Me neither, I always just ignored her so I'm glad that moonkitti brings attention to the side characters that people might not have paid attention to otherwise.
Snowfur is obsessed with battle She wanted to aim at a disabled cats injury in battle Bluefur noticed a darkness in her eyes How has an Evil Snowfur AU not happened?!
It's not a miracle, it's actually detailed in the book itself: Bluefur got involved in his life just in time and Thistleclaw became too busy to continue grooming him at the same rate upon getting an apprentice
@@starvoltnexus3139Yeah but Tigerpaw was apparently “always gonna be evil” or smth, cus of the prophesy Goosefeather got when Tigerpaw was only a kitten
I’m surprised they weren’t disappointed. Imagine working so hard and then you get the same suffix as your sibling, plus it’s an uncreative one. I guess Pinestar was pretty checked out of his job by then
@@iyoteEspecially because they both were named after their pelt. Bluefur is blue-ish, and Snowfur is white like snow. It's just cute. Their names match.
This got me thinking. What if someone just... Doesn't like their warrior name? Not for any specific reason to whine *cough* flameheart *cough* they just don't like it.
Clan leader on their ninth life naming new warriors: "Pinefur...Clawfur...Troutfur...Longfur...Spiderfur...hmmm I need to think about this last one..........Songfur."
I always attributed the “Bluepaw assuming her mother would mentor her” thing to Bluepaw just REALLY missing her mother and coming up with any excuse to miss her. A lot of people do it.
i feel like part of the reason “soft snowfur” became such a thing in fandom depictions of snow/thistle is bc as a visual, snowfur being round and soft and thistleclaw being sharp and pointy is an aesthetically pleasing contrast. it really frustrates me that for as much as snowfur comes up in conversations defending thistleclaw or condemning bluestar, it feels like the fandom collectively forgot what snowfur was actually like when she was alive
Yeah I can see that, although I’d love to see more soft, squishy, serial killers in warrior cats. Being small and a girl doesn’t exempt you from being an unapologetically terrible person and warriors refuses to acknowledge that.
There could be something to say about Snowfur, who died while her only child was in the nursery because she was eager to return to battle, choosing to look after her sister’s dead kit in the afterlife. It could show how she realized how she took for granted her brief time as a mother (not saying there’s anything bad with a woman not wanting to be a mother ofc) Bluefur would blame herself for Snowfur’s passing when it was absolutely Snowfur’s fault. You can’t really pin it on the Shadowclan cats because Snowfur always seems so eager to fight. Her to then realize she missed being a mother and taking care of her sister’s child has a lot of meaning Of course, most of this is seemingly on accident. It feels like these cats turn into completely different character in each new story they appear in
I also think it adds a nice touch of gratitude. Bluefur looked out for Whitekit after Snowfur died so it's nice to have Snowfur return the favor with Mosskit so to say. Being there for your nephew/niece when their mother can't.
Seeing people portray Snowfur as innocent never failed to surprise me. Girl was so ready paint the ground with blood and clobber any weak spot she could find on her opponent-
I reread Bluestar's Prophecy recently, and I was really surprised by how fandom projects and the simple passage of time colored my opinion of Snowfur. She definitely felt meaner and more prone to violence on my reread, especially after Thistleclaw gets introduced. Rip Snowfur. The prettiest kitty with a surprising violent streak.
When I read Bluestars prophecy I was surprised that Snowfur was a lot more snappy and violent than what the fandom makes her out to be, she died chasing a warrior she wanted to fight but she’s portrayed as an innocent angel; I know this is a unpopular opinion but I think if she had lived she would have probably encouraged Thistleclaw’s bloodthirsty side if he had become leader.
maturing is realizing you can agree that bluestars prophecy isn't a great book and even made weird retcon-y choices, but still enjoying it dfgsfd lol honestly I like remembering snowfur as bluestars more chaotic/battle hungry sister, bluestar was definitely the chill one out of the two of them
Suddenly Snowfur is probably a new favorite of mine !! Surprising violent-streak for a cat I thought had just been the "tragic dead sister/wife" character
I remember someone telling another person on youtube that Snowfur and Thistleclaw got along because they were both battle-hungry meatheads. When they claimed Snowfur wasn’t like that, the person pointed out how Snowfur was always eager to fight off potential enemies and scoffed at the idea of peace. And the more I thought about it, the more it made sense. It always annoyed me how people try to blame Bluestar for Snowfur’s death when it was pretty much her own fault for wanting to fight the ShadowClan cats off the thunderpath instead of going back to camp to report them like Bluefur wanted. Don’t get me wrong, I like Snowfur, but she definitely wasn’t some sweet innocent character that people tend to portray her as.
I think Snowfur is one of the prettiest she-cats in the series: White as snow, blue eyes and black tips on her ears, soo cuteeee- Edit: Actually, she had dark gray tips.
@@Starlight_787-r9k To be sure, I just skimmed Bluestar's Prophecy and went to where I remember Snowfur being described right in chapter one. "Snowkit, lying stretched on her back, was all white except for her gray ear tips." So not silver (as her mother was) as I remembered, but not black either.
what you said about snowfur always trying to convince bluefur to get along with thistleclaw and not the other way around made my brain jump to a thought about how sometimes people who have toxic relationships (any kind) will tell the people who they feel safer around to placate the toxic person because, even if not consciously, they trust/hope that it'll be easier to change the nicer person's mind than it would be to try and change the toxic person, even if that doesn't always end up being how things work. Obv idk authors' intent and I'm not necessarily saying that snowfur was scared or abused or anything like that just based on The One Detail that sparked this thought, but I do think it can be read as another aspect of snowfur and bluefur's closeness pretty reasonably regardless of if it was intentional or not now that i'm thinking about it lol
I used to always think Thistleclaw was an interesting villain, but honestly, the fandom gaslighting Bluestar into being the "actually bad person" in the relationship really put me off of him before even Spottedleaf's Heart could. Like I know Bluestar isn't a perfect person but she was right about the child abuser being untrustworthy considering he, yknow, nearly killed a defenseless child for no reason.
She’s giving lynx ears, I forever will draw her with big floppa ears Part 2 rambling: I will die on this hill I think Bluestar’s warrior name should’ve been Blueflower or Bluemoon in honor of her mother. I could also see a Bluefall warrior name as well after Sunstar.
I think it would be really cool to have a talking video about Sunstar I feel like he was very overlooked compared to Bluestar and Pinestar and he only got 8 lives instead of 9
Please if you do a Sunstar talking, mention Featherwhisker. PLEASE. I love these two so much, a brother duo being medicine cat and leader?? It just sounds fuckin awesome.
I love Sunstar. I hate how so many ppl in the community say he did "nothing" as leader but he lost all his lives in such a short time period!! I really want to read something from his or Featherwhisker's POV someday
I remember not being fond of Snowfur when I read the book as a child (probably because of how she was unabling Thistleclaw) and was surprised when I saw how the fandom depicted her as a sweet innocent angel. But tbf the fandom is weird with Bluestar Prophecy, acting like Thistleclaw was a poor innocent angel too. I sometimes feels like we didn't read the same book But this video ""reassures"" me I was not missremembering the book x) I'm planning on re-reading it but it's not going to happen before a while (lots of books to read)
@@kittenpuke8918 Yup, people were seeing him like that. Maybe not under this video, but there is people who tjink that way. I even saw people say that his behaviour in Spottedleaf Heart was only because the author wanted to prove that he was evil.
It'd be cool if Russetfur gets a mini talk. She's been a deputy for so long and also has been alive since arc 1 up until her death. I like how feisty she is
Snowfur's a really interesting character when you look at how she behaves in Bluestar's prophecy. I totally get all the reasons people dislike the book (there are a few decisions I'm not fond of either) but it's still one of my favorites, esp for the relationship between the sisters. I have also had to deal with my loved ones getting into relationships with some questionable people & relate a lot to Bluefur in that regard, lol. Also I REALLY appreciate the breakdown of why Bluefur isn't an unreliable narrator about Thistleclaw. The way people talk about her actions in that book in general are really frustrating - acting like she's too judgemental towards Mr. Kit Murder, acting like she's an irredeemably awful mother for giving up her kits, & acting like she was obligated to return Thrushpelt's feelings
Oh absolutely - It gets my goat when people say that 'she should've become Thrushpelt's mate' as if she owned him a favour; Thrushpelt was very kind to help Bluestar out, but that doesn't mean Bluestar should be obliged to be his mate! Especially since that would demean his own character further on top of it, since we have so many 'nice-guy' cats in Warriors like Ashfur and Bumblestripe.
@@dinolil1474 Exactly! He's a great character and the take that he was owed affection or that Bluestar was somehow stupid or ungrateful not to return his feelings really does him a disservice.
This is really deep tbh. I like this message about not reducing this character to just her labels. Like, she was a character with a life, complex relationships and such. Great video!!! ❤️
ThistleClaw might only be saying that there’s no fire in his sons belly because he’s essentially teaching a toddler how to fight instead of a teenager and thoroughly exhausting him. And can’t see that
I remain in my headcanon world that kits who die and go to starclan grow until they’re just apprentice age or just under. Remain looking a bit youthful compared to the warriors but still grown enough for it to not be. Weird.
Agree agree agree. The whole "kits are still tiny in StarClan" always made me a little weirded out and sad. Meanwhile, I can picture them being ehh, around 6 or so moons old in StarClan and it makes a lot more sense.
real because like if a tiny newborn baby kit Dies i mean staying as a fetus baby in heaven would be kinda lackluster they’d at least wanna be able to play with the other kits there
I'll love to see you talk about Thrushpelt, although only having a prominent role in one book he's an extremely popular character in the fandom. I also think he's the goodest boy and needs to be talked about
i always saw pinestar giving them matching names as like, solidifying their bond but the interpretation he just couldnt think of anything is really funny
I'd love to hear your full thoughts on Bluestar's Prophecy. It's actually one of my favorite super editions because I feel it ENHANCES Bluestar's character. I feel like it it rewrites Bluestar from "old lady losing her mind" to "poor soul beaten down over and over who finally snaps." I also like that it shows Bluestar has a unique way of grieving compared to other characters. I feel like she's completely in character the idea book, and I like the focus on her relationships with other characters. Plus, making Whitestorm her nephew is genius. But I'd genuinely like to know what makes you dislike it?
Personally, I agree on the Bluestar front. To me, it makes much more narrative sense for her to finally snap after enduring tragedy after tragedy after tragedy and just continously bottling up all her feelings, than it does for her to snap just bc of Tigerclaw (considering we never actually see much of their relationship or even hear about it after the fact). To me, it makes a lot of sense as a 'straw that finally broke the camel's back' scenario
imagine Pinestar giving these two cats warrior names- “ Bluepaw, you will now be named Bluefur, and Snowpaw, to Snowfur” Clan mates- “BlueFUR! SnowFUR! BlueFUR! SnowFUR!”
I knew there was a reason I loved her beyond "tragic dead queen!" Is been years since I read the book and that was all I remembered about her, but I also remembered loving her for reasons long forgotten. Thank you!
I always saw the two as making each other worse. I really like that she contrasts Bluefur so much, it makes her a stronger character than kind mother (tm)
Honestly, in AUs where Snowfur lives, I prefer ones where Thistleclaw makes her worse rather than her fixing him. Not in the way of a certain book, of course, she has standards and would not let Thistleclaw do…that, but I’d prefer to see her become more corrupted and turn into a villain, maybe turning against Bluestar, using her halfClan relationship against her to force Bluefur not to do anything about Thistleclaw while he’s hurting others, etc.
@@vanillaplanifoliae Exactly. A little like “At least Whitepaw is still alive. You wouldn’t want Sunstar to know about Mosskit, would you, Bluefur?” “Y-you knew?!” “I do. And I couldn’t believe my own sister could be as much of a traitor as you. You have a choice to make. One more interference with Thistleclaw, and I’ll make it for you.” Something along those lines.
If snowfur had lived and thistleclaw became leader I'm just imagining a timeline where thistleclaw and snowfur are bloodthristy warriors in battle along with an apprentice whitepaw but thistleclaw is now soley responsible for his wife death as she dies similiar to moonflower in battle with another clan
Didn't realize how much I needed this mini-talking, as I have so much nostalgia for bluestars prophecy. It's been a long time since I read it, and I'm sure it wouldn't hold up to time; but still. Always love to see talking about a bit more obscure warrior cats
I remember reading TPB and noticing Bluestar and Whitestorm were really close, I was wondering why until I read Bluestar’s prophecy and it all came together! I was so happy tbh
The innocence the Warriors fandom portrays Snowfur as. Is just the opposite of how the Wings Of Fire fandom portrays Albatross She's an innocent motherly little baby guy's trust! No murderous malicious intent here! Totally didn't try to aim for an injury of a disabled cat, chase several cats who were already fleeing, or complain about raising her own kid. He's a cold-blooded killer with no sense of mercy guys's trust. He totally wasn't a victim of abuse by his own siblings, only used as a tool, and got the Andy to Woody "I don't want to play with you anymore" treatment as soon as Fathom existed. It is interesting to see how fandom can warp how we perceive characters sometimes; honestly, these are two excellent examples of why it's important to come to your own opinions instead of relying on a community
I don’t Snowfur complaining about staying in the nursery all day makes her bad, just that she was frustrated. She obviously loved Whitekit, just didn’t like how she had to stay confined in the nursery until he became apprenticed. And she’s definitely allowed to feel that way. Everything else though, yeah not good. As for Albatross, yes it was obvious he was abused, but that still doesn’t make what he did right. If he had just killed Lagoon it would be more understandable, but instead he massacred nearly all of his innocent family members. Including a SkyWing princess who had nothing to do with his family’s affairs. Albatross wasn’t downright evil, but he also wasn’t a pure victim either.
@@CircusSabre I'm saying the fandom portrays him as a shallow one-note psychotic murderer, a lot of the fandom portrays him as sadistically grinning as he's killing everyone which is not how it went down in the book at all. The fact is that the majority of the fandom glosses over the abuse he endured through the majority of his life up to his breaking point. The sheer guilt he felt when he enchanted shells to bite off Sapphire's claws. The fact he dismissed Sapphire's and Lagoon's abuse towards him as "just being siblings" Fathom even questions that he and Pearl have never acted that way towards each other not to mention that one scene doesn't cover all the other times Albatross's sisters have harassed him. Then you have Lagoon's actions towards him when she became queen. She outright kept mentioning what Albatross did to Sapphire despite the fact he'd flinch (obviously haunted by his actions considering it was an accident, and he had no clue he was an animus) whenever it was brought up, and using it as an excuse to guilt him by saying "You'll never be done after what you did to her." Lagoon also kept telling him that he was now expendable with Fathom around after he refused to enchant Lagoon with something that would kill any heir who challenged her, and she basically said "I don't need. I'll just get Fathom to do it for me instead." All of this adds up to why he went mad and finally snapped at the party, but the community tends to portray him as a manically laughing one-note character of who he actually is. By the moment he snaps he's fed up, he's cold, he shows little anger, and not even a smirk or smile, just a man dead inside from years of torment with nothing really to lose by that point. It's mentioned he was barely close to his family, and the only dragon from the family he was beginning to get close to was Fathom, but he started to associate Fathom as his replacement.
I think Snowfur's perception as dead Mom/Sister might also be fandom's poor recollection of this book. Me persoanlly, the only thing I remember about Snowfur was her untimely death while her son was still a kitten and how heartbreaking that was for both Whitekit and Bluefur.
Bluefur and Snowfur always reminded me of myself and my younger sister. I was always "destined to be great" as the eldest sister and my younger sister and I were both headstrong, moody, and still get at each other's throats sometimes even as adults. While I'll always see myself more as a Squirrelflight type of personality, I think the Bluefur/Snowfur relationship is really realistic to how a lot of sister duos can be IRL. We care about each other lots but also see each other's worst sides. My sis and I are also both neurodivergent and I see a lot of that in how Blue and Snow have a hard time managing their emotions.
Talk about Crookedstar! He is my favorite character and arguably the best disability representation in the whole series. His book is also my all time favorite book
Snowfur used to be my favourite warrior cat when i was like. Seven years old watching warrior cats amvs like "oh my!! Pretty white kitty !!! Wow!" And now im realising shes kind of like me. Just kind of stays happy even if bad things happen? Kind of ignoring people's bad qualities because OMG PERSON!!! WOW!!! Out for blood? Reckless? yeah...
I love the idea of a slightly unhinged slightly bloodthirsty Snowfur so much more than the "oh she was just a sweet baby" trope that you see thrown onto a lot of female characters in general. Honestly this made me like her more as a character xD
I'd love to see a Snowfur novella. I think it'd add more pieces to what her thoughts are like and how she goes through and handles things. I do believe she was like Thistleclaw to a degree, less bloodthirsty? More power or strength hungry in a way. She probably became more that way after the Thunderclan and Windclan battle, or even Thistleclaw coaxing her. While Snowfur had a big part in Bluestars prophecy, and even a small role in Spottedleafs heart, we never actually get to see her thought process, how she handled things, or even her moments with Thistleclaw. She could've easily been manipulated by him, almost like Spottedleaf was. While she is looking for strength, especially for her clan, she does care about those who are close to her. Thistleclaw being one of those cats. She grew up with him, literally. I think a Snowfur Novella would put more puzzle pieces into the character that she is.
I'd love a talking or mini talking about Feathertail! Feathertail is my favorite character and it'd be interesting to see what you think of her and her being a child of the worst romance trope in Warrior Cats.
I never got why people portray snowfur as soft and innocent, she seemed more aggressive than bluefur did, i could see an au where if she didnt die (maybe bluefur did instead?) and thistleclaw became leader he'd definitely make her his deputy and inadvertently make her even more aggressive lol. honestly ik super editions usually dont change pov (maybe more recent ones do i havent kept up since oots tbh) it would have been really interesting to get some snowfur pov before she dies.
I know their releated so maybe the parrels were intentional, but for me, it is so sad that both Snowfur & Whitestrom died without getting to truly know their kits. Whitestorm died with the fates of the clans up in the air. Snowfur died when Whitekit was just a kitten. Also not to mention Whitestorm had to watch his aunt/ leader slowly lose herself and saw Sorrelkit who his daughter be posioned by Darkstripe a fellow clanmate. Yes Sorrelkit recovered but still was presumably a lot
as someone who has not read a warriors book in a million years i appreciate this video for opening my eyes to how much cooler canon snowfur is over fanon
there was a scene in Bluestars Prophcey where, Bluefur caught thistleclaw entering twoleg place most likely to torment kittypets and straight up threatens Bluestar, he was never a good cat.
Maybe I just forgot what happened in Bluestar’s prophecy but I was always kinda annoyed that they never just had normal, nice conversations with each other. Bluestar is constantly being jealous or overall mean to Snowfur even though we’re always being told that they had a great relationship and then they don’t actually seem to trust or be close to one another
Not Snowfur related but you gotta love how Curlfeather is everything fandom wishes/thinks Thistleclaw was but Curlfeather gets demonized and written off as nothing but evil meanwhile Thistleclaw is seen as a victim of Bluestar's unfair hatred and bad writing who could have been saved by his wife
Bluestar is seen as a bad character.. but she is an amazing cat.. Without bluestar the clans would’ve died off from the dogs.. Bluestars past actions are kinda petty, but as you look into them, you can tell she had a reason for acting that way.. ❤
I forgot if they mentioned it in this video,but in crookedstars promise,snowpaw comes to help bluepaw fight crookedpaw while riverclan is trying to take sunning rocks. He does run away lol
I actually did re-read (listen to) Bluestar's Prophecy and was surprised by how battle-hungry Snowfur was lmao, way more fighty than I remembered and that the fandom portrays
I love how Snowfur goes against the typical "sweet, perfect, little innocent angel" personality that female characters are often seen having. She's tomboyish as shown by her craze for fighting and her loud, energetic, and wreckless self. I love that about her and its why she's one of my favorite characters, because you don't see a personality like that with many female characters. I find it funny how Thistleclaw says that Whitepaw takes after his mom because he's soft and wont train the way he wants him too, when Snowfur was literally a war hungry, bloodthirsty, wreckless, loud, yet well-meaning little tyrant. I never paid much attention to her, but after hearing more about her story without having to read 'Bluestar's Prophecy', I appreciate her existance more now
STILL think that Tigerclaw being Snowfur's kit and Whitestorm essentially given Thrushpelt's role as an unrelated guy who she trusts would have made so much more sense.
SnowThistle is literally the “I could make him worse” meme
they could have been such a power couple as villains tbh. I need an au right now...
@@notoriusbookworm48 THAT WOULD BE SO COOL OMG
@@notoriusbookworm48 _OH_ I really like how you think!!!
I always found it funny how Bluekit named Thistlekit and then they grow up to hate each other
Same. It's so incredibly ironic and it's hilarious
Ikr ^x^
The actual prophecy was Bluekit naming her mortal enemy, thus creating him
frrrs, I'm surprised bluefur never mentioned that to thistlekit tho
Damn, never realized how bloodthirsty Snowfur was.
Me neither, I always just ignored her so I'm glad that moonkitti brings attention to the side characters that people might not have paid attention to otherwise.
Yeah, it definitely makes her a more interesting character.
Tbh everyone was brainwashed by cinnamon Snowfur they forgot Snowfur was a violent girlboss (we love to see it)
Snowfur is obsessed with battle
She wanted to aim at a disabled cats injury in battle
Bluefur noticed a darkness in her eyes
How has an Evil Snowfur AU not happened?!
U sparked an idea 0_0
Ooo nice idea
@@pinky0558 Somebody write an Evil Snowfur Au please!
yoink
No wonder Thistleclaw loved her
What I'm getting from this is it's a miracle Whitestorm turned out so normal given his bloodthirsty parents. 😂
It's not a miracle, it's actually detailed in the book itself: Bluefur got involved in his life just in time and Thistleclaw became too busy to continue grooming him at the same rate upon getting an apprentice
@@Moonkitti good thing blue came to her senses then..
@@Moonkitti also hiiii
@@Moonkitti yeah but that would ultimately lead to poor Tiger Paw getting groomed, so it was really who’s gonna become Cat Enemy number 1 coin toss
@@starvoltnexus3139Yeah but Tigerpaw was apparently “always gonna be evil” or smth, cus of the prophesy Goosefeather got when Tigerpaw was only a kitten
Imo "Snowstorm" and "Blueflower" would have been much more fitting names for the sisters, especially cause then Whitestorm's name honors his mother
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@@Moonkitti she's good at what she does
@@Moonkitti leafstar sure does have a lot of alternative accounts
Apparently Bluestar's warrior name was originally going to be Bluestone.
I will always remember Snowfur for the fact that she and Bluestar were given the same suffix.
I’m surprised they weren’t disappointed. Imagine working so hard and then you get the same suffix as your sibling, plus it’s an uncreative one. I guess Pinestar was pretty checked out of his job by then
I always thought it was cute, because they were close as siblings
@@iyoteEspecially because they both were named after their pelt. Bluefur is blue-ish, and Snowfur is white like snow. It's just cute. Their names match.
I thought that was so cute honestly
This got me thinking. What if someone just... Doesn't like their warrior name? Not for any specific reason to whine *cough* flameheart *cough* they just don't like it.
Clan leader on their ninth life naming new warriors: "Pinefur...Clawfur...Troutfur...Longfur...Spiderfur...hmmm I need to think about this last one..........Songfur."
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spiderfur makes me think of tarantula hairs ..
@@flamboyantroachthat’d be a great name for a spikey-furred cat
Clawfur is kinda based won’t lie
Cedarstar: and Clawface!
Fur as white as snow, ears as black as ebony and paws red with blood.
I demand we get a fanfiction showing off Snowfur's bloodthirsty side with this description in it. Chilling, love it
That line goes so hard ✊️🙂↕️
Snowfur
I always attributed the “Bluepaw assuming her mother would mentor her” thing to Bluepaw just REALLY missing her mother and coming up with any excuse to miss her. A lot of people do it.
i feel like part of the reason “soft snowfur” became such a thing in fandom depictions of snow/thistle is bc as a visual, snowfur being round and soft and thistleclaw being sharp and pointy is an aesthetically pleasing contrast. it really frustrates me that for as much as snowfur comes up in conversations defending thistleclaw or condemning bluestar, it feels like the fandom collectively forgot what snowfur was actually like when she was alive
Yeah I can see that, although I’d love to see more soft, squishy, serial killers in warrior cats. Being small and a girl doesn’t exempt you from being an unapologetically terrible person and warriors refuses to acknowledge that.
There could be something to say about Snowfur, who died while her only child was in the nursery because she was eager to return to battle, choosing to look after her sister’s dead kit in the afterlife.
It could show how she realized how she took for granted her brief time as a mother (not saying there’s anything bad with a woman not wanting to be a mother ofc)
Bluefur would blame herself for Snowfur’s passing when it was absolutely Snowfur’s fault. You can’t really pin it on the Shadowclan cats because Snowfur always seems so eager to fight. Her to then realize she missed being a mother and taking care of her sister’s child has a lot of meaning
Of course, most of this is seemingly on accident. It feels like these cats turn into completely different character in each new story they appear in
I also think it adds a nice touch of gratitude. Bluefur looked out for Whitekit after Snowfur died so it's nice to have Snowfur return the favor with Mosskit so to say. Being there for your nephew/niece when their mother can't.
Seeing people portray Snowfur as innocent never failed to surprise me. Girl was so ready paint the ground with blood and clobber any weak spot she could find on her opponent-
I reread Bluestar's Prophecy recently, and I was really surprised by how fandom projects and the simple passage of time colored my opinion of Snowfur. She definitely felt meaner and more prone to violence on my reread, especially after Thistleclaw gets introduced.
Rip Snowfur. The prettiest kitty with a surprising violent streak.
When I read Bluestars prophecy I was surprised that Snowfur was a lot more snappy and violent than what the fandom makes her out to be, she died chasing a warrior she wanted to fight but she’s portrayed as an innocent angel; I know this is a unpopular opinion but I think if she had lived she would have probably encouraged Thistleclaw’s bloodthirsty side if he had become leader.
maturing is realizing you can agree that bluestars prophecy isn't a great book and even made weird retcon-y choices, but still enjoying it dfgsfd lol
honestly I like remembering snowfur as bluestars more chaotic/battle hungry sister, bluestar was definitely the chill one out of the two of them
Yeahhh
the blue battle cat book has a very special place in my heart despite all of its traumatizing birth scenes
Even with its mistakes it was one of my favorite books as a kid
Suddenly Snowfur is probably a new favorite of mine !! Surprising violent-streak for a cat I thought had just been the "tragic dead sister/wife" character
She’s more negative than those characters usually are in personality so that’s unique
“Mini-talking”
*posts a 24-minute video*
lol
I'm so happy someone else sees that Snowfur didn't tame or soften Thistleclaw and that they both were very battle hungry
HONEY FUR !HONEY FUR!i need a mini talking on honey fur ,even tho there is almost nothing to talk about -
HONEYFUR!!!! love her
😂 you probably don't love her as much as Berrynose
He moved on pretty quick
@@ursascorner4865wdym ??im not really talking about honeyFERN ,but honey fur or honey fern ,I’d like a mini talking on any of them !(mostly honey fur)
To clear confusion ,I’m talking about honey FUR
I remember someone telling another person on youtube that Snowfur and Thistleclaw got along because they were both battle-hungry meatheads. When they claimed Snowfur wasn’t like that, the person pointed out how Snowfur was always eager to fight off potential enemies and scoffed at the idea of peace.
And the more I thought about it, the more it made sense. It always annoyed me how people try to blame Bluestar for Snowfur’s death when it was pretty much her own fault for wanting to fight the ShadowClan cats off the thunderpath instead of going back to camp to report them like Bluefur wanted. Don’t get me wrong, I like Snowfur, but she definitely wasn’t some sweet innocent character that people tend to portray her as.
I think Snowfur is one of the prettiest she-cats in the series: White as snow, blue eyes and black tips on her ears, soo cuteeee-
Edit: Actually, she had dark gray tips.
I thought she had silver tips?
@@ApricityGlow She actually had black ones
@@Starlight_787-r9k To be sure, I just skimmed Bluestar's Prophecy and went to where I remember Snowfur being described right in chapter one.
"Snowkit, lying stretched on her back, was all white except for her gray ear tips."
So not silver (as her mother was) as I remembered, but not black either.
@@ApricityGlow Idk, in her Wiki says that she had black tips and in almost all the maps she appears with it.
@nobody-qv9cn Yup, she's beautiful 💕
what you said about snowfur always trying to convince bluefur to get along with thistleclaw and not the other way around made my brain jump to a thought about how sometimes people who have toxic relationships (any kind) will tell the people who they feel safer around to placate the toxic person because, even if not consciously, they trust/hope that it'll be easier to change the nicer person's mind than it would be to try and change the toxic person, even if that doesn't always end up being how things work.
Obv idk authors' intent and I'm not necessarily saying that snowfur was scared or abused or anything like that just based on The One Detail that sparked this thought, but I do think it can be read as another aspect of snowfur and bluefur's closeness pretty reasonably regardless of if it was intentional or not now that i'm thinking about it lol
I used to always think Thistleclaw was an interesting villain, but honestly, the fandom gaslighting Bluestar into being the "actually bad person" in the relationship really put me off of him before even Spottedleaf's Heart could. Like I know Bluestar isn't a perfect person but she was right about the child abuser being untrustworthy considering he, yknow, nearly killed a defenseless child for no reason.
8:36 SnowFur: ThistleClaw is a Good Guy I swear!
ThistleClaw: Demonic screeching maniacal laughter in the background as he is soaked in blood
She’s giving lynx ears, I forever will draw her with big floppa ears
Part 2 rambling: I will die on this hill I think Bluestar’s warrior name should’ve been Blueflower or Bluemoon in honor of her mother. I could also see a Bluefall warrior name as well after Sunstar.
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I like Blueflame.
Her french name (Lune Bleue) actually does translate to Bluemoon!
Bluemoon is awesome
@@foxygrin What do you think of Blueflame?
snowfur will always be the tragic romance sacrifice
I think it would be really cool to have a talking video about Sunstar I feel like he was very overlooked compared to Bluestar and Pinestar and he only got 8 lives instead of 9
Please if you do a Sunstar talking, mention Featherwhisker. PLEASE. I love these two so much, a brother duo being medicine cat and leader?? It just sounds fuckin awesome.
I love Sunstar. I hate how so many ppl in the community say he did "nothing" as leader but he lost all his lives in such a short time period!! I really want to read something from his or Featherwhisker's POV someday
I remember not being fond of Snowfur when I read the book as a child (probably because of how she was unabling Thistleclaw) and was surprised when I saw how the fandom depicted her as a sweet innocent angel.
But tbf the fandom is weird with Bluestar Prophecy, acting like Thistleclaw was a poor innocent angel too. I sometimes feels like we didn't read the same book
But this video ""reassures"" me
I was not missremembering the book x) I'm planning on re-reading it but it's not going to happen before a while (lots of books to read)
Do people view him like that? Most I comments I see go “he should never come back again because he’s a pedo.”
@@kittenpuke8918 Yup, people were seeing him like that. Maybe not under this video, but there is people who tjink that way. I even saw people say that his behaviour in Spottedleaf Heart was only because the author wanted to prove that he was evil.
Gee, I'm sure the fandom won't try to overcorrect their interpretation of her by depicting her as a violent murder monster villain...
It'd be cool if Russetfur gets a mini talk. She's been a deputy for so long and also has been alive since arc 1 up until her death. I like how feisty she is
Snowfur's a really interesting character when you look at how she behaves in Bluestar's prophecy. I totally get all the reasons people dislike the book (there are a few decisions I'm not fond of either) but it's still one of my favorites, esp for the relationship between the sisters. I have also had to deal with my loved ones getting into relationships with some questionable people & relate a lot to Bluefur in that regard, lol.
Also I REALLY appreciate the breakdown of why Bluefur isn't an unreliable narrator about Thistleclaw. The way people talk about her actions in that book in general are really frustrating - acting like she's too judgemental towards Mr. Kit Murder, acting like she's an irredeemably awful mother for giving up her kits, & acting like she was obligated to return Thrushpelt's feelings
Oh absolutely - It gets my goat when people say that 'she should've become Thrushpelt's mate' as if she owned him a favour; Thrushpelt was very kind to help Bluestar out, but that doesn't mean Bluestar should be obliged to be his mate! Especially since that would demean his own character further on top of it, since we have so many 'nice-guy' cats in Warriors like Ashfur and Bumblestripe.
@@dinolil1474 Exactly! He's a great character and the take that he was owed affection or that Bluestar was somehow stupid or ungrateful not to return his feelings really does him a disservice.
I wish they’d done Bluemoon and Snowflower to honor Moonflower :/
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I like Blueflame and Snowflame.
And the fact that Bluestar was originally supposed to have Moon in her name --
@@warriorofdramaclan8107 Source?
This is really deep tbh. I like this message about not reducing this character to just her labels. Like, she was a character with a life, complex relationships and such. Great video!!! ❤️
ThistleClaw might only be saying that there’s no fire in his sons belly because he’s essentially teaching a toddler how to fight instead of a teenager and thoroughly exhausting him. And can’t see that
I remain in my headcanon world that kits who die and go to starclan grow until they’re just apprentice age or just under. Remain looking a bit youthful compared to the warriors but still grown enough for it to not be. Weird.
Agree agree agree. The whole "kits are still tiny in StarClan" always made me a little weirded out and sad.
Meanwhile, I can picture them being ehh, around 6 or so moons old in StarClan and it makes a lot more sense.
real because like if a tiny newborn baby kit Dies i mean staying as a fetus baby in heaven would be kinda lackluster they’d at least wanna be able to play with the other kits there
I'll love to see you talk about Thrushpelt, although only having a prominent role in one book he's an extremely popular character in the fandom. I also think he's the goodest boy and needs to be talked about
have you seen her thrushpelt speedpaint? pretty sure she talks a bit about him there!
goodest guy *cough * dated spmeone 12 moons younger than him *cough *
@@ratxentherat , compared to other ships that isn't that bad, and Thrushpelt wasn't into her until Bluefur was a warrior
@@Daisyyskies pinestar wasnt into leopardfoot until she was a warrior, doesnt make it good
@@ratxentherat , Pinestar and Leopardfoot had a worse age gap. Pinestar was already leader when Leopardfoot was a KIT
i always saw pinestar giving them matching names as like, solidifying their bond but the interpretation he just couldnt think of anything is really funny
Snowfur and Thistleclaw could've been the best villain duo
I'd love to hear your full thoughts on Bluestar's Prophecy. It's actually one of my favorite super editions because I feel it ENHANCES Bluestar's character. I feel like it it rewrites Bluestar from "old lady losing her mind" to "poor soul beaten down over and over who finally snaps." I also like that it shows Bluestar has a unique way of grieving compared to other characters.
I feel like she's completely in character the idea book, and I like the focus on her relationships with other characters. Plus, making Whitestorm her nephew is genius.
But I'd genuinely like to know what makes you dislike it?
Personally, I agree on the Bluestar front. To me, it makes much more narrative sense for her to finally snap after enduring tragedy after tragedy after tragedy and just continously bottling up all her feelings, than it does for her to snap just bc of Tigerclaw (considering we never actually see much of their relationship or even hear about it after the fact). To me, it makes a lot of sense as a 'straw that finally broke the camel's back' scenario
imagine Pinestar giving these two cats warrior names- “ Bluepaw, you will now be named Bluefur, and Snowpaw, to Snowfur”
Clan mates- “BlueFUR! SnowFUR! BlueFUR! SnowFUR!”
I knew there was a reason I loved her beyond "tragic dead queen!" Is been years since I read the book and that was all I remembered about her, but I also remembered loving her for reasons long forgotten. Thank you!
I always saw the two as making each other worse. I really like that she contrasts Bluefur so much, it makes her a stronger character than kind mother (tm)
Honestly, in AUs where Snowfur lives, I prefer ones where Thistleclaw makes her worse rather than her fixing him. Not in the way of a certain book, of course, she has standards and would not let Thistleclaw do…that, but I’d prefer to see her become more corrupted and turn into a villain, maybe turning against Bluestar, using her halfClan relationship against her to force Bluefur not to do anything about Thistleclaw while he’s hurting others, etc.
omg cat blackmail
@@vanillaplanifoliae Exactly. A little like
“At least Whitepaw is still alive. You wouldn’t want Sunstar to know about Mosskit, would you, Bluefur?”
“Y-you knew?!”
“I do. And I couldn’t believe my own sister could be as much of a traitor as you. You have a choice to make. One more interference with Thistleclaw, and I’ll make it for you.”
Something along those lines.
Oh yeahh, the whole reason Snowfur died was because she loves to absolutely shred her enemies!
Good for her.
Also Thistleclaw sucks.
ive always loved snowfur specifically bc of this!! she is so violent and bloodthirsty and those traits for a she cat in warriors is SO rare!!!
WE LOVE MOONKITTI WE ALL SAY IN UNISON
*WE LOVE MOONKITTI* /p
WE LOVE MOONKITTI
WE LOVE MOONKITTI
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If snowfur had lived and thistleclaw became leader I'm just imagining a timeline where thistleclaw and snowfur are bloodthristy warriors in battle along with an apprentice whitepaw but thistleclaw is now soley responsible for his wife death as she dies similiar to moonflower in battle with another clan
Didn't realize how much I needed this mini-talking, as I have so much nostalgia for bluestars prophecy. It's been a long time since I read it, and I'm sure it wouldn't hold up to time; but still. Always love to see talking about a bit more obscure warrior cats
I remember reading TPB and noticing Bluestar and Whitestorm were really close, I was wondering why until I read Bluestar’s prophecy and it all came together! I was so happy tbh
The fact that Moonflower makes excuses for Stormtail after realizing what Goosefeather’s Curse implied is so… Eugh.
I get the feeling that Snowfur dying saved Whitestorm from becoming Tigerclaw
“Thanks for dying, I honestly didn’t want a carbon copy of you and Thistleclaw in personality”
The innocence the Warriors fandom portrays Snowfur as. Is just the opposite of how the Wings Of Fire fandom portrays Albatross
She's an innocent motherly little baby guy's trust! No murderous malicious intent here! Totally didn't try to aim for an injury of a disabled cat, chase several cats who were already fleeing, or complain about raising her own kid.
He's a cold-blooded killer with no sense of mercy guys's trust. He totally wasn't a victim of abuse by his own siblings, only used as a tool, and got the Andy to Woody "I don't want to play with you anymore" treatment as soon as Fathom existed.
It is interesting to see how fandom can warp how we perceive characters sometimes; honestly, these are two excellent examples of why it's important to come to your own opinions instead of relying on a community
I don’t Snowfur complaining about staying in the nursery all day makes her bad, just that she was frustrated. She obviously loved Whitekit, just didn’t like how she had to stay confined in the nursery until he became apprenticed. And she’s definitely allowed to feel that way. Everything else though, yeah not good.
As for Albatross, yes it was obvious he was abused, but that still doesn’t make what he did right. If he had just killed Lagoon it would be more understandable, but instead he massacred nearly all of his innocent family members. Including a SkyWing princess who had nothing to do with his family’s affairs. Albatross wasn’t downright evil, but he also wasn’t a pure victim either.
agree with you on the wof part, so much of the fandom mischaracterizes its characters
Bestie albatross killed innocents
@@CircusSabre I'm saying the fandom portrays him as a shallow one-note psychotic murderer, a lot of the fandom portrays him as sadistically grinning as he's killing everyone which is not how it went down in the book at all. The fact is that the majority of the fandom glosses over the abuse he endured through the majority of his life up to his breaking point.
The sheer guilt he felt when he enchanted shells to bite off Sapphire's claws.
The fact he dismissed Sapphire's and Lagoon's abuse towards him as "just being siblings" Fathom even questions that he and Pearl have never acted that way towards each other not to mention that one scene doesn't cover all the other times Albatross's sisters have harassed him.
Then you have Lagoon's actions towards him when she became queen. She outright kept mentioning what Albatross did to Sapphire despite the fact he'd flinch (obviously haunted by his actions considering it was an accident, and he had no clue he was an animus) whenever it was brought up, and using it as an excuse to guilt him by saying "You'll never be done after what you did to her."
Lagoon also kept telling him that he was now expendable with Fathom around after he refused to enchant Lagoon with something that would kill any heir who challenged her, and she basically said "I don't need. I'll just get Fathom to do it for me instead."
All of this adds up to why he went mad and finally snapped at the party, but the community tends to portray him as a manically laughing one-note character of who he actually is.
By the moment he snaps he's fed up, he's cold, he shows little anger, and not even a smirk or smile, just a man dead inside from years of torment with nothing really to lose by that point. It's mentioned he was barely close to his family, and the only dragon from the family he was beginning to get close to was Fathom, but he started to associate Fathom as his replacement.
I think Snowfur's perception as dead Mom/Sister might also be fandom's poor recollection of this book. Me persoanlly, the only thing I remember about Snowfur was her untimely death while her son was still a kitten and how heartbreaking that was for both Whitekit and Bluefur.
Bluefur and Snowfur always reminded me of myself and my younger sister. I was always "destined to be great" as the eldest sister and my younger sister and I were both headstrong, moody, and still get at each other's throats sometimes even as adults. While I'll always see myself more as a Squirrelflight type of personality, I think the Bluefur/Snowfur relationship is really realistic to how a lot of sister duos can be IRL. We care about each other lots but also see each other's worst sides. My sis and I are also both neurodivergent and I see a lot of that in how Blue and Snow have a hard time managing their emotions.
Talk about Crookedstar! He is my favorite character and arguably the best disability representation in the whole series. His book is also my all time favorite book
Snowfur used to be my favourite warrior cat when i was like. Seven years old watching warrior cats amvs like "oh my!! Pretty white kitty !!! Wow!" And now im realising shes kind of like me. Just kind of stays happy even if bad things happen? Kind of ignoring people's bad qualities because OMG PERSON!!! WOW!!! Out for blood? Reckless? yeah...
I love the idea of a slightly unhinged slightly bloodthirsty Snowfur so much more than the "oh she was just a sweet baby" trope that you see thrown onto a lot of female characters in general. Honestly this made me like her more as a character xD
I'd love to see a Snowfur novella. I think it'd add more pieces to what her thoughts are like and how she goes through and handles things. I do believe she was like Thistleclaw to a degree, less bloodthirsty? More power or strength hungry in a way. She probably became more that way after the Thunderclan and Windclan battle, or even Thistleclaw coaxing her. While Snowfur had a big part in Bluestars prophecy, and even a small role in Spottedleafs heart, we never actually get to see her thought process, how she handled things, or even her moments with Thistleclaw. She could've easily been manipulated by him, almost like Spottedleaf was. While she is looking for strength, especially for her clan, she does care about those who are close to her. Thistleclaw being one of those cats. She grew up with him, literally.
I think a Snowfur Novella would put more puzzle pieces into the character that she is.
I suggest for the next mini talk to talk about Greywing and/or Clearsky because I feel like DOTC doesn't get as much love as it should!
Too much for a mini talk in those guys
Mega talk pls? 😂❤
I think a good character for the next mini talking would be Littlecloud I think that he is interesting and I would like to see your take on him
I suggested this like a year ago!! Super glad to see her getting talked about, I love Snowfur :)
WAKE UP THE QUEEN HAS POSTED!!1!
I'd love a talking or mini talking about Feathertail! Feathertail is my favorite character and it'd be interesting to see what you think of her and her being a child of the worst romance trope in Warrior Cats.
he makes her purr 💀
"He makes me PURR~" - Snowfur probably
I did read Bluestar's prophecy but I had forgotten how bloodthirsty Snowfur was
Please do a vid on Foxleap. I BEG OF YOU. I LOVE FOXLEAP
I'm rereading oots and yes, he's ADORABLE
I've seen a headcanon that Foxleap has ADHD, and I love it.
SAME! I love foxleap and Iceclpud
Thank you for drawing attention to a character’s personality in a way I’d never realised. Love Snowfur now. The OG Ivypool.
I would like a mini talk about Bumble from dotc. I think about how they treated her a lot.
Edit: We got more than mini, YEEEAAAAH
I never got why people portray snowfur as soft and innocent, she seemed more aggressive than bluefur did, i could see an au where if she didnt die (maybe bluefur did instead?) and thistleclaw became leader he'd definitely make her his deputy and inadvertently make her even more aggressive lol.
honestly ik super editions usually dont change pov (maybe more recent ones do i havent kept up since oots tbh) it would have been really interesting to get some snowfur pov before she dies.
I know their releated so maybe the parrels were intentional, but for me, it is so sad that both Snowfur & Whitestrom died without getting to truly know their kits. Whitestorm died with the fates of the clans up in the air. Snowfur died when Whitekit was just a kitten. Also not to mention Whitestorm had to watch his aunt/ leader slowly lose herself and saw Sorrelkit who his daughter be posioned by Darkstripe a fellow clanmate. Yes Sorrelkit recovered but still was presumably a lot
as someone who has not read a warriors book in a million years i appreciate this video for opening my eyes to how much cooler canon snowfur is over fanon
there was a scene in Bluestars Prophcey where, Bluefur caught thistleclaw entering twoleg place most likely to torment kittypets and straight up threatens Bluestar, he was never a good cat.
0:55 looking at some of the original covers I'm happy that the polish ones have their own cover art which is truly beautiful
Maybe I just forgot what happened in Bluestar’s prophecy but I was always kinda annoyed that they never just had normal, nice conversations with each other. Bluestar is constantly being jealous or overall mean to Snowfur even though we’re always being told that they had a great relationship and then they don’t actually seem to trust or be close to one another
I AM THE #1 SNOWFUR FAN
In a just world, Snowfur would have lived and both her and Thistleclaw could have gone down the path of villainy together.
SNOWFUR ! MY BELOVED!
well what if snowfur was my BEHATED huh 😈😈
Snowfur OUR beloved! /silly
oh yea!! I really wanted to hear something about Snowfur! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH
oh and BlueFUR and SnowFUR LOL❤😂
Not Snowfur related but you gotta love how Curlfeather is everything fandom wishes/thinks Thistleclaw was but Curlfeather gets demonized and written off as nothing but evil meanwhile Thistleclaw is seen as a victim of Bluestar's unfair hatred and bad writing who could have been saved by his wife
Bluestar is seen as a bad character.. but she is an amazing cat..
Without bluestar the clans would’ve died off from the dogs..
Bluestars past actions are kinda petty, but as you look into them, you can tell she had a reason for acting that way.. ❤
She looks like Akira in your style and I love that. All love given to Akira :)
I didn't know I needed Crookedstar with glasses until today.
I love when you do videos on characters that are total non-characters in my mind. Genuinely. It's new and fun to me :>
3:05 Soooo, kittyo happily eats drugs at Young age but is seen as an innocent Angel 💀
I forgot if they mentioned it in this video,but in crookedstars promise,snowpaw comes to help bluepaw fight crookedpaw while riverclan is trying to take sunning rocks. He does run away lol
Day 1 of asking Moonkitti for a Star Flower talking video
I need an evil Snowfur au where she and Thistle are just mutually insane
I love Snowfur she's so chaotic and cute
i didnt know anything about this character and i have left this video educated
Snowfur was secretely eager for fight (maybe secretely evil), Thistleclaw is evil.... what if Whitestorm was also evil deep inside?
People aren't born evil, evil is not genetic.
Yay Moonkitti posted !!
I like Snowfur.
I actually did re-read (listen to) Bluestar's Prophecy and was surprised by how battle-hungry Snowfur was lmao, way more fighty than I remembered and that the fandom portrays
This may be way a little bit off topic, but…
Why aren’t there any evil snowfur AU’s?
I'm sure there are somewhere. But I always find "evil aus" lack the nuance that would make their changes interesting
0:46 YHE BUNNIES I CANT
Snoofer time
I love how Snowfur goes against the typical "sweet, perfect, little innocent angel" personality that female characters are often seen having. She's tomboyish as shown by her craze for fighting and her loud, energetic, and wreckless self. I love that about her and its why she's one of my favorite characters, because you don't see a personality like that with many female characters. I find it funny how Thistleclaw says that Whitepaw takes after his mom because he's soft and wont train the way he wants him too, when Snowfur was literally a war hungry, bloodthirsty, wreckless, loud, yet well-meaning little tyrant. I never paid much attention to her, but after hearing more about her story without having to read 'Bluestar's Prophecy', I appreciate her existance more now
STILL think that Tigerclaw being Snowfur's kit and Whitestorm essentially given Thrushpelt's role as an unrelated guy who she trusts would have made so much more sense.