rock is no longer mainstream. Keep it up 🤘

  • Lantanana
    Lantanana 26 днів тому

    As soon as you said the name of the group, I went and bought the album. Then I came back to watch your video. That combination of musicians can't make a bad album! (You can tell I am old by the term 'album')

  • Andrzej J
    Andrzej J 21 день тому

    I'm coming to this video after having discovered 3rd Secret myself at random this morning ... Love everything about this band. Leans into the psychedelia I loved from Soungarden's music, and I'm a sucker for beautiful vocal harmonies ... Every one of these songs gives me chills. Of course, I'm the right generation for this (meaning, X) but this is just beautiful music, by any standard. I really enjoy the content you make, Rick, and I've found your videos and your book not only fascinating but truly helpful with my own musical efforts. It surprised me that I somehow didn't watch this video of yours the day it came out - but on the other hand I'm kind of glad I encountered 3rd Secret before I heard your recommendation. At the same time, it's extremely gratifying to discover that my feelings about this music are so similar to yours.

  • Bjørn Vind Abildtrup
    Bjørn Vind Abildtrup Місяць тому

    Really cool band, love that slightly experimental hard (and soft) rock 90's sound with 60's folk elements, or whatever. Doesn't seem very revolutionary and new though in its asthaethic and sound (tho I'm sure they're all revolutionary and progressive in spirit and person), not that that's a bad thing. Not sure we need another revolution based on punk/heavy rock/stage diving/blues guitar. But would be great to see a movement of music of some kind that favors originality and sincerity (similar to how grunge sort of did that, but in its own way) and bringing something (not neccesarlly new) to the table that isn't intentet to be a tiktok hit or whatever the kids are into these days, maybe something that focuses on the humanity in music and playing very small intimate concerts where you can't use your phone or something like that, or maybe everyone should use their phone, and everyone play an instrument or whatever. Something that kind of works as a reaction and antidote to the worst parts of modern culture, whatever they are. Would personally like a revival of more postpunk/alt. rock/shoegaze/and all the best parts of 80's and 90's rock and even 00's rock. but that's not a very revolutionary position, kind of the opposite.

  • Hochmann
    Hochmann Місяць тому

    I didn’t know about this band so thank you for making this video. I just got the album on Apple Music and will listen to it. I’m also glad the copyright is for 3rd Secret alone, apparently.

  • Miguel Branco
    Miguel Branco Місяць тому

    Huge fan of the Seattle sons! Thank you Beato for this episode! Cheers from Portugal!

  • Tom Beckett
    Tom Beckett Місяць тому +5

    3rd Secret album is so good. A Great sound Jillian Raye has such haunting voice with a broad range.

  • ZERO
    ZERO Місяць тому +2

    This sound has taken on new life with bands like Soul Blind, Superheaven, Bleed, Modern Color, Narrow Head and many more. There is always sick new rock music, you just gotta know where to look.

  • LeviJames
    LeviJames Місяць тому

    This is a great video. You’ve turned me into 3rd secret. The Melodie’s they make are captivating.

  • Scott Bartlett
    Scott Bartlett Місяць тому +9

    These tracks you've played show glimpses of greatness. The darkness and draw I love. However there isn't or at least it wasn't played here is the resolve. This feels like a build, a beautiful build but a build none the less. The listener or at least I as a listener has an expectation; and that expectation can be a few things:
    1) fulfilled. It musically goes where you expect and feel it should.
    2) Strangely fulfilled. Goes to un unexpected place and whether whimsically or otherwise brings you to resolution.
    3) unfulfilled in. Goes to an unexpected place and holds/leaves you there but in a way that you are in on the joke.
    4) unfulfilled out. Goes to an unexpected place but never resolves and never reveals the punchline or even the existence of a punchline.
    This feels like four to me, only build and no resolve. Perhaps you didn't play the resolve and it's there. What as a listener am I to latch on to here? I hear the excellence in the presentation, I don't feel the emotion or the story.

  • alopam
    alopam Місяць тому +7

    I was expecting more of a "Today's music sucks! We need something new!” kind of thing. You giving us a starting point - and a theory - was a welcome surprise. But then again I guess getting more than you expected is a constant reminder of why I subscribed to your channel - and I hardly ever subscribe to anything on UA-cam...
    I always thought people who are in music and love music - like famous rockers and such - should get involved and promote new talents - so that these talents don;t end up in the music industry meat grinder. And I mean real involvement, not like that Bono dude only gave the world his son (which BTW surpasses his dad in musical quality - at his age). Real involvement - money, influence, promotion, the whole lot. Like when David Gilmour paid and gave studio time to Kate Bush...
    Now I realize you don;t need to be a rich, famous rock star to do that (and most rich/famous rock stars hardly ever do that anyway). People like Rick can set the stage and introduce us to good, new music. The example here is probably not the best, since 3rd Secret is not a bunch of teens with new ideas, but it's a great start.
    BTW - Rick, you keep saying "Beautiful!" a lot. And it's deserved :)

  • Mr White
    Mr White 11 днів тому +2

    The great thing about the grunge bands mentioned was they wrote great songs sung by some of the best singers ever. We don't need some new revolution. Nor does it have to be a remake of the past. Stop overcomplicating things people! It's not all about genres! Just great songs and great singing.

  • Augustus Betucius
    Augustus Betucius Місяць тому +30

    What revolution? Did I miss something? I never heard anything in the video explicitly about a revolution. I'm hearing a lot of talk about grunge and the 90s recently, but something even more important is being overlooked that if it weren't for, the 90s wouldn't have happened the way they did, namely the 80s. Meat Puppets, Butthole Surfers, Flaming Lips, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, etc. Having seen the Meat Puppets, Butthole Surfers, and a number of other indie and punk 80s bands, and watching that whole scene happen, I can tell you that was more of a revolution than what happened in the 90s. Grunge had the interest and support of the major labels. But the 80s indie and punk bands had nothing of the sort. If it weren't for SST, Touch and Go and a few other labels, Those bands probably wouldn't have ever been able to put out any recordings. Then they had to tour constantly under the harshest conditions. I can recall talking to Cris, Curt and Derrick (Meat Puppets) before or after shows. Seeing them touring in small trailers/camper vans, or in the case of the BHS, a small station wagon (if memory serves). The grunge movement didn't have to ever leave Seattle (at least not much) until they were signed and had label support, and then had far better conditions than their predecessors. Nirvana and other Seattle bands name check these groups, so clearly they were the forefathers/mothers of grunge. What happened in the 80s seems to be more of a revolution than the 90s. This should also include British and UK bands as well. 4AD and other indie British labels were making exposure and distribution possible for artists that might not have otherwise been heard.
    What this is all saying is that the revolution that is needed now is DIY. To hell with the labels (what's left of them) Spotify and all the rest. What's needed is a substack for music and musicians. But without any sort of benevolent authority handing out checks to artists, it needs to truly be DIY and allow the artists to be free to create and perform, on their own, on their own terms. We got dangerously close in the 80s, but SST and Touch and Go eventually folded. It needs to be artist created and maintained, by the artists for the artists. I'm not clear on the how of it all, but we can look to the late 70s and early to mid 80s punk/indie scene for inspiration, as well as what *not* to do.
    The 90s and grunge (a label A&R entity created term) were still dependent on benevolent dictators on high at labels for their existence. Ani DeFranco and Ian McKaye/Fugazi (as well as Robert Fripp's DGM) are also excellent models to look to for how to truly revolutionize music, and get those who are nothing more than leeches profiting off the backs of the artist out of the equation once and for all. Look to the past for inspiration and ideas, but look to the future and do something that has never quite been done before.
    Side note: Curious and telling that the Meat Puppets had been around for fifteen years, had desperately courted several major labels without any success. It wasn't until Kurt Cobain brought them onstage at the Nirvana MTV performance that they finally gained mainstream acceptance, and were finally signed to a major label. What's more, they had to shed almost all of the on the verge of out of control qualities that made their early shows so damn great. The Butthole Surfers were effectively neutered in order to gain mainstream acceptance. An artist should *never* have to bend at all or rely on wide mainstream approval (read: label support obtained by jumping through hoops) to be able to be successful.

    • zucchinigreen
      zucchinigreen 15 днів тому

      Dude, Rick's social media assistant is trying to get clicks.
      Relax. Feel the vibe.

    • Augustus Betucius
      Augustus Betucius Місяць тому

      @david montgomery Sure, but he can start including those names within the context of something else relevant. If he had a better knowledge of music history, particularly of more independent and DIY music and music scenes, he could do that. This video about the 90s grunge would have been the *perfect* opportunity to mention the 80s indie scenes. That he thinks the 90s grunge was a revolution reveals his ignorance (no disrespect intended). Whatever revolution may be needed, the 90s grunge is decidedly *NOT* it. That's just going to breath more life into a predatory music industry that really needs to die. It needs to die so something new can be born.

    • david montgomery
      david montgomery Місяць тому +1

      Right ON !!! Augustus !! Rick gets LOTS of Views by Name Dropping the Biggies ,if he had any of the Bands you mentioned in a Video Title He wouldn't get many Views ,even tho those bands were much better than any of the Grunge Stuff .An Oz of Image is worth a Lb of Performance .

    • Alerie Hightower
      Alerie Hightower Місяць тому

      @Peter Blakers YES!! The Lime Spiders are still on regular rotation for me.

    • Peter Blakers
      Peter Blakers Місяць тому +2

      Yes. And the LIME SPIDERS from Oz.

  • Dario Impini
    Dario Impini Місяць тому

    I spent 6 years in Seattle. It's an incredibly beautiful landscape and I actually enjoyed the weather; very good for photography as you well illustrated. But when I think back on my time there, sadly all I can do is cringe -- the human experience beginning to end was what made me leave. It's the people there that make it a miserable place. The nature there is lovely.
    Nice music by the way.

  • Kevy Nova
    Kevy Nova Місяць тому +1

    I turned 18 in 1991. At the time, I mostly listened to “Boomer” music like The Beatles, Hendrix, The Who, Zeppelin, etc because I loved Rock but couldn’t get into the pink spandex and cheesy songs of hair metal. When I first heard Nirvana, it was like a great awakening! Dudes (and dudettes) who looked like me and my friends making kickass music with smart lyrics and huge guitars! It was a great time to be alive and I’m still waiting for another similar musical revolution to happen.

  • BealeZebub
    BealeZebub Місяць тому +260

    I was barely 10 years old when Smells Like Teen Spirit magically appeared on my tv. My jaw dropped. I pleaded to my parents to buy me a guitar. Thank the music gods because they did, that Christmas. Music, as I had known it was transformed forever and subsequently my life as I knew it was transformed forever. I’ve never looked back.

    • aboveaxis
      aboveaxis Місяць тому +1

      exactly the same story here

    • michelle per
      michelle per Місяць тому

      ​@twa there are many top of the list has george michael, freddie, sting, david bowie, roland orzabal, barry gibb, elton john, rod stewart, stevie, tina, michael, paul john and george, sinatra, elvis, prince, marvin, kate, cyndi, whithney, the cure, metalica, pearl jam, billy idol, list is long but the top 10 i put there are pretty much top 10 pop/rock musicians in history

    • michelle per
      michelle per Місяць тому

      @twa sorry nothing good human wise in the last 25 years not 10, my bad.
      Dont delude yourself there is no music, there is no creativity that is even remotely close to anything that resembling the 20st century. Movies? Netflix is not movies.
      Quality of the gen is 1/10. i give the 1 just because there is 10% that are decent but lost among forest full of zombies.

    • michelle per
      michelle per Місяць тому

      @twa duh ofc, all garbage nowadays, i have not seen a good song or a good movie for at least 10 years, this is a lifetime, it is all ruined.

    • Nockian Lifter
      Nockian Lifter Місяць тому +2

      I was in my late 20s and only came across SLTS when I was testing out a set of speakers. The shop owner asked what I listened to, but I hadn’t a clue as I’d been stuck in an 80s time warp. He put on that track and a few minutes in he asked me what I thought of the speakers. I said, “never mind the speakers who the hell is this”. It’s never become stale after decades of plays.

  • dogfood8541
    dogfood8541 Місяць тому

    Damn..... I literally got shivers around the 4 minute mark when you qued up that 2nd song.
    I'm really excited to dive into them.

  • Raul Vergara
    Raul Vergara Місяць тому +1

    The current Seattle music scene has a very similar thing to the 90s going on right now! I have watched so many great local punk bands just this year alone. And been to some great house shows. Definitely check it out if you’re looking for great new bands!

  • ToolHeadJr.
    ToolHeadJr. Місяць тому +3

    Glim Spanky is an amazing band that has that throwback sound while not sounding like a carbon copy of old. Their new album, "Into the Time Hole" is really good.

    BSTOI Місяць тому +1

    I've been having thoughts along the same lines recently. Something needs to cut through the noise. The difficulty with now compared to the 90's is that the market and media are so saturated. It's compounded by short attention spans and reward centres that don't have time (or simply refuse) to reflect or engage in meaningful thought. I feel like the recent Kate Bush and Metallica resurrections show two things; 1. That well-written/composed music is timeless, and 2. Music as a stand alone medium is not as powerful as it once was. To make an impact on society it needs to be partnered with visual media.
    That's what I'm thinking at the moment, anyway.

  • David Flower
    David Flower Місяць тому +63

    Rick, in less than one minute you've given the most concise, but most detailed and revealing, description of the musical elements of grunge I've ever heard.

  • f0kxi
    f0kxi Місяць тому

    As someone who’s been making music mostly with a computer for the last decade. I have yet to see a computer surpass the magic that is created from a good performance

  • Maurizio Mezzatesta
    Maurizio Mezzatesta Місяць тому

    As I've gotten older I complain about new music less because good music never really goes away anyway. That said, I've discovered a lot of great new music even in the last 10 years. If I miss anything its the live music culture in general that I feel has suffered the most.

  • Aram Fingal
    Aram Fingal Місяць тому

    Great piece Rick! There is some great stuff coming out of more indie labels. The 90s are coming back baby!

  • Dylan McFarland
    Dylan McFarland Місяць тому +1

    Rick just always has these super reductionist or "inherent" takes about this sort of stuff. The whole first half was describing these apparently inherently good qualities of all of this music, but it seems to me that he likes these bands and went through and post-talk justified why its good music. I cant see him complimenting a Katy Perry song on her 3+3+2 subdivision of a measure... And then the last half of the video was concluded with him saying that this bands dark sound is because they all happen to live in a city where its known to be rainy? Maybe they had similar darker backstories that drew them together, or maybe that's just the music they like. This essentialist attitude towards art which is as subjective as subjective gets is why I cant keep watching this dude. He knows his theory and he can write a good tune, but man do his takes about what makes music good need some perspective.

  • Michael Dungee
    Michael Dungee Місяць тому +3

    One of my favorite bands was Helmet, saw Nirvana at the Limelight, back in the 90's when CBGB'S was open the angry music scene was amazing. But after 911,something happened. If you complained about America through your music, if you complained about anything through your music well you might find yourself investigated. Then electronic music emerged, and the handwriting was on the wall . Now pop stars like machine gun Kelly pose as rock stars. Pop stars are pretty stars and you better twerk! Get on stage, play the track and the fake mosh pit appears. Most kids today could never handle a mosh pit of bands like Pantera, Sepultura or Fear factory. I myself have been working on a rock project as I was in a thrash band back in the 90's. Maybe I should move to Seattle because New York 's live music scene is dead. Dead Kennedy's ?

  • nevertoofast2
    nevertoofast2 Місяць тому +3

    There is a great deal of really good music being made by young musicians today. Dirty Honey has a modern take on classic rock of the 70's. with an incredible vocalist in Mark Labelle. Mixedupeverything four brothers from Australia who started on youtube as a cover band, have two albums of original music with a unique mix of grunge with heavy rock. And finally Rick, when are you going to do an interview with Matteo Mancuso the most revolutionary guitarist since Allan Holdsworth?

    • orlock20
      orlock20 Місяць тому

      Three "new" bands I like are Starcrawler, Liliac and Southern Avenue.

  • Peter Schuetz
    Peter Schuetz Місяць тому +2

    Killer content, Rick! Your analysis put verbal shape to my long-held love for grunge. All of those great bands you mentioned still blow me away!

  • Charles Laine
    Charles Laine Місяць тому

    I always have very specific memories that are triggered by early to mid 90s grunge music. Soundgarden in particular will always trigger very specific and vivid memories of people, places, and events. It's really weird to me how this happens in my now-aging brain!!!

  • King Of HeArts👑
    King Of HeArts👑 Місяць тому +18

    People tend to forget that WAY before Grunge, Jimi Hendrix was from Seattle as well.

    • King Of HeArts👑
      King Of HeArts👑 Місяць тому +1

      I think you could include them too. Bands from Washington state.

    • VK3
      VK3 Місяць тому +1

      How about The Kingsmen? From Portland but is it a stretch to say they represent the PNW in general?

  • TsipouroGiveaway
    TsipouroGiveaway 29 днів тому

    Hello there Rick.
    I 've been watching your videos about 3 years now and i never heard you talk or even refer to Chuck Schuldiner Death's lead singer song writer and father of death metal.
    I know you don't hear this music but you MUST dig a little bit more into his music he is incredible.
    I love your work and your mind behind music, keep bringing the light to us and teach us with your own perfect way.

  • Dram
    Dram Місяць тому +16

    Grunge won the speed run from “outsider scene” to “J.C. Penny catalog”. Seriously it was like a year and a half.
    I can’t think of anything that was commercialized quite so fast.

    • Brown Girl in a Clown World
      Brown Girl in a Clown World 20 днів тому +3

      Gangsta rap went through the same thing around the same time. In 1988, when NWA released Straight Outta Compton, it was underground but by 1992, when Dr. Dre released The Chronic, it was huge. Pop Rap like Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer went from being on top of the world in 1990 to being goofy has-beens by 1992.

    • Scott Wheeler
      Scott Wheeler Місяць тому

      It took rap/hip-hop a long time, but today most national ads feature hip-hop beats. Rock has become rare, although a few beer commercials still use it.

    • LorcaLoca
      LorcaLoca Місяць тому +1

      So true. Watch the documentary HYPE

    • Bruno Bailly
      Bruno Bailly Місяць тому

      Well, actually most "trendy new stuff" is commercialized that fast. Except that Grunge was REALLY undeground AND really anti-establishment... Before it started to become part of the establishement.

  • James Hubbs
    James Hubbs 26 днів тому

    Your analysis of the music from those bands is spot on very well described the best I have ever herd from anyone.

  • Omar Kamel
    Omar Kamel Місяць тому

    All respect to Rick’s fans that, despite their love and respect for him, are rightfully saying that the revolution needs to come from fresh new bands, and won’t ever come from what is, at best, a nostalgia-satisfying supergroup.

  • pantheon777
    pantheon777 Місяць тому +8

    I'm from Florida, and I love dark music. Maybe it's not the climate so much. I remember being a young 20 something in 1995 going over the bridge around midnight and feeling how dark, gloomy and morbidly hopeless the world felt. The Apathy of my generation [X] made me feel like the needed changes the world needed were never going to happen. I feel more hope now b/c of the younger generations.

  • D Dub
    D Dub Місяць тому +1

    I always am sad when the band helmet gets left out of the talk of early mid 90s bands. In the meantime was such a killer album

  • Robert Kennedy
    Robert Kennedy Місяць тому +1

    I still remember the first time I heard Grunge music, I was lucky to grow up with all the glam/hair bands from the 80's and early 90's and at first I wasn't completely sold, but slowly grew on me to the point I ended up loving it, and to this day I still do, it really sucks what happened to Kurt Cobain, Taylor Hawkins and Chris Cornell, they were part of four of my favorite bands.

  • Tony Garcia
    Tony Garcia Місяць тому +18

    If you’re looking for the spirit of the 90s you should check out the band Wet Leg. They just made the best album I’ve heard in years. A little pit of pop punk and a little bit of grunge, and some disillusionment makes for some great music.

    • panriso
      panriso Місяць тому +1

      Thank you for this. Such a great band that’s getting bigger and bigger, hopefully Rick sees this comment.

    • Rossen Dimitrov
      Rossen Dimitrov Місяць тому +2

      Is _your_ muffin buttered? 😊 They sound a bit like sonic youth, a bit like the breeders. Great fun though. I'm sure they have their own sound, just to me it sounds a little like that. Also don't know why but the overall lyrics ki da remind me of the vaselines. In Short - great band.

  • Nicola W
    Nicola W Місяць тому +120

    That second song had a real Jeff Buckley-y tone to it. As someone in the UK the Seattle music scene speaks to my soul - grungey, grey, mizzley sludge is simply perfection

    • Happy PAPI
      Happy PAPI Місяць тому

      With a bit of Decemberists thrown in. Hazards of Love era. Another Northwest band, specifically Portland.

    • Alexandros Hrissidis
      Alexandros Hrissidis Місяць тому

      Maybe you should hear seasons from the soundtrack singles?

    • Douglas Ferreira Ambrosio
      Douglas Ferreira Ambrosio Місяць тому +1

      The beginning reminds me the song So Real

    • Noah -
      Noah - Місяць тому +1

      Reminded me of Lilac Wine

    • Ade Riley
      Ade Riley Місяць тому +1

      Seattle soul connected to
      North west UK sound soul directed;
      Few grand schemers get you. Hectic overgrowing garden sound.
      Fist clenched; teeth ground.
      Lost and recovered in
      Nirvana, mana.
      Darkened windows, grey cloud passing.
      Goosebumped neck and
      Belly laughing.

  • JohnPMusic
    JohnPMusic Місяць тому

    Very interesting video Rick. I think it may have to do with a specific geographic location, but more from the fact that young people were getting together in a room with other players with live instruments and creating something based off of what they absorbed in the environment they lived in. Then bringing that to the stage to present to the people who live in these regions who will determine if it will stick. I don't think that happens as much today, with the end goal being how many likes, followers, etc someone can get from their bedroom. Also! We've been saying for decades how rainy climates produce great songs, lol. There might be something to that.

  • Patrick Doyle
    Patrick Doyle Місяць тому +1

    3:37 - wow, chills seeing Kim Thayil play that riff. It's like a time machine, because it's 90s but it's new!

  • Alexander Kushnarev
    Alexander Kushnarev Місяць тому +2

    Thank you so much for sharing this amazing band Rick. I really like grunge and I think its a shame that simply there's no music like that being made today.

  • Geoff Lupton
    Geoff Lupton Місяць тому

    Some more great insights on the music and the culture. My Dad was stationed at McChord AFB back in the early 60's, so I lived several years in the climate up could be depressing!

  • Paul Jansen
    Paul Jansen Місяць тому +218

    As a guy in his teenage years when Grunge was big I still listen to a lot of these bands....especially AIC!! greetings from Amsterdam, mr Beato!!

    • Mars
      Mars Місяць тому

      Alice in Chains was my fave of the generation as well.

    • Raul Castillo
      Raul Castillo Місяць тому +1

      Can I shamelessly promote my band to you too see if you like what we're doing? We're heavily grunge inspired

    • Scott Castro
      Scott Castro Місяць тому +2

      @CorbCorbin their harmonies were phenomenal. AIC still uses them, but they just aren’t the same without Staley’s power and darkness.

    • CorbCorbin
      CorbCorbin Місяць тому +4

      @Paul Taylor
      Love Staley’s voice, but after I started playing music myself, I suddenly realized how many great vocals, where Layne is higher in the mix, still has Jerry harmonizing with him.
      They had such a difference in approach, and it just complimented their sound so well, with how songs were written.
      Also, they were excellent acoustic players, from the start.

    • Robert Von Darth
      Robert Von Darth Місяць тому +3

      Yes, yes it does

  • Ben Fowler
    Ben Fowler Місяць тому

    I love Seattle. Been there a number of times. Cool city, great music, great food places too. Almost moved there more than once. Great snowboarding nearby too

  • Hefty Boi
    Hefty Boi Місяць тому

    Interesting. I've always hated grunge with a passion because my family members would constantly play it. I sat down one day to try and find a single grunge band I enjoyed and it wasn't a success. I imagine the next musical revolution will come out of nowhere and surprise everyone. Hopefully it's not grunge 2.0 lol.

  • David Batchelder
    David Batchelder Місяць тому +2

    I moved here to Seattle in 89. I love that we have all been enjoying different strains of artistic alchemy for the last 30 years +/-
    I hope 3rd Secret continues to grow and evolve. Really love this short clip Rick! Thank You :)

  • Well Guitar
    Well Guitar Місяць тому +1

    Grunge made me really love music and got me into rock and playing guitar

  • Adam Blackshaw
    Adam Blackshaw Місяць тому +62

    Growing up in the 70s as a teenager, heavy rock and punk were in my DNA. When I heard grunge for the first time I thought it sounded really 'funny'. People seem to forget just how different it seemed at the time. But of course i was quick to become a huge fan. Glad I saw Nirvana live among others.

    • Saturated Neō Wax
      Saturated Neō Wax Місяць тому

      @CL oh, I consider them better-than-grunge myself

    • CL
      CL Місяць тому

      Neil Young and Crazy Horse are considered proto grunge

    • gazzie12000
      gazzie12000 Місяць тому +2

      Same as you, 70s teenager, and I thought the same about grunge, except I thought it was utter rubbish then and still do! The start of music becoming worse and worse - and that downwards trend is still going on 30 years later!

  • Mark House
    Mark House Місяць тому

    Great commentary, Rick. I live in Seattle and record almost daily while working as a cab driver.

  • Brandi M
    Brandi M Місяць тому

    I’d love to see Rick do a Rival Sons video. There is so much great music still being made.

  • 6runger
    6runger Місяць тому +1

    Thank you so much for this video Rick! Digging 3rd secret!!

  • gizmo59
    gizmo59 Місяць тому

    "Winter Solstice" has a sound that reminds me of Fairport Convention, the seminal folk-rock band. A lot of Fairport Convention's music were actual folk songs, a lot of them modal, which gave their music a Medieval vibe as well.

  • Henrik H.S Husøy
    Henrik H.S Husøy Місяць тому +64

    Theres always something to relate to in grunge. It humanizes music. It was the most realistic rock scene imo. So much of real life themes that many of us go through. Its the connection that the bands had with the fans that made it great! They were all every-men. They were all just like us.

  • Chrispy80
    Chrispy80 Місяць тому

    I’m so glad you did this video. I hadn’t heard anything about 3rd Secret, and they’re incredible. What an album.

  • kmmk292929
    kmmk292929 Місяць тому

    The Winter Solstice song kinda reminds me of the Battle of Evermore by Led Zeppelin, I dig it. So happy Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Pearl Jam members have joined together, that's so freakin cool. I feel there is actually a revolution of psyche/fuzz/doom stuff, but it feels like not many pay as close attention to that. Particularly in Australia too, lots of psyche bands coming from there, like King Gizzard, Tame Impala, Babe Rainbow, Pond, ORB, etc.

  • DeerSlayerAudio
    DeerSlayerAudio Місяць тому +1

    I was a junior in highschool in 1991. Grunge not only changed the music scene, it changed the fashion scene overnight. Everyone had Dr Martens, ripped jeans and flannel my senior year. I still have a love hate relationship with grunge, as I was a hair band junky all through highschool in the late 80's. Today I find myself listening to hair bands more than grunge... but every now and then I hear a song like Down in a hole, or them bones, or Alive and I'm like damn... that was awesome music!!

  • GuitarJoe
    GuitarJoe Місяць тому

    I was 18 in 1994 so I was right there in the 90's grunge scene...I haven't left yet..Great video Rick