I think they could still touch on this in Boruto. Yamato reports Orochimaru blatantly leaves his home arrest. Naruto tells him not to pursue he knows where he is. He finds orochimaru paying his respects at the grave of his greatest rival.
@@sonnywilson748 he was saying that their powers are opposite of the person they are copied from As in mitsuki was weaker than orochimaru and kashin kogi is stronger than jiraya
@@fr0stdr4ke95agreed not a good guy but not necessarily evil anymore. Like he is technically under house arrest in Boruto because Naruto doesn’t really trust him to not do evil stuff lol
Gotta take into consideration that jaraiya was not trying to hurt naruto in 4tails Cloak Oorochimaru was not trying to kill Itachi, he wanted to take over his body
Well, we actually saw both of the fights and they were pretty instantaneous stomps. In the first Itachi pinned him in a Sharingan genjutsu before he could even get off his first attack and then cut off his arm. The second, he decapitated seven of the eight heads of the Eight Branches technique and then absorbed and sealed him with Totsuka no Tsurugi, Itachi did not waste time. Orochimaru not wanting to kill Itachi made zero difference in the outcome.
@@3Rayfire It was bad writing. Realistically, there's no reason Orochimaru wouldn't put up a better fight against Itachi. Itachi feared Jiraiya, and Oro was much, much more powerful than Jiraiya. The "stomps" were just bad writing.
0:33 Griffith and Berserk. Ah yes, Berserk. The protagonist of the manga Berserk. My favourite part is when he says I’M GOING BERSERK and berserks all over the place
I always have to question when he does something like that if it’s an actual blind spot or an engagement driver. He’s admitted to it a couple times in either shorts or the podcast, but never the exact thing.
@@nickboaz9629 ehh, Orochimaru was definitely male at some point, but is using a female body at the moment, and does not seem to have a strong connection to either gender, so they works fairly well for them.
koji kashin in boruto is really cool to watch, and he’ll definitely get his jiraya memories back since it was teased a while ago. I just can’t wait for the naruto reunion
@@kjthagawd5619 I really hope so. I got real empathy for these characters. They’ve been through so much trauma and they deserve to come back to life and see the peace that’s been created. I know the plot might be a little tarnished by characters coming back but I don’t care.😢😢😢 I really hope Sasuke brother is still alive. Somehow I know it’s ridiculous but that poor boy he was just a kid when he died.
Is orichimaru ever once called they/them in manga? Because I know he is for sure referred to as he multiple times so I’m confused where you get the whole calling him “they” thing? Him stealing a girls body doesn’t make him no longer himself lol.
I think the joke was that he meant it literally, as in more than one person (constantly taking over other people's bodies), not a joke about his androgenous look.
Jiraiya being almost beaten to death by Tsunade is a common trope in shounen anime. The male allowing himself to be beaten by the female. He didn't try to fight back or defend himself against her, so it doesn't really count.
Nah stop downplaying Tsunade mate. She’s super OP. Super strength and pretty much immortal with seal. Jiraiya = lost to Pain. Tsunade = caught 5 Susano’o Madara clones and LIVED.
Orochimaru can't enter sage mode it's stated he couldn't when he was bit by the great snake sage he was lucky to even escape, that's why he made mitsuki
Reminder that Jiraiya doesn’t have regeneration when fighting Naruto. So he beat 4 Tails Naruto and used a sealing jutsu to beat 4 Tails Naruto while Orochimaru just sent him away and ran away-Yamato was the one who had to calm him down.
You also have to remember jiriya wasn't hindered when he fought 4 tails naruto and almost died.... where Orochimaru was able to keep 4 tails naruto a bay, without his hands, because of Hiruzen so he couldn't use any of strong jutsu
@@Camera728 orochimaru also wasn't trying to kill naruto, killing him would be useless for body snatching or experimentation , because kurama would be released on death. That's another reason not to kill him as well.
@@joshuachudley1270What? Orochi clearly can use his hands again when he fought 4 Tails Naruto. He literally punched 4 Tails and used Jutsu to block the tailed beast bomb. Orochimaru did worse than Jiraiya because Jiraiya actually managed to supress the 4 Tails and Orochimaru only pushed it back
I love seeing Orochimaru get some recognition and respect kuz holy shit is that man/woman/whatever tf slept on like the whole fan base just overlooks him or forget about him and it’s like bro is cracked and operates on higher iq than more than 95% of the verse and he’s the all knowing everything while being immortal 🗿also I’d assume he’s great at kenjutsu because sasuke had to learn how to use a sword frm someone👀
Yeah same here man I hate seeing him be underrated. He taught sasuke everything that sasuke knows in Shippuden plus the longer he lives the more op he gets.
I've been waiting for this video for so long. You even exolained why certain people didn't worry about genjutsu. Like...why madara never tried it on hashirama. He knew it wouldn't work
It's not just about the body. UA-camr is just want. Orochimaru is basically not worthy. And can't get into that calm and clarity that sage mode requires. Cause he's out of his mind.
These 2 characters are the definition of power crept. Jaraiya went from being a man that could go toe to toe with Kisame and Itachi, to someone who would lose to Kisame quite badly. Orchimaru went from being this huge master of countless ninjutsu to just this creepy dude that just won’t die.
???? I mean like yes there is power creep in the story but nothing Kisame has in terms of feats in the story prove he'd be able to win against Jiriya making his initial statement correct that he'd loose. The best case scenario for Kisame by the end of Shippuden has him just below Orochimaru and Jiriya. As for an Itachi & kisame vs Jiriya matchup, Jiriya has specific abilities that let him take on almost any number of opponent thanks to his various Barriers, Toad summoning's and Frog song if he is in sage mode. Not only that even when on deaths doors in his fight with Pain Fugaku confirmed Jiriya could have escaped despite being in the middle of enemy territory and against Pain himself. So the statement "it wouldn't matter if we call in reinforcements" is proven out on both accounts, he either could have fled with Naruto no matter what the Akatuski did or potentially wiped them all out if he managed to land a Frog Song in sage mode. Jiriya has a lot of hacks abilities especially ones that let him fight multiple opponents at the same time.
They/them works pretty well for Orochimaru if you consider that they don't care about gender presentation and will gladly operate within a physically 'male or female' body without issue either way. It's a valid headcanon all things considered
@@NekoChanRules Not really. I don’t think Orochimaru cares which gender you see him as. By referring to him in that way, you’re just doing it to fulfill your own desires, not his. He simply wouldn’t care about it like that.
A somewhat minor feat for Orochimaru that'd I'd like to add is after the Sannin fight Hanzo, whilst all three of them are "still standing", Orochimaru is the only one who's standing without support as Tsunade and Jiraiya are leaning on each other
Orchimaru stomped Tsunade and Jiraiya simultaneously without any jutsu or arms in OG Naruto. It wasn't even close. The only reason why Orchimaru lost, is because Naruto is OP.
Ever consider doing stat cards for each character when you're facing them off so we can get a overall viewSo we can see how you feel about all characters also compare to other characrers.
This just reminds me how crazy it is that orochimaru still can summon, use his snake and body swapping jutsus even after the hokage used the reaper death seal 😅
To be honest at this Point Orochimaru propably went through so many bodies that 'they' is the most fitting word. The Spirit is Male, the Body is whatever. Also Clones. Also snakes. Like Look at that eightheaded snake Hydra and Tell me the gender Has any relevancy there.
I'm amazed by all the people in the comments misgendering Orochimaru. Nick says they/them is a they/them its true. Much like how he says Jiraya would win. (No, but seriously he's a he. Don't at me)
1) Manda had the upper hand on bunta and it was tsunade who stabbed manda. 2) U didn't considered reanimation in their fight 3) When oro left leaf jiraya confronted him but wasn't able to stop him. Also during the sanin deadlock it was 2v1 against oro with each sanin being nerfed, then too he gave them a tough fight. 4) Why refering orochimaru as they😅.
Because there was a gag in boruto where Mitsuki asked Orochimaru if he was his mom or dad. From what I have found it was intended to be a joke as he is neither because mitsuki is a clone. Also Orochimaru swaps bodies and he has done it with men and women. So certain people in the fan base consider him nonbinary, I can't find official proof of this since in Japanese he usually get male honorifics , and it doesn't seem to be confirmed. He also appears androgynous. I'm usually annoyed by the pronoun game but in this case I can see it. Because you can say they and he and both work
1) Manda while aggressive wasn't able to do any harm to either of their summons, but yes it was Tsunade who stabbed him, the casual collab fireball jutsu from Jiriya and Bunta outclasses anything he can do though. 2) Orochimaru probably wouldn't have time to get it off since Jiriya is a more physical fighter and his insanely fast aoe moves like Lions Mane that could help prevent him from preforming the technique. Even then his barrier Jutsu and better sealing jutsu gives him more options to deal with Edo Tensai than Hiruzen had. 3) We never get to see the fight in full but Jiriya was trying to stop Orochimaru from leaving not kill him, he was nerfed in a similar manner to Naruto vs Sasuke fight. But either way it was many years before even the Chunin exams so it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.
@@BigHeadClan manda easily escaped through the Collab fireball so I don't think it outclasses him. Even the lion Mane didn't helped jiraya as oro was able to extend his neck to attack. So whatever attacks u gave to jiraya was already shown being countered by oro.
Also jiraiya was nerfed because he literally got drugged by tsunade but yea go off. Jiraiya legit prolly had sage mode by the time of this fight. He's like Naruto and never wanted orochimaru dead young.
@@Darkmagecurt talking about nerfs, orochimaru didn't had his hands. Even he had his hydra form and reanimation. Tho jiraya or Naruto didn't wanted to kill but they weren't even able to captured them. Even in part 1 tsunade with an intent to kill wasn't able to do it.
Orochimaru is referred to as him by his peers though. It's Naruto fans that push the trans agenda that made him nonbinary. Not saying it's a big deal or anything, just giving clarity
By the time Boruto came around Orochimaru does not refer to themselves as any gender nor do the people around them. They also call themselves mitsuki's parent, not father. I beleive orochimaru is non-binary now.@@BusterOlsen
you forgot to add hashirama and tobirama as orochimarus summonings, since hiruzen had to use reaper death seal to take them out while he was fighting a weaker orochimaru, i would argue that orochimaru would probably end up winning because of that added on to everything else you've mentioned
That would be true if we took the Hiruzen fight Orochimaru. Timeline wise Nick used the Orochimaru from the time of when they tried taking over Sasuke to when Itachi sealed them. Gave them a healthy body. Nick mentions Manda 2 over and over cus Manda died from the injuries of Deidara's C0. That means the Hokage aren't available either. Fun fact: Orochimaru & Jiraya died/got sealed the same day. Sasuke vs Itachi and Jiraya vs Pain took place simultaneously.
I agree, it’s wild to see him not mention Edo Tensei, one of Orochimaru jutsus that I believe no other person can use besides Tobirama. Not sure if Jiriyah has a counter against the 1st,2nd,3d,4th hokage. Nick mentions Jiriyah using sage mode with Ma and Pa, you might as well mention Orochimaru Edo Tensei that can “revive” the past hokages or any other person to counter him. I believe that feat is crazy op and unique
The funny thing is that you think that Jiraiya doesn't know the snake of the hidden leaf has the edo and don't know how to stop it which he can. put him under genjutsu he's done or put him in a frog's belly and reverse summon it and burn the contract done and done.
I'm pretty sure Jiriaya would fall to the same problem as Naruto in most of his fights against Sasuke, that he'd hold back from killing him, because of their shared past, only for Orochimaru to have no qualms against that. Also you didn't mention the Edo Tensei against Jiriaya.
This gotta be the most cornball response I've ever seen, have you even seen Orochimaru? Lost brain cells trying to understand how you're so easily triggered 🤡
There is a single line, in Boruto, when he says he is both mother and father to mitski (however you spell it). But he's always referred to as "he" in the manga and anime.
He is literally a GENDER less snake you can say HE SHE THEY IT or WHATEVER it’s a fictional ANIME they aren’t bound to human English grammar practices or gender norms for fuck sakes
The way I see it, people who DO refer to orochimaru as “they” is because he uses another persons body to take over as his own? Or atleast used to before getting the white zetzu body. I haven’t watched much of boruto yet so idk if they came out with some other reason I am yet to hear of
This guy is just woke bro, half way through the video I got tired of hearing this confusing speech and clicked on the Seth the programmer video instead
@AlvaroArturoNunez You do realize that it isn’t even about gender identity with Orochimaru? Orochimaru has literally biologically been both male and female multiple times. That’s why Orochimaru’s own “child” doesn’t know whether to put Orochimaru down as mother or father. Even Orochimaru doesn’t know how to define it.
They literally fought in the anime and jiraiya lost trying to bring Orichimaru back to the village. This guy just loves Jiraiya at this point. Should’ve expected this since he said itachi would lose to him
@@MrGordo730 we don't know that lmfao. He didn't even have Perfect Sage mode yet when he died and hadn't put chakra releases into rasengan yet. He wasn't done he just spent his time on his... passions in life lop.
Nick, Manda actually was about to eat Gamabunta and Tsunade saved him impaling Manda through the top of his mouth. Also, didn't finished the video yet but I suspect a little Jiraya bias 😂😂. Also, in 4 tails fight Oro rebirth was used 2 or 3 times
Orochimaru beats Jiraiya handily. He didn't even talk about Edo Tensei. Sage Mode needs preparation time he won't have in battle of normal environment. Jiraiya's strongest jutsu is literally tanked by Orochimaru (assuming he'll have the mobility and chance to hit him with it). He can't be killed.
Jiraiya doesn't need prep time he has mom and pops and Jiraiya didn't use his strongest attack against that slippery snake because one of he's strongest attack is with mom and pops or and he's summoning abilities.
Itschi is stronger than obito and nagsto stated multiple times even by kishimoto himself in the authors note. So many errors in this videos who is this clown lmao
Your research into the series is unrivaled. Really props to you. The only criticism I have is that you call orochimaru a they or them when it’s clearly stated throughout the entire series that he is a he. Even though he did take over the body of women here and there. He always remained a he and was referred to as he. Often it was stated “his next vessel”.
Hey idk if you knew that jiraya and orochimaru actually fought when orochimaru leave the village,it was offscreen but the outcome of that fight was that jiraya couldn’t bring him back,just like the 1st naruto vs sasuke fight it ended probably the same way,either jiraya won and orochimaru escaped or orochimaru won and had mercy on his former comrade like sasuke did with Naruto on their 1st encounter,this happens on jiraya’s tales on his fight against pain on his regrets in his life….
@jades5772 so at 1 point he was a she, and went back to he and stayed he but because years ago he was she now he's they? Ur making a political statement
Love your videos, you really understand Kishimoto and the story line. I love all your content, your brilliant. I have an idea I thought about for your next video. Ranking dads in the Naruto verse. I'd like to start the ranking off with #1 MVD (most valuable dad) Shukaku and in 2nd probably Minato.
24:56 Orochimaru only lost to Itachi, once because of Tsukiyomj, and second because of the Totsuka blade. Jiraiya doesn't have any in his arsenal clmparable to that.
Your videos are always so interesting and entertaining, but if you could talk a tiny bit slower I would be able to follow what you're saying easier. You talk so fast that my brain struggles to keep up 😅
I think they could still touch on this in Boruto.
Yamato reports Orochimaru blatantly leaves his home arrest.
Naruto tells him not to pursue he knows where he is.
He finds orochimaru paying his respects at the grave of his greatest rival.
that would be pretty cool bro to see him at jiraiyas grave sight
That hit me in the feels a lot more than I thought it would. I like it. Headcanon for now.
Didn’t they take Jiraiya’s body for Kashin Koji though? I could be wrong so don’t lash out pls. 😢😢
Orochimaru has never done anything sentimental like that lol
@@HeroSword_P that's why this would be touching to see
What I have realized is that both Jiraiya and Orochimaru have clones.
Mitsuki and Kashin Koji.
….
And the power difference is roughly the opposite of their original templates (Kashin being the stronger one in this case)
@@LokiTheCleverno. Current mitsuki spanks kashin
Let's be real, all the main OG Naruto characters have clones in Boruto...
@@sonnywilson748 he was saying that their powers are opposite of the person they are copied from
As in mitsuki was weaker than orochimaru and kashin kogi is stronger than jiraya
It's sad that Jiraya didnt live long enought to see Orochimaru comeing back to good side. Imagine him meeting Log and Mitsuki. 😭😭😭
I wouldn’t say Orochimaru is on the good side.
@@sephirian688 At best he just isn't entirely evil anymore. He doesn't do anything illegal. As long as no one thinks about it too hard.
He is more like a chaotic neutral character.
@@fr0stdr4ke95agreed not a good guy but not necessarily evil anymore.
Like he is technically under house arrest in Boruto because Naruto doesn’t really trust him to not do evil stuff lol
Current Orochimaru is....neutral
It was actually Tsunade who pinned Manda to the ground with the sword in the 3way deadlock
I realized that Tsunade is the only Sannin that doesn't have a clone.
Sakura be like 😮…. Jk jk I’m a sakura Stan don’t attack me
Sakura trainer enough under Tsunade to basically be here clone just different DNA 🤣
@@JoeyGiles-g4g 😂🤣😂🤣😭😭😭
And Jiraya the only one not trying to hide his age 🤔
Sakura is pretty much Tsunade but better
Ah yes Griffith and berserk the most iconic of age old rivalries
Exactly lmaoo
came here to the comments just for that lol
Gotta take into consideration that jaraiya was not trying to hurt naruto in 4tails Cloak
Oorochimaru was not trying to kill Itachi, he wanted to take over his body
Well, we actually saw both of the fights and they were pretty instantaneous stomps. In the first Itachi pinned him in a Sharingan genjutsu before he could even get off his first attack and then cut off his arm. The second, he decapitated seven of the eight heads of the Eight Branches technique and then absorbed and sealed him with Totsuka no Tsurugi, Itachi did not waste time. Orochimaru not wanting to kill Itachi made zero difference in the outcome.
@@3Rayfire It was bad writing. Realistically, there's no reason Orochimaru wouldn't put up a better fight against Itachi. Itachi feared Jiraiya, and Oro was much, much more powerful than Jiraiya. The "stomps" were just bad writing.
0:33 Griffith and Berserk.
Ah yes, Berserk. The protagonist of the manga Berserk. My favourite part is when he says I’M GOING BERSERK and berserks all over the place
They’re Griffith & Guts, Nick…With love.
I laughed a bit more than I probably should 😂
I always have to question when he does something like that if it’s an actual blind spot or an engagement driver. He’s admitted to it a couple times in either shorts or the podcast, but never the exact thing.
@@MostlyHappyGaming oh I haven’t seen a video where he agrees on it, but hey, makes sense!
It's worse when he calls orichimaru a they. Even worse when he gets confused and calls him a he afterwards lol
@@nickboaz9629 ehh, Orochimaru was definitely male at some point, but is using a female body at the moment, and does not seem to have a strong connection to either gender, so they works fairly well for them.
That los santos customs joke was even better than it normally would be because i was screwing around in gta 5 while listening to this video😂
I still miss jiraiya all these years later
That’s why he came back as a clone because his toad arts are the best and most classic combat scenes to watch
@@kleatise52*penis wiener* 😩
I accept the clone all right But the old man could still be alive the time traveling turtle could’ve saved him right😢😢😢😢
koji kashin in boruto is really cool to watch, and he’ll definitely get his jiraya memories back since it was teased a while ago.
I just can’t wait for the naruto reunion
@@kjthagawd5619 I really hope so. I got real empathy for these characters. They’ve been through so much trauma and they deserve to come back to life and see the peace that’s been created. I know the plot might be a little tarnished by characters coming back but I don’t care.😢😢😢 I really hope Sasuke brother is still alive. Somehow I know it’s ridiculous but that poor boy he was just a kid when he died.
Is orichimaru ever once called they/them in manga? Because I know he is for sure referred to as he multiple times so I’m confused where you get the whole calling him “they” thing? Him stealing a girls body doesn’t make him no longer himself lol.
It’s a joke it’s not that serious lol
Of course, not.
facts
I think the joke was that he meant it literally, as in more than one person (constantly taking over other people's bodies), not a joke about his androgenous look.
It's annoying
Nice to have you back. I hope you enjoy your trip to China and Spain.
Nick I am sending you my medical bill. I took a shot every time you said toe to toe in this video and now I am having my stomach pumped
Jiraiya being almost beaten to death by Tsunade is a common trope in shounen anime. The male allowing himself to be beaten by the female. He didn't try to fight back or defend himself against her, so it doesn't really count.
Tsunami literally BROKE madras’s susanoo with one punch
@@ramonsanders651so the susanoo is slow jiraiya isn't he's not just going to stand there in a real fight
Nah stop downplaying Tsunade mate. She’s super OP. Super strength and pretty much immortal with seal. Jiraiya = lost to Pain. Tsunade = caught 5 Susano’o Madara clones and LIVED.
@@Itsuchi2 I think the point that he’s trying to make is that they weren’t having a real fight.
On my point as always couldn't agree more. And you chose the best timeline for comparison to make it fair
Ooooo Nick is doing vs battles now... Dangerous path to take shits about to get controversial I can't wait
I thought Tsunade was the one who stabbed Manda through the head with Gamabunta's sword.
This is definitely what actually happened
She was
It is. But i think in japanese mythology/culture, the toad is considered the better arch-nemesis of the snake.
You’re a blessing brother. I don’t even like Naruto. BUT… have seen it and both these characters happen to be my favorites
Both Orochimaru and Jiraiya are Imperfect Sages.
I mean technically Orochimaru couldn't even properly use sage mode, the last body he has in the war arc got majorly amped.
Orochimaru can't enter sage mode it's stated he couldn't when he was bit by the great snake sage he was lucky to even escape, that's why he made mitsuki
@@superjedi4206Orochimaru now can enter sage, he has a zetsu body which is better than Mitsuki and kabuto put together
@@orochimarupr yes but this is in response to the video, where it's orochimaru before the zetsu body
@@orochimarupr I should've said but I'm talking about the orochimaru that Nick is using for the versus
Thank you for doing Jiraiya justice! Good and very fair video
Orochimaru definitely has more jutsu to use, but I think jariya has more raw power, and of course sage mode.
I appreciate The details on this hypothetical fight. I was thinking some things. And then you touched on those during your explanations
I forgot that scene where Orochimaru gave Jiraiya a hickey.
Orochimaru was originally a guy and has the mentality of a guy. He is a guy inside of a white zetsu now
Yes but he also has 2 souls in his body at most points and his true form is literally a swarm of many snakes
@@professorpengu502 okay I get it. In the most literal sense he is actually a they at all times
Your intros and outros are always perfect 😅😅.....
You had to give him a win😂😂😂
Reminder that Jiraiya doesn’t have regeneration when fighting Naruto. So he beat 4 Tails Naruto and used a sealing jutsu to beat 4 Tails Naruto while Orochimaru just sent him away and ran away-Yamato was the one who had to calm him down.
You also have to remember jiriya wasn't hindered when he fought 4 tails naruto and almost died.... where Orochimaru was able to keep 4 tails naruto a bay, without his hands, because of Hiruzen so he couldn't use any of strong jutsu
Jiraiya wasn'y fighting 4 tails, he was containing 4 tails and making sure it doesn't get hurt. That's a huge difference.
@@joshuachudley1270pretty sure Jiraya wasn't trying to kill Naruto. He had to fight the 4 tail cloak without harming Naruto or let it harm others.
@@Camera728 orochimaru also wasn't trying to kill naruto, killing him would be useless for body snatching or experimentation , because kurama would be released on death. That's another reason not to kill him as well.
@@joshuachudley1270What? Orochi clearly can use his hands again when he fought 4 Tails Naruto. He literally punched 4 Tails and used Jutsu to block the tailed beast bomb. Orochimaru did worse than Jiraiya because Jiraiya actually managed to supress the 4 Tails and Orochimaru only pushed it back
I love seeing Orochimaru get some recognition and respect kuz holy shit is that man/woman/whatever tf slept on like the whole fan base just overlooks him or forget about him and it’s like bro is cracked and operates on higher iq than more than 95% of the verse and he’s the all knowing everything while being immortal 🗿also I’d assume he’s great at kenjutsu because sasuke had to learn how to use a sword frm someone👀
Yeah same here man I hate seeing him be underrated. He taught sasuke everything that sasuke knows in Shippuden plus the longer he lives the more op he gets.
Yeah.
And yes, he's one of the top kenjutsu users -Remember his fight against his older clone/son in Boruto. And ofc he teached Sasuke.
Now imagine if Hiruzen had raised Naruto like he had promised Minato he would.
I've been waiting for this video for so long. You even exolained why certain people didn't worry about genjutsu. Like...why madara never tried it on hashirama. He knew it wouldn't work
its a shame we diddnt get more fights from Jirayia. show us more of his arsenal.
Bro, you're literally the GOAT of Naruto/boruto/animé content. I look forward to seeing your content everyday
No way bro. I was sick when the Jiraya Vs Itachi video came out, and today, this video comes out while Im sick. Crazy
I refuse to believe that post 4th great war/Boruto Orochimaru can't use sage mode, dude literally has one of the strongest bodies ever
It's not just about the body. UA-camr is just want. Orochimaru is basically not worthy. And can't get into that calm and clarity that sage mode requires. Cause he's out of his mind.
These 2 characters are the definition of power crept. Jaraiya went from being a man that could go toe to toe with Kisame and Itachi, to someone who would lose to Kisame quite badly. Orchimaru went from being this huge master of countless ninjutsu to just this creepy dude that just won’t die.
???? I mean like yes there is power creep in the story but nothing Kisame has in terms of feats in the story prove he'd be able to win against Jiriya making his initial statement correct that he'd loose. The best case scenario for Kisame by the end of Shippuden has him just below Orochimaru and Jiriya.
As for an Itachi & kisame vs Jiriya matchup, Jiriya has specific abilities that let him take on almost any number of opponent thanks to his various Barriers, Toad summoning's and Frog song if he is in sage mode. Not only that even when on deaths doors in his fight with Pain Fugaku confirmed Jiriya could have escaped despite being in the middle of enemy territory and against Pain himself.
So the statement "it wouldn't matter if we call in reinforcements" is proven out on both accounts, he either could have fled with Naruto no matter what the Akatuski did or potentially wiped them all out if he managed to land a Frog Song in sage mode. Jiriya has a lot of hacks abilities especially ones that let him fight multiple opponents at the same time.
@@BigHeadClanexcuse me? Wth you said? "Fugaku" confirms something about jiraiya?i don't remember that!
Did you just assign orchimaru pro nouns 🤣
He loves his headcanon.
They/them works pretty well for Orochimaru if you consider that they don't care about gender presentation and will gladly operate within a physically 'male or female' body without issue either way.
It's a valid headcanon all things considered
@@NekoChanRules Not really. I don’t think Orochimaru cares which gender you see him as. By referring to him in that way, you’re just doing it to fulfill your own desires, not his. He simply wouldn’t care about it like that.
@@nessatic Do you need a hug?? You seem bitter about something
If you don't have a friend in Guantanamo Bay... you might be that friend.
Calling orochimaru "they" through the whole video confused the hell out of me😂
Why is he though? Haven't found any source confirming that orochimaru has preferred pronouns, or even subscribes to this ideology.
@@pindorama2609 ok? I'm just saying the word "they" used to refer to two or more people.
I felt the same. But I'm guessing cause oorochimaru, has taken over female bodies as well. So God knows what he is at this point. Lol
@@jaykun182 it's just because orochimaru was never specified to be a man or woman 🤷
@@wisdomdude2701 he definitely was. They call him he throughout the show.
5:55 wow based NCHammer out of nowhere lol
Unrelated to the videos content itself (great stuff btw) your eyelashes are really poppin!!! Makes your eyes look amazing and stand out.
A somewhat minor feat for Orochimaru that'd I'd like to add is after the Sannin fight Hanzo, whilst all three of them are "still standing", Orochimaru is the only one who's standing without support as Tsunade and Jiraiya are leaning on each other
If we're talking about 4th Great Ninja War Orochimaru, then he stomps.
Fuck no 😂
Orchimaru stomped Tsunade and Jiraiya simultaneously without any jutsu or arms in OG Naruto. It wasn't even close. The only reason why Orchimaru lost, is because Naruto is OP.
No but everyone knows the saying don’t fuck with the old man in amine and the old man in the line of work where they die young 💯
im sorry orochimaru isn't beating 4 paths of pain
@@SlayingSinbut jiraiya was poisoned and could barely mold chakra at all so they were probably equally nerfed
Keep up the awesome work and videos Nick love the video
Orochimaru is a man, how is hard is that to understand my dude? STOP saying they/their
Ever consider doing stat cards for each character when you're facing them off so we can get a overall viewSo we can see how you feel about all characters also compare to other characrers.
Ahh just made it to the full end, I strike this idea from the suggestion box
Quick question, why do you refer to Orochimaru as "they" ? It sounds like he has multiple persons/personalities inside
This just reminds me how crazy it is that orochimaru still can summon, use his snake and body swapping jutsus even after the hokage used the reaper death seal 😅
I wish we got the fight between these two men, it would have been awesome
Nick: "In this Legendary battle of Sannin who comes out on top?"
Me: "Tsunade 😏"
Tsunade is definetly a top
NCHammer must know Flying Raijin, cause he was in Spain in the last video. 🙃
I read the first part of your sentence and thought you meant his talking speed. Bro blitzes through subjects with ease
@@oscarlinderbrandt6870 Considering that I listen to his videos at 2x speed, that's also true. 😆
lets play a game! take a shot every time he says Orochimaru
Orochimaru is not a @they”, he his canonically a man
What is an "@they"
@@professorpengu502 typo. It was supposed to say “they”
To be honest at this Point Orochimaru propably went through so many bodies that 'they' is the most fitting word. The Spirit is Male, the Body is whatever. Also Clones. Also snakes. Like Look at that eightheaded snake Hydra and Tell me the gender Has any relevancy there.
@@vb6523 ….i will grant you a maybe
I’m so happy to get the props and info orochi deserves. Gotta be my favorite character
Orochimaru can't even escape Itachi's Genjutsu. I think he'll be caught off guard against Jiraiya's Genjutsu.
Itachis genjutsu is better than jiraiyas genjutsu tho
Yeah, and Jiraiya stares itatchi right in the eyes every time they encounter each other.
@@Kyspussy974no it’s not, sound based genjutsu is op asf in the narutoverse
@@ZeroGoofs It absolutely is. The fact sound is more versatile does not make it stronger.
Dog nobody escapes Itachi
Never thought nick would bring up Berserk. I can rest easy now
Amazing breakdown, per usual! This was a great one.
Keep doing content like this!! Love the vid, glad you brought it back!
And I thought Orochimaru had use of his arms at the beginning of shippuden? he had already body transferred because sasuke was late.
All orochimaru has to do is be in his girl form to give jiraiya a truly deadly noise bleed
Only real answer
Heck even better, Orochimaru could just transform use Sexy Jutsu and use Tsunades image haha.
I'm amazed by all the people in the comments misgendering Orochimaru. Nick says they/them is a they/them its true. Much like how he says Jiraya would win.
(No, but seriously he's a he. Don't at me)
1) Manda had the upper hand on bunta and it was tsunade who stabbed manda.
2) U didn't considered reanimation in their fight
3) When oro left leaf jiraya confronted him but wasn't able to stop him. Also during the sanin deadlock it was 2v1 against oro with each sanin being nerfed, then too he gave them a tough fight.
4) Why refering orochimaru as they😅.
Because there was a gag in boruto where Mitsuki asked Orochimaru if he was his mom or dad.
From what I have found it was intended to be a joke as he is neither because mitsuki is a clone.
Also Orochimaru swaps bodies and he has done it with men and women.
So certain people in the fan base consider him nonbinary, I can't find official proof of this since in Japanese he usually get male honorifics , and it doesn't seem to be confirmed.
He also appears androgynous.
I'm usually annoyed by the pronoun game but in this case I can see it.
Because you can say they and he and both work
1) Manda while aggressive wasn't able to do any harm to either of their summons, but yes it was Tsunade who stabbed him, the casual collab fireball jutsu from Jiriya and Bunta outclasses anything he can do though.
2) Orochimaru probably wouldn't have time to get it off since Jiriya is a more physical fighter and his insanely fast aoe moves like Lions Mane that could help prevent him from preforming the technique. Even then his barrier Jutsu and better sealing jutsu gives him more options to deal with Edo Tensai than Hiruzen had.
3) We never get to see the fight in full but Jiriya was trying to stop Orochimaru from leaving not kill him, he was nerfed in a similar manner to Naruto vs Sasuke fight. But either way it was many years before even the Chunin exams so it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.
@@BigHeadClan manda easily escaped through the Collab fireball so I don't think it outclasses him.
Even the lion Mane didn't helped jiraya as oro was able to extend his neck to attack. So whatever attacks u gave to jiraya was already shown being countered by oro.
Also jiraiya was nerfed because he literally got drugged by tsunade but yea go off. Jiraiya legit prolly had sage mode by the time of this fight. He's like Naruto and never wanted orochimaru dead young.
@@Darkmagecurt talking about nerfs, orochimaru didn't had his hands. Even he had his hydra form and reanimation. Tho jiraya or Naruto didn't wanted to kill but they weren't even able to captured them. Even in part 1 tsunade with an intent to kill wasn't able to do it.
Orochimaru is basically a super tank. He invested all his points in to defense
Bro is calling Orochimaru "they/them" 😂
That’s cause they are
Orochimaru is referred to as him by his peers though. It's Naruto fans that push the trans agenda that made him nonbinary. Not saying it's a big deal or anything, just giving clarity
@@willsinko4236no, he isn't.
I thinks it's because orochimaru has taken female body's not just male body's so to be fair
By the time Boruto came around Orochimaru does not refer to themselves as any gender nor do the people around them. They also call themselves mitsuki's parent, not father. I beleive orochimaru is non-binary now.@@BusterOlsen
Does anybody think it's funny that we thought taking the arms away from A GUY WHO THINKS HE'S A SNAKE would be a real nerf
you forgot to add hashirama and tobirama as orochimarus summonings,
since hiruzen had to use reaper death seal to take them out while he was fighting a weaker orochimaru, i would argue that orochimaru would probably end up winning because of that added on to everything else you've mentioned
That would be true if we took the Hiruzen fight Orochimaru. Timeline wise Nick used the Orochimaru from the time of when they tried taking over Sasuke to when Itachi sealed them. Gave them a healthy body. Nick mentions Manda 2 over and over cus Manda died from the injuries of Deidara's C0. That means the Hokage aren't available either.
Fun fact: Orochimaru & Jiraya died/got sealed the same day. Sasuke vs Itachi and Jiraya vs Pain took place simultaneously.
I agree, it’s wild to see him not mention Edo Tensei, one of Orochimaru jutsus that I believe no other person can use besides Tobirama. Not sure if Jiriyah has a counter against the 1st,2nd,3d,4th hokage. Nick mentions Jiriyah using sage mode with Ma and Pa, you might as well mention Orochimaru Edo Tensei that can “revive” the past hokages or any other person to counter him. I believe that feat is crazy op and unique
The funny thing is that you think that Jiraiya doesn't know the snake of the hidden leaf has the edo and don't know how to stop it which he can. put him under genjutsu he's done or put him in a frog's belly and reverse summon it and burn the contract done and done.
@@StickMasterKaiKabuto
@@MyBeardBroyea and Orochimaru just stabs Jiraiya with kusanagi sword and it's done
You completly ignored Orochimarus Edo Tensei abilities at the end.
Who the f**k is they and them. Orochimura is 1 person. Its really throwing me off😂😂😂 He's a dude, just same he and him damn.
tell 'em
Correct!
I was thinking the same thing
It’s a joke because Orichimaru is a Famother
@@chance2110joke at the expense of clarity
Dang, editor really got everything he could out of that clip of Oro punching 4-tailed Naruto.
Orochimaru is WASHING jiraiya and it’s literally no competition. I do love me some jiraiya tho
I'm pretty sure Jiriaya would fall to the same problem as Naruto in most of his fights against Sasuke, that he'd hold back from killing him, because of their shared past, only for Orochimaru to have no qualms against that. Also you didn't mention the Edo Tensei against Jiriaya.
Cuz it’s him vs orochimaru why would orochimaru just summon the first hokage to do everything for him would be very boring
No way youre referring to an anime character as a they… what has this world come to
This gotta be the most cornball response I've ever seen, have you even seen Orochimaru? Lost brain cells trying to understand how you're so easily triggered 🤡
I mean, orochimaru has been reincarnated as women men and neither so ‘they’ kinda does fit
took me 12min to realize you were saying they/them referring to Orochimaru 😅🤣
Referring to Orochimaru to They/Them is driving me nuts. Did he come out at Trans/Gender-fluid or is this just a thing fan’s decided was his identity
There is a single line, in Boruto, when he says he is both mother and father to mitski (however you spell it).
But he's always referred to as "he" in the manga and anime.
He is literally a GENDER less snake you can say HE SHE THEY IT or WHATEVER it’s a fictional ANIME they aren’t bound to human English grammar practices or gender norms for fuck sakes
The way I see it, people who DO refer to orochimaru as “they” is because he uses another persons body to take over as his own? Or atleast used to before getting the white zetzu body. I haven’t watched much of boruto yet so idk if they came out with some other reason I am yet to hear of
This guy is just woke bro, half way through the video I got tired of hearing this confusing speech and clicked on the Seth the programmer video instead
@AlvaroArturoNunez You do realize that it isn’t even about gender identity with Orochimaru? Orochimaru has literally biologically been both male and female multiple times. That’s why Orochimaru’s own “child” doesn’t know whether to put Orochimaru down as mother or father. Even Orochimaru doesn’t know how to define it.
Nick really said “Griffith & Berserk” come on man
They literally fought in the anime and jiraiya lost trying to bring Orichimaru back to the village. This guy just loves Jiraiya at this point. Should’ve expected this since he said itachi would lose to him
Funny that the data book has jiraiya as stronger than orochimaru
Gotta like how Nick is switching from He to They with orochinaru every 2 minutes
The fact that orochimaru has to be nerfed so much to make this fight close to fair tells us who is the better ninja
I mean in large part that because while Jiraiya was ded Orochi got amped tf up lmfao.
@@lucario2able Honestly though, even if he stayed alive, he had no way of catching up to orochimaru anyway 🤷♂️
@@MrGordo730 we don't know that lmfao. He didn't even have Perfect Sage mode yet when he died and hadn't put chakra releases into rasengan yet. He wasn't done he just spent his time on his... passions in life lop.
This was an amazing video! Please do more versus battles in the future! Especially do one featuring Kabuto vs Obito
lol why does it keep calling oriochimaru them they ? cant watch the video like this
Too confusing
Awesome as always thanks ❤
Nick, Manda actually was about to eat Gamabunta and Tsunade saved him impaling Manda through the top of his mouth. Also, didn't finished the video yet but I suspect a little Jiraya bias 😂😂. Also, in 4 tails fight Oro rebirth was used 2 or 3 times
Heavy Jiraiya bias.
Bro you have a talent of stretching a 5-10 minutes video all the way to half an hour
Orochimaru beats Jiraiya handily.
He didn't even talk about Edo Tensei.
Sage Mode needs preparation time he won't have in battle of normal environment.
Jiraiya's strongest jutsu is literally tanked by Orochimaru (assuming he'll have the mobility and chance to hit him with it). He can't be killed.
Jiraiya doesn't need prep time he has mom and pops and Jiraiya didn't use his strongest attack against that slippery snake because one of he's strongest attack is with mom and pops or and he's summoning abilities.
@@MyBeardBro He does, he needed to seclude himself in a tunnel for minutes.
I never said anything of not using his strongest against Orochimaru.
Itschi is stronger than obito and nagsto stated multiple times even by kishimoto himself in the authors note. So many errors in this videos who is this clown lmao
Your research into the series is unrivaled. Really props to you.
The only criticism I have is that you call orochimaru a they or them when it’s clearly stated throughout the entire series that he is a he. Even though he did take over the body of women here and there. He always remained a he and was referred to as he. Often it was stated “his next vessel”.
Thank you. I was about to say the same thing.
Cause Boruto
I hate the they/them bullshit!
Cope
Hey idk if you knew that jiraya and orochimaru actually fought when orochimaru leave the village,it was offscreen but the outcome of that fight was that jiraya couldn’t bring him back,just like the 1st naruto vs sasuke fight it ended probably the same way,either jiraya won and orochimaru escaped or orochimaru won and had mercy on his former comrade like sasuke did with Naruto on their 1st encounter,this happens on jiraya’s tales on his fight against pain on his regrets in his life….
Orochimaru is a he not a they. Don't know why u had to go and gender swap him.
Because He is both male and female he has used a female body before
But his birth gender was male
@jades5772 so at 1 point he was a she, and went back to he and stayed he but because years ago he was she now he's they? Ur making a political statement
@@brycebranch9639 it seems like it because He dont lose the other capitylitys
He just tryna stay away from ppl getting mad for no reason
Ah yes the person who literally switches bodies with people can only be deemed a man
The Sannin that comes out on top is clearly Tsunade.
Why do you keep call him they bro it’s only one person
I don’t think Orochimaru fought Sasori when he was weakened because he weaved hand signs to use the Edo Tensei.
Accidentally says he and his a bunch 😂. Enough with the they/them crap.
Are we just going to overlook the fact that Nick might know someone in Guantanamo bay?
Love your videos, you really understand Kishimoto and the story line. I love all your content, your brilliant. I have an idea I thought about for your next video. Ranking dads in the Naruto verse. I'd like to start the ranking off with #1 MVD (most valuable dad) Shukaku and in 2nd probably Minato.
24:56 Orochimaru only lost to Itachi, once because of Tsukiyomj, and second because of the Totsuka blade. Jiraiya doesn't have any in his arsenal clmparable to that.
No it was a basic paralysis jutsu itachi didn’t need the ms for orochimaru. He was also 14 when he one shotted orochimaru.
@stephenking2895 it was said to be Tuskiyomi though.
Okay. And?
@@SlayingSin not it was not. It’s in the databooks it’s called demonic illusion shackle stacks it’s a base sharigan genjutsu not an ms genjutsu .
The way he keeps on saying they when referring to orochimaru is really funny 😂😂
You need to enter a speed talking competition
Think this is a pretty fair assessment.
Great vid man keep it up loved the idea.
Can you also do what if legendary sanin went to pain hideout instead of just jiraya
Possibly theory, could jiraiya be Edotensied using kashin kojis DNA. They are the same person genetically
I'd assume their souls are different, like if they were identical twins, I'd say.
@@jakemoore5077 but that's also under the assumption that kashin koji has a soul
Your videos are always so interesting and entertaining, but if you could talk a tiny bit slower I would be able to follow what you're saying easier. You talk so fast that my brain struggles to keep up 😅