I'm a bit confused. Maybe I'm missing something here. David Bercot states that at the beginning Pharoah hardens his own heart, and God hardens his heart later on, but what I'm reading is that God hardened his heart at first. And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said. Exodus 7:13 KJV
@Samual Leforte I checked with David, and he was able to check into this for a quick reply. He couldn't remember what he said in the message on this point, but he looked at his notes, and found that he hadn't intended to say the text says that Pharaoh first hardened his heart. I looked at the video, and it turns out he did say that, so that must have been a misstatement on his part. Here's what David intended to convey (partly in my words, since he sent me this in a voice message): Pharaoh already had a wicked heart, and God didn't give that to him. He foretold that he'd harden his heart, but didn't say at what point. It's not like Pharaoh was a godly person or ready to repent, like the King of Nineveh. Pharaoh's answer to Moses' request to go into the wilderness to pray was not just "no," but to increase the Israelites' work. That shows that he was already a harsh person. The question is if Pharaoh would have said yes if God hadn't hardened his heart, and the text doesn't say that. Thanks for pointing out this blooper! And thanks for the insight into the Hebrew text; I'll have to remember that. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel Thank you and David for taking the time to respond. It makes way more sense to me now. David has truly been such a blessing in my life. More people need to see his teachings, and thats why im recommending his videos to as many people as i can. I'm learning so much of the truth that so many teachers and pastors have tried sweeping under the rug or twisting away. I thank God I came across this channel 🙏 ❤️
Exodus 7:13 would be better translated as this. וַיֶּחֱזַק֙ לֵ֣ב פַּרְעֹ֔ה וְלֹ֥א שָׁמַ֖ע אֲלֵהֶ֑ם כַּאֲשֶׁ֖ר דִּבֶּ֥ר יְהוָֽה And Pharaoh strengthened his heart and did not listened to the Word of Yahweh (the Lord). The LXX says Exodus 7:13 13καὶ κατίσχυσεν ἡ καρδία Φαραώ, καὶ οὐκ εἰσήκουσεν αὐτῶν, καθάπερ ἐνετείλατο αὐτοῖς Κύριος. And Pharaoh strengthened his heart and did not listened to them as the Lord had commanded. However Exodus 7:3 ἐγὼ δὲ σκληρυνῶ τὴν καρδίαν Φαραώ, καὶ πληθυνῶ τὰ σημεῖά μου καὶ τὰ τέρατα ἐν γῇ Αἰγύπτῳ. I will harden the heart of Pharaoh and multiply my signs and wonders in the land of Egypt. *The Hebrew reads the same in vs 3.
I find Bercot's explanation of Romans 9 to be a confusing mess, no offence to him, I think he means well but he is simply not believing what the text says in plain language. Yes, God elects some for salvation and lets others perish in their sins, and there is zero unfairness about this because sinners are fully responsible for their sins and God is righteous in saving whomever He wishes on the basis of Christ's sacrifice for the sins of His elect. God does not owe anybody anything, we are all guilty sinners, God does not even owe anyone the chance to even hear the gospel, in fact many people throughout history have died without ever hearing the gospel the last 2000 years.....are you going to call God unfair they never heard the gospel and never had a chance? This is absurd to say the least, God owes nobody the hearing of the gospel nor salvation, it is MERCY, mercy is an unmerited thing and He has mercy on whomever He wishes to have mercy, nobody is entitled to mercy. The Romans text is plain language, God's election stands, human will is an afterthought when it comes to salvation, yes you hear the gospel and must believe it, but the very reason you believe the gospel is because God elected you to believe it before the world began. That is not coercing your will, that is the mystery of divine election despite your will. Acts 13:48 "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed."
@@christianmama2441 sounds like you think Christ death paid God to forgive our sin debt or something. Correct me if I am wrong. Jesus gaveup (sacrificed) his human body for its blood to use in the propitiation cleansing process on the mercy seat. Unless our conscience is cleansed of the guilt from our forgiven sins the Holy Spirit cannot enter His temple and we won't be able to stop the reoccurring sin thus not enter heaven. Do you think God required a payment to forgive your sin debt.?
@@brothernick7221 God required a payment for my sins, Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death;...." Jesus paid the penalty for our sins, even death on the cross, Isaiah 53: 5 "But He was pierced for our offenses, He was crushed for our wrongdoings; The punishment for our well-being was laid upon Him,..." Please note Isaiah calls what happened on the cross "PUNISHMENT" clearly the innocent Christ was punished with death for us the guilty sinners, for our sins that we may escape the wrath of God.
2 Timothy 2 👉21 Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.👈 22 Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 1 John 3 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 👉3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
Cain was told by God, “why has your countenance fallen? don’t you know that if you do well that you’ll be accepted?” But then God decreed he go kill his brother? And other perfect examples are what Joseph’s brothers meant for evil, God meant for good, and there was restoration in the family. Likewise, Esau and Jacob restored their relationship, as well. God blessed Esau’s family, too. What then? Esau was hated and despised, yet blessed and full of forgiveness? Something is off.
Through the Calvinist view, one can easily blame God for everything. However, if this was so, we need to ask ourselves, why did the Lord Jesus Christ tell His followers: “If any man will come after me” (Mat 16:24)? "If" implies the freedom of choice which is given to every individual by God Himself. Therefore this shows that man is not a mere subject, but instead the object of God's love which derives from the freedom.
Let me remind you that there are people all over the globe that are born and never hear the gospel of Christ. So your theory of free will here is highly problematic, God never even gave a chance to many to even hear the gospel, are you going to tell me God is unfair in not allowing people to hear the gospel in their lifetime? Look, the calvinistic view is the following: Adam and Eve plunged the entire human race into sin, we are born enslaved to sinful desires, dead spiritually, unworthy of God's love, but God in His mercy sent His Son Jesus Christ to rescue SOME out of the pool of sinners to be with Him in all eternity. God does not owe anyone any love or mercy, the very fact some are saved is pure grace and mercy, not something that is owed to any human. Humans are fully responsible for their sins, unless Jesus Christ shows them mercy and has atoned for their sins. SO, both human responsability for sin is affirmed in calvinism, and also the mercy and grace of God to save whomever He wishes is also affirmed. The Bible teaches both these things and although they have a paradox, we must believe by faith what Scriptures says and quit trying to use logic to even begin to understand the mind of God when it comes to divine election.
@christianmama God will judge according to what they know and not what they knew not. They will be judged by the law of conscience. Some of them know that stealing is bad, it they go against their conscience and do it, they will have to give an account for it.
@@egosum7 Exactly, they will be judged and declared guilty, without even hearing the gospel ever, it only further prooves the calvinistic understanding of Scripture. God owes NO ONE salvation, nor even the chance to hear the gospel, we are all sinners and guilty before a Holy God. The only exceptions would be babies and people with severe cognitive handicaps, who die before they can do good or evil, these God in His mercy saves in His mercy based on Christ's sacrifice on the cross, independent of their will, God has mercy on whomever He wants to have mercy and owes nobody any mercy.
@christianmama Look at how God separates the sheep from the goats. What was their guilt exactly? Their bad theology? Or was it the fact that they were not in the likeness of Christ in character and in deed? Were they not chosen to begin with? Or did their choices lead them to a dead end?
@@egosum7 You can only choose what's in your heart. If you are born with a heart corrupted by sin, so will every choice you make be corrupted. People are not born with an equal inclination to do the good and the evil, but are born ENSLAVED to the sinful desires of their corrupted heart (this is the devastating effect of being born in Adam, we are corrupted by sin from birth). If we truly were born with equal power to do the good and the evil, then you should see some people walking around who chose to NEVER sin and therefore they could keep the commandments and go to heaven without Jesus, but you don't see anything like that, in fact the Bible says there are none righteous, not even one, only Jesus is sinless and that's why He came to rescue us from this complete slavery to sin that we are born into . Jesus told us that apart from Him we can do nothing good (John 15:5), that means everything the unbeliever does is not acceptable to God, even though they may appear good to humanity. Example: someone feeds a hungry person and gives themselves praise instead of praising God for this deed, that's a form of self idolatry and it is sin against God.
Again, thanks again for your hard work and diligent work to rightly divide the word of truth more perfectly then the three great super religions of Christendom, called Catholicism orthodox ism, and finally Protestantism. What happened to good old fashion CHRISTianity?! They replace CHRISTianity with CHURCHianity. Just like the Jews had the oral tradition just like the Catholics believe in scripture and tradition most organized religions, and Christianity intermix human tradition with godly utterances. It is time to remove the leaven of human tradition and stop being bipolar and simply just except the divine utterances, only found in the word of God Genesis to Revelation.
wjcharliee As much as we would like to see a pure visible church here on earth, Jesus makes it clear that's not going to happen, He will sort everything out when He comes back. Having said that, yes we should strive for as pure a church as possible, but with Jesus' parable in mind, Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
If Calvinism were TRUE then Romans 9:16 would not use the word MERCY for describing what God does, because arbitrary condemnation is UNmerciful. Just judgment and justice requires "judgment according to one's deeds" as the Bible foretells will happen in the end... mercy in between for us to turn... anyone to have past washed away, this is grace, and make a new start. Then just judgment in the end based on this new start. That is both just, equal opportunity and merciful both.
You assume God owes anyone mercy, this is a mistake. The Bible makes it clear we are all guilty before a Holy God, He owes nobody any salvation, salvation is pure mercy to unworthy sinners. When you view it this way, no longer would it bother you that God is somehow unfair to only save some and not all, to only allow some people to hear the gospel and others die never having a chance to hear it. All are worthy of eternal hell, but God has mercy and saves some out of the pool of sinners (we all are sinners).
@@christianmama2441 I guess you are addressing me and my words. If you read what I wrote, I agree with you... the first part you said about God owing no one mercy. I just expressed it differently. The latter part where you seem to be okay, hard hearted, about God showing YOU mercy but not others, is sick and cold. The bible does not teach that. Study your bible not the words of your false pastor. Repent of this evil. Everyone gets a chance if they seek God, he will send the message to them. We all deserve punishment as I was saying. This is called JUST JUDGMENT which the NT says Jesus will to everyone in the end. To be merciful to Christian sinners and not other sinners is showing partiality, which Romans 2:11 says God does not do. It is through changed behavior to the one that really believes Jesus and his apostles, his actions obey what they say, or he or she is just deceiving themselves. For God to wipe away all of our past sins, and give us a new start truly is grace.
@@betawithbrett7068 So God showing mercy to some undeserving sinners and not others is unjust? But didn't we establish the only just thing is to send us all to eternal flames, that none are deserving of even a chance of salvation? I don't follow your argument at all. Where is the unfair part that He saves some unworthy sinners and leaves other unworthy sinners to perish? Where do you get this idea God gives equal opportunity for salvation to all humans? What about those in the jungles who never even heard of Christ and live and die without the gospel? Did they have an equal chance to even hear the gospel as you did? The answer is of course they didn't have an equal chance to hear the gospel, it is obvious fact of history. Let me leave you with John the Baptist's election to be a servant of God even from his mother's womb, Luke 1:15 "for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb." You mean to tell me God looked down the corridors of time to see if John would believe on Jesus ? Can God learn anything by looking down the corridors of time and decide what to do based on human will? This is absurd heresy to think in this way. The text is clear, John the Baptist was filled with the Spirit even from his mother's womb, clear divine election, nothing to do with John's will while he was in the womb.
@@christianmama2441 unjust means you are not doing what is right and not being fair. If you have children, and you give some dessert daily after meals but not the others, not because they did not clean their room or did something bad, but just because. Would that be unjust? Would that be ok? If you think that is ok, then you will never understand why showing favoritism to some over others for nothing they did is wrong and not what the NT is saying about God. God being merciful IF the repent, turn from their evil, since God hates evil, and his son wipes out all of their past sin record, not because they deserved it but because God did not want to destroy them but always just wants people to stop doing evil and do good. Jesus said in John 5:28 Do not be amazed at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those WHO HAVE DONE GOOD to the resurrection of life, and those WHO HAVE DONE EVIL to the resurrection of condemnation. Paul said in Romans 2:6 God will pay back to each one according to his works: 7 to those who by patience in doing good work who seek for glory and honor and immortality, God will give eternal life; 8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11 For God shows no partiality (no favoritism).
@@christianmama2441 you asked "Where do you get this idea God gives equal opportunity for salvation to all humans?" Here is a few CLEAR passages that don't mince words of this fact. Peter is speaking to Cornelius, the first Gentile not having to become a Jew first to become a Christian in Acts 10:34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone whoever fears God and does what is right is acceptable to God." Peter speaks again in 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all would repent.
Why wouldn't they be allowed to ask questions? A man is answering/having spiritual authority, so I would think the womem would be allowed to ask questions. Some women who are wives may ask their husbands first, and the husband, if he does not have a good response, may ask the pastor. I don't recall scripture condemning women for seeking the truth publicly. Do you have something to suggest this, or was your comment reflecting a perspective that only men seem to be asking questions?
God gave the authority to man for his wife. Gen 3. God gave no other man authority. The scripture of man teaching his wife and the command that she only seeks learning from her husband is one of essential for unity within a home. A woman seeking the thoughts and opinions of men other than her husband on such spiritual matters could be considered the same as spiritual adultry and destructive to the holy union of marriage.
@@1Whipperin well seeing that Paul spent so much time trying to teach God's laws, methods and culture to the gentile Greeks ignorant of even how a seder meal of remembrance works or its purpose and about God's marriage laws and a wife's covering of her beauty (glory) and why and about the fallen angels and how to accomidate the approx 40 different languages in Corinth as a major trade zone etc. We have no further to look than the everyday on the street practice and beliefs of the Jews. There is documented observation of why God's chosen wore head and face covering. That defines what Paul was teaching. God bless you
In the Kingdom of heaven God forgives our sin debt strictly out of mercy, compassion and grace at the moment of acceptable self death and commitment to stop sin and turn from your world. (repentance) Matt 18. If God wants to show mercy and compassion (forgiving sin debt at repentance) for the Gentiles just as He always did for the Jew then He can. Adding the gentile to the day of reconciliation (At-One-ment) made the Jews jealous.
God forgives sins on a righteous basis, the very sacrifice of Jesus Christ for those sins that are being forgiven. If Jesus did not die on the cross for those sins, they could of never been forgiven by God, because God is just and righteous and needs a just basis for forgiveness. This is called penal substitutionary death on the cross, Christ died in the place of the sinner, for the sinner's sins, taking the penalty for their very sins. The question is, do you believe Jesus died for YOUR personal sins on that cross, then rose from the grave the third day, and on that basis you are forgiven of your sins? or Jesus died for the sins of others but not yours? Answer that for yourself. Isaiah 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
@@christianmama2441 I agree with the brother above. Jesus says God forgives sin debt freely out of compassion for anyone who is willing to surrender everything and repent. Always did and always will. Christ death had nothing to do with forgiveness. That was out of grace /compassion. Christ death as a human, in part was for the blood that can cleanse completely the conscience (temple) of the forgiven sinner setting him free from the sin to live a righteous and Holy life for salvation.
@@brothernick7221 1Peter2:24 "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." 1John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins:..." Hebrews 9:22 - And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:" Ephesians 1:7 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" The forgiveness of God can only come by the sacrifice of Jesus, a sacrifice made once for all on behalf of sinners. He bore the punishment for our sins on the cross that we who believe may escape the just wrath of God. Like Hebrews 9:22 says, there is no forgivness of sins without shedding of blood, without someone paying the penalty for those sins, sins must be punished.The innocent dying in the place of the guilty as a substitute is exactly what Jesus did on that cross as the Old Testament foreshadowed in the animal sacrifices. This is not me teaching you, just showing you what Protestants teach from the Bible.
@@christianmama2441 all your proof text confirms the post. Jesus blood was required to cleanse our conscience to receive the Holy Spirit stopping sin to live righteous and Holy lives for salvation. Yes, Jesus gaveup (sacrificed) Himself for that purpose. Yes, Jesus was the facilitating High priest who performed the cleansing reconciliation (propitiation process) on the mercy seat. He will continue to perform the propitiation cleansing process if we truly repent. Yes, without blood their can be no cleansing (gk aphesis /remission) of sins. Heb 9 Your Bible version that uses the word "forgiveness" in place of remission is a corruption. Old English Remission also carried a definition of releasing which is a functional synonym of cleansing. It came from a latin word of the same. Understanding its impossible for blood and water to make contemplated emotional reasoned decision of forgiving should be the clue. Secondly the contextual use in the totality of the NT is of washing. In fact Paul wash told his baptism in water was to WASH his sins away. This corruption isn't the only one. You certainly can't believe He paid God to forgive your sin debt can you.?
Romans 9:32-33 They stumbled on the “stone of stumbling”; 33 as it is written: “Look! I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock-mass of offense, but he that rests his faith on it will not come to disappointment.” . Who is THE STONE OF STUMBLING that has everything to do with the remnant of the sons of Israel? . The Apostle Paul is quoting Isaiah Chapter 28 which mentions the tribe of Ephraim (Nations aka Gentiles). . Isaiah Chapter 28 has an end time prophecy that can ONLY be fulfilled by Jehovah's Witnesses: . Isaiah 28:14-15 Therefore hear the word of Jehovah, YOU braggarts, YOU RULERS OF THIS PEOPLE who are in Jerusalem: 15 Because YOU men have said: “We have concluded a covenant with Death; and with She´ol we have effected a vision; the overflowing flash flood, in case it should pass through, will not come to us, for we have made a lie our refuge and in falsehood we have concealed ourselves”; . "We have concluded a covenant with Death" . Millions Now Living Will Never Die . So who is THE STONE OF STUMBLING for the remnant of the sons of Israel? . Genesis 49:24-25 From the hands of the powerful one of Jacob, from there is the shepherd ** THE STONE OF ISRAEL ** 25 He is from the God of your father ** AND HE WILL HELP YOU ** and he is with the Almighty, . John 15:26-16:2 When ** THE HELPER ARRIVES ** that I will send YOU from the Father, the spirit of the truth, which proceeds from the Father, that one will bear witness about me; 27 and YOU, in turn, are to bear witness, because YOU have been with me from when I began.16 “I have spoken these things to ** YOU THAT YOU MAY NOT BE STUMBLED ** 2 Men will expel YOU . [Name of person] is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses ---->> Men will expel YOU . Did that HELP or did you STUMBLE? . Now go back to Romans Chapter 9: . Romans 9:25-26 It is as he says also in Ho·se´a: “Those not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not beloved ‘beloved’; 26 and in the place where it was said to them, ‘YOU are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’” . [Name of person] is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses ---->> ‘YOU are not my people,’ . THE STONE of STUMBLING is Joseph! . If that helped then, pay it forward. . "and YOU, in turn, are to bear witness"
David is a very pleasant speaker. But he continually attacks a straw man. He takes one Calvinist idea, mixes it with one or more of his Arminian ideas (or presuppositions), and then says that it doesn't make any sense. Of course, such a mixture is logically incoherent. But he's not disproving Calvinism, he's only showing that a Calvinist-Arminian mixture is incoherent. I can agree with that. Bercot continually states that Calvinists believe in an arbitrary predestination. But Calvinists don't believe in arbitrary predestination. Anyone who has read the Westminster Confession of Faith knows the distinction between first and second causes. He should read historic Reforned systematics -- at least the basic confessions, such as the WCF and Three Forms of Unity -- before commenting about what Calvinists believe. Romans 9:18-21 clearly is (indirectly) a discussion of the very question how a person can be faulted if God's hardening of Pharoah happened on the basis of His providential action. And it isn't clear to me why the present context (of explaining the Jew-Gentile relationship to the promise of God through Abraham) would make any of the examples in Romans 9 irrelevant to the question of God's irresistible providential rule of the universe.
I'm a bit confused. Maybe I'm missing something here. David Bercot states that at the beginning Pharoah hardens his own heart, and God hardens his heart later on, but what I'm reading is that God hardened his heart at first.
And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.
Exodus 7:13 KJV
@Samuel Leforte Great question. Let me check with David on this one. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel I just checked the Hebrew. "He" isn't originally there. It looks like the kjv translators added it there.
@Samual Leforte I checked with David, and he was able to check into this for a quick reply. He couldn't remember what he said in the message on this point, but he looked at his notes, and found that he hadn't intended to say the text says that Pharaoh first hardened his heart. I looked at the video, and it turns out he did say that, so that must have been a misstatement on his part.
Here's what David intended to convey (partly in my words, since he sent me this in a voice message): Pharaoh already had a wicked heart, and God didn't give that to him. He foretold that he'd harden his heart, but didn't say at what point. It's not like Pharaoh was a godly person or ready to repent, like the King of Nineveh. Pharaoh's answer to Moses' request to go into the wilderness to pray was not just "no," but to increase the Israelites' work. That shows that he was already a harsh person. The question is if Pharaoh would have said yes if God hadn't hardened his heart, and the text doesn't say that.
Thanks for pointing out this blooper! And thanks for the insight into the Hebrew text; I'll have to remember that.
-Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel Thank you and David for taking the time to respond. It makes way more sense to me now. David has truly been such a blessing in my life. More people need to see his teachings, and thats why im recommending his videos to as many people as i can. I'm learning so much of the truth that so many teachers and pastors have tried sweeping under the rug or twisting away. I thank God I came across this channel 🙏 ❤️
Exodus 7:13 would be better translated as this.
וַיֶּחֱזַק֙ לֵ֣ב פַּרְעֹ֔ה וְלֹ֥א שָׁמַ֖ע אֲלֵהֶ֑ם כַּאֲשֶׁ֖ר דִּבֶּ֥ר יְהוָֽה
And Pharaoh strengthened his heart and did not listened to the Word of Yahweh (the Lord).
The LXX says
Exodus 7:13
13καὶ κατίσχυσεν ἡ καρδία Φαραώ, καὶ οὐκ εἰσήκουσεν αὐτῶν, καθάπερ ἐνετείλατο αὐτοῖς Κύριος.
And Pharaoh strengthened his heart and did not listened to them as the Lord had commanded.
However
Exodus 7:3 ἐγὼ δὲ σκληρυνῶ τὴν καρδίαν Φαραώ, καὶ πληθυνῶ τὰ σημεῖά μου καὶ τὰ τέρατα ἐν γῇ Αἰγύπτῳ.
I will harden the heart of Pharaoh and multiply my signs and wonders in the land of Egypt.
*The Hebrew reads the same in vs 3.
God is loving to His elect. Who are you to accuse God of being arbitrary? His ways or not your ways.
@Bill Baehr I don't believe David accused God of being arbitrary. -Lynn
@@SoundFaithChannel Huh?
I find Bercot's explanation of Romans 9 to be a confusing mess, no offence to him, I think he means well but he is simply not believing what the text says in plain language. Yes, God elects some for salvation and lets others perish in their sins, and there is zero unfairness about this because sinners are fully responsible for their sins and God is righteous in saving whomever He wishes on the basis of Christ's sacrifice for the sins of His elect. God does not owe anybody anything, we are all guilty sinners, God does not even owe anyone the chance to even hear the gospel, in fact many people throughout history have died without ever hearing the gospel the last 2000 years.....are you going to call God unfair they never heard the gospel and never had a chance? This is absurd to say the least, God owes nobody the hearing of the gospel nor salvation, it is MERCY, mercy is an unmerited thing and He has mercy on whomever He wishes to have mercy, nobody is entitled to mercy. The Romans text is plain language, God's election stands, human will is an afterthought when it comes to salvation, yes you hear the gospel and must believe it, but the very reason you believe the gospel is because God elected you to believe it before the world began. That is not coercing your will, that is the mystery of divine election despite your will.
Acts 13:48 "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed."
@@christianmama2441 sounds like you think Christ death paid God to forgive our sin debt or something. Correct me if I am wrong. Jesus gaveup (sacrificed) his human body for its blood to use in the propitiation cleansing process on the mercy seat. Unless our conscience is cleansed of the guilt from our forgiven sins the Holy Spirit cannot enter His temple and we won't be able to stop the reoccurring sin thus not enter heaven.
Do you think God required a payment to forgive your sin debt.?
@@brothernick7221 God required a payment for my sins, Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death;...." Jesus paid the penalty for our sins, even death on the cross, Isaiah 53: 5 "But He was pierced for our offenses,
He was crushed for our wrongdoings; The punishment for our well-being was laid upon Him,..." Please note Isaiah calls what happened on the cross "PUNISHMENT" clearly the innocent Christ was punished with death for us the guilty sinners, for our sins that we may escape the wrath of God.
2 Timothy 2
👉21 Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.👈 22 Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
1 John 3
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
👉3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
Cain was told by God, “why has your countenance fallen? don’t you know that if you do well that you’ll be accepted?” But then God decreed he go kill his brother? And other perfect examples are what Joseph’s brothers meant for evil, God meant for good, and there was restoration in the family. Likewise, Esau and Jacob restored their relationship, as well. God blessed Esau’s family, too. What then? Esau was hated and despised, yet blessed and full of forgiveness? Something is off.
Maybe this was what Peter meant when he said Paul’s writing was hard to understand 😋
I believe you’re correct. I also believe it has to do with people misunderstanding Paul’s teachings and twisting them to teach license to sin.
Through the Calvinist view, one can easily blame God for everything. However, if this was so, we need to ask ourselves, why did the Lord Jesus Christ tell His followers: “If any man will come after me” (Mat 16:24)? "If" implies the freedom of choice which is given to every individual by God Himself. Therefore this shows that man is not a mere subject, but instead the object of God's love which derives from the freedom.
Let me remind you that there are people all over the globe that are born and never hear the gospel of Christ. So your theory of free will here is highly problematic, God never even gave a chance to many to even hear the gospel, are you going to tell me God is unfair in not allowing people to hear the gospel in their lifetime? Look, the calvinistic view is the following: Adam and Eve plunged the entire human race into sin, we are born enslaved to sinful desires, dead spiritually, unworthy of God's love, but God in His mercy sent His Son Jesus Christ to rescue SOME out of the pool of sinners to be with Him in all eternity. God does not owe anyone any love or mercy, the very fact some are saved is pure grace and mercy, not something that is owed to any human. Humans are fully responsible for their sins, unless Jesus Christ shows them mercy and has atoned for their sins. SO, both human responsability for sin is affirmed in calvinism, and also the mercy and grace of God to save whomever He wishes is also affirmed. The Bible teaches both these things and although they have a paradox, we must believe by faith what Scriptures says and quit trying to use logic to even begin to understand the mind of God when it comes to divine election.
@christianmama God will judge according to what they know and not what they knew not. They will be judged by the law of conscience. Some of them know that stealing is bad, it they go against their conscience and do it, they will have to give an account for it.
@@egosum7 Exactly, they will be judged and declared guilty, without even hearing the gospel ever, it only further prooves the calvinistic understanding of Scripture. God owes NO ONE salvation, nor even the chance to hear the gospel, we are all sinners and guilty before a Holy God. The only exceptions would be babies and people with severe cognitive handicaps, who die before they can do good or evil, these God in His mercy saves in His mercy based on Christ's sacrifice on the cross, independent of their will, God has mercy on whomever He wants to have mercy and owes nobody any mercy.
@christianmama Look at how God separates the sheep from the goats. What was their guilt exactly? Their bad theology? Or was it the fact that they were not in the likeness of Christ in character and in deed? Were they not chosen to begin with? Or did their choices lead them to a dead end?
@@egosum7 You can only choose what's in your heart. If you are born with a heart corrupted by sin, so will every choice you make be corrupted. People are not born with an equal inclination to do the good and the evil, but are born ENSLAVED to the sinful desires of their corrupted heart (this is the devastating effect of being born in Adam, we are corrupted by sin from birth). If we truly were born with equal power to do the good and the evil, then you should see some people walking around who chose to NEVER sin and therefore they could keep the commandments and go to heaven without Jesus, but you don't see anything like that, in fact the Bible says there are none righteous, not even one, only Jesus is sinless and that's why He came to rescue us from this complete slavery to sin that we are born into . Jesus told us that apart from Him we can do nothing good (John 15:5), that means everything the unbeliever does is not acceptable to God, even though they may appear good to humanity. Example: someone feeds a hungry person and gives themselves praise instead of praising God for this deed, that's a form of self idolatry and it is sin against God.
Still listening to part 2 very interesting would like to reach out to someone and talk is that possible?
@Ron Smith Feel free to email us at soundfaithchannel@gmail.com. I can definitely find someone you can speak to. God bless. -Lynn
Again, thanks again for your hard work and diligent work to rightly divide the word of truth more perfectly then the three great super religions of Christendom, called Catholicism orthodox ism, and finally Protestantism. What happened to good old fashion CHRISTianity?! They replace CHRISTianity with CHURCHianity. Just like the Jews had the oral tradition just like the Catholics believe in scripture and tradition most organized religions, and Christianity intermix human tradition with godly utterances. It is time to remove the leaven of human tradition and stop being bipolar and simply just except the divine utterances, only found in the word of God Genesis to Revelation.
wjcharliee As much as we would like to see a pure visible church here on earth, Jesus makes it clear that's not going to happen, He will sort everything out when He comes back. Having said that, yes we should strive for as pure a church as possible, but with Jesus' parable in mind,
Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
If Calvinism were TRUE then Romans 9:16 would not use the word MERCY for describing what God does, because arbitrary condemnation is UNmerciful.
Just judgment and justice requires "judgment according to one's deeds" as the Bible foretells will happen in the end... mercy in between for us to turn... anyone to have past washed away, this is grace, and make a new start. Then just judgment in the end based on this new start. That is both just, equal opportunity and merciful both.
You assume God owes anyone mercy, this is a mistake. The Bible makes it clear we are all guilty before a Holy God, He owes nobody any salvation, salvation is pure mercy to unworthy sinners. When you view it this way, no longer would it bother you that God is somehow unfair to only save some and not all, to only allow some people to hear the gospel and others die never having a chance to hear it. All are worthy of eternal hell, but God has mercy and saves some out of the pool of sinners (we all are sinners).
@@christianmama2441 I guess you are addressing me and my words. If you read what I wrote, I agree with you... the first part you said about God owing no one mercy. I just expressed it differently. The latter part where you seem to be okay, hard hearted, about God showing YOU mercy but not others, is sick and cold. The bible does not teach that. Study your bible not the words of your false pastor. Repent of this evil. Everyone gets a chance if they seek God, he will send the message to them. We all deserve punishment as I was saying. This is called JUST JUDGMENT which the NT says Jesus will to everyone in the end. To be merciful to Christian sinners and not other sinners is showing partiality, which Romans 2:11 says God does not do. It is through changed behavior to the one that really believes Jesus and his apostles, his actions obey what they say, or he or she is just deceiving themselves. For God to wipe away all of our past sins, and give us a new start truly is grace.
@@betawithbrett7068 So God showing mercy to some undeserving sinners and not others is unjust? But didn't we establish the only just thing is to send us all to eternal flames, that none are deserving of even a chance of salvation? I don't follow your argument at all. Where is the unfair part that He saves some unworthy sinners and leaves other unworthy sinners to perish? Where do you get this idea God gives equal opportunity for salvation to all humans? What about those in the jungles who never even heard of Christ and live and die without the gospel? Did they have an equal chance to even hear the gospel as you did? The answer is of course they didn't have an equal chance to hear the gospel, it is obvious fact of history. Let me leave you with John the Baptist's election to be a servant of God even from his mother's womb, Luke 1:15 "for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb." You mean to tell me God looked down the corridors of time to see if John would believe on Jesus ? Can God learn anything by looking down the corridors of time and decide what to do based on human will? This is absurd heresy to think in this way. The text is clear, John the Baptist was filled with the Spirit even from his mother's womb, clear divine election, nothing to do with John's will while he was in the womb.
@@christianmama2441 unjust means you are not doing what is right and not being fair. If you have children, and you give some dessert daily after meals but not the others, not because they did not clean their room or did something bad, but just because. Would that be unjust? Would that be ok? If you think that is ok, then you will never understand why showing favoritism to some over others for nothing they did is wrong and not what the NT is saying about God. God being merciful IF the repent, turn from their evil, since God hates evil, and his son wipes out all of their past sin record, not because they deserved it but because God did not want to destroy them but always just wants people to stop doing evil and do good.
Jesus said in John 5:28 Do not be amazed at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those WHO HAVE DONE GOOD to the resurrection of life, and those WHO HAVE DONE EVIL to the resurrection of condemnation.
Paul said in Romans 2:6 God will pay back to each one according to his works: 7 to those who by patience in doing good work who seek for glory and honor and immortality, God will give eternal life; 8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11 For God shows no partiality (no favoritism).
@@christianmama2441 you asked "Where do you get this idea God gives equal opportunity for salvation to all humans?" Here is a few CLEAR passages that don't mince words of this fact.
Peter is speaking to Cornelius, the first Gentile not having to become a Jew first to become a Christian in Acts 10:34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but
in every nation
anyone whoever fears God
and does what is right is acceptable to God."
Peter speaks again in 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all would repent.
Are the women allowed to ask questions?
Why wouldn't they be allowed to ask questions? A man is answering/having spiritual authority, so I would think the womem would be allowed to ask questions.
Some women who are wives may ask their husbands first, and the husband, if he does not have a good response, may ask the pastor.
I don't recall scripture condemning women for seeking the truth publicly. Do you have something to suggest this, or was your comment reflecting a perspective that only men seem to be asking questions?
God gave the authority to man for his wife. Gen 3. God gave no other man authority. The scripture of man teaching his wife and the command that she only seeks learning from her husband is one of essential for unity within a home. A woman seeking the thoughts and opinions of men other than her husband on such spiritual matters could be considered the same as spiritual adultry and destructive to the holy union of marriage.
@@newbirth7616 Excellent, thank you. Her head is probably not covered either.
@@1Whipperin well seeing that Paul spent so much time trying to teach God's laws, methods and culture to the gentile Greeks ignorant of even how a seder meal of remembrance works or its purpose and about God's marriage laws and a wife's covering of her beauty (glory) and why and about the fallen angels and how to accomidate the approx 40 different languages in Corinth as a major trade zone etc. We have no further to look than the everyday on the street practice and beliefs of the Jews. There is documented observation of why God's chosen wore head and face covering. That defines what Paul was teaching. God bless you
@@newbirth7616 Thank you
In the Kingdom of heaven God forgives our sin debt strictly out of mercy, compassion and grace at the moment of acceptable self death and commitment to stop sin and turn from your world. (repentance) Matt 18.
If God wants to show mercy and compassion (forgiving sin debt at repentance) for the Gentiles just as He always did for the Jew then He can. Adding the gentile to the day of reconciliation (At-One-ment) made the Jews jealous.
God forgives sins on a righteous basis, the very sacrifice of Jesus Christ for those sins that are being forgiven. If Jesus did not die on the cross for those sins, they could of never been forgiven by God, because God is just and righteous and needs a just basis for forgiveness. This is called penal substitutionary death on the cross, Christ died in the place of the sinner, for the sinner's sins, taking the penalty for their very sins. The question is, do you believe Jesus died for YOUR personal sins on that cross, then rose from the grave the third day, and on that basis you are forgiven of your sins? or Jesus died for the sins of others but not yours? Answer that for yourself.
Isaiah 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned-every one-to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
@@christianmama2441 I agree with the brother above. Jesus says God forgives sin debt freely out of compassion for anyone who is willing to surrender everything and repent. Always did and always will. Christ death had nothing to do with forgiveness. That was out of grace /compassion. Christ death as a human, in part was for the blood that can cleanse completely the conscience (temple) of the forgiven sinner setting him free from the sin to live a righteous and Holy life for salvation.
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1Peter2:24 "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."
1John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins:..."
Hebrews 9:22 - And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:"
Ephesians 1:7 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;"
The forgiveness of God can only come by the sacrifice of Jesus, a sacrifice made once for all on behalf of sinners. He bore the punishment for our sins on the cross that we who believe may escape the just wrath of God. Like Hebrews 9:22 says, there is no forgivness of sins without shedding of blood, without someone paying the penalty for those sins, sins must be punished.The innocent dying in the place of the guilty as a substitute is exactly what Jesus did on that cross as the Old Testament foreshadowed in the animal sacrifices. This is not me teaching you, just showing you what Protestants teach from the Bible.
@@christianmama2441 all your proof text confirms the post. Jesus blood was required to cleanse our conscience to receive the Holy Spirit stopping sin to live righteous and Holy lives for salvation. Yes, Jesus gaveup (sacrificed) Himself for that purpose. Yes, Jesus was the facilitating High priest who performed the cleansing reconciliation (propitiation process) on the mercy seat. He will continue to perform the propitiation cleansing process if we truly repent.
Yes, without blood their can be no cleansing (gk aphesis /remission) of sins. Heb 9
Your Bible version that uses the word "forgiveness" in place of remission is a corruption. Old English Remission also carried a definition of releasing which is a functional synonym of cleansing. It came from a latin word of the same.
Understanding its impossible for blood and water to make contemplated emotional reasoned decision of forgiving should be the clue. Secondly the contextual use in the totality of the NT is of washing. In fact Paul wash told his baptism in water was to WASH his sins away. This corruption isn't the only one.
You certainly can't believe He paid God to forgive your sin debt can you.?
Romans 9:32-33
They stumbled on the “stone of stumbling”; 33 as it is written: “Look! I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock-mass of offense, but he that rests his faith on it will not come to disappointment.”
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Who is THE STONE OF STUMBLING that has everything to do with the remnant of the sons of Israel?
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The Apostle Paul is quoting Isaiah Chapter 28 which mentions the tribe of Ephraim (Nations aka Gentiles).
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Isaiah Chapter 28 has an end time prophecy that can ONLY be fulfilled by Jehovah's Witnesses:
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Isaiah 28:14-15
Therefore hear the word of Jehovah, YOU braggarts, YOU RULERS OF THIS PEOPLE who are in Jerusalem: 15 Because YOU men have said: “We have concluded a covenant with Death; and with She´ol we have effected a vision; the overflowing flash flood, in case it should pass through, will not come to us, for we have made a lie our refuge and in falsehood we have concealed ourselves”;
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"We have concluded a covenant with Death"
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Millions Now Living Will Never Die
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So who is THE STONE OF STUMBLING for the remnant of the sons of Israel?
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Genesis 49:24-25
From the hands of the powerful one of Jacob, from there is the shepherd ** THE STONE OF ISRAEL ** 25 He is from the God of your father ** AND HE WILL HELP YOU ** and he is with the Almighty,
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John 15:26-16:2
When ** THE HELPER ARRIVES ** that I will send YOU from the Father, the spirit of the truth, which proceeds from the Father, that one will bear witness about me; 27 and YOU, in turn, are to bear witness, because YOU have been with me from when I began.16 “I have spoken these things to ** YOU THAT YOU MAY NOT BE STUMBLED ** 2 Men will expel YOU
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[Name of person] is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses ---->> Men will expel YOU
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Did that HELP or did you STUMBLE?
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Now go back to Romans Chapter 9:
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Romans 9:25-26
It is as he says also in Ho·se´a: “Those not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not beloved ‘beloved’; 26 and in the place where it was said to them, ‘YOU are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
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[Name of person] is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses ---->> ‘YOU are not my people,’
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THE STONE of STUMBLING is Joseph!
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If that helped then, pay it forward.
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"and YOU, in turn, are to bear witness"
Maybe N.T. Wright has it right on this passage.
David is a very pleasant speaker. But he continually attacks a straw man. He takes one Calvinist idea, mixes it with one or more of his Arminian ideas (or presuppositions), and then says that it doesn't make any sense. Of course, such a mixture is logically incoherent. But he's not disproving Calvinism, he's only showing that a Calvinist-Arminian mixture is incoherent. I can agree with that.
Bercot continually states that Calvinists believe in an arbitrary predestination. But Calvinists don't believe in arbitrary predestination. Anyone who has read the Westminster Confession of Faith knows the distinction between first and second causes. He should read historic Reforned systematics -- at least the basic confessions, such as the WCF and Three Forms of Unity -- before commenting about what Calvinists believe.
Romans 9:18-21 clearly is (indirectly) a discussion of the very question how a person can be faulted if God's hardening of Pharoah happened on the basis of His providential action. And it isn't clear to me why the present context (of explaining the Jew-Gentile relationship to the promise of God through Abraham) would make any of the examples in Romans 9 irrelevant to the question of God's irresistible providential rule of the universe.