Rakdos Lord of Riots vs Edric, Negan, Chandra

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  • Опубліковано 5 лис 2024

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  • @kingginger3335
    @kingginger3335 6 місяців тому +6

    I love seeing randomly old commanders making an appearance! We've had such an overload of new products and commanders. It's nice seeing older ones getting a chance.

  • @emerson685
    @emerson685 6 місяців тому +8

    The Negan player scooping to having his thing stolen… that’s like the most Negan-player thing. It’s always the people playing the salt-inducing commanders that get the saltiest 😂

  • @justinshaddix2775
    @justinshaddix2775 5 місяців тому

    Nostalgic deck indeed. I remember facing Rakdos a decade or so ago. Fun game!

  • @penguinwarcry
    @penguinwarcry 6 місяців тому +3

    Started really playing magic in Return to Ravnica, Rakdos Lord of Riots is one of my favorite cards ever. He's just outclassed now, would really love a classic commander game type, let all these oldies shine.

    • @CommanderReplay
      @CommanderReplay  6 місяців тому +2

      Yeah for sure, I was really feeling that in the 4 game set that I filmed. It was rough going... I think in 4 games I cast one or 2 creatures using Rakdos cost reduction ability. But yeah I definitely vibe with a classic style of commander. What I personally think would be interesting Is building the old commanders with lets say Cards printed before 2018, but the with the modern knowledge of how to build decks efficiently. It would be really interesting to see how people solve ramp and draw issues in the colors that dont do those things well.

    • @penguinwarcry
      @penguinwarcry 6 місяців тому +1

      @@CommanderReplay I'd come back to commander if that type of format came out. Way to much power creep for me over the past few years.

    • @CommanderReplay
      @CommanderReplay  6 місяців тому

      @@penguinwarcry Yeah, im also at the point where I think we've gone too far. If the cut things off like 2-3 years ago I think everything was in a decent spot where basically anything could be built powerful but there was still some variance. Now decks are fast and super consistent. Sort of takes the joy out of a singleton format.

    • @Zenondikar
      @Zenondikar 5 місяців тому

      ​@@CommanderReplay I'd personally make the cut a little earlier. Excluding everything from original partners (Atraxa) onwards.

    • @CommanderReplay
      @CommanderReplay  5 місяців тому

      @@Zenondikar yeah im not opposed to that. My unpopular opinion is that C16 ruined the game. Prior to C16 color and commander choice was important. With 4 and 5 color decks, color is no longer important, which was one of the defining features of the format.

  • @jacobjensen7704
    @jacobjensen7704 5 місяців тому

    This is really interesting because I was playing against a Rakdos deck the other day and the deck still felt just as good as it was forever ago. The deck was threatening and hung with all the other decks at the table.

  • @DracoMagna
    @DracoMagna 6 місяців тому +2

    Seems like the commander has been eclipsed by Rowan scion of war, as a rakdos commander that chats mana on your spells.

  • @rosspenney5158
    @rosspenney5158 6 місяців тому +1

    A great way to see the evolution of legendary creature design over the last ten years is to compare Rakdos to Rowan, Scion of War. Their abilities aren't 1 for 1 comparable, but dawn does Rowan make him look like a grandpa.

  • @brendanfutureman7150
    @brendanfutureman7150 6 місяців тому +1

    Situations like these where you need a combination different things that you can put redundantly in the deck are just the right place for cheap card selection. I reckon the deck wants to cut a bit of it's top end for a package of 2cmc red looting/black reanimation, and also a couple of global haste enablers 🤔

  • @sloanmurray6799
    @sloanmurray6799 6 місяців тому

    Yeah, I think Rakdos LoR has fallen into the "fun" trap where you freecast Eldrazi off of a nice Price of Progress or something. While that's cool AF to do and all (I had a similar deck once that did this), it's kind of christmas land to think you're always going to have both Rakdos, a damage dealer, and a hand full of eldrazi to combo off on. I do think that the truly optimal way to play it is just a passive mana discount for some mid-range creatures rather than all 8-12 drops. Still not great, which is why I took it apart, but it's a lot more manageable than the clockwork assembly of a Rakdos Eldrazi build.

  • @dmany13
    @dmany13 6 місяців тому +1

    Draw 2s are important to help smooth out early game draws. Get to your lands a bit faster. While higher mv burst gets stuck in hand sometimes.
    Rakdos still fine. Just need to build the deck better.

    • @markvandergiessen3158
      @markvandergiessen3158 6 місяців тому

      Deck needs some work, there were some misplays, but Rakdos LOR will never be consistent :( I love him, but it's rough in an optimized environment. Rowan and Prosper will stomp the LOR these days.

    • @dmany13
      @dmany13 6 місяців тому +1

      @@markvandergiessen3158 this deck looks like it's lacking in key areas. In an optimized world. You need your key things to make even the weakest things work well. I only counted 8 ramp. Not nearly enough needs to be at least 12-14. Their cars advantage was not nearly high enough either. Needs like 2.kore.pieces
      And then there's the removal package. It was serviable but could be customized better and maybe adding 1 or 2 more pieces would suffice.
      Once.you have those categories settled your deck can handle most.decks while still being g able to do your thing

  • @darylwren501
    @darylwren501 6 місяців тому

    Saw a cool Protection Racket Eldrazi Rakdos build a while back, think that was Muddstah’s channel

    • @markvandergiessen3158
      @markvandergiessen3158 6 місяців тому

      Protection racket, sin prodder, and hidetsugu devouring chaos go brrrr.

  • @markvandergiessen3158
    @markvandergiessen3158 6 місяців тому

    Rakdos LOR IS inconsistent for sure. But, I think there's also some decklist issues and plays that happened. Some rambling from my limited experience...
    - You were already struggling from the beginning, keeping an opening hand without a pinger to get Rakdos out. Deck should run 10-15 cheap and reliable ways to do damage and get Rakdos out, and you don't leave home without one in your opening hand.
    - Then...expedition map should absolutely get Urborg so you can manafix.
    - Night's whisper is 'fine' for Rakdos LOR. Gives some cheap consistency in early hands. Probably better would be a creature that helps draw, as it could benefit from the LOR discount. Disciple of Bolas?
    - Razaketh is wincon, create a sacrifice loop to get whatever you need to win. In the eldrazi route any of the eldrazi that get shuffled back into the deck are infinite loops. Razaketh, search eldrazi, sac, repeat for infinite draw or removal.
    - Quicksilver amulet probably isn't good enough for the deck. Too slow.
    - Magus of the wheel probably also too slow for the deck. Should have been a wheel of fortune or something like sandstone oracle, or knollspine dragon.
    - Deck definitely needs flame rift. Free eldrazi for 2 mana. Torment of hailfire also solid. Dump all your mana into that for massive damage and discard, then drop your eldrazi for free.
    - Mana geyser and thran dynamo seem fine, though I think I'd have gone for some reanimation instead.
    - Necropotence swap for moonlight bargain is interesting. I think the main deal is you need to recover your hand after emptying for a big turn. Other ways of doing that include Knollspine dragon and sandstone oracle. Otherwise I agree...necropotence is not as good here as you might expect. Especially with Villis who'd also be demanding life. I've gone around this using Gary, tutored up by razaketh, and then sacced again for whatever.
    - Vicious conquistador is an odd card to enable rakdos. Not evasive enough for my liking. Better to have an upkeep pinger, tap to damage all opponents, or something cheap that has menace, shadow, or flying. Would have also probably NOT played him...keep in hand for when there's a boardwipe so you can have enabler ready to go and get LOR out again. This is what indeed happened to you.
    - Cabal coffers...another questionable include in this deck. Works out fine here, but a total dud in the first 4 turns when you desperately need to get BBRR.
    - Rakdos LOR needs all the footwear, deflecting swat, some reanimation helps. He will still not stick around long, so when you do, it has to be explosive. Haste can also help, provided you have enough ways to do damage pre combat.
    - One way to alleviate the need for 'blend' that you talk about, is going multi-purpose. For instance, dauthi voidwalker can enable AND control. Professional face-breaker can enable early game, and later still ramp or draw. There's also a host of X costed creatures that do fine early game and get real explosive later. Shivan devastator for example. I do not run the Eldrazi version, and then it is also helpful to keep colourless costs to 7 or less. One enabler plus Rakdos swing = any creature in your deck.
    - One way to not wait that whole turn cycle....haste. Especially on creatures such as herald of slaanesh, urabrask the hidden, along with the boots. Then, every creature needs to have a good ETB or something immediate.
    - Another way to struggle less, is to lean harder into the combos. Ancestral statue can kill the table out of nowhere with nettle drone or a terror of the peaks for example. Heartless hidetsugu (or any other half life effect) with archfiend of despair or bloodletter. I've had most success with Razaketh searching up a wormcoil engine. I believe razaketh tutoring up one of the eldrazi that shuffle into your deck are just instant-wins. Numerous other possible lines there.
    - Alternatively, leaning more into control. I've been having some success dropping Myojin of Night's Reach for 3 black. If it lands, you're likely going to win. Same with sire of insanity. Perhaps you're right and Eldrazi are not the way to go anymore. I know I stopped doing that.
    - Or, again, need to lean into the eldrazi harder. Run flame rift and torment of hailfire, they'll essentially make the eldrazi free with LOR on the field. In this deck you don't 'ramp' in the traditional way. You 'ramp' to get coloured mana...and then you deal direct damage for non-coloured mana. Having colourless ramp just feels bad most of the time, because that's what LOR already provides in the command zone. I make an exception in my deck for sol ring and mana vault, mostly to be able to throw out stuff faster when Rakdos is not on the field, or to pay commander tax. But..those are questionable includes.
    My deck: www.archidekt.com/decks/7436724/rakdos_lord_of_controlled_burns

  • @lilkyafroninja4671
    @lilkyafroninja4671 6 місяців тому

    Need a gonti gameplay , also what do you think about the new equipment I. The prenon

  • @literNL
    @literNL 6 місяців тому

    For your final turn, with that much mana and redraws (wheel + scroll rack), doing it pre-combat would probably have saved you at least 1 planeswalker ultimate. Sneak attack + sheoldred with swampwalk (beacuse of Urborg) goes a long way.

  • @lanetyson9208
    @lanetyson9208 5 місяців тому

    I would run just the two shuffle titans then put in more reanimation and damage dealers for rakdos like creeping blood sucker and maybe some life gain effects. Like you said I think it’s just the list you’re running

  • @unovaangst9262
    @unovaangst9262 6 місяців тому

    I think a build with a bunch of card draw and medium or small creatures would be OK… you can hit early with small hasty creatures like Ragavan and robber of the rich, then use card draw spells to draw and play more medium creatures? Stuff like shriekmaw can be the removal?

  • @MstrKipper
    @MstrKipper 6 місяців тому +1

    Just ended up taking apart my list, too many staple reanimator targets and Eldrazi that could go in a different deck.
    I feel like the most powerful list would be close to Andestral Statue tribal where you just try to combo kill as fast as possible, not certain though

    • @MstrKipper
      @MstrKipper 6 місяців тому +1

      Ancestral Statue is the best card in the deck though it is definitely wrong not to run it

    • @markvandergiessen3158
      @markvandergiessen3158 6 місяців тому

      @@MstrKipper Ancestral statue should definitely be in. Even without the infinite combo, getting recurring value out of your ETBs that you play for basically free is solid anyway.

  • @alonsoobannon8229
    @alonsoobannon8229 6 місяців тому

    I love rakdos he was the first deck i built. I play him with eldrazi and artifact creatures and i have a pet combo with razaketh, warstorm surge, and enough power in the deck to blast everyone to death😂

    • @markvandergiessen3158
      @markvandergiessen3158 6 місяців тому +1

      Swap warstorm surge with terror of the peaks if you don't have that. Same outcome, but for 2 red with Rakdos LOR out.

  • @marceloquejinho
    @marceloquejinho 6 місяців тому

    "Is Rakdos still good in EDH?"
    22 minutes video
    Well, or he is or he is not 😂😂😂
    Back in the day I made my Rakdos deck with a bunch of pingers and deathtouch enablers. The ideia is, you use the pingers more as mana dorks with Rakdos, and in the late game you give them deathtouch so they become removal.
    Also be sure to include a lot of big monsters with trample, because they become nasty with deathtouch!
    Unfortunately I had to pass the deck along to pay for some debts. My friend and new owner added a bunch of infect to the deck. It is counterintuitive as Rakdos needs people losing life, but he enjoys it.

  • @taylorsweet99
    @taylorsweet99 6 місяців тому +1

    Ya I don’t know why my boy didn’t preform for you. I’ve played it at many a game night and at the game store and it pops off a lot.

  • @caseyspark2019
    @caseyspark2019 6 місяців тому

    I was curious and I checked I have 5 decks and all 2022 or younger...Makes me kinda sad. Maybe I'll look at some older commanders and see if they hang!

  • @rara2ra2yrra3racjj2
    @rara2ra2yrra3racjj2 6 місяців тому +5

    It's the decklist, not the commander. I'm sorry xD

    • @CommanderReplay
      @CommanderReplay  6 місяців тому +4

      Based on what I experienced in 4 games, I do think that its more than just tuning up the decklist. If you look at the final turn we had with the coffers and mana geyser mana into the wheel....if I did that same thing with any other aggressive commmander it probably wins the game or assumes control of the table. I just think that this deck has so many points of interaction, and most things happen in a way where opponents can respond at sorcery speed i think that even the most cranked up version of this deck is gonna be a rough go. IMO.

    • @alonsoobannon8229
      @alonsoobannon8229 6 місяців тому +2

      @@CommanderReplayI agree that its not the most powerful commander but ive found a lot of success just running a lot of ramp and slamming threats like wormcoil and steel hellkite and if rakdos comes out epic but he’s my removal check also a lot of the drain/pingers are not efficient. Also my deck suffers from a lack of removal i rely on sarkhans unsealing and warstorm surge/terror of the peaks.

    • @rara2ra2yrra3racjj2
      @rara2ra2yrra3racjj2 6 місяців тому +2

      @@CommanderReplay I see your point, it isn't the strongest commander ever. However, I think that this deck lacks consistency in multiple different ways, those being the fact that the commander is a required piece, rather than a piece that augments the self-functioning plan, as well as the consistent card draw. Eldrazi are only castable if you untap with Rakdos, and that's not the place we wanna be.
      Another consequence of too much reliance on Rakdos is the fact that we're running a bunch of pingers just to enable him to be cast, and these cards are terrible in general, and make the deck pretty bad even when it works as intended. So, I would lean more into the aggro plan, with most big creatures being those colored 6 and 7 drops, like you suggested, which are castable without Rakdos and still do a lot of work. I wouldn't mind seeing X costed creatures either, especially Maga, Traitor to Mortals, which is pretty fun :D
      The last switch-up I'd make is more haste, and extra combat steps, to really make use of Rakdos's ability, as well as to just expedite the base gameplan regardless of Rakdos.

    • @markvandergiessen3158
      @markvandergiessen3158 6 місяців тому +1

      @@rara2ra2yrra3racjj2 Agreed, Rakdos is the weakest link in his own deck. There are ways around this though, including Sneak Attack, and similar 'commanders' in the 99 like Neheb, the eternal. A reanimation suite also certainly doesn't hurt and works well with sneak attack, sacrifice effects, and as protection.
      I made a post just now...agreeing about the pingers. There are much better alternatives though to get reliable damage in and do MORE. Dauthi Voidwalker probably being the best. And yes, X creatures are also very very good, as long as they do more than just being big. Shivan devastator, orcus, prince of undeath, walking ballista, maybe even stonecoil serpent. Also agree on the haste, especially with boots. I've won some games by slapping the boots on Heartless hidetsugu and turning him sideways with bloodletter of aclazots on the field. You may think this is janky...but it really isn't as much when it is one of many wincon lines, you have 4 tutors, and you have 4 haste enablers and 3 damage doublers.
      None of this takes away from your main observation. Yes, Rakdos LOR is inconsistent due to all the moving pieces and certainly not cEDH viable (I think).

    • @rara2ra2yrra3racjj2
      @rara2ra2yrra3racjj2 6 місяців тому +1

      @@markvandergiessen3158 This is a great comment :D

  • @everettstatz1682
    @everettstatz1682 6 місяців тому

    Yeah, the way commander is evolving its become much more fast pace than what it was 10 years ago. Cards like the Rakdos you played, while still good. Just isn't quite as good as what's avaliable these days.

  • @Npocommander
    @Npocommander 6 місяців тому

    I scooped cause I was gonna hit the walkers with my flyers and with him stealing my rakdos, it would be summoning sick, so I knew it was over

  • @Npocommander
    @Npocommander 6 місяців тому +1

    OMG that's my negan deck I'm ian1758

    • @literNL
      @literNL 6 місяців тому +2

      Well, if it's really you, then you've got some balls admitting it because that early scoop was a prime example of why the EDH-lobby on MTGO is such a cesspit.

    • @Npocommander
      @Npocommander 6 місяців тому +1

      @@literNL well if edric player didn't steal my Planeswalker answer I would have kept playing , but he did I couldn't stop the ultimates game was over at that point

    • @Npocommander
      @Npocommander 6 місяців тому +1

      @@literNL and if players on mtgo would actually talk threat assessment and negotiation on mtgo maybe there would be less rage quits cause commander is about the politics too

    • @djfranics4544
      @djfranics4544 6 місяців тому

      Cry more