Finally! A video that explained WHY you open and close the doors. Most videos just say to "open this door, come back later and close it then open..." Now I (am beginning to) understand the Snelgrove method. Thanks and a thumbs up.
If someone decided to do the warm side beekeeping then the snellgrove board would have to be changed where the entranced are. Terrific presentation. I used to use them. Then they began to age and got expensive. I built a few but never really used them. I'll be going back to them this year.
I used the Snelgrove method (bought book) from the start of my beekeeping time. I had no spreadsheet (no computers then) and found all very simple to follow. Had many years of great honey crops. The main thing is there was always a small (single box) on stand by just in case. Thanks for your discussion.
The ' warm ' way of the hive is when the frames are parallels to the front side of the hive where the entrance is. If there is cold air coming from the entrance will be ' stopped' by the first frame which is just in front of the entrance. and the colony is placed on the frames behind the first one. Thus the first frame plays as an barrier against the cold air. On the ' cold position' the frames are placed perpendicular to the front side of the hive and the spaces in between the frames are directly in front of the entrance ( cold air) .
the bees orient to the door they originally oriented to ,the bleeding off foragers reducing population, is exactly why its used to control swarming as in the book title
In canda our hives are withered as a group of fore 2 facing east 2 west and slid together then wrapped in a r20 wrap and r2o cover . 2 boxes need to weigh 200lbs before they are wrapped so they have enough stores for 6 months of winter which gets to -40 for a few weeks
Parks, Thanks for the great presentation. I am a mostly blind beekeeper across the river in Kensington, MD. I appreciated the explanation of the correct use of the openings on the board. Is there a way that I can get a copy of your spreed sheet? Thanks Keith
i would bee interested in learning more about your system. i live off of I-95 southern north carolina, hoke county bee association. just trying to figure out the travel time. also, interested in downloading the spreadsheet.
What happens if you just put a queen excluder instead of the Snelgrove board? I believe some versions of Demareeing are done that way. Don't you get the exact same benefit of bees that are ready to forage moving down?
@Will he heck as like Yes, queen excluders are fairly standard in the Netherlands where I keep bees. Both Demaree and Snelgrove method aren't really popular. My question was more about the advantage of a Snelgrove board over just another queen excluder where the Snelgrove board would be. So brood box, queen excluder, honey chambers, another queen excluder, then the brood box you move up. The only 2 things I can imagine is that drones are able to get out with Snelgrove board, and that the upper part feels more like a new hive and will make new queens. However, you also have to keep rotating doors. I tried Demaree this year with the method I described and it worked wonders. Never had that much honey, and so far they don't seem to want to swarm.
Is that soft, medium, or hard microcrystalline wax? (Usually designated by drop point or approx melting temp) And why the blend of 80% paraffin? (Maybe just because paraffin is cheaper or does it reduce viscosity so it can soak in better? I just can't think of any improvement that would come from paraffin vs MC.) I'm on the west coast so your service is not availible to me.
I am confused regarding the fate of the queen cells in the top. If they are kept there, what is their fate? Will any of those be tolerated? Anyone any ideas? The egg age column in the spread sheet suggests any existing queen cells were removed prior to putting the Snelgrove board on.
If there are cells in the top section they are allowed to develop and raise a new queen. Once this young queen is laying and has capped brood the old queen can be removed from the bottom box to a nuc and sold as an overwintered queen. This will not weaken the colony as it has been boosted by having 2 laying queens for more than a week. The hive can then be re-assembled as normal with the young queen. The advantages to this are the colony has been re-queened and the new queen inherits a full colony rather than one depleted by the old queen swarming. Yes I agree it is a little confusing and you may need to start on day 8 and count back & forward if you have capped cells in order for it to work for you but it is set up for him to do without finding cells so it doesn't conflict with tax season.
@@whoeverit9087 Mr Talley correctly mentioned the door rotation needs to be stopped once a new queen hatches. The bleeding off working well is based on the assumption a 4 day old larva is destined to become a queen, not any of the ones in the swarm cells that are present!
Not very important perhaps, but the day you put the Snelgrove board on the egg you are 'following' is 3 days old not 4, isn't it? So egg day 16 is the day before the queen hatches... I always get confused when "1" is used both to indicate an event and also for a time period. What is essential is that within 24 hrs after you put the SB on the workers will choose an egg that is given the opportunity to become a queen. Love the work you have put in to explain, thank you very much. Fascinating.
Couldn't you just put a double screen board with a spacer like is used for feeding with a hole drilled as an entrance facing the opposite of the original entrance? It seems that the foragers would leave from the new entrance, return to the old entrance, and the split would be completed except for eventually moving the top colony.
Hi, Great lesson on snelgrove board use. I have watched the video many times. I made a snelgrove board, installed it then went back to your video to check which door I open first. Can I get a copy of your spread sheet? If not to much trouble can You email it to me? Thanks for the great help, Bryan Lyons
The Snelgrove board method is too complicated and time consuming. I use a double screen board that is very simple to use and effective. It has only one entrance and that is all you need Imagine if you had 100 or more colonies how difficult it would be to keep track of the Snelgrove board colonies.
Finally! A video that explained WHY you open and close the doors. Most videos just say to "open this door, come back later and close it then open..."
Now I (am beginning to) understand the Snelgrove method.
Thanks and a thumbs up.
Try to get the book by Snellgrove. I have one and it explains it just like the video
This presentation was SO well done! I have been waiting a long time for this info. Thx!
Parks, this video is awesome! Great information, sir!
I would like a copy of your spreadsheet. Thanks for doing this video!
Just ran across this. Very well done! Is there still a way to get the Spreadsheet? Thanks!
Thank you very nice presentation
Are you still sharing your spreadsheet?
Can i get a copy of your spreadsheet please?? Thank you
Wow, wow, wow!!! Love this!!!
If someone decided to do the warm side beekeeping then the snellgrove board would have to be changed where the entranced are.
Terrific presentation. I used to use them. Then they began to age and got expensive. I built a few but never really used them.
I'll be going back to them this year.
I used the Snelgrove method (bought book) from the start of my beekeeping time. I had no spreadsheet (no computers then) and found all very simple to follow. Had many years of great honey crops. The main thing is there was always a small (single box) on stand by just in case. Thanks for your discussion.
I have seen many videos on the Snelgrove Board,Very interesting process, a would like to have your spreadsheet if not to late. Thank You
The ' warm ' way of the hive is when the frames are parallels to the front side of the hive where the entrance is. If there is cold air coming from the entrance will be ' stopped' by the first frame which is just in front of the entrance. and the colony is placed on the frames behind the first one. Thus the first frame plays as an barrier against the cold air. On the ' cold position' the frames are placed perpendicular to the front side of the hive and the spaces in between the frames are directly in front of the entrance ( cold air) .
Good explanation
Would like a copy of the spreadsheet. Thanks for the great explanation.
the bees orient to the door they originally oriented to ,the bleeding off foragers reducing population, is exactly why its used to control swarming as in the book title
In canda our hives are withered as a group of fore 2 facing east 2 west and slid together then wrapped in a r20 wrap and r2o cover .
2 boxes need to weigh 200lbs before they are wrapped so they have enough stores for 6 months of winter which gets to -40 for a few weeks
I would like your spreadsheet please?
Nice presentation Parks. I would like to get your spreadsheet
Would like the spreadsheet please.
Hey Mr Talley, I'd love to get a copy of your spreadsheet.
Would like a copy of the spreadsheet please.Thanks
I have watch several videos on this Very interesting process and would like to have your spreadsheet Thank You
Hi
Is there any chance I could get the spreadsheet or a link to download it.
Thanks
Rob
Is this spreadsheet published somewhere so I can utilize it? Thank you.
What are the benefits using the queen excluder?
May I have a link to your spreadsheet
Can I get a copy of your spreadsheet? Thank you
Would like to have a copy of your spread sheet
Parks, Thanks for the great presentation. I am a mostly blind beekeeper across the river in Kensington, MD. I appreciated the explanation of the correct use of the openings on the board. Is there a way that I can get a copy of your spreed sheet? Thanks Keith
Very interesting I would like to have your spreadsheet Thank You
Is there any chance to get the use of the calendar spreadsheet. It has a few more things than what I have. Thx
Can I get the spreadsheet please?
i would bee interested in learning more about your system. i live off of I-95 southern north carolina, hoke county bee association. just trying to figure out the travel time. also, interested in downloading the spreadsheet.
Spreadsheet please :-)
Any chance for a link to spreadsheet
bob binnie does a video on double screen boards too
What happens if you just put a queen excluder instead of the Snelgrove board? I believe some versions of Demareeing are done that way. Don't you get the exact same benefit of bees that are ready to forage moving down?
@Will he heck as like Yes, queen excluders are fairly standard in the Netherlands where I keep bees. Both Demaree and Snelgrove method aren't really popular.
My question was more about the advantage of a Snelgrove board over just another queen excluder where the Snelgrove board would be. So brood box, queen excluder, honey chambers, another queen excluder, then the brood box you move up.
The only 2 things I can imagine is that drones are able to get out with Snelgrove board, and that the upper part feels more like a new hive and will make new queens. However, you also have to keep rotating doors. I tried Demaree this year with the method I described and it worked wonders. Never had that much honey, and so far they don't seem to want to swarm.
Can I still get a spreadsheet?
How can I get the spreadsheet?
Is this method used to merge two strong hives? then remove one of his Queens, to get more honey?
Could I just use the snelgrove board without the queen excluder? I save the honey for the bees, I need the bees for my garden and orchard.
Where can I get the time line chart?
Is that soft, medium, or hard microcrystalline wax? (Usually designated by drop point or approx melting temp)
And why the blend of 80% paraffin? (Maybe just because paraffin is cheaper or does it reduce viscosity so it can soak in better? I just can't think of any improvement that would come from paraffin vs MC.)
I'm on the west coast so your service is not availible to me.
I am confused regarding the fate of the queen cells in the top. If they are kept there, what is their fate? Will any of those be tolerated? Anyone any ideas?
The egg age column in the spread sheet suggests any existing queen cells were removed prior to putting the Snelgrove board on.
If there are cells in the top section they are allowed to develop and raise a new queen. Once this young queen is laying and has capped brood the old queen can be removed from the bottom box to a nuc and sold as an overwintered queen. This will not weaken the colony as it has been boosted by having 2 laying queens for more than a week. The hive can then be re-assembled as normal with the young queen. The advantages to this are the colony has been re-queened and the new queen inherits a full colony rather than one depleted by the old queen swarming. Yes I agree it is a little confusing and you may need to start on day 8 and count back & forward if you have capped cells in order for it to work for you but it is set up for him to do without finding cells so it doesn't conflict with tax season.
@@whoeverit9087 Mr Talley correctly mentioned the door rotation needs to be stopped once a new queen hatches. The bleeding off working well is based on the assumption a 4 day old larva is destined to become a queen, not any of the ones in the swarm cells that are present!
Not very important perhaps, but the day you put the Snelgrove board on the egg you are 'following' is 3 days old not 4, isn't it? So egg day 16 is the day before the queen hatches... I always get confused when "1" is used both to indicate an event and also for a time period. What is essential is that within 24 hrs after you put the SB on the workers will choose an egg that is given the opportunity to become a queen. Love the work you have put in to explain, thank you very much. Fascinating.
What area of the country is Parks out of?
reading snelgrove book now
Couldn't you just put a double screen board with a spacer like is used for feeding with a hole drilled as an entrance facing the opposite of the original entrance?
It seems that the foragers would leave from the new entrance, return to the old entrance, and the split would be completed except for eventually moving the top colony.
You are wrong about the Demaree method. Existing hives are well suited to the Demaree method
Hi, Great lesson on snelgrove board use. I have watched the video many times. I made a snelgrove board, installed it then went back to your video to check which door I open first. Can I get a copy of your spread sheet? If not to much trouble can You email it to me? Thanks for the great help, Bryan Lyons
HAS ANYONE OBTAINED THE SPREAD SHEET????
SHOW ME THE SPREAD SHEET PLEASE.
The Snelgrove board method is too complicated and time consuming.
I use a double screen board that is very simple to use and effective. It has only one entrance and that is all you need
Imagine if you had 100 or more colonies how difficult it would be to keep track of the Snelgrove board colonies.
Your explanation is way too long and…
Would like a copy of the spreadsheet please.Thanks
For all of the people wanting the spreadsheet, I would need your email address to be able to send you the spreadsheet.
Nice video
@@parkstalley3641 spreadsheet please.