There's a Kirkbride meta-text called "On the Origin of the Name Lyg" which describes how Lyg consists of worldbuilding ideas for Tamriel that got discarded after the fire alarms at Bethesda went off and the paper got soaked. The idea of Lyg as a "klecksographic imprint" of Tamriel comes from how in the bin, the wet ink of the drawings and writing of a Tamriel that never was got imprinted and dried on the folded paper. "Lyg" is MK's impression of how the alarm sounded.
@@Discotekh_Dynasty better at writing trippy lore? Definitely. Better at being employed by Bethesda? Less so. He would reportedly sometimes come in off his face or just not come in at all 😬
@@SinisterRed98 yeah exactly what I was hinting at. But yeah, imagine if Bethesda gave him permission to make his own "drew the daedrologist book on daedra/aedra and oblivion" maybe a petition is in order lol
I still think that the Dreughs didn't die off or devolve from the Dunmer hunting them. They retreated deeper into the ocean while only the less intelligent ones stayed behind.
could Molag Bal have converted Lyg (the old domain of the Dreghs, of which he was chief) into his now plane of oblivion, Coldharbour? both are said to be a different version of Tamriel
Oh, Vivec has, you know, a fully working set of both genitals. Duality is kinda his thing, he probably has both the ability to seed life and to birth it. So it's not too far fetched for the gods to mpreg! And for Vivec, maybe even self impreg!
Interesting theory: what if "Adjacent Places" are more then just simply "another dimension"? What is this is the very essence of how Akatosh managed to create linear time? There is no single timeline, Akatosh simply split all the variables up, and shut them away in countless "Adjacent Places" The universe we are following just being one of the countless others. When a Dragon Break occurs, the invisible barriers between the Adjacent Places are temporarily broken until Akatosh can fix them/itself. Allowing the various timelines to mix and flow over each-other once more. Forcing Akatosh to split them once more, while abiding with the changes the mix created to ensure stability for all involved Adjacent Places before he can seal them off from each-other again. All those Adjacent Places run parallel to each-other for the total duration of the Kalpa.
It would be interesting to see the Thalmor slowly turn away from their Aedra heritage and start worshipping Dagon. They could become a new race like the Dunmer did, Thalmer.
@@alexanderofrhodes9622 perhaps , but I don't think a race can lives solely on worshiping one daedra ,especially dagon. but I have been proven wrong before.
I'm of the belief that "Adjacent Places" is a fancy way of saying "Continents." Atmora, the physical continent of Aldmeris (not the romanticized version the mer remember), Akavir, the underwater ruins of Yokuda, Pyandonea, and the decimated remains of Lyg are all out there in the oceans of Nirn. You could theoretically sail to them but for whatever reason, actually doing so is profoundly difficult.
What if Lygg is actually Coldharbour? The Dreugh's chief was Molag Bal who rules Coldharbour and as we know, eternal torture is quite normal there and as a sort of uprising Mehrunes Dagon was created to free the tortured souls from Molag Bal's tyranny and the Dreughs tyranny on Tamriel. Edit: Maybe the adjecent places are realms of Oblivion?
It really doesn't matter what Lyg was before time existed. If anything, this story hints of Mehrunes' 'birth' as a response to Molag's actions in the reality of the previous kalpa, but since such a thing is a function of time, _the daedra prince has always been._ I think Coldharbour is just Molag's dakimakura city. Full to the brim with every nasty perversion he wouldve loved to inflict on the puny realm he just can't fully dominate, to his frustration.
@Shy Cracker so, they’re not the same plane. That’s literally all I had to say. Don’t know what the point of your comment was either since it doesn’t have anything to do with what I said.
Nah, he'd be fucking obnoxious. Never speaking in any way that made sense nor was direct. You'd get a better conversation that made more sense out of sheogorath.
@@nathanielgreco8851 Yep. Hir's both innocent and not innocent. Things hir says are both true and not true (depending), like if hir murdered Nerevar. (Headcanon: after the Three murdered him, they created a new Timeline -- and deleted the original one -- where they really did have Divine origins (cue Vivec and Almalexia's origin stories in Dunmeri Folklore) and didn't have to murder their beloved Hortator, even though they originally did...) A gr8 story-teller and heartwinner. Not one to be trusted completely. But the same can go for literally any source of information in TES, because of the ever-present state of Unreliable Narrator it has in its lore. (Which, imo, makes it even more interesting.)
Theory 1) There are 12 "parallel places". Each is one of the destroyed worlds who's parts were used to make Nirn. Lyg is the one Nirn got its oceans from.
The dreghs are pretty interesting. If only we could see how a town full of intelligent non-hostile would be like. It would be a cool little miscellanious bit of content for the next game.
The way you tell lore is so poetic it’s amazing compared to all the dumbed down lore videos everywhere ells seriously you guys should be proud of the quality of your content!
This was an interesting vid to listen to. Kinda makes me like dagon more as a character, as this paints him less as a "huge meanie that just wants to cause destruction" and more of a flawed creation "god" of hope and freedom. I like this
I know this’ll probably get buried under so many other comments but i have to say- You’re such a great you-tuber. Your editing is perfect and your voice(s) are beautiful. I’ve been watching you since before i even had an accounts and you’ve always been a treat to watch.
Headcanon: Mehrunes Dagon is Auriel, and the Thalmor will eventually learn this and become a splinter race from the Altmer. Lyg is Nirn/Tamriel from the most previous Kalpa and Dagon ended that Kalpa by tearing down the towers of Lyg. During the remaking of the Orbis Dagon became Auriel, the beginning of Time, and a new Dagon was forged by the new Magna Ge
I’ve had this thought but that he is a fragment of him created during his fracturing, with auriel the beginning, akatosh the present, Alduin the end and mehrunes dagon the glue in between them all.
So good to see more ES content! You guys really brighten up my days, and I'm much more passionate about the fantasy genre than CERTAIN SCIENCE FICTION TITLES... Love you guys and keep up the amazing work.
This might sound weird but i put your vodeos on sometime an it helps me an my son fall to sleep lol we both are big fans of these games so all the detail an time you put into reserching lore is great thanks for keeping us ent with the great content
5:27 “But we can learn more from the warrior-poet and demigod of Morrowind, Vivec.” Look, Drew. I’ve been watching this channel for many years. And you and I both know durn freaking well that asking Vivec about those lobsters will lead to hearing a lot and learning absolutely nothing.
This video got me wondering: If Nirn was actually a trap for the Aedra why would they help to protect it? Do they have something to win with it? Do they have something to lose with it's destruction? Or were never tricked in the first place and consent their powers to it's formation?
Theory 2) Lyg is Lorkans realm of Oblivion. All of the events we hear about taking place in Lyg happened in the time just after the Convention, when Lyg was without Lorkan to rule it.
I love Jeremy Seoul's Compositions and Secunda is my favorite, sadly I use it to fall asleep, so somebody wake me up later and tell me what this video was all about. K, thanks bye. Zzz
This adds another perspective on Lorkan. The creation myths show him as a traitor, but it's really more mundane than that, isn't it? How many other failed realms are there? Were the other Original Spirits starting to grow weary of Lorkan's experiments? Was Lorkan pushed into this role? Was he bound? Was his plot to bind the Original Spirits an act of rebellion, selfishness, mischief, or desperation?
I belive the different planes are actualy different planets. And the different races of the Elderscroll universe each came from a different plane. They will probably adress this in the next games...
Of all the things I’ve learned in this video, the idea that Molag Bal of all the Daedra was once married was not one I would have expected given his... practices.
This is fueling my ESO hype for next years adventure that just so happens to be about mehrunes dagon..... Ohhhh I see what you did there 😎 Keep up the awsome work!
I really want to do a play through of Skyrim as a devout of Merunes Dagon, where the goal is to shift between the factions to collapse the oppressive forces as a terrorist, liberator and executor. Support the weak until they are strong, then tear them down in turn. It would be really interesting to build up groups like the Dark Brotherhood or the Blades then massacre them almost completely. Not fully dead but enough to bring them low. Chaos and freedom would be the only constants.
The “Elderverse” has just been created. It’d be so cool if in the new elder scrolls game they introduced beings from an adjacent realm who come to invade nirn. It’d basically be aliens, but lore friendly. Similar portals to the oblivion portals would occur. But these portals would suck you in kinda like black holes. Like you’d literally be entering an alternative dimension.
What time period did the Khajiit story of Meridia helping Mehrunes happen!? If it was toward the Dawn, and we adopt the Khajiit perspective, we finally have a more clear explanation as to why Merid-Nunda was cast out “for consorting with elicit spectra (Daedra).” She got the boot for helping Mehrunes!
The Scholars once again bring us all honor by teaching us The history of this diverse world, Fallen world's, fallen gods. The end of time? So many things to learn.......so little time.....
I would love a side series of TES games where you play as a historian or an anthropologist or something and just track the lore of different races and whatnot and that leads you into adventure and stuff
The mortals of Tamriel are constantly fighting off these powerful daedric princes, and I think that goes a long way in showing just how powerful mortals can be.
I feel there's a connection between the crustacean like appearance of the Dregg Hermaeus Mora's alternate appearance, and the Farmer's appearance/mental state and their affinity to the Charus.
Everyone, mortal or deadra, exists in all of time and space simultaneously. Including before and after death, even in all realms. The only real distinction between mortals and deadra, is that we don't PERCIEVE it all. We only know and have power over small points of space for small amounts of time using fleshy constructs shaped by our wills. The Deadric Princes on the other hand have vastly greater wills, and are thus more powerful and fully aware of everything they ever have and ever will do at once. In this way we can see that both Men and Mer are right about their interpretation of Lorkhan. He did in fact trick our previous selves into taking on much weaker forms, but in doing so we can much more truly appreciate reality. As the saying goes "You never appreciate what you have until it's gone."
I do think the Dreugh's used to be more intelligent beings. The Aedra shaped Nirn, but all life on Nirn was originally also "divine", but they lost much of their power and started wandering Nirn. All Animals likely have a link to the Aedra too, and were either once Aedra, or were spawned from them in a different way. Like all monsters, (well, most of them) that likely spawned after Wood Elves became them via "the wild hunt". For whatever unknown reason, much like the Giants of Skyrim, who are believed to have once been Ancient Nords. Or the Falmer for that matter. Dreugh's must have "devolved" or otherwise have been cursed, or reduced to their current state, being much more akin to animals.So much in fact that even their souls are no longer as big and strong that they require black soul gems to capture them.
Would be nice to see some videos of the big mods that add a big story to the game and how well it fits in established lore, like Moon & Star, Midwood Isle, Wyrmstooth, Falskaar and Maids Deception. And many others, could even be a complete new video series. Elder Scrolls Unofficial stories& history.
@@23Raind The Tribunal of Knowledge are far from dead......they produce new content almost daily. Praise Be to Scott, Drew, And Michael the Tribunal of Knowledge 🙌
@@23Raind they know the secrets of eternity......they may never die, they have ascended even further than Talos even further than Any Deadra Or Divine.
So, what if each of the “towers” is holding back a parallel planes/realms? And the white gold tower is associated with Lyg/Lig? I know the whole ‘towers upholding the mortal world’ thing, but fun to ponder!
Honestly, really gave me a different look at Mehrunes. I've always seen him as a tyrant of revolution, and as such, evil. But i suppose it makes sense that he isn't inherently evil, hes only doing what he was made to do. Liberate. Free oppressed souls, wherever they be. Whether that be Tamriel or Lyg or any plane of Oblivion.
Creating a world is about separating the IS from IS NOT, and so by definition is an exercise in creating limitations. Trouble is, some people don't like limitations.
My guess? Lyg was broken by Mehrunes Dagon as described here, but possibly along with other worlds of Lorkhan's creation which then got smushed together into the almalgam it is today in attempt to save it all -- Mundus. We see similar change and degradation in the races afterward with the Ehlnofey shifting into mer and men, and we know that Black Marsh (and the Hist) itself was part of another world incorporated into Mundus when the worlds of creation were damaged beyond saving. In this way, Lyg would be a part of Mundus, not parallel but definitely part of a previous kalpa. And... well? Definitely adjacent like what was described by Kirkbride. Directly adjacent and all melding together...
I love the idea of "slave oceans" ruled over by the Dreugh, and border wars fought between them. Maybe you guys can do a video on the slave oceans of the Dreugh!!
Did Dagon end the previous Kalpa by destroying the Towers of Lyg? If so, I wonder if that played a part in Alduin's betrayal - "Meh, the Daedra ended the last cycle, they can handle one more without me. Think I'll just take a vacation in this cold, snowy place with lots of convenient places to perch."
@@23Raind To be fair, Paradise was Cameron's creation so I would say it is his lie as well. By the end Dagon is a dick but honestly I take his word over many other daedra. Could Lyg be bollocks and Dagons creation too? Yes, but it is a possibility until proven false. The thing I wonder is why the book is named after Xarxes. What has he to do with it?
@@23Raind Be honest: knowing the daedric princes, many actually look greatly upon daedra born as daedra. Being created by the magne ge doesn't seem like something he'd lie about. Why not make it something along the lines of a fallen and disgraced god like Akatosh or the others?? It doesn't make sense for him to lie, imo.
Can yall explain the lore of the mod, Vigilant? I'm having trouble placing it in the lore/ unsure if its meant to even follow the lore. The characters seem to but I don't understand why they are in coldharbour etcetera.
There's a Kirkbride meta-text called "On the Origin of the Name Lyg" which describes how Lyg consists of worldbuilding ideas for Tamriel that got discarded after the fire alarms at Bethesda went off and the paper got soaked. The idea of Lyg as a "klecksographic imprint" of Tamriel comes from how in the bin, the wet ink of the drawings and writing of a Tamriel that never was got imprinted and dried on the folded paper. "Lyg" is MK's impression of how the alarm sounded.
I clown on this man constantly but this shit is kinda poetic and he got more inspiration from wet paper than any of us could ever hope to feel
A man beyond talented, I admire his innocent capacity to world build like a God
just go on an ayahuasca binge then write some shit
He did so many drugs and it didn’t even ruin his brain, it made him better
@@Discotekh_Dynasty better at writing trippy lore? Definitely.
Better at being employed by Bethesda? Less so.
He would reportedly sometimes come in off his face or just not come in at all 😬
You know it’s a god tier video when Secunda plays in the intro
All of their videos are god tier.
Yeah fr
Lyg split off from the continent of Ma-ba'lls
And occupied by the lygmer.... Balls
I’m deceased
With this knowlege I've achieved an elevated existence
@@rogehmarbi Would you say you just chimed?
@@troublesome9654 noice
"I've been Drew."
Well who are you now??
Now was then
@@t00thman if now was then then when is now?
Drew has mantled Sheogorath
He was drew
Now he is the dreamer
he achieved E-TMA
Me: "What is Lyg?"
Fudgemuppet: "Lygma."
If you wrote a book I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I can't get over your intros
Yes but his audible would be even better
100% if he narrated books I wouldn’t care what book it was I would listen to it, his got a really story telling voice
@@SinisterRed98 yeah exactly what I was hinting at.
But yeah, imagine if Bethesda gave him permission to make his own "drew the daedrologist book on daedra/aedra and oblivion" maybe a petition is in order lol
Dang that’s a great idea. Seconded!
Same with Shoddycast TKS Mantis and The Storytellrr
I still think that the Dreughs didn't die off or devolve from the Dunmer hunting them. They retreated deeper into the ocean while only the less intelligent ones stayed behind.
could Molag Bal have converted Lyg (the old domain of the Dreghs, of which he was chief) into his now plane of oblivion, Coldharbour? both are said to be a different version of Tamriel
Perhaps he took inspiration of his kalpa to create his plane
I definitely wouldn't want to play Scrabble against Drew.
Scrabble word 'DEMENTORMENTORS'...
1:20 I love how the sacrifice is stuck in the altar, classic Oblivion
It just works, amirite?
@*.*, (Plays terrible version of "Take me Home, Country Roads" on Harmonica.)
I feel like we brushed past the whole Molag Bal - Vivec male impreg thing pretty damn fast
Oh, Vivec has, you know, a fully working set of both genitals. Duality is kinda his thing, he probably has both the ability to seed life and to birth it.
So it's not too far fetched for the gods to mpreg! And for Vivec, maybe even self impreg!
Who else thinks the opening shots are simply BEAUTIFUL?
Me!!!
They are from the "dreamworld" from Elder Scrolls Online Summerset if you are wondering.
Yup
My bad they are called "mind trap"
@@bebo2629 Oh cool! Haven’t been there yet in ESO, gonna have to check it out. Thanks!
Interesting theory: what if "Adjacent Places" are more then just simply "another dimension"?
What is this is the very essence of how Akatosh managed to create linear time?
There is no single timeline, Akatosh simply split all the variables up, and shut them away in countless "Adjacent Places"
The universe we are following just being one of the countless others.
When a Dragon Break occurs, the invisible barriers between the Adjacent Places are temporarily broken until Akatosh can fix them/itself.
Allowing the various timelines to mix and flow over each-other once more.
Forcing Akatosh to split them once more, while abiding with the changes the mix created to ensure stability for all involved Adjacent Places before he can seal them off from each-other again.
All those Adjacent Places run parallel to each-other for the total duration of the Kalpa.
I like to think of the time lines as serpents. Like the Sakatal. And dragon are just serpents who can reach heaven
its wierd to see that the dominion and Mehrunes Dagon have the same goal , tearing down the towers of reality
It would be interesting to see the Thalmor slowly turn away from their Aedra heritage and start worshipping Dagon. They could become a new race like the Dunmer did, Thalmer.
@@alexanderofrhodes9622 perhaps , but I don't think a race can lives solely on worshiping one daedra ,especially dagon.
but I have been proven wrong before.
@@MrEHD-fj1bz
The Dunmer got away with 3 and the Dwemer had none, I think it could work
@@alexanderofrhodes9622 true but the dwemer were chads
@@yilgis8129
So atheist in the end they became gods and stopped believing in themselves
Fudgemuppet: "WE ARE SPEED."
Oh hi AllinAll!
release careless thuum now
I'm coming for you 👁
I was gonna like but at 69 sooooo
@@asmillingchihuahua9858 It's not NICE anymore.
AllinAll MONSTER
I'm of the belief that "Adjacent Places" is a fancy way of saying "Continents." Atmora, the physical continent of Aldmeris (not the romanticized version the mer remember), Akavir, the underwater ruins of Yokuda, Pyandonea, and the decimated remains of Lyg are all out there in the oceans of Nirn. You could theoretically sail to them but for whatever reason, actually doing so is profoundly difficult.
Drew has such a calm calming voice, like a breeze through the forest
Seriously, I almost fell into a peaceful sleep watching.
@@rooscochran1003 best sleeping pill ever 😴
As a straight male, I would listen to that man day anything.
What if Lygg is actually Coldharbour?
The Dreugh's chief was Molag Bal who rules Coldharbour and as we know, eternal torture is quite normal there and as a sort of uprising Mehrunes Dagon was created to free the tortured souls from Molag Bal's tyranny and the Dreughs tyranny on Tamriel.
Edit:
Maybe the adjecent places are realms of Oblivion?
It really doesn't matter what Lyg was before time existed. If anything, this story hints of Mehrunes' 'birth' as a response to Molag's actions in the reality of the previous kalpa, but since such a thing is a function of time, _the daedra prince has always been._
I think Coldharbour is just Molag's dakimakura city. Full to the brim with every nasty perversion he wouldve loved to inflict on the puny realm he just can't fully dominate, to his frustration.
Who says Nirn is not a plane of Oblivion? 🤔
@@McHobotheBobo Technically it is. Its rulers are the nine.
@@TechnoMinarchist the nine are of aetherius though. Not oblivion.
@Shy Cracker so, they’re not the same plane. That’s literally all I had to say. Don’t know what the point of your comment was either since it doesn’t have anything to do with what I said.
Drew: "The dreugh's hides and wax are valuable."
Me: "Nods in ESO."
Or Oblivion.
Dreugh wax shrine trick in morrowind
Honestly I’d love to just sit with Vivec and talk about anything. Any conversation seems interesting with Vivec. And he’s good at telling stories
But if you don't interest him watch out
/her
Nah, he'd be fucking obnoxious. Never speaking in any way that made sense nor was direct. You'd get a better conversation that made more sense out of sheogorath.
Vivec represents duality and contradictory
@@nathanielgreco8851 Yep. Hir's both innocent and not innocent. Things hir says are both true and not true (depending), like if hir murdered Nerevar.
(Headcanon: after the Three murdered him, they created a new Timeline -- and deleted the original one -- where they really did have Divine origins (cue Vivec and Almalexia's origin stories in Dunmeri Folklore) and didn't have to murder their beloved Hortator, even though they originally did...)
A gr8 story-teller and heartwinner. Not one to be trusted completely.
But the same can go for literally any source of information in TES, because of the ever-present state of Unreliable Narrator it has in its lore. (Which, imo, makes it even more interesting.)
Lowkey dreugh the daedrologist (lol) has an degree in bards college, speechcraft must be legendary.
Theory 1)
There are 12 "parallel places". Each is one of the destroyed worlds who's parts were used to make Nirn.
Lyg is the one Nirn got its oceans from.
The dreghs are pretty interesting. If only we could see how a town full of intelligent non-hostile would be like. It would be a cool little miscellanious bit of content for the next game.
I agree.
I also agree.
I too, agree.
I am something of an agreer myself.
A shame any obscure lore is now lost in place of whatever bland new crap they intend to spoon feed us instead
The way you tell lore is so poetic it’s amazing compared to all the dumbed down lore videos everywhere ells seriously you guys should be proud of the quality of your content!
Last time I was this early, the Aeylids were still enslaving the nedes
For some reason as I glanced over the comments I read that as 'nerds' instead, which had me confused to say the least.
@@DarkDesperado25 imperials/alessian>revenge of the nerds
@@Shin_Akumi 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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This was an interesting vid to listen to.
Kinda makes me like dagon more as a character, as this paints him less as a "huge meanie that just wants to cause destruction" and more of a flawed creation "god" of hope and freedom.
I like this
I'd like to see these guys play one of the unofficial TES conversions for DND sometime
Just when I thought I had a broad overview of Elder Scrolls lore, you bring up Lyq. A place I have never heard of. :)
I know this’ll probably get buried under so many other comments but i have to say-
You’re such a great you-tuber. Your editing is perfect and your voice(s) are beautiful. I’ve been watching you since before i even had an accounts and you’ve always been a treat to watch.
Headcanon: Mehrunes Dagon is Auriel, and the Thalmor will eventually learn this and become a splinter race from the Altmer. Lyg is Nirn/Tamriel from the most previous Kalpa and Dagon ended that Kalpa by tearing down the towers of Lyg. During the remaking of the Orbis Dagon became Auriel, the beginning of Time, and a new Dagon was forged by the new Magna Ge
That's actually a pretty interesting idea
Extremely based and Mehrunes pilled
I’ve had this thought but that he is a fragment of him created during his fracturing, with auriel the beginning, akatosh the present, Alduin the end and mehrunes dagon the glue in between them all.
So good to see more ES content! You guys really brighten up my days, and I'm much more passionate about the fantasy genre than CERTAIN SCIENCE FICTION TITLES... Love you guys and keep up the amazing work.
This might sound weird but i put your vodeos on sometime an it helps me an my son fall to sleep lol we both are big fans of these games so all the detail an time you put into reserching lore is great thanks for keeping us ent with the great content
So Mehrunes Dagon actually did something good for once. That is surprising.
Well, destruction is only good or bad based on perspective, and this perspective comes from Dagon himself
Dagon was never "evil"
daedric princes are beyond good and evil. they just follow their insticts
Dagon literally just represents change, good or bad.
5:27 “But we can learn more from the warrior-poet and demigod of Morrowind, Vivec.”
Look, Drew. I’ve been watching this channel for many years. And you and I both know durn freaking well that asking Vivec about those lobsters will lead to hearing a lot and learning absolutely nothing.
You guys and Camel are the best loremasters of the elder scrolls imo. Another great video.
Buried in snow here this morning but fudgemuppet coming in like champions with a video to warm my soul. Thanks guys!
Really enjoying the “story by the fireplace” vibe
I've watching content from these guys for years and I love that they keep finding new content to cover.
It makes sense that a being from Oblivion is one of the few able to rip Towers down without destroying the stones.
This video got me wondering:
If Nirn was actually a trap for the Aedra why would they help to protect it?
Do they have something to win with it?
Do they have something to lose with it's destruction?
Or were never tricked in the first place and consent their powers to it's formation?
Theory 2)
Lyg is Lorkans realm of Oblivion. All of the events we hear about taking place in Lyg happened in the time just after the Convention, when Lyg was without Lorkan to rule it.
I love Jeremy Seoul's Compositions and Secunda is my favorite, sadly I use it to fall asleep, so somebody wake me up later and tell me what this video was all about. K, thanks bye. Zzz
it’s so funny how you can tell what lore was written by Michael Kirkbride and what wasn’t
I swear Kirkbride takes shrooms everytime he writes TES fanfics. Because that's what they are.
@@mattmark94 im pretty sure that he actually did take shit to write the lor e
This adds another perspective on Lorkan. The creation myths show him as a traitor, but it's really more mundane than that, isn't it? How many other failed realms are there? Were the other Original Spirits starting to grow weary of Lorkan's experiments? Was Lorkan pushed into this role? Was he bound? Was his plot to bind the Original Spirits an act of rebellion, selfishness, mischief, or desperation?
Or did he just get tired of writing TPS reports and working through his weekends?
I belive the different planes are actualy different planets.
And the different races of the Elderscroll universe each came from a different plane.
They will probably adress this in the next games...
No offense to Michael or Scott, but Drew has the best voice of the FudgeMuppet crew. Perfect sound for a narration of Elder Scrolls lore!
Of all the things I’ve learned in this video, the idea that Molag Bal of all the Daedra was once married was not one I would have expected given his... practices.
This is fueling my ESO hype for next years adventure that just so happens to be about mehrunes dagon..... Ohhhh I see what you did there 😎
Keep up the awsome work!
I really want to do a play through of Skyrim as a devout of Merunes Dagon, where the goal is to shift between the factions to collapse the oppressive forces as a terrorist, liberator and executor. Support the weak until they are strong, then tear them down in turn. It would be really interesting to build up groups like the Dark Brotherhood or the Blades then massacre them almost completely. Not fully dead but enough to bring them low. Chaos and freedom would be the only constants.
The “Elderverse” has just been created.
It’d be so cool if in the new elder scrolls game they introduced beings from an adjacent realm who come to invade nirn. It’d basically be aliens, but lore friendly. Similar portals to the oblivion portals would occur. But these portals would suck you in kinda like black holes. Like you’d literally be entering an alternative dimension.
What time period did the Khajiit story of Meridia helping Mehrunes happen!? If it was toward the Dawn, and we adopt the Khajiit perspective, we finally have a more clear explanation as to why Merid-Nunda was cast out “for consorting with elicit spectra (Daedra).” She got the boot for helping Mehrunes!
I love this channel. I don’t watch most videos when they come out. I like to save up a handful and binge them.
Fudgemuppet. Elder Scrolls. Audiobook. I'd listen to this in a heartbeat
The Scholars once again bring us all honor by teaching us The history of this diverse world, Fallen world's, fallen gods. The end of time? So many things to learn.......so little time.....
They really need to release ES6 so you guys will have new things to cover...
That being said i havent actually heard much about lyg thanks!!
I would love a side series of TES games where you play as a historian or an anthropologist or something and just track the lore of different races and whatnot and that leads you into adventure and stuff
The mortals of Tamriel are constantly fighting off these powerful daedric princes, and I think that goes a long way in showing just how powerful mortals can be.
@@23RaindI haven't played Battlespire, but from what I've read The Apprentice (the player character) actually defeated Dagon in combat
I feel there's a connection between the crustacean like appearance of the Dregg Hermaeus Mora's alternate appearance, and the Farmer's appearance/mental state and their affinity to the Charus.
I would pay for Drew to say some very specific things to me. *cough*
God, I just want to be loved 🤣
Great video yet again, guys ✅
Wow, this video was extremely interesting and well made/written!
I wish there was a game set in Lyg.
Thanks so much for the frequent uploads. This is my crack
We love you fudgemuppet! Love being able to relax and listen to ya do your thing man
So much history, so much we don’t know, so much we learn each day.
U mean unwritten....sometimes poorly
Vivec. A living God and TES' one and only Gonzo historian.
I could listen to this man for hours he has such a nice voice
Everyone, mortal or deadra, exists in all of time and space simultaneously. Including before and after death, even in all realms. The only real distinction between mortals and deadra, is that we don't PERCIEVE it all. We only know and have power over small points of space for small amounts of time using fleshy constructs shaped by our wills. The Deadric Princes on the other hand have vastly greater wills, and are thus more powerful and fully aware of everything they ever have and ever will do at once. In this way we can see that both Men and Mer are right about their interpretation of Lorkhan. He did in fact trick our previous selves into taking on much weaker forms, but in doing so we can much more truly appreciate reality. As the saying goes "You never appreciate what you have until it's gone."
I do think the Dreugh's used to be more intelligent beings.
The Aedra shaped Nirn, but all life on Nirn was originally also "divine", but they lost much of their power and started wandering Nirn.
All Animals likely have a link to the Aedra too, and were either once Aedra, or were spawned from them in a different way.
Like all monsters, (well, most of them) that likely spawned after Wood Elves became them via "the wild hunt".
For whatever unknown reason, much like the Giants of Skyrim, who are believed to have once been Ancient Nords.
Or the Falmer for that matter.
Dreugh's must have "devolved" or otherwise have been cursed, or reduced to their current state, being much more akin to animals.So much in fact that even their souls are no longer as big and strong that they require black soul gems to capture them.
Would be nice to see some videos of the big mods that add a big story to the game and how well it fits in established lore, like Moon & Star, Midwood Isle, Wyrmstooth, Falskaar and Maids Deception. And many others, could even be a complete new video series. Elder Scrolls Unofficial stories& history.
The Tribunal bless us with another great video. Let us give thanks 🙏
Hail the Tribunal! 🙌
@@23Raind The Tribunal of Knowledge are far from dead......they produce new content almost daily. Praise Be to Scott, Drew, And Michael the Tribunal of Knowledge 🙌
@@23Raind they know the secrets of eternity......they may never die, they have ascended even further than Talos even further than Any Deadra Or Divine.
I wanna hear more about vivec being married.
Do you? Consider carefully.
You really dont
Very convincing argument toward Merunes Dagon worship imo
Lyg, but first, we need to talk about parallel places.
So, what if each of the “towers” is holding back a parallel planes/realms? And the white gold tower is associated with Lyg/Lig? I know the whole ‘towers upholding the mortal world’ thing, but fun to ponder!
Bethesda should hire you guys the way ye go into elder scrolls lore Is actually unreal ye make a fictional universe sound so real
Please, I beg of you.. Don't stop, continue; we need you! 💞
Dagon sounds like a chill guy
5 stars fudge 🙏
“Get to da KALPA!”
-Lorkhan, or something, I dunno 🤷🏻♂️ He’s been dead and dreaming for a while.
Honestly, really gave me a different look at Mehrunes. I've always seen him as a tyrant of revolution, and as such, evil. But i suppose it makes sense that he isn't inherently evil, hes only doing what he was made to do. Liberate. Free oppressed souls, wherever they be. Whether that be Tamriel or Lyg or any plane of Oblivion.
Great video! Thanks for uploading!
Creating a world is about separating the IS from IS NOT, and so by definition is an exercise in creating limitations. Trouble is, some people don't like limitations.
Maybe one day Ma Barls will be able to save Lyg. And become its new god ruler and then the beings living there will be all under Lyg Ma Barls rule.
My guess? Lyg was broken by Mehrunes Dagon as described here, but possibly along with other worlds of Lorkhan's creation which then got smushed together into the almalgam it is today in attempt to save it all -- Mundus. We see similar change and degradation in the races afterward with the Ehlnofey shifting into mer and men, and we know that Black Marsh (and the Hist) itself was part of another world incorporated into Mundus when the worlds of creation were damaged beyond saving. In this way, Lyg would be a part of Mundus, not parallel but definitely part of a previous kalpa. And... well? Definitely adjacent like what was described by Kirkbride. Directly adjacent and all melding together...
You have a great story telling voice, friend.
Does fudgemuppet have a podcast? If not he should start one
They have one where Drew, Scott and the other guy talk about different lore points. Don't know what's called thought but it's on their UA-cam channel.
So...
Dagon is Young compared to the other Daedra?
Well, at least Younger than Molag!
Bru I have know idea what’s goin on but I can’t stop watchin
Mehrunes Dagon is one of the more interesting princes, in my opinion.
Mine is Hircine
This just makes me want to play oblivion again
I love the idea of "slave oceans" ruled over by the Dreugh, and border wars fought between them. Maybe you guys can do a video on the slave oceans of the Dreugh!!
Did Dagon end the previous Kalpa by destroying the Towers of Lyg? If so, I wonder if that played a part in Alduin's betrayal - "Meh, the Daedra ended the last cycle, they can handle one more without me. Think I'll just take a vacation in this cold, snowy place with lots of convenient places to perch."
. . . And given how the Oblivion Crisis played out, Alduin was almost right.
Thanks for the Skyrim videos I’m happy to enjoy this content
Fun to think that maybe Meridia was one of the Magna Ge that created Dagon.
Magna ge 🤣
Assuming Dagon wasn't lying about his origins.
@@23Raind Could be, though Dagon has always struck me as a creature that would be even more flamboyant with his origins if he could choose.
@@23Raind To be fair, Paradise was Cameron's creation so I would say it is his lie as well. By the end Dagon is a dick but honestly I take his word over many other daedra. Could Lyg be bollocks and Dagons creation too? Yes, but it is a possibility until proven false.
The thing I wonder is why the book is named after Xarxes. What has he to do with it?
@@23Raind Be honest: knowing the daedric princes, many actually look greatly upon daedra born as daedra. Being created by the magne ge doesn't seem like something he'd lie about. Why not make it something along the lines of a fallen and disgraced god like Akatosh or the others?? It doesn't make sense for him to lie, imo.
I honestly just want to see a time lapsed animation of the creation myth of Nirn as well as the races coming into being but that seems impossible
Can yall explain the lore of the mod, Vigilant? I'm having trouble placing it in the lore/ unsure if its meant to even follow the lore. The characters seem to but I don't understand why they are in coldharbour etcetera.
I've always wondered what the deal was with this since I can hardly find anything online about lyg
Thought this was gonna be a lyg-ma balls joke
Upvote for using sapient instead mistakenly using sentient like so many do.
YES
It will always be sentient to me. You never saw sapient until about 15-20 years ago. Not changing.
Hell yeah, exactly what I was waiting for!