And the western part fells(current eastern rome) and the persian empire is the successor of the romans then they merge with indians and the process continues
Christianity would easily be the largest religion because it was prolesitizing, while Zoroastrianism wasn't. Mesopotamia was majority Christian and you could find Christians in the Iranian half of the Empire up to Central Asia and even among the Turks but not the reverse. Only in parts of Anatolia could you find fire worshippers.
@@PersianSoulShiraz Well, just calling the groups in Anatolia just "Zoroastrian" may not be accurate either due to the theories of when the Parsi religion of today first appeared. Maybe, I should have used "Magi" instead.
The Zoroastrian clergy would intervene and there would be a coup against Khosrow or he'd be assassinated, this is a fun idea but pretty much impossible to have ever been possible
first of all this is really cool as a iranian who has studied culture of that time i have to say if the union happened it would be hard to break it and here are my reasons before Zoroastrianism in iran there was a form of (mostly ununified) religion called mithraism it was widely spread in iran and and then it went to roman elites in iran Zoroastrianism was largely based on mithraism (for people approval) and christianity when it was becoming the state religion of rome also had a lot in common with Mithraism (for example the most prominent one that still exists if yalda in iran and christmas which if you search about it they are basically the same) so the base of both cultures go back to one and in that time the zoroastrian clergy were failing for corruption and many more reasons and people were not strict zoroastrian anymore so it is very likely if the emperor sees this for him to try convert iran to some form of christianity and merge the two states together both politically and culturally
That would have been fantastic. Could have stopped the Islamic invasions in their tracks. But thanks to Phocas, who overthrew and murdered Maurice, an all out Sassanid war was ignited, decimating both empires.
@omaroragb We are talking about an alternate timeline. What allowed Islam to spread was the last Persian-Byzantine war, which caused both empires to become weak so that they could be overrun. In this timeline, Islam would not have been able to break out. Maybe they would send missionaries but there would have been a lot less of them to begin with, and it most certainly does contain all sorts of Arab cultural aspects. It's because of Islam that most people in the MENA region think they are Arabs, but then when they go in for a DNA test it turns out they aren't. They were Arabized. In this alternate timeline Islam would have probably just become like Judaism. They would have probably also modified it to suit the needs of their situation after a while.
I strongly dislike the AI footage, i will always hate AI "art", I would much rather see a videogame footage like Total War or just a documentary clip. Nonetheless, this is a very good video.
Fair. They had a limited holiday season deal where you could generate unlimited video footage even if you only have the $20 a month version so I figured I’d make use of it tbh
cool, but I doubt they woulf take all of the sahara and the sahel region, for the same reason neither Rome, nor the byzantines, nor the arabs and nor the ottomans did
NEVER thought about this BUT always thought if WE Rome and Germania could have joined. ANOTHER combo is Richard the Lionheart`s sister marrying Saldin's brother. Christianity and Islem uniting.
@@APXWOX Richard did not control Christianity either. Forgive Me. Two of the great leaders of each faith UNITING their family AND negotiations were ongoing (It almost happened) Though Richard`s Mom was CATHOLIC and may have had a lot of conditions. BUT before the Crusades if Rome had incorporated more of the Germans (who were already a part of the legions) well maybe we could all still be ROMAN.
6:31 ITS LIT! But yeah, no, this is mad implausible. The most likely effect of a ruler with claims to both empires (being raised in both at points) is that he has no real connection to either people, either religion or either aristocracy, and would be subject to all manner of foreign rebellion and palace intrigue wherever he made his home. We tend to look at diversity as a strength these days but with such divided attentions it would have been impossible to "unite" the empires over the course of a generation. Mauricius simply could not have been in two places at the same time and that was a damning prospect for even his IRL predecessors in Byzantium and Eran who each only had one empire to look after and were overthrown anyway.
This makes me want a series of “what if famous rivals united“ so like Greece and Turkey or the UK and France or Germany and France or China and Japan or the USA and Russia
Their ruler having simultaneously the title of Caesar, Shahanshah and Huangdi even the title of Khan/Khagan since the Tang under Taizong would later conquer the Gokturk
Firstly this is great timeline but from what I see I dont think the Franks would not hold out against the advancing Roman-Iranian Superstate because in contrast to the Arabian Invasion that came from Iberia, the Franks would be facing two nightmarish overwhelming forces from Roman-Iranian Iberia and Italy.
Caracalla could’ve taken that advantage. But the shah of the weaken Parthian empire decided not to. And had he allowed the marriage pact to happen, Parthia would’ve survived. With Rome as its partner.
The formation of the union is not unrealistic but the union surviving for more than 10 days is ; challenge impossible don't start a civil war in Roman-Iranian union for two seconds
Although the history was good I think you were completely incorrect when religion came up, first the Catholic Church existed before the Byzantine empire it was established by Saint Paul the Apostle, Islam would never grow to prominence without conquest and I doubt a merging of Christianity and Zoroastrianism given that Zoroastrianism is a false religion
As explained in the video, the Sassanids were the dynasty that controlled the Persian (really the Iranian but in the West it’s often misnamed Persia) Empire at the time, we just now call it the Sassanid Empire to distinguish it from the Achaemenid and Parthian rulers of Iran.
Why does Rome not control all of Italy? Nor any other more western territories. This was not explained, and was rather bemusing. Also, stymieing was pronounced incorrectly 7:24 It is correctly pronounced with sty like a pigsty rather than like the sti from stick.
The Western Roman Empire fell by 476, leaving the Eastern Roman Empire to survive and continue fighting the Sassanids more or less exactly as they had for the past few hundred years. The Eastern Roman Empire reconquered Italy a few decades later, but quickly lost control over parts of Italy due to invasions by the Lombards. By the time the video takes place, they only controlled pockets of Italy as shown in the video. Rome was not the capital of the Empire at this point, and had not been for hundreds of years. The capital was Constantinople, modern day Istanbul. This video starts in the year 590.
@rippedlincoln I know, but it should be explained for the sake of the video. Most people don't even know that the eastern half of the Roman Empire survived, let alone that they reclaimed portions of the territory. Some more background information would improve the video's accessibility.
One issue I have from the beginning. It wasn't the Persians who fought Rome. It was the Parthian Empire, then the Sassanid Empire. That said, as always, interesting premise.
And the western part fells(current eastern rome) and the persian empire is the successor of the romans then they merge with indians and the process continues
Eventually after several thousand years the cycle leads around the earth to the Roman Empire ending up back in control of the entire Med again
China is the third Rome! :D
And the Incan Western Rome falls as the Eastern Spain remains
@henrykkeszenowicz4664 Aztecs will become the Holy Incan Empire
"Greco-Persian Empire", definitely an offensive term to give to its inhabitants
The Helleno-Iranian Empire
Roman
In hebrew we have a saying: "2 fight, and the third takes" this perfectly describes the Byzantines, Persians, and Arabs conflict
Didnt the same thing happen with the mongol empire?
Christianity would easily be the largest religion because it was prolesitizing, while Zoroastrianism wasn't. Mesopotamia was majority Christian and you could find Christians in the Iranian half of the Empire up to Central Asia and even among the Turks but not the reverse. Only in parts of Anatolia could you find fire worshippers.
And Persia would probably convert to Christianity
Not really and Zoroastrians aren't fire worshippers.
Fire Worshippers isnt really friendly dude...
@@nishantduhan1 Exactly
@@PersianSoulShiraz Well, just calling the groups in Anatolia just "Zoroastrian" may not be accurate either due to the theories of when the Parsi religion of today first appeared. Maybe, I should have used "Magi" instead.
This is another fictional timeline I wish I could live in.
At first glance this looks like the most disgusting union ever to pass through somebody's mind
Thanks
Understatement of the year, dude 😵
The Zoroastrian clergy would intervene and there would be a coup against Khosrow or he'd be assassinated, this is a fun idea but pretty much impossible to have ever been possible
Bro I follow you on Instagram 😅
first of all
this is really cool
as a iranian who has studied culture of that time i have to say
if the union happened it would be hard to break it and here are my reasons
before Zoroastrianism in iran there was a form of (mostly ununified) religion called mithraism
it was widely spread in iran and and then it went to roman elites
in iran Zoroastrianism was largely based on mithraism (for people approval)
and christianity when it was becoming the state religion of rome also had a lot in common with Mithraism
(for example the most prominent one that still exists if yalda in iran and christmas which if you search about it they are basically the same)
so the base of both cultures go back to one
and in that time the zoroastrian clergy were failing for corruption and many more reasons and people were not strict zoroastrian anymore
so it is very likely if the emperor sees this for him to try convert iran to some form of christianity and merge the two states together both politically and culturally
That would have been fantastic. Could have stopped the Islamic invasions in their tracks. But thanks to Phocas, who overthrew and murdered Maurice, an all out Sassanid war was ignited, decimating both empires.
Haven't even seen this yet and I already know Lincoln has cooked up something good
Essentially it'll be like what Alexander's empire would have been had he not been killed...
Not killed by rather dying
@mr.trollman. everyone has their own take on what happened. Mine is that he's killed
@@VladislavDrac you believe he was poisoned right?
@mr.trollman. didn't say poisoned, just killed
@ oh okay but what ever it is i respect your beliefs
If this had ever happened then all nomadic peoples go adios 😅
Glad to have you back, even though it's a new video but I'm hoping this means you'll be around more now next year 😁
I think in this timeline islam would either cease to exist or would become a weird one ethnic group only religion
Like Mormonism
Right
@@Procopius464 islam isnt based on ethnicity and islam has grown in countries who werent even under islamic rule but it gonna be 3rd largest
@omaroragb We are talking about an alternate timeline. What allowed Islam to spread was the last Persian-Byzantine war, which caused both empires to become weak so that they could be overrun. In this timeline, Islam would not have been able to break out. Maybe they would send missionaries but there would have been a lot less of them to begin with, and it most certainly does contain all sorts of Arab cultural aspects. It's because of Islam that most people in the MENA region think they are Arabs, but then when they go in for a DNA test it turns out they aren't. They were Arabized. In this alternate timeline Islam would have probably just become like Judaism. They would have probably also modified it to suit the needs of their situation after a while.
@@Procopius464 thx for the information but there is urds too islam doesnt equal arab arabs are just 10% of islamic population
I strongly dislike the AI footage, i will always hate AI "art", I would much rather see a videogame footage like Total War or just a documentary clip. Nonetheless, this is a very good video.
The AI struggling to look realistic is very distracting. One moment I'm listening to his words the other I'm like that's not how you shake hands
Fair. They had a limited holiday season deal where you could generate unlimited video footage even if you only have the $20 a month version so I figured I’d make use of it tbh
You should do another one with the pre-divided Roman Empire and Persia.
welcome back! Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤❤
This wasn't an impossible thing it could be accomplished but would likely need hundreds of years of work to solidify
cool, but I doubt they woulf take all of the sahara and the sahel region, for the same reason neither Rome, nor the byzantines, nor the arabs and nor the ottomans did
3:41 So happy we finally have live footage of what Phokas actually looked like!
Bro please finish the Trafalgar series, it was awesome
This was pretty cool.
At 6:34 is that an ai video
No I created a Time Machine so I could film stock footage from the year 600.
@@rippedlincoln did you get permission to film them?
First time clicking on one of your videos. This is fire 🔥
NEVER thought about this BUT always thought if WE Rome and Germania could have joined. ANOTHER combo is Richard the Lionheart`s sister marrying Saldin's brother. Christianity and Islem uniting.
Saladin didn’t control Islam
@@APXWOX Richard did not control Christianity either. Forgive Me. Two of the great leaders of each faith UNITING their family AND negotiations were ongoing (It almost happened) Though Richard`s Mom was CATHOLIC and may have had a lot of conditions. BUT before the Crusades if Rome had incorporated more of the Germans (who were already a part of the legions) well maybe we could all still be ROMAN.
It would be all fun and games until the Justinian plague hits
The Justinian Plagues would have already happened
6:31 ITS LIT! But yeah, no, this is mad implausible. The most likely effect of a ruler with claims to both empires (being raised in both at points) is that he has no real connection to either people, either religion or either aristocracy, and would be subject to all manner of foreign rebellion and palace intrigue wherever he made his home. We tend to look at diversity as a strength these days but with such divided attentions it would have been impossible to "unite" the empires over the course of a generation. Mauricius simply could not have been in two places at the same time and that was a damning prospect for even his IRL predecessors in Byzantium and Eran who each only had one empire to look after and were overthrown anyway.
This makes me want a series of “what if famous rivals united“ so like Greece and Turkey or the UK and France or Germany and France or China and Japan or the USA and Russia
Moonie lore says that Jesus was supposed to (among other things) unite all of Rome, Persia, and China together
A Roman🦅-Sassanid🦁-Tang🐲 Empire would have been an absolute powerhouse
Their ruler having simultaneously the title of Caesar, Shahanshah and Huangdi even the title of Khan/Khagan since the Tang under Taizong would later conquer the Gokturk
Why not?! I did it!
Firstly this is great timeline but from what I see I dont think the Franks would not hold out against the advancing Roman-Iranian Superstate because in contrast to the Arabian Invasion that came from Iberia, the Franks would be facing two nightmarish overwhelming forces from Roman-Iranian Iberia and Italy.
This is something I have bean wanting to see
What are you gonna continue the what if Romanus survived timeline?.
Caracalla could’ve taken that advantage. But the shah of the weaken Parthian empire decided not to. And had he allowed the marriage pact to happen, Parthia would’ve survived. With Rome as its partner.
The formation of the union is not unrealistic but the union surviving for more than 10 days is ; challenge impossible don't start a civil war in Roman-Iranian union for two seconds
Although the history was good I think you were completely incorrect when religion came up, first the Catholic Church existed before the Byzantine empire it was established by Saint Paul the Apostle, Islam would never grow to prominence without conquest and I doubt a merging of Christianity and Zoroastrianism given that Zoroastrianism is a false religion
I had the same thoughts
What about Artabanus IV accepting Caracalla marrying his daughter and Caracalla didn't get murdered one year later?
It could also have happened earlier, when Carcalla promised to unite Arsakid Iran and Rome with a marriage alliance.
Imagine Rome just gets pushed further and further east u til Japan becomes the successor
why did maurkanius have a low taper fade
What a wet dream
As a persian who loves greek history and absolutely adores antique persian history this would be a win / win, for me atleast lol 🇮🇷❤🇬🇷
Rome is 🇮🇹
Well that sad A Roman-Iranian Empire have become downfall
It could just be like Russia, but at a lower latitude.
Subtitle: If the Hapsburgs had a chance to rule Rome...
Now that I've watched the entire video, what a tragedy that this didn't play out.
Persia died before Rome fought them. It's the Sassanid
As explained in the video, the Sassanids were the dynasty that controlled the Persian (really the Iranian but in the West it’s often misnamed Persia) Empire at the time, we just now call it the Sassanid Empire to distinguish it from the Achaemenid and Parthian rulers of Iran.
Why does Rome not control all of Italy? Nor any other more western territories. This was not explained, and was rather bemusing.
Also, stymieing was pronounced incorrectly 7:24
It is correctly pronounced with sty like a pigsty rather than like the sti from stick.
The Western Roman Empire fell by 476, leaving the Eastern Roman Empire to survive and continue fighting the Sassanids more or less exactly as they had for the past few hundred years. The Eastern Roman Empire reconquered Italy a few decades later, but quickly lost control over parts of Italy due to invasions by the Lombards. By the time the video takes place, they only controlled pockets of Italy as shown in the video. Rome was not the capital of the Empire at this point, and had not been for hundreds of years. The capital was Constantinople, modern day Istanbul. This video starts in the year 590.
@rippedlincoln I know, but it should be explained for the sake of the video. Most people don't even know that the eastern half of the Roman Empire survived, let alone that they reclaimed portions of the territory. Some more background information would improve the video's accessibility.
Lincoln never dissapoints🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
This is way too ridiculous. These people are way too different. Two different civilizations. I could understand one conquering the other but uniting?
Maurikanis, are you serious?
Blursed timeline, but... Aye, I could accept it
Part 2
IT WASN T THE EMPIRE OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT???
Make them Orthodox ☦️
if that zorostrians and muslims and pagans gonna team up and end christian dominance in the empire
One issue I have from the beginning. It wasn't the Persians who fought Rome. It was the Parthian Empire, then the Sassanid Empire. That said, as always, interesting premise.
The Parthians and Sassanids were Iranian (Persian) dynasties. Their empires are considered to be Iranian/Persian Empires.
@@rippedlincolnParthians aren’t Persian
@@rippedlincolnIranian includes Parthians and Persian but Parthians and Persians are different
This sounds like a bad idea.