Sauron was so afraid of the valor that he hid as far east as he could in the lands of mordor for thousands of years before even thinking about building up his strength. He made damn sure all the valor had returned to the undying lands and that middle earth was not a concern to them anymore. Then he finally started to grow his strength. Sauron would not even dream of attempting to release morgoth in fears the valor would stop him.
I doubt that Sauron really had much choice in the matter. Morgoth had poured his own vast power into Arda; especially into his servants. The world itself had become Morgoth's One Ring, and Sauron was as bound to his master's will as the Nazgul were to his. Even if he didn't truly desire to release his old master, he would have been driven to do so. Gandalf tells Pippin, in no uncertain terms, that Sauron himself is "but a servant or emissary." The War of the Ring which ended the Third Age was a war of stewards - Denethor, steward to the heirs of Elendil; Wormtongue, steward of Theoden; Saruman, the treacherous steward of the Valar; Gandalf, the loyal steward of the Valar; and Sauron, the steward of Morgoth.
There really wasen't a big war in the 4th age. Just mopping up of orcs ,easterlings and haradrim. There was no new dark lord and there where general peace through out the lands.
He was not offered a chance to repent by the Valar. He asked for one from Eonwe but since Eonwe was a mere maiar he could not guarantee that Saurons life would be spared. Thats why he chose not to risk it. Reasonable. After the Valar got burned once by pardoning Melkor, they were perhaps not so merciful anymore. Perhaps Sauron could have been redeemed. He was just as evil as Morgoth in his way but he was not the source of all evil, unlike Melkor and it is debatable to what degree his will was his own when he served Morgoth and even after. The great order Sauron dreamed of never manifested in the slightest. He was doing Morgoths work in the second and third age, wether he intended it or not. And Morgoths ambitions had nothing to do with order and perfection. He reveled in chaos and ruination. And thats just what Sauron brought. As much as Sauron was a puppetmaster, i belive he was blind to his own strings.
Sauron canonnically, was only afraid of long punishment by the Valar. Pragmatism of the sort you describe is simply not how most of them operate, especially Manwe.
Naive reasoning. His actions against Finrod, Gorlim, and Beren and Luthien prove he was beyond redemption. Repenting out of fear isn’t sincere repentance. Only in acknowledging that he was wrong to side with Morgoth and that he was wrong to commit atrocities against Iluvatar’s Children (elves and men) would his repentance have been sincere. His actions when he thought the Valar had forsaken Middle-Earth (his actions in the Second and Third Ages) are further proof he was as irredeemable as Morgoth himself.
Sauron COULDN'T surpass Morgoth. Sauron was a Maiar while Morgoth was not only one of the Valar, (a being of a higher order and magnitude of power than the Maiar) but he was the strongest of the Valar. The One Ring is imbued with Sauron's essence and power... But it doesn't directly add to his power, or act as some kind of force multiplier for him. For other, lesser beings than he himself, it would certainly augment their abilities. It certainly doesn't push him higher in power than his former master though. On his hand, it's basically just his horcrux, quite honestly. Does he need it to control his greatest servants, the Nazgul? Nope, not since they became wraiths.
Before he made arda his ring, by corrupting it with his essence, morgoth was the mightiest being, only after could tulkas fold him into a pretzel of the dark lord variety
Actually that is incorrect. Just because Sauron/Mairon was a Maia and Melkor/Morgoth was no reason to think he could not surpass him. Eaonwe, the Herald of Manwë was a Maia but was, according to Tolkien himself, was UNSURPASSED in test of arms, the most powerful in the prosecution of war among the Ainur of Arda. Tulkas was the strongest of the Ainur of Arda but within the arena of armed war Eaonwe was the greatest and struck down Morgoth as Tulkas and Orome chained him. Morgoth grew weaker with every twisted creation he made while Sauron grew TERRIBLE IN STRENGTH and arts of Death Sorcery. He overcame the forces of Orodreth in one night. But, remember.....Luthian overcame the both of them with her inborn glamor of her Maia mother.....😮
@@bdleo300 most definitely, I know Morgoth was originally second to none amongst the valar, had a professor call him "tangible" after making arda his ring, and I really like that explanation too
I feel like abandoning Melkor to seize leadership over his armies and territories would be precisely the kind of ambition and cunning Melkor would expect out of his top pupil.
Sauron would need access to The Doors of Night which are under countrol of The Valor. Since the world had been changed with the fall of Numenor....I am not sure Sauron would have had access to them to begin with. With all that being said; Sauron's ambition after Melkor was banished to The Void was to replace him so I would assume that with all this being said he never entertained the idea of freeing his former master from his prison.
Remember Sauron got the Numenorians to worship Melkor well after Melkor had been cast into the void. After Sauron's ring was destroyed he more than likely ended up back beside Melkor's side
After the ring was destroyed, his spirit survived but greatly weakened and he basically faded away into obscurity, forgotten and virtually powerless for all eternity.
This likely didn't happen as Sauron's spirit (whatever was left of it) along with all of the Ainu were relegated to reside permanently within the confines of Arda by decree of Eru until it's remaking with the one time exception of Melkor who's banishment into the void was blessed by Eru out of necessity. So all of this is to say, that Sauron's spirit till lingers in Arda if not for no other reason than it cannot leave Arda.
Sauron couldn’t have released Morgoth. Even if he somehow bypassed the watchful eyes of Eärendil, the Valar wouldn’t have tolerated Morgoth’s return. To be honest I doubt Sauron would’ve wanted Morgoth’s return as his own desire for power had grown tremendously since his master’s exile.
As a Maia he would be inferior to Nando's, a Valar. Also Mandos knows all outcomes, he cannot be surprised. He may well have considered it, it was out of his grasp.
Sauron had become magnitudes greater in power than Morgoth, as he had poured out his power into his twisting of creation. When the Valar cast him into the void, he was weak as a kitten and they humiliated him by making his crown into a collar. It would have been senseless to bring back a diminished Morgoth, even Tolkien had implied as much
This channel is the worst. I keep accidentally opening these videos and they're all just 30 minutes of Ai generated dialogue and voice over repeating the same 3 minutes worth of information.
Good video, but I highly recommend that you show the background pictures (which are great), without the words you put on the screen - the words detracted from your video, not least because a huge number of LOTR references were incorrectly spelt (for example your video references "Maya", "Ole", "Einu", "Valor" and I'm not even a minute into your video... Even if the spelling was correct, having the words jump up on the screen would still detract from your videos. Just positive feedback, that hopefully helps your future vids - it's clear that you put good work into this video, so don't let something like this (which was just a choice on your your part and went on after you had created an initially good video), ruin them. The art you chose & the AI narration are spot on so far....let your viewers enjoy them / your work without the distractions. It's like creating a beautiful painting and then choosing to graffiti over the top of it before anyone gets to see it at the viewing.
I just don't see why the Valar didn't do the same to him as Morgoth! Instead they let him do as he pleased & sent 5 wizards to aid the free people's while he tore ass up thru middle earth! SMH 😢 Also the elves just gave up & said peace out homies & left for Valinor. You're on your own Bitches! We already seen how this is gonna end for Ya'll & it isn't gonna end well at all! 🫣😬😮💨
Are you sure that this isn't exactly what Eru told them to do. The free will of the children of illuvatar was not to be abridged even by the Valar. Again exactly why the Istari were sent to support & advise not to order or control. Just like Morgoth when force & control is openly used the Valar may act to counter but by deception, manipulation such as with a ring, the valar may still feel constrained by the instructions of Illuvatar. Even the Maiar in Eagle form, servants of manwe are precluded from active aid, like Throndor picking up the ring & dropping it into the cracks of doom. So illuvatar stretches forth his will to help Tolkien make a wonderful series of books rather than a quick tale of a smart bird with little appreciation for high drama 😊👍
When it comes down to it, Sauron and Melkor had VERY different goals. While Sauron was rebellious and prideful, he was a Maiar of Aule, and desired to create and enforce order. His order. Melkor was spiteful and destructive. If he could not create, he would destroy. His goal was the corruption or destruction of all that the other Valar had created. If he had the option (which he did not, it was out of his hands), I do not think that Sauron would have brought Melkor back.
This analysis tactfully omits the three points that demolish its conclusion: First, Tolkien stated that Morgoth had infused his will into Sauron so deeply that Sauron could not do anything to defy Morgoth. This is stated when Tolkien narrates Eonwe's order to Sauron to return to Valinor to be judged. Tolkien said that Sauron was inclined to be cowed by the overpowering might shown by the Valar, but that the chains Sauron had placed upon him were too heavy for him to break away. Second, Sauron allowed himself to be taken captive to Numenor, in order to convince the Numenoreans that Morgoth was the legitimate ruler of Middle Earth, whose reign had been usurped by the other Valar. If Sauron wanted to take Morgoth's place, he had no reason to be Morgoth's apostle to the Numenoreans. Third, having convinced the Numenoreans to worship Morgoth, he convinced them to initiate a practice of making human sacrifices to Morgoth. Clearly, Sauron either believed or hoped that a sufficient number of human sacrifices could open up a way for Morgoth to escape from the void. In view of these three facts, it is clear that Sauron always saw himself as Morgoth's steward. If he could find any way to speed up Morgoth's escape from the void, he would do it.
Nice video’s: the narration is very good i must say. Once i had an ebook of the Silmarillion. Was better than reading it😅. JRR Tolkien was a genius. I mean how old are his Books and Tales. All other fantasy books/ games and movies are heavily influenced by it!
Sauron is at his best equal in power to one of the weaker valar The stronger ones being orders of magnitude more powerful than him Sauron had zero chance of doing anything even if he wanted to which he probably didn't
Both of them were evil, but Morgoth was as much an agent of Chaos as he was one of Evil. Sauron was a hard set Lawful Evil and probably would have rebelled from Morgoth had he not been cast into the void.
If Morgoth's "return" was (is) fated, it would not have mattered whether Sauron intended to ever attempt to release Morgoth. Besides, it was not merely the Valar's power that banished Morgoth into the Void, but the Will of Eru Illuvatar Himself, while sparing Morgoth's 'life' as Morgoth was his creation after all. Sauron would never have the power nor the ability to accrue the power required to "free" Morgoth.
Should be a rather tense meeting between Morgoth and Sauron. Like how a revived Voldemort confronts his Death Eaters in the Goblet of Fire, but on steroids.
Even if he could, why undermine himself? People tied to dark powers in fiction always want to be on top and hoard it for themselves. Sauron especially would be no different.
Bottom line, there was no percentage in releasing Morgoth for Sauron. In fact, he would be unleashing the ultimate agent of DISorder. Without a doubt, Morgoth would just trash the place (Middle Earth) and almost undoubtedly provoke a response from the Valar, possibly even Eru Himself.
The Valar only came to Middle Earth to stop Morgoth. Any chance he or anyone else would have at dominating the free peoples of Middle Earth is predicated on keeping them away. I am sure Sauron, especially after he has been weakened, had no interest in actively and directly opposing 6 beings that are all more powerful than he is. Sauron was smart enough to keep them off the battlefield at all costs, and releasing Morgoth would have brought them directly to the battlefield.
Sauron understood perfectly well that what the Valar did to Melkor/Morgoth, they could do to him as well. Instead, the Valar allowed just 5 Maiar to 'take the field' against him. (So that 'lesser' beings could prove their worth in the fight against evil.)
Not the rings but the free peoples. The rings were little more than a crutch. It was Eru's gift of free will & his instructions to the valar not to interfere, that were Eru's final symphony. Even with melkor's opposition & counterpoint to the melody (evil) it only served to make the final music even greater (sacrifice & heroism) peace & tranquility restored with the knowledge of how awful the alternative might have been. The sea called the first children home, the second earns their birthright.
Numenoreans were ralied into a religion of Melkor worship Could it be that one of the reasons he sent the black numenoreans into Valinor was to release his master? I doubt it, but if Eru himself twisted the earth and sank Numenor Maybe? I'm not as knowledgable to have such a certainty
Not certain, mandos alone with the chain made by aule, was able to detain morgoth for nearly an age in his halls. Morgoth had to beg /appeal for clemency. 👍
Why wasn't Sauron afraid of the Valar intervening again? After all, they had defeated Morgoth, so they could have manifested themselves again and put an end to Sauron's new ascension?
Obviously After defeat, deep fears and doubts came to Sauron's mind.. Morgoths influence was so important that for a long time his ambition was to accomplish with passion and effort the targets of his master. Just imagine for one moment that someone like Sauron served a master before he became the lord of Mordor... The possible answer lies in the nature of the idea that forged the loyalty to Morgoth. Because in the end the Valar would never allow to loose middlearth to darkness. May be he was thinking in the possibility to literaly break the inffluence of Eru and the ainur that connected them to middlearth. Darkness is intimately related to the void* and well after defeat, he knew that a war against the Valar without Morgoth was impossible to win soo.. A contact or access to Morgoths power would make him a master of a world far of lights inffluence* if not having the master at his side immediatly, then being the master himself but having the control while Morgoth recovers, because the conflict is unavoidable, war between light and darkness is for eternity* Is not about loyalty, its about victory no mather how in a war for the eons* where two powers together for one of the factions is essential**
Only one who isnt well versed in Tolkien lore would as such a question. Melkor was a god, (Valar) Sauron was a servant. (miaia) Sauron did not have the power needed to undo what the other Valar did
Melkor was too weak once he was defeated. Just a weak aimless pointless spirit unable to have any real influence over physical reality. On top of all that, he was trapped in an abyss or void that was way beyond Sauron's ability to free him. Melkor became a lesson to all who defied Eru. Besides, Melkor and Sauron have very different goals and agendas. Sauron still honored Melkor, but in the end he probably knew that Melkor would only destroy what he was trying to build.
Saurons mindset when joining Morgoth was very different than stated. His hatred for morgoth after he was sent to the void was enough for the thought of releasing him to never cross his mind. Read more.
I mean, there was no way Morgoth could ever achieve his goal of gaining the Secret Fire, either. I think if you are a Dark Lord, your reach should exceed your grasp.
I like your nuanced understanding of sauron. He wasnt just evil for the sake of evil but a being of extreme masculinity, trying to make the "perfect system".
While I appreciate your work and that you cover interesting topics, I have a hard time listening with that echo effect on your voice. I usually sleep to these kinds of videos but I just end up closing it and playing something else. Just some feedback, all the best to you :)
If Morgoth wanted Sauron's ring, Sauron would not have a choice in giving it to him. But Morgoth would have no need of the ring to begin with though unless he wanted to try and do what Sauron was doing with it.
@@Don-Coyote-De-Transylvania How is he wrong? All the Rings of Power are attached to Sauron's ring. Morgoth wears it and control over them he will have and Sauron = A nice present. Sauron's power is that of a 4 year old as Morgoth power is that of an Adult = To help you understand better.
@@truthseeker6532 Morgoth power diminishes and given to all creatures under his command. Even Ungoliant was stronger than him. You should have know this i don't have time of explanations.
@@truthseeker6532 Power-scale in Tolkien is not that rigid, Morgoth was nowhere that powerful even before he was defeated. Fingolfin almost kicked his ars.... Although Sauron was also defeated too many times.
How could he it wouldn't even be possible that dude's holding that guy in the void past that gate are above and beyond him in every way. It's not even a possibility I'm sure he was just happy that nobody was paying attention to him or doing anything about what he was doing really in a direct way. I mean come on look what happened to numenor the last time he tried to mess around with those guys
Sauron was so afraid of the valor that he hid as far east as he could in the lands of mordor for thousands of years before even thinking about building up his strength. He made damn sure all the valor had returned to the undying lands and that middle earth was not a concern to them anymore. Then he finally started to grow his strength. Sauron would not even dream of attempting to release morgoth in fears the valor would stop him.
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@@GodDemonPazuzuYaldabaothYahwehNo. He’s. Not. Read the books & think of a cooler username. Also how’s the war going, loser?
@@GodDemonPazuzuYaldabaothYahweh how ?
Valar. Idiots breed more idiots.
@@jarryan2136Yaldabaoth. No time to write. Search Wikipedia.
I doubt that Sauron really had much choice in the matter. Morgoth had poured his own vast power into Arda; especially into his servants. The world itself had become Morgoth's One Ring, and Sauron was as bound to his master's will as the Nazgul were to his. Even if he didn't truly desire to release his old master, he would have been driven to do so.
Gandalf tells Pippin, in no uncertain terms, that Sauron himself is "but a servant or emissary." The War of the Ring which ended the Third Age was a war of stewards - Denethor, steward to the heirs of Elendil; Wormtongue, steward of Theoden; Saruman, the treacherous steward of the Valar; Gandalf, the loyal steward of the Valar; and Sauron, the steward of Morgoth.
Si when is the next war? 🤔
There really wasen't a big war in the 4th age. Just mopping up of orcs ,easterlings and haradrim. There was no new dark lord and there where general peace through out the lands.
Well said
They are all servants... "free peoples of Middle-earth", not even the most powerful of them are free.
I don’t think he considered it,he can’t…that is a different level of divinity that Sauron cannot touch
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@@GodDemonPazuzuYaldabaothYahweh Everyone knows you're a demon, you're not fooling anyone
@@informedconsumer5293haha, that was funny))
@@GodDemonPazuzuYaldabaothYahwehsays who?
He wouldn't want to anyway, he wanted to dominate and Morgoth wanted chaos.
Fact is whether Sauron wanted Morgoth released or not, it was largely out of his control...
Not exactly he had a chance if you look at the details in the book
. What details?
@@sportreviewhd4767not powerful enough
He was not offered a chance to repent by the Valar. He asked for one from Eonwe but since Eonwe was a mere maiar he could not guarantee that Saurons life would be spared. Thats why he chose not to risk it. Reasonable. After the Valar got burned once by pardoning Melkor, they were perhaps not so merciful anymore. Perhaps Sauron could have been redeemed. He was just as evil as Morgoth in his way but he was not the source of all evil, unlike Melkor and it is debatable to what degree his will was his own when he served Morgoth and even after. The great order Sauron dreamed of never manifested in the slightest. He was doing Morgoths work in the second and third age, wether he intended it or not. And Morgoths ambitions had nothing to do with order and perfection. He reveled in chaos and ruination. And thats just what Sauron brought. As much as Sauron was a puppetmaster, i belive he was blind to his own strings.
Correct. Leftism mirrors the evil of Melkor and Sauron and Satan.
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Sauron canonnically, was only afraid of long punishment by the Valar. Pragmatism of the sort you describe is simply not how most of them operate, especially Manwe.
Naive reasoning. His actions against Finrod, Gorlim, and Beren and Luthien prove he was beyond redemption. Repenting out of fear isn’t sincere repentance. Only in acknowledging that he was wrong to side with Morgoth and that he was wrong to commit atrocities against Iluvatar’s Children (elves and men) would his repentance have been sincere. His actions when he thought the Valar had forsaken Middle-Earth (his actions in the Second and Third Ages) are further proof he was as irredeemable as Morgoth himself.
Sauron COULDN'T surpass Morgoth. Sauron was a Maiar while Morgoth was not only one of the Valar, (a being of a higher order and magnitude of power than the Maiar) but he was the strongest of the Valar.
The One Ring is imbued with Sauron's essence and power... But it doesn't directly add to his power, or act as some kind of force multiplier for him. For other, lesser beings than he himself, it would certainly augment their abilities. It certainly doesn't push him higher in power than his former master though. On his hand, it's basically just his horcrux, quite honestly. Does he need it to control his greatest servants, the Nazgul? Nope, not since they became wraiths.
Strongest of the valar:
Tulkas laugh loud 😂😅
Before he made arda his ring, by corrupting it with his essence, morgoth was the mightiest being, only after could tulkas fold him into a pretzel of the dark lord variety
Actually that is incorrect. Just because Sauron/Mairon was a Maia and Melkor/Morgoth was no reason to think he could not surpass him. Eaonwe, the Herald of Manwë was a Maia but was, according to Tolkien himself, was UNSURPASSED in test of arms, the most powerful in the prosecution of war among the Ainur of Arda. Tulkas was the strongest of the Ainur of Arda but within the arena of armed war Eaonwe was the greatest and struck down Morgoth as Tulkas and Orome chained him.
Morgoth grew weaker with every twisted creation he made while Sauron grew TERRIBLE IN STRENGTH and arts of Death Sorcery. He overcame the forces of Orodreth in one night.
But, remember.....Luthian overcame the both of them with her inborn glamor of her Maia mother.....😮
Power-scale in Tolkien is quite questionable.
@@bdleo300 most definitely, I know Morgoth was originally second to none amongst the valar, had a professor call him "tangible" after making arda his ring, and I really like that explanation too
I feel like abandoning Melkor to seize leadership over his armies and territories would be precisely the kind of ambition and cunning Melkor would expect out of his top pupil.
Even with the ring Sauron is no match for the Valar.
He don't need to be a match for them, you forgetting how he tricked Numanor and elf smiths I think he is a match in a different way not in kombat
Depends on which valar he came up against! Some are far beyond his intelligence and cunning.
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Ya even with the ring he was never close to the power Morgoth had. Idk what the video was getting at with that comment
@@sportreviewhd4767dude are stupid you thing he can trick Valar😂
Sauron would need access to The Doors of Night which are under countrol of The Valor. Since the world had been changed with the fall of Numenor....I am not sure Sauron would have had access to them to begin with. With all that being said; Sauron's ambition after Melkor was banished to The Void was to replace him so I would assume that with all this being said he never entertained the idea of freeing his former master from his prison.
Good question!
Remember Sauron got the Numenorians to worship Melkor well after Melkor had been cast into the void. After Sauron's ring was destroyed he more than likely ended up back beside Melkor's side
After the ring was destroyed, his spirit survived but greatly weakened and he basically faded away into obscurity, forgotten and virtually powerless for all eternity.
This likely didn't happen as Sauron's spirit (whatever was left of it) along with all of the Ainu were relegated to reside permanently within the confines of Arda by decree of Eru until it's remaking with the one time exception of Melkor who's banishment into the void was blessed by Eru out of necessity. So all of this is to say, that Sauron's spirit till lingers in Arda if not for no other reason than it cannot leave Arda.
This is wrong. Hes stuck in the world
Sauron couldn’t have released Morgoth. Even if he somehow bypassed the watchful eyes of Eärendil, the Valar wouldn’t have tolerated Morgoth’s return. To be honest I doubt Sauron would’ve wanted Morgoth’s return as his own desire for power had grown tremendously since his master’s exile.
As a Maia he would be inferior to Nando's, a Valar. Also Mandos knows all outcomes, he cannot be surprised. He may well have considered it, it was out of his grasp.
Sauron had become magnitudes greater in power than Morgoth, as he had poured out his power into his twisting of creation. When the Valar cast him into the void, he was weak as a kitten and they humiliated him by making his crown into a collar. It would have been senseless to bring back a diminished Morgoth, even Tolkien had implied as much
This feels like an A.I. generated answer(s) to a question
It is
This channel is the worst. I keep accidentally opening these videos and they're all just 30 minutes of Ai generated dialogue and voice over repeating the same 3 minutes worth of information.
I absolutely love the way you narrate
Nice History Very Well Made.👍⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Good video, but I highly recommend that you show the background pictures (which are great), without the words you put on the screen - the words detracted from your video, not least because a huge number of LOTR references were incorrectly spelt (for example your video references "Maya", "Ole", "Einu", "Valor" and I'm not even a minute into your video...
Even if the spelling was correct, having the words jump up on the screen would still detract from your videos.
Just positive feedback, that hopefully helps your future vids - it's clear that you put good work into this video, so don't let something like this (which was just a choice on your your part and went on after you had created an initially good video), ruin them. The art you chose & the AI narration are spot on so far....let your viewers enjoy them / your work without the distractions.
It's like creating a beautiful painting and then choosing to graffiti over the top of it before anyone gets to see it at the viewing.
I just don't see why the Valar didn't do the same to him as Morgoth! Instead they let him do as he pleased & sent 5 wizards to aid the free people's while he tore ass up thru middle earth! SMH 😢 Also the elves just gave up & said peace out homies & left for Valinor. You're on your own Bitches! We already seen how this is gonna end for Ya'll & it isn't gonna end well at all! 🫣😬😮💨
Are you sure that this isn't exactly what Eru told them to do. The free will of the children of illuvatar was not to be abridged even by the Valar. Again exactly why the Istari were sent to support & advise not to order or control. Just like Morgoth when force & control is openly used the Valar may act to counter but by deception, manipulation such as with a ring, the valar may still feel constrained by the instructions of Illuvatar. Even the Maiar in Eagle form, servants of manwe are precluded from active aid, like Throndor picking up the ring & dropping it into the cracks of doom. So illuvatar stretches forth his will to help Tolkien make a wonderful series of books rather than a quick tale of a smart bird with little appreciation for high drama 😊👍
When it comes down to it, Sauron and Melkor had VERY different goals. While Sauron was rebellious and prideful, he was a Maiar of Aule, and desired to create and enforce order. His order. Melkor was spiteful and destructive. If he could not create, he would destroy. His goal was the corruption or destruction of all that the other Valar had created.
If he had the option (which he did not, it was out of his hands), I do not think that Sauron would have brought Melkor back.
Gotta love the MTL captions
This analysis tactfully omits the three points that demolish its conclusion:
First, Tolkien stated that Morgoth had infused his will into Sauron so deeply that Sauron could not do anything to defy Morgoth. This is stated when Tolkien narrates Eonwe's order to Sauron to return to Valinor to be judged. Tolkien said that Sauron was inclined to be cowed by the overpowering might shown by the Valar, but that the chains Sauron had placed upon him were too heavy for him to break away.
Second, Sauron allowed himself to be taken captive to Numenor, in order to convince the Numenoreans that Morgoth was the legitimate ruler of Middle Earth, whose reign had been usurped by the other Valar. If Sauron wanted to take Morgoth's place, he had no reason to be Morgoth's apostle to the Numenoreans.
Third, having convinced the Numenoreans to worship Morgoth, he convinced them to initiate a practice of making human sacrifices to Morgoth. Clearly, Sauron either believed or hoped that a sufficient number of human sacrifices could open up a way for Morgoth to escape from the void.
In view of these three facts, it is clear that Sauron always saw himself as Morgoth's steward. If he could find any way to speed up Morgoth's escape from the void, he would do it.
Wow...... this video is deep. I love it.
Nice video’s: the narration is very good i must say. Once i had an ebook of the Silmarillion. Was better than reading it😅. JRR Tolkien was a genius. I mean how old are his Books and Tales. All other fantasy books/ games and movies are heavily influenced by it!
Sauron, unlike Morgoth, didnt try to rule Arda. He "only" wanted middle earth.
And no, no maia would be able to get the hold on either of the Valar.
Sauron is at his best equal in power to one of the weaker valar
The stronger ones being orders of magnitude more powerful than him
Sauron had zero chance of doing anything even if he wanted to which he probably didn't
Both of them were evil, but Morgoth was as much an agent of Chaos as he was one of Evil. Sauron was a hard set Lawful Evil and probably would have rebelled from Morgoth had he not been cast into the void.
He doesn't even know how the legit only person who genuinly could release him from the void is Illuvitar and he's hardly going to do that.
I don't think there's ANY indication that Saruon COULD do that.
If Morgoth's "return" was (is) fated, it would not have mattered whether Sauron intended to ever attempt to release Morgoth. Besides, it was not merely the Valar's power that banished Morgoth into the Void, but the Will of Eru Illuvatar Himself, while sparing Morgoth's 'life' as Morgoth was his creation after all. Sauron would never have the power nor the ability to accrue the power required to "free" Morgoth.
Excellent narration.
Should be a rather tense meeting between Morgoth and Sauron. Like how a revived Voldemort confronts his Death Eaters in the Goblet of Fire, but on steroids.
Even if he could, why undermine himself? People tied to dark powers in fiction always want to be on top and hoard it for themselves. Sauron especially would be no different.
Bottom line, there was no percentage in releasing Morgoth for Sauron. In fact, he would be unleashing the ultimate agent of DISorder. Without a doubt, Morgoth would just trash the place (Middle Earth) and almost undoubtedly provoke a response from the Valar, possibly even Eru Himself.
The Valar only came to Middle Earth to stop Morgoth. Any chance he or anyone else would have at dominating the free peoples of Middle Earth is predicated on keeping them away. I am sure Sauron, especially after he has been weakened, had no interest in actively and directly opposing 6 beings that are all more powerful than he is. Sauron was smart enough to keep them off the battlefield at all costs, and releasing Morgoth would have brought them directly to the battlefield.
Sauron understood perfectly well that what the Valar did to Melkor/Morgoth, they could do to him as well. Instead, the Valar allowed just 5 Maiar to 'take the field' against him. (So that 'lesser' beings could prove their worth in the fight against evil.)
So what's the point of doing anything then, even if he won in the middle-earth Sauron couldn't do s... against the Valar.
@@bdleo300 The Valar want to see how WE do. (While understanding that we need 'a bit' of help.)
Not the rings but the free peoples. The rings were little more than a crutch. It was Eru's gift of free will & his instructions to the valar not to interfere, that were Eru's final symphony. Even with melkor's opposition & counterpoint to the melody (evil) it only served to make the final music even greater (sacrifice & heroism) peace & tranquility restored with the knowledge of how awful the alternative might have been. The sea called the first children home, the second earns their birthright.
Numenoreans were ralied into a religion of Melkor worship
Could it be that one of the reasons he sent the black numenoreans into Valinor was to release his master?
I doubt it, but if Eru himself twisted the earth and sank Numenor
Maybe?
I'm not as knowledgable to have such a certainty
When Sauron was in Numenor, he preached that Eru was not the true god, but that Melkor was.
I can't imagine Sauron considering this as it would be beyond his power. It took a council of Valar to put Morgoth into the void.
Not certain, mandos alone with the chain made by aule, was able to detain morgoth for nearly an age in his halls. Morgoth had to beg /appeal for clemency. 👍
Why wasn't Sauron afraid of the Valar intervening again? After all, they had defeated Morgoth, so they could have manifested themselves again and put an end to Sauron's new ascension?
Obviously After defeat, deep fears and doubts came to Sauron's mind.. Morgoths influence was so important that for a long time his ambition was to accomplish with passion and effort the targets of his master. Just imagine for one moment that someone like Sauron served a master before he became the lord of Mordor... The possible answer lies in the nature of the idea that forged the loyalty to Morgoth. Because in the end the Valar would never allow to loose middlearth to darkness. May be he was thinking in the possibility to literaly break the inffluence of Eru and the ainur that connected them to middlearth. Darkness is intimately related to the void* and well after defeat, he knew that a war against the Valar without Morgoth was impossible to win soo.. A contact or access to Morgoths power would make him a master of a world far of lights inffluence* if not having the master at his side immediatly, then being the master himself but having the control while Morgoth recovers, because the conflict is unavoidable, war between light and darkness is for eternity* Is not about loyalty, its about victory no mather how in a war for the eons* where two powers together for one of the factions is essential**
Somehow it seems like Sauron is NOT the bad guy here? I love it shen nothing is black or white!
He couldnt if he wanted to.. when morgoth was gone, in the books, sauron had a good time pretending to to be human or elf.
Only one who isnt well versed in Tolkien lore would as such a question. Melkor was a god, (Valar) Sauron was a servant. (miaia) Sauron did not have the power needed to undo what the other Valar did
Melkor was NOT a god, more like an archangel, like Lucifer.
Melkor was too weak once he was defeated. Just a weak aimless pointless spirit unable to have any real influence over physical reality. On top of all that, he was trapped in an abyss or void that was way beyond Sauron's ability to free him. Melkor became a lesson to all who defied Eru. Besides, Melkor and Sauron have very different goals and agendas. Sauron still honored Melkor, but in the end he probably knew that Melkor would only destroy what he was trying to build.
That would be like Bush bringing Saddam back to life. Cool to think about, completely impossible
F117's & apache's make lovely dragon analogies but it's not sure your statement captures the grandeur of Tolkien's works 🙄
Nice ideas but the echo effect is distracting and offputting.
Thanks for your feedback! We’II adjust it
He never wanted him to be released. Sauron likes being free to do whatever he wants.
I don't think you realize how impossible it would be for him to do that. Sauron is afraid of the Valar. This is the most comedy thing I've ever heard.
Morgoth will return in the final battle, when the world will be made anew.
He will return in Amazon sequel :D
Stupid question. No way could a mere Maia like Sauron destroy the gates to the Void that the Valar made 🙄
Saurons mindset when joining Morgoth was very different than stated. His hatred for morgoth after he was sent to the void was enough for the thought of releasing him to never cross his mind. Read more.
I’m wondering if a human was even involved making this video, since nobody cared enough to correct the obvious spelling mistakes
Sauron was a Maiar. There was no way he could go against the Valar and release Morgoth from the Void.
I mean, there was no way Morgoth could ever achieve his goal of gaining the Secret Fire, either. I think if you are a Dark Lord, your reach should exceed your grasp.
I like your nuanced understanding of sauron. He wasnt just evil for the sake of evil but a being of extreme masculinity, trying to make the "perfect system".
That’s sexist.
@@joshwhite1606 pretty sure Sauron is supposed to literally be the concept of supreme yang. Order with no change and no flexibility
@@teddyhh9947 that’s not what masculinity is. Your definition is sexist.
It is exactly what the masculine principle is according to the yin yang model. Stop being weak@@joshwhite1606
"extreme masculinity"? Are you serious or that's some kind of sarcasm?
While I appreciate your work and that you cover interesting topics, I have a hard time listening with that echo effect on your voice. I usually sleep to these kinds of videos but I just end up closing it and playing something else. Just some feedback, all the best to you :)
Does it matter then since you sleep anyway lol
you have bleak channels all over the internet. dude brought something unique and different and you are immediately crying
@@Finis.TerraeIt's his opinion bro
@@Finis.Terraecrying? 😂😂😂😂 why can nobody criticise anything these days. It’s okay to criticise
Could he even do it?
What if after Morgoth return he would have claim Sauron ring? Would have Sauron gave it?
If Morgoth wanted Sauron's ring, Sauron would not have a choice in giving it to him. But Morgoth would have no need of the ring to begin with though unless he wanted to try and do what Sauron was doing with it.
@@raymondvalasquez3992 You are so wrong.
@@Don-Coyote-De-Transylvania
How is he wrong?
All the Rings of Power are attached to Sauron's ring. Morgoth wears it and control over them he will have and Sauron = A nice present.
Sauron's power is that of a 4 year old as Morgoth power is that of an Adult = To help you understand better.
@@truthseeker6532 Morgoth power diminishes and given to all creatures under his command. Even Ungoliant was stronger than him. You should have know this i don't have time of explanations.
@@truthseeker6532 Power-scale in Tolkien is not that rigid, Morgoth was nowhere that powerful even before he was defeated. Fingolfin almost kicked his ars.... Although Sauron was also defeated too many times.
What a stupid théorie, you know its not possible,,,
You have no power here Sauron the Pede 😂😂
Wrong. Sauron desired a new order, but Morgoth desired only destruction.
tl;dr no
This is a crazy, idiotic question. Sauron had no such power.
It may not be your subject, do you have another subject you want to see?
No reason to be hysterical
narration style is just so good
How could he it wouldn't even be possible that dude's holding that guy in the void past that gate are above and beyond him in every way. It's not even a possibility I'm sure he was just happy that nobody was paying attention to him or doing anything about what he was doing really in a direct way. I mean come on look what happened to numenor the last time he tried to mess around with those guys