It takes a lot of humility to admit your mistake and I think it takes even more to post this online. I’m very happy you weren’t cut by the blade. I had an incident on a chop saw and I cut my hand with the blade. It’s amazing how quickly it happens and I still remember to this day seeing the pink mist in the air which was the blood from my hand. That was 25 years ago but it feels like yesterday. Thank you for posting this!!
You know I try to learn from as many "professional" makers as I can. What I really like is that several of you are not afraid to show your mistakes and the videos that show what was done and how we can avoid what happened. I truly cannot express my gratitude for this community.
90% of the people on youtube abuse a tablesaw for all tasks. They're contributing to hundreds of thousands of serious ~accidents~ negligent incidents every year.
This is an excellent video for all to see. Not only does it show (and explain) a mistake to be avoided, but it serves as a reminder as to just how fast mistakes can bite you. I'm glad you were relatively unscathed. Stay safe.
No telling how many serious injuries you prevented with this explanation. I don't use a bandsaw, I don't do the kind of work that requires one, but anything with jaws, teeth or a blade and a motor deserves our full attention. My hat is off to you sir for putting this out there.
Just bought a band saw. Working to develop and gain experience and your video is a real lesson. I've learned a lot from your videos - this one I won't forget. Thanks for sharing. Glad your ok!
Bdiamaz, I’ve owned bandsaws and used them for many hours. They are about the safest woodworking tool in the shop. Never came even remotely close to hurting myself. This guy’s a special kind of stu pid.
@@trappenweisseguy27 The attitude of "he is stupid, that would never happen to me" is precisely what will get you hurt one day. Yes, it was a stupid mistake. Jay Bates himself called it "bonehead". But if you think you're immune to stupid decisions...well good luck to you. I mean that sincerely!
Jay thank you for this video. Bandsaw safety videos are something that I haven't seen before. I don't yet have a bandsaw but I want one, and this is something I hope stays with me. I never would have thought about the issues you raised and the cause of this incident. Keep up the good work. You are one of the best.
These kinds of videos are invaluable reminders. Always, always, always think through what you're doing and why. So grateful you weren't seriously hurt. You have done a great service by "swallowing (your) pride" and giving the rest of us - experienced (to whom accidents happen to more often) and rookies alike. Respect to you, man. Not everyone is willing to show their ... lack of attention ... to the world.
"Done it several times without an issue" complacency is the biggest threat in any workshop, garage or machine shop. Glad nothing severe happened as you were reminded here 👍
"cigarettes are safe, I do them all the time and i didn't get cancer, there is this guy who smoked 2 packs everyday and lived to 90y old" "shop dust and spray paint are not that bad, look at me, i used them with no protetction at all and i'm good for last 20 years"
Experience leads to complacency. I've seen it a hundred times. I've had to render first aid to people too many times because they have done something a hundred times + and let their guard down and lost fingers or got they're foot smashed or bad cuts because they were complacent!!
@@genecarden780We had one of these with a surface grinder in my shop. The operator had a steel plate down, freshly ground. Surface grinders tend to build up a metal sludge or paste around the part, as the particles stick to the magnetic chuck. It's best practice to wipe the sludge away from the part before removing it to make the next part significantly faster to load. While wiping it away, his hand touches the grinding wheel, which instantly was pulled through the gap between the wheel and the part... After being surface ground, the edges of a part are ridiculously sharp. Like, exactly as sharp as a freshly sharpened knife, have to handle with anti cut gloves. I was first on scene and rendered first aid. He got SO LUCKY. The distance between the wheel and the part's sharp edge happened to be 0.552 inches (we measured it afterwards). If it were 0.5, it would have cracked the bones in his first 3 fingers. At 0.4, it would have broken those bones completely. Anything less, and those fingers would have been lying on the floor. He got away with damaged tendons and some really deep cuts. I did an after action with him, asked what happened, what we could do to prevent it in future. He said that he has done this 30 times a day for 2 years with no problem. It's untenable to stop the grinding wheel between each part (it would quadruple the cycle time on each part), so he raises the wheel about half and inch, then drives it back an inch, which gives him clearance to wipe the part down. On that day, he got distracted while driving the wheel back, and never finished driving it back the full inch, forgot that he hadn't finished, and started the wipe down. We put a bunch of controls in place to keep that from being possible again, but hot damn it was so close to ruining his life.
Good thing that little nub didn’t grab your thumb on the way up and slam it into the moving blade. You could have easily lost your thumb, it’s only by random luck that you didn’t. Thank you for being humble and sharing this with everyone.
Not every day we see a man that can save others as you have done with this video. We all make mistakes. I made one once. But you have the courage to show exactly what happened. Can't give you enough credit for this. Extremely well done sir.
Thank you for making this short video about this. The more people are able to see the dangers of certain actions that can be dangerous, the safer we can be in our actions. Stay Safe Everyone!
Glad you weren't hurt. These kinds of videos are great safety reminders and teaching tools. It's so easy to get complacent and not think things through. So many people get hurt and think "I knew better, why did I do that?" or "I should have see coming."
Thanks for sharing this, Jay. It is a great reminder to pay attention, be present, and work as safely as possible around power tools. I am glad for your sake that it was not any worse.
Thank you for this. I am a new bandsaw user and I have that same band saw. My favorite tool at the moment, but I think I was getting too complacent with it. So again, thank you for bringing back to reality for me.
I often hear how the band saw is one of the safer shop saws as the blade moves down and away from the operator. Thanks for showing that this is still a potentially dangerous piece of equipment worthy of all your attention when using it.
This is about one of the only ways a kickback could happen. Or if he were to try and cute a square block on the corner without it being flat. Because it's not flat to the table it allows the workpiece to move. Notive how when it first catches it almost pulls it down.
It's a torque issue. The pivot point is at the table, but the point of contact (and where the torque force is being loaded on) is where the tooth of the blade first meets the wood. When the piece enters with the larger circle first, the contact point is further from the pivot and thus the blade puts more torque on the piece, making it harder for you to stabilize. Glad your safe. Many thanks for being humble enough to share this with others and encourage safety in the woodworking community. Go Blue, and Go Lions.
With the piece reversed the wood grain is sloping down in the same direction as the blade. The way the accident happened was with the grain pointing up for the teeth to grab . This is the other major reason.
Thank you so much for uploading this! I am a woodshop instructor and I tell my students about this problem regularly, but I love having such a perfectly filmed, but thankfully non-gory, example of exactly what can happen. I'm glad you ended up safe as well, but thank you for being willing to post your mistakes like this.
Thank you for sharing this experience! I'm always amazed by people who seem to be able to listen to music, podcasts, or what have you while working with power tools. I know from experience that I am easily distracted and your experience reinforces my feeling that I would be foolish to EVER attempt it. Thanks again!
I’m very glad you were not permanently injured Jay, thanks for sharing and walking us all through it frame by frame. Your one of the earliest woodworking icons that I first discovered on UA-cam years ago, take time to think about setting up each cut before you make them and if something doesn’t feel safe step back and re think it. I like how you said when you are running a saw that is doing something, music is not needed in that moment.
What timing!!!I'm brand new to woodworking and just got my bandsaw in on Tuesday this past week. I hate that I had to learn like this, but sure appreciate you sharing it with us!
Jay, first, I am glad that you are OK. You are one of the most down to earth and humble makers that I follow. Taking the time to put this together is such a responsible thing to do. We all have these lapses from time to time. Sharing them and showing how very quickly things can go from normal to sour, for even an experienced craftsman, is so important. Thanks for sharing.
Takes a real man to admit his mistakes and show the world, on video I might add, in order to turn his mistake into a learning experience for others. Says a lot about you as a person. This tells me that you are a thoughtful and caring person for you to share this with everyone. Really glad that nothing serious happened.
Excellent video and a reminder about bandsaw safety for everyone. Should be required viewing for all bandsaw users - regardless of experience level. Glad you weren’t seriously injured. Simple accidents like this can easily change the course of the rest of your life.
Glad you were able to come away with just a valuable reminder / lesson and not an injury! Thank you for showing this and not hiding it. This will no doubt save a few injuries alone.
Excellent video, Jay. I am glad you were not seriously hurt. You likely saved a bunch of woodworkers from losing some digits by documenting your incident and teaching this valuable safety lesson. Also, a great move to immediately announce to your wife that you were not hurt. I am sure she appreciates you saving her from worrying even before she knew she had to worry. I am not sure if the Van Halen was a factor in any way, but if you are going to listen to music in the shop, I recommend Rush. 😉😉😉
Something more important than fingers was at stake here, that board hit him in the face, it also splintered and a chunk flew off. What if unprotected eyes had come into contact with a shard of wood in this scenario, loss of an eye and possibly penetration through the eye socket.
I knew what was going to happen and I still jumped when the blade caught the workpiece. Thanks for the reminder! to keep your mind on the job. Great video!
It could have been worse is an understatement!! Glad you're OK. Also, I never thought about round objects and rotation. Thanks for the reminder to stay aware.
I've never tried to resaw anything round on a bandsaw, and if I had to do it I would not have known the danger if you hadn't made this video. Thank you for the humbleness it took to make it and passing on the valuable lesson you learned to us! I'm sure you have prevented others from the same fate or worse!
Glad you're ok, thank you so much for posting this, it's a great reminder of what can happen in an instant, even with a very skilled wood worker such as yourself!
First off, so grateful you were not hurt worse than you were. Second, thank you for putting this out there to help educate all of us. I have worked for over fifty years in a wood and metal working shop, and yes one millisecond of attention loss can be horrid. I'm not going to explain how I know; I just do. Again, thank you for the educational video.
I"ve been doing some kind of woodworking for 60 years and I know accidents happen VERY quickly. A few years ago I got my thumb sucked into a 1 h.p. router trying to route a round over on a round picture frame. It took the side of my thumb knuckle right to the bone. You learn very quickly that you did something wrong. Fortunately all healed well and I learned from it. Thank you for telling your story in order to give some one else a heads up. Bob.
Thanks for sharing your moment of complacency, it's very good that it didn't suck your hand into the blade. It's scary how fast injuries happen. Nice bandsaw. I have the 18BX in my living room.
Thank you for the humility to share this with us! I try to always remember to never be complacent around machines that can change your life in 1/24th of a second. But it still happens to the best of us. We are always constantly learning and you sharing this video will hopefully prevent some of us having to learn the hard way!
At my job they are really pushing that “all” accidents can be avoided. I’m starting to slowly agree with that premise. Glad you are relatively okay other than the bruised thumb and ego. I’ve had the same type of accident and also got “lucky”. Thank you for sharing it.
Wow. My hat is off to you for sharing that. Most of us this is something we would not want to admit we have done. I had a round object taking out of my hand once from a router with a flush trim bit and My finger and thumb ended up closing down on the bit because how hard I was squeezing. I knew it was a bad Idea but I did it anyway. Just like you explained cutting these. Even the way you did the first 4 you knew it was not the best of Ideas and proceeded to do it anyway. So that should be lesson #1 for all of us. If you have a doubt in your mind when about to do something on a machine do not override that thought. Instead explore it and make sure you are accounting for all of the forces in play. I was lucky mine removed the pad on my finger and thumb complete yellow meat showing but you somehow can not even tell today as all the finger prints grew back. Thank you for having the balls to say you had a lap in judgement and turn it into a learning episode for others. Bandsaw is one of those under respected tools by many but the fact is it is the finest bone saw you have in the shop.
I once heard there is no such thing as an accident just a series of bad or decisions. Thanks for posting and explaining all the conscious and unconscious "decisions" that went into what could have been a very serious incident.
Yes, this is the right way. No need actually route the profile though. Put the board against a piece of scrap (mdf or whatever) on the fence, place the handle in front and down against the table and screw or glue a small block to the scrap and in contact with the top of the handle. Use a push block to keep it pressed into the fence and the handle couldn't spin in either direction. A piece or two of double stick tape would make it even a little more secure.
Glad your ok. In shop class in school long ago, one of the students ran his hand sideways into the bandsaw. Nasty accident. Different scenario entirely but left a reminder in my brain for life. Thanks for posting.
Thnaks for also showing your mistakes and making people awair of the potential danger-situations in a workshop. Hope your thumb gets better soon and that you can enjoy working on projects without pain again. We also enjoy whatching your working on it :-)
I had an accident with my table saw. I was cutting a thin strip off of a drawer bottom and did not remove my gloves. The blade was down to 3/16" of an inch and hooked the tip of my middle finger and pulled my index finger into the blade. Nothing was cut off, but both fingers had to be close in surgery. REMOVE YOUR GLOVES!!!!!!
Thanks for a great video.... You address something which I believe in wholeheartedly and have preached to my children and grandchildren for many years: When working in the shop, job one is to always and forever be present within the moment so that you are fully aware of what you are doing because one moment of distraction can cost you dearly, maybe even get you killed. Thank you for posting this very important video... I'm so glad you weren't more seriously hurt. If you're like me, I'm sure you will never make that mistake again.
Good video. It probably helped a lot of people avoid the same mistake. Next time use a vertical slave board with a peg in it for the hole in the handle. It would effectively turn that round piece into a stable flat edge setup. Glad you didn't loose any body parts.
This is one of the best woodworking videos I've ever seen. Thank you so much for putting this out. Lots of other people would have been too embarrassed in this situation, but actually watching a real example of an experienced woodworker making a dangerous mistake is extremely educational and useful, because it really can happen to anybody if you're not careful, and if it happens to you, the band saw (or whatever power tool) really does not care who you are or how much experience you think you have. It was also great that you went through all of the potential contributing factors, and listed off all of the things that you shouldn't have done (not just one). I don't do woodworking that often, but I've always had a personal philosophy never to listen to music any time I am anywhere near an active power tool (whether I'm the one using it or not). I just don't want to risk my concentration being reduced in any situation that could potentially take off a body part faster than I can even react if I'm not careful about exactly where I am and what I'm doing at all times...
As a retired safety professional I don't like the word "accident" because it has the connotation that they aren't always preventable. That they just happen. What you had was a preventable incident. You did a fantastic job of analyzing and determine what should have been done to prevent it. Thanks for sharing.
I have only just started watching content on woodworking and the algorithm randomly recommended this, first video of yours I have seen and I can honestly say we need more videos like these showing that how just a single mistake can spell disaster. Thank you for sharing this, you very well might have saved someone from a serious injury or worse.
Hey thanks for sharing your experience with all of us and not pretending as if it never happened due to being so experienced. Thank you for allowing us to learn from you. I didn’t quite catch it until you said it.
Thank you, Jay, for sharing. I actually am unboxing my first bandsaw purchase today and happened to come across this during my morning coffee! I will certainly give new respect to this machine that is “so much safer than a tablesaw“.
"Learn from the mistakes of others - you won't live long enough to make them all yourself" - so thanks for helping to contribute to our safety training.
A great reminder about the dangers of complacency. You get used to doing your thing and it's easy to forget the appropriate steps. Not just here, but with many different jobs. Great content, thank you for this.
Wow thank you so much for sharing this! I think all of us woodworkers (power-tool users) need to watch something like this just to keep it fresh in our memories how quickly something can go wrong. Had my own bonehead move I got somewhat away with as well so no one is above it that's for sure! Glad you are ok man!
Thanks for sharing that. Everyone says these accidents happen so fast but to actually see it was an eye opener. I'm sure I'll be more focused when cutting materials from now on.
Thank you for sharing this accident. I had a few friends and family who do woodworking as a hobby and I will be sharing this video with them, in an effort to help them prevent injuries in their shops.
My first bandsaw, that I recently ordered, is arriving today. I'm already reasonably paranoid about such a potentially dangerous tool. Yeah, I'm a little more spooked, now, but I LOVE learning from OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES! Thanks for sharing the incident and the oh-so-hilarious slo-mo play-by-play! Seriously, though, glad you're okay and that you learned from this scary incident. My small, cheap bandsaw will be going into my laser room, to trim down 12x12x1/8 plywood scrap - so nothing terribly risky. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for having the courage to show your mistake! One has to wonder how many other UA-camrs have made serious mistakes but were too embarrassed to show them to their viewers. I have benefitted from this video and I'm VERY glad you didn't shed any blood!
Thank God nothing worse happened. And thank you for sharing.Normally, a bandsaw is considered a relatively safe machine compared to, for example, table saws. And that's exactly when such carelessness happens. I was aware from the beginning of the video which problem would occur. But only because I knew something would go wrong. If I hadn't known about an accident beforehand, I probably wouldn't have recognized your mistake at all. I'm glad you posted this. It will certainly save many from a similar or worse fate.
Glad that such a violent force didn’t hurt you worse than it did. You are such a talented, confident, machine operator that complaisance is a factor. Thank you for sharing.
Glad you are ok and didn’t suffer any serious injuries. I had a gotcha moment when making raised door panels on a radial arm saw many years ago. I happened to have the saw setup in a way that trapped the beveled waste cutoff between the saw blade and the table top. It created a perfect sling shot, with the fence acting as a guide. When the 30” pine off cut left the saw it traveled the length of the shop like an arrow, and then it pierced the tail light of a Ford service van parked at the end of the shop. I found the off cut not wedged in the tail light assembly, but it had traveled the length of the van inside to wedged itself at the junction of where the windshield and dash meet! This all happened in the matter of seconds. I sold the radial arm saw after 20 years of ownership when I purchased my table saw. Now when I approach any shop equipment I ask myself, what is the worst thing that could happen based on the cut I am about to make? Work safe.
What a great down to earth video! Often times I roll my eyes about those over-the-top accident videos, but you outright got to the point, owned your mistake and did a sober investigation of the root-causes. That was really great. Thanks for sharing your mistake for all of us to learn, way to go!
Glad you were not seriously injured... and as everyone else has stated - THANK YOU - for sharing this experience AND your explanation on what happened!
We may learn from our mistakes, but it’s a lot less painful to learn from other people’s mistakes. Thank you very much for sharing this with us. That could so easily have been so much worse. I know I learned from watching this, now I hope the lesson sticks!
Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot from your explanation and frame-by-frame commentary. There is no telling how many accidents you have prevented by letting others see this in detail.
dude thanks for sharing to save others I was taught day 1 that this is one of the very worst things you can ever do on a bandsaw! ALWAYS fixture a round object as when they catch they pull you into the blade! so happy you got the lesson WITHOUT the amputation!! stay blessed and be safe brother!! PS where possible also set your runner to just clear the work better to punch guide than blade!
At work I was cutting a 8x8 inch square piece of 1/2" plywood on a table saw with a fence. I was practicing not being in the path of the board should the blade grab it, and was using a push stick. The fence wasn't parallel with the blade and in fact it did grab the board and in a fraction of a second threw it under my right arm and about 20 ft behind me into a metal shelf with a loud bang. It was going so fast I don't think it dropped even 6 inches in the flight path. I'm just glad I had my helper stand out of the path too. He learned a very valuable lesson about a safety position with power tools, and I was reminded of one to make sure when using a fence to double check the parallel position, also on having the blade as high as possible to ensure the cutting angle isn't likely to grab board sideways with a low cutting angle. I'm glad no one was hurt, just my pride. Thanks for sharing your problem, it's always better to see it than experience it. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
In addition to all of the other dynamics going on it was interesting to see that the blade grabbed the wood right at the center of the tree. It's like a bullseye at 4:04. No telling if that was contributory. So grateful for you that it ended as well as it did. When I was installing my dust collection system I was about to shorten a piece of 4" PVC sewer pipe in the bandsaw and realized my fingertips were about an inch inside the end of the pipe. Fortunately I thought better and pulled back to just the pads of my fingers holding the pipe. When it was ripped out of my hands at lightspeed I said a little prayer that I had pulled my fingers back. Round stuff needs to be in a jig or a clamp when cutting with powered blades.
I have seen other people on you tube promoting listening to music or buying a particular device to listen to music. I always felt that I could not stay focused on what I am doing in the shop creating an unsafe environment. I just thought it was my own personal problem so Im glad you have the guts to show this accident.
Thanks for posting. I think some woodworkers would be humiliated or otherwise reluctant to post this but it happens to all of us in some form eventually. And if you're cocky enough to think you're immune I don't want to be in your shop. These videos help us learn some of the most important lessons of the shop, so thanks again for posting.
Thank you for showing this.. It will increase my care at the bandsaw for sure and many others. And no more music for me either unless I'm sanding or finishing.
Very glad you weren't hurt! Thank you for sharing this, I do believe it's important to share this. I have a bandsaw and watching that ordeal, well it honestly causes me to not take safety and thinking ahead for granted. Just so glad you are ok. Always appreciate your vids.
I am so thankful you are ok THANK YOU for showing this as it is a HUGE REMINDER for all in the shop to pay attention to what is going on in a shop again glad you were not seriously hurt 😮
Between this video and the one where someone caught a kickback on camera that just missed removing their thumb, I'm totally traumatized. But that's a good thing, I think. Reminds me that you can NEVER get lazy or lax when using power tools. Thanks for posting this. I'm so glad you weren't seriously injured.
Wow, thankful you weren't more seriously hurt. Thanks for sharing this and reminding all of us that stuff can happen in the blink of an eye.
thank goodness you lose fingers or hand !!
That's what safety squints are for.
I hate that I'm saying thanks for posting but thanks for posting and you weren't terribly injured
Isn't that the only way "stuff" happens? Never had a super slow kickback.
It takes a lot of humility to admit your mistake and I think it takes even more to post this online. I’m very happy you weren’t cut by the blade. I had an incident on a chop saw and I cut my hand with the blade. It’s amazing how quickly it happens and I still remember to this day seeing the pink mist in the air which was the blood from my hand. That was 25 years ago but it feels like yesterday. Thank you for posting this!!
How did this happen? I'm in no way shaming you, I just want to learn from this mistep.
@@glenmchargue5461did you watch the video?
@@Alvah707you are reading to a reply to a comment not a reply to the video.
@@J053B01L u right u right my fault my fault
The video is to make money. 500k+ views already. Don't overthink it.
You know I try to learn from as many "professional" makers as I can. What I really like is that several of you are not afraid to show your mistakes and the videos that show what was done and how we can avoid what happened. I truly cannot express my gratitude for this community.
90% of the people on youtube abuse a tablesaw for all tasks. They're contributing to hundreds of thousands of serious ~accidents~ negligent incidents every year.
I think that might be the way I decide who to follow
This is an excellent video for all to see. Not only does it show (and explain) a mistake to be avoided, but it serves as a reminder as to just how fast mistakes can bite you. I'm glad you were relatively unscathed. Stay safe.
No telling how many serious injuries you prevented with this explanation. I don't use a bandsaw, I don't do the kind of work that requires one, but anything with jaws, teeth or a blade and a motor deserves our full attention. My hat is off to you sir for putting this out there.
Treat anything thats measured in horse power as a horse that wants your lunch - my grandpa
Just bought a band saw. Working to develop and gain experience and your video is a real lesson. I've learned a lot from your videos - this one I won't forget. Thanks for sharing. Glad your ok!
Bdiamaz, I’ve owned bandsaws and used them for many hours. They are about the safest woodworking tool in the shop. Never came even remotely close to hurting myself. This guy’s a special kind of stu pid.
@@trappenweisseguy27 congratulation for your certainty and arrogance
@@trappenweisseguy27 The attitude of "he is stupid, that would never happen to me" is precisely what will get you hurt one day. Yes, it was a stupid mistake. Jay Bates himself called it "bonehead". But if you think you're immune to stupid decisions...well good luck to you. I mean that sincerely!
Jay thank you for this video. Bandsaw safety videos are something that I haven't seen before. I don't yet have a bandsaw but I want one, and this is something I hope stays with me. I never would have thought about the issues you raised and the cause of this incident. Keep up the good work. You are one of the best.
These kinds of videos are invaluable reminders. Always, always, always think through what you're doing and why. So grateful you weren't seriously hurt. You have done a great service by "swallowing (your) pride" and giving the rest of us - experienced (to whom accidents happen to more often) and rookies alike. Respect to you, man. Not everyone is willing to show their ... lack of attention ... to the world.
Your guardian angel was next to you that day. What's important is that you learned from it, and are sharing the lesson with others. Respect!
Great learning experience for all of us. Thanks for your humility. So glad you are OK.
VH. One of my top 5 favorite groups. The Hot for Teacher video back in the 80's was awesome.
"Done it several times without an issue" complacency is the biggest threat in any workshop, garage or machine shop. Glad nothing severe happened as you were reminded here 👍
Seems 90% of people who are seriously injured on a machine say they do it all the time without any issue
Giving him a thumbs up? So insensitive… just kidding. I calculated about 160mph is how fast he got hit by that handle.
"cigarettes are safe, I do them all the time and i didn't get cancer, there is this guy who smoked 2 packs everyday and lived to 90y old"
"shop dust and spray paint are not that bad, look at me, i used them with no protetction at all and i'm good for last 20 years"
Experience leads to complacency. I've seen it a hundred times. I've had to render first aid to people too many times because they have done something a hundred times + and let their guard down and lost fingers or got they're foot smashed or bad cuts because they were complacent!!
@@genecarden780We had one of these with a surface grinder in my shop. The operator had a steel plate down, freshly ground. Surface grinders tend to build up a metal sludge or paste around the part, as the particles stick to the magnetic chuck. It's best practice to wipe the sludge away from the part before removing it to make the next part significantly faster to load.
While wiping it away, his hand touches the grinding wheel, which instantly was pulled through the gap between the wheel and the part... After being surface ground, the edges of a part are ridiculously sharp. Like, exactly as sharp as a freshly sharpened knife, have to handle with anti cut gloves.
I was first on scene and rendered first aid. He got SO LUCKY. The distance between the wheel and the part's sharp edge happened to be 0.552 inches (we measured it afterwards). If it were 0.5, it would have cracked the bones in his first 3 fingers. At 0.4, it would have broken those bones completely. Anything less, and those fingers would have been lying on the floor. He got away with damaged tendons and some really deep cuts.
I did an after action with him, asked what happened, what we could do to prevent it in future. He said that he has done this 30 times a day for 2 years with no problem. It's untenable to stop the grinding wheel between each part (it would quadruple the cycle time on each part), so he raises the wheel about half and inch, then drives it back an inch, which gives him clearance to wipe the part down. On that day, he got distracted while driving the wheel back, and never finished driving it back the full inch, forgot that he hadn't finished, and started the wipe down. We put a bunch of controls in place to keep that from being possible again, but hot damn it was so close to ruining his life.
Good thing that little nub didn’t grab your thumb on the way up and slam it into the moving blade. You could have easily lost your thumb, it’s only by random luck that you didn’t. Thank you for being humble and sharing this with everyone.
I don't use my bandsaw nearly as often as you. Thank you for sharing and brining this to my attention. Truly appreciate all that you bring to us.
Not every day we see a man that can save others as you have done with this video. We all make mistakes. I made one once. But you have the courage to show exactly what happened. Can't give you enough credit for this. Extremely well done sir.
Thank you for making this short video about this.
The more people are able to see the dangers of certain actions that can be dangerous, the safer we can be in our actions.
Stay Safe Everyone!
Glad you weren't hurt. These kinds of videos are great safety reminders and teaching tools. It's so easy to get complacent and not think things through. So many people get hurt and think "I knew better, why did I do that?" or "I should have see coming."
Thanks for sharing this, Jay. It is a great reminder to pay attention, be present, and work as safely as possible around power tools. I am glad for your sake that it was not any worse.
Thank you for this. I am a new bandsaw user and I have that same band saw. My favorite tool at the moment, but I think I was getting too complacent with it. So again, thank you for bringing back to reality for me.
Never cut round stock over an inch or so radius. It is unsupported at point of contact and will spin out of control as happened in this video.
This should be required viewing for anybody getting into band saws, or even those who think it'll never happen to them. Always respect the blade.
I often hear how the band saw is one of the safer shop saws as the blade moves down and away from the operator. Thanks for showing that this is still a potentially dangerous piece of equipment worthy of all your attention when using it.
Yes one of the safer.......not "safe"
This is about one of the only ways a kickback could happen. Or if he were to try and cute a square block on the corner without it being flat. Because it's not flat to the table it allows the workpiece to move. Notive how when it first catches it almost pulls it down.
I've always believed that the sign of a true professional is admitting mistakes and learning from them.thank you for making this video.
It's a torque issue. The pivot point is at the table, but the point of contact (and where the torque force is being loaded on) is where the tooth of the blade first meets the wood. When the piece enters with the larger circle first, the contact point is further from the pivot and thus the blade puts more torque on the piece, making it harder for you to stabilize. Glad your safe. Many thanks for being humble enough to share this with others and encourage safety in the woodworking community. Go Blue, and Go Lions.
With the piece reversed the wood grain is sloping down in the same direction as the blade. The way the accident happened was with the grain pointing up for the teeth to grab . This is the other major reason.
Thank you so much for uploading this! I am a woodshop instructor and I tell my students about this problem regularly, but I love having such a perfectly filmed, but thankfully non-gory, example of exactly what can happen. I'm glad you ended up safe as well, but thank you for being willing to post your mistakes like this.
So pleased you are OK and can share this learning episode with no more that a bruised thumb.
It’s awesome you have balls enough to show this boss ! Appreciate it immensely ! This will help a multitude of people period ! Good on you sir !
Thank you for sharing this experience! I'm always amazed by people who seem to be able to listen to music, podcasts, or what have you while working with power tools. I know from experience that I am easily distracted and your experience reinforces my feeling that I would be foolish to EVER attempt it. Thanks again!
I’m very glad you were not permanently injured Jay, thanks for sharing and walking us all through it frame by frame. Your one of the earliest woodworking icons that I first discovered on UA-cam years ago, take time to think about setting up each cut before you make them and if something doesn’t feel safe step back and re think it. I like how you said when you are running a saw that is doing something, music is not needed in that moment.
What timing!!!I'm brand new to woodworking and just got my bandsaw in on Tuesday this past week. I hate that I had to learn like this, but sure appreciate you sharing it with us!
Please read the operating instructions carefully - they came with the machine.
Your face really slowed down that wood's motion for sure! I've never stopped anything with my face! You get a 'THUMBS' up for sure. No pun intended.😂
Jay, first, I am glad that you are OK. You are one of the most down to earth and humble makers that I follow. Taking the time to put this together is such a responsible thing to do. We all have these lapses from time to time. Sharing them and showing how very quickly things can go from normal to sour, for even an experienced craftsman, is so important. Thanks for sharing.
Takes a real man to admit his mistakes and show the world, on video I might add, in order to turn his mistake into a learning experience for others. Says a lot about you as a person. This tells me that you are a thoughtful and caring person for you to share this with everyone. Really glad that nothing serious happened.
Excellent video and a reminder about bandsaw safety for everyone. Should be required viewing for all bandsaw users - regardless of experience level. Glad you weren’t seriously injured. Simple accidents like this can easily change the course of the rest of your life.
Glad you were able to come away with just a valuable reminder / lesson and not an injury! Thank you for showing this and not hiding it. This will no doubt save a few injuries alone.
Excellent video, Jay. I am glad you were not seriously hurt. You likely saved a bunch of woodworkers from losing some digits by documenting your incident and teaching this valuable safety lesson. Also, a great move to immediately announce to your wife that you were not hurt. I am sure she appreciates you saving her from worrying even before she knew she had to worry. I am not sure if the Van Halen was a factor in any way, but if you are going to listen to music in the shop, I recommend Rush. 😉😉😉
Something more important than fingers was at stake here, that board hit him in the face, it also splintered and a chunk flew off. What if unprotected eyes had come into contact with a shard of wood in this scenario, loss of an eye and possibly penetration through the eye socket.
In the future I recommend that all charcuterie boards to be kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw.
@@amazingpopculturepodcast I love it!! I wonder if there are any other New World Men who caught that reference. Well done, sir!!
@@runnerandgunner7954I bet there’s some analog kid or digital man that will get it. Thank you :)
I knew what was going to happen and I still jumped when the blade caught the workpiece. Thanks for the reminder! to keep your mind on the job. Great video!
It could have been worse is an understatement!! Glad you're OK. Also, I never thought about round objects and rotation. Thanks for the reminder to stay aware.
I've never tried to resaw anything round on a bandsaw, and if I had to do it I would not have known the danger if you hadn't made this video. Thank you for the humbleness it took to make it and passing on the valuable lesson you learned to us! I'm sure you have prevented others from the same fate or worse!
Glad you're ok, thank you so much for posting this, it's a great reminder of what can happen in an instant, even with a very skilled wood worker such as yourself!
Thanks for sharing so we can all learn from this and glad you are ok!
First off, so grateful you were not hurt worse than you were. Second, thank you for putting this out there to help educate all of us. I have worked for over fifty years in a wood and metal working shop, and yes one millisecond of attention loss can be horrid. I'm not going to explain how I know; I just do. Again, thank you for the educational video.
Wow, thank you for sharing this, thank God you didn’t get seriously hurt, hopefully you saved someone in the future from serious injury !!! ❤
I"ve been doing some kind of woodworking for 60 years and I know accidents happen VERY quickly. A few years ago I got my thumb sucked into a 1 h.p. router trying to route a round over on a round picture frame. It took the side of my thumb knuckle right to the bone. You learn very quickly that you did something wrong. Fortunately all healed well and I learned from it. Thank you for telling your story in order to give some one else a heads up. Bob.
Tragar el orgullo y mostrar el accidente para que a todos no nos pase nunca me hace tener el Mayor Respeto hacia tu persona. Muchas Gracias!
The humility and thorough analysis of this split second experience is so appriciated.
Wow, glad it wasn't worse. Also, good thing you were wearing safety glasses since it hit your head.
Thanks for sharing your moment of complacency, it's very good that it didn't suck your hand into the blade. It's scary how fast injuries happen. Nice bandsaw. I have the 18BX in my living room.
This is literally the must useful bandsaw video I've watched. Thank you for sharing your experience and hopefully preventing a multitude of accidents.
Thank you for the humility to share this with us!
I try to always remember to never be complacent around machines that can change your life in 1/24th of a second. But it still happens to the best of us. We are always constantly learning and you sharing this video will hopefully prevent some of us having to learn the hard way!
At my job they are really pushing that “all” accidents can be avoided. I’m starting to slowly agree with that premise. Glad you are relatively okay other than the bruised thumb and ego. I’ve had the same type of accident and also got “lucky”. Thank you for sharing it.
Yes, turn off the music!
Wow. My hat is off to you for sharing that. Most of us this is something we would not want to admit we have done. I had a round object taking out of my hand once from a router with a flush trim bit and My finger and thumb ended up closing down on the bit because how hard I was squeezing. I knew it was a bad Idea but I did it anyway. Just like you explained cutting these. Even the way you did the first 4 you knew it was not the best of Ideas and proceeded to do it anyway. So that should be lesson #1 for all of us. If you have a doubt in your mind when about to do something on a machine do not override that thought. Instead explore it and make sure you are accounting for all of the forces in play. I was lucky mine removed the pad on my finger and thumb complete yellow meat showing but you somehow can not even tell today as all the finger prints grew back.
Thank you for having the balls to say you had a lap in judgement and turn it into a learning episode for others.
Bandsaw is one of those under respected tools by many but the fact is it is the finest bone saw you have in the shop.
I once heard there is no such thing as an accident just a series of bad or decisions. Thanks for posting and explaining all the conscious and unconscious "decisions" that went into what could have been a very serious incident.
It's not QUITE true, but for most things we experience human error is almost always the root cause.
It's a good man that shares his mistakes for the benefits of others. Thank you!
Would a simple fixture (say two rectangular pieces of MDF, with the profile of the charcuterie board routed out of them) be suitable in this case?
Yes, this is the right way. No need actually route the profile though. Put the board against a piece of scrap (mdf or whatever) on the fence, place the handle in front and down against the table and screw or glue a small block to the scrap and in contact with the top of the handle. Use a push block to keep it pressed into the fence and the handle couldn't spin in either direction. A piece or two of double stick tape would make it even a little more secure.
Very glad that you are safe and still intact! Thank you for sharing this reminder with all of us!
Ouch! Glad you weren't hurt more seriously Jay!
Glad your ok. In shop class in school long ago, one of the students ran his hand sideways into the bandsaw. Nasty accident. Different scenario entirely but left a reminder in my brain for life. Thanks for posting.
Glad you are ok. THANK YOU for sharing this close call and learning experience….
Thnaks for also showing your mistakes and making people awair of the potential danger-situations in a workshop. Hope your thumb gets better soon and that you can enjoy working on projects without pain again. We also enjoy whatching your working on it :-)
I had an accident with my table saw. I was cutting a thin strip off of a drawer bottom and did not remove my gloves. The blade was down to 3/16" of an inch and hooked the tip of my middle finger and pulled my index finger into the blade. Nothing was cut off, but both fingers had to be close in surgery. REMOVE YOUR GLOVES!!!!!!
Thanks for a great video.... You address something which I believe in wholeheartedly and have preached to my children and grandchildren for many years: When working in the shop, job one is to always and forever be present within the moment so that you are fully aware of what you are doing because one moment of distraction can cost you dearly, maybe even get you killed. Thank you for posting this very important video... I'm so glad you weren't more seriously hurt. If you're like me, I'm sure you will never make that mistake again.
Oh wow, you're honesty and professionalism is going to save limbs. Thank you.
Good video. It probably helped a lot of people avoid the same mistake. Next time use a vertical slave board with a peg in it for the hole in the handle. It would effectively turn that round piece into a stable flat edge setup. Glad you didn't loose any body parts.
This is one of the best woodworking videos I've ever seen. Thank you so much for putting this out.
Lots of other people would have been too embarrassed in this situation, but actually watching a real example of an experienced woodworker making a dangerous mistake is extremely educational and useful, because it really can happen to anybody if you're not careful, and if it happens to you, the band saw (or whatever power tool) really does not care who you are or how much experience you think you have. It was also great that you went through all of the potential contributing factors, and listed off all of the things that you shouldn't have done (not just one).
I don't do woodworking that often, but I've always had a personal philosophy never to listen to music any time I am anywhere near an active power tool (whether I'm the one using it or not). I just don't want to risk my concentration being reduced in any situation that could potentially take off a body part faster than I can even react if I'm not careful about exactly where I am and what I'm doing at all times...
As a retired safety professional I don't like the word "accident" because it has the connotation that they aren't always preventable. That they just happen. What you had was a preventable incident. You did a fantastic job of analyzing and determine what should have been done to prevent it. Thanks for sharing.
I have only just started watching content on woodworking and the algorithm randomly recommended this, first video of yours I have seen and I can honestly say we need more videos like these showing that how just a single mistake can spell disaster. Thank you for sharing this, you very well might have saved someone from a serious injury or worse.
Hey thanks for sharing your experience with all of us and not pretending as if it never happened due to being so experienced. Thank you for allowing us to learn from you. I didn’t quite catch it until you said it.
Thank you, Jay, for sharing. I actually am unboxing my first bandsaw purchase today and happened to come across this during my morning coffee! I will certainly give new respect to this machine that is “so much safer than a tablesaw“.
"Learn from the mistakes of others - you won't live long enough to make them all yourself" - so thanks for helping to contribute to our safety training.
A great reminder about the dangers of complacency. You get used to doing your thing and it's easy to forget the appropriate steps. Not just here, but with many different jobs. Great content, thank you for this.
Wow thank you so much for sharing this! I think all of us woodworkers (power-tool users) need to watch something like this just to keep it fresh in our memories how quickly something can go wrong. Had my own bonehead move I got somewhat away with as well so no one is above it that's for sure! Glad you are ok man!
Thanks for sharing that. Everyone says these accidents happen so fast but to actually see it was an eye opener. I'm sure I'll be more focused when cutting materials from now on.
Thank you for sharing this accident. I had a few friends and family who do woodworking as a hobby and I will be sharing this video with them, in an effort to help them prevent injuries in their shops.
I have a ton of respect for you making a video like this. on your mistakes in the shop and it makes us all safer at the end of the day. Thank you!!
My first bandsaw, that I recently ordered, is arriving today. I'm already reasonably paranoid about such a potentially dangerous tool. Yeah, I'm a little more spooked, now, but I LOVE learning from OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES! Thanks for sharing the incident and the oh-so-hilarious slo-mo play-by-play! Seriously, though, glad you're okay and that you learned from this scary incident. My small, cheap bandsaw will be going into my laser room, to trim down 12x12x1/8 plywood scrap - so nothing terribly risky. Thanks for the video!
You should get a print of the worst part of this and tape it to your bandsaw, so you see it every time you switch it on.
Thank you for having the courage to show your mistake! One has to wonder how many other UA-camrs have made serious mistakes but were too embarrassed to show them to their viewers. I have benefitted from this video and I'm VERY glad you didn't shed any blood!
Thank God nothing worse happened. And thank you for sharing.Normally, a bandsaw is considered a relatively safe machine compared to, for example, table saws. And that's exactly when such carelessness happens.
I was aware from the beginning of the video which problem would occur. But only because I knew something would go wrong. If I hadn't known about an accident beforehand, I probably wouldn't have recognized your mistake at all.
I'm glad you posted this. It will certainly save many from a similar or worse fate.
Hope you recover quickly. Thanks for sharing the root cause, and instruction. Always need to be reminded to work safely. Thanks.
Glad that such a violent force didn’t hurt you worse than it did. You are such a talented, confident, machine operator that complaisance is a factor. Thank you for sharing.
Glad you are ok and didn’t suffer any serious injuries. I had a gotcha moment when making raised door panels on a radial arm saw many years ago. I happened to have the saw setup in a way that trapped the beveled waste cutoff between the saw blade and the table top. It created a perfect sling shot, with the fence acting as a guide.
When the 30” pine off cut left the saw it traveled the length of the shop like an arrow, and then it pierced the tail light of a Ford service van parked at the end of the shop. I found the off cut not wedged in the tail light assembly, but it had traveled the length of the van inside to wedged itself at the junction of where the windshield and dash meet! This all happened in the matter of seconds.
I sold the radial arm saw after 20 years of ownership when I purchased my table saw. Now when I approach any shop equipment I ask myself, what is the worst thing that could happen based on the cut I am about to make? Work safe.
What a great down to earth video! Often times I roll my eyes about those over-the-top accident videos, but you outright got to the point, owned your mistake and did a sober investigation of the root-causes. That was really great. Thanks for sharing your mistake for all of us to learn, way to go!
Glad you were not seriously injured... and as everyone else has stated - THANK YOU - for sharing this experience AND your explanation on what happened!
We may learn from our mistakes, but it’s a lot less painful to learn from other people’s mistakes. Thank you very much for sharing this with us. That could so easily have been so much worse. I know I learned from watching this, now I hope the lesson sticks!
Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot from your explanation and frame-by-frame commentary. There is no telling how many accidents you have prevented by letting others see this in detail.
Thanks Jay, Learned from your mistake on this one and I appreciate I didn't have to learn the hard way. Glad you're not seriously injured.
So glad you are OK Jay! Grateful you shared this very important lesson for ALL of us to learn from… Thank you!!!
Glad you are ok!!!! Thank you for sharing and helping to prevent others from getting hurt!
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thanks for sharing to save others
I was taught day 1 that this is one of the very worst things you can ever do on a bandsaw!
ALWAYS fixture a round object as when they catch they pull you into the blade!
so happy you got the lesson WITHOUT the amputation!!
stay blessed and be safe brother!!
PS where possible also set your runner to just clear the work
better to punch guide than blade!
At work I was cutting a 8x8 inch square piece of 1/2" plywood on a table saw with a fence. I was practicing not being in the path of the board should the blade grab it, and was using a push stick. The fence wasn't parallel with the blade and in fact it did grab the board and in a fraction of a second threw it under my right arm and about 20 ft behind me into a metal shelf with a loud bang. It was going so fast I don't think it dropped even 6 inches in the flight path. I'm just glad I had my helper stand out of the path too. He learned a very valuable lesson about a safety position with power tools, and I was reminded of one to make sure when using a fence to double check the parallel position, also on having the blade as high as possible to ensure the cutting angle isn't likely to grab board sideways with a low cutting angle. I'm glad no one was hurt, just my pride. Thanks for sharing your problem, it's always better to see it than experience it. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Thanks for showing this, so glad you weren't seriously injured. Nice Red Wing drawer pulls in the background.
In addition to all of the other dynamics going on it was interesting to see that the blade grabbed the wood right at the center of the tree. It's like a bullseye at 4:04. No telling if that was contributory. So grateful for you that it ended as well as it did.
When I was installing my dust collection system I was about to shorten a piece of 4" PVC sewer pipe in the bandsaw and realized my fingertips were about an inch inside the end of the pipe. Fortunately I thought better and pulled back to just the pads of my fingers holding the pipe. When it was ripped out of my hands at lightspeed I said a little prayer that I had pulled my fingers back. Round stuff needs to be in a jig or a clamp when cutting with powered blades.
I have seen other people on you tube promoting listening to music or buying a particular device to listen to music. I always felt that I could not stay focused on what I am doing in the shop creating an unsafe environment. I just thought it was my own personal problem so Im glad you have the guts to show this accident.
Wow, watching the slow motion, I realize it could took out an eye. So glad you just got a bruises on your thumb. Thanks for sharing this.
Glad you survived. I did the same thing once sawing large aluminum tubing. It's amazing how fast things can go wrong.
Thanks for posting. I think some woodworkers would be humiliated or otherwise reluctant to post this but it happens to all of us in some form eventually. And if you're cocky enough to think you're immune I don't want to be in your shop.
These videos help us learn some of the most important lessons of the shop, so thanks again for posting.
Glad you were ok. Good for you for sharing. Great explanation as well. The narrative held my complete attention.
Thanks for sharing Jay. We all make mistakes but its great when we can learn from them, and share that knowledge with others.
Thank you for showing this.. It will increase my care at the bandsaw for sure and many others. And no more music for me either unless I'm sanding or finishing.
Very glad you weren't hurt! Thank you for sharing this, I do believe it's important to share this. I have a bandsaw and watching that ordeal, well it honestly causes me to not take safety and thinking ahead for granted. Just so glad you are ok. Always appreciate your vids.
I am so thankful you are ok THANK YOU for showing this as it is a HUGE REMINDER for all in the shop to pay attention to what is going on in a shop again glad you were not seriously hurt 😮
Between this video and the one where someone caught a kickback on camera that just missed removing their thumb, I'm totally traumatized. But that's a good thing, I think. Reminds me that you can NEVER get lazy or lax when using power tools. Thanks for posting this. I'm so glad you weren't seriously injured.