How Realistic is Warrior Cats? | Those Cat Books at the Book Fair Part 2
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I'm gonna come out and say it. I do not care about the cat genetics in Warriors. It seems really nitpicky and cat designs would be a lot more boring. Now I'm just imagining a storyline where Millie cant have kits and she and Graystripe have to learn how to cope.
same. i'm not reading a fantasy book series with realism in it! besides all designs would be so boring. same with cat behavior. seems people forget that it is fantasy! let the authors have fun with the designs and stuff.
Cat genetics CAN be vibrant if you're creative enough.
They should’ve put in a Millie coming out as neutered scene
I can imagine Millie would be like, "Yeah, I can't have kits. It's no big deal," and the rest of ThunderClan would be f r e a k i n g o u t.
Pinkish-gray cats actually exist. It's called lilac or lavender and it's an dilution of the color chocolate(brown), the same way gray is a dilution of the color black. It is fairly rare, becouse it's a highly recessive trait.
I always found the fan base’s obsession with genetics and realism to be annoying. It’s a fantasy with ghost cats and evil cats coming back from hell to fight the cats of the living. Cats have powers ffs. So what if Blackstar looks stupid? At least he’s recognizable. Nothing in these books are realistic and yet they’re one of the most popular animal fiction books out there (much to my chagrin and amusement).
I do understand that you could make good and iconic designs while following real world cat genetics and to those people who are out there redesigning the characters for fun, more power to you! But like… it’s really not that big of a deal. Like you said. Even watership down is not entirely realistic but no one cares that much because it’s a great book.
Warriors on the other hand just… isn’t. They’re not good books and the cats looking silly is NOT the reason why they’re mediocre.
Edit: Also, please tell me I’m not the only one who dislikes the Warriors redux? I tried reading it and it’s no better than the originals IMO. It’s actually worse in a lot of ways.
Im probably not going to directly talk about the Redux in these videos anymore tbh but yeah, no, I liked it at first but then it took some turns I did not appreciate (ie Sandstorm) and even though it never got finished I read where they were planning on going and they literally stripped the arcs away from multiple characters?? I dont hate it or anything but there were some weird choices for sure
@@GracieFitzpeter
Yeah, I find it to be poorly executed in places. The lore is cool but the actual story and writing are not good and how some of the characters were changed made them more unlikeable (like Bluestar)
We LOVE warrior cats, we just hate how the books are being written now. Also if warrior cats were more realistic, everyone would have soooo many half-siblings and probably have kittens with their parents, the cats would look too similar to each other.
Yes, I’m pretty sure they’d have to do that for it to be deemed adult, in fact that sounds funny because it has this garbage slang surrounded by talk about incest.
Fun fact: Blackstar has an extra toe on each paw. It's a real condition some cats have called polydactyl.
My dog has an extra toe on both his hind legs
Humans can also have it.
True
The great thing about the Warriors universe is that genetics don’t matter and you can mix and match cat features (or make them up!) Until you have a cat that looks however you like! (Also thank you for mentioning Guardians of Ga’Hoole it’s such an underrated series ♥️)
the poppyseed gag was TOO good
"Hawks don't live in England"
As someone who loves both cats and birds of prey, uh... that isn't true. There are loads of species of hawk found in the UK. Goshawks, sparrowhawks, hen harriers, marsh harriers, Monatgu's harriers, ospreys...
Furthermore if you count kites and buzzards, which are close relatives, that's a further 4 species with the buzzard, honey buzzard, red kite and black kite
That's fair. I was aware of goshawks and sparrowhawks and mentioned them quickly in text at 16:32 . I was thinking in terms of how fans through traditional naming treat hawks, which is that if a cat is going to be named after a sparrowhawk or goshawk they'd be called Sparrowhawk- or Goshawk- and not just Hawk-. Kite- and Buzzard- are considered traditional names. But yeah obviously if that's what I meant I should've said that, and that of course wouldn't apply to the hawk that took Snowkit. The statement as it stands is wrong and I apologize.
(Also i noticed I said that cougars only live in North America while a map on screen shows they also live in South America??? That is also wicked embarrassing this entire part of the video is a mess)
I'll make a correction in the next video, thanks!
@@GracieFitzpeter I mean, the rest of the video was great and very informative. The main points about cat behaviour, genetics etc was all very interesting and well spoken. It doesn't make the video bad, it's still a very high quality video and I like it, it's just a minor mistake I felt like pointing out. Otherwise good job 👍
@@someguy9893 Thank you! But don't worry about it, I do want my videos to be as accurate as possible, so I don't mind mistakes being pointed out!
Man it's so great to see 2 people being civil and respectful about this kind of stuff. I'm here for it.
Tbh the cats screaming at each other instead of fighting reminds me of DBZ
Something weird that stood out to me...one of the only unrealistic things about Watership Down (aside from the psychic and supernatural stuff obviously) is that there are two separate instances of a rabbit (Bigwig and Blackavar, respectively) vomiting, and rabbits can't vomit. It's nitpicky, but it goes to show that most of the rest of Watership Down is very realistic.
I’m currently writing a Warrior’s fanfiction set in Canada. There’ll be more fantasy and magic, but the cats in terms of behavior and biology will be more realistic.
Can I read it 🥺🥺🥺
bro same
I live in Canada. Can I read
could i read it? if thats okay of course.
Canada sounds like an interesting location due to the climate
accurate cat genetics make me want to experience with character design. I like putting research into designs and giving explainations to design details. I want to see where i can push the boundaries of these genetics.
Warriors isn't set in England, but the forest territories are based off of a place there.
Underrated you tuber
Now I'm imagining spiderleg just sleeping on his back and sunning his belly all the time lol
How realistic is Warriors?
I don't know dude, showing feral domestic cats as wild animals that can survive perfectly well in the forest without any ecological consequences is unrealistic enough for me.
How realistic is warrior cats?
Me: depends on the day
Is no one talking about Skystar (A light grey cat with his parents also being grey) and Storm, (Whose a grey tabby) making a bright fire coloured tabby? (Thunder star)
imagine a twoleg walks into cats fighting spirits
There are famously many hawks in england
yes
epic video. part 3 when? love your content
Thank you! I actually was planning on having the third video up in September, but the upload of my most recent video was so stressful I took the entire month off. I have a draft of the script done though, so it is *coming*
@@GracieFitzpeter So glad to hear you are keeping this up! I admire content creators so much for all the effort they put into making entertaining and informative videos. So happy to have discovered your channel and subscribed to you, I'm looking forward to further analysis of Hell Cat Franchise (which I am... TOO familiar with as someone who got reinvested in the fandom recently... ^^; )
"how realistic is warriors?"
well, female cats just all of a sudden get pregnant, even tho.. um they do nothing-
I mean, sometimes they go out on hunting patrols with their canon love interests and no one else--
Also about the cougar thing being in North and South America, there is a so called ‘legend’ about a big cat in south England lmao. The beast of Bodmin moor is what it is called but as it says in the title it’s only been ‘sighted’ in Bodmin moor not some mountains xD I thought it would be kinda interesting to tell everyone :)
I'm just saying these are books about cats that talk and have a religion and I don't think they need to be perfect about ginetics
They say they don’t want gay characters in warriors because it doesn’t fit in
I think it would be a great way to show young children that it’s completely fine
Oh well, I have fan fiction at least
I thought they didn't want gay characters because it would be banned in some countries?
@@eladiel7749 Or just the fact that cats wouldn't know what "gay" or other sexualities mean
fun fact: the darkest hour page 233 is too graphic for my sister elementary school library
While I would ADORE a plot line about TNR, I have a feeling the series doesn't want to demonise it. Maybe that's why they never bring up fixing cats passed the first book, they don't want young fans getting the impression it's a bad thing
Here before this gets recommended to everyone. Great video, by the way!
My bff runs a rescue called feisty felines where their whole job is to trap neuter/spay vaccinate and rerelease feral and stray cats 😅 I live right next to a feral cat colony and that's completely why I read these books
Honestly, while I understand the things you're saying here re: kids not noticing, I also think...you're not giving kids enough credit at the same time? I can't speak for everyone, but animals were one of my Special Interests as a child, and I devoured as many things as I could about animal behavior and everything about them. The whole reason I loved books like Watership down as a child was because the authors took as much pain and care and love as I did as a child towards the animals and real world they were writing about, and the mythology that was given for the rabbits also echoed and mirrored real world mythology as an explanation and comfort for How The World Is. Given another special interest of mine as a child was mythology, I LOVED that it was incorporating those! Because of the real world observations and behaviors mentioned in the books, it led me to look up much more on rabbits and opened my eyes to an animal I just kind of took for granted at the time. Another fictional story I loved was Black Beauty, which had the same 'human-like' animals, but talked about how 18th century humans treated horses at the time, and specifically talked about horse behavior and anatomy in a way that made it clear the writer had been around and loved horses deeply.
Meanwhile, I tried to read the Warriors books and just bounced right off. I'd interacted with or watched enough cats to know most of the behaviors in the books were just plain wrong, and the Starclan religious system felt too much like christianity instead of the belief systems I'd read about in mythology with people who were closer to nature or in the past. They genuinely did feel like just people in cat costumes, and I wasn't looking for that. I wanted a story that, while would never be 100% real to life, would give the same amount of love and care towards the frankly fascinating social lives and dynamics of cats and make fun and entertaining stories within that construct. Instead...I basically got magic human in cat costumes doing very un-cat things that broke my suspension of disbelief.
Like, the little snippet of the writing where the person describes the cat 'war cry' way of disputing territory was honestly more fascinating to me than any of the fight scenes I'd read in the book, because it's based on both cat behavior and ancient human pre-war rituals (i.e. the War Cry). For me, at the very least, while I do think the society the books have built are fascinating, there's just not enough grounding in the reality they've set it in to not feel lazy at best and very disrespectful and almost uncaring about the potential, non-human outlook the domestic cat has. The main issue is the *breaking of the suspension of disbelief*, and I feel a lot of people inherently feel that way about the Warrior series, but can see the inherent potential it has as a narrative and wants it to be better.
Yeah fair. I think it depends on the person. I pointed out a couple things that I could tell were blatantly wrong when I was a child, but I also didn't care enough about those things to stop reading. I personally dont see the lack of realism as being anywhere close to the series biggest flaw, but I understand to someone who cares about and is knowledgable about cats and cat behavior the series is probably completely unreadable.
@@GracieFitzpeter absolutely. I don't think that because you didn't specify ALL children, doesn't mean you think that there wasn't children that are exceptions to the statement.
I can understand how you feel, although in my case I add a couple of things. As someone who loves animals in general and wants to look up everything about them. The very idea of showing domestic cats and selling them to me as if they were "wild" capable of surviving on their own in a forest without any natural consequences is cursed.
If cat genetics existed, the series couldn't exist. Nutmeg is a brown tabby, and Jake is an Orange tabby. Since Firestar is a male, he would get his mother's and father's X chromosomes. This would mean that Firestar was brown. Many people don't think that trough when talking about cat genetics.
Idea: Make Jake a trans tom, and Firestar the biological son of Tallstar and Jake.
I LOVE HOW YOU REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT SKYCLAN LMAO
A TNR plot line is actually good fanfic fuel.
"the 600 page book i accidentally bought with my moms debit card" i desperately want to know more. did it come in the mail??? did you have to explain yourself??????
16:06 how is this a kids series, it seems like it’s more teen than kid
Dang, never once did I think about cat genetics. I geuss I didn't think too hard about their appearances that much. I also didn't think about the incest either sooo
Ooo stay tuned for the next video!
@@GracieFitzpeter I will! I really enjoy these btw
Good point about homophobia and sexism in fantasy books :(
u should make a video based on bramblestar and squirrelflight or ships and canon couples in general
I am one person who is completely rewriting the series. Not because I hate the events or anything, but for the sake of an AU.
As I have came up with an idea of "What if Thistleclaw was leader of ThunderClan" as the main idea. In which ThunderClan sides/aligns itself with ShadowClan when Brokenstar is ShadowClan's leader. Thus leading to both ShadowClan and ThunderClan teaming up to drive out WindClan.
Some other what if scenarios in here are
"What if Rusty joined WindClan"
"What if Badgerfang survived"
"What if Bluefur left ThunderClan and joined RiverClan"
"What if all of Bluefur's kits survived"
And just some more
Why did I really have a fanfic idea for warriors being tnr’d the story before I watched this part.....
so that's why my cat started going brown I was so confused
1:53 EXCUSE ME?!?
How do you only have 200 followers Your litteraly Hilarous
311 now!
my cat who fights dogs on a nearly daily basis... 😅😅
Redtail is my trans king, i get big mad when they change his colour.
Wait... I have the same blanket as you!
THE POPPYSEEDS.
Holy fuck she predicted a film theory
Umm im confused there are hawks in England?
Crepuscular is actually pronounced cre-puss-cu-lar sorry if that isn't explained good, I'm not really good at explaining anything 💀
Smudge is said to be altered
Honestly, i like the genetics argument with the really obvious things at least cause it gives an excuse for charaters that are say trans.
I don’t really have a problem with the genetic abnormalities. As long as they aren’t trying to make it accurate I don’t have a problem with it not being.
I watched the first vid and it seems to complicated for my 2 brain cells to understand so instead of reading them myself im gonna let you do the reading for me, also you get my like and sub
Ruby is so beautiful.
Blackstar is the only one whose genetics I ever questioned, bc like?? Black markings only on his feet?? What?? Every other cat description seemed fine, altho I never thought about Spiderleg being black with the rusting on his belly, which is funny, since I literally have a cat exactly like that, lmao.
I just pretend he’s colorpoint. Makes so much more sense.
@HollowMist Maybe it was opposite day?
I'll have to disagree with you just a little bit.
I too think that cat genetics being 100% accurate wouldn't make the books better, and that such inaccuracies are not necessarily bad when it comes to fantasy stories.
BUT the genre these books are being written in is called xenofiction. Xenofiction is specifically based in creating media that tells stories through the eyes of non-humans, creating unique scenarios that wouldn't happen if they were humans. If the cats are just "small furry humans", that doesn't give us much to work with at all, does it?
In my opinion Warriors books are decent-to-mid fantasy books but very very very bad xenofiction books.
will the movie really come out?
i thought it wont happen cuz we havent heard anything abaut them latley
my cats are more like wild cats they leave the house for hours at a time hunt wild animals don't wear collars but they always come back
I'm making a warriors fancition ;-;
Thank you so much for sating my insatiable thirst for content about these dumb cat books
lol 18:13
OMG YES POPPY SEEDS
So your cat genetics are a bit out of date but good video for the most part.
13:26
Cat
ummmm....
Lol
I don't get why people think that gay cats or honestly even trans cats are unrealistic, gayness is everywhere in nature basically in one way or another and transness well while not in house cats at least sex-nonconforming behavior has been observed in lions where lionesses take the place of lions in a pride and even grow manes. If those animals had a functioning complex society like ours its not really a stretch at all that some of them would be trans. But yeah, even if that wasnt the case, it really is just a stupid excuse when youre talking about cats who literally get described by the author as little people lol.
is this actually true, like do lionesses take the place of lions in a pride?? how does that work?? that literally sounds so badass what 😭😭
@@ivantlove Its not common but it has been reported before If you look up "lioness grows mane" there's an article that pops up about it
Cats screaming woke up my cat
Another thing that really unrealistic is no cat that people have are fix