Ruined for Life - Picking a Node
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
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One of the real dangers of load development processes is jumping to conclusions based on group size during testing. The load development process needs to contain checks and balances to prevent selecting a load that is balancing on the edge of a razor.
This channel is so underappreciated. Keep up the great content.
I’m wondering if new brass is as accurate as fire formed brass. Thanks.
Yeah, I found the Type 4 node!! Starting to look for the Type 1 & 2s. Excellent presentation of performance and precision.
The sense of humor gets me by surprise pretty much every time
Excellent way of explaining it. I shoot a type one. I don’t shoot f class but hunt. I need to know the gun is perfectly stable in all weathers and if I miss it was me not the gun. There is a type 4 node at 58 grains of imr 4831 which is max but a change in the weather may mess it up. It’s fast, shoots nice groups at three hundred yards but I need rock solid. If it’s too windy I can hold off the shot and allow the wind to settle. So far it’s got me an antelope At 386 and 450 yards one shot kills.
I've only grasped this concept truly in the last year and gotta say as a mechanic your analogy hit home! Trying to play it safer these days but the temptation is real lol
That’s very helpful Keith. One of those things that I ‘should’ve noticed’ (and didn’t) but is now so clear! Explains why my best tunes are always so touchy. Much appreciated.
I really appreciate you doing these videos. Thank you
I shoot type 1 from 13°C and above but type 2 from 11°C and below. Thanks for another excellent video Keith !!!
Great explanation
I’ve heard the siren song on the type 4 node with my 223 Ruger Precision Rifle. Had a top 5 finish in a Hathcock match with the load then came in 3rd from the bottom in a PRS-style match…
Thank you for your content. So much information for a budding rifle enthusiast. Happy Holidays to you!
Great video explaining. Easy to follow knowledge based on your experience or those around you. Had your videos been around 30 or 40 years back.
Great explanation Keith. Thanks very much for sharing.
When I use node in reloading it is a harmonic happy location with regards to powder load with a particular barrel and projectile.
Great way of helping one understand. Appreciate it.
I am 4 minutes in a video and I can say this is one of the best videos about the nodes there. Thanks!
Thank you patreons and Keith.
Great analog, I starting to shoot more of a type 1 node for PRS consistency is key vs upmost accuracy
Thank you for the knowledge
Wow this was helpful. My hunting loads have been a type 3-4. I always felt speed kills and it does but I’ve had a couple misses and I’ve noticed the accuracy change from day to day or location to location.
Brilliant video! Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
This gave me questions!
Good information
This one hit home... I have loads in .308 and .300 Win Mag... The .308 is a Type 1 pushing a 175 MK at 2550. Slow but pinpoint accurate. The 300 Win Mag is a 225 ELDM @ 2880... Good velocity, but grouping can be fickle depending on conditions... And it's on the upper end of the min-max limit. So probably not too friendly where brass life is concerned.
The end result here is basically what Hornady did recently when selecting an alternative powder to reloader 26 which is getting increasingly rare. This is with the 7 PRC. 100fps slower and trying to keep the accuracy.
thankyou for saying this out loud,🙂now can you comment on hornady episode #50 your groups are too small..do i have to revisit load development?
I want to marry a type two node. Sorry dude you may have used cars but I heard what you were sayin’.
Node is past tense of know.
Thank you for the content. Great as always! When I think of "a node" I think of some combination of factors that are consistent: velocity nodes, barrel harmonics nodes, optimal barrel time nodes, etc. Do your type 1, 2, and 4 nodes represent any combination of factors? Do they all have some mixture of similar factors, but in different proportions? Ultimately the target tells the tale of the tape, but what should we be looking for to identify nodes?
The types are all about stability. For reference, an OBT node would tend to be a Type 1.
@@winninginthewind in case you don’t see my other comment as a PCNW shooter yourself and obviously knowledgeable in terms of channel growth and so forth you might look into a channel called Ultimate Reloader he’s Washington based as well. It might make for a good collaboration.
Is it fair to say that knowing what node you have: 1,2, or 4 is only identifiable when you shoot quite a bit of those nodes? Its great to have a way to identify the node characteristics, but the only way in my mind here to know what is what is to shoot in different temps, winds with the various loads. so identify 2 or maybe 3 nodes, load up some of each and then shoot them and determine what they do.
Keith, when fireforming virgin brass, do you run the bullet into the lands to prevent an overstretching situation?
60% of the time it works every time.
I keep finding type 4's. 5 round group 1-5 I'll have 1, 3, and 5 all touch during seating adjustment. Pick #3 because it's in the middle and it opens up like 2 and 4 on the next trip out.
Maybe a gas gun thing, probably a me thing.
Semi autos have 2 recoil impulses to manage. The initial bang and then bcg slamming back. Could be part of your issue? Little more perfection required than a bolt gun.
@@Mr.Killswitch you say that but you couldn't know I use a Cali mag release to lock the bolt back after every shot, and a BAD lever to manually load to minimize heat soak into the powder. I have one impulse during the shot. The bullet is long gone by the time my action cycles to the rear anyway. 24" rifle gas 7.62x39, just enough gas to cycle, brass looks like bolt gun brass.
I've managed a single 1/2 moa group when I wasn't trying, everything else is pretty pathetic. Brass is trimmed and bumped .002, annealed, powder trickled on an A&Dfx120i. Velocities are tight. It either has super tight windows that it likes or it's just erratic and nothing will fix it.
I should’ve type for node because I like drive myself nuts 😂😂
What about a carbon mirage shield that is only added with velcro?
Those are pretty darn light. I'm using a piece of vertical blind material. It doesn't make any noticeable difference.
You seem like the type that might have a reasonable opinion about a pneumatic system for checking case volumes.
I'm newer to F-Class pushing the 184 Berger at 2778 average in my straight 284 in a 32" Krieger w/ Lapua Brass, H4831SC . Which type node would you classify that as based on your experience? I feel like it's maybe the type 2 because the next node is around 2825 and I start to hit pressure above that. I have no idea where my type 1 would be because I started LD near my current velocity.
I tried that, and the 2775 node acted like a Type 4. 2825ish is a Type 2 in my recollection. I ended up moving to H4350 because it is more forgiving in the PNW.
your version of a daily driver is very different than mine
Also, seriously my man how have you and Paul Harrell not done a live stream or some such?
Or Gavin from Ultimate Reloader?
So how are you identifying what node you're experiencing?
More information to boggle my feeble brain!🙃
Thanks Keith
I seem to be loading to your type 4 node
Have you identified cartridge fill rate to the node?
Do your nodes parallel to the OBT barrel length nodes?
Thanks
Greg
Hi Greg,
I replied to your question with a private message. Thank you for your support of the channel!
Blow'd up and on fire, Wahoo
I kept waiting on the punchline… why no type 3?
I think Amber Heard might be a Type 4 Node?
Yeah but I bet every once in a while Johnny’s remembering the time she was hitting that X at a thousand…so to speak. I listened to that whole trial, a us Y chromos are darn lucky the jury saw through her BS.
Type one, everytime, consistant wins in the long run, just dont mess up ,if you want more pace go to a 7saum still in type one load,just faster than 284 , simples, I shoot 284AI
Node……fancy word for pressure😉
And harmonics
Better definition
I love this channel at 72 Kieth makes me think and that is a good thing Now if I can figure out how to do it lol
Kinda want to know what a type 4 node woman analogy would be?
Do you really?
It's a red head hairdresser named Heather
Bpd. What you want one day and your worst nightmare the next. Or the same day.
@@crvnmrhd you see a hairdresser? You know you can buy a pair of clippers and just buzz it at home?
Your future x wife
Well your mistake was telling your wife!
That’s what secret P.O. Boxes and credit cards are for. I’d never step out on What’s’er’name with another but I’ll be damned if she knows what my toys actually cost; until she’s going through my estate inventory anyhow.
@@charleshetrick3152 LOL 😅
he said "train wreck" what kind of White Noise is this? lol
Now let’s hear the woman analogy on patrean.
Type 1 is not HOT! :-)
Better go to rumble Patrean censors too much
Great info. as usual, ..... & unlike another f-class shooter, (no need to mention his name,....& I don't ever watch his videos because, after a few times was enough), your videos are packed full of info., unlike his, is nothing but about ME ME ME ME with just a bit of useless info., & just as useless little lucky experience..... if any, ..... - precisely why there is not even a need to mention his name - it's a given.....LMAO !!!....it's nauseating,.....SO - I am saying - you produce great videos full of useful info. with vast - logical & knowledgeable experience ..... & it is greatly appreciated. - Thank You again fer graciously sharing.
I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding this, but doesn't this contradict what you said in this earlier video?: ua-cam.com/video/gY65LDC64KM/v-deo.html
I fear you misunderstand. The video you linked is about why it is fruitless to try to use chronograph readings and associated statistics to "find" a good load. In this video, I am specifically talking about loads that shoot small groups, and this can be accomplished without a chronograph at all.
@@winninginthewind Thanks for the clarification.
Sorry Man. But this video makes absolutely no sense to me. I guess I got a lot to learn
There’s a channel called mail call Mondays that has a great video on working up loads for folks not already thigh deep into this sorta business.