Good advice, Robert, and just common sense, really. I've fallen into that trap too many times, buying 'must have' albums. Especially box sets that include an 'outtakes' lp. I'll listen to outtakes once, and then never again. Big waste of money! Glad you mentioned the '180 gram' scam. I learned my lesson on that one years ago. All ground level collectors should check out this video!
I absolutely echo the comment about go deep not wide. When you start out, it's REALLY easy to get pulled wide. Because you go to fairs and see everything and it's like being ain a candy shop, plus you tend to think of what you SHOULD have rather than what you want. The trick is to be honest with yourself and there is one simple trick I've found that helps - write it down. I've done this with my kids for birthday presents, other friends and so on. You simply make a list of what you want. Every time something new comes along, you add AND review the list entirely. If you see anything you don't now feel so enamoured about, scrub it off. By the time you get to use your list, you have something which absolutely reflects what you want. It works really well. Every time someone said "you haven't got any jazz" to me, I'd remind them I'm making my collection to play for ME. I don't like jazz at all. So focus on what you really like - you'll appreciate it more.
Hi Robert, your video made me laugh & smile all the way through! Thank you! I‘ve started collecting records 52 years ago - and made some, not all of the mistakes you talked about. One of my problems were: I couldn’t let go („who knows“ 🥳). But during the decades I had to move several times - and each time I sorted the „cool to have“ records out because I had to. They were hundreds - but I rebought only 2 of them later. Missed the other ones not in one second. Now I have a decent collection of about 500 vinyls and 1000 CDs. That’s the eternal core of my music library. In most cases a huge collection is the result of decades of collecting - and look, here comes a new enemy: lifetime (meaning the rest of it). Now at the latest it‘s time to know who you are, and your music is one thing that defines you. Get rid of all the albums that have nothing to do with you - and enjoy your „friends“! - Thanks again for your wise AND funny video, Robert. Greetings from Berlin, Harry
Yes, lifetime. As I've gotten older I am realizing that I'm just not going to have time to listen to absolutely everything so prioritizing has become the, well, priority.
@@RobertFithen My problem is I actually genuinely like a lot of shit, so I go deep and wide. Something I do that I need to stop is multiple copies of the same record.
Thank you for validating me Robert. I’m exactly that person you described. I don’t care what anyone else thinks I have the music I wanna have. And that includes no Fleetwood Mac. I hate the band Angel… But I have an Angel album, why? I’ll never know why. I checked my Discogs just by coincidence when I watched this video. I have exactly 500 in my collection. And I am a completist I would say. The ones I do like I have as much as I can find, or afford. For someone who’s been rockin since the early 70s that’s not too bad. I’m glad I saved my albums during the years I was raising a family. They were in an old army trunk in the basement.
Smart advice! Too many times I’ve bought something that someone told me I needed for my collection and I hated the record Also going to a used record store and buying dollar bin records for quantity rather then quality I’ve done that Your advice is good I’ve learned the hard way!!!
Robert, great video. Thought it would be another one of these basic tips/intro videos (how to clean, how to store, handling vinyl etc) that are all over the place here. But you hit the nail on the head re buying only records YOU want, not the click-baity list suggestionss etc. And be prepared to dispose of records if you don’t enjoy them anymore. Let someone else have them and use any money generated to buy records you want and will play. Couldn’t agree more with everything on here, well said. Away to go back through my collection once more and bin the placemarkers...!!
Me too! I only have enough space for about 1500 cd's and have culled about the same amount over past 35 years or do. If you look at the cd and can't bare to put it on means it's got to go.
Thanks, Robert for making me feel better about rebuilding my collection. I lost most of them in 2019 when I moved which included the records I inherited from my parents (someone threw them out along with my laserdiscs). I only have 1/4 of what I had, and I am looking for records I love. 🙂
I made probably all of the mistakes you mention when I started collecting back in the 70s. Purged my collection for CDs later on, but recently have been buying a few quality LPs that I really love or loved. Excellent advice and thank you for another great video! And Thin Lizzy? Hell, yes!!
While I was in the Air Force 1970-74, I could invested in good quality component equipment, including a Dual 1219 turntable. I admit I've been spoiled, but what a way to go. And the vinyl records sound just as good today as they did when new fifty years ago. If you take care of your toys, they'll last a long time.
So many points that hit home with me. Nothing worse than buying a record that everyone says is a must have and discovering that I don’t like it. Or buying a record that looks ok in the store and getting it home, cleaning it and discovering it’s terrible.
The one that hit me the most was something I fell victim too. The “must have” records, I buy it, and hate it. Then try to convince myself that I like it because everyone else does. But still hate it. Now, thankfully, I just buy what I like.
I think alot of record collectors go through alot of these things you are saying. Im still learning. Been collecting since 2009. I'm trying to let go of a bunch of stuff. "It's not a pen!s, thickness doesn't matter!" - Robert Fithen. This should be on a t-shirt. BTW, I posted this comment before seeing the end of the video.
👏👏👏 Well put, Robert! Purge underway now. --'Placeholders' were a fact of life for me, and this purge has filtered a lot out so far. --Because I'll dig anywhere, I keep a box of "Rogues and Bastards"; LPs/covers missing, but they MUST be ones I want! --If you want to geek out over 8-tracks, I haven't dug into mine to purge yet, but will need to very soon. There are so many, maybe it's stream worthy(?)
I agree. This album collection I have IS a reflection of me. 1,500+ now. I have been digging deep now for the last 6 months. Getting obscured psych and odd early rock albums. In my collection I have no KISS albums. Just not into them. I would say my collection is one that many out there would want to have. I do need to purge some albums now. Thanks Robert for another great video. Peace and love man.....
Love it when you endorse reissues, which can be just as enjoyable as originals if done right,. Deep respect, sur. Love it too when you endorse the Betty Davis reissue (and that's my favorite of hers -- my PR company was called Big Freak based on that campaign). If you ever see a reissue put out by the label I work for Org Music, I'd be happy to send you anything that strikes your fancy (right now I'm hyping Westbound Sound Vol. 1 and Bad Brains' I Against I reissue). Thank you for all your wisdom, humor, and experience in the music world shared with us!
Very informative for a beginner. Absolutely love the green Brain label t shirt. My favorite Kraut rock bands were on that label. Grobschnitt being number one on my list!
All good advice. Even before you started talking, looking over at a wall full of albums, I said to myself "I wish I didn't have so many records because they are somehow obligatory, famous, classics or generally what you are meant to have - a necessary part of any "worthwhile" collection". Here's looking at you Thriller, Dark Side, Rumours, Sgt. Pepper, Hell Bat, Bollocks and ZoSo. They are now on the way out but the problem is selling them at supposed Discog prices locally. In my experience Auction Houses return only about a third of a record's "value" and online sales are a lot of work. I can make double the money at my day job hour-for-hour. Keep up the excellent videos.
I bought a turntable to add to my system early on in the "lockdown" I had saved maybe 20 LPs after switching to CDs in the 80s and regrettably got rid of all my other albums. My goal when I started collecting again was to replace all my favorites. I buy mainly from flea markets, my local record store, Discogs and the occasional Walmart/ Amazon purchase. When buying used I try to keep it at VG + and sometimes take a VG if it's a particularly good album (some original mono Blue Note's etc). I usually avoid beater covers unless the wax is outstanding. A bit of ring wear doesn't bother me. If I see a reasonable upgrade in the wild for a good price I'll pull the trigger and donate the old ones. I'm now up to 675 albums even after parsing my collection. I've now refrained from buying something just to have it but it took a while to learn it. I definitely still have records I'll likely never play again, like the Ian Hunter Short Back & Sides in NM I just had to buy from the $1 bin.
Robert, interesting topic for conversations which can go on forever. I was bored with my music taste and wanted to expand. I started with the most controversial list ever created Rolling Stone Magazine 500 greatest albums 2005 list. I purchased physical media or listened to the album through streaming or library. The goal is to collect all 500. I have 1 disc to listen to American folk by Harry Smith.The list made me aware of different groups of artists. I picked them up to sell on eBay or record shows. I am a completist. I have purged my records that I don't listen to, sell, or donate to thrift shops. I usually buy 💿 because usually the used vinyl is overpriced and in bad shape. I do buy albums as placeholders if below $4 to 5. I am more concerned about the record condition. Covers can be swapped out. Have a good one
I have a mom cat and her boi and they’ve never scratched them. I keep card board record shipping boxes around and they love those. Check out the first 3 Journey albums before Steve P. Hard psych prog rock.
Man, I love it when you tell the truth about pet sounds and aja! And I also appreciate your advice, buy deep, not wide. I came to that realization some time ago. I used to think I had to have everything buy a certain band, or I needed to be into a band because everyone, whoever "everyone" is said they were cool. Your advice is gold, my friend, buy what you like, what you will listen to. Oh yeah, one more thing, what you said about "essentials list, or must have lists". I've watched those videos, and sometimes I cannot believe what I'm seeing, I mean on what planet is this a "must have"? So anyway, great video.
You hit the nail on the head with everything you said here. One difference is I genuinely like to listen to pop, dance, electronic, rock, rnb, funk, jazz, experimental, classical, and a bit of country, so what reflects my taste is wide, but I do have a fair share of favorite artist where I go deep as well.
Great idea for the cat protection 😁. The only cats I like are someone else's. I've made all the mistakes you've quoted but following your advice is like walking in your favorite bar and thinking only 2 beers 🍺. Reality bites 😂. Great video Mr Fithen. Greg
Every once in a while (a few years or so) I purge my "meh" albums to make room. I also sold most of my "audiophile" records and replaced the ones I really like with regular pressings, not necessarily original though .
I've worked in used record stores for decades 'n one o' the tricks o' the trade, because we would often buy promotional albums with stickers, is cover the sticker with lighter fluid, then put a stack o' records on top for some weight, let it sit for 3 or so minutes 'n peel off the sticker. Then use more lighter fluid 'n a paper towel to clean off any remainin' glue. Works every time 'n when it dries it's like new!
Great advice! I have just started acquiring vinyl (don't want to say "collecting,...since that is kinda like you describe, "essentials" and even old albums I loved...if they are just gonna sit in my collection I don't want it) I have already made this mistake...Thought I NEEDED to have Back in Black but not going to actually spin it!
As usual, this is dead on. Great advice. This is how I do it, too. So my collection is the right size, and it has all the right stuff, and if you didn't know me at all, you could look through my collection, and probably learn far more about me than you ever could by talking to me.
Thanks again Robert. Great vid. I dont know if it's a bad habit or not, but when I get into an artist or band, I eventually buy the whole catalog. Works better in some scenarios than others.
That Journey album is great. Its an artifact from our past. The song "Edge of the Blade" needs a needle on it and crank it loud! If I saw that album in your collection I would have been excited.
Exactly. It's an artifact from the past, that's probably why I got it. But I have so many of those artifacts at this point, I'm only interested in the ones I'm actually going to play
Awesome advise! I learned this the hard way; collecting music that was on the "everyone must have" list only to get rid of it. Now I only collect the music that I love and will listen to.
Donald Fagen Nightfly is one of my top ten albums ever. I remember getting it on cassette when it came out in the 80’s. Fantastic record. I own the DVD-A, 3 CDs and the original lot. Ditched the cassette . Yep , it’s good.
Was enjoying the video then you HAD to mention them. Yes, the last record i bought the other day was Coming Out by Manhattan Transfer! Why? Because there's nothing but easy listening left in the Charity Stores here in the UK and it was a pound along with Superman by Barbra and Once Upon A Time by Donna Summer. However I was amazed to actually enjoy it. I thought I must be going mad but investigating the track its a Todd Rundgren tune! Then i discovered Ringo was on drums and another song was written by Holland Dozier Holland. I think I'm going mad. Mind you, there is an awful track on it called Popsicle Toes. Yes, Popsicle Toes...lol
Great video and topic. I once had marching band hits, violin jams, and play by play of a superbowl on record. Now I'm just trying to keep or buy stuff I really want to listen to. Oddly enough, I became a Journey completist along the way.
What makes a great album collection are the choices people that make no sense or totally out of character. Like someone who is a furrow-browed Kraut rock fan collecting obscure 1st issue Moebius, Neu or Conny Plank produced albums, and you see something like a Melissa Manchester, Weird Al Yankovic or Kiss "Unmasked" album in the same collection. I love seeing that.
Way important what you mention about going deep instead of wide and letting go. Just days ago I traded a couple of albums I did not care for for one I really liked that I was missing since my childhood. I'm not only happy, but I'm also relieved I've emptied some room.
I think with me at 49 I had drug issues from being a kid and gave up 10 years ago. I sold a lot of stuff. 2 pairs of Technics1210's, a Stratocaster, bunches of records and CDs. I'd have stuff and then sell it for drugs and alcohol. I'm kind of aware that my "gathering" of music and equipment is a big old effect of probably over-compensating for my past easy-come easy go attitude. So like everybody else with a huge collection it's probably down to brain/psychological damage on some level. But I'm ok with that it could have turned out worse. Cool video Robert cheers.
HI Robert. Really interesting subject to dicuss here and definately good tips for vinyl newcomers. The biggest mistake I used to make was getting into an artist and feeling the need to buy absolutely every record they released. What you end up with is dozens of records that all contain the same music, especially when it comes to collecting all the various pressings of one particular single. No matter how much I like an artist or band, do I really need the 7", the 10", the 12", the picture disc, the etched vinyl, the box set version etc etc... Its rather a waste of money in the long run and also a lot of shelf space needlessly taken up too. But I learned by my mistakes and these days I am far more streamlined and selective. Just to finish, you are quite right, have no fear getting rid of surplus unwanted stock. Make room for the records you actually really want. Cheers.
Thank you Robert, some great advice! I have around 550 albums now. I bought a Bill Evans Jazz record a year ago told myself I liked it to never play it again. I have a Neal Diamond album just in case when my mom visits and she wants to hear it. I do have more filler in my collection than I would like. The four 5 dollar records I kind of want were purchased over the 20 dollar record I really wanted multiple times. Thanks for steering me in the right direction.
Congrats on 15k subs🎉 My request for an album review is Big Theif- Dragon New Warm Mountain I Believe In You. Its one of my most favourite album in the last couple of years.
I hear you dude! I am guilty of most of these points. In the 90s when everybody and their brother was getting rid of vinyl, I was there to snatch them up. Now, I have over 4000 LPs some I like 1 song or I am sick to death of it and will never play them. I had the same excuses you mentioned; Somebody may want to hear it, Everybody else have it. I had a cat too, same issue. I replaced most of the damaged ones but still have several damaged covers. I definitely have hoarder issues. I am glad I am not the only one. Cool Video.
Absolutely fantastic have a wonderful day Robert also happy independence day to the channel United states also last night was Canada day is where I live in ❤😊
Living in Australia I got to see Rose Tattoo dozens of times . Loudest band I ever saw ! Still going strong after 45 years although with many different band members . Angry Anderson has been the one constant and he’s still beating out the songs. First three albums are classic
Back when i had way too many. It got out of hand on what i was buying. There was a store that sold them for $1 each. No matter who it was. Which was awesome at first. But as the collection grew. Then it slowly got out of hand. There was some great stuff. But for the 25 or so Zappa albums i scored that day. I also ended up with 75 albums I probably dont need, but want. Due to never hearing, said album. I love Don't Say No by Billy Squire. But why do I got all his albums? I would never play them after I listened to them. Same went with Boney M and Chinese Laundry Music. Yeah, that's what the album was called. I ended up moving all these albums to another place, and it sucked. A few years later, with more records in the pile. I ended up moving them again. Straight to a record store that would buy them all in 1 go. And was glad about it. Not only was i sick of moving them. But having so much filler was a waste. So when i started collecting again. I pretty much refused getting anything i know i would never want to have. And better be in damn good condition. So I still get to check out some new stuff that's old stuff. But if it's just too rough. To hell with it. I don't care if it is the first 5 Hawkwind albums all in poor condition. Kinda disappointing when that happens. But like ya said. Want 20 albums for a buck, or one good one for 20 bucks. So now the quality over quantity really matters. And anything i don't want. I usually give it to friends after i have checked it out and cleaned it for them. Its still a great way to check out old rocks albums i haven't heard in years, or never. Still never stops me from raiding a 50 cent bin for $10 worth of crap. But in decent condition crap. But doubt my friends want any Sheena Easton records.
Awesome. Keep on doing . Hopefully the tornado does not got you to soon. Buying records at the age of 3 or 4 must have been mindblowing. I just made it with 12 for the first time...
Great advice as always. I've definitely fallen into the placeholder and quantity over quality trap before myself. Now I try to stress the quality over quantity rule to new collectors...and live by it most of the time myself. Lol Also, my cats aren't allowed in the record room, but i do love your idea to protect them.
Good stuff! I'm a baby collector compared to you, I'm probably sitting somewhere around 800 LP's and 300 7", and I have many that will never get played again.. but I just can't let them go.. its so hard lol
Robert, I’m in total agreement with you. The only record in my entire collection that I recently bought for $1 just because I thought I should own it was Cyndi Lauper “she’s so unusual” In the 80s, I hated it but for a buck I thought what the hell.
"It's a record, not a penis" sounds like something I would say. Vulgar to drive a point home. Love it. And I agree. All my Dynaflex records sound great. "BUT THEY'LL WARP!" If it's hot enough, they'll all warp.
13:07 🤨 Also i just started my record collection so this is some good advice. I only have 3 records so my collection is small, but it will grow bigger overtime. Edit: Also I regret buying a shity crosley turntable that was in a suitcase and I'm planning on switching it out with a different one.
I would have visited more antique stores , thrift stores, yard sales, flea markets. Missed opportunities I didn’t Know was available to me for years. I love everything. My collection would have been better because my knowledge Would have been expanded because I wasn’t exposed to more records until the last few years
Crosley's are crap record grinders with a overly heavy tracking force, .. ..Cleaning an old record makes huge difference and clearing a brand new one is necessary because of the factory dust you cannot see that is in the grooves..Gruv Glide and LAST are two products I highly recommend for getting the best sound from the grooves and reducing the wear on it..
Pre internet I loved to bring home a stack of dollar records because they looked interesting, so I wouldn’t discredit that kind of buying altogether. Boring might be to buy only what you know and love. I’m unpredictable and my music collection reflects that.
Thank you, Robert! Finally somebody said it - "Buy what you listen to!"! I have bought my first LP probably 45 years ago (I didn't own a record player at that time, so I had this record on original cassette as well until five years later when I got my first record player which was not high-end but it wasn't garbage either.) and until today I own approx. 500 LPs - and a little more CDs. Why do I "only" own 500 LPs? Because I only buy the music that I really like. Some of my records are not my favorite anymore, but they were when I bought them and I can still listen to them without suffering from ear rot. For a while I thought that I was a completist, but that's not true anymore. When I really like the whole catalog of a band/an artist, I will probably buy every album by them, but it happens very seldom. Having said that, it is a recurring nightmare that something happens to my music, because I like them all - some more some less. By the way, I don't like the word "collection" for my records (everybody can call it just what he or she likes, of course), it is simply the soundtrack to my life. By the way No. 2: Great video again!
I was definitely a completist in the CD days and have so many CDs just to have an artist's full catalog instead of having other CDs that I would actually enjoy much more.
@@RobertFithen Isn't it strange how we function sometimes!? In a way it is nice to have the full catalog of an artist, but do I really need all of their albums, even if I don't like some of them? I don't think so - anymore. One of my newer favorite bands of "old" guys - The Dead Daisies - changed the singer from John Corabi to Glenn Hughes (both are fabulous singers in my book), which I didn't like. So I didn't buy the records with Mr. Hughes - sorry, Glenn. These days Glenn Hughes is out of the band and John Corabi is in again. I like JCs singing very much, but will I buy a new album by The Dead Daisies blind, if they release one in the future? No, I have to listen to it first. If I like it, I will buy it, but it won't be a blind purchase - they have to convince me with their music and not with their name or members. Sorry for my rambling!
I usually grade one step lower than it actually is. I don't ever use "mint" unless it's sealed and that's just because they don't have a "sealed" category. I always give a good description and have photos upon request.
I would add do your best to not get hooked by FOMO. 99.9% of everything will be available later and often for less $$$ and besides, when FOMO wears off I find you usually don’t want it.
Ok but in this video he says at 3:48 "Stay away from essential lists." Yet on my youtube sidepanel is literally a Fithen short titled "Vinyl records you MUST have in your collection." At least his recommendations in that short are some of my favorites.
Some reissues sound better than most of my originals. Pet Sounds again. Ha! Yep no thanks. Listen to Dennis Wilson's Ocean Blue Pacific instead. Real master piece.
I gotta say I have a few Waxtime records cause the alternate version is overpriced audiophile versions. I refuse to pay out the as% for a medium that can scratch easily. The sound is decent and the pressing is DMM.I get that it might be from a CD or MP3, unfortunately most represses are digital anyway. I do own a copy of Blue Train on Bkue Note and DOL, the sound seperation is slightly better on the Blue Note pressing but not by much.
I got a terrible Billie Holiday pressing on Waxtime where the songs were even in a different running order. I've heard a couple of others that didn't sound that great. I assume it depends on which release you get from them.
Great advice i never liked alot of prog im here and there the hits so i dont really have floyd yes gratful dead stuff like that some of my family think im nuts no floyd but most albums are a bore to me and early genisus im not gonna buy s album with only only the hits i like so good advice by not going by other's
lmao the Hoarders theme. Nice touch.
Quality over Quantity 👌
Good advice, Robert, and just common sense, really. I've fallen into that trap too many times, buying 'must have' albums. Especially box sets that include an 'outtakes' lp. I'll listen to outtakes once, and then never again. Big waste of money! Glad you mentioned the '180 gram' scam. I learned my lesson on that one years ago. All ground level collectors should check out this video!
I absolutely echo the comment about go deep not wide.
When you start out, it's REALLY easy to get pulled wide. Because you go to fairs and see everything and it's like being ain a candy shop, plus you tend to think of what you SHOULD have rather than what you want.
The trick is to be honest with yourself and there is one simple trick I've found that helps - write it down.
I've done this with my kids for birthday presents, other friends and so on. You simply make a list of what you want. Every time something new comes along, you add AND review the list entirely. If you see anything you don't now feel so enamoured about, scrub it off.
By the time you get to use your list, you have something which absolutely reflects what you want. It works really well. Every time someone said "you haven't got any jazz" to me, I'd remind them I'm making my collection to play for ME. I don't like jazz at all.
So focus on what you really like - you'll appreciate it more.
That's exactly what I do these days. With streaming, there's no reason not to.
@@RobertFithen A very valid point. Streaming is a FANTASTIC method to demo stuff before buying too.
That's exactly what I did. I got a decent AudioTechnica turntable as soon as I could and never looked back
Wow, Rose Tattoo . . I remember hearing "Rock-n-Roll Outlaw" on the radio back in the late 70's here in MA :)
Yes they were a great band.Rock and Roll outlaw is my favourite sing of theirs.Sadly the slide guitarist died of prostate cancer
@@therealbushboy6440 sorry to hear about that
Hi Robert, your video made me laugh & smile all the way through! Thank you! I‘ve started collecting records 52 years ago - and made some, not all of the mistakes you talked about. One of my problems were: I couldn’t let go („who knows“ 🥳). But during the decades I had to move several times - and each time I sorted the „cool to have“ records out because I had to. They were hundreds - but I rebought only 2 of them later. Missed the other ones not in one second. Now I have a decent collection of about 500 vinyls and 1000 CDs. That’s the eternal core of my music library. In most cases a huge collection is the result of decades of collecting - and look, here comes a new enemy: lifetime (meaning the rest of it). Now at the latest it‘s time to know who you are, and your music is one thing that defines you. Get rid of all the albums that have nothing to do with you - and enjoy your „friends“! - Thanks again for your wise AND funny video, Robert. Greetings from Berlin, Harry
Yes, lifetime. As I've gotten older I am realizing that I'm just not going to have time to listen to absolutely everything so prioritizing has become the, well, priority.
@@RobertFithen My problem is I actually genuinely like a lot of shit, so I go deep and wide. Something I do that I need to stop is multiple copies of the same record.
Thank you for validating me Robert. I’m exactly that person you described. I don’t care what anyone else thinks I have the music I wanna have. And that includes no Fleetwood Mac. I hate the band Angel… But I have an Angel album, why? I’ll never know why. I checked my Discogs just by coincidence when I watched this video. I have exactly 500 in my collection. And I am a completist I would say. The ones I do like I have as much as I can find, or afford. For someone who’s been rockin since the early 70s that’s not too bad. I’m glad I saved my albums during the years I was raising a family. They were in an old army trunk in the basement.
I 100% agree with building a collection tailored for yourself. Don't believe the hype, follow your heart. That's how I collect. Cheers!
Smart advice! Too many times I’ve bought something that someone told me I needed for my collection and I hated the record Also going to a used record store and buying dollar bin records for quantity rather then quality I’ve done that Your advice is good I’ve learned the hard way!!!
Robert, great video. Thought it would be another one of these basic tips/intro videos (how to clean, how to store, handling vinyl etc) that are all over the place here. But you hit the nail on the head re buying only records YOU want, not the click-baity list suggestionss etc. And be prepared to dispose of records if you don’t enjoy them anymore. Let someone else have them and use any money generated to buy records you want and will play.
Couldn’t agree more with everything on here, well said.
Away to go back through my collection once more and bin the placemarkers...!!
Great rant sir! I only have so much room for my collection, so it is highly currated, all killer, no filler.
Excellent!
Me too! I only have enough space for about 1500 cd's and have culled about the same amount over past 35 years or do. If you look at the cd and can't bare to put it on means it's got to go.
All killer, no filler... Amen to that! 👍😎👍
Thanks, Robert for making me feel better about rebuilding my collection. I lost most of them in 2019 when I moved which included the records I inherited from my parents (someone threw them out along with my laserdiscs). I only have 1/4 of what I had, and I am looking for records I love. 🙂
I made probably all of the mistakes you mention when I started collecting back in the 70s. Purged my collection for CDs later on, but recently have been buying a few quality LPs that I really love or loved. Excellent advice and thank you for another great video! And Thin Lizzy? Hell, yes!!
While I was in the Air Force 1970-74, I could invested in good quality component equipment, including a Dual 1219 turntable. I admit I've been spoiled, but what a way to go. And the vinyl records sound just as good today as they did when new fifty years ago. If you take care of your toys, they'll last a long time.
Good point about Dynaflex LPs. I have many from Dolly Parton and Charley Pride, they sound great.
So many points that hit home with me. Nothing worse than buying a record that everyone says is a must have and discovering that I don’t like it. Or buying a record that looks ok in the store and getting it home, cleaning it and discovering it’s terrible.
My thoughts exactly Robert!
The one that hit me the most was something I fell victim too. The “must have” records, I buy it, and hate it. Then try to convince myself that I like it because everyone else does. But still hate it. Now, thankfully, I just buy what I like.
I think alot of record collectors go through alot of these things you are saying. Im still learning. Been collecting since 2009. I'm trying to let go of a bunch of stuff.
"It's not a pen!s, thickness doesn't matter!" - Robert Fithen. This should be on a t-shirt.
BTW, I posted this comment before seeing the end of the video.
Great video. Frontiers by Journey is a classic though 😁👌
preach it brother!!!!! beautiful rant -
👏👏👏 Well put, Robert! Purge underway now.
--'Placeholders' were a fact of life for me, and this purge has filtered a lot out so far.
--Because I'll dig anywhere, I keep a box of "Rogues and Bastards"; LPs/covers missing, but they MUST be ones I want!
--If you want to geek out over 8-tracks, I haven't dug into mine to purge yet, but will need to very soon. There are so many, maybe it's stream worthy(?)
oh yes, let's not get started on 8-tracks... ;-)
though I did a good purge about 5 years back, I think I still have too many (about 60-70)
If you're going to do it, might as well make a video of it. lol
Great advice, I just sold 200 and I'm still purging. Feels pretty good to make some room and I'm listening to stuff I like a lot more!
I agree. This album collection I have IS a reflection of me. 1,500+ now. I have been digging deep now for the last 6 months. Getting obscured psych and odd early rock albums. In my collection I have no KISS albums. Just not into them. I would say my collection is one that many out there would want to have. I do need to purge some albums now. Thanks Robert for another great video. Peace and love man.....
I just picked up the first Kiss album in trade.
Love it when you endorse reissues, which can be just as enjoyable as originals if done right,. Deep respect, sur. Love it too when you endorse the Betty Davis reissue (and that's my favorite of hers -- my PR company was called Big Freak based on that campaign). If you ever see a reissue put out by the label I work for Org Music, I'd be happy to send you anything that strikes your fancy (right now I'm hyping Westbound Sound Vol. 1 and Bad Brains' I Against I reissue). Thank you for all your wisdom, humor, and experience in the music world shared with us!
Thanks!! I actually got that Westbound Sounds compilation on Record Store Day
Very informative for a beginner. Absolutely love the green Brain label t shirt. My favorite Kraut rock bands were on that label. Grobschnitt being number one on my list!
All good advice. Even before you started talking, looking over at a wall full of albums, I said to myself "I wish I didn't have so many records because they are somehow obligatory, famous, classics or generally what you are meant to have - a necessary part of any "worthwhile" collection". Here's looking at you Thriller, Dark Side, Rumours, Sgt. Pepper, Hell Bat, Bollocks and ZoSo. They are now on the way out but the problem is selling them at supposed Discog prices locally. In my experience Auction Houses return only about a third of a record's "value" and online sales are a lot of work. I can make double the money at my day job hour-for-hour. Keep up the excellent videos.
I've discovered that online, especially Discogs, are now charging more and keeping more of the profit so it's not even worth the hassle.
I bought a turntable to add to my system early on in the "lockdown"
I had saved maybe 20 LPs after switching to CDs in the 80s and regrettably got rid of all my other albums. My goal when I started collecting again was to replace all my favorites. I buy mainly from flea markets, my local record store, Discogs and the occasional Walmart/ Amazon purchase. When buying used I try to keep it at VG + and sometimes take a VG if it's a particularly good album (some original mono Blue Note's etc). I usually avoid beater covers unless the wax is outstanding. A bit of ring wear doesn't bother me. If I see a reasonable upgrade in the wild for a good price I'll pull the trigger and donate the old ones. I'm now up to 675 albums even after parsing my collection. I've now refrained from buying something just to have it but it took a while to learn it. I definitely still have records I'll likely never play again, like the Ian Hunter Short Back & Sides in NM I just had to buy from the $1 bin.
Robert, interesting topic for conversations which can go on forever. I was bored with my music taste and wanted to expand. I started with the most controversial list ever created Rolling Stone Magazine 500 greatest albums 2005 list. I purchased physical media or listened to the album through streaming or library. The goal is to collect all 500. I have 1 disc to listen to American folk by Harry Smith.The list made me aware of different groups of artists. I picked them up to sell on eBay or record shows. I am a completist. I have purged my records that I don't listen to, sell, or donate to thrift shops. I usually buy 💿 because usually the used vinyl is overpriced and in bad shape. I do buy albums as placeholders if below $4 to 5. I am more concerned about the record condition. Covers can be swapped out. Have a good one
Great video! Very helpful
Even worse than the cat scratching is going to an estate sale in the country and the records were kept in a barn where the mice got to them.
I have a mom cat and her boi and they’ve never scratched them. I keep card board record shipping boxes around and they love those.
Check out the first 3 Journey albums before Steve P. Hard psych prog rock.
Man, I love it when you tell the truth about pet sounds and aja! And I also appreciate your advice, buy deep, not wide. I came to that realization some time ago. I used to think I had to have everything buy a certain band, or I needed to be into a band because everyone, whoever "everyone" is said they were cool. Your advice is gold, my friend, buy what you like, what you will listen to.
Oh yeah, one more thing, what you said about "essentials list, or must have lists". I've watched those videos, and sometimes I cannot believe what I'm seeing, I mean on what planet is this a "must have"? So anyway, great video.
Thanks!! I used to be a completist with bands back in the CD era.
"fk that"...love it lol.
New sub!
You hit the nail on the head with everything you said here. One difference is I genuinely like to listen to pop, dance, electronic, rock, rnb, funk, jazz, experimental, classical, and a bit of country, so what reflects my taste is wide, but I do have a fair share of favorite artist where I go deep as well.
Great idea for the cat protection 😁. The only cats I like are someone else's.
I've made all the mistakes you've quoted but following your advice is like walking in your favorite bar and thinking only 2 beers 🍺. Reality bites 😂. Great video Mr Fithen. Greg
Every once in a while (a few years or so) I purge my "meh" albums to make room. I also sold most of my "audiophile" records and replaced the ones I really like with regular pressings, not necessarily original though .
I've worked in used record stores for decades 'n one o' the tricks o' the trade, because we would often buy promotional albums with stickers, is cover the sticker with lighter fluid, then put a stack o' records on top for some weight, let it sit for 3 or so minutes 'n peel off the sticker. Then use more lighter fluid 'n a paper towel to clean off any remainin' glue. Works every time 'n when it dries it's like new!
Ditching my collection and focusing on PetSounds and Aja variants. Gonna go deep. thks great advice.
Don't forget the Brother Records "Pet Sounds", that's the one I have.
I always make sure it's an appropriate swap.
Congrats on 15K!!!
Some really good advice there. Especially like your advice on thickness- oh absolutely! And sometimes 7” will do just fine ! Great video - cheers. 🙏
Great advice! I have just started acquiring vinyl (don't want to say "collecting,...since that is kinda like you describe, "essentials" and even old albums I loved...if they are just gonna sit in my collection I don't want it) I have already made this mistake...Thought I NEEDED to have Back in Black but not going to actually spin it!
As usual, this is dead on. Great advice. This is how I do it, too. So my collection is the right size, and it has all the right stuff, and if you didn't know me at all, you could look through my collection, and probably learn far more about me than you ever could by talking to me.
Thanks again Robert. Great vid.
I dont know if it's a bad habit or not, but when I get into an artist or band, I eventually buy the whole catalog.
Works better in some scenarios than others.
I did that with CDs.
That Journey album is great. Its an artifact from our past. The song "Edge of the Blade" needs a needle on it and crank it loud! If I saw that album in your collection I would have been excited.
Exactly. It's an artifact from the past, that's probably why I got it. But I have so many of those artifacts at this point, I'm only interested in the ones I'm actually going to play
Awesome advise! I learned this the hard way; collecting music that was on the "everyone must have" list only to get rid of it. Now I only collect the music that I love and will listen to.
Donald Fagen Nightfly is one of my top ten albums ever. I remember getting it on cassette when it came out in the 80’s. Fantastic record. I own the DVD-A, 3 CDs and the original lot. Ditched the cassette . Yep , it’s good.
Was enjoying the video then you HAD to mention them. Yes, the last record i bought the other day was Coming Out by Manhattan Transfer! Why? Because there's nothing but easy listening left in the Charity Stores here in the UK and it was a pound along with Superman by Barbra and Once Upon A Time by Donna Summer.
However I was amazed to actually enjoy it. I thought I must be going mad but investigating the track its a Todd Rundgren tune! Then i discovered Ringo was on drums and another song was written by Holland Dozier Holland.
I think I'm going mad.
Mind you, there is an awful track on it called Popsicle Toes. Yes, Popsicle Toes...lol
I had no idea Ringo played on a Manhattan Transfer album
Great video and topic. I once had marching band hits, violin jams, and play by play of a superbowl on record. Now I'm just trying to keep or buy stuff I really want to listen to. Oddly enough, I became a Journey completist along the way.
Love the Brain T-shirt.
Great video. Excellent advice. I’ve been buying vinyl a little longer than you have and agree with everything you said.
Great Advice
Hey Robert very good point , i have been looking at WEA Now Playing it like greatest hits ,
What makes a great album collection are the choices people that make no sense or totally out of character. Like someone who is a furrow-browed Kraut rock fan collecting obscure 1st issue Moebius, Neu or Conny Plank produced albums, and you see something like a Melissa Manchester, Weird Al Yankovic or Kiss "Unmasked" album in the same collection. I love seeing that.
As long as they actually want them. I like many types of music, too
Way important what you mention about going deep instead of wide and letting go. Just days ago I traded a couple of albums I did not care for for one I really liked that I was missing since my childhood. I'm not only happy, but I'm also relieved I've emptied some room.
I think with me at 49 I had drug issues from being a kid and gave up 10 years ago. I sold a lot of stuff. 2 pairs of Technics1210's, a Stratocaster, bunches of records and CDs. I'd have stuff and then sell it for drugs and alcohol. I'm kind of aware that my "gathering" of music and equipment is a big old effect of probably over-compensating for my past easy-come easy go attitude. So like everybody else with a huge collection it's probably down to brain/psychological damage on some level. But I'm ok with that it could have turned out worse. Cool video Robert cheers.
I think a lot of mine was regret over getting rid of so many stellar records in the 90's to trade them for the CD versions.
HI Robert. Really interesting subject to dicuss here and definately good tips for vinyl newcomers. The biggest mistake I used to make was getting into an artist and feeling the need to buy absolutely every record they released. What you end up with is dozens of records that all contain the same music, especially when it comes to collecting all the various pressings of one particular single. No matter how much I like an artist or band, do I really need the 7", the 10", the 12", the picture disc, the etched vinyl, the box set version etc etc... Its rather a waste of money in the long run and also a lot of shelf space needlessly taken up too. But I learned by my mistakes and these days I am far more streamlined and selective. Just to finish, you are quite right, have no fear getting rid of surplus unwanted stock. Make room for the records you actually really want. Cheers.
I did the artist completist thing in the CD era. I have so many that I'll never listen to just to have everything for thr artist.
Thank you Robert, some great advice! I have around 550 albums now. I bought a Bill Evans Jazz record a year ago told myself I liked it to never play it again. I have a Neal Diamond album just in case when my mom visits and she wants to hear it. I do have more filler in my collection than I would like. The four 5 dollar records I kind of want were purchased over the 20 dollar record I really wanted multiple times. Thanks for steering me in the right direction.
You are the DUDE.
Congrats on 15k subs🎉 My request for an album review is Big Theif- Dragon New Warm Mountain I Believe In You. Its one of my most favourite album in the last couple of years.
I hear you dude! I am guilty of most of these points. In the 90s when everybody and their brother was getting rid of vinyl, I was there to snatch them up. Now, I have over 4000 LPs some I like 1 song or I am sick to death of it and will never play them. I had the same excuses you mentioned; Somebody may want to hear it, Everybody else have it. I had a cat too, same issue. I replaced most of the damaged ones but still have several damaged covers. I definitely have hoarder issues. I am glad I am not the only one. Cool Video.
Congratulations on your 15K, Robert! No-one does it better! 🙏
Thanks!!
Absolutely fantastic have a wonderful day Robert also happy independence day to the channel United states also last night was Canada day is where I live in ❤😊
Living in Australia I got to see Rose Tattoo dozens of times . Loudest band I ever saw ! Still going strong after 45 years although with many different band members . Angry Anderson has been the one constant and he’s still beating out the songs. First three albums are classic
I still need to get the other two. I have the second one on CD.
I remember they supported ZZ Top on the Afterburner tour and they were louder than ZZ!! Dare I say they rocked harder too!
Back when i had way too many. It got out of hand on what i was buying. There was a store that sold them for $1 each. No matter who it was. Which was awesome at first. But as the collection grew. Then it slowly got out of hand. There was some great stuff. But for the 25 or so Zappa albums i scored that day. I also ended up with 75 albums I probably dont need, but want. Due to never hearing, said album. I love Don't Say No by Billy Squire. But why do I got all his albums? I would never play them after I listened to them. Same went with Boney M and Chinese Laundry Music. Yeah, that's what the album was called.
I ended up moving all these albums to another place, and it sucked. A few years later, with more records in the pile. I ended up moving them again. Straight to a record store that would buy them all in 1 go. And was glad about it. Not only was i sick of moving them. But having so much filler was a waste. So when i started collecting again. I pretty much refused getting anything i know i would never want to have. And better be in damn good condition. So I still get to check out some new stuff that's old stuff. But if it's just too rough. To hell with it. I don't care if it is the first 5 Hawkwind albums all in poor condition. Kinda disappointing when that happens. But like ya said. Want 20 albums for a buck, or one good one for 20 bucks. So now the quality over quantity really matters. And anything i don't want. I usually give it to friends after i have checked it out and cleaned it for them. Its still a great way to check out old rocks albums i haven't heard in years, or never.
Still never stops me from raiding a 50 cent bin for $10 worth of crap. But in decent condition crap. But doubt my friends want any Sheena Easton records.
I've come to a point where there's also just too much to look through to find a real gem that I want to hear.
Which reminds me... time to prune my vinyl collection.
I would also recommend a dust cover for your turntable if you have a cat. Long story short, I had to buy a new stylus😆
LMAO, Genesis "Duke"... that came in a job lot! It always does!
Awesome. Keep on doing . Hopefully the tornado does not got you to soon. Buying records at the age of 3 or 4 must have been mindblowing. I just made it with 12 for the first time...
I don’t have any Genesis or Journey. I have never done place holder records.
Great advice as always. I've definitely fallen into the placeholder and quantity over quality trap before myself. Now I try to stress the quality over quantity rule to new collectors...and live by it most of the time myself. Lol
Also, my cats aren't allowed in the record room, but i do love your idea to protect them.
smart and funny as usual
Great cat scratch prevention! I had plastic sleeved my albums so it was minimal damage to the records.
Good stuff! I'm a baby collector compared to you, I'm probably sitting somewhere around 800 LP's and 300 7", and I have many that will never get played again.. but I just can't let them go.. its so hard lol
I can totally understand that.
Cool Brain tee!!
13:06 LOL
Robert, I’m in total agreement with you. The only record in my entire collection that I recently bought for $1 just because I thought I should own it was Cyndi Lauper “she’s so unusual” In the 80s, I hated it but for a buck I thought what the hell.
"It's a record, not a penis" sounds like something I would say. Vulgar to drive a point home. Love it. And I agree. All my Dynaflex records sound great. "BUT THEY'LL WARP!" If it's hot enough, they'll all warp.
If I could figure out how to post pictures of my collection, the hoarding song would start playing in your head
13:07 🤨
Also i just started my record collection so this is some good advice. I only have 3 records so my collection is small, but it will grow bigger overtime.
Edit: Also I regret buying a shity crosley turntable that was in a suitcase and I'm planning on switching it out with a different one.
I would have visited more antique stores , thrift stores, yard sales, flea markets. Missed opportunities I didn’t
Know was available to me for years. I love everything. My collection would have been better because my knowledge
Would have been expanded because I wasn’t exposed to more records until the last few years
Crosley's are crap record grinders with a overly heavy tracking force, .. ..Cleaning an old record makes huge difference and clearing a brand new one is necessary because of the factory dust you cannot see that is in the grooves..Gruv Glide and LAST are two products I highly recommend for getting the best sound from the grooves and reducing the wear on it..
That zBetty Davis reish is one of the best records in my collection.
Pre internet I loved to bring home a stack of dollar records because they looked interesting, so I wouldn’t discredit that kind of buying altogether. Boring might be to buy only what you know and love. I’m unpredictable and my music collection reflects that.
I think "pre-internet" is the key. The music streaming capabilities changed my policy on that.
Thank you, Robert! Finally somebody said it - "Buy what you listen to!"! I have bought my first LP probably 45 years ago (I didn't own a record player at that time, so I had this record on original cassette as well until five years later when I got my first record player which was not high-end but it wasn't garbage either.) and until today I own approx. 500 LPs - and a little more CDs. Why do I "only" own 500 LPs? Because I only buy the music that I really like. Some of my records are not my favorite anymore, but they were when I bought them and I can still listen to them without suffering from ear rot. For a while I thought that I was a completist, but that's not true anymore. When I really like the whole catalog of a band/an artist, I will probably buy every album by them, but it happens very seldom. Having said that, it is a recurring nightmare that something happens to my music, because I like them all - some more some less. By the way, I don't like the word "collection" for my records (everybody can call it just what he or she likes, of course), it is simply the soundtrack to my life.
By the way No. 2: Great video again!
I was definitely a completist in the CD days and have so many CDs just to have an artist's full catalog instead of having other CDs that I would actually enjoy much more.
@@RobertFithen Isn't it strange how we function sometimes!? In a way it is nice to have the full catalog of an artist, but do I really need all of their albums, even if I don't like some of them? I don't think so - anymore. One of my newer favorite bands of "old" guys - The Dead Daisies - changed the singer from John Corabi to Glenn Hughes (both are fabulous singers in my book), which I didn't like. So I didn't buy the records with Mr. Hughes - sorry, Glenn. These days Glenn Hughes is out of the band and John Corabi is in again. I like JCs singing very much, but will I buy a new album by The Dead Daisies blind, if they release one in the future? No, I have to listen to it first. If I like it, I will buy it, but it won't be a blind purchase - they have to convince me with their music and not with their name or members. Sorry for my rambling!
This man speaks STRATEGY, and he is 100% correct thinking that way.
Everyone must have Pet Sounds and Aja. I would like to have Genesis - Duke.
I know you had said something about selling on Discogs. I would like to know your criteria for grading your records for sale.
I usually grade one step lower than it actually is. I don't ever use "mint" unless it's sealed and that's just because they don't have a "sealed" category. I always give a good description and have photos upon request.
I would add do your best to not get hooked by FOMO.
99.9% of everything will be available later and often for less $$$ and besides, when FOMO wears off I find you usually don’t want it.
Ok but in this video he says at 3:48 "Stay away from essential lists." Yet on my youtube sidepanel is literally a Fithen short titled "Vinyl records you MUST have in your collection." At least his recommendations in that short are some of my favorites.
Sometimes I repeat myself.
Hey, don't talk shit about my Tay Tay.................. lol j/k 😂. Great video🎉🎉🎉
Must have records are always called the essential collection i saw a record called the essential covers album😅
Some reissues sound better than most of my originals. Pet Sounds again. Ha! Yep no thanks. Listen to Dennis Wilson's Ocean Blue Pacific instead. Real master piece.
i bought alot of water damaged covers lps for cheap.Now im stuck with them.Got all 3 gen x lps guess is good
I gotta say I have a few Waxtime records cause the alternate version is overpriced audiophile versions. I refuse to pay out the as% for a medium that can scratch easily. The sound is decent and the pressing is DMM.I get that it might be from a CD or MP3, unfortunately most represses are digital anyway. I do own a copy of Blue Train on Bkue Note and DOL, the sound seperation is slightly better on the Blue Note pressing but not by much.
I got a terrible Billie Holiday pressing on Waxtime where the songs were even in a different running order. I've heard a couple of others that didn't sound that great. I assume it depends on which release you get from them.
Great advice i never liked alot of prog im here and there the hits so i dont really have floyd yes gratful dead stuff like that some of my family think im nuts no floyd but most albums are a bore to me and early genisus im not gonna buy s album with only only the hits i like so good advice by not going by other's
Dynaflex! yes, outstanding sound. What happened to that tech to save petroleum?
9:20 Stone in Love and Just the Same way are on their Greatest Hits volume 2
Robert, my cat destroyed my Cat Scratch Fever album, and was wondering should I consider this an improvement?
Sounds like your cat has a great sense of humor.