Sorry guys, the cargo space graphic is wrong, should be 22.4 cu ft. Some of you have asked about the LX trim. It's new and will be on Honda's website sooner or later. Trust me, it's coming to the USA.
Alex, I have to give you some feedback on your videos. You know how a lot of the premium youtube car channels seem to think its boring to go over different trims and specs? They seem to think all we want to do is see them womp on the car/truck. Well I *really* appreciate how thorough your videos are. The details do matter and you do an excellent job at presenting those in an entertaining manner. Keep up the great work!
As the owner of a 2000 Odyssey with over 200K miles, the naturally aspirated V6 is a big plus for me. We keep our cars long term, and I'm wary of turbos. Looks like a lovely road tripper.
Honda naturally aspirated cylinder engines, at least in my experience, are bullet proof. It may not be the latest in technology but I think it'll be there working the long haul in a way that some of the more complex turbocharged engines won't be.
@@robertrocheville7769In my 2018 Odyssey: Fuel injector recalls, Cat failing at 78,000 miles, capless fuel cap issues, 9 speed trans feels terrible, but yea, the engine seems solid.
I like that Honda does not make you get captains chairs in upper trims. Really wish the removable middle seat was in all trims. Most of the time my family is best served by two in the middle and a pass through but there are those times when you really need to get in an extra passenger and/or maximize cargo space.
Hey @honda big fan of panoramic sunroof here. Pro tip: it’s ALL about the light in the cabin. I don’t care about opening it. Make it a one large fixed glass and call the day. Cheaper and thinner solution. You’re welcome!
To be honest I think there are at least a dozen things that are more important than screen size. For instance, in a family car, cargo space, passenger space, seat comfort, gas mileage, price, running costs, safety ratings, safety features, driving experience, noise levels, easy of third row access, reliability etc all would be a more important part of a choice for me than screen size. It would have to be quite the tie for that to be an important factor. I have cars with screen sizes ranging from 4 to 7 to 12.3 inches and when driving rarely do I care. Definitely prefer the larger size but it really isn't that important to me compared to all those other things.
I agree. Screen size is very low on my list. Seat comfort and overall interior space is king. I don't drive and stare at my screen not even when changing radio stations. That's what steering wheel controls are for.
2024 Honda Pilot owner here... I thought the same about screen coming from a vehicle with a 12 inch screen... After 20 minutes of driving... The Honda Pilot screen is the perfect size for google maps navigation and apple car play ( I use my screen for navigation and Apple car play primarily) !! My google maps and navigation on my 12 in screen was way too wide and I had to make it smaller and even then most my apps had to bee adjusted down to smaller size because on a 12 wide display is not really practical... I had to add 2 other bs data apps on the 12 inch display just to cover the space on the 12 inch screen that was not needed or important... Honda Pilot wins in all categories. Driving dynamics, quality, reliability, features, natural v6 (no bs turbos with a weak inline 4 cylinder Toyota), price, honest dealers vs Toyota trying rip their customers off Honda wins!! I love 2024 aggressive boxy look with ultra strength steel they added... They built this one like a tank... Literally...
Great video as always, Alex. One comment/suggestion/feedback: when showing the exterior and interior dimensions, could we also see what their respective luxury counterpart has? Pilot/MDX, Pathfinder/QX60, etc...people might cross shop those as well so seeing them added on that list would be nice!
@@LifeBehindE Absolutely correct. We have an Acura RDX but during the pandemic, we acquired two dogs. We love them, but now our vehicle is a bit small when we take everyone, and we are finding of course that the dogs are messy. First and foremost we want to go up in size, and will consider the MDX, however given our messy dogs I've become very interested in this new Pilot. Especially learning that it has the same SH-AWD system. So, I am someone who is actively cross shopping both.
Just cost cutting from Honda. LED turn signals must be expensive enough since they have to flash constantly (if people even use them 😂). VW tends to include these on all their cars, including the base Jetta. Honda is just cheap and always has been.
I expect it has to do with supply chains. When you make a few hundred HyperCars, you can trim them out with anything. But if you are Honda or Toyota and have retooled your factories to delivers millions of vehicles, then you had better have massively capable LED manufacturers lined up and under contract. Not so easy to grab that big a slice of the LED pie.
Love the new 23 Pilot Trailsport-- just test drove the EX-L at local dealership at it drives great with a nice exhaust note! Fingers-crossed that Honda will build enough trailsports--- so there will be more inventory available!
The removable second row middle seat is a game changer. I sell cars and so many people ask if a vehicle has a pass thru middle. If it's removable on all trims that's going to help this Pilot sell.
@@jaytibby the trailsport doesn't get the removable seat because the place where the seat is supposed to go in the touring and elite is the spot for the full size spare tire
"Hopefully I'll get to measure that soon." I fully appreciate that Alex, with his "roller bag score" does a more thorough job describing cargo utility spaces in his reviews than most anyone else out there, but it's time to also start bringing a tape measure to your shoots. Even a small "key-chain" sized one would do the trick. Because manufacturer supplied cu. ft. figures are confusing at best, and always deceptive. I'll never forget, for example that the Camry Hybrid trunk also gets a 5 on the roller bag score.
He could’ve gone to the local HD or Lowe’s , not the point. He does full review which involves more than just measuring one specific area. He was setting up the audience for HIS full review later on. Trust me, it has enough room for ALL your allergy meds and other boomer needs, 😂.
The seatbelt straps in the back of the vehicle unlatch at the base of the seatbelt and retracts into the ceiling where you can tuck the C hook into the ceiling port if you have no use for the center seatbelt instead of pulling it over out of the way. I think you use the seatbelt metal insert to release the belt. Awesome video- thank you!!
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this Pilot needs Accord’s 12 inch screen, besides that, it also needs a hybrid option, also, get rid of that fake exhaust tips and I will definitely buy one.
People complain about a screen in a car that really isnt needed. Give me a regular radio with bluetooth and integrated adjustable phone mount and buttons for climate control etc. People are looking at their phones much more than these screens. They are a waste of money imo. I own vehicles with both and it is the last thing I would miss or consider when buying a vehicle.
@@adamnagel7436at this point cars with android auto or Apple CarPlay are so much easier than using your phone and that’s definitely what a lot of the market agrees with
hahaha i was just test driving and thought the same thing! Its a more masculine Pilot again and should have a shifter. The buttongs make me feel uneasy. I never know if I am in park or reverse or what. I like the tactile shifter and to be able to use it quickly. Not fumbling over and second guessing buttons.
@@ABishop681 Yes Andrew.. I totally agree with you 100%.. I think a lot of people agree with you and me - a traditional shifter would have been MUCH better.. I think Honda did a pretty good job with the new Honda.. but it would'a been even better with just a good old traditional shifter.. instead of that push button shifter.. Not sure why Honda did that... BTW, the new Civic, New Accord, New CRV all have traditional shifters.. but they went with the push button on the Pilot.. That is a shame.
I suspect, like the Highlander and Pathfinder, that Honda will update the Pilot to have an 8-way power passenger seat after a model year or two. Toyota in particular, alongside propagating their new infotainment, have brought 8-way power passenger seats across the board to the Limited trims. The 12" Infotainment screen from the Accord is also an easy upgrade for the mid-cycle refresh.
I don’t know why you people crying for the 12” screen, do you guys watch a movie with the 12” screen or something? Or is it not big enough for your GPS or the back up camera? 12” screen does nothing for me except creating more blind spots
Advice to all new vehicle buyers: please familiarize yourself with the recovery points of these newer vehicles because they’re getting less obviously placed, less accessible, or disappearing altogether. Last thing you want when you are stuck is a tow truck being forced to latch onto a suspension part or the wheel because they cannot find the newer access points and end up damaging your vehicle.
I don't think that's a problem for the tow truck driver. The previous generation Pilot with the 9 speed is to worry about. You need to know how to put that sucker into neutral.
Seems like the new Pathfinder in Platinum trim would be a good comparison based on size and features. The Nissan has more features like power adjustable steering wheel, 4 way lumber and more passenger seat adjustments as well, but it does not have the removable center seat. I've tried the Highlander and it felt more cramped than the Nissan or Honda and I could not get comfortable in the seats, they felt one size too small. I am 6 feet tall and weigh 190 so fairly average was very surprised how uncomfortable I found the Toyota. Great info as always, thanks Alex!
I thought I might have to go with a mini van for cargo and MPG (sienna). Now with this and the Grand Highlander I will get an SUV. I hope to see a side by side comparison for the Grand Highalnder Max Hybrid and this one or sport version. One of these will need to be my next car. Unless the 4runner gets a great upgrade MPG...I'll sacrifice cargo just to have another 4runner. I have an old 4runner and Pilot right now but they both have over 260K miles. It's about time for something new.
I love my Honda Element and wish they were still in the lineup. Like Doctor Who's tardis, they are some how bigger on the inside than on the outside. And, like the S2000 I wish I had never sold, it's actually appreciating in value.
Another great video Alex! According to Honda website, the maximum cargo volume is 87 cubic feet per SAE J1100 measurement standards. The 21.8 number behind the 3rd row includes the under floor storage. (18.6 cubic feet above the floor.)
And that middle row flexibility is a big plus. I looked at a Palisade Limited a few months back and I was told by the sales rep that it’s only captain chairs. So I am paying for more features; but I get less seating options. That didn’t make sense to me.
I'm disappointed that the TrailSport can't get the 8 passenger option and that it's only 8.3 inches of ground clearance, that's the same as my Rogue Select. I will say however I much prefer and have much more confidence in the front recovery point in the skid plate vs the eyelet on the Subaru Wilderness models, I'd trade off on getting muddy or dirty for that personally.
I mean.. to say Subarus are terrible off road is pretty ridiculous. They’re not as good as a Jeep, but they are not meant to compete there. Watch videos of Subarus off-road on other channels and you will see they are better than most going light off-roading. Honda does have really good awd though, will give them that.
Honda is really the master of smart packaging. Nicely done! IIRC, Toyota has placed the wireless charging mat in the parcel shelf in the updated Highlander :)
We were just out test driving the Pilot and Passport. When I got my tape measure out and checked the width of cargo area the wife snapped. "You're not hauling drywall in this car." Yikes! No matter it was under 48" more like 43" or so at the floor.
Absolutely love this new model, I’ll give it a few years in case there’s some bugs but this will be the replacement for my 2012 Pilot that I have. By far it’s been the best vehicle I’ve ever owned
The refreshed one will probably be the one to get in 2-3 yrs. Probably bigger infotainment screen than the 9" and OTA updates like the new Accord unit.
The removable middle seat in the 2nd row is something the Odyssey and Sienna has had for years. The party trick is being a decent size and have a proper storage integrated. Maybe in another few years, they will adapt all Minivan seat designs and let you remove the outboard 2nd row seats as well.
Great video as always! Did I miss information about the safety features, specifically Blind-Spot detection/warning, Cross-Traffic Alert, and parking sensors? If not, could you add them to your list of things to check on in the full review? These vehicles spend a lot of time on streets and in parking lots, and it would be good to know how they fare in the urban jungle. Thanks!
The pilot has the standard Honda sensing features like the Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) · Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS) · Forward Collision Warning (FCW) · Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS). Road Departure Mitigation (RDM). includes a cross traffic monitor , which uses sensors on the rear of the vehicle to help alert you to approaching vehicles detected when you’re in Reverse.
Very comprehensive review... great job. As a 2017 Pilot owner, this is candidate for the next time around. I have always liked the bright trim molding around the single DLO on the current Pilot and on the latest gen MDX. The separate "trapezoidal 3rd row windows on the '23 Pilot is without doubt the ugliest thing about the new design. Its shape doesn't look like it belongs on this vehicle and the blind spots are too big. I'm a big fan of the old SOHC J35 V6... relatively simple and robust. I hope the DOHC and cam phasing is trouble free. Ten speed AT is best-in-class.
@@mikemills8765 DayLight Opening... the outline of the side glass. In the example I gave, the vertical window frames at B and C pillars are blacked out and all of the side glass is outlined with one molding.
Most of the competitors come with 12" infotainment system, 8 ways passenger seat adjustment for this price point, the center seat belts are also clumsy too. Hope the VCM may last longer with no issue at all.
I agree with you unless they're philosophy, the Pilot stuck in the front facing down you are towing the vehicle from the rear. But as you said, the challenging is to get to the recovery point in the mud, and possibility to rip off the front bumper towing the car.
Alex - in your time with the new Pilot, did you notice how quickly the vehicle shifted into drive after pressing the button? The outgoing model had a considerable, annoying delay when doing so. Also, were you able to engage the ADAS system and did it function well? This was a weakness of the outgoing model as well - the torque limit meant that it could only lane center on the most gentle of bends.
I have a 2012 Honda Pilot and love it, but it is getting about time to buy a new one. I did not like the third generation Pilot's body style. I had my eye on the Kia Telluride until I saw this 2023 Pilot. Now my loyalty will stay with Honda.
The exactly only thing I don't like in this version is the trapezoidal last window, which I also don't like on Durango, it's small, seems like they got it from another car and fit it after the car was ready, although apart from that, the car is really nice. I really like the front and the name on the back over the black stripe. In black color, the window doesn't bother me that much.
We have a 2013 Highlander Limited with 145,000 miles. We were very disappointed that Toyota decided to drop the 3.5L V6 from the new generation Highlander. We drove a 2022 Highlander as a loaner and liked it. This 2023 Pilot is definitely on our shopping list. I like the look. Not crazy about the small infotainment screen or push button shifter, but the powertrain is the deal maker.
Mark, we had an 21 highlander v6 it was recently in a crash and was totaled out. We have decided to switch to the honda pilot for the v6 option. It's disappointing that toyota dropped the v6.
By the way, when you said this is not King of the hill, I can't really detect anything in the video that told me so, at least as far as price. I'm getting the feeling this might be the best damn three-row crossover and with bigger third-row headroom than super-sized SUVs (?) Fogettaboutit! I wish I liked the new CR-V but I really can't stand it. I think Honda hit it out of the park with this Pilot, though.
Got a 24 Touring. At first glance, the infotainment seemed small but it's fine in use due to the taller height. Contrast that to Mazda and Chevy's with larger diagonal screens but shorter heights whose screens look so smushed in navigation mode. The only thing I wished it had was an internal camera to see the kids in the back seats. Otherwise, I don't have any complaints 3k miles in.
What sucks if you get the removable seat is there are no remaining arm rests for the captain chairs left behind. For this reason, I’ll not be able to have 8 passengers seating or the sport model as I would have to get the EX-L model optioned with captains chairs that will then include arm rests
For the longest time I was a die hard Toyota fan. I've owned 2 Ridgeline. Planning on purchasing another one as soon as they update the Ridgeline to look like the new pilot
Alex, The boxy, upright, airy and very spacious cabin is exemplary. 🤩 On a vehicle which typically lasts over 200,000 miles, the fact the new V6 retains a timing belt is expensively inexplicable. 🤨 The lack of a hybrid is puzzling.🤔
Timing belt is better than chain. The belt gets changed every 100,000 for maybe $1,200. The timing chain and guides get changed every 140,000 for $4,500. I’ll take the belt every time.
@@JohnDoe-vh4rt Honda switched to timing chains for their 4 cylinder engines years ago. Building in several thousand dollars in extra maintenance for their new V6 engine is contradictory. Timing chains in engines from high quality manufacturers typically have NO maintenance over the long life of the engine. By 140,000 miles, the whole car will be falling apart on discount brands.
@@JohnDoe-vh4rt 2013 Toyota Camry, 142,000 miles on original timing chain with no signs of wear. Chains are superior to belts, but only when built well (unlike GM 3.6 and those Ford 5.4 and 3.5, Audis and BMWs)
The removable center seat was a good idea but appears poorly executed. That mechanism could have been designed better to not protrude so high and the remaining 2 seats could have been designed to accommodate flip down armrests for when the middle seat is removed.
I’m not traveling down any rocky terrain, so I’d prefer one of the more street oriented versions. It’s such a shame that manufacturers don’t usually offer their more rugged-looking, off-road styling, on the more upscale offerings, as I’m not a Soccer Mom/Dad. Couldn’t they at least help me to “look” a little cool in their vehicles? 😋
Great video! I’m shopping for a new three row SUV. I have two middle schoolers, but I carpool a lot and the kids have big sports bags. I need the room. I also don’t want a 4-cylinder because I need to occasionally tow our jet skis. My husband owned a 2008 Pilot, and he loved it. He later traded it in for a Lexus and regretted it. Right now I’m trying to chose between the Kia Telluride X-Pro, the Buick Enclave Avenir, and the Pilot Elite. I actually really like the Buick - it feels a lot more high-end and it’s very roomy and comfortable. My dealership is also willing to negotiate, unlike Kia that wants 7K over MSRP. The Highlander is too small for me and I don’t want to wait for the Grand Highlander.
Go with the Pilot, better engine, Honda 10 speed Transmission, and AWD is better, The Pilot Elite technology is not as sophisticated as the Kia or Hyundai on the top SUV they sell. BUT Kia dealers are known as being hard to deal with. As for GM /Buick and all other GM vehicles they are just are not as good any more. I just traded in my 2022 Hyundai SUV in for a 2023 Elite. Why? After 2 recalls that was fixed and a few other things I felt it was time to trade up. I have had 3 Pilots over the years but the 2018 was dog with the 9 speed transmission that Honda could never get it right. Came back to Honda now that they have gone to the Honda 10 speed. I wish you luck because it's really hard to find a good dealer and get a half way good deal. Good Luck
0:57 What gives the appearance of a RWD proportion is not the length of the hood which is summarized here in a longer front overhang but rather the distance between the back of the front wheel arch and the front part of the door . Just by loolking at the profile it's clearly an fwd base vehicule cause this distance is very short as in any Fwd .
Alex, great video as always. I do wonder about the Bose sound system in the Touring/Elite vs the alternative in the EX-L. Is the Bose really worth going to a Touring. I know there are other items, like the pano, roof racks in the top two trims. Just asking about the sound. Thank you.
I just got the 24 touring and I love it. Nicer than any other pilot I’ve owned for numerous reasons and I love the new design. Looks more like an SUV and not a minivan.
One thing I really don't understand is why so many companies are producing these extreme off road vehicles when nobody really needs a vehicle for that. It's a hobby, leave it to the Wranglers. People wanted manual transmissions but manufacturers said it was too expensive for the limited market. It seems like more people would want a manual than people who drive their vehicles over big stones for fun.
Its not about the capability, its about the image. How many new wranglers and broncos will actually go offroad enough to warrant choosing them over a mommy wagon like this?
First, this is NOT extreme off road capable, this is trail capable. Second, instead of investing in a completely new platform, most companies save $$$ by adding off road capability as a trim on a existing platform. Do you see any other Honda models comparable to Toyota forerunner? Lastly, sale numbers speak volumes about demand hence manufacturers are building these trims.
The Pilot TrailSport is a trim level. My suspicion is Honda did not develop this for off-road capability for Pilot. It was developed for next 3rd Gen Ridgeline redesign. Also Passport redesign. If every Ridgeline had skid plates and slight lift with tuned off-road suspension revamped AWD System. This will give it the much needed off-road cred. This has been one of Ridgeline biggest complaints.Looks are subjective. They did good in refresh of 2nd Gen. Also got rid of FWD trim. All 1st Gen Ridgeline had 4WD. The towing is other complaint max is 5,000lbs with AWD on 2nd Gen and 1st Gen. The other biggest complaint is lack of ground clearance compared to its competitors. It has them beat On-Road driving. So the people that venture Off-road with Ridgeline or Passport is more than a Pilot. Dirt Bikes, kayaks in bed of Ridgeline. So not develop for Pilot specifically. It just happened to get redesign first. Honda engineer said TrailSport had to be good On-Road also good Off-road.
I use to think exactly like you in regards to this. But over the years of having Ridgeline in family. My mind has completely changed. Honda did not have any vehicles that really have Off-road capability from factory. That doesn't mean hard- core rock crawling. Say you get to trail with ditches and ruts. People do go camping so why buy a Jeep vehicle or Toyota,Nissan. I've watched hundreds of Ridgeline videos. The market is out there. You hear the people complaining about. Consumer Reports Ranks Ridgeline High always. But the reason they give for some buyers to skip is lack of off-road potential. So Pilot, Ridgeline,Passport share so many things. I keep pushing Ridgeline,Passport but if somebody wants a larger passenger capable variant. You have Pilot.
Never get this comment that’s always left in videos like this. We take our family hauler off road every time we go on a road trip. Basically anyone that lives out west has very easy access to weekend off roading and getting off the beaten path.
We bought a new MDX last October, and not gonna lie, if I could go back I would just wait for the Pilot. It's basically the same vehicle, you trade a smaller screen for a touchscreen and an extra 5-10k... Definitely worth it :-/ They need to make Acura more premium now that the "base" makes give you premium-ish cars anyway
You get a bigger car too for less money. To me I would choose Acura just for the driving experience difference. I have a 2011 MDX now I like how it drives more then my 2019 Pilot Touring AWD which I traded in due to that awful 9 speed.
@@jaytibby based on what I see here, it's really not that different. You get many of the same things just re-arranged (that wireless charger that won't work with newer iPhones due to camera bumps, same shifter, same AC). Seats are leather just as well, and you lose that piano black I was never a fan of in the first place. Driving should not be that different either I'm assuming. Should be the same platform and SH-AWD is exactly the same as the Honda AWD they have here. Comparing it to the GLE of a friend, the Acura feels a lot closer to the upper trims of non-luxury brands (Hyundai, this Pilot, CX-9) than to the European premium brands (MB, BMW, or even Volvo). IMHO Honda needs to do some soul searching with Acura and make it more premium. It was always "in between", and with the non-premium brands getting more luxurious, it is getting squeezed out IMHO
@@DavideTestuggine - Agree that MDX needs to up their game. And please, I beg you Acura, LOSE THE PIANO BLACK PLASTIC that shows every scratch that you *will* get. It's SO dumb!
I keep saying this. What if all Ridgeline truck trims come with the TrailSport type hardware. They would need to tune for Pickup Truck Duty. I have feeling they may do this. Possible with Passport also.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide This feels like an awful time to get a small truck. Between the Markups on the Maverick and pending release of the 2024 Tacoma and Ridgeline I’m kind of stuck.
Nice vehicle, great video. Little to large for me don’t need 3 rows. You mentioned in the 1st 2 minutes the next Passport will share the same face, boxier shape,,,Honda has been really pumping out the new models! When do you except the next generation Passport to arrive?
We have a 2019 pilot elite. Recently we test drove a 2023 pilot elite. My wife said right away the new pilot rides rougher and the driver seat does not come out as far in comparison tp our 2019 Pilot. So we are in a quandary. Maybe we will look at a odyssey. We want to stay with Honda but they are making it difficult.
Great Review...Spot on in most of the things...Just got my 2023 Pilot TrailSport with HPD Launch Package... Took it to moderate off-road right away...and it didn't disappoint me at all...rather full of surprise! In a good way ofcourse ...
Sounds like this Pilot is the new king 👑 of the segment. More interior volume, better drivetrain, better off-road capability with a superior all-wheel drive system. Regardless of the screen size, this completely out-classes the Korean twins, Subaru, and Toyota.
Honda left room for improvement, but I would wait and see how this first model of the new generation performs. Hopefully there will be no mechanical and electrical issues.
Depends on what your values are. The Korean twins (in the top trims) wow you when you open the door and get in. Very nice (seat/dash/LCD displays.) Not so much this Pilot. With that said I'd probably get this over the twins.
The screen looks misplaced, no traditional shifter and a zonk on the timing belt. I have a Highlander but the Pilot wins with the rear cargo space and headroom for sure, nice vehicle!
I know ground clearance isn't everything, but I'll never not find it amusing that even BASE model Subaru Outbacks have more ground clearance (8.7 inches vs 8.3 inches; and Outback Wilderness editions bump that up to 9.5 inches) than this and other supposedly trail focused SUVs. And some still insist that the Outback is a station wagon.
You can easily remove the middle bench on the EX-L, but it's not "on the fly." You'll have to disconnect the harness manually which adds a minute or two to the process.
So I am not seeing a LX trim anywhere so this is a little confusing to me that it is mentioned a couple of times. To me the big downside is the small screen, not sure what they were thinking considering the Accord that is coming out has a 10.2 & 12.3
That seems like a weird thing to make up, so since it’s not on the websites I’m guessing somebody at the Honda event told him something that we weren’t meant to hear for a while Probably it’s coming in a while?
Side Note: I checked with the dealer and like the Telluride, the Honda engine is 'direct injection' only.....no dual 'direct/ port injection' setup. This means that carbon on the intake valves will likely be a problem down the road as is common with all direct injection only engines..... which can cause decreased performance, rough running engine, etc.
I think Honda did a fantastic job with this new Pilot! More room, more capability, and a nicer interior. Hopefully a new Passport is on the way with a more rugged Trail Sport edition!!
Agreed. It speaks to laziness of the design team for Accord not sharing the new bigger screen (and better software too.) Or perhaps it was the bean counters wanting to hold to a price point. Or maybe it's just a matter of leaving something for the mid-cycle refresh. Whatever it is, it's annoying. At the end of the day though, the lack of 4-way lumbar on the driver's seat is more annoying to me than the display size.
I take it Honda has abandoned their "lane watch" that came out way before Kia started doing something similar on the Telluride (and Hyundai on the Palisade)? That's too bad if true - that's a feature I appreciate, at least in principal and as seen on UA-cam videos.
I loved your review of the Acura TLX TYPE S and I almost bought one but I need more space as the Acura was too small and too compromise can’t wait to finish!!! This video
Not sure about the current 2023 Ascent, but in the past year, the Ascent Limited trim has available package to add that gives Harman kardon sound system, a pano roof and navigation for $3000 extra, and it comes with 8 seat configuration or 7 seat configuration.
@@blackwhirlwind1245 H.K. sound system is mass-market, may sound great, or it may not. My 2015 Outback 3.6R has an HK that sounds dreadful 😞 Except on Peter Gabriel's album "So."
Great and thorough in-depth review... however, I am more intrigued by its smaller version the Passport TrailSport, and wonder if it has the same off-road chops and transmission as the Pilot TrailSport?
Not the current generation. Let's hope the redesign (assuming there is one) gets the changes, if not more. A Passport Trailsport WITH A HYBRID and closer to 9" of clearance would unquestionably be my next vehicle if it does. Probably not with 23mpg highway and only 8.4" of clearance.
For Alex, the new Pilot is 12-Inches away from greatness. However, for me, it's a hybrid trim away from supremacy. Honda now truly NEEDS to offer this new Pilot in a hybrid trim, and soon.
Thank you for the review. I’ve had three Honda minivans as well as two Accords. All suffered early warping of brake rotors and needed service and replacement before 36K miles. You’d mentioned that this new Pilot had larger brakes. Do you have some thoughts you might share on its potential reliability?
The main LCD size isn’t the complaint for me, it’s the complete lack of rear screen with dvd/Blu-ray player. I don’t want to have to give my 2 and 4 year old an iPad and headphones for a road trip instead of having the whole vehicle entertainment like my 2008 pilot has. If my kids were in high school and had their own phones it would be one thing but this entertainment system makes it a no go for a lot of young families. Obviously most young families can’t afford a new one now but that sucks for the used market in 10-15 years
Sorry guys, the cargo space graphic is wrong, should be 22.4 cu ft. Some of you have asked about the LX trim. It's new and will be on Honda's website sooner or later. Trust me, it's coming to the USA.
All is forgiven. 😉
An LX would be nice because it seems all the trims are too expensive. The Sport is alright but I would have to have at least an EX-L for that price
It's ok... easy mistake... I really enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work !
Why don’t you mention these drives 2x better than Kia Hyundai cousins suv?
Alex, I have to give you some feedback on your videos. You know how a lot of the premium youtube car channels seem to think its boring to go over different trims and specs? They seem to think all we want to do is see them womp on the car/truck. Well I *really* appreciate how thorough your videos are. The details do matter and you do an excellent job at presenting those in an entertaining manner. Keep up the great work!
As the owner of a 2000 Odyssey with over 200K miles, the naturally aspirated V6 is a big plus for me. We keep our cars long term, and I'm wary of turbos. Looks like a lovely road tripper.
Honda naturally aspirated cylinder engines, at least in my experience, are bullet proof. It may not be the latest in technology but I think it'll be there working the long haul in a way that some of the more complex turbocharged engines won't be.
Exactly. Totally fine with a slightly smaller infotainment if the trade off is a NA Honda 6 that I'll never have to worry about.
I’ve had a 2001, 2009 and 2018 Odyssey. They don’t make ‘‘em like they used to.
@@JustinOhm in ways that's a good thing.
The new direct injection engines have been mostly flawless.
@@robertrocheville7769In my 2018 Odyssey: Fuel injector recalls, Cat failing at 78,000 miles, capless fuel cap issues, 9 speed trans feels terrible, but yea, the engine seems solid.
I like that Honda does not make you get captains chairs in upper trims. Really wish the removable middle seat was in all trims. Most of the time my family is best served by two in the middle and a pass through but there are those times when you really need to get in an extra passenger and/or maximize cargo space.
Hey @honda big fan of panoramic sunroof here. Pro tip: it’s ALL about the light in the cabin. I don’t care about opening it. Make it a one large fixed glass and call the day. Cheaper and thinner solution. You’re welcome!
To be honest I think there are at least a dozen things that are more important than screen size. For instance, in a family car, cargo space, passenger space, seat comfort, gas mileage, price, running costs, safety ratings, safety features, driving experience, noise levels, easy of third row access, reliability etc all would be a more important part of a choice for me than screen size. It would have to be quite the tie for that to be an important factor. I have cars with screen sizes ranging from 4 to 7 to 12.3 inches and when driving rarely do I care. Definitely prefer the larger size but it really isn't that important to me compared to all those other things.
Screen size on the infotainment should be the least important aspect of the vehicle.
It’s super important to me, and suspect many others as well.
The screen looks much larger in person, and that’s coming from someone who had a Tesla with a giant screen.
As long as I can see the navigation and it has hardware volume and track controls for audio I don't care at all about the screen size.
I agree. Screen size is very low on my list. Seat comfort and overall interior space is king. I don't drive and stare at my screen not even when changing radio stations. That's what steering wheel controls are for.
2024 Honda Pilot owner here... I thought the same about screen coming from a vehicle with a 12 inch screen...
After 20 minutes of driving... The Honda Pilot screen is the perfect size for google maps navigation and apple car play ( I use my screen for navigation and Apple car play primarily) !! My google maps and navigation on my 12 in screen was way too wide and I had to make it smaller and even then most my apps had to bee adjusted down to smaller size because on a 12 wide display is not really practical... I had to add 2 other bs data apps on the 12 inch display just to cover the space on the 12 inch screen that was not needed or important... Honda Pilot wins in all categories. Driving dynamics, quality, reliability, features, natural v6 (no bs turbos with a weak inline 4 cylinder Toyota), price, honest dealers vs Toyota trying rip their customers off
Honda wins!! I love 2024 aggressive boxy look with ultra strength steel they added... They built this one like a tank... Literally...
Great video as always, Alex. One comment/suggestion/feedback: when showing the exterior and interior dimensions, could we also see what their respective luxury counterpart has? Pilot/MDX, Pathfinder/QX60, etc...people might cross shop those as well so seeing them added on that list would be nice!
The MDX is no longer related to the Pilot.
@@drivescene6747 It still falls under the Honda portfolio though...people will be cross shopping the two.
@@LifeBehindE Absolutely correct. We have an Acura RDX but during the pandemic, we acquired two dogs. We love them, but now our vehicle is a bit small when we take everyone, and we are finding of course that the dogs are messy. First and foremost we want to go up in size, and will consider the MDX, however given our messy dogs I've become very interested in this new Pilot. Especially learning that it has the same SH-AWD system. So, I am someone who is actively cross shopping both.
@@drivescene6747 They are on the same platform though the MDX has a different front suspension.
With many car buyers base their decision on aesthetics, it still puzzles me why car makers won’t shell out the small extra cost for LED lights
First world problems
So they can charge extra for a feature that most people want. Duh!
Just cost cutting from Honda. LED turn signals must be expensive enough since they have to flash constantly (if people even use them 😂). VW tends to include these on all their cars, including the base Jetta. Honda is just cheap and always has been.
I don't see my LED turn signals when I drive. Do you?
I expect it has to do with supply chains. When you make a few hundred HyperCars, you can trim them out with anything. But if you are Honda or Toyota and have retooled your factories to delivers millions of vehicles, then you had better have massively capable LED manufacturers lined up and under contract. Not so easy to grab that big a slice of the LED pie.
I'm about 12 inches away from greatness too.
only 14 up-votes? C'mon internet, you can do better.
Love the new 23 Pilot Trailsport-- just test drove the EX-L at local dealership at it drives great with a nice exhaust note! Fingers-crossed that Honda will build enough trailsports--- so there will be more inventory available!
I’m really interested in it too. How did it drive?
The removable second row middle seat is a game changer. I sell cars and so many people ask if a vehicle has a pass thru middle. If it's removable on all trims that's going to help this Pilot sell.
I think it's only on the Elite trim
@@brenrob7403 And the Touring.
I just wish it was an option for every trim
@Anthony D I wish the TS came with that option and not just captains chairs.
@@jaytibby the trailsport doesn't get the removable seat because the place where the seat is supposed to go in the touring and elite is the spot for the full size spare tire
"Hopefully I'll get to measure that soon." I fully appreciate that Alex, with his "roller bag score" does a more thorough job describing cargo utility spaces in his reviews than most anyone else out there, but it's time to also start bringing a tape measure to your shoots. Even a small "key-chain" sized one would do the trick. Because manufacturer supplied cu. ft. figures are confusing at best, and always deceptive. I'll never forget, for example that the Camry Hybrid trunk also gets a 5 on the roller bag score.
He could’ve gone to the local HD or Lowe’s , not the point. He does full review which involves more than just measuring one specific area. He was setting up the audience for HIS full review later on. Trust me, it has enough room for ALL your allergy meds and other boomer needs, 😂.
The seatbelt straps in the back of the vehicle unlatch at the base of the seatbelt and retracts into the ceiling where you can tuck the C hook into the ceiling port if you have no use for the center seatbelt instead of pulling it over out of the way. I think you use the seatbelt metal insert to release the belt. Awesome video- thank you!!
Important point 👍
I was eliminating the vehicle just for the seat belts being in the way...they'd be so annoying on a long drive. But ok for carpooling
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this Pilot needs Accord’s 12 inch screen, besides that, it also needs a hybrid option, also, get rid of that fake exhaust tips and I will definitely buy one.
People complain about a screen in a car that really isnt needed. Give me a regular radio with bluetooth and integrated adjustable phone mount and buttons for climate control etc.
People are looking at their phones much more than these screens. They are a waste of money imo. I own vehicles with both and it is the last thing I would miss or consider when buying a vehicle.
@@adamnagel7436at this point cars with android auto or Apple CarPlay are so much easier than using your phone and that’s definitely what a lot of the market agrees with
Accord engine will be the same Toyotas mistake.
150K miles vs 300K + engine life.
Very nice job on the Pilot by Honda.. The only bad thing that Honda did for the new Pilot is that they didn't give it a regular traditional shifter.
hahaha i was just test driving and thought the same thing! Its a more masculine Pilot again and should have a shifter. The buttongs make me feel uneasy. I never know if I am in park or reverse or what. I like the tactile shifter and to be able to use it quickly. Not fumbling over and second guessing buttons.
@@ABishop681 Yes Andrew.. I totally agree with you 100%.. I think a lot of people agree with you and me - a traditional shifter would have been MUCH better.. I think Honda did a pretty good job with the new Honda.. but it would'a been even better with just a good old traditional shifter.. instead of that push button shifter.. Not sure why Honda did that... BTW, the new Civic, New Accord, New CRV all have traditional shifters.. but they went with the push button on the Pilot.. That is a shame.
I suspect, like the Highlander and Pathfinder, that Honda will update the Pilot to have an 8-way power passenger seat after a model year or two. Toyota in particular, alongside propagating their new infotainment, have brought 8-way power passenger seats across the board to the Limited trims. The 12" Infotainment screen from the Accord is also an easy upgrade for the mid-cycle refresh.
That's exactly what they'll do. It's nothing more than lazy design/marketing.
@@naveenthemachine that just sounds like fanboyism.
Edit: reading the rest of your comments, you do sound like a fanboy.
Can’t put no 4 x 8 ft plywood in there
I don’t know why you people crying for the 12” screen, do you guys watch a movie with the 12” screen or something? Or is it not big enough for your GPS or the back up camera? 12” screen does nothing for me except creating more blind spots
Advice to all new vehicle buyers: please familiarize yourself with the recovery points of these newer vehicles because they’re getting less obviously placed, less accessible, or disappearing altogether. Last thing you want when you are stuck is a tow truck being forced to latch onto a suspension part or the wheel because they cannot find the newer access points and end up damaging your vehicle.
I don't think that's a problem for the tow truck driver. The previous generation Pilot with the 9 speed is to worry about. You need to know how to put that sucker into neutral.
The side styling is reminiscent of the original Passport from the ‘90s (built by Isuzu).
I loved the removable middle seat until I realized there were no arm rests on the captains chairs once you removed them !
Because they aren’t real captain chairs. Ok trade off as I don’t care for captain chairs if you lose three seats.
Looks a lot nicer than the previous gen.
Seems like the new Pathfinder in Platinum trim would be a good comparison based on size and features. The Nissan has more features like power adjustable steering wheel, 4 way lumber and more passenger seat adjustments as well, but it does not have the removable center seat. I've tried the Highlander and it felt more cramped than the Nissan or Honda and I could not get comfortable in the seats, they felt one size too small. I am 6 feet tall and weigh 190 so fairly average was very surprised how uncomfortable I found the Toyota. Great info as always, thanks Alex!
MDX tech…. Is the only answer.
Stay away from Nissan. Nice they got rid of cvt but nasty ZF German trans in there.
Toyotas are always cramped
I thought I might have to go with a mini van for cargo and MPG (sienna). Now with this and the Grand Highlander I will get an SUV. I hope to see a side by side comparison for the Grand Highalnder Max Hybrid and this one or sport version. One of these will need to be my next car. Unless the 4runner gets a great upgrade MPG...I'll sacrifice cargo just to have another 4runner. I have an old 4runner and Pilot right now but they both have over 260K miles. It's about time for something new.
I love my Honda Element and wish they were still in the lineup. Like Doctor Who's tardis, they are some how bigger on the inside than on the outside. And, like the S2000 I wish I had never sold, it's actually appreciating in value.
Another great video Alex! According to Honda website, the maximum cargo volume is 87 cubic feet per SAE J1100 measurement standards. The 21.8 number behind the 3rd row includes the under floor storage. (18.6 cubic feet above the floor.)
Screen size is about #49 in importance for me. For light off-roading, the Trailsport appears to blow away any other CUV with good road manners.
Indeed. Screen size is a factor for me while buying a TV not a car. I think 9in is plenty big. (No that’s what she said jokes please)
And that middle row flexibility is a big plus. I looked at a Palisade Limited a few months back and I was told by the sales rep that it’s only captain chairs. So I am paying for more features; but I get less seating options. That didn’t make sense to me.
What are first 48?
@@matthewgeissinger2856 you can pay less, get lower trim with more seating on those.
I agree 1000%! Who cares what the screen size is? Heck make them smaller
This is a great looking crossover inside and out! Love how much interior space this has.
I'm disappointed that the TrailSport can't get the 8 passenger option and that it's only 8.3 inches of ground clearance, that's the same as my Rogue Select. I will say however I much prefer and have much more confidence in the front recovery point in the skid plate vs the eyelet on the Subaru Wilderness models, I'd trade off on getting muddy or dirty for that personally.
I mean.. to say Subarus are terrible off road is pretty ridiculous. They’re not as good as a Jeep, but they are not meant to compete there. Watch videos of Subarus off-road on other channels and you will see they are better than most going light off-roading. Honda does have really good awd though, will give them that.
Honda is really the master of smart packaging. Nicely done!
IIRC, Toyota has placed the wireless charging mat in the parcel shelf in the updated Highlander :)
10:40 amazing to see such a big vehicle with such a small rear opening.
We were just out test driving the Pilot and Passport. When I got my tape measure out and checked the width of cargo area the wife snapped. "You're not hauling drywall in this car." Yikes! No matter it was under 48" more like 43" or so at the floor.
Absolutely love this new model, I’ll give it a few years in case there’s some bugs but this will be the replacement for my 2012 Pilot that I have. By far it’s been the best vehicle I’ve ever owned
The refreshed one will probably be the one to get in 2-3 yrs. Probably bigger infotainment screen than the 9" and OTA updates like the new Accord unit.
Don’t wait. Honda let owners of the previous gen 9 speed transmission (disaster) suffer for all those years.
@@Popcornbeetle 2012 Pilot had 5 speed/6speed.
@@midwestfarm757 top trims had the crappy 9 from the start and then they all got the crappy 9 before the last generation ended.
@@Popcornbeetle The commenter was talking about a 2012 model. The 9 speed was from 2016-
The removable middle seat in the 2nd row is something the Odyssey and Sienna has had for years. The party trick is being a decent size and have a proper storage integrated.
Maybe in another few years, they will adapt all Minivan seat designs and let you remove the outboard 2nd row seats as well.
I'm hoping for the addition of sliding doors to get in and out easier :)
@@ShaiyanHossain 🤣🤣
Trailsport looks like a fantastic trim. I wonder how the noise at highway cruise compares to the Elite trim.
Per other reviewers, specifically one from Car Gurus, not noticeable.
Besides the tires the Elite has double pane windows on the driver and passenger side.
Great video as always! Did I miss information about the safety features, specifically Blind-Spot detection/warning, Cross-Traffic Alert, and parking sensors? If not, could you add them to your list of things to check on in the full review? These vehicles spend a lot of time on streets and in parking lots, and it would be good to know how they fare in the urban jungle. Thanks!
The pilot has the standard Honda sensing features like the Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) · Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS) · Forward Collision Warning (FCW) · Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS). Road Departure Mitigation (RDM). includes a cross traffic monitor , which uses sensors on the rear of the vehicle to help alert you to approaching vehicles detected when you’re in Reverse.
Very comprehensive review... great job. As a 2017 Pilot owner, this is candidate for the next time around. I have always liked the bright trim molding around the single DLO on the current Pilot and on the latest gen MDX. The separate "trapezoidal 3rd row windows on the '23 Pilot is without doubt the ugliest thing about the new design. Its shape doesn't look like it belongs on this vehicle and the blind spots are too big. I'm a big fan of the old SOHC J35 V6... relatively simple and robust. I hope the DOHC and cam phasing is trouble free. Ten speed AT is best-in-class.
What's a DLO?
@@mikemills8765 DayLight Opening... the outline of the side glass. In the example I gave, the vertical window frames at B and C pillars are blacked out and all of the side glass is outlined with one molding.
Most of the competitors come with 12" infotainment system, 8 ways passenger seat adjustment for this price point, the center seat belts are also clumsy too. Hope the VCM may last longer with no issue at all.
Very high quality review! Greatly appreciate the information and attention to detail!
The Trailsport would have been fantastic had it included the removable seat! Honda, fix that for the next year model!
I am worried if you ever use the front recovery point you will damage the front bumper if the rope/chain moves upwards
I agree with you unless they're philosophy, the Pilot stuck in the front facing down you are towing the vehicle from the rear. But as you said, the challenging is to get to the recovery point in the mud, and possibility to rip off the front bumper towing the car.
Alex - in your time with the new Pilot, did you notice how quickly the vehicle shifted into drive after pressing the button? The outgoing model had a considerable, annoying delay when doing so. Also, were you able to engage the ADAS system and did it function well? This was a weakness of the outgoing model as well - the torque limit meant that it could only lane center on the most gentle of bends.
This is much faster than the 2022
I have a 2012 Honda Pilot and love it, but it is getting about time to buy a new one. I did not like the third generation Pilot's body style. I had my eye on the Kia Telluride until I saw this 2023 Pilot. Now my loyalty will stay with Honda.
Alex pulled the skid plate to show us? He really does love us!
The exactly only thing I don't like in this version is the trapezoidal last window, which I also don't like on Durango, it's small, seems like they got it from another car and fit it after the car was ready, although apart from that, the car is really nice. I really like the front and the name on the back over the black stripe. In black color, the window doesn't bother me that much.
Very honest and detailed review. You covered lot of practical pros cons that I didn't find in other reviewers videos. Thank you.
We have a 2013 Highlander Limited with 145,000 miles. We were very disappointed that Toyota decided to drop the 3.5L V6 from the new generation Highlander. We drove a 2022 Highlander as a loaner and liked it. This 2023 Pilot is definitely on our shopping list. I like the look. Not crazy about the small infotainment screen or push button shifter, but the powertrain is the deal maker.
Mark, we had an 21 highlander v6 it was recently in a crash and was totaled out. We have decided to switch to the honda pilot for the v6 option. It's disappointing that toyota dropped the v6.
on Honda's website they list the cargo behind the 3rd row as 22.4 including the under floor storage. 18.6 without the underfloor storage
By the way, when you said this is not King of the hill, I can't really detect anything in the video that told me so, at least as far as price. I'm getting the feeling this might be the best damn three-row crossover and with bigger third-row headroom than super-sized SUVs (?) Fogettaboutit!
I wish I liked the new CR-V but I really can't stand it. I think Honda hit it out of the park with this Pilot, though.
Got a 24 Touring. At first glance, the infotainment seemed small but it's fine in use due to the taller height. Contrast that to Mazda and Chevy's with larger diagonal screens but shorter heights whose screens look so smushed in navigation mode.
The only thing I wished it had was an internal camera to see the kids in the back seats. Otherwise, I don't have any complaints 3k miles in.
I’m getting mine this week
10k miles in, so far, love it!
Excellent review, Alex. Seems I found my new SUV which is much better priced with common sense approach than US counterparts.
What sucks if you get the removable seat is there are no remaining arm rests for the captain chairs left behind. For this reason, I’ll not be able to have 8 passengers seating or the sport model as I would have to get the EX-L model optioned with captains chairs that will then include arm rests
For the longest time I was a die hard Toyota fan. I've owned 2 Ridgeline. Planning on purchasing another one as soon as they update the Ridgeline to look like the new pilot
Alex, The boxy, upright, airy and very spacious cabin is exemplary. 🤩 On a vehicle which typically lasts over 200,000 miles, the fact the new V6 retains a timing belt is
expensively inexplicable. 🤨 The lack of a hybrid is puzzling.🤔
Timing belt is better than chain. The belt gets changed every 100,000 for maybe $1,200. The timing chain and guides get changed every 140,000 for $4,500. I’ll take the belt every time.
@@JohnDoe-vh4rt Honda switched to timing chains for their 4 cylinder engines years ago. Building in several thousand dollars in extra maintenance for their new V6 engine is contradictory. Timing chains in engines from high quality manufacturers typically have NO maintenance over the long life of the engine. By 140,000 miles, the whole car will be falling apart on discount brands.
@@JohnDoe-vh4rt 2013 Toyota Camry, 142,000 miles on original timing chain with no signs of wear. Chains are superior to belts, but only when built well (unlike GM 3.6 and those Ford 5.4 and 3.5, Audis and BMWs)
I think the chain is loud and nasty sounding maybe want to keep quiet smooth ride?? Not sure.
@@rightlanehog3151 rolling 280k on my accord. At 140k I’m not sure the new car smell was even gone.
The removable center seat was a good idea but appears poorly executed. That mechanism could have been designed better to not protrude so high and the remaining 2 seats could have been designed to accommodate flip down armrests for when the middle seat is removed.
I’m not traveling down any rocky terrain, so I’d prefer one of the more street oriented versions.
It’s such a shame that manufacturers don’t usually offer their more rugged-looking, off-road styling, on the more upscale offerings, as I’m not a Soccer Mom/Dad.
Couldn’t they at least help me to “look” a little cool in their vehicles? 😋
Great video!
I’m shopping for a new three row SUV. I have two middle schoolers, but I carpool a lot and the kids have big sports bags. I need the room. I also don’t want a 4-cylinder because I need to occasionally tow our jet skis.
My husband owned a 2008 Pilot, and he loved it. He later traded it in for a Lexus and regretted it.
Right now I’m trying to chose between the Kia Telluride X-Pro, the Buick Enclave Avenir, and the Pilot Elite. I actually really like the Buick - it feels a lot more high-end and it’s very roomy and comfortable. My dealership is also willing to negotiate, unlike Kia that wants 7K over MSRP. The Highlander is too small for me and I don’t want to wait for the Grand Highlander.
Go with the Pilot, better engine, Honda 10 speed Transmission, and AWD is better, The Pilot Elite technology is not as sophisticated as the Kia or Hyundai on the top SUV they sell. BUT Kia dealers are known as being hard to deal with. As for GM /Buick and all other GM vehicles they are just are not as good any more. I just traded in my 2022 Hyundai SUV in for a 2023 Elite. Why? After 2 recalls that was fixed and a few other things I felt it was time to trade up.
I have had 3 Pilots over the years but the 2018 was dog with the 9 speed transmission that Honda could never get it right. Came back to Honda now that they have gone to the Honda 10 speed. I wish you luck because it's really hard to find a good dealer and get a half way good deal. Good Luck
What about Grand Cherokee L?
My everyday Honda SUV! Terrific job Alex.
0:57 What gives the appearance of a RWD proportion is not the length of the hood which is summarized here in a longer front overhang but rather the distance between the back of the front wheel arch and the front part of the door . Just by loolking at the profile it's clearly an fwd base vehicule cause this distance is very short as in any Fwd .
I'd like to see a button instead of a column lever to adjust the tilt and telescope steering, and hood struts instead of a cheaply hood wedge
Finally arrived. I was waiting for this video from alex
Alex, great video as always. I do wonder about the Bose sound system in the Touring/Elite vs the alternative in the EX-L. Is the Bose really worth going to a Touring. I know there are other items, like the pano, roof racks in the top two trims. Just asking about the sound. Thank you.
I just got the 24 touring and I love it. Nicer than any other pilot I’ve owned for numerous reasons and I love the new design. Looks more like an SUV and not a minivan.
One thing I really don't understand is why so many companies are producing these extreme off road vehicles when nobody really needs a vehicle for that. It's a hobby, leave it to the Wranglers. People wanted manual transmissions but manufacturers said it was too expensive for the limited market. It seems like more people would want a manual than people who drive their vehicles over big stones for fun.
Its not about the capability, its about the image. How many new wranglers and broncos will actually go offroad enough to warrant choosing them over a mommy wagon like this?
First, this is NOT extreme off road capable, this is trail capable. Second, instead of investing in a completely new platform, most companies save $$$ by adding off road capability as a trim on a existing platform. Do you see any other Honda models comparable to Toyota forerunner? Lastly, sale numbers speak volumes about demand hence manufacturers are building these trims.
The Pilot TrailSport is a trim level.
My suspicion is Honda did not develop this for off-road capability for Pilot.
It was developed for next 3rd Gen Ridgeline redesign. Also Passport redesign.
If every Ridgeline had skid plates and slight lift with tuned off-road suspension revamped AWD System. This will give it the much needed off-road cred.
This has been one of Ridgeline biggest complaints.Looks are subjective. They did good in refresh of 2nd Gen. Also got rid of FWD trim. All 1st Gen Ridgeline had 4WD. The towing is other complaint max is 5,000lbs with AWD on 2nd Gen and 1st Gen. The other biggest complaint is lack of ground clearance compared to its competitors. It has them beat On-Road driving. So the people that venture Off-road with Ridgeline or Passport is more than a Pilot. Dirt Bikes, kayaks in bed of Ridgeline. So not develop for Pilot specifically. It just happened to get redesign first.
Honda engineer said TrailSport had to be good On-Road also good Off-road.
I use to think exactly like you in regards to this. But over the years of having Ridgeline in family. My mind has completely changed. Honda did not have any vehicles that really have Off-road capability from factory.
That doesn't mean hard- core rock crawling. Say you get to trail with ditches and ruts. People do go camping so why buy a Jeep vehicle or Toyota,Nissan.
I've watched hundreds of Ridgeline videos. The market is out there.
You hear the people complaining about.
Consumer Reports Ranks Ridgeline High always. But the reason they give for some buyers to skip is lack of off-road potential. So Pilot, Ridgeline,Passport share so many things. I keep pushing Ridgeline,Passport but if somebody wants a larger passenger capable variant. You have Pilot.
Never get this comment that’s always left in videos like this. We take our family hauler off road every time we go on a road trip. Basically anyone that lives out west has very easy access to weekend off roading and getting off the beaten path.
Honda - The Passport needs all the upgrades from the new Pilot! I want a large 2 row crossover.
Alex, another Great Review and Comparison...👍
NO AC outlet on top of 2nd row seats and 3rd row seats. Honda, great job on cutting corners!!! This really makes passengers happy in the summer.
We bought a new MDX last October, and not gonna lie, if I could go back I would just wait for the Pilot. It's basically the same vehicle, you trade a smaller screen for a touchscreen and an extra 5-10k... Definitely worth it :-/ They need to make Acura more premium now that the "base" makes give you premium-ish cars anyway
You get a bigger car too for less money. To me I would choose Acura just for the driving experience difference. I have a 2011 MDX now I like how it drives more then my 2019 Pilot Touring AWD which I traded in due to that awful 9 speed.
That pilot is no where near as nice as that MDX unless you’re looking for more space. Other than that you should be satisfied with the MDX.
MDX is still more luxurious just not as spacious as the pilot.
@@jaytibby based on what I see here, it's really not that different. You get many of the same things just re-arranged (that wireless charger that won't work with newer iPhones due to camera bumps, same shifter, same AC). Seats are leather just as well, and you lose that piano black I was never a fan of in the first place.
Driving should not be that different either I'm assuming. Should be the same platform and SH-AWD is exactly the same as the Honda AWD they have here.
Comparing it to the GLE of a friend, the Acura feels a lot closer to the upper trims of non-luxury brands (Hyundai, this Pilot, CX-9) than to the European premium brands (MB, BMW, or even Volvo). IMHO Honda needs to do some soul searching with Acura and make it more premium. It was always "in between", and with the non-premium brands getting more luxurious, it is getting squeezed out IMHO
@@DavideTestuggine - Agree that MDX needs to up their game. And please, I beg you Acura, LOSE THE PIANO BLACK PLASTIC that shows every scratch that you *will* get. It's SO dumb!
Middle seat is "removable" in lower trims, it has hidden latch and wire that needs to be disconnected.
Lol.. Any seat is removal..
@@jaytibby yes, but this isn't that hard to remove and doesn't need any tool. Just the latch is hidden.
Any idea when the new Ridgeline will be out?
I keep saying this. What if all Ridgeline truck trims come with the TrailSport type hardware. They would need to tune for Pickup Truck Duty. I have feeling they may do this. Possible with Passport also.
My guess is 12-18 months
@@AAutoBuyersGuide This feels like an awful time to get a small truck. Between the Markups on the Maverick and pending release of the 2024 Tacoma and Ridgeline I’m kind of stuck.
The side rear glass looks like an afterthought. It’s does a great disservice to the overall look.
Beautiful background/Landscape in the last shot .
Love to get one. My 2019 touring is about to be paid off, but the damn APR is stopping me
Nice vehicle, great video. Little to large for me don’t need 3 rows. You mentioned in the 1st 2 minutes the next Passport will share the same face, boxier shape,,,Honda has been really pumping out the new models! When do you except the next generation Passport to arrive?
Probably after Ridgeline redesign its up next.
I’ll wait to buy that instead. Almost bought a 23 Passport last weekend. Seeing this has me excited for the redesigned Passport.
I’ve been waiting forever for you to do this one.
We have a 2019 pilot elite. Recently we test drove a 2023 pilot elite. My wife said right away the new pilot rides rougher and the driver seat does not come out as far in comparison tp our 2019 Pilot. So we are in a quandary. Maybe we will look at a odyssey. We want to stay with Honda but they are making it difficult.
Great Review...Spot on in most of the things...Just got my 2023 Pilot TrailSport with HPD Launch Package... Took it to moderate off-road right away...and it didn't disappoint me at all...rather full of surprise! In a good way ofcourse ...
Finally Honda! Thank you for returning back to the more traditional styling language. Much more attractive. I’d buy this.
Sounds like this Pilot is the new king 👑 of the segment. More interior volume, better drivetrain, better off-road capability with a superior all-wheel drive system. Regardless of the screen size, this completely out-classes the Korean twins, Subaru, and Toyota.
Honda left room for improvement, but I would wait and see how this first model of the new generation performs. Hopefully there will be no mechanical and electrical issues.
Problem is they don’t have an Elite with Trailsport package so you can’t get the all around benefits in one vehicle.
Depends on what your values are. The Korean twins (in the top trims) wow you when you open the door and get in. Very nice (seat/dash/LCD displays.) Not so much this Pilot. With that said I'd probably get this over the twins.
I would like to see a comparison between this and the pathfinder
The screen looks misplaced, no traditional shifter and a zonk on the timing belt. I have a Highlander but the Pilot wins with the rear cargo space and headroom for sure, nice vehicle!
I know ground clearance isn't everything, but I'll never not find it amusing that even BASE model Subaru Outbacks have more ground clearance (8.7 inches vs 8.3 inches; and Outback Wilderness editions bump that up to 9.5 inches) than this and other supposedly trail focused SUVs. And some still insist that the Outback is a station wagon.
Outback *is* a wagon - a good wagon! I prefer more depth in my cargo area than I do height because I never load higher than the top of the 2nd row.
You can easily remove the middle bench on the EX-L, but it's not "on the fly." You'll have to disconnect the harness manually which adds a minute or two to the process.
So I am not seeing a LX trim anywhere so this is a little confusing to me that it is mentioned a couple of times. To me the big downside is the small screen, not sure what they were thinking considering the Accord that is coming out has a 10.2 & 12.3
That seems like a weird thing to make up, so since it’s not on the websites I’m guessing somebody at the Honda event told him something that we weren’t meant to hear for a while
Probably it’s coming in a while?
Honda will put info on their site about the LX trim shortly.
@@davewilson7602 yeah didn't think it was made up, was wondering if maybe it was another market getting that trim since I didn't see it on the US site
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Thanks for the clarification
Are you in the US? I checked the US pilot, and we have the "Sport" model has the entry level model. No LX for 2023.
please do a V6 Honda Pilot vs V6 Toyota Highlander video
Side Note: I checked with the dealer and like the Telluride, the Honda engine is 'direct injection' only.....no dual 'direct/ port injection' setup. This means that carbon on the intake valves will likely be a problem down the road as is common with all direct injection only engines..... which can cause decreased performance, rough running engine, etc.
I think Honda did a fantastic job with this new Pilot! More room, more capability, and a nicer interior. Hopefully a new Passport is on the way with a more rugged Trail Sport edition!!
I agree. Redesign Passport and Ridgeline. Hurry Honda don't fail us!!
23 Pilot exhaust is a joke. I wish I knew someone to cut exhaust and feed both thru vents like it suppose to b. Then I would purchase one
Alex, any word on when you will get to drive one back home? Really want to know the numbers on how this stacks up.
Central screen from Accord, Childseat tilt for 2nd row - graet, but for me two things more - PHEV power and prices for Europe:)
Elite is as Elite does, think it should have a 12 inch display.
Get eyeglasses, more common sense approach.
Agreed. It speaks to laziness of the design team for Accord not sharing the new bigger screen (and better software too.)
Or perhaps it was the bean counters wanting to hold to a price point. Or maybe it's just a matter of leaving something for the mid-cycle refresh.
Whatever it is, it's annoying. At the end of the day though, the lack of 4-way lumbar on the driver's seat is more annoying to me than the display size.
Yes...the millennials and women need an iPhone on wheels.
Great job as always! Thanks Alex.☺☺
I take it Honda has abandoned their "lane watch" that came out way before Kia started doing something similar on the Telluride (and Hyundai on the Palisade)? That's too bad if true - that's a feature I appreciate, at least in principal and as seen on UA-cam videos.
This is a really well done review. Thanks.
I loved your review of the Acura TLX TYPE S and I almost bought one but I need more space as the Acura was too small and too compromise can’t wait to finish!!! This video
Does the trailsport have a navigation system? I know it does not have leather seats
7:53 The Ascent has an opening panoramic roof with 8 seats, unless something changed since I got mine in 2018!
Not sure about the current 2023 Ascent, but in the past year, the Ascent Limited trim has available package to add that gives Harman kardon sound system, a pano roof and navigation for $3000 extra, and it comes with 8 seat configuration or 7 seat configuration.
@@blackwhirlwind1245 H.K. sound system is mass-market, may sound great, or it may not. My 2015 Outback 3.6R has an HK that sounds dreadful 😞 Except on Peter Gabriel's album "So."
Great and thorough in-depth review... however, I am more intrigued by its smaller version the Passport TrailSport, and wonder if it has the same off-road chops and transmission as the Pilot TrailSport?
Not the current generation. Let's hope the redesign (assuming there is one) gets the changes, if not more. A Passport Trailsport WITH A HYBRID and closer to 9" of clearance would unquestionably be my next vehicle if it does. Probably not with 23mpg highway and only 8.4" of clearance.
Likely may also have the AWD like the RDX
For Alex, the new Pilot is 12-Inches away from greatness. However, for me, it's a hybrid trim away from supremacy. Honda now truly NEEDS to offer this new Pilot in a hybrid trim, and soon.
Thank you for the review. I’ve had three Honda minivans as well as two Accords. All suffered early warping of brake rotors and needed service and replacement before 36K miles. You’d mentioned that this new Pilot had larger brakes. Do you have some thoughts you might share on its potential reliability?
Same, I hear this model is no different with undersized rotors for its size
The main LCD size isn’t the complaint for me, it’s the complete lack of rear screen with dvd/Blu-ray player. I don’t want to have to give my 2 and 4 year old an iPad and headphones for a road trip instead of having the whole vehicle entertainment like my 2008 pilot has. If my kids were in high school and had their own phones it would be one thing but this entertainment system makes it a no go for a lot of young families. Obviously most young families can’t afford a new one now but that sucks for the used market in 10-15 years
I'm wondering when the new redesign Passport will be available? I gather it would be increase in size.