The Doepfer A-110-6 Trapezoid Thru-Zero VCO is an absolute monster of an oscillator, can whole-heartedly suggest it for anyone wanting to have a play with this kind of thing in euro.
I keep wondering whether it's Pigments or VCV Rack that can get me closest to the results Jeremy achieved in his legendary self-playing Hydra pt2 arpeggio video (the jaw-dropping patch at the end). If I know which of the 2 I should focus on I can throw myself into that. Any thoughts welcome.
So awesome that you highlight the Pony a little bit. I liked the module so much I have two now, and NOW that you demonstrated some great through zero FM I need to go patch this up. This stuff sounds amazing!
It would be really nice if VCV rack had a feature where it could look for and download all the modules a savefile uses so you dont have to maunally find all the modules
Do I need only Thru-Zero at the modulator side, or also at the carrier side? I have only space for the Befaco Pony beside my Make-Noise DPO, which is not a Thru-Zero-OSC.
You can also use WMD C4RBN Filter for giving salaciously salty examples of hard FM sounds but you must utilize the actual Module. No softy vcv stuff. Does the C4RBN Filter do TZFM, not sure ...Give it a try.💡🤖🤙🏽🎛🎶💥
You missed listing most of the prominent thru-zero oscillators, but people can do their own research. I’ve watched it go from rare to common in Eurorack oscillator designs.
oh would you look at that. I was just going to look for some ideas of what to patch up, and there's a notification for this video just waiting for me. Sweet.
Great video and I've gotta experiment more with varying envelopes like you've shown here. I've been enjoying TZFM with ALM's Tazm-O. It's got a smooth wave shaping output to give even more timbre change over time :)
Thx for video but I'm new to this so don't really get it. What about using the Sync on Pony to sync with the other oscillator? Wouldn't that also make the FM more musical? You don't sync the oscillators when using Through-Zero FM? I'm so confused....
To add to this, in most of this video, the same pitch information is being sent to both vcos and for tzfm it sounds quite sweet, when you fix the pitch of the modular it sounds a little bit wilder (but you can still make out the tune). If you sync the vcos, then they have the same pitch but they won’t be sin waves anymore, so it will be subtly different.
Hey that's my TZFM video graphic at 1:24 :D. I am honored to see that it's found its way into one of your videos by way of a patchwerks post.
Cheers. Can I put a link for your stuff or post or something in the video description?
Just what I needed. Another reason to buy modular gear! 😉
Thanks for everything you do!
The Doepfer A-110-6 Trapezoid Thru-Zero VCO is an absolute monster of an oscillator, can whole-heartedly suggest it for anyone wanting to have a play with this kind of thing in euro.
Pigments is the software version of the hydrasyth🤘I love both but the hydrasynth is amazing for this!
I keep wondering whether it's Pigments or VCV Rack that can get me closest to the results Jeremy achieved in his legendary self-playing Hydra pt2 arpeggio video (the jaw-dropping patch at the end).
If I know which of the 2 I should focus on I can throw myself into that. Any thoughts welcome.
A long-winded explanation. Save yourself the time and read the first four paragraphs of the patchwerks article.
whoooooo my track in the background "Polymetric Juggling" for anyone curious. Thanks!
:)
Alternate title: Let's Learn Eurorack (ft. VCV Rack): - Wacky Wodulation
So awesome that you highlight the Pony a little bit. I liked the module so much I have two now, and NOW that you demonstrated some great through zero FM I need to go patch this up. This stuff sounds amazing!
Love my pair of Dannysound EN129’s. Really great (and diy if you’re into that). Nice video and great explanation.
The 11th commandment G*d gave to Moses: Thou shalt Put a Donk on it
Its FM, but more dope.
It's true
Cool video! I love my Frap tools Brenso. TZFM complex oscillator powerhouse and all the sorts of timber you could ever want
Ratio + envelope + fine tune
Pony is a lovely little thing (need to get some of those) but the non sine examples at the end were great.
So happy someone finally made a video about this, thanks Jeremey~
Really want to get TZFM oscillator but do I need a 4th oscillator, my mind says yes, wallet is saying maybe
I'm getting Aphex Twin vibes with this technique. nice one!
It would be really nice if VCV rack had a feature where it could look for and download all the modules a savefile uses so you dont have to maunally find all the modules
I absolutely agree
Ooooh, getting into donk territory! Took a little vacation there a couple weeks ago. Very hospitable folks around those parts.
11:36 some really cool begginings of a mad sounding bass i think
Do I need only Thru-Zero at the modulator side, or also at the carrier side? I have only space for the Befaco Pony beside my Make-Noise DPO, which is not a Thru-Zero-OSC.
You had me at "this is going to be a little bit of a nerdy video".
Terrific, Zany, Faboulous Me
🎉❤🎉
Just going to throw out the suggestion of using Count Modula's scope. It's a really nice 4 trace, with larger display than the stock one.
You can also use WMD C4RBN Filter for giving salaciously salty examples of hard FM sounds but you must utilize the actual Module. No softy vcv stuff. Does the C4RBN Filter do TZFM,
not sure ...Give it a try.💡🤖🤙🏽🎛🎶💥
You missed listing most of the prominent thru-zero oscillators, but people can do their own research. I’ve watched it go from rare to common in Eurorack oscillator designs.
Did you need to use different kind of VCO for through-zero or was it just without reason?
You need a vco that has tzfm
YESS i needed this thank you mr. recording
Nerd me
Thanks for sharing your patches!
FM is such good strange.
Around before 16:00 is where I heard a wave.
What do you think about Moog being bought out?
not a fan
Would very much enjoy watching the whole playtime you had with this patch! Do you live stream?
Not much sorry :(
oh would you look at that. I was just going to look for some ideas of what to patch up, and there's a notification for this video just waiting for me. Sweet.
Those submarine blanks are throwing me off though. What kind of a lunatic uses blanks in VCV? lol
Also, using mults in VCV. (I realise that's useful to show how you'd do it in hardware.)
Me
The little sequence switching between the 2 types of FM could use a little bit of drum accompaniment
It was very important I didn't add any other sound to complicate the ability to hear the differences in the sounds
@Red Means Recording that makes a lot of sense. Still has me half expecting a beat to some in at any point.
Great video and I've gotta experiment more with varying envelopes like you've shown here. I've been enjoying TZFM with ALM's Tazm-O. It's got a smooth wave shaping output to give even more timbre change over time :)
Loved this deep dive and comparison!!! Thank you!
It’s really hard to track where your cursor is and I’m on an iPad Pro 12 inch
Sorry
The Thru-zero FM on the Intellijel Rubicon is magical. Very musical and beautiful
Thx for video but I'm new to this so don't really get it. What about using the Sync on Pony to sync with the other oscillator? Wouldn't that also make the FM more musical? You don't sync the oscillators when using Through-Zero FM? I'm so confused....
Sync and FM are different. Sync resets the start of one oscillator based on the frequency of another.
To add to this, in most of this video, the same pitch information is being sent to both vcos and for tzfm it sounds quite sweet, when you fix the pitch of the modular it sounds a little bit wilder (but you can still make out the tune). If you sync the vcos, then they have the same pitch but they won’t be sin waves anymore, so it will be subtly different.
Mindphaser and Pizza are great FM oscilators as well!
Pizza doesn't do tzfm afaik