Condor Primitive Bush Knife - Wingman115
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- Condor Primitive Bush Knife - Wingman115
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Matt Graham and Condor teamed up to design the Primitive Bush Knife. The 420 high carbon stainless steel is 13 1/2" overall length with a blade length of 8". The blade thickness is 3.0mm and comes with a hand crafted welted leather sheath. The Bush Knife weighs just under a pound at.94lbs.
Product Dimensions: 19 x 3.2 x 1.5 inches ; 15 ounces
Shipping Weight: 1.4 pounds
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When it comes to chopping, nothing beats a saw.
I appreciate the honest review. To be fair to Matt Graham, his blade is modified and addresses all three of the issues you mentioned. Slight regrind to the blade, slight expansion to the leather sheath, and he coated the hardwood handle in buckskin. I hear the V2 version is junk (Micarta handles are in 6 pieces and break with repeated use)
Thanks for watching.
I bought a nice kershaw shallot a week ago and man it's sweet ! Razor sharp, flipper is smooth as butter and ergonomically perfect in the hand.
Thanks for stopping by b
i really want this knife. I like it a lot, and I think Matt Graham is cool as hell.
***** Thanks for watching.
+JW's BulletsNBlades Matt is everyone's fav but this knife Condor came out with is just for cashing in. Save yourself the $$$ and just modify the jungle Bowie yourself as per Matts original knife or go grab a Marbles brand Jungle Bowie (made in El Salvador 420HC) and modify it for even bigger savings. The sheath looks good but its not that great.
From what I understand you have to squeeze the middle part of the sheath which keeps the leather from pinching, which is what is part of what gives it such good retention. I think it the same type of sheath used on some Helle knives and Sammi inspired knives.
+Ben Summerhill Thanks for the info!
In mine the cutting edge is all the way... so there is quality differences. I wrapped paracord around the handle to make it thicker. Mine was not all that sharp out of the box but that's no problem since I like to sharpen knives. Nice review!
+kayttamatonnimi Thanks for stopping by.
Good and fair review about a great knife Jon. I like the unique design, the simplicity and it's functionality. I want this knife definitely.
Cheers Uwe
Bandicut Atlatl Thanks for watching.
Great look at it. I had a blade with a steep scandi grind and I just couldn't get used to it. It's now a garage blade where I just beat the hell out of it and not worry about it.
***** I'm going to try some WorkSharp mod's on this blade and see if I can make it rise from the ashes... Thanks for watching.
***** UA-cam is such a troll. I had to reply to a comment before it would allow me to post...lol.
Mighty unconventional and looks like it needs some refinement but could
be workable! I really enjoy these reviews where you spent your own hard
earned money to try a new product! Always feels very genuine! Thanks
John.
+Patriot36 Thanks for stopping by my friend.
Love this knife! FYI....Condition the leather sheath (I used olive oil) and the leather will soften significantly. It makes it much easier to handle the blade when inserting and pulling out the blade from the sheath.
Great idea thanks for the 411.
As always great knife review brother. Very honest and insightful, I'm still interested in the knife ever since I saw it on Matt Graham on Dual Surivival, he makes the knife look like it can do anything but as with everything depends on individual skill and personal system. Take take!
Mexprep I'm going to keep working with this blade...
I think a finger choil would work great next to the handle to bring the actual cutting edge close to your hand. It would also change the blade weight so there is less arm fatigue with fine carving. Just some thoughts.
William Collins I like where your going with this. I'm planning a few mod's to this blade and may put in a choil now that you brought it up.. I might be able to make it work.
Look forward to seeing the mods.
Great review this...thanks 👏
I agree on all the points you made except the sheath. My sheath fits much better. I've already started drawing that edge back and have some ideas on how to beef up the palm swell.
I agree though, as is its good. It won't take much from Condor to make it great.
Blue Mountain Bushcraft and Outdoors When I have a bit of time I'm going to run the knife through the WorkSharp Ken Onion and see if I cam bring that edge all the way back.. I might even try sanding the handle to fit my hand better.. I like what their doing with this knife. It will just take a few mod's to make it outstanding.
that tip bent the first time I jabbed it into a piece of wood, preparing to put linseed oil on the handle. Both sides of the knife tip were too sharp and too thin. I banged the tip straight on an anvil. Also, the inside of the sheath wasn't finished, resulting in a knife that sliced the inner sheath. It made me nervous, withdrawing the blade and feeling it slice into the leather. By scraping the edge around while it's partially in the sheathe helps clear out the excess leather and makes a better draw. Wingman, your idea for a choil would suit this knife well. Good call. In the end, I'd have to agree with you on this one: this knife was introduced into the market too soon. They still have some bugs to get out of the package.
+John Ajac Contact Condor about the tip and see if they can fix or replace it for you.. Thanks for the comment and watching the video.
hey wing man love the channel just wanted to say that the eye of the conder is for carving you stick a stick in it and downward carving on like a log or a bow
Thanks for the info.
Very nice blade indeed Jon!!
SUFFICIENT SURVIVAL Thanks for checking in.
Looks like a cool knife.
Survival On Purpose Thanks for stopping by Bryan.
Good video....From my experience using a big chopper I always use a lanyard, it really helps to keep the knife under control and is safe also. Makes chopping much easier. Ray....Oklahoma
+Ray getoutdoors Ray thanks for checking in.
420 HC steel, when properly heat treated, is a very good knife steel. Buck Knives, Case (Tru Sharp Surgical Steel), as well as several prominent German knife makers have used 420 HC (HC= high carbon) for years with great success. For the average person, it is better than so called "super steels" because it is easier to sharpen, esp. in the field, holds an edge "long enough" and then some, and our Grandfathers put food on the table with it. It's easy to maintain also, being stainless steel. Now 420J is junk, bottom of the barrel. Look for the "HC". It is much less expensive as well.
+csh 62 Thanks for the comment.
Wrap some ranger bands around the handle. You'll thank me. :)
+fastacker2 👍🏻👊🏻
Nice review! Love mine i renamed her the Hunter Gatherer only mod i did was bring the blade back some other than that i like the light weight they stuck too with the handles even though having bigger hands. Also the SS is great since most survival is done by water.
Thanks for watching.
Yeah, I understand but it seems like unsheathing at times will require you to remove the sheath with the other hand in order to pry it out.
Matts original knife appears to me, to be ground differently, the angle is a little less steep, and well farther back up around the top edge. Matts handle is also leather wrapped. Which should help with your grip.
Kurt Lud This knife will meet my WorkSharp Ken Onion.... Thanks for watching.
Perhaps because it is blade heavy, you can use the un-sharpened part to grip forward for detailed work. That might be their thinking on this.
+Steven “Shooter11b” Szabo Thanks for checking in.
That seems to be a great knife
Thanks for watching.
Awesome review Jon!
LOADEDF1ST Thank you.
i love this knive i did not have any of the problems u had. also i got a great kydex sheath 4 it. mine also has the sharpest spine of all of my knives. condor is not the most consistent with quality control but i have been lucky with my purchases so far. p.s. great review.
Eric McNeil Thanks for the comment.
Not sold on this knife , for my uses, tho i may love it. LOL Thanks for the video and good review.
Kullcraven Bushcraft Thanks for checking in.
Your right on with the handle
The knife is simple and good...but the handle needs a bit of work to be great.
+Mike T Thanks for watching my friend.
Love the knife wingman. My only gripe is the handle. They should've used somthing more weather resistant like Kraton or Micarta or even G-10.
+Mr5cylinders I agree thanks for watching.
I do like this knife and I think the Hudson Bay by Condor would make a good companion to this knife. I'm sure the handles can be replaced some how.
Prepare Learn Survive! I'm going to try a few mod's and report back later on.
***** Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.👍
you too shipmate keep it up
Thanks for doing the vid brother. I think I'll stick with my Cold Steel Bushman's. They do everything well for a hell of price. I do did the blade design of the PBK though. Cheers.
***** Thanks for watching.
My pleasure bro, I enjoy your vids, keep them coming!
I can see tons of uses for that blade. might be as close as you could get to a one knife does all. or that's my opinion anyway
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Oh when you stood on the blade I cringed a little bit but you no what after watching your review think I'm going to buy one
Great review
Breed45 Thanks for watching.
good review
Great review Jon. You and Mike convinced me to get one.
Feral Woodcraft Joe you will do well with this blade.
I have this knife, and the edge problem at 2.11 is not on mine, i think that was just a factory mistake with yours and so is the false edge on top that you have, it is meant to be sharpened.. for me this knife is the best combination of all things, I've had it for Half a year now, never sharpened it, and it went on some trips with me, it is still quite sharp. no chipings out of the steel either. The sheath does loosen up, i wet molded it, and it is perfect now.
WC knives, the knife is light of itself, so dont take of blade weight, a finger choil would reduce usefullness, there is allready a flat bit for your finger. the only change i made is rounding of the tip by 3 tot 5 milimeters to make it even better for bow drill divids I would give it a 5 star rating. The 3 things are all factory mistakes, and the leather is just stiff cuz' it hasnt been used yet. Oh yes, wingman, change your chopping technique, the way you do it now does not look efficient to me. I love the way you do a specs rundown, and how you look at the knife from every position. and how you stay impartial, you're doing well bud!
every flaw you pointed out was accurate
+James Lytle Thanks for watching.
The actual make variations with micarta and a carbon steel blade.
I find myself strangely drawn to this knife although it would never be my first choice for anything. Maybe it's the Eye of the Condor lol. Nice job Wingman!
cyclist01222 It's a good knife with a bit of mod's it will be a great knife.
I like it
great review ...
+SangamonRiverRats Thanks for checking in.
Great review. I love the knife and I think highly of MG. However, as beautiful is that sheath is my fear is I would put it down and misplace it in the bush. I still plan on purchasing but I rue the day when I sit that beautiful piece of leather on a stump and walk away from it. As a shorter guy I'm wondering how it will ride under the arm.
+Kenneth Womack Wedge it in between your belt to keep it secure.
great review very honest
Owen Watkins Thanks for watching.
The eye of the condor could be used to start a fire with a Ferrell rod if you stick the knife in a log and place the rod into the hole with the tinder bundle under Neath..
Thanks for the info.
I bought the knife and have no issue with the scabbard as you point out. The handle issue could be solved with a lanyard? The edge? No comment. I still have a lot to do with this knife as I bought it to beat to hell. We'll see.
Mark Hudson Keep me posted brother!
Mines on its way. Maybe sand the finish off the handle and wipe it with linseed oil?
+traxfan32 That would work.
I like the knife except for the fact that I carry a small axe. I am not drawn to large knives. This looks like a good one though. A little work with a stone will fix the blade. The blade is ground by machine I bet. You have the fix for the sheath and a little tape like on a baseball bat will fix the handle. I have never found a perfect knife or anything really. Good video
Thanks for watching and commenting.
i think it should be in carbon, even just 1075 so you could use it with flint, like lots of primitive cultures did.
This years models are carbon steel.
I don't own this knife, but in discussing the area of blade ricasso, perhaps it is for the purposes of sharpening in the field on a rock. At least, when I have sharpened a few of my knives with puck & stone, the ricasso has provided enough space for me to not scratch up the bolster and handle. Also, as to the sheath, It would seem it is much like a traditional Kukri sheath, and if so, would require the user to learn the proper technique in removing the blade, so as to not injure themselves.
Steven Boyd Thanks for posting a comment Steven.
I am tempted to get this knife, everything about it is awesome! I am hoping you can answer some questions i have before i buy it... How does it go when doing big chopping tasks? Could it replace a machete in terms of brush clearing in a jungle scenario? Also, how is the edge retention? How long does it stay razor sharp for and how easy is it to get back to shaving sharp? Thanks alot, randy.
+Randy Flint I had no issues with it holding a edge. With that said I would not use it as a machete..
Say Heah John, When you were talking to Matt at the Show, I was yelling tell him about a choil, But neither one if you heard ne heh heh heh.
+paulie 4x LOL Paulie.
Heh heh heh,,,
Didnt notice till the end but wheres the belt loop? If it doesnt have one thats a big bummer because I have the condor jungle bowie and it has a terrific sheath which rotates so I believe Condor made some serious mistakes here when adking some $65+ dollars for somthing with so many issues as you have pointed out. I believe someone should contact them to fix these issues because I really like the knife.
+Mr5cylinders I hope they address the issues on next years model for sure.
They actually do have one with Micarta handle scales which I would like to get one of those with the Micarta scales.
Did I miss seeing you strike a ferro rod with it? Otherwise a nice review. I think I'll pass on this one. I have the Hudson Bay knife from Condor that works well for chopping for me. Thanks for sharing.
Good review brother. I am still looking for a good bush knife.
MidTnOutdoors Thanks for checking in.
wingman...congrats on not batoning lol, i read most of the comments, and nobody complained that you did`nt baton with it..any way, i liked the review thanks
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Is there a 90 degree spine?
....just pulled the trigger myself....58.00 online....can't wait to try it, lots of very good reviews. I like sheath with no retention that rises high into handle and tab so you can tuck it and go. ANY quality bush knife will need personal, professional re-sharpen....to test an out of box fixed blade is pointless in my opinion.....will not show true capabilities. Good vid though.
+Jeff Swartout Thanks for watching.
Beautiful knife. Is there an attachment point for the sheath or belt loop at least?
No attachment just tucks into your belt.
That's too bad man. Guess I'll have to figure something out.
Great video and great review as always Jon.
I agree on all points made (well, except the handle issue; I don't have a PBK to feel the handle for myself, but like you said in the video, people with larger hands might not have problems with it, idk).
The issue with the grind not going all the way back may be that way so that you can choke up on the blade for finer tasks, I'm not sure though.
I think the sheath will be fine after you re-wet form it. The issue I have with the sheath is the way you have to put it on your belt (or I should say through you belt). Does the sheath come out from your waist when drawing it? It seems like it would. I would either have a custom sheath made for it, or modify the stock one with some sort of belt loop system. That's just me, though.
kpw528 To safely draw the knife I take the whole system out of my belt that way I don't cut myself.
I'm looking at ... By Matt Graham
• Primitive Bush Knife (ss) & (cs)
• Primitive Bush Machete (cs)
• Primitive Seqotia Knife
• Primitive Bush Mondo Knife
• Big Leaf Machete
Can't make up my mind.
Got any opinions on the designs ?
Mondo handle looks great.
keep up the honest reviews!
Does ANYONE know if the "hole" (a.k.a. "Eye of The Condor") can be used to open bottles of beer as a bottle opener???
+Jenard de Castro No it's just the eye of the condor logo...
I like mine allot
Thanks for checking in.
"The Eye of Condor" haha
I would like to get both the wooden handled version and the Micarta handled version along with the with the primitive Sequoia knife just to see how they all three handle for my area.
I'm looking to get the Sequoia I love that design.
I also like the design of primitive line of Condor knives, well when you get one of them I would like to hear your thoughts on it. I am thinking of getting a few Condor knives to try them out in my area to see how they do here in the woods of Kentucky and put them with the one or two TOPS BOB knives that I am going to be getting.
AO2? Great vid buddy. Or Shipmate?
+David Watkins Both. LOL
I would be using that flat part on the blade so I can choke up onto the blade
SOUTHERN CROSS SURVIVAL Great idea! Thanks for commenting.
Have you checked out any of the zero tolerance, crkt or kershaw knives ?
I would love to get my hands on a zero tolerance knife that I just can't afford them right now.
Say Heah Wingman, I wish that Perimotive had a Choil though, It just feels too big of a knife and it's not too practical to choke up on it. a Choil would be perfect, ,,, ,,, ,,,
Wrap the handle with tennis racket tape.
+Dwight E Howell Will do. Mod's are coming.
Say Heah John, Yeah, I still would like to have the Condor Primitive Bush Knife. But I also wanted a knife to team with my Battle Horse Modified Attitude. I actually found one. I had my Mad Hatter Machete made in such a way that I can use it as a large knife instead of just a Machete. I had the spine rounded for strength and comfort and a small area to strike a ferro rod. The upper 3/4ths of the blade a Convex Grind with Scandi I got the idea from Colhane a Machete Guru, After a little touch up its near perfect. I just don't like it, I love it. Infact I'm using this combo this weekend trip. Yeah my Modde Attitude I can use as my Bushcraft Survival Knife, Infact I could put it up against my BK-2 and my Ranger Afghan Oh, and my Ranger T. F. I, Yeah it's one tough hombro. But with the White G-10 Handles with Blue Liners it L@@Ks people friendly. But deep inside I know how tough it is so yeah'sur I definitely could use it in a Tactical Situation. Beefy, Ahh yeah, Robust, Oh yeah, I'm very happy I had it modified. Not only can I baton chop, but the high scandi It slices great. Two serious critirua I insist in this type of knife. But I still want a Primitive Bush Tool.,,. p
+paulie 4x 👍🏻👊🏻I also suffer from knife lust.
Wingman115 W. C. sent me the unfinished knives I designed, I'll call them Paul'ies Pride and Paul'ies Delight. I posted them on Google Plus and your welcome to L@@K.,,.p
Does anyone know if this could be shipped to the uk at all would love to have this knife I can't find any info on international orders?
+NICK DUFFY I'm sure it does. Did you try Amazon?
Google it, there is a German company that sell it. Do not remember name of company though. You can also look up EKA 's new chopper/survival/bushcraft blade. They also have good steel ,Sandvik ,but pricey .
Ok funny thing I was just commenting on another channel regarding batoning being one of the major test of knives today and how I thought that was about as ridiculous as pounding the knife into a tree and using it as a step...then here you are pounding a knife into a tree and standing on it...awesome. I have a machete that I assume is exactly where that knife came from and in my opinion I think I would rather have the whole machete rather the cut down version. Either way when I first saw Matt Graham on the show with that knife I thought that it was cool and really fit his character but its just not for me.
mykalbee The reason I stood on the knife was to dis-spell the myth of 420HC steel with the right heat treat it will hold up and it did! Thanks for watching...
ehh good review but i don't find the knife all that impressive.... seems to work really well for matt though
Thanks for watching b
Love your channel. keep it up.
MN1 RETIRED
Thanks for your service and for watching.
looks like a great knife - i like all condors blades but their blade profiles are garbage - they should always be reworked - resharpened - that blade should have gone through that branch like a hot knife through butter
+cassanoa I re profiled mine.
i know - i saw your other video - i have a few of their knives and axes
how is it to sharpen?
Average.
@@Wingman115 hmmm...
@@Regularcitizen1 I believe it’s 420 steel that can be a bear to sharpen razor sharp for some folks.
U must have a bad hand or arm, because that chopping display ur doing isn't to good. I have the knife and it's a BEAST! I used Fero Rods, batoned with it etc. Damn near use it for everything. I replaced it with my BK-7 and thats saying a lot.
+Eli Vazquez Ah... OK LOL Thanks for watching.
+Wingman115 Ur Wc. I really enjoy ur videos keep up the great work.
That flat spot in the blade just in front of the handle might be for additional safety when drawing the knife out of the sheath...and when using the knife in general because of the slippery wood scales. And because of the downward sweep of the spine and the false edge at the tip,...it does not appear to be a design that would readily lend itself to batoning wood. I noticed that you did not try that. With that said, at 71.99 dollars, I'll pass. Good review as usual Jon. AMB from Arizona. ;-)
Charles Larson That flat spot really pushes the working edge too far out for me.. I'm going to reprofile the edge when I get a chance on the WorkSharp.
***** I understand.......I'm just saying that it might have been a safety feature. Perhaps they can tell you. Just a thought. Over all, I don't like the design....better knives for the money out there. ;-)
Charles Larson any suggestions?
Michael StJohn I'm going to purchase the Schrade 51 or 52.
Great choice in knives.
can i ask what the hole on the blade is for?
It's their trademark.
no the hole on it
not the condor text
The hole in the blade is the eye of the condor.
+Wingman115 oh thank you haha... now i feel stupid ;P
Great aim with yur choping (not rlly)
Great comment with your spelling. Oh not really... LOL Thanks for watching.
I watched this video review of the Condor Primitive Bush Knife with great interest. I like cool knife designs. This Bush knife by Condor does look cool. But, John, as soon as you showed the audience the mess made of the knife's cutting edge, I was no longer interested. This is why I like watching these reviews. They offer a good heads-up to the consumer. And as I watched you chop with this blade, I was unimpressed. A very bad knife for chopping, it seems. The biggest problem with this Condor Primitive Bush Knife rests squarely with quality control. Someone working for Condor is not doing their job. This knife should never have been introduced for sale to the public in its present condition.
Teachering I agree.. I will be doing some mod's to this knife very soon.
lol your using the knife wrong for those feather sticks.and not having knife edge going all the way back to the handle is a good thing on that long blade.peace
+Sal 👍🏻👊🏻
get another knife if you don't like the design of this one
This is a product review channel. This is what I do. LOL
I have one and don't like it!