You touched on something regarding Microsoft, and I think that you can actually push a bit further on them. For example, all the file extensions they use on windows, they have basically monopolized the OS space alongside Apple by making it near impossible for other OS developers to make anything that could be supported and used without outside help (ie, steam proton).
I thought that the lawsuit was not to use the platform for free, but instead because of you’re forced to pay Apple without any alternatives, even if you make your own alternative. I thought America was about freedom.
this is so complex. google is not a monopoly when it comes to app store installation because of the ability to download apks or other store fronts while apple does not making them kind of a monopoly by locking the competition out. this is where its tricky because while they dont have a case against google. They do have a case against apple because they lock out apks preventing you from getting other app stores. thats where things become an issue for apple. It means that because no other app stores are allowed they do have a monopoly and since iphone is one of the biggest providers and the store has no competitors on that device. They had no chance in hell with google but with apple their flaw is the fact they lock out apks making it apple store only making it a technical monopoly. personally i think this is just epic grand standing on their pretentiousness but they do have a case which unless apple allows apks they do have a chance of winning.
The better good? Their own good! Since they add 1/3rd of the money they "saved" you into their own profit. In other words: They tried to raise their profit by almost 15% while pretending to be Robin Hood.
ya like as a hobbyist dev i can make a game and 1st million is mine vs any other liscnese YOUR PAYING like the over 18 million in freebies over 2.5 years and you cause your jealous and unable to get into it then wish to attack it yup we see what you and upper are cry babies that cant do soemhting with it so your attacking whatever if they were to win apple suit they'd be able to have there own app store and im betting the dev side drops to 12% and every dev would jump ship from apple's 30% again you act like we devs making more money is terrible are you fucking idiots LIKE FOR REAL and this unreal lisence allows me to make loads a vids and have a lot a fun your not having POOR YOU
Tim literally outed himself as the greedy little kid he is. When the court asked and I paraphrase "If apple offered Epic, and epic alone, a better deal, would you take it?" and he said "Yes" lol.
Unless there was a "or everyone gets a slightly worse deal (but better than status quo)" somewhere in there, I don't see how this shows Epic's greed. Companies negotiate better terms for themselves all the time.
@@Wix92 after all those statements about ‘fighting for all developers’ and all those prepared statements and propaganda video entailing Apple as an evil entity, they should be ashamed of assuming a higher moral ground since it turns out that they might be only wanting the opportunity to negotiate a better deal at the end (which is a compromise, but utterly damaging and humiliating for Epic) Tim just lied to those kids that he rallied to his cause. And made new enemies over the leaking of game industry secrets lol..
I don't know whether to feel shocked that Epics practices were so bad, amused at Ubi getting hosed, mad that epic violated their contract, or disappointed that I didn't get in line in time to take a drink from the fraud faucet.
@@IRMentat Most people are aware that various companies are dirty, it’s jus that here somehow it all got aired in public. That and it’s all in contradiction of these companies trying to claim to be moral, which is something no-one should be surprised by, and makes it clear that Epic has been talking out of they metaphorical rear-end.
its true Epic isnt the ONLY one, but Epic is the one that put itself out there. Epic is out there, plain to see. They put themselves on the chopping block. Which most companies are smart enough not to oust themselves. Epic pretty much admitted they were pieces of shit with the shitty exclusivity. Annd the Sales they've done without even telling developers anything about it.
@@IRMentat No I realize that which is why I refused to install their store. However, they happen to be right about Apple in this case. ua-cam.com/video/5yDY5-0OIAk/v-deo.html
He knows the audience he is explaining to for the most part are not in the legal sphere. So he has to "dumb" it down for us. I think its great coz legalese is a horrible thing to try to get your head around
@@The_Slavstralian that's for sure, but it is interesting from the perspective of a foreigner. Would be cool if the dude tackled more international law
@@The_Slavstralian its really not that bad. It's just time consuming and social media has entirely decimated the remaining patience and attention span that we have as a species. By design of course... So that people deliberately choose to be uninformed, making them likely to abdicate responsibility and self-atonomy. Ie: more likely to sell themselves into slavery because independence is hard and takes work to maintain. Except gamers. Gamers in general (and on average) are more intelligent than the average social media addicted zoomer. Probably why they've tried to demonize and de-legitimize the industry since the 90s
As an interesting thing to note, Apple actually have a new clause where if the yearly revenue made by a company is below 1 Million they'll only take 15 percent instead. So like, It seems like the little guy has actually gotten a minor help from this massive lawsuit shining light on these practices. Still fuck Epic mind you
@@quicksilver2k97 Best part is, Swindler Sweeney is always dogging on Steam for their 30% but quietly tries to tuck tail and run away from Apple's 30%. Where's the boastful "They don't need 30%" Sweeney about that? Oh, right... paying fines for breaking a contract. lol What an absolute tool Sweeney is.
Heres the thing... you CANNOT be a company that benefits from exclusivity, which Epic is absolutely doing, AND complain about monopoly. They are the exact same.
I don't give a shit about Epic, but I really want Apple to be forced to open their devices for anyone to distribute for. Even if the decision comes down to allowing bootcamp on iPhone (iOS remains locked down, but installing Android, Linux, Windows, or even EpicOS would be a huge win in my book!) Imagine if we have a whole bunch of competing iDevice OSs by Valve, Epic, the Linux community, and more, that would completely demolish monopolies where it counts.
@@blisphul8084 it would end with the unsupported mess that is Android. None of the manufacturers of Android devices including Google provide anything but extremely limited feature and security updates to existing devices. The real updates are only available for the next model.
@@blisphul8084 the precedent would effect more than just tech my dude. This is not just a controlled issue. It’s revolving around apples system and their own device. All of which is their own stuff. Key point, their stuff.
Sweeney Tim is not anyone's friend, doesn't care about people, doesn't care about Devs, he's just another Bobby Kotick. They are trying to sell that crap to the fools that will buy into it but it's a con, nothing more.
It does in terms of individual video game distribution rights. However, it seems like they're arguing about storefronts right now, which is different. On the PC, you do have a choice of different storefronts right now whereas that is not the case for Playstation or Xbox.
@@chrisll3438 I didn't say anything about a "monopoly", I said specifically that I'm not sure you can call it much of a "choice" if one of Epic's biggest selling points are making exclusivity deals with products that are in high demand. This filters customers directly to their store front since you can't get the "exclusive" product anyplace else. It's also not like when Valve has an exclusive title, because that's typically Valve making it or an extension of a Valve product. Epic does exclusivity deals with games that aren't even produced in-house or based on their in-house properties. It's not hard to see what they're doing.
@@Gakusangi The thread ask if there is a monopoly, so there's no need for you to say it directly. If you are not arguing over a monopoly, and I mean no offense, you are changing the subject; worse, you are contributing to misunderstanding.
Tencent own 48.5% of Epic - more importantly they have 2 seats on their Board of Directors (in perpetuity). And yes, Timmy's actions are clearly dictated by the CCP who are using litigation to try and get their own stores onto western devices, without paying anything to the platform holders. It's insidiously creepy.
Where have they been greedy. Please tell me... they went out of their way to give indie developers are retroactive 18% cut to all earning. It is huge to indie developers.
@@Phoenix9q How about increasing their revenue from 70% to 80%? They were keeping 1/3rd of the "saved" money, an increase of almost 15% of their own revenue. That 18% is peanuts compared to the big Fortnite V-Buck cashcow!
Epic doesn't own PC or Windows as a platform and doesn't restrict you in any way from installing apps from outside of their store, or installing alternative stores in the way Apple does on iOS.
Lmao I guess when Apple makes a game and tries to put on their store we can see an Apple vs epic instead of epic vs Apple and maybe Mark Z will have his real identity leaked
@@JAN0L wish the lawsuit was about that, but as they tried to drag Google in as well it just showed they want access to the platform, its servers and its userbase without paying for it. Its absurd. Not saying any of these companies are good, just that epic is really childish.
So by epics logic ,and the fact that fortnite is not just a game but rather a sort of "platform" shouldn't I be able to sell my stuff within the fortnite marketplace???
Epic has a walled garden storefront. They could be sued for not letting every dog and pony scam game on their storefront. What's to stop local farmers from forcing their way into the grocery stores directly?
The epic store has competition. You can get the same or competing products (games) from other sources (competition) Apples app store does not have competition. You cannot get apps of any kind from anywhere else without having to acquire completely new hardware. This is a monopoly. If Walmart was the only seller of bread, it would be a monopoly. If only game stop sold video games, it would be a monopoly. You are, intentionally or not, conflating a product and a market. Game exclusivity affects a single product, that single product has competition, that competition makes up the market.
@IzoPacifist no the app store does not have competition. Apple has an absolute monopoly on the $50,000,000,000 a year market that is app distribution on ios. Not only do they have this monopoly, but they use their monopoly to crush competition to their services by banning competing apps, like game streaming service apps (Xbox, Shadow, Stsdia, etc.) gaming, in a complete not coincidence, makes up 72% of the revenue on apples app store. The iPhone has competition. The apple app store does not.
Epic wants to fight what they argue as a monopoly in order to become a monopoly, they clearly just don't want to pay their rent but continue to reside on the property.
And they even admitted it, apparently. There's a quote going around about a lawyer asking Sweeney at the trial if Epic would've backed down if they got special treatment from Apple, like Amazon seemingly has, and Sweeney promptly answered "yes". Don't know if it's true or taken out of context, I heard it on a Bellular News video and have yet to check this.
see comment way above i can install my games on any pc i own ...how is that then exclusive OHHHH you mean cause as a dev 1st million is mine and after that i pay a measly 5% ya vs steam 30% +5% and apple before this began was 30% + epic 5% ya and epic wants to run its own app store so then it would be to use there store 12% and they wave the 5% so 18% +5=23% more in my bloody pocket i might even pass on as a dev some so we all benefit BUT NAAA lets rag on more your stupide arent ya lets click you and see yup no subs no content steam troll again
@@chronosschiron Let's say Epic its case against Apple do you believe that the 30% cut that Apple was taking as a surcharge for doing business on their platform will turn into savings on the price on your end, of course not Epic wants the whole enchilada. Epic has already established a price your willing to pay and then they get 100% instead of 70%, as for the subs, I'm not a creator and before accusing someone of being stupid learn to type English properly, use punctuation and grammar, your comment was somewhat difficult to read without this.
@@Apoc5k let me say this not all devs would but look at my channel thanks to epic during a pandemic i got to entertain and am even doing a stargate mega proiject that the stargate people know of and seem ok with have fun ...and if i take out the one asset the gate then i can turn this into a actual game legally , as a bonus i literally never have to worry about copyrights as i legally own all the assets you see for use commerically as htey are all made and done in side unreal i have 18 million in fireebies man woa so much shit my ancient hardware cant keep up , that is my main issue is hardware to do shit faster i was till recently on a dual core intel slow as shit with 10 year old graphic card now i got a ryzen laptop and im loving it
chronoss chiron you idiot why would you get a discount? Only publishers would get the money not you. Not the devs. Theyll just charge you the same amount. And take more money. But epic is a rickety shack compared to humble and gog let alone steam and has massive leaks.
Epic game store no. There are multiple places to buy PC games, including directly from dev teams. The fornite skin store is a monopoly, yes. Not all monopolies are ilegal tho. IP been the biggest example if these.
@@TUXmint Thank you. All these butthurt people going full retard drunk off of epic hate mongering. I don't like epic as much as the next guy, but I know the difference between an apple and an orange.
@@Jose-sl9gh IP law should be ripped into if not obliterated. Ideas are nonphysical and therefore can't be stolen. ua-cam.com/video/jIM6dN3ogbk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/mnnYCJNhw7w/v-deo.html Some monopolies might always pop up but it should be impossible to maintain them for long. IP and copyright law helps keep them in place.
Exactly. Epic can slash store rates at no big loss and demand the same from others to maximize income from the (properly developed and maintained) platforms that already give Epic most of their revenue, which would more than compensate their loss in their own store.
The impression I've gotten is that EGS was created as a battering ram against Apple. It'd be harder to claim the 30% fee is unreasonable without somebody charging meaningfully less.
I';m not surprised to see that Epic's terrible platform is having way more problems behind the scenes and isn't all sunshine and rainbows like Tim Weenie would like everyone to believe.
@@diegoarmando5489 right wing lmfao 🤣 I forgot if its not far left, its all right. Also you should probably listen to more "right wing" content creators. Might break the spell. 🤣
@@flosonasty7320 They call it "The Left Pole"... like how when you're at the north pole everywhere is south, when you're at the left pole everyone is right.
I'm an apple main. I do understand there are a few options, but it's hands down a worse YT experience with videos taking 5-10 minutes to load sometimes.
I am, like so many others I think, the proud owner of an egs account that has never even seen a single digit of a credit card, I'm about 20-25 free games deep. I hope this shows up in their stats 🤣
They're playing the long game though. People with existing Steam libraries will not switch to Epic that easily, but when Epic's done with this there's probably a new generation of gamers out there who own most of their games on EGS. It's a sad future, but probably realistic...
i'll take exclusive stores over conoles anytime. Plus you are forgetting one benefit. if steam is down, you have other stores that aren't. Sure epic is greedy. But at least there are companies far worse than them.
There is a distinct difference. I would consider locked down hardware a monopoly because the barrier to switching requires buying a whole new device at full price. To switch between EGS and steam, you just need to install another app. A lose-lose for both companies would be if Apple can continue to keep iOS as is, but require a legit way to unlock the device and install a third party operating system with full support for all hardware features. Epic doesn't get EGS on iOS, but Apple can no longer dictate what users do with their iPhones or iPads if they install a third party OS.
@@blisphul8084 I have the feeling that with your logic Ferrari drivers are in their right mind if they expect their race car to be good off-road as well. We're talking about a phone here: The main purpose is making phoncalls. Any other gadget on it is a bonus but not important. If you pick a system for the gadgets, deal with the shortcommings or buy another system. The OS is what makes the device working as it is and as guaranteed. Third party OS? Fine, but no more warranty.
@@hotdognl70 you're assuming people are able to pick their gadgets and afford to buy new ones. Whether it's a kid that was given a device as a gift, and wants to learn computer science, or a person in a developing country that can only afford whatever people are tossing out, for a lot of people buying a new device is simply not an option. Also the buy a new device solution is one reason why there's so much e-waste.
You sold lots of iPhones but you don't allow users to install whatever crap they want on them, including mine. I get to have users be able to install my apps without you deciding what users can put or not on their phones. If you try to make an app for an iPhone you will soon see who owns every iPhone, and it's not the consumer. Still, best solution is to not buy an iPhone if you dislike not owning your phone. If you don't care or like it, then that's it. If no one ported their games to iPhone to not deal with their restrictions... but that's not what happens. Imagine if the one that built your house gets to decide what you can install on your home and who's allowed inside. And also gets a cut of 30% of everything you buy, the fridge, chairs, everything, plus you must buy through him, you can't buy directly to a seller that makes the products.
Uh no Your phone is like a house which Apple sold to you, However, Apple also owns the streets and in real life everyone is allowed to use them. Not only does Apple treat app devs terribly (see floatplane from ltt), they do not follow the app guidlines they hold over other devs. Remember Apple tried to make it illegal to jailbreak iPhones too.
@@mawillix2018 That is actualy not far off the point. You buy a home, including the security system. And that system wants you to close the door when you leave you home.
@@092_deepak_kumar3 Its either 1) Epic wants to open another mall in Apple's mall, or 2) They think the current rent of mentioned mall is too high. While made a lot of money opening a Fortnite store in Apple's mall already.
McDonald's doesn't sell others peoples burgers at all so it's not much of a market place as it is a product or brand most like saying "a food court designed by McDonald's isn't letting burger king sell burgers for free" would be a more appropriate food analogy
@@kusazero the mail issue is not the store itself but Apple forcing developers to using their payment system for in-app purchases, it doesn't makes any sense to me why should someone pay Apple for the purchases happening in their app.
Except McDonalds is the only restaurant in town, it's made unreasonably difficult to cook on your own or for any other restaurants to open and if you want to eat anything else you have to move to another town where KFC is in the same position. But it's not a monopoly because you're free to move I guess.
I know it's not 1-to-1 but I find it a bit hilarious how on one hand Epic is "forcing" people to adopt their storefront if they want to play certain games that Epic has exclusivity to but on the other hand they are trying to fight against an exclusive storefront. Personally I have the Epic launcher but due to Unreal Engine. I do mostly get the free games but to this day I have not played any of them.
exactly...kinda like how they acquired rocket league and forced all players who already owned it to sign up with epic even if you were on console. I genuinely hope they lose
For Honor has a ton of DLC packs that Ubisoft was banking on new players purchasing, which is why they absolutely didn't mind taking a small price from Epic for the base game.
Oh, this is fascinating and hilarious to watch. Also, never thought about what UEG said about the gamer mindset, but I have a half dozen several hour long analyses on various games, so I can't disagree.
The big tech companies are being sued because their stores represent "vertically integrated monopolies". Back in the day, movie studios had their own cinemas. If you wanted to watch a Universal movie you had to go to a Universal theater. If you wanted to see an MGM movie you had to go to an MGM theater, and so on. The US courts decided that these were vertically integrated monopolies and broke up the old studio system. Nowadays, you can go to potentially any cinema to watch a movie from whatever movie studio. It is about time the law stepped in to regulate these damn tech giants. All games should be available on all platforms! Don't listen to the lie that these companies are entitled to their own storefronts! I am dead serious!
That isn't even remotely the same: plenty of apps are available on both iOS and Android. This would be closer to a studio suing a theater chain because they wanted a bigger share of the ticket sales.
@@angrymokyuu1951 Personally, I'd want another marketplace on ios. You might not, but other people would appreciate the variety... usually it means competitive platforms. That's a good thing, we need to make it clear that should be the outcome. It doesn't help that Epic has somewhat of a mixed rep.
@@chrisll3438 It'd be one thing if the smartphone market was all Apple, but Android is the dominant ecosystem. That means you have to actively choose to go to the one that advertises itself as restricted. Banning that business model in the general case eliminates an element of customer choice(which is the bit I'm against, despite it not being my cup of tea).
more like you have one walmart store called apple to buy and sell in , should epic win it gets to ahve its own store and charge less then apple as it does wiht unreal engine thats what you communists are defending , apple monopoly store
Never forget that Epic is Tencent and Tencent is China and thus at some level (conspiratorially I know) this chaos can be a win for China in the US v China battle.
So the tech giants are having a giant Godzilla V. Mothra fight. I'm interested in seeing where this greed slap fight is taking the industry, especially as they're using skeletons previously located in closets.
and you have the 100% wrong ideal on whats going on people make stuff with unreal engine for all platforms and you will have more developers doing more if they have to pay less to be in a store and why not have it uin epics stopre , winning would also mean steam could make an app store as could ms and even sony youd have more choices for more apps and more then likely cheaper
and it also could mean if you do the security right and have a proper payment place YOU TOO COULD have an app store but naaa lets jsut all pay more and have less choices
chronoss chiron your the only one that is wrong here. If this goes through their will be no steam. No digital stores at all because everyone would want that digital storefront without paying rent and if no one pays rent the storefront cannot stand. So every single publisher will demand the own place to sell their products. And none of them will offer a discount in the slightest because they'll make more money selling full price and remain competitive with other stores. Epic store games are not cheaper than steam games for that very reason.
I don't think a company should be able to make hardware and then be the sole location to purchase for that hardware. Imagine if Microsoft forced you to buy all your software for Windows through the Microsoft Store.
It is kind like if you buy yourself a piece of land, there you build a big house from scratch and once it is finally done, you let people stay at place as long as they pay $30 to you from time to time - rent, basically. This scheme works great for years, but eventually comes an asshole guest and say that you have a monopoly IN YOUR HOUSE IN YOUR OWN PIECE OF LAND, and sue you for that because he/she does not want to pay rent to you... Google and Apple find their ways up the tech market (land), there they build their systems (houses) and let developers publish their games (guests). Them Epic comes along (the asshole guest) and starts to give them sh!t because it have to pay up to use their services. What the actual f*.
We've already gotten some information about this since Epic opened its store. For starters, we've seen the licensing cost of tools to develop video games go up while storefronts have started charging less per unit the more that is being sold. Many game engines for example, no longer offer perpetual licenses and instead use subscription based models or revenue sharing. In the long term, we may see a shorter life cycle of games where they get pulled off digital storefronts in 5 years or less instead of the current 10. This is seriously the first time in a long time where game development costs are actually going to up despite the past lies that companies like EA have been feeding us. EA on the other hand has Frostbite, so this actually won't affect them as much. As consumers, we're starting to see a new era of console wars that are restricting content on some platforms and a price increase as well. In the last 10 years, the PC market has been thoroughly neglected, which is why we often get games released several months if not years later at a reduced price. But with the actions of Epic, we're starting to see a new kind of exclusive war where new games are only going to be on one platform and sales are going to be a lot rarer for those games due to the lack of competition between digital storefronts. Microsoft for example, has been delaying its releases on PC by at least three months and they tend to release at full price. Sony has been doing something similar except taking it one step further by restricting DLC content too. However, their exclusivity deal periods are measured in years. Epic also has a hand in restricting PC access to games too with Kingdom Hearts, which is why they've been allowed to charge 4x the price ($170) for a game that is 2 years old at this point. For reference, they're charging almost full price for each game and then compare it to the PS4 Kingdom Hearts All-in-One package ($40). New storefronts will also not be able to compete with Epic pricing out the competition. They've essentially bought up exclusive rights to major titles like how EA has bought up the rights to all the sports games. Then, they hand out free copies of games they can't get exclusive rights to so that people won't buy from other stores. Unless you have massive money to burn like Epic does, you can't compete with that. And is this kind of model takes hold over what Steam does, we're going to see an overall decline in the quality of games as well without cross compatibility, cloud saves, forums, and other things to support these games on the PC. So yeah, the damage is already there. But if Epic wins, we're going to see this taken up to the next level, which is going to be the scary part. Epic can afford to operate at a loss because of the Unreal Engine's dominance in the market provide them with a continuous stream of revenue. They're going to be able to use their deals to restrict access to games exclusively to their store and keep the prices of games high while others won't be able to do the same unless all other PC storefronts shut down. It's going to make it harder for other digital storefronts to compete with them while ensuring that the quality of service from said storefront takes a massive hit. It's going to be a major loss for consumers as a whole before the lawsuits of other platforms even matter. It won't affect Epic by much even if they host other games on their store because they don't provide the same services that these other platforms do.
@@ohnosmoarlulcatz that was a dope clarification of things goin on then . So in this case it's best that epic lose or is it more grey than black and white ? I've heard epic, apple ,. Etc aren't the good guys and that it's not goin to be a celebration no matter who wins this case
@@ImarBenIsrael You are correct that no one is the good guy, but there's a better guy. Epic in this case is the worst guy. Why? Their store offers no services. Their store is minimalist and it feels like individual developers/publishers are developing the store features instead of Epic (I cannot confirm this, but this feels like the only reason why all their features are so inconsistently implemented), which is why support for pre-installs and cloud saves are spotty at best. It's because Epic seems to host little or nothing at all on their servers, which is why they can take a lower cut. Other stores cannot because of the services they provide. If Epic wins, they'll essentially gain access to these services for free and so will everyone else. At that point, why would they provide those services anymore? We may see the Playstation Store drop all of its servers and just force the developer/publisher to do it. Costs for the developer would increase even further. Essentially, all platforms would be encouraged to provide the bare minimum like Epic. It would harm developers and publishers across the board.
To be fair, with Apple, there is no way to use an app without their store. With Android you can direct download an app .apk file and install it from anywhere, so they don't have an iron fist on what you install on your phone. Apple does. This is the a high chance this changes things to open up apple's OS if they lose. I think letting unapproved apps be installed is the easier option than giving up their storefront. If Epic are stupid they will push the storefront issue rather than the app install issue.
This is something I've been wondering about in regards to the obligation a company may or may not have to other entities. I mean, what is my obligation to any other company if I make a gizmo that runs my own OS? Do I have to allow other people to develop and distribute for it? It's sounds odd. This issue has been brought to courts over Microsoft before with their browser 'monopoly' on Windows, but what is the defining trait that got them there, is it simply the popularity of the OS? If my gizmo has a 1% world market share, will it be the same for courts as a gizmo that has 80% of the market share? I'm not a big fan of Apple and having had to work with some of their enterprise/development tools has not left particularly good impressions though I've been out of it for about a year now. Even so, if they made the hardware or at least paid for it, they make and maintain the OS, they publish apps for their own benefit and user retention but what type of legal obligation would they have to open it up to competing companies. Epic suggests Apple would STILL have to develop and maintain their APIs and tools for the safety and optimization of apps made for iOS but that in return, see 0% revenue for it since those apps would be published by a competing store operation on the same OS they keep maintaining. Sounds to me like Epic thinks it's telling an intern to 'do it for the exposure'. Further more, Epic agreed to Apple's conditions when they started developing for iOS and got their developer account. No private user ever reads the TOS but companies have lawyers on retainer for this exact purpose.
Do you think Microsoft should be entitled to 30% of all software that's sold and running on Windows? They maintain the OS while allowing for competing storefronts as well as direct software installation and they're not going bankrupt.
@@JAN0L Of course it's sustainable but don't think MS aren't working in that direction. Windows S mode operating systems only works with apps from their own store. Microsoft just know that it's too late in the lifetime of a successful operating system to start restricting it now. S mode is already used to lock down education and enterprise machines to only use MS store software. Eventually that change will expand to home or even Professional systems, depending on how much they invest in their own store, so that users don't instantly feel locked out of the software they want to have. Microsoft have such a gigantic market that they can't stay out of governmental inspection with their actions, but if they were the size of Apple in the mid 2000's, they would have done the same thing. Besides, their largest source of income in the OS is companies and OEMs. Companies use a lot of proprietary software so restricting them is a challenge, but I assure you low level employees get the locked down S mode machine bought with bulk licenses by their firm from MS.
There was a bit more to the Microsoft case but the crux of the browser issue was that, at the time, browsers were sold on disk while Microsoft was giving IE away with the OS(which they also did with their server software - not at all incidentally Netscape's bread-and-better).
@@craigcutler6919 Apple is a crappy company, so is Epic. Epic Games however, shouldn't win this case, because as we've seen, it's already opening a can of worms that could destroy console gaming, and make the PC platform a living shitshow...
@@Xyler94 Phones and consoles are not the same thing and even a child knows this but you have used your biases to convince yourself they are so you can feel good about your illogical pre-determined conclusion.
@@craigcutler6919 if only the law agreed with you. If Epic Wins, it'll set a precedent that'll ripple throughout the console gaming space. The law won't care that "phones and consoles are different", all it'll see is that Sony's store is the only store that can install games onto PS5, just like how App Store is the only way to install apps onto iPhones. You're gonna say "But physical games", which are still highly controlled by Sony, and you can install apps via iTunes also. So if Epic Wins, it opens up Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo for being sued the exact same way. If that's the future you want, then by all means...
Epic is that creepy uncle that insists in touching you in the corner while putting out a smile for nobody else to find out pretending he's your friend.
Wow! I'm amazed at this stuff getting out into the public domain! I never trusted Epic from the get-go and have never subscribed to their store. Their lack of moral fiber is extraordinary. I have gone without games I really wanted to play at launch, rather than give them any of my money. All those UA-camrs like Upper Echelon, Jeremy from The Quartering and Az from Heelvsbabyface, who warned us about Epic at the very start, were so, so right.
Is it like a Walmart opening a store (fronting the costs of land, rent, etc), and another chain business wants to sell competing products in their store for free?
no its like walmart is only store on earth and for you to put an item in it is 30% in kaing your item to go there epic charges 5% after the 1st million you make or in there own store 12% and waves the above ...so you get a payment processor and store with many others in it. even warframe moved over and path a exile now. and even total war has games there...yup even gave us a free one.... haha and on dev side 18 million in freebies and counting to have fun with soubnds like your a communist that wants everythng on steam..is that cause most piracy is from steam and gog?
Corporation Vs Corporation I don't care, they're all bad, period. But if they attack and eat each other, let's just take a seat, get some popcorn and enjoy the show.🍿
The problem with the epic-apple lawsuit isn't that epic wants to use Apple's platform for free, is that Apple isn't allowing any alternative, you can't even install applications from other sources without rooting the device (jailbreaking on iphone). On android it's possible and there are many other sources, even FOSS sources (like fdroid).
That's because Android is Open Source and iOS isn't, it's not illegal and the Governments haven't seen any reason to regulate this practise because there is no need to since people aren't being scammed or having their details stolen.
@@CreativeWM_Personal Imagine buying a fridge and the only way to put a sticker on it would void your warranty (in addition to it requiring quite a high level of proficiency that 98% of said fridge owners will not have). That's basically the situation here.
@@meyes1098 Just admit that you want to pirate shit and be done with it, also a sticker on a fridge? That's the best you can come up with? Oh man Apple must scared now that you expose their anti sticker bias.
@@CreativeWM_Personal If I wanted to pirate shit on a mobile device, I wouldn't use such a garbage OS like Apple's, would I? If you can't understand a simple analogy, then I'm sorry but it's not the education system that failed, it's *you*
Outside of Epic interests, the fact that widespread hardware can only get new software via the manufacturer is a problem, and I think having the choice of alternative stores on consoles and otherwise would be a net benefit for the consumer. On Xbox it's not that strong of an issue since you have the affordable developer mode instead of an expensive development kit, but still, an alternative to the Microsoft Store would be a good thing imho.
The word "monopoly" has a bad reputation, but there is nothing negative about monopolies that form organically. Megacorporations using laws to keep themselves as the top is corrupt, but companies that are effectively monopolies rising to the top due of consumer choice is perfectly acceptable.
The main reason why is because they pretty much never form organically. It's kind of hard to conceptualise a product that has an objectively best version. Burgers, as a simple example, can be made a number of different ways. Are the cheap, shithouse burgers you get at McDonalds the 'best' a burger can be? Certainly if I want a burger for a couple bucks, but not everyone is so concerned about that. Are the burgers with unusual ingredients, from hole-in-the-wall places, 'best'? I certainly love goat or llama, but not everyone does. Are high-end burgers with wagyu beef the 'best'? Certainly if you have the money to spare, but 30 bucks for a single burger that isn't even a full meal is a rare treat that not everyone can afford. Pretty much the only times monopolies form organically is when one business discovers a method that makes their products far and away better than their competitors without increasing price. If McDonalds figured out how to serve wagyu for a couple bucks, they'd start to form a monopoly. But, that'd only last as long as the patent. It pretty much always does.
I can't say I agree regarding Apple be Microsoft/Sony example. The iPhone is a communications device that you can play games on... The store is a result of the device being very flexible and contains a bunch of different stuff... XBox and Play Station are both purpose built gaming machines with a system to distribute games built in...
I just feel bad for the game designers, development etc. at this point. They are no longer making games, but blatant cashgrabs, and they look at steam and say:" feathers, steam seems reasonable, in comparison"
The argument is is pretty much spoilt kid sees me with a better toy, then goes and sooks to the teacher . Even though the toy is mine trying to force the teacher to let them play with it
Now I have to look up anti trust laws and the arguments for the case. Something tells me there is a reason some of the things your think are bad arguments are being made.
A case study you can use is the separation of VISA from Bank of America. Epic reaaally have a good ground with that one. Or that one Win10 version Microsoft tried that only allowed apps from the Microsoft store. They got shit for that one.
You are right that Epic doesn't deserve to win. Apple should not be allowed to prevent me from installing whatever I want on MY devices, and to some extent, I believe Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo, should let me do whatever I want with the consoles I buy too.
Wait, tell me this..if epic wins, the monopoly will fall, meaning hardware exclusives will fall, right? So no more ps or xbox or apple exclusives? Every game for every platform? Is that one of the end outcome? ..if thats the case, i kinda want epic to win tbh.
While it may look like this, that may not necessary. The argument is over access to the storefront, not access to the game. That is a big distinction here.
If Epic Wins, Microsoft could force Sony to let them have Game Pass on the PS5, and Sony wouldn't be able to do jack shit because of this precedence. It would also mean Sony could do the same to Xbox, though.
This lawsuit is only the beginning. This is smartphone industry lawsuits 2.0. Billions of dollars will be lost. Mark my words. Whoever loses will be sued by more and more companies. Expect lots of collateral damage.
I would consider locked down hardware a monopoly because the barrier to switching requires buying a whole new device at full price. To switch between EGS and steam, you just need to install another app. A lose-lose for both companies would be if Apple can continue to keep iOS as is, but require a legit way to unlock the device and install a third party operating system with full support for all hardware features. Epic doesn't get EGS on iOS, but Apple can no longer dictate what users do with their iPhones or iPads if they install a third party OS.
This is what you get when you perceive the market leader as being 'monopoly', and devs/publishers utilizing the Steamworks DRM when they haven't release their game on GOG and everywhere else as 'exclusives'.
I believe that a monopoly could be considered a company that owns a specific percentage of a local, national, or international marketplace. Depending on the person, this percentage could vary. Personally, i find 35% or moor to be monopolistic.
If it's your store front, your hardware and such...then should be able to use it the way you want and only sell the products in a way that you see fit.
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How about no
How about yes
You touched on something regarding Microsoft, and I think that you can actually push a bit further on them. For example, all the file extensions they use on windows, they have basically monopolized the OS space alongside Apple by making it near impossible for other OS developers to make anything that could be supported and used without outside help (ie, steam proton).
I thought that the lawsuit was not to use the platform for free, but instead because of you’re forced to pay Apple without any alternatives, even if you make your own alternative. I thought America was about freedom.
this is so complex. google is not a monopoly when it comes to app store installation because of the ability to download apks or other store fronts while apple does not making them kind of a monopoly by locking the competition out. this is where its tricky because while they dont have a case against google. They do have a case against apple because they lock out apks preventing you from getting other app stores. thats where things become an issue for apple. It means that because no other app stores are allowed they do have a monopoly and since iphone is one of the biggest providers and the store has no competitors on that device. They had no chance in hell with google but with apple their flaw is the fact they lock out apks making it apple store only making it a technical monopoly. personally i think this is just epic grand standing on their pretentiousness but they do have a case which unless apple allows apks they do have a chance of winning.
never trust a CEO who claims they're fighting for the better good while giving you an inferior product and sign exclusivity deals
You had me at never trust a ceo
You literally described Bungie.
The better good? Their own good!
Since they add 1/3rd of the money they "saved" you into their own profit. In other words: They tried to raise their profit by almost 15% while pretending to be Robin Hood.
I agree, no one should ever buy an apple product.
ya like as a hobbyist dev i can make a game and 1st million is mine vs any other liscnese YOUR PAYING
like the over 18 million in freebies over 2.5 years and you cause your jealous and unable to get into it then wish to attack it
yup we see what you and upper are
cry babies that cant do soemhting with it so your attacking whatever
if they were to win apple suit they'd be able to have there own app store
and im betting the dev side drops to 12% and every dev would jump ship from apple's 30%
again you act like we devs making more money is terrible
are you fucking idiots LIKE FOR REAL
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Tim literally outed himself as the greedy little kid he is. When the court asked and I paraphrase "If apple offered Epic, and epic alone, a better deal, would you take it?" and he said "Yes" lol.
Unless there was a "or everyone gets a slightly worse deal (but better than status quo)" somewhere in there, I don't see how this shows Epic's greed. Companies negotiate better terms for themselves all the time.
@@Wix92 I don't mind him getting a better deal, it just show how his speech "I'll make the industry better" is just lies.
@@Wix92 after all those statements about ‘fighting for all developers’ and all those prepared statements and propaganda video entailing Apple as an evil entity, they should be ashamed of assuming a higher moral ground since it turns out that they might be only wanting the opportunity to negotiate a better deal at the end (which is a compromise, but utterly damaging and humiliating for Epic)
Tim just lied to those kids that he rallied to his cause. And made new enemies over the leaking of game industry secrets lol..
I don't know whether to feel shocked that Epics practices were so bad, amused at Ubi getting hosed, mad that epic violated their contract, or disappointed that I didn't get in line in time to take a drink from the fraud faucet.
Thing is.
People are hating on epic, not many people seek to realise that epic is but one of the many wolves out there pretending to be sheep.
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Most people are aware that various companies are dirty, it’s jus that here somehow it all got aired in public. That and it’s all in contradiction of these companies trying to claim to be moral, which is something no-one should be surprised by, and makes it clear that Epic has been talking out of they metaphorical rear-end.
its true Epic isnt the ONLY one, but Epic is the one that put itself out there. Epic is out there, plain to see. They put themselves on the chopping block. Which most companies are smart enough not to oust themselves. Epic pretty much admitted they were pieces of shit with the shitty exclusivity. Annd the Sales they've done without even telling developers anything about it.
@@IRMentat No I realize that which is why I refused to install their store. However, they happen to be right about Apple in this case.
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"fraud faucet" is the best turn of phrase I've read in a long while. Well done, kind sir. :-)
Hoeg Law is some serious big brain channel, dude's explanation of the US legal system in context makes it really easy to understand
He knows the audience he is explaining to for the most part are not in the legal sphere. So he has to "dumb" it down for us. I think its great coz legalese is a horrible thing to try to get your head around
@@The_Slavstralian that's for sure, but it is interesting from the perspective of a foreigner. Would be cool if the dude tackled more international law
Never seen this channel dude is blowing my mind
@@The_Slavstralian its really not that bad. It's just time consuming and social media has entirely decimated the remaining patience and attention span that we have as a species. By design of course...
So that people deliberately choose to be uninformed, making them likely to abdicate responsibility and self-atonomy. Ie: more likely to sell themselves into slavery because independence is hard and takes work to maintain.
Except gamers. Gamers in general (and on average) are more intelligent than the average social media addicted zoomer. Probably why they've tried to demonize and de-legitimize the industry since the 90s
Thank you
UEG is real game journalism
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Truth!!!!!!!!
he makes Jim Sterling look like a joke whilst still having opinions.
@@earthsteward70 Jim is a joke no matter what. Deeply messed up guy who should be lecturing no one.
@@iHaveTheDocuments HE'S A FUCKIN COMMIE
Epic doesn’t care about developers being treated fairly, they just wanted more money
Perhaps the same can be said of all Corporations.
Apple is a shit company, so is epic. But apple is in the right here. Contract is a contract, break it and pay the price
Color me shocked, a multi million dollar company that just wants money!
I didn't see that coming...
As an interesting thing to note, Apple actually have a new clause where if the yearly revenue made by a company is below 1 Million they'll only take 15 percent instead.
So like, It seems like the little guy has actually gotten a minor help from this massive lawsuit shining light on these practices.
Still fuck Epic mind you
@@quicksilver2k97 Best part is, Swindler Sweeney is always dogging on Steam for their 30% but quietly tries to tuck tail and run away from Apple's 30%. Where's the boastful "They don't need 30%" Sweeney about that? Oh, right... paying fines for breaking a contract. lol What an absolute tool Sweeney is.
Heres the thing... you CANNOT be a company that benefits from exclusivity, which Epic is absolutely doing, AND complain about monopoly. They are the exact same.
Apparently it is different when Epic does it.
I don't give a shit about Epic, but I really want Apple to be forced to open their devices for anyone to distribute for. Even if the decision comes down to allowing bootcamp on iPhone (iOS remains locked down, but installing Android, Linux, Windows, or even EpicOS would be a huge win in my book!)
Imagine if we have a whole bunch of competing iDevice OSs by Valve, Epic, the Linux community, and more, that would completely demolish monopolies where it counts.
@@blisphul8084 it would end with the unsupported mess that is Android. None of the manufacturers of Android devices including Google provide anything but extremely limited feature and security updates to existing devices. The real updates are only available for the next model.
@@blisphul8084 the precedent would effect more than just tech my dude. This is not just a controlled issue. It’s revolving around apples system and their own device. All of which is their own stuff. Key point, their stuff.
They aren't even remotely the same thing.
Are there competing stores to the epic store? Yes.
Does the app store have competition? No.
Sweeney Tim is not anyone's friend, doesn't care about people, doesn't care about Devs, he's just another Bobby Kotick. They are trying to sell that crap to the fools that will buy into it but it's a con, nothing more.
Like the old saying "let them fight"
Wait a minute... If Epic pays for exclusivity deals then, by their own definition, do THEY have a monopoly??
It does in terms of individual video game distribution rights. However, it seems like they're arguing about storefronts right now, which is different. On the PC, you do have a choice of different storefronts right now whereas that is not the case for Playstation or Xbox.
@@ohnosmoarlulcatz not sure it counts as choice considering Epic exclusivity deals being a big reason why anyone goes there.
@@Gakusangi Well how are you going to explain to the judge they have a monopoly? Please elaborate.
@@chrisll3438 I didn't say anything about a "monopoly", I said specifically that I'm not sure you can call it much of a "choice" if one of Epic's biggest selling points are making exclusivity deals with products that are in high demand. This filters customers directly to their store front since you can't get the "exclusive" product anyplace else. It's also not like when Valve has an exclusive title, because that's typically Valve making it or an extension of a Valve product. Epic does exclusivity deals with games that aren't even produced in-house or based on their in-house properties.
It's not hard to see what they're doing.
@@Gakusangi The thread ask if there is a monopoly, so there's no need for you to say it directly. If you are not arguing over a monopoly, and I mean no offense, you are changing the subject; worse, you are contributing to misunderstanding.
Doesn't tencent own a portion of Epic? Makes me wonder whose REALLY responsible for this LOLsuit...
Tencent owns 40%, so Tim Sweeney does still have a controlling interest last I checked.
Tencent own 48.5% of Epic - more importantly they have 2 seats on their Board of Directors (in perpetuity). And yes, Timmy's actions are clearly dictated by the CCP who are using litigation to try and get their own stores onto western devices, without paying anything to the platform holders. It's insidiously creepy.
Epic has always been a fraud... I mean look at their "Exclusive" deals on the Epic Games Store
I know they're scummy but a stopped clock is right twice a day and it happens to be correct right now.
@@deoxal7947 that’s a good metaphor mind if I use that
@@USosalla It's quite common, I didn't come up with it. Go right ahead.
The Epic games greed has no limits.
Where have they been greedy. Please tell me... they went out of their way to give indie developers are retroactive 18% cut to all earning. It is huge to indie developers.
@@Phoenix9q How about increasing their revenue from 70% to 80%? They were keeping 1/3rd of the "saved" money, an increase of almost 15% of their own revenue.
That 18% is peanuts compared to the big Fortnite V-Buck cashcow!
@@hotdognl70 them making a profit for a good job/product is not greedy. Go look at mobile who want $100 for a single skin or worse, now that's greedy.
I feel like Michael Jackson in a way from that thriller video, where he sits in the cinema and eating popcorn and just smiling at the entertainment.
It's close to midnight. Something evil is lurkin' in the dark... You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it.
Same, I see a way for the costumer to benefit regardless of outcome so either way we win and I'm just enjoying the show.
He also was a great business man so he would be laughing his a** off.
Hey, Get you hands off that little kid.
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Does Epic realize they have a Monopoly over their own store? Wouldn't that open them to suits? lol
Epic doesn't own PC or Windows as a platform and doesn't restrict you in any way from installing apps from outside of their store, or installing alternative stores in the way Apple does on iOS.
Lmao I guess when Apple makes a game and tries to put on their store we can see an Apple vs epic instead of epic vs Apple and maybe Mark Z will have his real identity leaked
@@JAN0L wish the lawsuit was about that, but as they tried to drag Google in as well it just showed they want access to the platform, its servers and its userbase without paying for it. Its absurd.
Not saying any of these companies are good, just that epic is really childish.
So by epics logic ,and the fact that fortnite is not just a game but rather a sort of "platform" shouldn't I be able to sell my stuff within the fortnite marketplace???
Epic has a walled garden storefront. They could be sued for not letting every dog and pony scam game on their storefront. What's to stop local farmers from forcing their way into the grocery stores directly?
The epic store has competition. You can get the same or competing products (games) from other sources (competition)
Apples app store does not have competition. You cannot get apps of any kind from anywhere else without having to acquire completely new hardware. This is a monopoly.
If Walmart was the only seller of bread, it would be a monopoly. If only game stop sold video games, it would be a monopoly.
You are, intentionally or not, conflating a product and a market. Game exclusivity affects a single product, that single product has competition, that competition makes up the market.
@IzoPacifist no the app store does not have competition. Apple has an absolute monopoly on the $50,000,000,000 a year market that is app distribution on ios. Not only do they have this monopoly, but they use their monopoly to crush competition to their services by banning competing apps, like game streaming service apps (Xbox, Shadow, Stsdia, etc.) gaming, in a complete not coincidence, makes up 72% of the revenue on apples app store.
The iPhone has competition. The apple app store does not.
The Google play store on the other hand is not the only app store on Android, which is a fact that Google probably wants to rectify
Epic wants to fight what they argue as a monopoly in order to become a monopoly, they clearly just don't want to pay their rent but continue to reside on the property.
And they even admitted it, apparently. There's a quote going around about a lawyer asking Sweeney at the trial if Epic would've backed down if they got special treatment from Apple, like Amazon seemingly has, and Sweeney promptly answered "yes". Don't know if it's true or taken out of context, I heard it on a Bellular News video and have yet to check this.
see comment way above i can install my games on any pc i own ...how is that then exclusive
OHHHH you mean cause as a dev 1st million is mine and after that i pay a measly 5%
ya vs steam 30% +5% and apple before this began was 30% + epic 5%
ya and epic wants to run its own app store
so then it would be to use there store 12% and they wave the 5%
so 18% +5=23% more in my bloody pocket i might even pass on as a dev some so we all benefit BUT NAAA lets rag on more
your stupide arent ya lets click you and see
yup no subs no content
steam troll again
@@chronosschiron Let's say Epic its case against Apple do you believe that the 30% cut that Apple was taking as a surcharge for doing business on their platform will turn into savings on the price on your end, of course not Epic wants the whole enchilada.
Epic has already established a price your willing to pay and then they get 100% instead of 70%, as for the subs, I'm not a creator and before accusing someone of being stupid learn to type English properly, use punctuation and grammar, your comment was somewhat difficult to read without this.
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let me say this not all devs would but look at my channel
thanks to epic during a pandemic i got to entertain and am even doing a stargate mega proiject that the stargate people know of and seem ok with
have fun ...and if i take out the one asset the gate then i can turn this into a actual game legally , as a bonus i literally never have to worry about copyrights as i legally own all the assets you see for use commerically as htey are all made and done in side unreal
i have 18 million in fireebies man
woa
so much shit my ancient hardware cant keep up , that is my main issue is hardware to do shit faster
i was till recently on a dual core intel slow as shit
with 10 year old graphic card
now i got a ryzen laptop and im loving it
chronoss chiron you idiot why would you get a discount? Only publishers would get the money not you. Not the devs. Theyll just charge you the same amount. And take more money. But epic is a rickety shack compared to humble and gog let alone steam and has massive leaks.
Going with this logic: So does epic games store is a monopoly, so does fortnite skin store is a monopoly
Epic game store no. There are multiple places to buy PC games, including directly from dev teams.
The fornite skin store is a monopoly, yes.
Not all monopolies are ilegal tho.
IP been the biggest example if these.
@@TUXmint the first comment with sense wow
@@TUXmint Thank you. All these butthurt people going full retard drunk off of epic hate mongering. I don't like epic as much as the next guy, but I know the difference between an apple and an orange.
@@TUXmint If you are not happy with an Audi, buy a Mercedes. If yoy are not happy with an iPhone, buy an android.
@@Jose-sl9gh IP law should be ripped into if not obliterated. Ideas are nonphysical and therefore can't be stolen.
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Some monopolies might always pop up but it should be impossible to maintain them for long. IP and copyright law helps keep them in place.
Epic shut down paragon. Can't forgive them for that....THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIIIIS!
And UT4. Same here.
Indeed.
This. Paragon was so damn good. I want my Belica back...
Now you know what UT fans feel.
Lol I read this whole thing in Jessie Pinkman’s voice.
I got a feeling Epic wouldn't be so litigious if the Epic Store was actually decent competition to Steam. They want their own "monopoly" heh
Obviously.
But hey, if this open up the ios ecosystem and even consoles ecosystem is a win for everyone
Exactly. Epic can slash store rates at no big loss and demand the same from others to maximize income from the (properly developed and maintained) platforms that already give Epic most of their revenue, which would more than compensate their loss in their own store.
The impression I've gotten is that EGS was created as a battering ram against Apple. It'd be harder to claim the 30% fee is unreasonable without somebody charging meaningfully less.
@@angrymokyuu1951 It would explain it's unfinished state
Tim Sweeney is literally how "cancer" would look in a human form.
I';m not surprised to see that Epic's terrible platform is having way more problems behind the scenes and isn't all sunshine and rainbows like Tim Weenie would like everyone to believe.
The walls are crashing down, love it
Videos like this is why UEG is the only right-wing UA-camr I listen to unironically :)
@@diegoarmando5489 more like bipartisan
Yeah man the gaming indestry is falling apart
@@diegoarmando5489 right wing lmfao 🤣
I forgot if its not far left, its all right.
Also you should probably listen to more "right wing" content creators. Might break the spell. 🤣
@@flosonasty7320 They call it "The Left Pole"... like how when you're at the north pole everywhere is south, when you're at the left pole everyone is right.
One thing I appreciate about you being demonetized all the time, YT puts less ads on your videos.
I use the app on my phone.
YT must have a sense of humor, because one of the mandatory three ad breaks was EXACTLY at the end of the Manscaped sponsor spot.
@@magetsalive5162 mine was quite close to the end of that also bahaha gave me a laugh
I'm an apple main. I do understand there are a few options, but it's hands down a worse YT experience with videos taking 5-10 minutes to load sometimes.
Newpipe is a thing you should check out :D
I love the documents revealing low numbers of user who uses EGS and the low sales from it. I'm so proud of this community.
I am, like so many others I think, the proud owner of an egs account that has never even seen a single digit of a credit card, I'm about 20-25 free games deep. I hope this shows up in their stats 🤣
They're playing the long game though. People with existing Steam libraries will not switch to Epic that easily, but when Epic's done with this there's probably a new generation of gamers out there who own most of their games on EGS. It's a sad future, but probably realistic...
i'll take exclusive stores over conoles anytime. Plus you are forgetting one benefit. if steam is down, you have other stores that aren't. Sure epic is greedy. But at least there are companies far worse than them.
The Epic Fortnite skin store is a monopoly, I want to sell my skins there.
You say it as a joke.
But you are right, other games do open their stores for user generated content. Mincraft, Roblox and Warframe come to mind.
Their PC store is a monopoly of their customer base. There for everyone should be able to sell their assets flips on the Epic store.
There is a distinct difference. I would consider locked down hardware a monopoly because the barrier to switching requires buying a whole new device at full price. To switch between EGS and steam, you just need to install another app.
A lose-lose for both companies would be if Apple can continue to keep iOS as is, but require a legit way to unlock the device and install a third party operating system with full support for all hardware features. Epic doesn't get EGS on iOS, but Apple can no longer dictate what users do with their iPhones or iPads if they install a third party OS.
@@blisphul8084 I have the feeling that with your logic Ferrari drivers are in their right mind if they expect their race car to be good off-road as well.
We're talking about a phone here: The main purpose is making phoncalls. Any other gadget on it is a bonus but not important.
If you pick a system for the gadgets, deal with the shortcommings or buy another system.
The OS is what makes the device working as it is and as guaranteed. Third party OS? Fine, but no more warranty.
@@hotdognl70 you're assuming people are able to pick their gadgets and afford to buy new ones. Whether it's a kid that was given a device as a gift, and wants to learn computer science, or a person in a developing country that can only afford whatever people are tossing out, for a lot of people buying a new device is simply not an option. Also the buy a new device solution is one reason why there's so much e-waste.
You have a monopoly on your house, I get to live here now.
You sold lots of iPhones but you don't allow users to install whatever crap they want on them, including mine. I get to have users be able to install my apps without you deciding what users can put or not on their phones.
If you try to make an app for an iPhone you will soon see who owns every iPhone, and it's not the consumer.
Still, best solution is to not buy an iPhone if you dislike not owning your phone. If you don't care or like it, then that's it. If no one ported their games to iPhone to not deal with their restrictions... but that's not what happens.
Imagine if the one that built your house gets to decide what you can install on your home and who's allowed inside. And also gets a cut of 30% of everything you buy, the fridge, chairs, everything, plus you must buy through him, you can't buy directly to a seller that makes the products.
@@forestrf Nah, imagine if they build a fence around their home, then tax people for leaving their home.
Uh no
Your phone is like a house which Apple sold to you, However, Apple also owns the streets and in real life everyone is allowed to use them.
Not only does Apple treat app devs terribly (see floatplane from ltt), they do not follow the app guidlines they hold over other devs.
Remember Apple tried to make it illegal to jailbreak iPhones too.
@@mawillix2018 That is actualy not far off the point. You buy a home, including the security system. And that system wants you to close the door when you leave you home.
The correct analogy would be:
You bought a house but now you can only get internet through your realtors company.
Epic " hey you make your patented item and selling it only on Your own store that's a monopoly and i shud get a share from that"
Swiney being Swiney. It's not cheating. It's Surprise tinkering.
Tim Sweeney is a child. Someone need to tell him NO. Lol. Thank you for the great vid
Please cover this more as more comes out about it man, this is really interesting.
McDonald's has monopoly over the McDonald's restaurants. I'm suing so that I can sell my own burgers at McDonald's.
It's not a McDonald's it's more akin to a Mall
@@092_deepak_kumar3 Its either 1) Epic wants to open another mall in Apple's mall, or 2) They think the current rent of mentioned mall is too high. While made a lot of money opening a Fortnite store in Apple's mall already.
McDonald's doesn't sell others peoples burgers at all so it's not much of a market place as it is a product or brand most like saying "a food court designed by McDonald's isn't letting burger king sell burgers for free" would be a more appropriate food analogy
@@kusazero the mail issue is not the store itself but Apple forcing developers to using their payment system for in-app purchases, it doesn't makes any sense to me why should someone pay Apple for the purchases happening in their app.
Except McDonalds is the only restaurant in town, it's made unreasonably difficult to cook on your own or for any other restaurants to open and if you want to eat anything else you have to move to another town where KFC is in the same position.
But it's not a monopoly because you're free to move I guess.
I know it's not 1-to-1 but I find it a bit hilarious how on one hand Epic is "forcing" people to adopt their storefront if they want to play certain games that Epic has exclusivity to but on the other hand they are trying to fight against an exclusive storefront.
Personally I have the Epic launcher but due to Unreal Engine. I do mostly get the free games but to this day I have not played any of them.
exactly...kinda like how they acquired rocket league and forced all players who already owned it to sign up with epic even if you were on console. I genuinely hope they lose
‘Do as I say, not as I do’
- Epic Games, from Tim Sweeney probably lol..
For me, this whole case is just who is the shiniest of 2 turds
For Honor has a ton of DLC packs that Ubisoft was banking on new players purchasing, which is why they absolutely didn't mind taking a small price from Epic for the base game.
Ubisoft also had given away the base version for free on Steam and on their own store before.
Oh, this is fascinating and hilarious to watch. Also, never thought about what UEG said about the gamer mindset, but I have a half dozen several hour long analyses on various games, so I can't disagree.
Anti-trust can also be applied to oligopolies. Tech is full of these and they need to loose their market dominance.
The big tech companies are being sued because their stores represent "vertically integrated monopolies".
Back in the day, movie studios had their own cinemas. If you wanted to watch a Universal movie you had to go to a Universal theater. If you wanted to see an MGM movie you had to go to an MGM theater, and so on. The US courts decided that these were vertically integrated monopolies and broke up the old studio system. Nowadays, you can go to potentially any cinema to watch a movie from whatever movie studio.
It is about time the law stepped in to regulate these damn tech giants.
All games should be available on all platforms! Don't listen to the lie that these companies are entitled to their own storefronts! I am dead serious!
Yet can you believe people are not only taking sides, out of sheer ignorance they take the side of Apple, too.
That isn't even remotely the same: plenty of apps are available on both iOS and Android. This would be closer to a studio suing a theater chain because they wanted a bigger share of the ticket sales.
@@angrymokyuu1951 Personally, I'd want another marketplace on ios. You might not, but other people would appreciate the variety... usually it means competitive platforms. That's a good thing, we need to make it clear that should be the outcome. It doesn't help that Epic has somewhat of a mixed rep.
@@chrisll3438 It'd be one thing if the smartphone market was all Apple, but Android is the dominant ecosystem. That means you have to actively choose to go to the one that advertises itself as restricted. Banning that business model in the general case eliminates an element of customer choice(which is the bit I'm against, despite it not being my cup of tea).
You have a monopoly on your Applebee's I'm setting up a lemonade stand in your lobby now
that's some OG move
more like you have one walmart store called apple to buy and sell in , should epic win it gets to ahve its own store and charge less then apple as it does wiht unreal engine
thats what you communists are defending , apple monopoly store
Never forget that Epic is Tencent and Tencent is China and thus at some level (conspiratorially I know) this chaos can be a win for China in the US v China battle.
And that can't happen. Too much ground is being lost daily as it is.
I really like channels like you that explain things in clear, concise terms with an eye for both the short and long term. Keep up the good work!
So the tech giants are having a giant Godzilla V. Mothra fight. I'm interested in seeing where this greed slap fight is taking the industry, especially as they're using skeletons previously located in closets.
"I agreed to your contract but now I don't like so I'm going to sue your ass" - (not so) Epic Games
Tim Sweeny is making it easier to sue Epic Games for exclusivity.
It would be poetic if Epic gets sued after winning their case.
and you have the 100% wrong ideal on whats going on
people make stuff with unreal engine for all platforms and you will have more developers doing more if they have to pay less to be in a store and why not have it uin epics stopre , winning would also mean steam could make an app store
as could ms and even sony
youd have more choices for more apps and more then likely cheaper
and it also could mean if you do the security right and have a proper payment place YOU TOO COULD have an app store
but naaa lets jsut all pay more and have less choices
chronoss chiron your the only one that is wrong here. If this goes through their will be no steam. No digital stores at all because everyone would want that digital storefront without paying rent and if no one pays rent the storefront cannot stand. So every single publisher will demand the own place to sell their products. And none of them will offer a discount in the slightest because they'll make more money selling full price and remain competitive with other stores. Epic store games are not cheaper than steam games for that very reason.
I got a scam ad before this video, to get "free" V-bucks. UA-cam sucks.
and you still use it lol
I don't think a company should be able to make hardware and then be the sole location to purchase for that hardware. Imagine if Microsoft forced you to buy all your software for Windows through the Microsoft Store.
But Apple is not the only phone make. You want more control then go for android. You want more security then go for apple.
@@Dumbird0 So how does apple's core taste? lmao
@@chrisll3438 I got android actually. im just saying why people would prefer apple
Meanwhile steam just kinda laughing
Steam has plenty of skeletons though, take the good with the bad.
It is kind like if you buy yourself a piece of land, there you build a big house from scratch and once it is finally done, you let people stay at place as long as they pay $30 to you from time to time - rent, basically. This scheme works great for years, but eventually comes an asshole guest and say that you have a monopoly IN YOUR HOUSE IN YOUR OWN PIECE OF LAND, and sue you for that because he/she does not want to pay rent to you... Google and Apple find their ways up the tech market (land), there they build their systems (houses) and let developers publish their games (guests). Them Epic comes along (the asshole guest) and starts to give them sh!t because it have to pay up to use their services. What the actual f*.
I see new UEG video; I hit that like button immediately.
I love watching greedy companies eat each other. It's like two kids fighting over a toy.
This case just gets better and better, for entertainment purposes. :)
Cant call people addicted to fortnite gamers. Thats like calling a tomato a human
Damn lol
I'm curious how this affects us and both sides goals in this really.
We've already gotten some information about this since Epic opened its store. For starters, we've seen the licensing cost of tools to develop video games go up while storefronts have started charging less per unit the more that is being sold. Many game engines for example, no longer offer perpetual licenses and instead use subscription based models or revenue sharing. In the long term, we may see a shorter life cycle of games where they get pulled off digital storefronts in 5 years or less instead of the current 10. This is seriously the first time in a long time where game development costs are actually going to up despite the past lies that companies like EA have been feeding us. EA on the other hand has Frostbite, so this actually won't affect them as much.
As consumers, we're starting to see a new era of console wars that are restricting content on some platforms and a price increase as well. In the last 10 years, the PC market has been thoroughly neglected, which is why we often get games released several months if not years later at a reduced price. But with the actions of Epic, we're starting to see a new kind of exclusive war where new games are only going to be on one platform and sales are going to be a lot rarer for those games due to the lack of competition between digital storefronts. Microsoft for example, has been delaying its releases on PC by at least three months and they tend to release at full price. Sony has been doing something similar except taking it one step further by restricting DLC content too. However, their exclusivity deal periods are measured in years. Epic also has a hand in restricting PC access to games too with Kingdom Hearts, which is why they've been allowed to charge 4x the price ($170) for a game that is 2 years old at this point. For reference, they're charging almost full price for each game and then compare it to the PS4 Kingdom Hearts All-in-One package ($40).
New storefronts will also not be able to compete with Epic pricing out the competition. They've essentially bought up exclusive rights to major titles like how EA has bought up the rights to all the sports games. Then, they hand out free copies of games they can't get exclusive rights to so that people won't buy from other stores. Unless you have massive money to burn like Epic does, you can't compete with that. And is this kind of model takes hold over what Steam does, we're going to see an overall decline in the quality of games as well without cross compatibility, cloud saves, forums, and other things to support these games on the PC.
So yeah, the damage is already there. But if Epic wins, we're going to see this taken up to the next level, which is going to be the scary part. Epic can afford to operate at a loss because of the Unreal Engine's dominance in the market provide them with a continuous stream of revenue. They're going to be able to use their deals to restrict access to games exclusively to their store and keep the prices of games high while others won't be able to do the same unless all other PC storefronts shut down. It's going to make it harder for other digital storefronts to compete with them while ensuring that the quality of service from said storefront takes a massive hit. It's going to be a major loss for consumers as a whole before the lawsuits of other platforms even matter. It won't affect Epic by much even if they host other games on their store because they don't provide the same services that these other platforms do.
@@ohnosmoarlulcatz that was a dope clarification of things goin on then . So in this case it's best that epic lose or is it more grey than black and white ? I've heard epic, apple ,. Etc aren't the good guys and that it's not goin to be a celebration no matter who wins this case
@@ohnosmoarlulcatz And if Apple wins they get their monopoly legally endorsed even further.
@@ImarBenIsrael You are correct that no one is the good guy, but there's a better guy. Epic in this case is the worst guy. Why? Their store offers no services.
Their store is minimalist and it feels like individual developers/publishers are developing the store features instead of Epic (I cannot confirm this, but this feels like the only reason why all their features are so inconsistently implemented), which is why support for pre-installs and cloud saves are spotty at best. It's because Epic seems to host little or nothing at all on their servers, which is why they can take a lower cut. Other stores cannot because of the services they provide.
If Epic wins, they'll essentially gain access to these services for free and so will everyone else. At that point, why would they provide those services anymore? We may see the Playstation Store drop all of its servers and just force the developer/publisher to do it. Costs for the developer would increase even further. Essentially, all platforms would be encouraged to provide the bare minimum like Epic. It would harm developers and publishers across the board.
@@fatcat2015 You're about 40 years late for that argument my friend.
To be fair, with Apple, there is no way to use an app without their store. With Android you can direct download an app .apk file and install it from anywhere, so they don't have an iron fist on what you install on your phone. Apple does. This is the a high chance this changes things to open up apple's OS if they lose. I think letting unapproved apps be installed is the easier option than giving up their storefront. If Epic are stupid they will push the storefront issue rather than the app install issue.
This is something I've been wondering about in regards to the obligation a company may or may not have to other entities. I mean, what is my obligation to any other company if I make a gizmo that runs my own OS? Do I have to allow other people to develop and distribute for it? It's sounds odd. This issue has been brought to courts over Microsoft before with their browser 'monopoly' on Windows, but what is the defining trait that got them there, is it simply the popularity of the OS? If my gizmo has a 1% world market share, will it be the same for courts as a gizmo that has 80% of the market share?
I'm not a big fan of Apple and having had to work with some of their enterprise/development tools has not left particularly good impressions though I've been out of it for about a year now. Even so, if they made the hardware or at least paid for it, they make and maintain the OS, they publish apps for their own benefit and user retention but what type of legal obligation would they have to open it up to competing companies. Epic suggests Apple would STILL have to develop and maintain their APIs and tools for the safety and optimization of apps made for iOS but that in return, see 0% revenue for it since those apps would be published by a competing store operation on the same OS they keep maintaining. Sounds to me like Epic thinks it's telling an intern to 'do it for the exposure'.
Further more, Epic agreed to Apple's conditions when they started developing for iOS and got their developer account. No private user ever reads the TOS but companies have lawyers on retainer for this exact purpose.
Do you think Microsoft should be entitled to 30% of all software that's sold and running on Windows?
They maintain the OS while allowing for competing storefronts as well as direct software installation and they're not going bankrupt.
@@JAN0L Of course it's sustainable but don't think MS aren't working in that direction. Windows S mode operating systems only works with apps from their own store. Microsoft just know that it's too late in the lifetime of a successful operating system to start restricting it now. S mode is already used to lock down education and enterprise machines to only use MS store software. Eventually that change will expand to home or even Professional systems, depending on how much they invest in their own store, so that users don't instantly feel locked out of the software they want to have.
Microsoft have such a gigantic market that they can't stay out of governmental inspection with their actions, but if they were the size of Apple in the mid 2000's, they would have done the same thing.
Besides, their largest source of income in the OS is companies and OEMs. Companies use a lot of proprietary software so restricting them is a challenge, but I assure you low level employees get the locked down S mode machine bought with bulk licenses by their firm from MS.
There was a bit more to the Microsoft case but the crux of the browser issue was that, at the time, browsers were sold on disk while Microsoft was giving IE away with the OS(which they also did with their server software - not at all incidentally Netscape's bread-and-better).
Bout time you dropped another video.
Epic has a habit of thinking it can just use shit for free.
So you have decided to be an apple cult member... SMH and the funny thing is you think you are objective.
Was I praising Apple or condemning Epic? Read before you speak and your less likely to come across as a tool.
@@craigcutler6919 Apple is a crappy company, so is Epic. Epic Games however, shouldn't win this case, because as we've seen, it's already opening a can of worms that could destroy console gaming, and make the PC platform a living shitshow...
@@Xyler94 Phones and consoles are not the same thing and even a child knows this but you have used your biases to convince yourself they are so you can feel good about your illogical pre-determined conclusion.
@@craigcutler6919 if only the law agreed with you.
If Epic Wins, it'll set a precedent that'll ripple throughout the console gaming space. The law won't care that "phones and consoles are different", all it'll see is that Sony's store is the only store that can install games onto PS5, just like how App Store is the only way to install apps onto iPhones. You're gonna say "But physical games", which are still highly controlled by Sony, and you can install apps via iTunes also.
So if Epic Wins, it opens up Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo for being sued the exact same way. If that's the future you want, then by all means...
Epic is that creepy uncle that insists in touching you in the corner while putting out a smile for nobody else to find out pretending he's your friend.
and he keeps giving you shitty free candies
3 subs are those all your alts by chance?
A friendly reminder that the purpose of any company is to earn money. That's it. Do not trust anyone who says that they "have your interests in mind"
Wow! I'm amazed at this stuff getting out into the public domain! I never trusted Epic from the get-go and have never subscribed to their store. Their lack of moral fiber is extraordinary. I have gone without games I really wanted to play at launch, rather than give them any of my money. All those UA-camrs like Upper Echelon, Jeremy from The Quartering and Az from Heelvsbabyface, who warned us about Epic at the very start, were so, so right.
This court case could have hugh implications for the "Right to Repair" Act.
Is it like a Walmart opening a store (fronting the costs of land, rent, etc), and another chain business wants to sell competing products in their store for free?
no its like walmart is only store on earth and for you to put an item in it is 30%
in kaing your item to go there epic charges 5% after the 1st million you make
or in there own store 12% and waves the above ...so you get a payment processor and store with many others in it.
even warframe moved over and path a exile now.
and even total war has games there...yup even gave us a free one....
haha
and on dev side 18 million in freebies and counting to have fun with
soubnds like your a communist that wants everythng on steam..is that cause most piracy is from steam and gog?
Corporation Vs Corporation
I don't care, they're all bad, period. But if they attack and eat each other, let's just take a seat, get some popcorn and enjoy the show.🍿
The problem with the epic-apple lawsuit isn't that epic wants to use Apple's platform for free, is that Apple isn't allowing any alternative, you can't even install applications from other sources without rooting the device (jailbreaking on iphone).
On android it's possible and there are many other sources, even FOSS sources (like fdroid).
That's because Android is Open Source and iOS isn't, it's not illegal and the Governments haven't seen any reason to regulate this practise because there is no need to since people aren't being scammed or having their details stolen.
@@CreativeWM_Personal
Imagine buying a fridge and the only way to put a sticker on it would void your warranty (in addition to it requiring quite a high level of proficiency that 98% of said fridge owners will not have).
That's basically the situation here.
@@meyes1098 Just admit that you want to pirate shit and be done with it, also a sticker on a fridge? That's the best you can come up with? Oh man Apple must scared now that you expose their anti sticker bias.
@@CreativeWM_Personal
If I wanted to pirate shit on a mobile device, I wouldn't use such a garbage OS like Apple's, would I?
If you can't understand a simple analogy, then I'm sorry but it's not the education system that failed, it's *you*
epic is in serious need of restructuring. I mean corporate greed is corporate greed but they going above and beyond
But what prey tell is beyond corporate greed? What would it even be called? Corporate avarice?
@@BladeMasterIcarus Wait till he finds out Apple has gone even further beyond "corporate avarice."
Outside of Epic interests, the fact that widespread hardware can only get new software via the manufacturer is a problem, and I think having the choice of alternative stores on consoles and otherwise would be a net benefit for the consumer. On Xbox it's not that strong of an issue since you have the affordable developer mode instead of an expensive development kit, but still, an alternative to the Microsoft Store would be a good thing imho.
Honestly all these emails and letters just confirm to me that Tim Sweeny has an unhealthy Messiah complex going on.
I feel like Apple can afford to fight epic in court much longer than epic can.
Wow... epic is like McDonald’s suing Burger King because they can’t sell their burgers in BK’s stores
The word "monopoly" has a bad reputation, but there is nothing negative about monopolies that form organically. Megacorporations using laws to keep themselves as the top is corrupt, but companies that are effectively monopolies rising to the top due of consumer choice is perfectly acceptable.
The main reason why is because they pretty much never form organically. It's kind of hard to conceptualise a product that has an objectively best version.
Burgers, as a simple example, can be made a number of different ways. Are the cheap, shithouse burgers you get at McDonalds the 'best' a burger can be? Certainly if I want a burger for a couple bucks, but not everyone is so concerned about that. Are the burgers with unusual ingredients, from hole-in-the-wall places, 'best'? I certainly love goat or llama, but not everyone does. Are high-end burgers with wagyu beef the 'best'? Certainly if you have the money to spare, but 30 bucks for a single burger that isn't even a full meal is a rare treat that not everyone can afford.
Pretty much the only times monopolies form organically is when one business discovers a method that makes their products far and away better than their competitors without increasing price. If McDonalds figured out how to serve wagyu for a couple bucks, they'd start to form a monopoly. But, that'd only last as long as the patent. It pretty much always does.
Been saying this since the early days of microtransactions, THIS INDUSTRY NEEDS REGULATING.
If epic vins, we should sue them as their platform is a monopoly and i want to sell my fortnite skins that I'll create... Sometime
I can't say I agree regarding Apple be Microsoft/Sony example. The iPhone is a communications device that you can play games on... The store is a result of the device being very flexible and contains a bunch of different stuff...
XBox and Play Station are both purpose built gaming machines with a system to distribute games built in...
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"But wait, there's more" I couldn't stop grinning after that part for a couple of minutes
Never thought I would be rooting for Apple to win anything but here we are..
You shouldn't be taking any side.
Always amusing to see the laundry basket shown for one and all.
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I just feel bad for the game designers, development etc. at this point. They are no longer making games, but blatant cashgrabs, and they look at steam and say:" feathers, steam seems reasonable, in comparison"
The argument is is pretty much spoilt kid sees me with a better toy, then goes and sooks to the teacher . Even though the toy is mine trying to force the teacher to let them play with it
This channel started as one thing and has become something else l. I really enjoy it! Do you know of anyone else doing similar be content?
Now I have to look up anti trust laws and the arguments for the case. Something tells me there is a reason some of the things your think are bad arguments are being made.
A case study you can use is the separation of VISA from Bank of America.
Epic reaaally have a good ground with that one.
Or that one Win10 version Microsoft tried that only allowed apps from the Microsoft store. They got shit for that one.
@@Jose-sl9gh do you have a citation to the case so I don’t have to look for it lol
@@infernodtw2423
I mean...
The fact that VISA and Bank of America are now 2 different companies is not good for you or what?
What do you expect? lol
Not a fan of Apple, but I wouldn't cry if they buried EPIC in court.
Dislike epic, but please elaborate how apple is any better, if not worse?
Edit: want to clarify that I dislike epic, too.
@@chrisll3438 They're not any better, or worse. To me, it's like watching two people you hate get into a fight -- someone's gotta lose.
When you think you can't dislike Epic any more than you already do, shitshow keeps on giving.
You are right that Epic doesn't deserve to win.
Apple should not be allowed to prevent me from installing whatever I want on MY devices, and to some extent, I believe Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo, should let me do whatever I want with the consoles I buy too.
Wait, tell me this..if epic wins, the monopoly will fall, meaning hardware exclusives will fall, right? So no more ps or xbox or apple exclusives? Every game for every platform? Is that one of the end outcome? ..if thats the case, i kinda want epic to win tbh.
yup
While it may look like this, that may not necessary. The argument is over access to the storefront, not access to the game. That is a big distinction here.
If Epic Wins, Microsoft could force Sony to let them have Game Pass on the PS5, and Sony wouldn't be able to do jack shit because of this precedence. It would also mean Sony could do the same to Xbox, though.
This Epic v Apple may turn out like The Barbera Streisand case.
More damage than good to all in the industry.
This lawsuit is only the beginning. This is smartphone industry lawsuits 2.0. Billions of dollars will be lost. Mark my words. Whoever loses will be sued by more and more companies.
Expect lots of collateral damage.
Doesn't this also damn Epic's own store front as a monopoly?
You don't think that far ahead, Apple Bad. Must sue.
I would consider locked down hardware a monopoly because the barrier to switching requires buying a whole new device at full price. To switch between EGS and steam, you just need to install another app.
A lose-lose for both companies would be if Apple can continue to keep iOS as is, but require a legit way to unlock the device and install a third party operating system with full support for all hardware features. Epic doesn't get EGS on iOS, but Apple can no longer dictate what users do with their iPhones or iPads if they install a third party OS.
They are about to be in a epic litigation.
*Insert Sitcom Laughter*
I know. I know. I'm hilarious.
This is what you get when you perceive the market leader as being 'monopoly', and devs/publishers utilizing the Steamworks DRM when they haven't release their game on GOG and everywhere else as 'exclusives'.
I believe that a monopoly could be considered a company that owns a specific percentage of a local, national, or international marketplace. Depending on the person, this percentage could vary. Personally, i find 35% or moor to be monopolistic.
If it's your store front, your hardware and such...then should be able to use it the way you want and only sell the products in a way that you see fit.
Epic is out of there mind.
If Epic wins this, there will be a real shitstorm in gaming industry, and it'll be glorious. I, actually, kinda look forward to it.
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