need i be the elephant in the room??? reaching under a vehicle to insert a stand is just as dangerous as not using one. the only difference is the amount of exposure to the hazard. what happens if it drops while you are placing the stand before it in place???
Why this is stupid you are not under the car jack stand are useless in this situation Rayman mind your own business nothing unsafe there no one under there
@@legros731 Didn't you see the tech re-installing the wheel/tire; both his legs were under the vehicle. Okay, maybe it doesn't kill him, but I don't think he'd appreciate a broken leg or two either. This definitely is a potentially dangerous situation.
@@chuckgrenci6404 man there something called the brake disk/drum the car would have not crush him Anyway jack are way more safe than you think the guy not going on the car he simply install a wheel Secondly there a thing called natural selection let the stupid die we don't need them to reproduce anyway lol
I use a 3.5 inch wood block on my floor jack all the time, but the block is custom fitted to the jack saddle and can't slip off. As soon as the car is up in the air far enough though, a pair of jack stands go under it and the jack gets released.
@@chuckgrenci6404 I wouldn't even trust the jack stands enough to do that. I work on cars with some really corroded jack points, and one time I heard a crunching sound and saw one corner of the car drop a half inch or so. I always use ramps whenever I'm not working around the wheels.
My next move would be this. Next time it happens instead of using a jack stand, lower it down as far as you can and make a loud noise that would make him think it fell on its own and watch the panic as he learns a lesson. I know it would cause me to panic a bit.
Joke, yes, but a very important safety point - NEVER trust a floor jack with your life. Getting pinned under a piece of crap like that will rearrange your priorities big style real fast.
Yes sir I was young and dumb when I was changing a flat on my car. I had just got the tire on and a little snug when the jack broke and the car came crashing down with the jack shooting half way down the driveway. From then on I always use a jack stand.
My brother in law got pinned under his 69 mercury marquis thank goodness my sister was around and heard him yelling for help she literally picked up the corner of that car enough for him to get out from underneath, she is only 120 lbs
@@richardlambert1544 My very first girlfriend's mother did the same thing. The youngest kids in the family were pinned under a car when it rolled back. The mother picked the car off the kids, so they could get out. It is amazing what a person can do when necessary.
If you were caught using a jack without stands it was instant dismissal from my workplace. No arguments. Big sign on the wall said "Axle stands MUST be used at ALL times - or look for a new job!"
That is personal rule, that I live by. I still remember when I was about 16 years old or so, my best friend at the time, I was at their house one day. And his dad just happened to be working on his Olds Cutlass Ciera, about an '89 model or so. Anyhow when we came back outside the house to leave, the car had fallen off the jack and pinned him under the car, not even sure how long he had been like that. But we had to rush over there and try and get the car lifted back off his chest. Luckily, he wasn't too badly injured. I think he might of broken a rib, but all things considered, he got pretty lucky.
What was more puzzling is that the guy didn't seem to understand how stands are used. The fact he was trying to remove it without lifting the car first...
@@Cheepchipsable Depending on how deep I am under the car, at my own house, if no part of me can get pinned and it's a light looksee or changing a tire, I do it on the jack. If I'm doing something quick like an inspection where my head is in the wheel well, I put a stand under but don't lower on to it. If I'm putting my body actually under the car where it would get pinned, it's a jackstand with full weight, plus the jack taking up a hair of weight, just enough to stay put. I don't play where it comes to getting pinned. So he noticed he was closer to the stand, and checked it, before realizing it was there by the book. So Ray still got him in a way, and hopefully he realizes it's not just a joke.
I had a jack fail while working on a hub. The tire saved me because my dad taught me the rim can keep the frame off the ground. I got two nice jack stands for Christmas that year. I love them and the danger they save me from!
I've worked EMS for years as a paramedic and if people saw the death and disability I've worked from car fall mishaps, they'd never work under a car without multiple jack stands again. Carry on and continue to play shop safety officer. You probably have or will save someone's life.
Same. 20yrs on the ol cabulance. Seen more death, dismemberment, pain and suffering from unsafe work practices than I care to admit. A few seconds ago extra work could save your life. Common sense is a trait that’s been bred out of humanity over the last 40yrs.
I helped a buddy put a steering box in an Monte Carlo SS. Left front in air no jack stand, both of us under car. Stopped for a greasy handed sandwich, while we ate 10 feet away car crashed to concrete. We both turned white. Yes it was the orting in a new floor jack. We've never gone without jack stands since. We were stupid but lucky.
I do a similar thing where I work to help teach the younger generation good habits. Making it a 'prank' or a 'game' seems to leave a long lasting impression on them vs. just outright telling them how it should be done. Good job, Ray!
The jack was double cringe worthy because that was a narrow-squarish block of wood that could have rolled with the slightest of jiggles. A 4x6 (or any rectangular) would also be safer while giving a chance to put the proper stand in place.
Option "b" is come by and "borrow" the jack mid-use. "Hey dude, gonna borrow this for a sec" and drop it before he can say anything. Courtesey MAY dictate providing a pair of substitute underwear, but it would be a memorable lesson! Kidding! (mostly? or am I?)
Yes very pertinent, never work on a on ansupported load. before I retired we were at a safety training session at work (nuclear power generation) in the UK. They asked what was the worst safety related thing you have witnessed, A friend and shiftmate said a man across the road was working on a car when the jack collapsed and he had to listen to the man die as the car crushed him He was around 9yrs old at the time. That shocked most of the shift as we were all rescue and 1st aid trained.
It was a flipped over tractor. But my 2 uncle's were kids and they had to watch their dad do the same. Late 50s middle of nowhere KY. Always remember to be safe but realize there is no safe.
The high counsel agrees. 3 months of sorting every little thing in the shop and making sure that the fire extinguisher is always full of air. All the OSHA safety checks. Matter of fact. I don't trust him to do safety checks on the fire extinguisher. I don't even trust him to mop the floor.
@@werberderber6209 Chances are he sold them on! Problem is you get lazy because you lift a car thousands of time without incident, and getting the stands is a hassle. I'm not saying don't do it, but as the saying goes, "Familiarity breeds contempt"
@@Cheepchipsable I agree, my dad was a mechanic and when I was 16 I did that, even thou I was 16 he smacked me around a bit, but my dad also took me and my brothers (10 and 11yrs old) out into a field and shot several pumpkins with with a .308 rifle , .357 pistol and a shotgun and said this is your head if you play around with guns. We were getting ready to go hunting the next week and he wanted to get his point across, he did.
I remember back in the day doing tire changes and this guy did the same thing. Unfortunately, they failed to put the parking brakes on and it slid off the block and caused the shop to buy the customer a new jeep. when i came back to work i never saw him again. Lucky, it was only a insurance claim, and not some ones life. Imagine if your shop buddy was under there, you regret that for life.
I caught my son doing this on his VW Jetta, I reamed him a new one, he is 28 years old and I taught him to never jack up a car or take the tires off with out stands and he still did it. Hopefully he uses them every time now.
Nice work Ray. Safety first and i was always taught never to trust Hydraulic jack,s. My dad was in the army and said he saw a man get crushed and die by a falling hydraulic jack and that has always stuck with me. Cheers Ray
Just as a reminder: If you have jack stands from Harbor Freight, there is a recall on some of them from about 2 years ago. Just search "Harbor Freight jack stand recall" The reason I remind people is because I had a set of mine fail. Fortunately I wasn't under the truck when it happened. It was up on 4 stands and I had wood blocks under the wheels just in case, but when the stands in the front let go it rolled forward off the blocks and all four wheels ended up on the ground. The E-brake was on but did nothing until the rear was on the ground already.
retired snapon dealer,-previous auto mech--as I went to shops I used to grab jack stands and place them under cars and even tell new mech.or helpers the importance of safety first-- maybe not my business but appreciated by shop owners most of the time--I once had a cheap jack stand fold up side ways as [who ever watches over me pulled my creeper and me out]. -- I was working on old caddy Hearst at the time. been in auto more than 60ys--seen a lot of guys get hurt-.
I've had 2 different friends that have dropped cars on themselves ! 1 just broke his leg an the other was messed up for longer than the 6 weeks with lifetime nerve damage . Made me either use solid wood blocks on soft ground or jackstands on firm .
I was thinking it was a spectacularly bad idea to have his legs straddling tire while he was putting it on especially if he only thought it was on the floor jack.
My Boss used to do that to the new guys with red and white striped jack stands and yelled another life saved and another 50 bucks in my pocket from the idiot that thinks jacks are safety stands. And he would charge them by taking $50.00 out of their pay. A few of those and they remembered. lol😂
@@bigtuna9529 Dude this was back in the 1970's He had every right, being the head machinic and owner of the shop. He had to worry about the families of the idiots that lose an arm, leg, or their life just from being lazy or stupid, not to mention his liability insurance and the customer's property. Remember different times back then. Just saying.
Been turning wrenches for 30 plus years watch you cause i just love working on cars, your attitude and way of thought is all reasonable and shows me a good tech. We are all guilty at one time or another with no stand., but fun aside or get er done aside i have 1 friend with a bang ankle for 20 plus years culpt no stand, another one that lost both knee caps in a wheel chair 20 years later culptit no wheel blocks while the other mechanic power braked a drivebilty while a mechanic stood in front and the master cylinder bypassed failed and the emergency brake did not hold the force. another lost a finger from jewerly wearing on the high voltage ignition coil removing the wires under a load, another 30 feet in the air on a latter with no one securing the ladder all this while i am on other jobs but within the vecenity to see the results. I am on a regular bases like to day while i am getting a motor in another city, call the shop to see how my 2 guys are doing one had an emergency doctor appointment with the wife while my other mechanic is there alone pulling a motor. Told the mechanic on the motor come off on it go work on another vehicle much simpler untill me or the other mech. gets back just for safety reasons of something going wrong and being pinned by himself in the shop. Bottom line is no job no bonus no paycheck is worth the safety of a person be safe while you work.
One of the guys I used to mt bike with, he ain't with us. He was working at home, and the car fell off the jack. Crushed and pinned him, nobody was home to save him. RIP Tim!
What an unsafe procedure, wooden block setting crooked on a rolling hand jack. This slot has a locking lift that would have been much safer, and he could have look to see other bad, worn-out unsafe parts.
It way too long to setup the lift to change/repair one wheel It show how little you know about doing work on a car Look to see unsafe part lol the client maybe did not want to pay a inspection for is relatively new car and only wanted is tire repaired You do what the client want or you gonna make some volunteer work lol
@@legros731 Yes, putting the car on a lift to just do a tyre in unnecessary work. Block would be OK provided he put a stand under immediately. If a car is only in for a tyre, you are not going to waste time searching for problems. Most of these guys need to do paid work, not free work.
@@Cheepchipsable sure best practice would have be to use a jackstand but these 3 ton floorjack are super stable and I have no problem trusting it to change tire Like a said to many car doesn't come with a jackstand or wheel chock only the worst most dangerous jack ever so what do you do if you got a flat tire
@@legros731 Lmao you're here too? Way too long to put it on the lift? That's called a bridge actually, but no problem, not everyone has worked with them so you couldn't know that bud. Putting the bridge up takes about 20 seconds, 30 if doing it alone. Getting the jack from across the workshop, putting it in place, jacking it up, about 1 minute if you can instantly spot the jack, usually it's not where you left it because a colleague borrowed it instead so 30 seconds of setting the car on the bridge vs 5 minutes of searching for the jack, clearly you've never been inside a garage.
SAFETY is No.1 priority. My brother had just jacked up the back of his car under the tow-bar. He was about to go underneath when a neighbour shouted us across the road. Whilst we were talking there was an almighty crash - the jack just collapsed. This was a professional workshop trolley jack! NEVER go under a car without additional support - use ramps if not removing wheels. ALWAYS think "what would happen if the jack failed"? Wheel chocks are also recommended even if you leave the car in gear/park with handbrake on.
Never ever trust a hydraulic jack to hold the weight of a vehicle without the aid of jack stands. I had my trolley jack fail on me a few months back, luckily it went almost as soon as it started to lift the car. You never can tell when they will fail and it's just not worth taking the risk.
Working for Railroad for 39 years with hundreds of safety rules to work within, the human was always the softest part of any accident. The human was also the hardest part to replace. Some went home never to return, some did not make it home. Good lesson you gave the right way.👍
Ray, You are the BEST mechanic I have ever had the pleasure to watch. This is not a loss for you. It's however a great loss to that shop. This is a great opportunity for you now to move ahead and know you are just one more step to you owning your own shop. I am certain that the business that you will create will be a benefit to all who need QUALITY workmanship. That is what I have always seen from you Sir. You are valuable credit to the trade. What you have taught to so many is incredible. I included myself in that. You have taught me so much. Thank you. I pray this change you will know is part of a greater plan. One that will benefit you on many levels. Again the best is yet to come. Keep the faith.
I bought 2 huge tool boxes at an auction. One had 6" tall spacers made for car jacks. They were made from a piece of 1" diameter round bar and some heavy wall sections of 1" ID pipe. They fit between the jack and the jack saddle for those times you need a taller jack. And for those occasions, I made up large wood blocks to set the jack stands on so they are not maxed out.
We used to have a pink jackstand and if u got the pink stand under your car you were sent home for 3 days as that was the shop owners and he took safety seriously enough where injury free days were in the low 500s
Damn, Ray...don't me wrong, I've set some sketchiness records my own self but that janky setup was singularly frightening. Max extension (nice long lever if someone bumps that vehicle in a roll-able direction) then that rocking-chair piece of wood stacked diagonally between an almost pointed body bracket and the jack top. It looked like someone playing "How far can luck be pushed?"
Recently I read of a local death caused by the jack failing with the guy under the car , squeezing the air out of his lungs , doesn’t take long to make it safe
Seeing that this video only has 8 views for some reason, this gives me a pretty strong opportunity to express how amazing you are, Ray. Keep doing what you are doing! P.S. How hot is it really down in Florida land? Because here in St. Louis, it is 100+ degrees and extremely humid. You have to live summer!
Jacked up a buddies car, at work, and put a block under the axle just enough so the rear tire was off the ground. He got in his car to go home and it would not move just the tire would spin. He got out of his car spitting mad because his car was 'broken'. Then he saw us laughing our A**s off. He looked under his car and didn't know whether to laugh or get mad at us. It was our way of telling him welcome to the team.
I cringe hard when I think back to being young and not knowing better, thinking about all the times I worked under my car with just a jack holding it up. I use several jack stands now, just in case one of those fail, and being crushed is still in the back of my mind every time.
My first lesson about the danger of not using jack stands was my boss putting a styrofoam cooler under the car, then challenging me to yank it out before he could let the jack down, after which he said, "Imagine if that were tour head." I was wondering whereabouts in Florida you are. The character of the scenery on your test drives looks familiar. I moved there in '75 from Cleveland, Ohio, where I worked at Rick Case Honda. I worked at Sports Car South in Hollywood (long gone now, MG, Fiat, Alfa dealer), Miami Honda, Golden Wrench, South Broward Import Service, and finally Acura of South Florida. In '95 I enrolled in the computer electronics program at Sheridan Vo Tech, then took some Microsoft certification courses, after which I got a job in IT and moved away. I have family in Boca Raton and Del Ray Beach. I really enjoy your videos and like your style. Kudos!
Happened to me when I was 16, that was 50 years as go. Jacked up my project nash metropolitan with it's old donkey screw jack, took off the rear tire to work on the brakes, left to get tools. Came back c as r on the ground, screw jack just stripped out its threads. Always double blocked last 50 years, still have all my toes, hands, fingers etc.
Young enough he hasn't had a car come down on him yet. Once it happens, you use multiple jackstands. Had a cinderblock blow on me when I was a teenager, and I was able to get clear. Made an impression on me. Still have the jackstands I bought immediately after. They're the original Harbor freight heavy ones, HF had just started selling in the back of Hot Rod Magazine. I'm 60 now. Still the best jackstands I own. Keep pushing this, it may save someone.
👏👏👏👏safety first. There’s been people killed for not using jack stands. Years ago a friend of mine Dad was working underneath a car without jack stands, the floor jack failed, when they found him it was to late
Wasn't fooled, but he still set and yanked on the stand a few times, so I'd say you half got him! The fact he looked or noticed shows he knows a little something and is grasshoppa that can be reformed into a quality man.
All trolly jacks sold come with a safety warning. Usually something like :- you should only use this in conjunction with axle stands. Always have had safety warnings on the trolley jacks l have purchased. You have yourself a great day 😃👍🇬🇷
Good job bloke 👍👍👍👍 I always use jack stands much better than alternative best to have a secondary I’ve seen a vehicle fall off a jack when the jack failed , seen 1 fall off a stand on a hoist and know 2 people killed by vehicles falling on them
Less unsafe since ur not under it but I had a Jack fail once and the body of the truck hit the ground messed it up pretty bad it was a lifted truck so the rear bed hit the ground that went well
When I was a kid in the 70s I was working under a car with just a hydraulic jack for support when it gave way. Luckily it made a loud crack before it came down so I got out of there just before it fell. Now I only will go under a car supported by jack stands
Next time, simply lower the floor jack down until the rotor just touches the ground. That will illustrate EXACTLY what CAN happen when the floor jack slowly weeps down.
Ray, I worked at a service station back in the eights and this guy was jacking up a car with no jack stand. We started to go over and tell him that he was not allowed to do that on the premises. And just as he was pulling his head out from under the car it fell and shaved the right side of his head and he suffered major injuries to his right ear. It was awful.
@@vigilantemotors when I was in my 20s I did that to a guy we called dangerous Dan he was so pissed wanted to fight everyone in the shop as we were rolling and laughing so hard . It was one of my better pranks . Later years working as a cop I sprayed the latrine door handle with my pepper spray . So when guys went in and grabbed their Johnson well 5 minutes later they would be running back to the sink giving Johnson a cold water wash . Commander still wants to know who did it but Iam retired now 😂
@@vigilantemotors naw she would not tolerate it and she’s to sweet to but her family is fair game. Maybe the rat snake in the sister-in-law car was a little overboard but it’s me . She still hates me saying she prays for me 😂😂
I got a written reprimand from my colonel in my unit in Iraq. I had a friend who worked military personnel so I had him cut fake orders for the said colonel to be transferred from Iraq to Ft Huachuca in Arizona he was SF and the post was intelligent post he was so upset calling everyone he knew but pack his stuff. When he figure it out he actually call CID and they investigated. It worked out I got a reprimand and was put on the best ( hits) mission’s to come down 😂😂😂
Homie was working with his legs under the wheel and the car suspended on the Jack. I’m a layperson, but I would never do that shit. Complacency kills. Or maims.
I just started working on my Jeep. My old jack stands were just too sketchy . Wife sees a set at a flea market and wants to buy them for me . I reminded her my Will needs to be updated. (Kinda like buying a used Motorcycle helmet). I love my NEW jack stands.
need i be the elephant in the room??? reaching under a vehicle to insert a stand is just as dangerous as not using one. the only difference is the amount of exposure to the hazard. what happens if it drops while you are placing the stand before it in place???
I’ll just move through the matrix in super high speed lightning fast motion allowing me to dodge the jeep
@@RainmanRaysRepairs lol i just had to
Saving the colleague's nrck 👍
How would you do it?
Yeah man, use a broomstick next time!
The wood block makes that original jack set-up an even more egregious oversight.
Why this is stupid you are not under the car jack stand are useless in this situation
Rayman mind your own business nothing unsafe there no one under there
@@legros731 Didn't you see the tech re-installing the wheel/tire; both his legs were under the vehicle. Okay, maybe it doesn't kill him, but I don't think he'd appreciate a broken leg or two either. This definitely is a potentially dangerous situation.
@@chuckgrenci6404 man there something called the brake disk/drum the car would have not crush him
Anyway jack are way more safe than you think the guy not going on the car he simply install a wheel
Secondly there a thing called natural selection let the stupid die we don't need them to reproduce anyway lol
I use a 3.5 inch wood block on my floor jack all the time, but the block is custom fitted to the jack saddle and can't slip off. As soon as the car is up in the air far enough though, a pair of jack stands go under it and the jack gets released.
@@chuckgrenci6404 I wouldn't even trust the jack stands enough to do that. I work on cars with some really corroded jack points, and one time I heard a crunching sound and saw one corner of the car drop a half inch or so. I always use ramps whenever I'm not working around the wheels.
My next move would be this. Next time it happens instead of using a jack stand, lower it down as far as you can and make a loud noise that would make him think it fell on its own and watch the panic as he learns a lesson. I know it would cause me to panic a bit.
Joke, yes, but a very important safety point - NEVER trust a floor jack with your life. Getting pinned under a piece of crap like that will rearrange your priorities big style real fast.
Yes sir I was young and dumb when I was changing a flat on my car. I had just got the tire on and a little snug when the jack broke and the car came crashing down with the jack shooting half way down the driveway. From then on I always use a jack stand.
A Jeeps will never, ever roll over someone. It just isn't possible. - FCA
My brother in law got pinned under his 69 mercury marquis thank goodness my sister was around and heard him yelling for help she literally picked up the corner of that car enough for him to get out from underneath, she is only 120 lbs
@@richardlambert1544 Wow Wonder Woman does exist. She was your brother in laws guardian angel. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@richardlambert1544 My very first girlfriend's mother did the same thing. The youngest kids in the family were pinned under a car when it rolled back. The mother picked the car off the kids, so they could get out. It is amazing what a person can do when necessary.
If you were caught using a jack without stands it was instant dismissal from my workplace. No arguments. Big sign on the wall said "Axle stands MUST be used at ALL times - or look for a new job!"
That is personal rule, that I live by. I still remember when I was about 16 years old or so, my best friend at the time, I was at their house one day. And his dad just happened to be working on his Olds Cutlass Ciera, about an '89 model or so. Anyhow when we came back outside the house to leave, the car had fallen off the jack and pinned him under the car, not even sure how long he had been like that. But we had to rush over there and try and get the car lifted back off his chest. Luckily, he wasn't too badly injured. I think he might of broken a rib, but all things considered, he got pretty lucky.
What was more puzzling is that the guy didn't seem to understand how stands are used.
The fact he was trying to remove it without lifting the car first...
@@Cheepchipsable I think he assumed that Ray didn't lower the jack but just put the stand their as safety
@@Cheepchipsable Depending on how deep I am under the car, at my own house, if no part of me can get pinned and it's a light looksee or changing a tire, I do it on the jack. If I'm doing something quick like an inspection where my head is in the wheel well, I put a stand under but don't lower on to it. If I'm putting my body actually under the car where it would get pinned, it's a jackstand with full weight, plus the jack taking up a hair of weight, just enough to stay put. I don't play where it comes to getting pinned. So he noticed he was closer to the stand, and checked it, before realizing it was there by the book. So Ray still got him in a way, and hopefully he realizes it's not just a joke.
And they're right.
I keep one in my car for when I have to change a tire.
I had a jack fail while working on a hub. The tire saved me because my dad taught me the rim can keep the frame off the ground. I got two nice jack stands for Christmas that year. I love them and the danger they save me from!
I've worked EMS for years as a paramedic and if people saw the death and disability I've worked from car fall mishaps, they'd never work under a car without multiple jack stands again. Carry on and continue to play shop safety officer. You probably have or will save someone's life.
Absolutely, and I never , ever, work on a car with my legs underneath, you know why.
And check the welds on the jack might save your life
good observation thanks
Same. 20yrs on the ol cabulance. Seen more death, dismemberment, pain and suffering from unsafe work practices than I care to admit. A few seconds ago extra work could save your life. Common sense is a trait that’s been bred out of humanity over the last 40yrs.
@@cowthedestroyer and the jack stand, I believe harbor freight had a recall on theirs because they were failing.
just like plugging exposed holes into engine innards during disassembly, backing up jacks with jack stands is car repair 101.
I helped a buddy put a steering box in an Monte Carlo SS. Left front in air no jack stand, both of us under car. Stopped for a greasy handed sandwich, while we ate 10 feet away car crashed to concrete. We both turned white. Yes it was the orting in a new floor jack. We've never gone without jack stands since. We were stupid but lucky.
I do a similar thing where I work to help teach the younger generation good habits. Making it a 'prank' or a 'game' seems to leave a long lasting impression on them vs. just outright telling them how it should be done. Good job, Ray!
The jack was double cringe worthy because that was a narrow-squarish block of wood that could have rolled with the slightest of jiggles. A 4x6 (or any rectangular) would also be safer while giving a chance to put the proper stand in place.
Good Job Rainman Ray - An o-ring shouldn't be the only thing between you and a major injury
Option "b" is come by and "borrow" the jack mid-use. "Hey dude, gonna borrow this for a sec" and drop it before he can say anything. Courtesey MAY dictate providing a pair of substitute underwear, but it would be a memorable lesson!
Kidding! (mostly? or am I?)
Conveniently realize in mid drop by locking the jack back in to prevent the load from bottoming out...
I wasn't too keen on him having his legs under and straddling the wheel, but that's me.
Same! Keep your body parts clear of anything that could crush you.
Yes very pertinent, never work on a on ansupported load. before I retired we were at a safety training session at work (nuclear power generation) in the UK. They asked what was the worst safety related thing you have witnessed, A friend and shiftmate said a man across the road was working on a car when the jack collapsed and he had to listen to the man die as the car crushed him He was around 9yrs old at the time. That shocked most of the shift as we were all rescue and 1st aid trained.
It was a flipped over tractor. But my 2 uncle's were kids and they had to watch their dad do the same. Late 50s middle of nowhere KY. Always remember to be safe but realize there is no safe.
So, we can truly say he needs safety training.
The high counsel agrees. 3 months of sorting every little thing in the shop and making sure that the fire extinguisher is always full of air. All the OSHA safety checks. Matter of fact. I don't trust him to do safety checks on the fire extinguisher. I don't even trust him to mop the floor.
Thats a fact!
@@eaglewarrior8707 I dont trust him to work on cars, you can already tell he's a corner cutter
Nope life insurance increase..
@@Peter-td3yk 🤣
I bought a friend of mine a set of 4 jack stands earlier this year. Guy was working under stuff without stands.
You are truly his friend
He probably still is, should show him videos of cars/trucks falling in people.
@@werberderber6209 He's a grownup. He can make his own decisions.
@@werberderber6209 Chances are he sold them on!
Problem is you get lazy because you lift a car thousands of time without incident, and getting the stands is a hassle.
I'm not saying don't do it, but as the saying goes, "Familiarity breeds contempt"
@@Cheepchipsable I agree, my dad was a mechanic and when I was 16 I did that, even thou I was 16 he smacked me around a bit, but my dad also took me and my brothers (10 and 11yrs old) out into a field and shot several pumpkins with with a .308 rifle , .357 pistol and a shotgun and said this is your head if you play around with guns. We were getting ready to go hunting the next week and he wanted to get his point across, he did.
I remember back in the day doing tire changes and this guy did the same thing. Unfortunately, they failed to put the parking brakes on and it slid off the block and caused the shop to buy the customer a new jeep. when i came back to work i never saw him again. Lucky, it was only a insurance claim, and not some ones life. Imagine if your shop buddy was under there, you regret that for life.
I was taught to remove the handle from the jack too. This is to avoid the trip hazard that ends in the car falling on the floor.
I like how at the end the kid was yanking on the Jack stand without pumping the floor Jack up and says oh ya I know that! Lmao! Ya right!
I caught my son doing this on his VW Jetta, I reamed him a new one, he is 28 years old and I taught him to never jack up a car or take the tires off with out stands and he still did it. Hopefully he uses them every time now.
I've seen two men dead from working under cars without jack stands.
Good lesson - you don't trust those hydraulic jack by them selves - jack stands are required - SAFETY
Nice work Ray. Safety first and i was always taught never to trust Hydraulic jack,s. My dad was in the army and said he saw a man get crushed and die by a falling hydraulic jack and that has always stuck with me. Cheers Ray
I used to use 3 ton jack stands while working on the front of my falcon. I used to work in health and safety. I would use that jack stand on my mower
Just as a reminder: If you have jack stands from Harbor Freight, there is a recall on some of them from about 2 years ago.
Just search "Harbor Freight jack stand recall" The reason I remind people is because I had a set of mine fail.
Fortunately I wasn't under the truck when it happened. It was up on 4 stands and I had wood blocks under the wheels just in case, but when the stands in the front let go it rolled forward off the blocks and all four wheels ended up on the ground. The E-brake was on but did nothing until the rear was on the ground already.
Thanks for reminding me about this. I need to check mine.👍
I got the recall last year and replaced them ASAP. I had not had a failure, but as I work on my truck a fair amount, I use them a fair amount.
retired snapon dealer,-previous auto mech--as I went to shops I used to grab jack stands and place them under cars and even tell new mech.or helpers the importance of safety first-- maybe not my business but appreciated by shop owners most of the time--I once had a cheap jack stand fold up side ways as [who ever watches over me pulled my creeper and me out]. -- I was working on old caddy Hearst at the time. been in auto more than 60ys--seen a lot of guys get hurt-.
Excellent teaching moment. The Air Force taught me to “Lock, Chock or Block” everything I worked on. That is an example of blocking.
I've had 2 different friends that have dropped cars on themselves ! 1 just broke his leg an the other was messed up for longer than the 6 weeks with lifetime nerve damage . Made me either use solid wood blocks on soft ground or jackstands on firm .
I was thinking it was a spectacularly bad idea to have his legs straddling tire while he was putting it on especially if he only thought it was on the floor jack.
Oh my gosh he’s so young. Then he tries to pull it out by hand? Good thing you’re watching over him.
Car fell on neighbor, died and left 2 kids without a dad. Bravo for showing how simple safety.
When is daddy coming home? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Also... legs straight under the tire thats lifted in the air... I know its on a jack stand but I still would never do that!
My Boss used to do that to the new guys with red and white striped jack stands and yelled another life saved and another 50 bucks in my pocket from the idiot that thinks jacks are safety stands. And he would charge them by taking $50.00 out of their pay. A few of those and they remembered. lol😂
Safety first of course but he doesn’t have the right to “fine” or dock anybody’s pay!
@@bigtuna9529 Dude this was back in the 1970's He had every right, being the head machinic and owner of the shop. He had to worry about the families of the idiots that lose an arm, leg, or their life just from being lazy or stupid, not to mention his liability insurance and the customer's property. Remember different times back then. Just saying.
"He's actually a bright young fellow" Until the jack gives way and the car crushes him then he was an unlucky fellow!
Been turning wrenches for 30 plus years watch you cause i just love working on cars, your attitude and way of thought is all reasonable and shows me a good tech. We are all guilty at one time or another with no stand., but fun aside or get er done aside i have 1 friend with a bang ankle for 20 plus years culpt no stand, another one that lost both knee caps in a wheel chair 20 years later culptit no wheel blocks while the other mechanic power braked a drivebilty while a mechanic stood in front and the master cylinder bypassed failed and the emergency brake did not hold the force. another lost a finger from jewerly wearing on the high voltage ignition coil removing the wires under a load, another 30 feet in the air on a latter with no one securing the ladder all this while i am on other jobs but within the vecenity to see the results. I am on a regular bases like to day while i am getting a motor in another city, call the shop to see how my 2 guys are doing one had an emergency doctor appointment with the wife while my other mechanic is there alone pulling a motor. Told the mechanic on the motor come off on it go work on another vehicle much simpler untill me or the other mech. gets back just for safety reasons of something going wrong and being pinned by himself in the shop. Bottom line is no job no bonus no paycheck is worth the safety of a person be safe while you work.
One of the guys I used to mt bike with, he ain't with us. He was working at home, and the car fell off the jack. Crushed and pinned him, nobody was home to save him. RIP Tim!
When I started to work on cars, and I do that alone almost all of the time, my first investment were jack stands because I don't want to be a Tim.
What an unsafe procedure, wooden block setting crooked on a rolling hand jack. This slot has a locking lift that would have been much safer, and he could have look to see other bad, worn-out unsafe parts.
It way too long to setup the lift to change/repair one wheel
It show how little you know about doing work on a car
Look to see unsafe part lol the client maybe did not want to pay a inspection for is relatively new car and only wanted is tire repaired
You do what the client want or you gonna make some volunteer work lol
@@legros731 Yes, putting the car on a lift to just do a tyre in unnecessary work. Block would be OK provided he put a stand under immediately.
If a car is only in for a tyre, you are not going to waste time searching for problems. Most of these guys need to do paid work, not free work.
@@Cheepchipsable sure best practice would have be to use a jackstand but these 3 ton floorjack are super stable and I have no problem trusting it to change tire
Like a said to many car doesn't come with a jackstand or wheel chock only the worst most dangerous jack ever so what do you do if you got a flat tire
@@legros731 Lmao you're here too? Way too long to put it on the lift? That's called a bridge actually, but no problem, not everyone has worked with them so you couldn't know that bud.
Putting the bridge up takes about 20 seconds, 30 if doing it alone.
Getting the jack from across the workshop, putting it in place, jacking it up, about 1 minute if you can instantly spot the jack, usually it's not where you left it because a colleague borrowed it instead so 30 seconds of setting the car on the bridge vs 5 minutes of searching for the jack, clearly you've never been inside a garage.
its only a just enough essential parts if it was a land rover i would be worried thanks for the video
SAFETY is No.1 priority. My brother had just jacked up the back of his car under the tow-bar. He was about to go underneath when a neighbour shouted us across the road. Whilst we were talking there was an almighty crash - the jack just collapsed. This was a professional workshop trolley jack! NEVER go under a car without additional support - use ramps if not removing wheels. ALWAYS think "what would happen if the jack failed"? Wheel chocks are also recommended even if you leave the car in gear/park with handbrake on.
Never ever trust a hydraulic jack to hold the weight of a vehicle without the aid of jack stands. I had my trolley jack fail on me a few months back, luckily it went almost as soon as it started to lift the car. You never can tell when they will fail and it's just not worth taking the risk.
It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't underSTAND
Well said!
Working for Railroad for 39 years with hundreds of safety rules to work within, the human was always the softest part of any accident. The human was also the hardest part to replace. Some went home never to return, some did not make it home. Good lesson you gave the right way.👍
Ray, You are the BEST mechanic I have ever had the pleasure to watch.
This is not a loss for you. It's however a great loss to that shop.
This is a great opportunity for you now to move ahead and know you are just one more step to you owning your own shop. I am certain
that the business that you will create will be a benefit to all who need QUALITY workmanship. That
is what I have always seen from you Sir. You are valuable credit to the trade. What you have taught to so many is incredible. I included myself in that. You have taught me so much. Thank you. I pray this change you will know is part of a greater plan. One that will benefit you on many levels. Again the best is yet to come. Keep the faith.
I bought 2 huge tool boxes at an auction. One had 6" tall spacers made for car jacks. They were made from a piece of 1" diameter round bar and some heavy wall sections of 1" ID pipe. They fit between the jack and the jack saddle for those times you need a taller jack. And for those occasions, I made up large wood blocks to set the jack stands on so they are not maxed out.
Hydraulic jacks do eventually fail, use Jack stands
I think Harbor Freight had some that failed.
I want a minimum 3 ton stands
Jackstand or no, I am not sitting with my crotch under the wheel like that.
Not unless you wanted to lose your boys and junk and sing soprano.
Raymond scare cam remotely release the jack as he's sitting there and the full weight sounds on his jackstand 😱🤣
Thank you Rainman, shop class 101 never let hydraulics support a load while your working under it.
Learning all the time, I look forward to yr videos Ray
We used to have a pink jackstand and if u got the pink stand under your car you were sent home for 3 days as that was the shop owners and he took safety seriously enough where injury free days were in the low 500s
Seeing that guy working with their legs under the tire there made the skin on my legs crawl. So much nope. Nope, nope, nope.
Damn, Ray...don't me wrong, I've set some sketchiness records my own self but that janky setup was singularly frightening. Max extension (nice long lever if someone bumps that vehicle in a roll-able direction) then that rocking-chair piece of wood stacked diagonally between an almost pointed body bracket and the jack top. It looked like someone playing "How far can luck be pushed?"
Health and Safety retraining required. This guy must be off his trolly!
Recently I read of a local death caused by the jack failing with the guy under the car , squeezing the air out of his lungs , doesn’t take long to make it safe
Seeing that this video only has 8 views for some reason, this gives me a pretty strong opportunity to express how amazing you are, Ray. Keep doing what you are doing!
P.S. How hot is it really down in Florida land? Because here in St. Louis, it is 100+ degrees and extremely humid. You have to live summer!
its in the low to mid 90s with super high humidity. And it rains often this time of year.
Howd u get dis coment 2 days go but just uploaded dis video? 🤔. Shame on you boi!
@@RainmanRaysRepairs Pretty much a 3-4:30 rain event every day here in NOLA too.
@@hayleyxyz now dat just snappy thinkin of my boi ray! Good job
It's 84 here in NC. It got down in the mid 60's last night.
Jacked up a buddies car, at work, and put a block under the axle just enough so the rear tire was off the ground. He got in his car to go home and it would not move just the tire would spin. He got out of his car spitting mad because his car was 'broken'. Then he saw us laughing our A**s off. He looked under his car and didn't know whether to laugh or get mad at us. It was our way of telling him welcome to the team.
at least you did a safe joke. Some shops don't keep the joke that safe!
He should thank you for remembering him. But it is funny.
Safety is the best for everyone, ask him what he learned from your action.
It wouldn't be hard to miss that yellow jack stand lol. I use the same craftsman ones when I'm working on our tahoe.
I cringe hard when I think back to being young and not knowing better, thinking about all the times I worked under my car with just a jack holding it up. I use several jack stands now, just in case one of those fail, and being crushed is still in the back of my mind every time.
I thought I was re-reading my own comment that I just wrote.. You and me both.
Well done Ray ur spot on with your teachings,, much more effective 👍
My father is a mechanic over 40years under his belt first thing he taught me was safety before anything else
My first lesson about the danger of not using jack stands was my boss putting a styrofoam cooler under the car, then challenging me to yank it out before he could let the jack down, after which he said, "Imagine if that were tour head."
I was wondering whereabouts in Florida you are. The character of the scenery on your test drives looks familiar. I moved there in '75 from Cleveland, Ohio, where I worked at Rick Case Honda. I worked at Sports Car South in Hollywood (long gone now, MG, Fiat, Alfa dealer), Miami Honda, Golden Wrench, South Broward Import Service, and finally Acura of South Florida. In '95 I enrolled in the computer electronics program at Sheridan Vo Tech, then took some Microsoft certification courses, after which I got a job in IT and moved away. I have family in Boca Raton and Del Ray Beach.
I really enjoy your videos and like your style. Kudos!
Happened to me when I was 16, that was 50 years as go. Jacked up my project nash metropolitan with it's old donkey screw jack, took off the rear tire to work on the brakes, left to get tools. Came back c as r on the ground, screw jack just stripped out its threads. Always double blocked last 50 years, still have all my toes, hands, fingers etc.
You need some of them cloaking jack stands
Young enough he hasn't had a car come down on him yet. Once it happens, you use multiple jackstands. Had a cinderblock blow on me when I was a teenager, and I was able to get clear. Made an impression on me. Still have the jackstands I bought immediately after. They're the original Harbor freight heavy ones, HF had just started selling in the back of Hot Rod Magazine. I'm 60 now. Still the best jackstands I own. Keep pushing this, it may save someone.
LOL of course he saw that stand. What did you expect?
co worker : 'it's Tuesday & I wanna shake hands with danger..........'
Ray: 'not on my watch'
G’day Ray very good putting the Jack stand under the axle, Heath and safety the bull bar on your truck looks great regards John
Yeah that wasn't too safe with that wood block either. You are 💯% correct, always be safe and use a jack stand. 👍🏻
That was a safety catch Ray even the best of pranksters can get pranked in return.
Can you imagine if OSHA showed up. Instant violation and very expensive.
👏👏👏👏safety first. There’s been people killed for not using jack stands. Years ago a friend of mine Dad was working underneath a car without jack stands, the floor jack failed, when they found him it was to late
Wasn't fooled, but he still set and yanked on the stand a few times, so I'd say you half got him! The fact he looked or noticed shows he knows a little something and is grasshoppa that can be reformed into a quality man.
Better safe with a jack than not! Even if the joke didn't play out, everyone is wiser and safer!
What’s better than a single stand, two!
the worst part was the block of wood, they can split or roll, then your dead.
bro had his legs spread to the sides of the wheel. imagine if the car fell, that would be a close call for the boys between the legs. xD
All trolly jacks sold come with a safety warning. Usually something like :- you should only use this in conjunction with axle stands. Always have had safety warnings on the trolley jacks l have purchased.
You have yourself a great day 😃👍🇬🇷
Good job bloke 👍👍👍👍 I always use jack stands much better than alternative best to have a secondary I’ve seen a vehicle fall off a jack when the jack failed , seen 1 fall off a stand on a hoist and know 2 people killed by vehicles falling on them
🎸JACK 🎶STAND🎙 FEVER 🎵
Less unsafe since ur not under it but I had a Jack fail once and the body of the truck hit the ground messed it up pretty bad it was a lifted truck so the rear bed hit the ground that went well
You need to use those Transparent Jack Stands. That'll get em.
Little Sparrow is learnding,, A Ralph Wiggum ref. Good work.
When I was a kid in the 70s I was working under a car with just a hydraulic jack for support when it gave way. Luckily it made a loud crack before it came down so I got out of there just before it fell. Now I only will go under a car supported by jack stands
Ray pranks co-worker with safety. Good man.
A block of wood on a jack is so stretchy. ProEagle 3 ton with the 8 to 15" extension for the win!!
No he was not fooled, he was saved!!
This was awesome, excellent lesson in safety first.
Next time, simply lower the floor jack down until the rotor just touches the ground. That will illustrate EXACTLY what CAN happen when the floor jack slowly weeps down.
Ray, I worked at a service station back in the eights and this guy was jacking up a car with no jack stand. We started to go over and tell him that he was not allowed to do that on the premises. And just as he was pulling his head out from under the car it fell and shaved the right side of his head and he suffered major injuries to his right ear. It was awful.
Somebody give Ray some work! His coworkers can't take much more idle time!!! Thanks for the laugh Ray!
That block of wood on the jack is asking for trouble - wood can easily split in two.
Wow, how did he see it!?
It was so hidden.
They should be glad you're looking out for their very bad decisions.
Thank you for NEVER saying M, uh, Mu, Mmmm, Mur, ..., I can't do it!
Taking the jack handle and hiding it is a great motivator
Now that would be EPIC!!!!! lol
@@vigilantemotors when I was in my 20s I did that to a guy we called dangerous Dan he was so pissed wanted to fight everyone in the shop as we were rolling and laughing so hard . It was one of my better pranks . Later years working as a cop I sprayed the latrine door handle with my pepper spray . So when guys went in and grabbed their Johnson well 5 minutes later they would be running back to the sink giving Johnson a cold water wash . Commander still wants to know who did it but Iam retired now 😂
@@sheerwillsurvival2064 dude! You are EPIC! I love it! Your wife must get the brunt of it now lol 😂
@@vigilantemotors naw she would not tolerate it and she’s to sweet to but her family is fair game. Maybe the rat snake in the sister-in-law car was a little overboard but it’s me . She still hates me saying she prays for me 😂😂
I got a written reprimand from my colonel in my unit in Iraq. I had a friend who worked military personnel so I had him cut fake orders for the said colonel to be transferred from Iraq to Ft Huachuca in Arizona he was SF and the post was intelligent post he was so upset calling everyone he knew but pack his stuff. When he figure it out he actually call CID and they investigated. It worked out I got a reprimand and was put on the best ( hits) mission’s to come down 😂😂😂
The first rule of job safety in Never mess with another mechanics job. Say something if necessary but touching the job transfers liability.
Homie was working with his legs under the wheel and the car suspended on the Jack.
I’m a layperson, but I would never do that shit.
Complacency kills.
Or maims.
Yep, me 2
Pulling a safety prank! You jokester!
I just started working on my Jeep. My old jack stands were just too sketchy . Wife sees a set at a flea market and wants to buy them for me . I reminded her my Will needs to be updated. (Kinda like buying a used Motorcycle helmet). I love my NEW jack stands.