His initial obsession with strictly following the rules even if it meant his adoptive sister being executed was his dark defining trait, luckily he moderated that with Ichigo defeating him and Aizen's ruse being exposed. Like that he both saved Rukia's life from then on while also turning a blind eye to his subordinates bending the rules to do what's right. The fact that he married a commoner from the worst area of the Rukon meant he wasn't above it all.
Also liked that he showed a tremendous amount of restraint alongside Yoruichi and Soifon while Tokinada relentlessly mocked him for marrying Hisana in CFYOW. No surprise coming from an utterly unhinged psychopath like Tokinada. Byakuya and the others are undoubtedly better and even more innocent than him, including Soifon.....
I never compered Dangai Ichigo with a fullbring Ichigo since it was pretty obvious to me that Dangai is Heavens above fullbring and the statements Ginjo and Tsukishima were making was more in the spirit "ah yes I can see your shinigami powers are returning to you, if this goes on you will get back to the point you were before you lost them" so that was always my take on it. And the thing Tsukishima was talking about to Byakuya about him not being able to hurt him or not being able to use any of his technics my interpretation of that was Tsukishima inserting himself into Byakuya past/memories andknowing how his techniques and abilities works so he is better prepared to guard against them and the part about not being able to attack him was after he cut Byakuya directly so he probably inserted himself as the most important person in Byakuyas life and then was monologuing how he wont be able to hurt him coz of that. After that Byakuya of course was like no matter if you are my father, daughter, wife or sister if you are Ichigos Kurosakis enemy I will kill you without hesitation. What was very nice call back to how much respect Ichigo earned from him in the span of the series.
Exaxtly Aizen literally says he trancsends all shinigami and hollows and those shinigami would include Bankai Yama meaning 4th fusion aizen>bankai yama at this point keep in mind Dangai ichigo was BULLYNG that aizen and even when aizen went into his monster form and surpassed 4th fusion the same fusion that surpasses yama and all the other shinigami. And yet dangai ichigo stills bullies that aizen and goes mugetsu and aizen is like "😭😡" so it goes to show dangai ichigo IS LIGHT years ahead of fullbring ichigo.
@@ByakuyaLaughs Not directly but they implied it. I might be wrong about that, last time I watched it was when it was new but they did some weird scaling to get Ulquiorra as strong as possible.
classes for Captians: Low (normal amount of SP to be CONSIDERED of Captian rank usually consisting of Vice Captian who have learned their Bankai.Example: ikkaku & Renji ARANKAR arc) Mid ( Lower SP Captian who either don't have good showings in the series or just are weaker to other Captains. Soi Fon, Komamura) HIgh ( better showings Toshiro, Kenpachi, Byakuya) GOD: Genryusai
Im pretty sure the "peerless" statement could be read as "the best of his generation" or something. I doubt Renji was intimitately familiar with strength levels of all the captains at that point anyway.
Toshiro was only able to freeze Gerard completely after his head was destroyed. If you pay attention to the sound panel, you will notice that there is no sound of ice during Byakuya's senkei attack. The sound of ice only appeared when Gerard grabbed toshiro but he broke out. The second sound of ice in the panel appeared only after gerard's head was destroyed.
Base Mask De Maskuline was not soloing captains. He was losing to three assistant captains, shuhei, ikkaku and yumichika. He had to get a superstar buff to beat them
@@otislloyd-zollinger2579 .. that's how his power works? And the vice captains were all getting destroyed idk what ur talking about. Renji was arguably the strongest vice captain before the training and he got one shot by base mask de masculine.
@@MrShadow1995. base mask would have been mask without any cheer amps. Hisgai says don't let him cheer, so that implies hisagi saw him cheer, so base mask < hisagi, ikkaku, and yumichika
Fullbring Ichigo maybe another 5 - 10 times buff from Dual Striped Mask Bankai Ichigo. Mainly because Ichigo gets the completed Fullbring amp, the reiatsu amp and on top of that, the mask buff fuses with his Fullbring. But stronger than dangai feels kind of weird to me. Though I do think that if you look at feats alone, seperate from narrative, Fullbring Bankai Ichigo is stronger than Dangai. Just releasing his bankai was enough to vaporize at bare minimum all of Karakura Town. The dimension was most likely larger but we have a base line.
"The Dangai form is Ichigo after a training arc." That's such a naive thing to say, did you not get the whole message that was implied in that part of the story? Shinigami's patch getting destroyed (symbolizing that the seal of ichigo's powers has been broken), Isshin realizes that Ichigo's powers are coming to light (he can feel Aizen transcended) and therefore teaches him the Final getsuga tenshou, Tensa Zangetsu (young Yhwach) merges with full hollow ichigo and THEN stabs ichigo, transferring all his powers to him like Rukia did at the beginning of the Story. It's literally the most obvious symbolism in the entire show: Believe it or not, Dangai ichigo is literally EoS Ichigo (Full hollow+Quincy) uncontrolled. Obviously his powers are fused and therefore he can't use them properly, but it's much more than just a 3 month training. It's even more obvious when ichigo completes his training with Nimaiya and he says "I am now one with Zangetsu" which is literally the definition of Dangai Ichigo.
Yhwach also states that Ichigo regained the power he used against agaisnt Aizen. Meaning just his EOS Shikai is more or less comparable power wise to Dangai Ichigo.
@@corruptangel6793 Well, that's an interpretation, I was talking more about the source of the powers than the magnitude itself. I wanted to show that the idea that "Dangai ichigo is just ichigo +3 months of training" shows that you didn't understand anything symbolized in that part of the series. But yes, Yhwach confirming that they are "the same power" only reconfirms what is implied before, although the immediate power conclusions made on this basis seem questionable to me.
I do agree that dangi should be above Fullbring but where it gets complicated for me is fullbring Ichigo has better direct feats than dangai. Dangai tanked a mountain level explosion which damaged him. Fullbring vaporized, at bare minimum, all of Karakura Town.
i kind of wanna asked why hes not in the 5 special powers. Can use kido, can do battle tactically,all around character. and ofc OP bankai. Ikka senjinka can kill everyone except with higher reiatsu oe any immortal chars in bleach. People ignore that move.
@@footy743 Doesn't matter if he's stronger. He still aint winning. Yammy is dumb an doesn't know how to sense spiritual pressure properly or apply to make his body harder and faster. Being stronger doesn't equate to winning a fight especially in bleach
That make's no sense narratively, Yammamoto is literally stated to have gotten weaker between arcs by Juha because of him refusing to get his arm healed and Haschwalth was still shocked by bankai Yamma's power and then proceeded to one shot Ichigo's bankai sword in half. On the other hand Aizen has already been stated to surpass both the realm of shinigami and hollow by the time he entered his crysilis state and continued to evolve 4 more times before he was even relative to dangai Ichigo.
1)Yammy`s pesquisa usage was shit. 2)Ichigo coudlnt use his mask properly, had pshyilogical/mental nerfs and half his shukakshuo was ripped. But yeah even if Yammy was only nr2 its still very impressive for byakuya.
no ganju was literally an ant to Byakuya. he absolutely did not "throw hands" with him. you are clearly underestimating Byakuya. at this point in the story, he is High Captian roughly. so ganju being able to "throw hands" sounds dumb
Dangai ichigo >> hogyoku aizen >> base aizen ~ shikai yamamoto >> tokinada >= CFYOW tsukishima > FB arc tsukishima ~ Fullbring ichigo There are countless other ways to get dangai ichigo far above fullbring ichigo but this is the most direct scaling chain that's backed up by a preponderance of evidence imo
@@josephisrael8959 Oh my bad, I was thinking 'Fullbring Shinigami' Ichigo but said 'Fullbring' Ichigo. Yea it's hard to get Fullbring Ichigo on his own, but arguments could be made for Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo considering the fact that you could scale FB Shini Ichigo above Tokinada and to Hikone based on Ginjo, and can somewhat scale him on the extreme low end to Base Yhwach (and potentially Yama), for being able to lightly damage the real Yhwach and overcome his passive Reiatsu Also your scaling chain isn't wrong, but the gaps aren't actually that wide. If we say FB Ichigo => Striped Mask Ichigo, then even Fullbring Ichigo and Tsukishima at the bottom of the scaling chain would be able to harm and inflict damage to people like Base Aizen. You could be in the same tier/relative even if stronger/weaker Tsukishima and Ginjo didn't seem to get stronger between the Lost Agent arc and CFYOW as they were dead and chilling at the Shiba place. Ginjo in Base scales to or slightly above Shikai Tokinada, and Ginjo's Bankai was stated to be potentially able to take out Hikone. As for why he lost to FB Bankai Ichigo so easily, you could argue that they were actually even until Ginjo's resolve was shaken by Ichigo not responding or reacting with anger or hatred like he expected. In Bleach, your strength and power is tied to your resolve, and Ginjo's resolve seemed shaken from the moment he started thinking that. We saw that just before they were clashing evenly, but after he yelled 'Ichigo' he got stomped. More evidence that he got nerfed by resolve is the fact that Ichigo broke his zanpakuto when they were evenly clashing like 2 seconds before that As for Tokinda and Yama, yea Yama was definitely stronger than Tokinada, but Yama's main thing being called out in the novel was his damage output and destructive potential. It wouldn't contradict the other's being relative enough to damage him. So FB Ichigo and Tsuki harming people on Base Aizen and Yama's level if they could manage to land hits is still valid
not the tsunayashiro clan is in a league of their own what it comes to the clans power. Yes the Kuchiki clan is powerful but not compared to tsunayashiro clan
Tsunayashiro was just another noble clan, noble blood is strong and we really don't know whether one is stronger or not. What is for certain is that the Tsunayashiro clan has the most power in politics.
Tokinada is the only member of the clan that we know, and he was considered equal in Reiatsu level to Byakuya (most likely not using Bankai) and Yoruichi (most likely not using Shunko), and was relative to Kyoraku in terms of physical stats. With only one member to compare, it's hard to say, but Tokinada himself is probably at the bottom level of high tier captains
*"HOW DARE YOU MAKE SUCH A LONG VIDEO AFTER COMPLAINING ABOUT CHUCK EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS DEVALUED NOW!" -Some guy I'm sure* I think I'm just dumb, but I'm curious to what we call the Ichigo that unarmed Tsukishima, Completed Fullbring? Doesn't that sound weird if Fullbring (beginning of TYBW) Ichigo is stronger? Anyways, I'm curious Boss, are you on the side that thinks Byakuya not dying was better? This video gave me somehow even more respect for Byakuya, I think combining Lightning Kido with his Zanpakuto is kinda genius and cool since the petals are metal, I'm surprised I never came to such a conclusion. I'm also interested in a Byakuya Vs. Shunsui match now assuming the former isn't overwhelmed by the latter's Hax.
Ichigo with the Clad Type Fullbring is what was officially called Ichigo's Complete Fullbring Ichigo that gets his Shinigami powers back is what we call Fullbring Shinigami/Fullbring Shikai/Fullbring Bankai Ichigo
@@IWriteTooMuchForBleachIGuess I mean, it could still be confusing. If you mean calling Ichigo himself that title would be a bit contentious because the 'Lost Agent' could be referring to Ginjo. But if you mean calling it by the arc, similar to people saying "Soul Society arc X", or "Arrancar arc Y", then that could get confusing since Ichigo has multiple forms throughout the Lost Agent Arc. His base, his multiple fullbring stages, and his 2 fullbring shinigami stages. But I mean I've always heard of the former Ichigo being referred to as "Fullbring Ichigo" or "Complete Fullbring Ichigo", and I've always heard that latter called "Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo" and "Fullbring Shikai/Bankai Ichigo", so maybe I'm just used to it and don't see it as confusing
@@jocoolshow Your particular example kinda confused me the same way I usually am reading it... The way I see it no one is using powerless Ichigo for scaling, then we have him in Fullbring, (Armor Clad) then Lost Agent (Arc) Ichigo who mollywhopped Ginjo. Hell it's because the whole Arc is also unofficially referred to as "Fullbring" by the fans people could take that referring of that Ichigo as literal. I just think the way I see it personally makes more sense. Arrancar Arc Ichigo has too many forms, but if Ichigo was ever referred to as such obviously Ichigo technically isn't an Arrancar, he's a reverse of it in a Vizored/Visored. The Lost Agent Arc really only has those 2 Forms unless someone would want to use Ichigo's Manji Fullbring for some reason which personally...I would be curious about. Obviously Ichigo isn't *the* Lost Agent is my point I guess so that of all things shouldn't be the reason to not use such terminology. Even if I might be the only one off put by this it's not exactly something I don't want to accept when it's obvious like putting Beginning of Series Ichigo Vs. EOS and insisting the former is stronger. It's just...weird to me. That sure was long though huh? I Almost got a reputation for it. It'd be nice if the terminology changed but I doubt that can happen.
@@IWriteTooMuchForBleachIGuess I don't mean just for scaling purposes, that's just what these versions of Ichigo are called in general. Like, in normal conversation and discussion, and scaling. Though when I do hear people say things like "Fullbring Arc Ichigo", they usually talk about him as a character, and then call him "Complete Fullbring", or "Fullbring Shinigami" Ichigo for scaling But lost agent arc Ichigo has Manji Fullbring Ichigo, Incomplete Fullbring Ichigo (The one with the shihakusho and black energy cloak), Complete Fullbring Ichigo, Fullbring Shikai Ichigo, and Fullbring Bankai Ichigo. When it comes to scaling stuff, most people usually only talk about the last 3 though. But as for the naming that's popular. when it come to Ichigo, people usually just call it as it is. Like "Shikai Ichigo" (though he's barely around), Bankai Ichigo (which is basically what he uses as his 'base' form lol), and "Visored Ichigo" is what I usually hear people call his initial hollow mask form. Vasto/Full Hollow Ichigo for his berserk Ulq fight form, and "Striped Mask Ichigo" for his post Ulq fight state. Then Dangai, and finally Mugetsu Ichigo. People call armored Ichigo "Complete Fullbring Ichigo" since that's his state with his completed Fullbring, and Fullbring Shinigami since the Fullbring is what makes this shinigami form different from before. There's also the fact that calling Ichigo "Lost Agent Arc" Ichigo would also be a bit confusing since this form carries over into the next arc. So he's just referred to by what he is rather than the arc he came from (Hope I didn't just make things more confusing though I probably did-)
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I just love all bleach Analysis, good for chillaxing
His initial obsession with strictly following the rules even if it meant his adoptive sister being executed was his dark defining trait, luckily he moderated that with Ichigo defeating him and Aizen's ruse being exposed. Like that he both saved Rukia's life from then on while also turning a blind eye to his subordinates bending the rules to do what's right. The fact that he married a commoner from the worst area of the Rukon meant he wasn't above it all.
Also liked that he showed a tremendous amount of restraint alongside Yoruichi and Soifon while Tokinada relentlessly mocked him for marrying Hisana in CFYOW. No surprise coming from an utterly unhinged psychopath like Tokinada. Byakuya and the others are undoubtedly better and even more innocent than him, including Soifon.....
I never compered Dangai Ichigo with a fullbring Ichigo since it was pretty obvious to me that Dangai is Heavens above fullbring and the statements Ginjo and Tsukishima were making was more in the spirit "ah yes I can see your shinigami powers are returning to you, if this goes on you will get back to the point you were before you lost them" so that was always my take on it.
And the thing Tsukishima was talking about to Byakuya about him not being able to hurt him or not being able to use any of his technics my interpretation of that was Tsukishima inserting himself into Byakuya past/memories andknowing how his techniques and abilities works so he is better prepared to guard against them and the part about not being able to attack him was after he cut Byakuya directly so he probably inserted himself as the most important person in Byakuyas life and then was monologuing how he wont be able to hurt him coz of that. After that Byakuya of course was like no matter if you are my father, daughter, wife or sister if you are Ichigos Kurosakis enemy I will kill you without hesitation. What was very nice call back to how much respect Ichigo earned from him in the span of the series.
Exaxtly Aizen literally says he trancsends all shinigami and hollows and those shinigami would include Bankai Yama meaning 4th fusion aizen>bankai yama at this point keep in mind Dangai ichigo was BULLYNG that aizen and even when aizen went into his monster form and surpassed 4th fusion the same fusion that surpasses yama and all the other shinigami. And yet dangai ichigo stills bullies that aizen and goes mugetsu and aizen is like "😭😡" so it goes to show dangai ichigo IS LIGHT years ahead of fullbring ichigo.
You see, THIS is how you make a longer video. Unlike Chuck and Clyde's recent dumpster fire.
Imagine saying that ulq scales to yamamoto
@@joz.x1747 Base Aizen is stronger than the whole Espada but weaker than Yamamoto. To say Ulquiorra compares to him at all is ridiculous.
@@karma1507 Yeah I agree it's beyond me how any one can think that but I have seen people say that.
Wtf chuck and clyde said that??
@@ByakuyaLaughs Not directly but they implied it. I might be wrong about that, last time I watched it was when it was new but they did some weird scaling to get Ulquiorra as strong as possible.
classes for Captians: Low (normal amount of SP to be CONSIDERED of Captian rank usually consisting of Vice Captian who have learned their Bankai.Example: ikkaku & Renji ARANKAR arc) Mid ( Lower SP Captian who either don't have good showings in the series or just are weaker to other Captains. Soi Fon, Komamura) HIgh ( better showings Toshiro, Kenpachi, Byakuya) GOD: Genryusai
If you're talking about toshiro before tybwa then no that's not a good showing he's loses so many fights and goes bankai more than any other captain
Im pretty sure the "peerless" statement could be read as "the best of his generation" or something. I doubt Renji was intimitately familiar with strength levels of all the captains at that point anyway.
Toshiro was only able to freeze Gerard completely after his head was destroyed. If you pay attention to the sound panel, you will notice that there is no sound of ice during Byakuya's senkei attack. The sound of ice only appeared when Gerard grabbed toshiro but he broke out. The second sound of ice in the panel appeared only after gerard's head was destroyed.
Nice vid also i dmed you the video that i said we could react to in the next stream.
Base Mask De Maskuline was not soloing captains. He was losing to three assistant captains, shuhei, ikkaku and yumichika. He had to get a superstar buff to beat them
Wtf. No he wasn’t
@@Anime_Boy313 yeah, shuhei said don't let him cheer. Making it clear he needed to cheer to beat them
@@otislloyd-zollinger2579 .. that's how his power works? And the vice captains were all getting destroyed idk what ur talking about. Renji was arguably the strongest vice captain before the training and he got one shot by base mask de masculine.
@@MrShadow1995. base mask would have been mask without any cheer amps. Hisgai says don't let him cheer, so that implies hisagi saw him cheer, so base mask < hisagi, ikkaku, and yumichika
Fullbring Ichigo maybe another 5 - 10 times buff from Dual Striped Mask Bankai Ichigo. Mainly because Ichigo gets the completed Fullbring amp, the reiatsu amp and on top of that, the mask buff fuses with his Fullbring. But stronger than dangai feels kind of weird to me.
Though I do think that if you look at feats alone, seperate from narrative, Fullbring Bankai Ichigo is stronger than Dangai. Just releasing his bankai was enough to vaporize at bare minimum all of Karakura Town.
The dimension was most likely larger but we have a base line.
What do you guys think the top 5 strongest New shonen anime verses are? (2016 to 2021)
Byakuya vs kisuke
Would be interesting ngl
Yeah
Kisuke got it
@@otislloyd-zollinger2579 byakuya wins. Better feats
@@Coffee2024. no he doesn't. Kisuke pretty much soloed a schutstaffel and could kill aizen with kido
@@otislloyd-zollinger2579
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"The Dangai form is Ichigo after a training arc."
That's such a naive thing to say, did you not get the whole message that was implied in that part of the story? Shinigami's patch getting destroyed (symbolizing that the seal of ichigo's powers has been broken), Isshin realizes that Ichigo's powers are coming to light (he can feel Aizen transcended) and therefore teaches him the Final getsuga tenshou, Tensa Zangetsu (young Yhwach) merges with full hollow ichigo and THEN stabs ichigo, transferring all his powers to him like Rukia did at the beginning of the Story. It's literally the most obvious symbolism in the entire show: Believe it or not, Dangai ichigo is literally EoS Ichigo (Full hollow+Quincy) uncontrolled. Obviously his powers are fused and therefore he can't use them properly, but it's much more than just a 3 month training. It's even more obvious when ichigo completes his training with Nimaiya and he says "I am now one with Zangetsu" which is literally the definition of Dangai Ichigo.
Yhwach also states that Ichigo regained the power he used against agaisnt Aizen. Meaning just his EOS Shikai is more or less comparable power wise to Dangai Ichigo.
@@corruptangel6793 Well, that's an interpretation, I was talking more about the source of the powers than the magnitude itself. I wanted to show that the idea that "Dangai ichigo is just ichigo +3 months of training" shows that you didn't understand anything symbolized in that part of the series. But yes, Yhwach confirming that they are "the same power" only reconfirms what is implied before, although the immediate power conclusions made on this basis seem questionable to me.
I do agree that dangi should be above Fullbring but where it gets complicated for me is fullbring Ichigo has better direct feats than dangai.
Dangai tanked a mountain level explosion which damaged him. Fullbring vaporized, at bare minimum, all of Karakura Town.
Great vid
Long vids are the best
i kind of wanna asked why hes not in the 5 special powers. Can use kido, can do battle tactically,all around character. and ofc OP bankai. Ikka senjinka can kill everyone except with higher reiatsu oe any immortal chars in bleach. People ignore that move.
Ur wildin ulquiorra wud stomp yammy
There's a databook statement that says yammy is the strongest Espada
@@footy743 Doesn't matter when yammy cant sense how powerful his opponent is. Ulquiorra would make quick work of him
@@4getmenot182 no he wouldn't ichigo said he's stronger I seriously don't know why yall think ulquiorra can beat yammy
@@footy743 Doesn't matter if he's stronger. He still aint winning. Yammy is dumb an doesn't know how to sense spiritual pressure properly or apply to make his body harder and faster. Being stronger doesn't equate to winning a fight especially in bleach
@@4getmenot182 OK seth
I always thought that Fullbring Ichigo was stronger than 2nd Form Ulquiorra and right below Dangai Ichigo.
Naw naw naw, fullbring bankai is around Dangai
That make's no sense narratively, Yammamoto is literally stated to have gotten weaker between arcs by Juha because of him refusing to get his arm healed and Haschwalth was still shocked by bankai Yamma's power and then proceeded to one shot Ichigo's bankai sword in half. On the other hand Aizen has already been stated to surpass both the realm of shinigami and hollow by the time he entered his crysilis state and continued to evolve 4 more times before he was even relative to dangai Ichigo.
@@otislloyd-zollinger2579 lol no he is nowhere strong as dangai stop the cap
1)Yammy`s pesquisa usage was shit.
2)Ichigo coudlnt use his mask properly, had pshyilogical/mental nerfs and half his shukakshuo was ripped.
But yeah even if Yammy was only nr2 its still very impressive for byakuya.
But what characters are weaker than I think?
Can you do tsugashima vs aizen
no ganju was literally an ant to Byakuya. he absolutely did not "throw hands" with him. you are clearly underestimating Byakuya. at this point in the story, he is High Captian roughly. so ganju being able to "throw hands" sounds dumb
Renji(soul society ark) vs Nacht
iirc Zommari's ability ignores durability and shi
Ignoring durability would make sense since it doesn't do physical damage. It's more of a mind hax ability... Sorta anyway.
Please do a Rukai is stronger then you think.
she is exactly as strong as you think
She's not underated, she high key had insane growth during the time skips
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Dangai ichigo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fullbring ichigo
Not counting Mugetsu, I think reasonable arguments can be made for Fullbring Ichigo being stronger
Dangai ichigo >> hogyoku aizen >> base aizen ~ shikai yamamoto >> tokinada >= CFYOW tsukishima > FB arc tsukishima ~ Fullbring ichigo
There are countless other ways to get dangai ichigo far above fullbring ichigo but this is the most direct scaling chain that's backed up by a preponderance of evidence imo
@@josephisrael8959 thank you
@@josephisrael8959 Oh my bad, I was thinking 'Fullbring Shinigami' Ichigo but said 'Fullbring' Ichigo. Yea it's hard to get Fullbring Ichigo on his own, but arguments could be made for Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo considering the fact that you could scale FB Shini Ichigo above Tokinada and to Hikone based on Ginjo, and can somewhat scale him on the extreme low end to Base Yhwach (and potentially Yama), for being able to lightly damage the real Yhwach and overcome his passive Reiatsu
Also your scaling chain isn't wrong, but the gaps aren't actually that wide. If we say FB Ichigo => Striped Mask Ichigo, then even Fullbring Ichigo and Tsukishima at the bottom of the scaling chain would be able to harm and inflict damage to people like Base Aizen. You could be in the same tier/relative even if stronger/weaker
Tsukishima and Ginjo didn't seem to get stronger between the Lost Agent arc and CFYOW as they were dead and chilling at the Shiba place. Ginjo in Base scales to or slightly above Shikai Tokinada, and Ginjo's Bankai was stated to be potentially able to take out Hikone. As for why he lost to FB Bankai Ichigo so easily, you could argue that they were actually even until Ginjo's resolve was shaken by Ichigo not responding or reacting with anger or hatred like he expected. In Bleach, your strength and power is tied to your resolve, and Ginjo's resolve seemed shaken from the moment he started thinking that. We saw that just before they were clashing evenly, but after he yelled 'Ichigo' he got stomped. More evidence that he got nerfed by resolve is the fact that Ichigo broke his zanpakuto when they were evenly clashing like 2 seconds before that
As for Tokinda and Yama, yea Yama was definitely stronger than Tokinada, but Yama's main thing being called out in the novel was his damage output and destructive potential. It wouldn't contradict the other's being relative enough to damage him. So FB Ichigo and Tsuki harming people on Base Aizen and Yama's level if they could manage to land hits is still valid
not the tsunayashiro clan is in a league of their own what it comes to the clans power. Yes the Kuchiki clan is powerful but not compared to tsunayashiro clan
Tsunayashiro was just another noble clan, noble blood is strong and we really don't know whether one is stronger or not. What is for certain is that the Tsunayashiro clan has the most power in politics.
Tokinada is the only member of the clan that we know, and he was considered equal in Reiatsu level to Byakuya (most likely not using Bankai) and Yoruichi (most likely not using Shunko), and was relative to Kyoraku in terms of physical stats. With only one member to compare, it's hard to say, but Tokinada himself is probably at the bottom level of high tier captains
@@jocoolshow Both yoruichi and byakuya were in base, Tokinada was not using enra kyoten though either. I would rank him very near to Shunsui.
@@otislloyd-zollinger2579 youve read CFYOW right
@@benjiago6800 yes I have
Itachi would destroy byakuya
I dont think so
Itachi is literally fodder to Byakuya lmao
Yes itachi is way too much he has izanagi,izanami,susanoo. Not only that but itachi is a better fighter and a has a diverse set of skills
*"Not necessarily"*
@@roblucci6000 ur underestimating Byakuya as theres no way itachi could avoid senbonzakura. Not to mention Byakuya has got the speed advantage
*"HOW DARE YOU MAKE SUCH A LONG VIDEO AFTER COMPLAINING ABOUT CHUCK EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS DEVALUED NOW!" -Some guy I'm sure*
I think I'm just dumb, but I'm curious to what we call the Ichigo that unarmed Tsukishima, Completed Fullbring? Doesn't that sound weird if Fullbring (beginning of TYBW) Ichigo is stronger? Anyways, I'm curious Boss, are you on the side that thinks Byakuya not dying was better? This video gave me somehow even more respect for Byakuya, I think combining Lightning Kido with his Zanpakuto is kinda genius and cool since the petals are metal, I'm surprised I never came to such a conclusion. I'm also interested in a Byakuya Vs. Shunsui match now assuming the former isn't overwhelmed by the latter's Hax.
Ichigo with the Clad Type Fullbring is what was officially called Ichigo's Complete Fullbring
Ichigo that gets his Shinigami powers back is what we call Fullbring Shinigami/Fullbring Shikai/Fullbring Bankai Ichigo
@@jocoolshow Would it not be slightly less confusing to refer to the latter as Lost Agent Ichigo?
@@IWriteTooMuchForBleachIGuess I mean, it could still be confusing. If you mean calling Ichigo himself that title would be a bit contentious because the 'Lost Agent' could be referring to Ginjo. But if you mean calling it by the arc, similar to people saying "Soul Society arc X", or "Arrancar arc Y", then that could get confusing since Ichigo has multiple forms throughout the Lost Agent Arc. His base, his multiple fullbring stages, and his 2 fullbring shinigami stages.
But I mean I've always heard of the former Ichigo being referred to as "Fullbring Ichigo" or "Complete Fullbring Ichigo", and I've always heard that latter called "Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo" and "Fullbring Shikai/Bankai Ichigo", so maybe I'm just used to it and don't see it as confusing
@@jocoolshow Your particular example kinda confused me the same way I usually am reading it... The way I see it no one is using powerless Ichigo for scaling, then we have him in Fullbring, (Armor Clad) then Lost Agent (Arc) Ichigo who mollywhopped Ginjo. Hell it's because the whole Arc is also unofficially referred to as "Fullbring" by the fans people could take that referring of that Ichigo as literal. I just think the way I see it personally makes more sense. Arrancar Arc Ichigo has too many forms, but if Ichigo was ever referred to as such obviously Ichigo technically isn't an Arrancar, he's a reverse of it in a Vizored/Visored. The Lost Agent Arc really only has those 2 Forms unless someone would want to use Ichigo's Manji Fullbring for some reason which personally...I would be curious about. Obviously Ichigo isn't *the* Lost Agent is my point I guess so that of all things shouldn't be the reason to not use such terminology. Even if I might be the only one off put by this it's not exactly something I don't want to accept when it's obvious like putting Beginning of Series Ichigo Vs. EOS and insisting the former is stronger. It's just...weird to me. That sure was long though huh? I Almost got a reputation for it. It'd be nice if the terminology changed but I doubt that can happen.
@@IWriteTooMuchForBleachIGuess I don't mean just for scaling purposes, that's just what these versions of Ichigo are called in general. Like, in normal conversation and discussion, and scaling. Though when I do hear people say things like "Fullbring Arc Ichigo", they usually talk about him as a character, and then call him "Complete Fullbring", or "Fullbring Shinigami" Ichigo for scaling
But lost agent arc Ichigo has Manji Fullbring Ichigo, Incomplete Fullbring Ichigo (The one with the shihakusho and black energy cloak), Complete Fullbring Ichigo, Fullbring Shikai Ichigo, and Fullbring Bankai Ichigo. When it comes to scaling stuff, most people usually only talk about the last 3 though.
But as for the naming that's popular. when it come to Ichigo, people usually just call it as it is. Like "Shikai Ichigo" (though he's barely around), Bankai Ichigo (which is basically what he uses as his 'base' form lol), and "Visored Ichigo" is what I usually hear people call his initial hollow mask form. Vasto/Full Hollow Ichigo for his berserk Ulq fight form, and "Striped Mask Ichigo" for his post Ulq fight state. Then Dangai, and finally Mugetsu Ichigo.
People call armored Ichigo "Complete Fullbring Ichigo" since that's his state with his completed Fullbring, and Fullbring Shinigami since the Fullbring is what makes this shinigami form different from before. There's also the fact that calling Ichigo "Lost Agent Arc" Ichigo would also be a bit confusing since this form carries over into the next arc. So he's just referred to by what he is rather than the arc he came from
(Hope I didn't just make things more confusing though I probably did-)