*Looks at 609.9 hours playtime, looks at the Steam reviews, looks at the playerbase numers, breaths in...In the German psyker voice*: "I sense rage, fear and foreshortened lifespans."
The second question in the FAQ, to be completely frank, isn't your job. That always irks me about that response. We're supposed to be the customer base, not the developers.
Nice explanation of the pro and cons. I agree with you. The Core Gameplay saves the game. I personally love the gameplay so much. But yea the toxic aspects slowly can grind you down.
At the end of the day, this game needs a soft relaunch if it is to have any hope of rebuilding its lost playerbase. That's not going to be easy. Just fixing it wont bring people back, it needs a new enemy faction, an actually compelling story, and a ton of new content, but even that might not be enough. It might be worth going for a hail mary PvPvE mode at this point.
I think the game abuses too much from weak but massive hordes. This is the primary reason why guns are inferior to melee. Guns normally can only hit one or two dudes at a time so facing hordes with it is generally ineficient in comparison with melee that can bring down entire hordes with a couple slashes.i think the game need less of those enemies and more decent enemies that can be a threat individually. When player faces fewer but strongest enemies that can take quite a few melee hits and can dish large ammount of damage is when guns become way more useful allowing player to bring down those fewer but dangerous enemies from safety. Maps should be a bit more opened and offer different routes to reach one same place as well as allowing for flanking maneuvers. For that same porpuse ranged enemies should be way more prominent than they are now, the game should play way more with the ranged skirmishes, cover and tactical flanqing to create way more variety of situations instead of just the big horde of enemies that players mob down in melee time after time. It does get tired really fast. These are my impressions and sorry the wall of text. Best of luck!
With Fatshark handling the game they really lived up to that one 40k quote of "Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned".
Honestly how did they make V2 then do this so poorly? I know V2 took time to balance out, but you think they would have learned from that and done DT right at the jump.
@@FelixGaunt "you think they would have learned from that" is a major thing a lot of people seem to forget. I've heard a lot of "just wait for it to get good, VT2 took a while to become polished" but like... they've already been through that, they should have already learnt from it, we shouldn't be making excuses for a game studio doing this AGAIN. Comparing VT2 on launch to Darktide on launch is absolutely the wrong comparison to make, it is completely fair to compare Darktide now to VT2 now. If you can't at least match a previous game your company made, develop it more and wait until you are able to match it. From the first moments of the closed beta test we knew this game needed to be delayed, but Fatshark had to get that tencent money
Yup. Took me five hours to play what the game had to offer, and realize they were doing something 'brand new' with stats and gear and classes and... well, they fucked it up again. Same thing happened VT1 to VT2, somehow Fatshark took all the lessons on crafting and tossed them all into the shredder in an effort to make a pointless and difficult grind for miniscule stat boosts. And Darktide is just straight up more of the same mistakes, but even bigger problems with fiddly diddly bullshit stats and a completely opaque item power system.
It's a very bad show of character when you have a fully functioning cash shop in your game, before your game is even working properly. That part really stung harshly for me when I played it for the 1st month
I felt it was a real red flag seeing how little extra content there was compared to beta on release. If they keep making lvls and explore the lore they could keep going planet after planet but looking at vermintide and what they have said about DT I'm not very hopeful.
Yep, the content release is moving slower than the usual Fatshark pace we saw with Vermintide(Which was already slow). So I don't expect this game to get the promised new class every 3 months, or a new map often. Even though the whole reason they decided to recycle so many assets between maps, was so they could release new maps more often than they did with Vermintide...
@@SuperCatacata sad man, their sitting on a gold mine. Could be the perfect way to break 40k to mainstream audiences. It's a great game mechanically, just lacking in content. Played the beta's so much when I played the full game there was nothing really new and my heart sank. I wish they had taken more time.
@@goffe2282 Most likely. I would assume the people in the Dev team who poured time and effort into the game won the arguments for the initial delays. But eventually the money people got involved and saw Christmas sales combined with a fiscal landmark looming and forced the decision to release it. Is my guess.
@@GamingExistence yeh it's strange how the money men seem to keep undervaluing how catastrophic a bad launch can be, realeassing a unfinished game and treating paying customers like play testers. we see this time and time again In this current climate. I hope fatshark can pull it out of the bag. Because they have a talented bunch and I prefer this 40k lore a million times more than vermintide.
Fun fact, I am a console peasant. They had originally promised a simultaneous release of both PC and consoles with cross play. I haven't even got to experience the problems you mentioned because I haven't got the game yet. It's been 4 months since launch, with nothing. They didn't even bother to tell anyone the console release was indefinitely delayed until 2 months after it should have released. Failure to communicate is a major problem. It sucks, because I love Vermintide 2.
When I first started playing Darktide, I noticed pretty quickly that the microtransaction store was strategically placed so that you always run past it on the way to the mission hub. I refunded before hitting the two hour mark, then went and bought Deep Rock Galactic. Been happily rocking and stoning ever since.
And your mind was too weak to ignore it or something? I barely noticed it. Also not sure why people keep mentioning DRG, these games work differently, the only similarity is having hordes.
One big problem with the bots i dont see a lot of people talking about is that they always spawn as a marksman, i get why we wouldnt get psycher npcs but i mean an AI ogryn and zealot could make a big difference for when you have to rely on the bots
Why wouldn't we get pysker bots? We get sienna bots in vt2, so I don't see how hard it would be to make 4 set bots that can spawn in with x weapon x melee and x feats
@@GriffyWdaGrippy Or just make the bots spawn from Host's Character pool. If Host Does not have more then 1 or so slots then it fills from a random Character from the other players. If your playing Solo and and No bots then It will generate a random bot That matches level with you.
To add insult on this one, VT2 not only allowed you to have any of the class bots, the bots had the gear the Host has for that class. I understand there is no Host in dedicated servers, but there are multiple solutions for this. They had a great, working system in VT2 and developed selective amnesia, just like a lot of Darktide systems.
An anecdote on the occasional unfair losses, I had an entire team wipe from a standard bearer beastman's knockback pushing everyone off a staircase that was over a cliff in Vermintide 2. It was unavoidable and I had to take a break after that incident.
I knew this game was in a poor state but I didn’t know it was THAT bad. Great gameplay loop can’t excuse poor design choices and stupid dev “engagement” strategies… Title of the video should be “I played 200hrs of Darktide so you don’t have to”. Great video.
I've got about 250 hours in the game. Taking a break until they add more content and do something about no mission select and allow us to reroll stats.
But that's not it though. The gameplay really is stellar and I highly recommend that you try this game... except I would maybe wait a bit. My steam review is still negative even though the game has gotten better. The crafting system is just completely borked. The gameplay loop is still enjoyable, but I understand if you are wary.
@@WintersFinalstand i got almos 3oo hours out of it b4 i hit my limit so who am i to say you can't have fun at it what broke me was the blessing system its pure shit.
Some of the problems you mentioned with this game are issues that are still in Vermintide 2 till this day like disconnecting from a game, enemies spawing right in front of you, enemies being completely silent, and somehow not being able to pull yourself up from a ledge. It's crazy how Fatshark already had the blueprint to make a good game but somehow still managed to mess it up.
No real surprise. Fat Shark is content to keep it lean, surviving while making Games Workshops happy. Skin the core game, add the shop, and then watch sales to decide how much more to bother with. It's been this way since 2015 and VT1. I don't think anyone should expect it to change.
In my experiences i have a better time with VT2 enemy attack from behind audio cue compare to DT which is barely audiable especially in the mist of combat.
@@jamest3002 my thoughts exactly. I'm a veteran of Vermintide 1 and Vermintide 2 and although i'm a big fan of 40k, I knew that this shitshow was going to happen and didn't bother to buy it. As long people preorder and keep defending the release of a broken game with a braindead design, they will keep doing it. Just wait and see how Vermintide 3 will show us a sick trailer, some fake developers interviews saying that they learned from their mistakes and it will be the same shitshow again and people will be surprise
Man, it is super weird that a game can make me keep playing it while also telling people they shouldn't buy it. I'm surprised you didn't mention how frustrating Brain Burst was - and still is to some extent after a slight improvement.
This is an excellent, comprehensive video. One of the things that aren't mentioned is how annoying the micro-stuns are. On Damnation difficulty, ranged units can take away your toughness very quickly and every hit after that will cause micro-stuns. This silly mechanic is one of my most unsatisfying things I've experienced in a game, it will interrupt both the Preacher's and Ogryn's charges as well as Psyker charging. I think ultimately, FatShark have designed themselves into a corner
I'm just waiting until the game has its second unoffical launch, and then I will buy it. Every month, I'm checking the updates. As long as FatShark doesn't abandon the game, then they have my purchase.
I didn't hate the Beta, sure it had problems but as you've said, the Gameplay loop was a blast and I was confident that Fatshark wouldn't let us down. Seeing, hearing and feeling the universe of 40k was something I've always dreamed of and I was eager to see where the full game would take us. Then the full release came, the only noticeable difference I noticed was the day one cosmetic cash shop that is smack bang in the middle of the Hub area. Thats when I knew what mattered more to Fatshark.
As a man who has put in like 1k hours between Vermintide 1 and Vermintide 2, this is pretty well classic Fatshark. I knew what I was getting into, but I think a lot of people are rightly upset about the state of the launch. Vermintide 1 was a buggy unfinished mess at launch with an absolutely superb foundation. Vermintide 2 reintroduced half the bugs they fixed in VT1 and a whole host of shit was broken and missing. They had to redo crafting in Vermintide 2 because it was originally so terrible. But eventually, they did patch the game into what could be fairly described as the best game of that entire genre. It just took a long time and it would be better for everyone if they just launched a year later -- but that's just not how the industry works anymore, apparently, and they are far too optimistic about what they can accomplish during their initial development cycle. Darktide seems to be following exactly this trajectory. The game absolutely nails so much about the core gameplay loop but it reintroduced a ton of bugs that took them months to years to patch and is frankly lacking a critical mass of content to make it feel fresh every time you fire it up. As a hilarious example, The same stagger-overwrite glitch that was in VT1 was reintroduced in VT2, fixed after like 19 months, and is now back in Darktide lol. I've been playing with that same bug for like 8 years now! It also does feel like it is missing a ton of features and the crafting needs a rework. It's like they just cannot ever learn from their mistakes. All that being said, I don't doubt that it will be an utterly fantastic game in a year's time. Their iterative changes and content additions are almost always positive in the long term and the core of this game is masterful. They just need to do what they always do and fix all the other stuff around the core gameplay loop and add in enough content to make everything have that critical mass of variety a game like this needs. I just wish they could learn from their mistakes, but that apparently just will not ever happen.
I really don't think Darktide nails the core gameplay loop AT ALL though. For a game supposedly intended to give more of a balance between melee and ranged combat, it made melee far easier and less engaging and made ranged combat awkward and frustrating by introducing completely nonsensical animations whenever you pull out your weapon and making every weapon have total dogshit aim (the accuracy across the board is SERIOUSLY awful and makes most guns extremely unenjoyable). The only ranged weapon I actually really liked using was the voidstrike staff, its cannonball-like projectiles are fun, and I hope they come to Sienna with her fourth career. The Ogryn is also truly just fucking annoying in a game about shooting because he gets in the way so much, I get it in principle but it was ABSOLUTELY the wrong move to have an Ogryn in a game like this. If they wanted an abhuman, a ratling would have been better, but I think the desire to have an abhuman for the sake of having it is kind of dumb to begin with given they already have a mutant in the psyker. There's a slew of other issues with combat too, such as the special attacks on many weapons being either pathetically useless or even actively detrimental because they effectively stun you, and all the ults being extremely pathetic even when buffed as much as possible with feats. There's also literally no excuse whatsoever for dodging interrupting stamina regen, that is a truly abysmal choice which makes kiting near-impossible and generally feels extremely shitty to play with. There's also a whole host of issues with Toughness that players identified on day one and have gone unfixed, or even made worse. Toughness bleedthrough is extremely anti-fun on every class but ruins the zealot preacher in particular because it kills your ability to actually play as intended (i.e. stay on low health) because it's far too risky. Toughness from coherency punishes players for the mistakes of other people (the player dying or wandering off is punishment enough - having your own ability to play the game ruined because of other people is NEVER fun) and ruins your ability to solo clutch, especially on psyker which has utterly abysmal toughness regen and severely limits build variety on higher difficulties because you are forced to build solely for toughness. The soul-crushing progression is the main reason I stopped playing, but even ignoring literally everything outside of the moment to moment gameplay, Darktide is so far inferior to Vermintide 2 that I will probably never return to Darktide unless it gets a major overhaul. Vermintide 2 not only does melee combat far better, it does ranged combat far better too, and it flows between melee and ranged much more quickly and naturally, and all the abilities and buffs classes provide you are so much more impactful.
31:05 i don't know if anyone has said this, but the "pick up grimoires" quest is actually "pick up books", both tomes and grimoires counts towards the completion of that quest
Thanks, I remember seeing they said it in the patch notes but thought they didn't do it because they did update that in the contract list. My bad, I will add it to the FAQ.
there is a reason the first and best comment on EVERY single steam post from the devs is "Rock and Stone" because after a few hours, there's no reason not to just jump into Deep Rock and this is coming from a guy with 500 hours, i wanted to believe.. but i'm just waiting till next year
I remember doing the Lights out mode in a mission where you're going through a hub, the amount of daemonhosts increased and the ambiance and all were amazing going through with flashlights and lasguns... The next game mode they left on the mode where it'd spawn double or triple dogs that were buggy af and you couldn't dodge properly and went on holiday for like three weeks.
This has been my sentiment too. I was excited when they released the final part of crafting... and then I tried it and was instantly disappointed. I love the play loop but hate that nothing is attempted to resemble a story. I just keep telling my friends who ask me how I like it... 'don't buy it your better off with vermintide... ya I have 100+hours in it but I'm weird. Wait till it's fixed or under $10" I hate saying it but they are better off waiting
It’s a solid game with some very stupid decisions made around everything that wasn’t the gameplay that just kills long term engagement. After 120 hours I was done with it but went away feeling so much more could have been done you just have to wait until a live service they can’t even tell us the future of delivers on the changes and content the game needs to be engaging in the long term.
Refunded day 1. Played all the PTs, never experienced worse crashes and bugs than day 1 release. They cared more about making microtransactions than the game itself.
This is an excellent review of the launch and state. I was lucky and my computer did not meet the specs, so I wasn’t able to start playing until January.
Another note about the side objective weekly tasks which thankfully have been changed or removed, is that you needed all of the collectibles in that mission or it wouldn't count and not every player wanted to carry them around the whole mission
A really good summary of the technical and DESIGN issues which pushed away so many players from a game which is great coop at its core and has a unique setting. Ironically Fatshark claimed before the release they heard player complains about RNG in Vermintide 2. It just feels like their studio is full of gambling junkies, unable to move on. Fatshark devs should be all set in a room, forced to watch this video,AND acknowledge these are the reasons for the general failure.
The thing is that VT2 still has the random chance drop to get red weapons. I don't like the end game there either. Darktide's current crafting and purchasing system is now better than VT2 IMO.
@mccleod6235 it's almost like Darktide as a direct sequel in the same genre by the same dev should have expected to make improvements on things they explicitly marked as an issue 🤔🤔 Also, red dust, dust conversion, standardized stats, no dogshit blessing system, and no property lock already makes Vermintide 2 much better than Darktide RNG wise. They literally made their game WORSE than the prequel. Although I don't expect a Fatshark nuthugger to appreciate nuance
really good focus on the anti-synergy between contracts and the mission select!!! this was the biggest issue for me above all others. Thankfully patch 4 helped address this a LOT.
Yeah I absolutely get that. Let alone if you join into a fail or get server disconnects. Hopefully it will be in a better state near the end of the year...
Funny how we went from Vermintide where load times were instant in comparison... The online hub was such a bad idea, whoever decided they needed to copy destiny is dumb. That's the whole reason it takes so long just to simply switch characters.
The community itself doesn't know what it wants truth be told. Had a glance at the comms link today. "NEW WEAPONS?! NEW WEAPONS!??!??! HOW DARE YOU!!! FIX THE GAME!!!". Meanwhile on a thread from 2 days ago you got guys whining about there not being enough content and how we need new weapons and maps. So what's wrong with the upcoming update? We've been getting both bug and performance issue fixes, as well as new content (in this case we've seen 2 out of amount of new weapons). What exactly more is there to ask for? MORE new content? MORE bug and performance issue fixes? Like sure, more is better but I don't see a problem with what's being released right now. Every week there's a new performance patch and every month (according to them), there'll be some kind of content drop. I don't really understand the amount of complaining at this point, nor do I understand people who whine when we get either new content, bug fixes or both. I'm not affiliated with Fatshark or anything either before someone decides to call me out, cause in this day and age you can't have a differing opinion on something without being a "shill" or whatever. Virtually all the criticism of the game's state on release was justified. But right now? I don't see the problem, I really don't.
My problems with darktide. Story. The missions do not feel like there is any connective tissue or overarching story. Characters. The classes and story background choices feel generic and quickly run out of new dialog. The lack of named characters prevents the game from generating meaningful character interactions. Rewards. Microtransactions in games, even cosmetics, strip away a reward mechanic of gameplay and move it behind a paywall, hurting the games sense of progression.
I feel like the game could've used a subclass system like V2. Sure you would change your talents based on weapons for some classes, but for the most part some talents felt like they were the only choice from a lack luster column.
At this point I wish they played it the way payday 2 did. A massive sea of missions that pop up and disappear within minutes with the second hand option to play a specific mission for in game currency. And when it comes to weapons they have the entire catalog with scaling prices
There is a German saying my master craftsman used to say that perfectly fits Fatshark: "All the great things you built with your hands, you ended up tearing down with your butt."
The RNG grind in this is enormously depressing, I honestly can't fathom anyone playing it in a worse state than it is now. I'm actually quitting (and I only have 1 level 30 char) and will come back in the Fall and see how it is. It's sad cause like you said the Core Gameplay is very good, it's all the crap surround it is so toxically bad. 😞
what hurts also is that vermintide 2. the pyromancer is the only character without a 4th varient to play as. they were putting out a 4th playable varient for each character about every 3/4 months going down the list...but ever since darktide, they seem to have completely abandoned vermintide 2 it has been i think almost 10 months now since the inquisitor had the battle priest varient character come out. it's such a shame that this has happened and feels like they have abandoned the game and left a full dlc half finished.
While you're not wrong, they've for sure been delaying the class, they did also put out two new maps for V2 since Darktides launch. One of their CMs commented on the matter about 6 months ago, saying they were almost ready to go into the polish phase for the final class. I don't see how they can hold it in the pipeline much longer
The current system works if you're only playing this game at a pace that most people won't be. Couple of hours over the weekend? Pretty much the same issues that the previous one had because most people aren't going to be absolutely rolling in cash/crafting materials to pull that slot machine as often as a streamer or UA-camr are going to be.
Lemme tell ya about Fatshark: So I played Vermintide from day 1 before they added anything to it. Then they got the bright idea of adding the Contracts system to the game. They sent an email message to players requesting their console ID so they could hotfix the game with the Contracts data so we could test it out. Starting up the game with a buddy of mine who also got the hotfix, we were met with the inability to join each others' game, in fact, we couldn't play the game with anyone. Great. So we pressed on and decided to have a look at the Contracts board. Upon interacting with the board, the game would crash to dash. Players went back and forth with Fatshark trying to get them to fix whatever they did and ultimately they had to rescind the hotfix and restore everyone back to the original build. Then came the DLC. They added 3 DLC which introduced a new weapon tied to a specific character, there were achievements and everything for these new weapons. First DLC comes out and when no one can seem to get the new weapon to drop, they complain to Fatshark. Turns out Fatshark forgot to add the weapon to the reward pool. Oopsie! Then comes the second DLC, and wouldn't ya know it, they forgot to add the weapon to the pool - again. So here comes the third DLC. Surely by this point they've learned their lesson and someone ticked the box to add the weapon to the reward pool? Nope, they botched it all 3 times! I dunno what it is about this developer, they make fun games (but let's face it, they're riffing on Left 4 Dead) that they are completely incompetent at maintaining.
This video makes the same point I was making to my buddy week one. It's got some absolutely kick ass and really fun and atmospherically nailed gameplay. The issues are all the things surrounding that. And they're not individually huge things but the number of them is huge and because none of the mechanics exist in a vacuum the problems are cumulative. They compound onto one another because they all interact. One thing is scuffed and that affects the next thing which is also scuffed on its own which builds the ball as it keeps rolling downhill, collecting all the individual screw ups together into a big katamari ball and avalanche of not fuckin' fun to interact with once the new wears off, which jeez if you were playing psyker at launch it wore off fast. Everything kept coming back to "why wouldn't I just play the guardsman? I've already leveled it and he has gear and he works."
After 200 hours and all achievements unlocked I felt like there was nothing left for me in this game. The end game grind wasn't good enough with barely anyone playing damnation. The new updates including the completed omnisire blessing system and the "revamped" crafting just weren't enough. Ah well....back to vermintide 2 as all roads tend to lead 😂
Yes, yes and yes. Also, never buy a game, until you do your due diligence on the company itself. I would have never bought it, if I knew about what they did with their Vermintide games.
I still want darktide to succeed but I feel a serious lack of replayability in comparison to my go to game the last few years in the genre, Deep Rock Galactic, Really feel that classes should have more build variety and I am still hoping for more in map variation and the finished crafting system
Shortcomings aside this game is still really fun. I think almost all of the criticisms are valid from the community but i think they took things a little too far. It's clear FS cares about this game and the players or else they wouldnt be trying so hard to fix and polish things. They fucked up and released a game too early, but at least they are doing something about it instead of just moving onto the next project like most big devs would do these days without a second thought or single apology.
A recent patch (Patch #9) allegedly fixed the penances being too disruptive to other players, some replaced entirely, others tweaked, and some can now only be completed in private games.
Me and my friends played l4d2 religiously then we picked this up and man oh man is it fun, absolutely love the death animations on the enemies, the weapons, and the banter between characters.
With over 400 hours invested in 4 characters I can say that this game has hooked me. This said there are things that can be improved upon to help the game become better and you have identified a number of these. Now that baseline systems are in place you can play with items a bit more easily - there are still parts of this process that need attention though. The recent updates have provided a positive trend when it comes to resolving problems and iterating upon feature sets. I think this game will evolve into the game it needs to be to survive however that will take time. I hope they can balance the iterative process of improvement with adding additional content in a satisfying way.
Daggum, I've been eyeing this game from my grind on Hoxxes. Heard a couple good things from friends, but they moved on or went back to the mines. Thanks to the video, and definitely the comments, I'm just gonna keep Rocking and Stonin spiders.
For me, Darktide really clicked. I keep playing because I'm hopeful the game will get better. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the small community of Damnation players. I take breaks for day at a time and play other games too to keep myself from burning out on Darktide. Darktide is my first 40k anything and my the first FPS I've ever played so I don't know what I'm missing out on in terms of gun crafting and such. It would be nice to put laser sights on a helbore or las pistol just sayin.
It will get better over time just look at Vermintide, not their first Rodeo this game will continue to get patched and stuff added for years to come..I look at their previous games and have confidence that it will turn out well.
Love the Damnation community. Every 1 out of 6 or 7 games has someone who makes a rude comment or generally just whines about someone on their team they don't like, but that's so much lower than every other game I've played when doing difficult content. Mostly just a bunch of people vibing and enjoying 40k.
The fact that the game was missing core mechanics such as the blessing re roll and other crafting related stuff but had a 100% functional and predatory cash shop meant that they didnt care about the game at all imo
I found the biggest problem was that they didn't have enough weapons, most felt the same and you couldn't really add anything new because it would break the lore because using an aliens gun would get you executed. They could still add new weapons from other factions but it will go against lore. The lore of the faction feels like it holds the game back from being able to grow, but I could also be wrong because I don't know all of the lore.
Excellent vid, most comprehensive one I've seen on the subject, needs way more views! Impressive how you managed to pinpoint and explain most of the issues I've had with the game, for example; I never really knew why, but I pretty much only played level 3 missions for some reason, thanks for making it make sense. Also, it was not that I found lvl4-5 too hard(in VT2 I always played on Legendary and, with the right team, sometimes Cata), just didn't feel the need to, since, as you explained, I never gained anything for playing on the harder difficulties. Would've loved to have seen someone hammer a bit _harder_ on there not being sharing between characters, it's my personal pet pewee. Sure, makes sense in a way, initially, since you're a prisoner at the start. But at level 30 you become a part of the warband, perfect opportunity to have item/currency-sharing unlocked between all your other lvl30 characters. I would be fine with it being a bit of a struggle up until lvl30, as a prisoner we need to prove ourselves, makes it a bit of a journey and makes sense thematically.
What I'm hearing from a lot of the player base is 'give me max weapon with little effort'. I'm not saying the rng is fine, it's not, but you need some, otherwise there's no incentive to play or joy in crafting. Look at drg, there's no joy in unlocking each tier of the weapon. Barrels and ledges? Learn the map, be more aware of your surroundings. The learning curve is steep, the game is not for everyone. Also i think a bunch of the issues outlined at the end of the vid are fixed now, thank god
I love the game and still play often. I'm still having fun with what is there but I am hoping for more class archetypes, maps and enemies. I am happy with the changes that have been made since launch. I hope they continue to add to the game
Well done video. After being burned SO many times with games in a crapfest state at launch, I tend to skip initial releases and pick up a few months into the game. I only started DT two months ago and I've had a blast, but I can totally see that I am going to get burned out prior to more significant content. I do recommend the game considering its price vs. game play time you get out of it but just barely. As it stands the game feels like a 6 or 7 out of 10 when it should be a 9. I tend to tell people you will get 50-100 hours of gameplay, but you will most likely drop it around this time as you will go back to COMPLETE games. Just overall DT feels like it needed maybe 6-12 months more development. If they were pressed for cash, they should have released in early access for this time. It's sad how good of a game it is and how bad the experience becomes. I won't even touch on the horrible lack of story content.... that is maybe a 2/10. This is my biggest grip with the game. It's 40K the lore is there why isn't the game.
I pre-ordered the game, and I'm sitting at just over seventy five as of Steam's report overs and have fully leveled up one class, my Zealot. And I am, very, slowly working at leveling my other classes. I love the game play, weapons, maps. characters, design, enemies, and the banter between classes of Darktide. But the grinding feels like it's taking forever to level up. After leveling up my Zealot and grinding for half decent gear, I don't have the drive/will power to do it with the other classes. As I saw in another comment on here, the came is just "cool enough" to get by and get money out of 40k fans. And I remember Fatshark saying back when the game came out that they would be adding the option to play solo/with bots, and I'm still over here waiting for that option. I'll be falling back to Vermintide 2 and DRG to keep my enjoyment.
Awesome you like the 21:9, most comments I got are people disliking it. Which I don't really understand as I check my videos on multiple non 21:9 devices and UA-cam seems to do a good job of displaying them fine. I got an ultra wide 4 or so years ago as I needed it for the day job and still do. Can't go back now! I think this format will only grow, especially with hardware like the Alienware QD oled panels and all the others releasing soon. Really glad you liked the video also!
@@GamingExistence Well i can understand the dislike of people not liking 21:9 videos if they dont have that aspect ratio monitor, cos of the black bars. One of the gripes i have of my ultrawide is of the same reason of "normal" 16:9 videos and the black bars on the sides, but i've gotten used to that. On the topic of darktide, guess its time to hop back in again after a break. I was of the very few that didn't run into many bugs in game or performance issues at the launch.
I still play this game for hours everyday! Which is only really possible because I just started with DT three weeks ago... And unfortunately, I'm already starting to feel the fatigue of a stale endgame creeping in. My character has been max level for a week and a half. There are some cosmetics tied to fairly difficult achievements I could work toward, but they don't actually look good. And while itemization could be a good motivator, the drip feed with which equipment is doled out combined with the extremely low odds of actually getting an impressive roll makes grinding out gear bleak and monotonous. And I'm someone who started playing *after* the huge, long awaited crafting update came in. I really can't imagine being at the endgame for months without the expanded itemization options crafting provides and having still stuck with it. It's no wonder 95% of the playerbase is gone.
And also, true to your point about the solid gameplay, I played a game so tense today that as we slid into the dropship at the end, having over and over barely snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, I was literally shaking.
Thanks. Your psyker feats video has helped me, so I came to watch this. And you say a lot of what I like and I don't like about the game too. This RNG system is the wrong way of player retention. I'd much rather grind longer to collect materials - in a common wallet for all 4 chars - which I can use to craft my ideal weapons, instead of having this lottery. Want better weapons? They're trophies, not lottery wins. Same for not being able to select what map and difficulty I want, or have a lobby where players can actually set up a team and choose their character and gear before starting. So, in a nutshell, more player agency.
Strangely, i didn't see like 90% of this problems for month or something. But i literally coulndt play on open beta and month after release. There were crashers, infinite disconnects, bugs etc etc. But today is all almost ok. Very rarely i disconnect from the match, i can play about 4 hours straight and face no problems.
Its very unfortunate that a game within a genre I want to diversify in (Besides Deep Rock Galactic) was poorly made with a lot of extremely well implemented combat mechanics. What games like DRG would anyone recommend?
@@Em3.14re Vermintide 1 has less features and enemies but the features and enemies it has it did better then Vermintide 2. The atmosphere is darker and spookier and doesn't have that washed out yellow tint. The voice lines of the ratmen are far better and the weapons while fewer are more balanced so each one has a place, well almost each one.
@@Acesahn I think the first game felt too much like left 4 dead whilst 2 was its own thing. Also the combat feels better to me than 1. I felt I could just dodge left and right in the first one and could never get hit. The enemy variety and more sophisticated attack combos and movement mechanics just make the sequal better overall to me. I do miss the atmosphere of the first though.
@@Acesahn I don't agree at all here. Vermintide 2 is a much more polished product that ironed out many of the kinks of an excellent first attempt. What I miss from VT1 are a few of the maps. What I love about DT is that they got the gunplay working. In VT1/2 that always felt a bit wonky to me. Still, if the OP is looking for an alternative to DRG then I would highly recommend VT2 (I would recommend trying DT too, but it does not have the legs of VT2 since the crafting is so botched). If you are really feeling adventurous, then GTFO is also a great co-op shooter but it's a completely different beast to DRG. You may not like it at all even though it is technically a very good game.
The fact that this wasn't just a reskinned v2 killed it for me. Takes too long to level, I have no class variants, I can't farm boxes on my main to get a start on new characters, the crafting is awful and I have no way to target farm anything.
excellent video and it sums everything up so far quite nicely, it's all very sad but true I had been expecting a comms-link today regarding the end of March patch that was purportedly a large patch (content hopefully) and all we get is a couple paragraphs of nothing and pictures of two new weapons (supposedly only 2 of more than 2) and its just more of the same, lack of communication on what's coming. Even if what's coming is weeks away, how about letting on to your customers what to expect, not "you'll find out when you get the full patch notes AFTER it is released"...thanks allot. so okay two new weapons, nice, but a 2 handed force sword that's single target focused (umm the obsurus force sword is already single target focused)....a new type of thunder hammer (great now I got to RNG to get one and then on with it's blessings and so forth); umm excuse me, why not just make changes to the existing thunder hammer than adding a whole new weapon. A "comms-link", just for the sake of saying, "we're communicating" that doesn't actually communicate much more than just being a teaser really is just not going to work anymore. they decimated their player base, get some good response with "blessings of the omnissiah" and now we're back to nothing burgers already.
This is 100% my experience with Dark Tide. So since I never had a complet max team and the performance kills me to often I don't play damnation, but I can agree with everything elese. For me I deleted the game and I may check it out again when a lot of patches have been done, but yeah buying a few hundred guns selling most of them, upgrading the best and noticing non of them could be perfect even with rolling the perks over a hundred times broke me in the end.
nice video, fellow 21:9er :) I don't think anyone has described this game with the good and bad more accurately and honestly. I quit playing back in Janurary and just started up again a week ago after seeing several patches and a very large patch from under two weeks ago and I'm having a much better time. I'm still so frustrated the way this was handled because the majority of that playerbase that we could have had will never return. Many veterans of Vermintide2 warned this was going to happen but many of us chose to believe it would be better this time just to make ourselves feel better. Coasting on that copium
Yeah, this video pretty much sums it up for me exactly. I log in once or twice a week to play with friends who do enjoy it, but yeah.... it's no VT2. With that said, I disliked the loot boxes in VT2 as well and I much prefer the hour shops now that you can buy the base gear. RNG shop or RNG loot box makes no difference to me except now my inventory is not completely filled with vendor trash. .... except with the new system it is as you described in this video. I just cannot understand why anyone thinks the looter shooter gear dump is fun in any game, be it Diablo or Borderlands (both are games that I have enjoyed despite these systems). Going through dozens or even hundreds of items, comparing them, and selling them off through an absolutely useless UI (looking at you Borderlands) just is not fun to me. The ideal system, for me, would be something like they had in Winds of Magic. Earn blessings and perks that can be slottable into a base weapon to upgrade it all the way to max. These blessings can be hard to come by and require a grind (but fun gameplay is not grind to me) but there would be little RNG involved and even if there were you could have a path forward (turning in several weaker blessings for a stronger one for instance). I need something to progress towards in a game (I have found). In VT2 this was all of the weird achievements with beating missions in challenging ways. I would love to see that make a comeback here. I don't hate the penances as much as some do.... I really think they are fine... but there are far too few of them. As for more levels.... yes and no.... you can have any number of levels and they'll get old fast. The reason that VT2 still works for me is that the missions are varied enough despite the levels being the same. Mission variety helps though, and in DT everything looks more or less the same (Throneside, Desert, or.... other underground stuff). The gameplay loop still holds though. New levels are on the far bottom of my list that I would like to see fixed. Give me new classes before new levels. Anyway, good video.
I had your Psyker's experience on my Veteran, my first character. I didn't get a power sword until 2 levels before max, and I didn't get a bolter until the mission I hit max level. Luckily, that bolter was a god roll that made the long slog worth it, and I actually really like the feel of difficulty III so getting stuck there with the lasguns and chainsword I had wasn't a problem. The performance issues people had were very surprising. My PC is pretty much the bare minimum, and the game works great. You can tell it could be prettier, but it's fine. It's like they spent all their optimization time on the bottom end (which I personally appreciated) and assumed that effort would help the higher end more. Usually it does, so I'm not sure what happened here, but the high end machine people have barely a better experience than I do.
Most people complaining about performance had ray tracing or other demanding graphics settings without DLSS or beefy systems. Shame they just aren’t educated enough to set the settings properly
I've spent more times bantering with shills on the Discussion section of the game on Steam than playing it at this point. It played out like a typical besieged Imperium of Man world, doomed to fall to the growing tides of Chaos that bear down on upon them and seeing the light die in so many eyes as so many ardent defenders slowly stopped popping into threads to defend this hot, steamy, mess. But that was months ago. Still more fun than I had with the game.
I quit playing when I realized it's just grind for grinding sake. The gameplay never changes, it's the same battle over and over. The characters, weapons, enemies and environment get repetitive very quickly when you realize you're just going to repeat the same battles forever
God bless all the insane people willing to put up with the bugs and systems. With you guys propping up the game, hopefully I can play and enjoy it in a finished state in the future.
I am sure FS would love to deliver the 100 % stuff, but they are developer surely pushed by publisher who wanted the game out before xmass. As you said, gameplaywise, its amazing even woth its quirky mechanics, maybe it was decision that game would last longer die longer grinding, who knows... I wish the game the best tho, because it can become really awesome stuff as V2 has happen.
Everyone thinks the Ogryn is so cool but when your favorite character is the sharpshooter and you have 3 meat shields it turns into melee only real quick.
this is something that i've noticed a lot of people keep on saying about Darktide: "It's nothing like Vermintide." And I'm just sitting here listening and thinking "Yeah, because it's not Vermintide...Question Mark?" I understand that both games are made by the same developer, but you can't expect every game made by a studio/developer to have the same exact gameplay. Now, I'm not entirely sure if it's just me, but I honestly never really gave those little sub stats on items much thought. I just try to see what types of wargear have higher ratings and I equip them and use them at my leisure. I know that this makes me sound like a casual shitter that only cares about playing the game, but that's because I am. I dont care if i have an optimally built item, I just take advantage of various mechanics in the game to make up for some shortcomings of the gear i bring. But, to each their own, I still love Darktide. I love the atmosphere, the gameplay, the progression, and everything about it. That's my "hot take" on this game
It's nothing like Vermintide, because Vermintide has quality classes, a story, it runs great and without many bugs or crashes, it's balance is almost great (if you exclude the whole elf-thing), even it's hub is better.
Gamepass has allowed me to enjoy the game for 200+ hours while being to empathize with those who bought it. Thankfully when it came to crashing just lowering my worker threads to less then half my physical cores solved it for me.
Also important to mention if story is your thing, even though the game was advertised as having story by Dan Abnett who I'm sure a lot of 40k fan recognize the name off, the game has next to no story in it. If you look around youtube I'm sure you can find the roughly 5 minutes cutscenes that is everything you get for the entire game. The characters themselves are also a big step down from Vermintide 2 feeling soulless and hollow, endlessly repeating the same canned responses over and over. During character creation you choose a basic background that will never be brought up in game unless you happen to choose Cadia as your homeworld. So if good writing and lore is a big thing for you, theres very little of it here.
I think I played a few Hi Intensity Damnation Matches with you a few days ago! Can’t remember what class I was playing but I definitely remember your Psyker!
What a great summary. I still enjoy darktide, though am definitely disappointed. Unfortunately I have low confidence that Fat shark will continue to put appropriate effort into the game.
This is FatShark we're talking about here. They had a game about killing Skaven and didn't add a Lizardman character, who literally worship a God of killing Skaven.
The power sword only has 2 charged hits for heavy and light attacks. The 3rd hit, even tho visibly still charged, doesnt do bonus damage or stagger. I found that out in the meat grinder on release day. Probably hasn't even been patched yet since its not mentioned here lol. After finding this out, the weapon became more tedious and less satisfying having 1 less hit and having to pause during combat to activate its charge alot more often during combat.
18:40 basically the crux of everything wrong with gaming. You're not playing a game, you're working to earn the privilege to play the game. You can't invite friends into this game like you can into L4D. They're starting from 0, you're starting at max level, they can't try out the build you've already min maxed which they would find fun, because they haven't "earned" the right (or lucked out the drops) for it. Any adult with a full time job, some other responsibilities and a lack of addiction to w40k, means that this game is a huge waste of time.
I cant fucking believe almost 4 months later they still have the silent hits in the back bug. That bug existed back in VT2 as well, and is probably one of the most the frustrating things in the game.
To be fair that clip was from months 1/2. I just threw it in there as an annoying thing that can happen. You get that sharp about to get attacked noise now. But where I play purg psyker a lot I have a low chance for it to happen. Not sure if people are still facing that issue. My bad, little confusing lumping that clip in there.
The really weird thing is how the game looks when it asks for so much performances, it kinda made me think that devs just don't care at all and did the game with spaghetti codes, kinda confirmed with the numbers of bugs.
Spaghetti code isn't the result of devs that don't care. It's the result of devs that were rushed. Any dev can write lots of code and get many things done in a short time, but doing that adds a LOT of tech debt.
@@NicholasW943 Yeah obviously, but it's pretty weird to be in a rush when it's the only one game you're making, so the project started way too late or release way too soon (same result). And it's always based on what the managers are asking to devs
Me and a buddy really wanted to enjoy this game at launch. I started as Cadian Vet because RIP Cadia, friend went as big boi Oggy named 'poot poot'. We were willing to give the server issues some time to be fixed, but the main thing that eroded our initial enjoyment of the game was that as we started to scale up in levels and difficulties it never really felt like anything we did was worth our investment of time. There was a literal moment during a mission where our figuratively smiles and enjoyment of the game faded and near the end of the mission all we felt was immense disappointment. This was after 30 or so hours of just essentially do the same shit over and over, no radical changes, that is none that were properly integrated and not rife with bugs or in glitched mechanical states. -Completely horrendous performance. I was a foolish man who decided to get a 4090 and is what I currently use. When you can't even achieve a stable 60fps framerate in this busted game with a 40-freaking-90 you know there are severe mistakes or oversights in software optimization for this claptrap. -Missions had poor RNG and never gave satisfactory drops or resources. -OG Grimoires and Scriptures were separate missions, and the number required to complete a mission had to have been conceived by a total smoothbrain. Like seriously, collect 15-20 grims just to complete a mission? -Several missions were literally impossible to complete due to the manner in which specialists spawned, and so you ended up starting a mission just to make it about 5-10 minutes into it, die and get tossed back to hub...and then server crash probably happened at some point, like it always did. Meanwhile enjoying the absurdly slow load times. -FS damn near went radio silent post-launch and shit hit the fan. I guess they thought that if they just shoved their head in the sand the issues would resolve themselves. - Perfectly working, no bugs or issues detected cosmetic shop that "just worked". Huh, okay so bullshit-ass premium cosmetics to make yourself look cooler in the hellishly busted missions or constantly crashing server hub is more important that balance & stability. If anyone is thinking that things have gotten that much better 1 month after the posting of this video, FS released yet more "community updates" where they attempted to tease another map drop. One. One new map. And it's not that "new". It's literally retreading old ground from a previous base-game map. To what extent I can't say definitively, but judging from other players past experiences and gripes, it'll probably be a "backwards traversed" map, that is a slightly tweaked map with maybe one or two minor branch-offs from the original that you traverse backwards in comparison. This is the level of effort exhibited by these charlatans. Please just go play Verm2, DoW1, Mechanicus, and other WHF/40k games that don't suck. ... Or go Rock & Stone.
at it's core the reason people left is simple. There's not enough content. Once you get your gear and penances complete, what is there left to do? I got all 4 characters max level, got between 490-500ilvl on each of them, and completed the penances. What is there left for me to do? What goal is there to chase? There's no secret challenge boss, no competitive mode, no additional story, no season pass to complete, no achievements to chase, no more character progression. Nothing.
Thanks for watching. The description has a FAQ that I will add more to it as things pop up. Hope you enjoyed the video!
*Looks at 609.9 hours playtime, looks at the Steam reviews, looks at the playerbase numers, breaths in...In the German psyker voice*:
"I sense rage, fear and foreshortened lifespans."
The second question in the FAQ, to be completely frank, isn't your job. That always irks me about that response. We're supposed to be the customer base, not the developers.
Nice explanation of the pro and cons. I agree with you. The Core Gameplay saves the game. I personally love the gameplay so much. But yea the toxic aspects slowly can grind you down.
At the end of the day, this game needs a soft relaunch if it is to have any hope of rebuilding its lost playerbase. That's not going to be easy. Just fixing it wont bring people back, it needs a new enemy faction, an actually compelling story, and a ton of new content, but even that might not be enough. It might be worth going for a hail mary PvPvE mode at this point.
I think the game abuses too much from weak but massive hordes. This is the primary reason why guns are inferior to melee. Guns normally can only hit one or two dudes at a time so facing hordes with it is generally ineficient in comparison with melee that can bring down entire hordes with a couple slashes.i think the game need less of those enemies and more decent enemies that can be a threat individually. When player faces fewer but strongest enemies that can take quite a few melee hits and can dish large ammount of damage is when guns become way more useful allowing player to bring down those fewer but dangerous enemies from safety.
Maps should be a bit more opened and offer different routes to reach one same place as well as allowing for flanking maneuvers. For that same porpuse ranged enemies should be way more prominent than they are now, the game should play way more with the ranged skirmishes, cover and tactical flanqing to create way more variety of situations instead of just the big horde of enemies that players mob down in melee time after time. It does get tired really fast.
These are my impressions and sorry the wall of text. Best of luck!
With Fatshark handling the game they really lived up to that one 40k quote of "Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned".
Wow that's just an amazing quote. Truth is timeless it doesn't end like a trend
Honestly how did they make V2 then do this so poorly? I know V2 took time to balance out, but you think they would have learned from that and done DT right at the jump.
@@FelixGaunt Let's not forget winds of magic and the bestiality boys with the broken minotaur and overpowered bannerspam.
@@FelixGaunt "you think they would have learned from that" is a major thing a lot of people seem to forget. I've heard a lot of "just wait for it to get good, VT2 took a while to become polished" but like... they've already been through that, they should have already learnt from it, we shouldn't be making excuses for a game studio doing this AGAIN. Comparing VT2 on launch to Darktide on launch is absolutely the wrong comparison to make, it is completely fair to compare Darktide now to VT2 now. If you can't at least match a previous game your company made, develop it more and wait until you are able to match it. From the first moments of the closed beta test we knew this game needed to be delayed, but Fatshark had to get that tencent money
Yup. Took me five hours to play what the game had to offer, and realize they were doing something 'brand new' with stats and gear and classes and... well, they fucked it up again. Same thing happened VT1 to VT2, somehow Fatshark took all the lessons on crafting and tossed them all into the shredder in an effort to make a pointless and difficult grind for miniscule stat boosts. And Darktide is just straight up more of the same mistakes, but even bigger problems with fiddly diddly bullshit stats and a completely opaque item power system.
It's a very bad show of character when you have a fully functioning cash shop in your game, before your game is even working properly. That part really stung harshly for me when I played it for the 1st month
It was absolutely mind-bogglingly insane how violently some fans defended it, too.
That was actually what stopped me from buying it after they did some updates
@@revolrz22 they’re warhammer fans, they’re used to paying 200$+ for a board game piece. Some pieces are over a grand.
First 10 hours of gameplay were amazing. The atmosphere, the lore, the visceral action. Then I went back to DRG
Facts. The coolness is surface level. The game is simply just "good enough" to milk as much money for as little effort as possible.
Bro same 💀💀💀
Same here, Rock and Stone.
rock and stone
rock and stone brother!
I felt it was a real red flag seeing how little extra content there was compared to beta on release. If they keep making lvls and explore the lore they could keep going planet after planet but looking at vermintide and what they have said about DT I'm not very hopeful.
Yep, the content release is moving slower than the usual Fatshark pace we saw with Vermintide(Which was already slow). So I don't expect this game to get the promised new class every 3 months, or a new map often.
Even though the whole reason they decided to recycle so many assets between maps, was so they could release new maps more often than they did with Vermintide...
@@SuperCatacata sad man, their sitting on a gold mine. Could be the perfect way to break 40k to mainstream audiences. It's a great game mechanically, just lacking in content. Played the beta's so much when I played the full game there was nothing really new and my heart sank. I wish they had taken more time.
@@johndillinger5142 My guess, and it is only a guess, is that they had to release due to fiscal reasons.
@@goffe2282 Most likely. I would assume the people in the Dev team who poured time and effort into the game won the arguments for the initial delays. But eventually the money people got involved and saw Christmas sales combined with a fiscal landmark looming and forced the decision to release it. Is my guess.
@@GamingExistence yeh it's strange how the money men seem to keep undervaluing how catastrophic a bad launch can be, realeassing a unfinished game and treating paying customers like play testers. we see this time and time again In this current climate. I hope fatshark can pull it out of the bag. Because they have a talented bunch and I prefer this 40k lore a million times more than vermintide.
Fun fact, I am a console peasant. They had originally promised a simultaneous release of both PC and consoles with cross play. I haven't even got to experience the problems you mentioned because I haven't got the game yet. It's been 4 months since launch, with nothing. They didn't even bother to tell anyone the console release was indefinitely delayed until 2 months after it should have released. Failure to communicate is a major problem. It sucks, because I love Vermintide 2.
Same I bought 6 months of gamepass for Darktide and Starfield, I kinda feel ripped off lol.
Yeah same
I preordered it and still wondering when news will come for console
Indefinitely delayed? Wtf, I still have it pre-ordered and I haven't heard anything.
@@tonypepperoni3679 STOP PREORDERING GAMES
When I first started playing Darktide, I noticed pretty quickly that the microtransaction store was strategically placed so that you always run past it on the way to the mission hub. I refunded before hitting the two hour mark, then went and bought Deep Rock Galactic. Been happily rocking and stoning ever since.
They moved that store to the other side of the hub in the recent patch.
If ya don't rock and stone you ain't coming home
And your mind was too weak to ignore it or something? I barely noticed it.
Also not sure why people keep mentioning DRG, these games work differently, the only similarity is having hordes.
Rock and Stone, Brother!
@@blackjacka.5097 There aint shit in that game, yall got maybe 3 maps and they aint commin out with more for awhile
One big problem with the bots i dont see a lot of people talking about is that they always spawn as a marksman, i get why we wouldnt get psycher npcs but i mean an AI ogryn and zealot could make a big difference for when you have to rely on the bots
Why wouldn't we get pysker bots? We get sienna bots in vt2, so I don't see how hard it would be to make 4 set bots that can spawn in with x weapon x melee and x feats
@@GriffyWdaGrippy Or just make the bots spawn from Host's Character pool. If Host Does not have more then 1 or so slots then it fills from a random Character from the other players.
If your playing Solo and and No bots then It will generate a random bot That matches level with you.
@@BlueBD There is no "Host", its server based.
@@KageRyuu6 there is always a "host" even if said host doesn't have much impact there is always the one person that acts as the main server focus
To add insult on this one, VT2 not only allowed you to have any of the class bots, the bots had the gear the Host has for that class. I understand there is no Host in dedicated servers, but there are multiple solutions for this. They had a great, working system in VT2 and developed selective amnesia, just like a lot of Darktide systems.
An anecdote on the occasional unfair losses, I had an entire team wipe from a standard bearer beastman's knockback pushing everyone off a staircase that was over a cliff in Vermintide 2. It was unavoidable and I had to take a break after that incident.
My main reason for not playing the game, is the lack of Solo/private team runs. Sometimes playing with strangers is just not interesting.
I knew this game was in a poor state but I didn’t know it was THAT bad.
Great gameplay loop can’t excuse poor design choices and stupid dev “engagement” strategies…
Title of the video should be “I played 200hrs of Darktide so you don’t have to”.
Great video.
I've got about 250 hours in the game. Taking a break until they add more content and do something about no mission select and allow us to reroll stats.
Its honestly not all that bad tbh.
There is a lot of fun to be had. Just a lot of rough edges that will impact the tolerance level differently per user.
But that's not it though. The gameplay really is stellar and I highly recommend that you try this game... except I would maybe wait a bit. My steam review is still negative even though the game has gotten better. The crafting system is just completely borked. The gameplay loop is still enjoyable, but I understand if you are wary.
@@WintersFinalstand i got almos 3oo hours out of it b4 i hit my limit so who am i to say you can't have fun at it what broke me was the blessing system its pure shit.
Some of the problems you mentioned with this game are issues that are still in Vermintide 2 till this day like disconnecting from a game, enemies spawing right in front of you, enemies being completely silent, and somehow not being able to pull yourself up from a ledge. It's crazy how Fatshark already had the blueprint to make a good game but somehow still managed to mess it up.
No real surprise. Fat Shark is content to keep it lean, surviving while making Games Workshops happy. Skin the core game, add the shop, and then watch sales to decide how much more to bother with. It's been this way since 2015 and VT1. I don't think anyone should expect it to change.
In my experiences i have a better time with VT2 enemy attack from behind audio cue compare to DT which is barely audiable especially in the mist of combat.
@@jamest3002 my thoughts exactly. I'm a veteran of Vermintide 1 and Vermintide 2 and although i'm a big fan of 40k, I knew that this shitshow was going to happen and didn't bother to buy it. As long people preorder and keep defending the release of a broken game with a braindead design, they will keep doing it. Just wait and see how Vermintide 3 will show us a sick trailer, some fake developers interviews saying that they learned from their mistakes and it will be the same shitshow again and people will be surprise
Man, it is super weird that a game can make me keep playing it while also telling people they shouldn't buy it.
I'm surprised you didn't mention how frustrating Brain Burst was - and still is to some extent after a slight improvement.
This is an excellent, comprehensive video. One of the things that aren't mentioned is how annoying the micro-stuns are. On Damnation difficulty, ranged units can take away your toughness very quickly and every hit after that will cause micro-stuns. This silly mechanic is one of my most unsatisfying things I've experienced in a game, it will interrupt both the Preacher's and Ogryn's charges as well as Psyker charging.
I think ultimately, FatShark have designed themselves into a corner
I'm just waiting until the game has its second unoffical launch, and then I will buy it.
Every month, I'm checking the updates. As long as FatShark doesn't abandon the game, then they have my purchase.
I didn't hate the Beta, sure it had problems but as you've said, the Gameplay loop was a blast and I was confident that Fatshark wouldn't let us down. Seeing, hearing and feeling the universe of 40k was something I've always dreamed of and I was eager to see where the full game would take us.
Then the full release came, the only noticeable difference I noticed was the day one cosmetic cash shop that is smack bang in the middle of the Hub area.
Thats when I knew what mattered more to Fatshark.
As a man who has put in like 1k hours between Vermintide 1 and Vermintide 2, this is pretty well classic Fatshark. I knew what I was getting into, but I think a lot of people are rightly upset about the state of the launch. Vermintide 1 was a buggy unfinished mess at launch with an absolutely superb foundation. Vermintide 2 reintroduced half the bugs they fixed in VT1 and a whole host of shit was broken and missing. They had to redo crafting in Vermintide 2 because it was originally so terrible. But eventually, they did patch the game into what could be fairly described as the best game of that entire genre. It just took a long time and it would be better for everyone if they just launched a year later -- but that's just not how the industry works anymore, apparently, and they are far too optimistic about what they can accomplish during their initial development cycle.
Darktide seems to be following exactly this trajectory. The game absolutely nails so much about the core gameplay loop but it reintroduced a ton of bugs that took them months to years to patch and is frankly lacking a critical mass of content to make it feel fresh every time you fire it up. As a hilarious example, The same stagger-overwrite glitch that was in VT1 was reintroduced in VT2, fixed after like 19 months, and is now back in Darktide lol. I've been playing with that same bug for like 8 years now! It also does feel like it is missing a ton of features and the crafting needs a rework. It's like they just cannot ever learn from their mistakes.
All that being said, I don't doubt that it will be an utterly fantastic game in a year's time. Their iterative changes and content additions are almost always positive in the long term and the core of this game is masterful. They just need to do what they always do and fix all the other stuff around the core gameplay loop and add in enough content to make everything have that critical mass of variety a game like this needs. I just wish they could learn from their mistakes, but that apparently just will not ever happen.
I really don't think Darktide nails the core gameplay loop AT ALL though. For a game supposedly intended to give more of a balance between melee and ranged combat, it made melee far easier and less engaging and made ranged combat awkward and frustrating by introducing completely nonsensical animations whenever you pull out your weapon and making every weapon have total dogshit aim (the accuracy across the board is SERIOUSLY awful and makes most guns extremely unenjoyable). The only ranged weapon I actually really liked using was the voidstrike staff, its cannonball-like projectiles are fun, and I hope they come to Sienna with her fourth career.
The Ogryn is also truly just fucking annoying in a game about shooting because he gets in the way so much, I get it in principle but it was ABSOLUTELY the wrong move to have an Ogryn in a game like this. If they wanted an abhuman, a ratling would have been better, but I think the desire to have an abhuman for the sake of having it is kind of dumb to begin with given they already have a mutant in the psyker.
There's a slew of other issues with combat too, such as the special attacks on many weapons being either pathetically useless or even actively detrimental because they effectively stun you, and all the ults being extremely pathetic even when buffed as much as possible with feats. There's also literally no excuse whatsoever for dodging interrupting stamina regen, that is a truly abysmal choice which makes kiting near-impossible and generally feels extremely shitty to play with.
There's also a whole host of issues with Toughness that players identified on day one and have gone unfixed, or even made worse. Toughness bleedthrough is extremely anti-fun on every class but ruins the zealot preacher in particular because it kills your ability to actually play as intended (i.e. stay on low health) because it's far too risky. Toughness from coherency punishes players for the mistakes of other people (the player dying or wandering off is punishment enough - having your own ability to play the game ruined because of other people is NEVER fun) and ruins your ability to solo clutch, especially on psyker which has utterly abysmal toughness regen and severely limits build variety on higher difficulties because you are forced to build solely for toughness.
The soul-crushing progression is the main reason I stopped playing, but even ignoring literally everything outside of the moment to moment gameplay, Darktide is so far inferior to Vermintide 2 that I will probably never return to Darktide unless it gets a major overhaul. Vermintide 2 not only does melee combat far better, it does ranged combat far better too, and it flows between melee and ranged much more quickly and naturally, and all the abilities and buffs classes provide you are so much more impactful.
31:05 i don't know if anyone has said this, but the "pick up grimoires" quest is actually "pick up books", both tomes and grimoires counts towards the completion of that quest
Thanks, I remember seeing they said it in the patch notes but thought they didn't do it because they did update that in the contract list. My bad, I will add it to the FAQ.
They have one for grims one for tomes and one for books. Grims don’t add to tomes and vice versa
there is a reason the first and best comment on EVERY single steam post from the devs is "Rock and Stone"
because after a few hours, there's no reason not to just jump into Deep Rock
and this is coming from a guy with 500 hours, i wanted to believe.. but i'm just waiting till next year
I remember doing the Lights out mode in a mission where you're going through a hub, the amount of daemonhosts increased and the ambiance and all were amazing going through with flashlights and lasguns... The next game mode they left on the mode where it'd spawn double or triple dogs that were buggy af and you couldn't dodge properly and went on holiday for like three weeks.
This has been my sentiment too. I was excited when they released the final part of crafting... and then I tried it and was instantly disappointed. I love the play loop but hate that nothing is attempted to resemble a story. I just keep telling my friends who ask me how I like it... 'don't buy it your better off with vermintide... ya I have 100+hours in it but I'm weird. Wait till it's fixed or under $10" I hate saying it but they are better off waiting
It’s a solid game with some very stupid decisions made around everything that wasn’t the gameplay that just kills long term engagement.
After 120 hours I was done with it but went away feeling so much more could have been done you just have to wait until a live service they can’t even tell us the future of delivers on the changes and content the game needs to be engaging in the long term.
Refunded day 1. Played all the PTs, never experienced worse crashes and bugs than day 1 release. They cared more about making microtransactions than the game itself.
This is an excellent review of the launch and state. I was lucky and my computer did not meet the specs, so I wasn’t able to start playing until January.
Another note about the side objective weekly tasks which thankfully have been changed or removed, is that you needed all of the collectibles in that mission or it wouldn't count and not every player wanted to carry them around the whole mission
A really good summary of the technical and DESIGN issues which pushed away so many players from a game which is great coop at its core and has a unique setting. Ironically Fatshark claimed before the release they heard player complains about RNG in Vermintide 2. It just feels like their studio is full of gambling junkies, unable to move on. Fatshark devs should be all set in a room, forced to watch this video,AND acknowledge these are the reasons for the general failure.
The thing is that VT2 still has the random chance drop to get red weapons. I don't like the end game there either. Darktide's current crafting and purchasing system is now better than VT2 IMO.
@@mccleod6235 I never said otherwise.
@@definitelynotadam Indeed, and yet VT2 is still very popular, and the reviews are not full of angry people denouncing the RNG weapon drops.
@mccleod6235 it's almost like Darktide as a direct sequel in the same genre by the same dev should have expected to make improvements on things they explicitly marked as an issue 🤔🤔
Also, red dust, dust conversion, standardized stats, no dogshit blessing system, and no property lock already makes Vermintide 2 much better than Darktide RNG wise. They literally made their game WORSE than the prequel.
Although I don't expect a Fatshark nuthugger to appreciate nuance
@@longschlongjohnson6470 Athanor, nuff said imo. best crafting system they ever did.
really good focus on the anti-synergy between contracts and the mission select!!! this was the biggest issue for me above all others. Thankfully patch 4 helped address this a LOT.
Those load times are what made me not play in a loong time since i only had 1 hour to play a day and it felt like i was taking 30 minutes just waiting
Yeah I absolutely get that. Let alone if you join into a fail or get server disconnects. Hopefully it will be in a better state near the end of the year...
Funny how we went from Vermintide where load times were instant in comparison... The online hub was such a bad idea, whoever decided they needed to copy destiny is dumb. That's the whole reason it takes so long just to simply switch characters.
The community itself doesn't know what it wants truth be told. Had a glance at the comms link today. "NEW WEAPONS?! NEW WEAPONS!??!??! HOW DARE YOU!!! FIX THE GAME!!!". Meanwhile on a thread from 2 days ago you got guys whining about there not being enough content and how we need new weapons and maps. So what's wrong with the upcoming update? We've been getting both bug and performance issue fixes, as well as new content (in this case we've seen 2 out of amount of new weapons). What exactly more is there to ask for?
MORE new content? MORE bug and performance issue fixes? Like sure, more is better but I don't see a problem with what's being released right now. Every week there's a new performance patch and every month (according to them), there'll be some kind of content drop. I don't really understand the amount of complaining at this point, nor do I understand people who whine when we get either new content, bug fixes or both. I'm not affiliated with Fatshark or anything either before someone decides to call me out, cause in this day and age you can't have a differing opinion on something without being a "shill" or whatever. Virtually all the criticism of the game's state on release was justified. But right now? I don't see the problem, I really don't.
New weapons means little when the vanilla campaign was complete garbage and the maps to use the said weapons are so limited.
My problems with darktide. Story. The missions do not feel like there is any connective tissue or overarching story. Characters. The classes and story background choices feel generic and quickly run out of new dialog. The lack of named characters prevents the game from generating meaningful character interactions. Rewards. Microtransactions in games, even cosmetics, strip away a reward mechanic of gameplay and move it behind a paywall, hurting the games sense of progression.
they should've just kept the vermintide squad mechanic that we had, it was way more fun hearing characters banter, instead of one-dimensional clones.
@@theravenousrabbit3671 yea this game just do everything worse that came before.
I feel like the game could've used a subclass system like V2. Sure you would change your talents based on weapons for some classes, but for the most part some talents felt like they were the only choice from a lack luster column.
At this point I wish they played it the way payday 2 did. A massive sea of missions that pop up and disappear within minutes with the second hand option to play a specific mission for in game currency. And when it comes to weapons they have the entire catalog with scaling prices
There is a German saying my master craftsman used to say that perfectly fits Fatshark:
"All the great things you built with your hands, you ended up tearing down with your butt."
The RNG grind in this is enormously depressing, I honestly can't fathom anyone playing it in a worse state than it is now. I'm actually quitting (and I only have 1 level 30 char) and will come back in the Fall and see how it is. It's sad cause like you said the Core Gameplay is very good, it's all the crap surround it is so toxically bad. 😞
I feel this was a good video which summed up my thoughts on the matter well, thanks for making it and putting it out there
what hurts also is that vermintide 2. the pyromancer is the only character without a 4th varient to play as. they were putting out a 4th playable varient for each character about every 3/4 months going down the list...but ever since darktide, they seem to have completely abandoned vermintide 2 it has been i think almost 10 months now since the inquisitor had the battle priest varient character come out. it's such a shame that this has happened and feels like they have abandoned the game and left a full dlc half finished.
VT2 has gotten two new maps in the last three months what are you on about
While you're not wrong, they've for sure been delaying the class, they did also put out two new maps for V2 since Darktides launch. One of their CMs commented on the matter about 6 months ago, saying they were almost ready to go into the polish phase for the final class. I don't see how they can hold it in the pipeline much longer
The current system works if you're only playing this game at a pace that most people won't be. Couple of hours over the weekend? Pretty much the same issues that the previous one had because most people aren't going to be absolutely rolling in cash/crafting materials to pull that slot machine as often as a streamer or UA-camr are going to be.
Lemme tell ya about Fatshark:
So I played Vermintide from day 1 before they added anything to it. Then they got the bright idea of adding the Contracts system to the game. They sent an email message to players requesting their console ID so they could hotfix the game with the Contracts data so we could test it out. Starting up the game with a buddy of mine who also got the hotfix, we were met with the inability to join each others' game, in fact, we couldn't play the game with anyone. Great. So we pressed on and decided to have a look at the Contracts board. Upon interacting with the board, the game would crash to dash.
Players went back and forth with Fatshark trying to get them to fix whatever they did and ultimately they had to rescind the hotfix and restore everyone back to the original build.
Then came the DLC. They added 3 DLC which introduced a new weapon tied to a specific character, there were achievements and everything for these new weapons. First DLC comes out and when no one can seem to get the new weapon to drop, they complain to Fatshark. Turns out Fatshark forgot to add the weapon to the reward pool. Oopsie! Then comes the second DLC, and wouldn't ya know it, they forgot to add the weapon to the pool - again. So here comes the third DLC. Surely by this point they've learned their lesson and someone ticked the box to add the weapon to the reward pool? Nope, they botched it all 3 times!
I dunno what it is about this developer, they make fun games (but let's face it, they're riffing on Left 4 Dead) that they are completely incompetent at maintaining.
6:28 onwards was brutal, the mutant had your number 😂
This video makes the same point I was making to my buddy week one. It's got some absolutely kick ass and really fun and atmospherically nailed gameplay. The issues are all the things surrounding that. And they're not individually huge things but the number of them is huge and because none of the mechanics exist in a vacuum the problems are cumulative. They compound onto one another because they all interact. One thing is scuffed and that affects the next thing which is also scuffed on its own which builds the ball as it keeps rolling downhill, collecting all the individual screw ups together into a big katamari ball and avalanche of not fuckin' fun to interact with once the new wears off, which jeez if you were playing psyker at launch it wore off fast. Everything kept coming back to "why wouldn't I just play the guardsman? I've already leveled it and he has gear and he works."
After 200 hours and all achievements unlocked I felt like there was nothing left for me in this game. The end game grind wasn't good enough with barely anyone playing damnation. The new updates including the completed omnisire blessing system and the "revamped" crafting just weren't enough. Ah well....back to vermintide 2 as all roads tend to lead 😂
Never preorder, never buy day 1, and never purchase microtransactions.
Yes, yes and yes. Also, never buy a game, until you do your due diligence on the company itself. I would have never bought it, if I knew about what they did with their Vermintide games.
I would really like to see one of the leads of DT's development watch this and give a response to each part.
I still want darktide to succeed but I feel a serious lack of replayability in comparison to my go to game the last few years in the genre, Deep Rock Galactic,
Really feel that classes should have more build variety and I am still hoping for more in map variation and the finished crafting system
Shortcomings aside this game is still really fun. I think almost all of the criticisms are valid from the community but i think they took things a little too far. It's clear FS cares about this game and the players or else they wouldnt be trying so hard to fix and polish things. They fucked up and released a game too early, but at least they are doing something about it instead of just moving onto the next project like most big devs would do these days without a second thought or single apology.
A recent patch (Patch #9) allegedly fixed the penances being too disruptive to other players, some replaced entirely, others tweaked, and some can now only be completed in private games.
And let us not forget the elephant in the room, Tencent, Fat Shart's current owner.
Me and my friends played l4d2 religiously then we picked this up and man oh man is it fun, absolutely love the death animations on the enemies, the weapons, and the banter between characters.
With over 400 hours invested in 4 characters I can say that this game has hooked me. This said there are things that can be improved upon to help the game become better and you have identified a number of these. Now that baseline systems are in place you can play with items a bit more easily - there are still parts of this process that need attention though. The recent updates have provided a positive trend when it comes to resolving problems and iterating upon feature sets. I think this game will evolve into the game it needs to be to survive however that will take time. I hope they can balance the iterative process of improvement with adding additional content in a satisfying way.
i feel sorry for you
“Invested” lmao
Great video! Had all of the information I was looking for but not sure if the changes are enough for me to go back yet
Daggum, I've been eyeing this game from my grind on Hoxxes. Heard a couple good things from friends, but they moved on or went back to the mines. Thanks to the video, and definitely the comments, I'm just gonna keep Rocking and Stonin spiders.
Great video, helped me made my choice since the game is on sale on Steam right now. I will wait a bit.
I really hope to do a video on how it's all fixed and that it's a great game! Hopefully before the end of year but I won't hold my breath.
>2 pip perk on the item
>"The Machine God is most generous."
The Darktide experience.
For me, Darktide really clicked. I keep playing because I'm hopeful the game will get better. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the small community of Damnation players.
I take breaks for day at a time and play other games too to keep myself from burning out on Darktide.
Darktide is my first 40k anything and my the first FPS I've ever played so I don't know what I'm missing out on in terms of gun crafting and such. It would be nice to put laser sights on a helbore or las pistol just sayin.
Agreed. They need to add sight variations to all weapons urgently.
Hope to see you in a damnation run.
It will get better over time just look at Vermintide, not their first Rodeo this game will continue to get patched and stuff added for years to come..I look at their previous games and have confidence that it will turn out well.
Love the Damnation community. Every 1 out of 6 or 7 games has someone who makes a rude comment or generally just whines about someone on their team they don't like, but that's so much lower than every other game I've played when doing difficult content. Mostly just a bunch of people vibing and enjoying 40k.
The fact that the game was missing core mechanics such as the blessing re roll and other crafting related stuff but had a 100% functional and predatory cash shop meant that they didnt care about the game at all imo
I leveled all characters to 30 before February. I didn't feel it was too terrible, but I agree it wasn't fun with the rng on weapons.
I found the biggest problem was that they didn't have enough weapons, most felt the same and you couldn't really add anything new because it would break the lore because using an aliens gun would get you executed. They could still add new weapons from other factions but it will go against lore.
The lore of the faction feels like it holds the game back from being able to grow, but I could also be wrong because I don't know all of the lore.
They already break lore. Boltors being holy weapons in the hands of a penal squad?
Absolute heresy. But fun.
This could work if they ever introduce Ordo Xenos missions
Excellent vid, most comprehensive one I've seen on the subject, needs way more views!
Impressive how you managed to pinpoint and explain most of the issues I've had with the game, for example; I never really knew why, but I pretty much only played level 3 missions for some reason, thanks for making it make sense. Also, it was not that I found lvl4-5 too hard(in VT2 I always played on Legendary and, with the right team, sometimes Cata), just didn't feel the need to, since, as you explained, I never gained anything for playing on the harder difficulties.
Would've loved to have seen someone hammer a bit _harder_ on there not being sharing between characters, it's my personal pet pewee.
Sure, makes sense in a way, initially, since you're a prisoner at the start. But at level 30 you become a part of the warband, perfect opportunity to have item/currency-sharing unlocked between all your other lvl30 characters. I would be fine with it being a bit of a struggle up until lvl30, as a prisoner we need to prove ourselves, makes it a bit of a journey and makes sense thematically.
What I'm hearing from a lot of the player base is 'give me max weapon with little effort'. I'm not saying the rng is fine, it's not, but you need some, otherwise there's no incentive to play or joy in crafting. Look at drg, there's no joy in unlocking each tier of the weapon.
Barrels and ledges? Learn the map, be more aware of your surroundings. The learning curve is steep, the game is not for everyone.
Also i think a bunch of the issues outlined at the end of the vid are fixed now, thank god
I love the game and still play often. I'm still having fun with what is there but I am hoping for more class archetypes, maps and enemies. I am happy with the changes that have been made since launch. I hope they continue to add to the game
Well done video. After being burned SO many times with games in a crapfest state at launch, I tend to skip initial releases and pick up a few months into the game. I only started DT two months ago and I've had a blast, but I can totally see that I am going to get burned out prior to more significant content. I do recommend the game considering its price vs. game play time you get out of it but just barely. As it stands the game feels like a 6 or 7 out of 10 when it should be a 9. I tend to tell people you will get 50-100 hours of gameplay, but you will most likely drop it around this time as you will go back to COMPLETE games. Just overall DT feels like it needed maybe 6-12 months more development. If they were pressed for cash, they should have released in early access for this time. It's sad how good of a game it is and how bad the experience becomes. I won't even touch on the horrible lack of story content.... that is maybe a 2/10. This is my biggest grip with the game. It's 40K the lore is there why isn't the game.
I pre-ordered the game, and I'm sitting at just over seventy five as of Steam's report overs and have fully leveled up one class, my Zealot. And I am, very, slowly working at leveling my other classes. I love the game play, weapons, maps. characters, design, enemies, and the banter between classes of Darktide. But the grinding feels like it's taking forever to level up. After leveling up my Zealot and grinding for half decent gear, I don't have the drive/will power to do it with the other classes. As I saw in another comment on here, the came is just "cool enough" to get by and get money out of 40k fans. And I remember Fatshark saying back when the game came out that they would be adding the option to play solo/with bots, and I'm still over here waiting for that option. I'll be falling back to Vermintide 2 and DRG to keep my enjoyment.
The mutant loop... Getting tossed between two mutants with no cooldown or opportunity to break out.
Thumbs up for a fellow 21:9 user, very rare to find videos in this format. Also a great video!
Awesome you like the 21:9, most comments I got are people disliking it. Which I don't really understand as I check my videos on multiple non 21:9 devices and UA-cam seems to do a good job of displaying them fine.
I got an ultra wide 4 or so years ago as I needed it for the day job and still do. Can't go back now! I think this format will only grow, especially with hardware like the Alienware QD oled panels and all the others releasing soon.
Really glad you liked the video also!
@@GamingExistence Well i can understand the dislike of people not liking 21:9 videos if they dont have that aspect ratio monitor, cos of the black bars. One of the gripes i have of my ultrawide is of the same reason of "normal" 16:9 videos and the black bars on the sides, but i've gotten used to that.
On the topic of darktide, guess its time to hop back in again after a break. I was of the very few that didn't run into many bugs in game or performance issues at the launch.
I still play this game for hours everyday! Which is only really possible because I just started with DT three weeks ago... And unfortunately, I'm already starting to feel the fatigue of a stale endgame creeping in. My character has been max level for a week and a half. There are some cosmetics tied to fairly difficult achievements I could work toward, but they don't actually look good. And while itemization could be a good motivator, the drip feed with which equipment is doled out combined with the extremely low odds of actually getting an impressive roll makes grinding out gear bleak and monotonous.
And I'm someone who started playing *after* the huge, long awaited crafting update came in. I really can't imagine being at the endgame for months without the expanded itemization options crafting provides and having still stuck with it. It's no wonder 95% of the playerbase is gone.
And also, true to your point about the solid gameplay, I played a game so tense today that as we slid into the dropship at the end, having over and over barely snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, I was literally shaking.
copium huffer. I feel sorry for you. Your precious game is dead
Good:
- core gameplay
Bad:
- everything else
Thanks. Your psyker feats video has helped me, so I came to watch this. And you say a lot of what I like and I don't like about the game too.
This RNG system is the wrong way of player retention. I'd much rather grind longer to collect materials - in a common wallet for all 4 chars - which I can use to craft my ideal weapons, instead of having this lottery. Want better weapons? They're trophies, not lottery wins.
Same for not being able to select what map and difficulty I want, or have a lobby where players can actually set up a team and choose their character and gear before starting.
So, in a nutshell, more player agency.
Strangely, i didn't see like 90% of this problems for month or something. But i literally coulndt play on open beta and month after release. There were crashers, infinite disconnects, bugs etc etc. But today is all almost ok. Very rarely i disconnect from the match, i can play about 4 hours straight and face no problems.
Its very unfortunate that a game within a genre I want to diversify in (Besides Deep Rock Galactic) was poorly made with a lot of extremely well implemented combat mechanics. What games like DRG would anyone recommend?
Fatshark's other Warhammer games are Vermintide and Vermintide 2. I can't speak to the first game, but Vermintide 2 is excellent.
@@Em3.14re Vermintide 1 has less features and enemies but the features and enemies it has it did better then Vermintide 2. The atmosphere is darker and spookier and doesn't have that washed out yellow tint. The voice lines of the ratmen are far better and the weapons while fewer are more balanced so each one has a place, well almost each one.
@@Acesahn I think the first game felt too much like left 4 dead whilst 2 was its own thing. Also the combat feels better to me than 1. I felt I could just dodge left and right in the first one and could never get hit. The enemy variety and more sophisticated attack combos and movement mechanics just make the sequal better overall to me. I do miss the atmosphere of the first though.
It has issues, but DT is anything but poorly made tbh. it needs tweaks. But no where near a bad game.
@@Acesahn I don't agree at all here. Vermintide 2 is a much more polished product that ironed out many of the kinks of an excellent first attempt. What I miss from VT1 are a few of the maps.
What I love about DT is that they got the gunplay working. In VT1/2 that always felt a bit wonky to me. Still, if the OP is looking for an alternative to DRG then I would highly recommend VT2 (I would recommend trying DT too, but it does not have the legs of VT2 since the crafting is so botched).
If you are really feeling adventurous, then GTFO is also a great co-op shooter but it's a completely different beast to DRG. You may not like it at all even though it is technically a very good game.
The fact that this wasn't just a reskinned v2 killed it for me. Takes too long to level, I have no class variants, I can't farm boxes on my main to get a start on new characters, the crafting is awful and I have no way to target farm anything.
excellent video and it sums everything up so far quite nicely, it's all very sad but true
I had been expecting a comms-link today regarding the end of March patch that was purportedly a large patch (content hopefully) and all we get is a couple paragraphs of nothing and pictures of two new weapons (supposedly only 2 of more than 2) and its just more of the same, lack of communication on what's coming. Even if what's coming is weeks away, how about letting on to your customers what to expect, not "you'll find out when you get the full patch notes AFTER it is released"...thanks allot.
so okay two new weapons, nice, but a 2 handed force sword that's single target focused (umm the obsurus force sword is already single target focused)....a new type of thunder hammer (great now I got to RNG to get one and then on with it's blessings and so forth); umm excuse me, why not just make changes to the existing thunder hammer than adding a whole new weapon.
A "comms-link", just for the sake of saying, "we're communicating" that doesn't actually communicate much more than just being a teaser really is just not going to work anymore.
they decimated their player base, get some good response with "blessings of the omnissiah" and now we're back to nothing burgers already.
This is 100% my experience with Dark Tide. So since I never had a complet max team and the performance kills me to often I don't play damnation, but I can agree with everything elese.
For me I deleted the game and I may check it out again when a lot of patches have been done, but yeah buying a few hundred guns selling most of them, upgrading the best and noticing non of them could be perfect even with rolling the perks over a hundred times broke me in the end.
nice video, fellow 21:9er :)
I don't think anyone has described this game with the good and bad more accurately and honestly.
I quit playing back in Janurary and just started up again a week ago after seeing several patches and a very large patch from under two weeks ago and I'm having a much better time. I'm still so frustrated the way this was handled because the majority of that playerbase that we could have had will never return. Many veterans of Vermintide2 warned this was going to happen but many of us chose to believe it would be better this time just to make ourselves feel better. Coasting on that copium
Yeah, this video pretty much sums it up for me exactly. I log in once or twice a week to play with friends who do enjoy it, but yeah.... it's no VT2.
With that said, I disliked the loot boxes in VT2 as well and I much prefer the hour shops now that you can buy the base gear. RNG shop or RNG loot box makes no difference to me except now my inventory is not completely filled with vendor trash.
.... except with the new system it is as you described in this video.
I just cannot understand why anyone thinks the looter shooter gear dump is fun in any game, be it Diablo or Borderlands (both are games that I have enjoyed despite these systems). Going through dozens or even hundreds of items, comparing them, and selling them off through an absolutely useless UI (looking at you Borderlands) just is not fun to me.
The ideal system, for me, would be something like they had in Winds of Magic. Earn blessings and perks that can be slottable into a base weapon to upgrade it all the way to max. These blessings can be hard to come by and require a grind (but fun gameplay is not grind to me) but there would be little RNG involved and even if there were you could have a path forward (turning in several weaker blessings for a stronger one for instance).
I need something to progress towards in a game (I have found). In VT2 this was all of the weird achievements with beating missions in challenging ways. I would love to see that make a comeback here. I don't hate the penances as much as some do.... I really think they are fine... but there are far too few of them.
As for more levels.... yes and no.... you can have any number of levels and they'll get old fast. The reason that VT2 still works for me is that the missions are varied enough despite the levels being the same. Mission variety helps though, and in DT everything looks more or less the same (Throneside, Desert, or.... other underground stuff). The gameplay loop still holds though. New levels are on the far bottom of my list that I would like to see fixed. Give me new classes before new levels.
Anyway, good video.
I had your Psyker's experience on my Veteran, my first character. I didn't get a power sword until 2 levels before max, and I didn't get a bolter until the mission I hit max level. Luckily, that bolter was a god roll that made the long slog worth it, and I actually really like the feel of difficulty III so getting stuck there with the lasguns and chainsword I had wasn't a problem.
The performance issues people had were very surprising. My PC is pretty much the bare minimum, and the game works great. You can tell it could be prettier, but it's fine. It's like they spent all their optimization time on the bottom end (which I personally appreciated) and assumed that effort would help the higher end more. Usually it does, so I'm not sure what happened here, but the high end machine people have barely a better experience than I do.
Most people complaining about performance had ray tracing or other demanding graphics settings without DLSS or beefy systems. Shame they just aren’t educated enough to set the settings properly
I've spent more times bantering with shills on the Discussion section of the game on Steam than playing it at this point. It played out like a typical besieged Imperium of Man world, doomed to fall to the growing tides of Chaos that bear down on upon them and seeing the light die in so many eyes as so many ardent defenders slowly stopped popping into threads to defend this hot, steamy, mess.
But that was months ago. Still more fun than I had with the game.
I quit playing when I realized it's just grind for grinding sake. The gameplay never changes, it's the same battle over and over. The characters, weapons, enemies and environment get repetitive very quickly when you realize you're just going to repeat the same battles forever
God bless all the insane people willing to put up with the bugs and systems.
With you guys propping up the game, hopefully I can play and enjoy it in a finished state in the future.
26:30 In the grim darkness of the future, there is no OSHA, only open floors.
i literally can't stop playing it, I wanna serve the Emperor again and again.
reducing worker thread reduced crashing
I am sure FS would love to deliver the 100 % stuff, but they are developer surely pushed by publisher who wanted the game out before xmass. As you said, gameplaywise, its amazing even woth its quirky mechanics, maybe it was decision that game would last longer die longer grinding, who knows...
I wish the game the best tho, because it can become really awesome stuff as V2 has happen.
Everyone thinks the Ogryn is so cool but when your favorite character is the sharpshooter and you have 3 meat shields it turns into melee only real quick.
this is something that i've noticed a lot of people keep on saying about Darktide: "It's nothing like Vermintide." And I'm just sitting here listening and thinking "Yeah, because it's not Vermintide...Question Mark?" I understand that both games are made by the same developer, but you can't expect every game made by a studio/developer to have the same exact gameplay. Now, I'm not entirely sure if it's just me, but I honestly never really gave those little sub stats on items much thought. I just try to see what types of wargear have higher ratings and I equip them and use them at my leisure. I know that this makes me sound like a casual shitter that only cares about playing the game, but that's because I am. I dont care if i have an optimally built item, I just take advantage of various mechanics in the game to make up for some shortcomings of the gear i bring. But, to each their own, I still love Darktide. I love the atmosphere, the gameplay, the progression, and everything about it. That's my "hot take" on this game
It's nothing like Vermintide, because Vermintide has quality classes, a story, it runs great and without many bugs or crashes, it's balance is almost great (if you exclude the whole elf-thing), even it's hub is better.
Had 2 or 3 Weeks of fun with the game, but my friends have moved on and I'd rather check out the Vermintide 2 update than spend more time on Darktide
Gamepass has allowed me to enjoy the game for 200+ hours while being to empathize with those who bought it. Thankfully when it came to crashing just lowering my worker threads to less then half my physical cores solved it for me.
Also important to mention if story is your thing, even though the game was advertised as having story by Dan Abnett who I'm sure a lot of 40k fan recognize the name off, the game has next to no story in it.
If you look around youtube I'm sure you can find the roughly 5 minutes cutscenes that is everything you get for the entire game.
The characters themselves are also a big step down from Vermintide 2 feeling soulless and hollow, endlessly repeating the same canned responses over and over.
During character creation you choose a basic background that will never be brought up in game unless you happen to choose Cadia as your homeworld.
So if good writing and lore is a big thing for you, theres very little of it here.
I think I played a few Hi Intensity Damnation Matches with you a few days ago! Can’t remember what class I was playing but I definitely remember your Psyker!
Ah awesome! I hope we won!
@@GamingExistence we did actually! Every game I played with you :)
What a great summary.
I still enjoy darktide, though am definitely disappointed. Unfortunately I have low confidence that Fat shark will continue to put appropriate effort into the game.
This is FatShark we're talking about here. They had a game about killing Skaven and didn't add a Lizardman character, who literally worship a God of killing Skaven.
The power sword only has 2 charged hits for heavy and light attacks. The 3rd hit, even tho visibly still charged, doesnt do bonus damage or stagger. I found that out in the meat grinder on release day. Probably hasn't even been patched yet since its not mentioned here lol. After finding this out, the weapon became more tedious and less satisfying having 1 less hit and having to pause during combat to activate its charge alot more often during combat.
Tencent owns all Fatshark stocks, no wonder it went to hell.
18:40 basically the crux of everything wrong with gaming. You're not playing a game, you're working to earn the privilege to play the game.
You can't invite friends into this game like you can into L4D. They're starting from 0, you're starting at max level, they can't try out the build you've already min maxed which they would find fun, because they haven't "earned" the right (or lucked out the drops) for it.
Any adult with a full time job, some other responsibilities and a lack of addiction to w40k, means that this game is a huge waste of time.
I can only imagine that fatshark is gonna improve it, and if not it's a good kickback and relax hordeslaying experience.
I cant fucking believe almost 4 months later they still have the silent hits in the back bug. That bug existed back in VT2 as well, and is probably one of the most the frustrating things in the game.
To be fair that clip was from months 1/2. I just threw it in there as an annoying thing that can happen. You get that sharp about to get attacked noise now.
But where I play purg psyker a lot I have a low chance for it to happen. Not sure if people are still facing that issue. My bad, little confusing lumping that clip in there.
I hope so much they turn this game around at some point. Its moment to moment gameplay is just so fun.
The really weird thing is how the game looks when it asks for so much performances, it kinda made me think that devs just don't care at all and did the game with spaghetti codes, kinda confirmed with the numbers of bugs.
Spaghetti code isn't the result of devs that don't care. It's the result of devs that were rushed. Any dev can write lots of code and get many things done in a short time, but doing that adds a LOT of tech debt.
@@NicholasW943 Yeah obviously, but it's pretty weird to be in a rush when it's the only one game you're making, so the project started way too late or release way too soon (same result). And it's always based on what the managers are asking to devs
Me and a buddy really wanted to enjoy this game at launch. I started as Cadian Vet because RIP Cadia, friend went as big boi Oggy named 'poot poot'. We were willing to give the server issues some time to be fixed, but the main thing that eroded our initial enjoyment of the game was that as we started to scale up in levels and difficulties it never really felt like anything we did was worth our investment of time. There was a literal moment during a mission where our figuratively smiles and enjoyment of the game faded and near the end of the mission all we felt was immense disappointment. This was after 30 or so hours of just essentially do the same shit over and over, no radical changes, that is none that were properly integrated and not rife with bugs or in glitched mechanical states.
-Completely horrendous performance. I was a foolish man who decided to get a 4090 and is what I currently use. When you can't even achieve a stable 60fps framerate in this busted game with a 40-freaking-90 you know there are severe mistakes or oversights in software optimization for this claptrap.
-Missions had poor RNG and never gave satisfactory drops or resources.
-OG Grimoires and Scriptures were separate missions, and the number required to complete a mission had to have been conceived by a total smoothbrain. Like seriously, collect 15-20 grims just to complete a mission?
-Several missions were literally impossible to complete due to the manner in which specialists spawned, and so you ended up starting a mission just to make it about 5-10 minutes into it, die and get tossed back to hub...and then server crash probably happened at some point, like it always did. Meanwhile enjoying the absurdly slow load times.
-FS damn near went radio silent post-launch and shit hit the fan. I guess they thought that if they just shoved their head in the sand the issues would resolve themselves.
- Perfectly working, no bugs or issues detected cosmetic shop that "just worked". Huh, okay so bullshit-ass premium cosmetics to make yourself look cooler in the hellishly busted missions or constantly crashing server hub is more important that balance & stability.
If anyone is thinking that things have gotten that much better 1 month after the posting of this video, FS released yet more "community updates" where they attempted to tease another map drop. One. One new map. And it's not that "new". It's literally retreading old ground from a previous base-game map. To what extent I can't say definitively, but judging from other players past experiences and gripes, it'll probably be a "backwards traversed" map, that is a slightly tweaked map with maybe one or two minor branch-offs from the original that you traverse backwards in comparison. This is the level of effort exhibited by these charlatans. Please just go play Verm2, DoW1, Mechanicus, and other WHF/40k games that don't suck.
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Or go Rock & Stone.
Great video man, I was considering buying Darktide but your video convinced me otherwise!
Hopefully maybe at the end of the year cross fingers 🤞 it will be updated and worth getting.
at it's core the reason people left is simple. There's not enough content. Once you get your gear and penances complete, what is there left to do? I got all 4 characters max level, got between 490-500ilvl on each of them, and completed the penances. What is there left for me to do? What goal is there to chase? There's no secret challenge boss, no competitive mode, no additional story, no season pass to complete, no achievements to chase, no more character progression. Nothing.
I didn't even know that the blessing part is already fixed. But I doubt that will get my friends back into the game.