If only every DIY video were this concise, yet thorough. I really appreciate how much trouble you went through to explain everything (including the specs for distance and angle) and light every shot. THIS video is what UA-cam University is all about. Bless you, Kelly
bro you explained in the video all the smallest details. That was beautiful, and that is what distinguishes you from the rest. Even though I did not speak English well, I understood everything
if you put your upper links closer together at the axle youll create more angle at the upper links which will help with side loading and greatly lengthen the life of your upper heims.
So much good info, Im glad I clicked on this video. My situation is a bit different. I have a lowered 2wd street truck that I want to get completely rid of the leaf springs and convert it to coilovers. The geometry is so important and I haven't been able to find a good video on that anywhere.
Pro tip for welding .. I’ve welded brackets near my whole life on boats. And you don’t have room. Practice using a mirror and for welding use a bent low hydrogen rod (for strength). In a restricted position this will work.
This is the step by step, how too, with tips and tricks I have been looking for!!!! Amazing video, great job!! now it’s time to spend some money!!! Thanks again!
Ive got the titanium 200 unlimited. I love mine. Welds amazing. Crazy what kinda performance it gives vs its price. Nice link setup man.its got me thinking
I am thinking of leaving my leaf springs in for as long as possible while I build it ,that way it holds it exactly where it should and I won't cut them out until the last possible moment when I have to ,what do you think of that idea?, I forgot to add I'll be working on a 98 Toyota Tacoma 4x4
Im probably going to have a lot of questions because im in the process of trying to lift my jeep but i need some guidance as to how to do it i want to run 38s on it but i want to do it correctly 😅
Does the lower link bracket on the axle have to be below the center line of the axle? Having problems getting my arm separation on the axle correct. Thanks!
They were not available when I was doing my project, but they are a little more expensive, less noise and rebuildable. So I would have preferred to use those, but I couldn’t get them at the time. But I can always upgrade to them later on.
Dude! This was a great video. Helpful info and quality how to with what you showed. totally something I can do now that I have watched this. Thank you!
So the inner frame link mount (upper link bracket not on truss) is set at 20 degrees from the factory, that is you have to weld it together and is there tabs so the bracket goes together only 1 way so you can weld it? Thanks !
They have 0,10 or 20 degree brackets. There are no tabs to hold it into place to accommodate different mounting widths. So you just install your joint, tack it together and take the joint out and fully weld it.
Excellent video, one question is the top link flat at ride height and how did you determine that. If a guy was starting from scratch on a project would it be best to order springs first?
Muddy B. Where is your garage located? I have a 2001 S10 quadcab with a 6 inch rough country lift. But, I want it with a link like this on the rear. Can it be done? Thanks.
I'm building a rat rod. I was under the impression that you want the trans yoke to match angle of rear end yoke...not one pointed at the other??? Please help?!?!
Super good job. I know it is too late but have you heard about the Weld Through Primer. I wished I had it when I did my axle truss.Keep up the great work. P.S. I found you on Dirt Lifestyle.
I live in Yelm. Figure it's fairly close to where Muddy Beards live. Anyway, want to get into fabricating my own Jeep stuff like you. Where do I get tubing, plate steel, etc.? Tacoma, Lakewood? I'll go where you guys go. Thank you.
awesome video.. cant find the coilover setup vid :( did you 4 link the front as well? would love to see that. You explain things very well so it would be cool to see how to do it with steering and oil pans etc.
I have been getting emails about this lately. I believe I will make a video finishing up the rear and also explaining the front setup as well. Thanks for watching🤟🏻
With this type of four link am I correct in thinking you will have to run a bar of some kind to keep the axle centered or will the triangulation be enough?
@@MuddyBeards4X4 out of curiosity. You can do the exact same thing with the front axle as well? Or do you think having the Trac bar and "3link" is best?
The front is more complicated, I went with the 3 link and trac bar because of clearance. The oil pan and exhaust would be in the way of the link on the passenger side so a lot of modifications would need to be done. Radius arms would work, or the 3 link.
@@MuddyBeards4X4 very true. Wasn't thinking about any of that. Thank you for taking the time to explain, greatly appreciated! Great videos by the way I find them very helpful, and full of information. Also, just as a FYI, I enjoy the wheeling videos too. Seems like you have a great group of people!
Would a set-up like this be street legal and if so would you recommend it... Love the idea of all this for my daily driver that hits the trails and rocks as well. Just looking for some advice on it all beforehand.
As far as legality you would have to look up your local laws as I do not drive this on the street. This would definitely be an upgrade compared to factory.
How are you getting away with 20 degrees on your pinion angle ??? All my research says 5 degrees is where you want it to be and honestly I’m having a problem achieving 5 degrees on my build right now. Any info would be a huge help thanks
The pinion angle doesn’t reflect the u- joint working angle. You adjust your pinion angle to achieve the proper u joint working angle which should be around Zero on a coil spring vehicle and about 2 degrees down (negative) on a leaf sprung vehicle. Adams driveshaft website has some good references in the “angle picture” tab.
Thanks, a known spot on the axle and frame. So measures and make a mark in the same spot on both sides of the axle. I would actually recommend getting a laser, they are only like $60 and makes life easier. I bought a laser and checked it after I was all done and it was all perfectly centered so the plum bobs do work.
Hello ! Can you explain me the difference for making 4 link suspension on reduced axle ? May be you have calculator for such process ? (Sorry for my pigeon english , a,m from Ukraine ) .
Great Video, very informative. Can you clear a couple of things up though? I got lost on how you came up with the 9.5” spacing between upper and lower links at the axle instead of the 10” you mentioned in the beginning. Was this from the calculator you mentioned? Also what determined where you set the first LCA bracket on the frame? Was that set by the bracket or the kit from Barnes? Or was your LCA a set number and you just verified the measurement?
I ended up at 9” of axle link separation, the 9.5” was because of the extra 1/2” on top of the framing square. At 10” the Lca bracket on the axle was just hanging down too low. The lca bracket on the frame I located it as far back as possible, up against my skid plate and then measured everything off of that. Thanks for watching🤟🏻
What length coilovers are you running in the rear? I have the metalcloak long arm kit and triangulated rear. I’m currently trying to maximize my rear suspension. Doing the frenched towers etc. the part I am trying to figure out is at full up travel my driveshaft is bottomed out. Now if I go full droop to the 14” I want my driveshaft comes apart.
What are the benefits of the 9 inch over the 8.8? Also what is the width difference of the two? Awesome video man. I have been considering that exact 4 link kit from Barnes.
Nice, I am planning on doing a video on this, but I am a little overwhelmed trying to get everything done before Easter Jeep Safari. I will get to it eventually.
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If only every DIY video were this concise, yet thorough. I really appreciate how much trouble you went through to explain everything (including the specs for distance and angle) and light every shot. THIS video is what UA-cam University is all about. Bless you, Kelly
Thanks man I really appreciate that👍🏻
Best 4-link explanation I've seen, hands down! Thanks for demystifying proper locations, degrees, parts, and all that good stuff.
Thanks 👊🏻
I heard 'plug weld' --smart man. You should be proud of yourself.
bro you explained in the video all the smallest details. That was beautiful, and that is what distinguishes you from the rest. Even though I did not speak English well, I understood everything
I've come back to watch this vid multiple times, and it's still one of the best vids for explaining geometry in a simple yet thorough way
Thanks👊🏻
Even after all this time I still come back and refer to this video. Thanks brother for a great DIY Lesson!!!!
Awesome 🤟🏻
THE BEST VIDEO ON THE SUBJECT ! VERY DETAILED, i WISHED TO LIVE CLOSE BY YOUR PLACE.
Appreciate the good diy how to video. This might be my send it video for the rear end on my xj
This is the best explanation video on 4 links I've seen. Thanks
Thanks I appreciate it🤟🏻
Thanks for the Numbers Game. Now we can get to Welding.
if you put your upper links closer together at the axle youll create more angle at the upper links which will help with side loading and greatly lengthen the life of your upper heims.
So it is better to make them closer?
HE'S NOT LYING ABOUT THOSE TJ FRAMES !!
So much good info, Im glad I clicked on this video. My situation is a bit different. I have a lowered 2wd street truck that I want to get completely rid of the leaf springs and convert it to coilovers.
The geometry is so important and I haven't been able to find a good video on that anywhere.
Go to RideTech on UA-cam
Pro tip for welding .. I’ve welded brackets near my whole life on boats. And you don’t have room. Practice using a mirror and for welding use a bent low hydrogen rod (for strength). In a restricted position this will work.
I just got my rear 4 link done on my xj and love the way it rides now!
what did you do for springs? coil overs or did you weld in spring perches?
Excellent presentation, one of the best 4 link DIY on UA-cam.
Great video. My son just bought toyota axles for his 91 trooper project and he wants to link them under it. He is 10 years old with wheeling passion.
Nice video! This actually gave me some confidence that one day I could 4 link swap my montero sport. Just gotta learn to weld now..
This is the step by step, how too, with tips and tricks I have been looking for!!!! Amazing video, great job!! now it’s time to spend some money!!! Thanks again!
Thanks, lol. Yes, lots of money🤟🏻
Lots of great info here, thanks for putting this vid together!!!
Very good video. U explain so well. Doesn't seem so foreign now.
Thanks 👊🏻
Good stuff right here! I'm planning a similar 4 link setup for a mud truck I'm building.
Nice 👊🏻
@@MuddyBeards4X4 good knowledge on this video!! I'm trying to learn as much as I can get before I attack this project. Haha
If you have 30 degrees on the top links in 10 degrees on the bottom links that still gives you 40 degrees overall
I run open gear lube on my joints... no squeak no rust
Great job! Greetings from Brazil!
Awesome man! Explained very nicely 👌.
Ive got the titanium 200 unlimited. I love mine. Welds amazing. Crazy what kinda performance it gives vs its price. Nice link setup man.its got me thinking
Yep, I love it so far too. No problems. Works great every time I use it.
They do awsome on aluminum as well!
I am thinking of leaving my leaf springs in for as long as possible while I build it ,that way it holds it exactly where it should and I won't cut them out until the last possible moment when I have to ,what do you think of that idea?, I forgot to add I'll be working on a 98 Toyota Tacoma 4x4
Im put 9 inch in,done with d44.2000 tj ls soon
Awesome video going in depth on four linking the rear. 👊🏻
Thanks👍🏻
This really makes me wanna 4 link my truck, I don’t offroad it but
4 link is always a good idea 👍🏻
Yea a few things that a DIY could mess up. Thanks for spelling that out.
Awesome job. Very clean !
Awesome. This has been on my mind lately. I hope to get it done this year
Nice 👍🏻
Good job..next proj..thanks for this video
Are the upper and lower control arms the same length?
Im probably going to have a lot of questions because im in the process of trying to lift my jeep but i need some guidance as to how to do it i want to run 38s on it but i want to do it correctly 😅
Be nice if you had the facility to pull the body off. Doing it this way is brutal, as opposed to bare frame.
We dig the content Kelly, you guys keep it up!
Just make sure POR 15 undercoating / paint underneath everywhere .
Thanks, well done. Very useful. I'll be doing this to my 73 mustang in the near future. Doesn't look too complicated.
Nice man, good luck
Does the lower link bracket on the axle have to be below the center line of the axle? Having problems getting my arm separation on the axle correct. Thanks!
What are the pros/cons of running Barns' Enduro joint as opposed to heims?
They were not available when I was doing my project, but they are a little more expensive, less noise and rebuildable. So I would have preferred to use those, but I couldn’t get them at the time. But I can always upgrade to them later on.
Was your plumb bob centered to the tube center or the front edge?
Just found this video. Great detail. Very much appreciated. Thank you!!! Like, subscribed, etc.
This video is going to help my son a lot on his TJ build, thanks! (I like the leafs on the back of my XJ, they’ll be staying😂)
Dude!
This was a great video. Helpful info and quality how to with what you showed. totally something I can do now that I have watched this.
Thank you!
Thanks, good luck with the build.
Great video, Kelly! Can't wait to see it work. Thanks for all the information
Me too👊🏻 lol
Really great tips. I’m gonna have to learn how to do this
Barnes 4WD makes a 3 link kit for the JK, Get on it!
I'm not getting 40 degree angle on the upper links. How can I get the 40 degree on an early bronco? Thank you!
Nice setup!
Thanks👊🏻
Is it basically the same basic rules with a trailing arm that the shock mounts in the center vs what u did
(For prerunner)
Fantastic video! Did you go to a trade school to learn this or school of hard knocks?
Thanks🤟🏻
I'm gonna do this on my Minitruck
Great video thank you.. Question, does the same apply to build a street suspension for a little truck? Please, it is my project. Thank you
Same concept applies for any 4 link suspension
So the inner frame link mount (upper link bracket not on truss) is set at 20 degrees from the factory, that is you have to weld it together and is there tabs so the bracket goes together only 1 way so you can weld it? Thanks !
They have 0,10 or 20 degree brackets. There are no tabs to hold it into place to accommodate different mounting widths. So you just install your joint, tack it together and take the joint out and fully weld it.
thanks for sharing this amazing video.
God bless you n your family .
Awesome video!!! I would not have the patience for 4linking...lol!!!!
Thanks
What is the diameter for the tubs? Inside and outside
How do you like the Titan welder?
Perfect timing . I'm starting to plan a 4 link in the rear of my xj. I know it's not the same, but the theory should be . Thanks
Yep, theory’s the same but you will have a few more steps for sure, lol.
Looking great Kelly!
Thanks👊🏻
I know this sounds dumb but does the dom tubing come with the kit? I’m new to this
You can get kits either way, with DOM tube or without.
@@MuddyBeards4X4 alright thank you
So, upper bars flat as possible and whatever max angle on the bottom, is at ride height, right?
Correct at ride height
Excellent video, one question is the top link flat at ride height and how did you determine that. If a guy was starting from scratch on a project would it be best to order springs first?
Muddy B. Where is your garage located? I have a 2001 S10 quadcab with a 6 inch rough country lift. But, I want it with a link like this on the rear. Can it be done? Thanks.
I'm building a rat rod. I was under the impression that you want the trans yoke to match angle of rear end yoke...not one pointed at the other??? Please help?!?!
You want some angle in the U joints typically 1-3 degrees is the working angle.
How would you verify, you have the right size bump stops and or the correct number of hockey pucks?
Is it possible to do on a 94 Ford Bronco?
Yes, same concept for pretty much any vehicle.
Would it be advisable to use a welding blanket to cover the fuel / brake lines?
Yes, anytime I was near there I had everything wrapped in a welding blanket👍🏻
Great video! I’ll be saving it for later!
Super good job. I know it is too late but have you heard about the Weld Through Primer. I wished I had it when I did my axle truss.Keep up the great work. P.S. I found you on Dirt Lifestyle.
Thanks man, I never heard of it either, I will check it out👊🏻
Question, do those calculations also apply to to a street 4 link? thank you
Great job
I live in Yelm. Figure it's fairly close to where Muddy Beards live. Anyway, want to get into fabricating my own Jeep stuff like you. Where do I get tubing, plate steel, etc.? Tacoma, Lakewood? I'll go where you guys go. Thank you.
Oh, yeah, this is my wife's account. My name is Jack.
Jack, I don’t know anywhere out there, but I get my metal from interwest metals in fife.
Very nice and good job 👍
do these rules apply when youre doing a dual triangulated 4 link as well
im getting ready to do my mini truck so im just trying to make sure i got all the knowledge i need before getting into it
awesome video.. cant find the coilover setup vid :( did you 4 link the front as well? would love to see that. You explain things very well so it would be cool to see how to do it with steering and oil pans etc.
I have been getting emails about this lately. I believe I will make a video finishing up the rear and also explaining the front setup as well. Thanks for watching🤟🏻
With this type of four link am I correct in thinking you will have to run a bar of some kind to keep the axle centered or will the triangulation be enough?
The upper triangulated arms are enough, you don’t need a trac bar.
@@MuddyBeards4X4 out of curiosity. You can do the exact same thing with the front axle as well? Or do you think having the Trac bar and "3link" is best?
Thanks for the reply. I am sort of new to this stuff and was unsure.
The front is more complicated, I went with the 3 link and trac bar because of clearance. The oil pan and exhaust would be in the way of the link on the passenger side so a lot of modifications would need to be done. Radius arms would work, or the 3 link.
@@MuddyBeards4X4 very true. Wasn't thinking about any of that. Thank you for taking the time to explain, greatly appreciated! Great videos by the way I find them very helpful, and full of information. Also, just as a FYI, I enjoy the wheeling videos too. Seems like you have a great group of people!
Would a set-up like this be street legal and if so would you recommend it... Love the idea of all this for my daily driver that hits the trails and rocks as well. Just looking for some advice on it all beforehand.
As far as legality you would have to look up your local laws as I do not drive this on the street. This would definitely be an upgrade compared to factory.
Great vid. Very helpful
Great video man!!! Loved it!!
Thanks man, appreciate it🤟🏻
How are you getting away with 20 degrees on your pinion angle ??? All my research says 5 degrees is where you want it to be and honestly I’m having a problem achieving 5 degrees on my build right now. Any info would be a huge help thanks
The pinion angle doesn’t reflect the u- joint working angle. You adjust your pinion angle to achieve the proper u joint working angle which should be around Zero on a coil spring vehicle and about 2 degrees down (negative) on a leaf sprung vehicle. Adams driveshaft website has some good references in the “angle picture” tab.
great video i will be doing this soon but i do have one Newbe question, when your using the plumb bob, what are measuring or lining up with it?
Thanks, a known spot on the axle and frame. So measures and make a mark in the same spot on both sides of the axle. I would actually recommend getting a laser, they are only like $60 and makes life easier. I bought a laser and checked it after I was all done and it was all perfectly centered so the plum bobs do work.
Hello ! Can you explain me the difference for making 4 link suspension on reduced axle ? May be you have calculator for such process ? (Sorry for my pigeon english , a,m from Ukraine ) .
Hello from Tri-Cities Washington
Would this work on a tube rear frame 1970s ford prerunner
Do you have a link for the heim joints you used?
barnes4wd.com/muddybeards
It’s all Barnes4wd parts
so everything was done on ride height correct ?
Size of the heim joint brg?
Wow amazing man grate job kip it up .. awesome
How do you like that baur bandsaw? Been thinking about one of those....
The saw has been great not issues.
Great Video, very informative. Can you clear a couple of things up though? I got lost on how you came up with the 9.5” spacing between upper and lower links at the axle instead of the 10” you mentioned in the beginning. Was this from the calculator you mentioned? Also what determined where you set the first LCA bracket on the frame? Was that set by the bracket or the kit from Barnes? Or was your LCA a set number and you just verified the measurement?
I ended up at 9” of axle link separation, the 9.5” was because of the extra 1/2” on top of the framing square. At 10” the Lca bracket on the axle was just hanging down too low. The lca bracket on the frame I located it as far back as possible, up against my skid plate and then measured everything off of that. Thanks for watching🤟🏻
Excelente video!! Se aprende mucho! 👏👏
how many stretch did you get here?
Not sure exactly how much front or rear but I am at 98” wheelbase.
Have you designed & applied for Landcruiser GX80 barndoors?
What length coilovers are you running in the rear? I have the metalcloak long arm kit and triangulated rear. I’m currently trying to maximize my rear suspension. Doing the frenched towers etc. the part I am trying to figure out is at full up travel my driveshaft is bottomed out. Now if I go full droop to the 14” I want my driveshaft comes apart.
They are 14”.
What are the benefits of the 9 inch over the 8.8? Also what is the width difference of the two? Awesome video man. I have been considering that exact 4 link kit from Barnes.
Nice, I am planning on doing a video on this, but I am a little overwhelmed trying to get everything done before Easter Jeep Safari. I will get to it eventually.
I have the same welder works great🤟🏼💯