This is not the answer, but it is a new playstyle. The KR victims are expressing their bewilderment. It seems to be known overseas as well. For existing players, I recommend going for Lich Bane instead of Liandry's Katarina was nerfed because she was too strong, but she still seems to be doing okay. These are the mains using Aery Katarina www.deeplol.gg/summoner/kr/%ED%8F%AC%EB%87%A8%EC%9D%98%20%EC%A7%80%EB%8A%90%EB%9F%AC%EB%AF%B8-KR1 www.deeplol.gg/summoner/kr/Anton%20Chigurh-cex%EA%B8%B0%EA%B3%84 www.deeplol.gg/summoner/kr/Green-KR654
As a Kat player, im just having identity crisis with every passing season. Once Kat was a mobile AP assassin, then she was a AD caster with Kraken and on hit, then she was a mobile bruiser with Divide Sunderer, then a AP on hit, and now a poke mage in lane
@@jameshuang2677 The most funny time for Kat was just after her rework: first item long sword, reach lvl 3 and just do a complete and extended combo for a free first blood with a 90% sucess.
I find that playstyle interesting. Do you think it's worth learning to play it consistently, or will it likely become unusable soon due to meta changes?
Who would have guessed after they buffed her Q? Leave it to Riot to turn every assassin a poke oriented pick. They did it with Zed and now they are doing it with Kata.
@@domebence2547 Yeah and how do you counter that? You barely can. With Katarina you can at least catch her on times where wave is far so she can't escape with E or poke her. Zed can just always W his way out and farm from afar, or even damage mages more than they can him, it's not that easy to plan a gank when Zed uses his W, all timing has to be in spot, and even then he can still escape, what are mages gonna do? Kill him when he can just poke or farm from a distance? Wild design man
@@rebelfriend1818 and at which point gunblade offered skill or outplay? You basically press it every time you go all in (unless you mean situations where people forget to press an item because they are not used to it)
I've played against this kind of build and it was annoying. Infinity dashes, burn, and burst. It does fall off later, but most games end long before that's relevant.
this is basically old kat before the on-hit rework. W preparation so your next Q doesnt get reduced damage from hitting minions and you just chip away at them until you can all in with E-R.
I was about to send you a message to put this on your radar, so I'm glad you covered this. People have also been playing this Support, similar to Leblanc. Seems like a troll at first, but the poke early with Sudden Impact (E back) makes for an extremely oppressive lane phase at roughly 120~130 per Q total on a squishy at Lv1. You are basically a manaless pre-rework Pantheon. For more pressure, take TP Ignite and make an early recall for Dark Seal + Boots + Refill + Sweeper. Comet is somewhat viable against immobile bot duos such as ADCs with no Fleet and aren't Jhin, no Pyke/Janna/Zilean etc. Dark Harvest is a noobtrap even for all-in comps. Ban Leona since she's tanky and her engage ignores your weaving in the wave. A high Elo Chinese Kat also messed around with Cosmic Drive first item. Fiendish Codex and Kindlegem's Haste makes a 5-second Q spam unbearable for even sustain duos. Use W only to reset E so you have it up every time you Q poke. You will almost never lose lane pressure with this. Build Rylai's second and it's pretty gross with how much damage you can soak, afterwards you build Liandry's for damage upkeep and final item Zhonya's/Abyssal/Thornmail/Situational. Hope this brings to light how Riot has absolutely no idea what they're doing with these Kat changes.
@@Binzuhim Yes. If you take Ignite TP, back at 800g for Dark Seal, Boots and Refill + Sweeper. Get Fiendish Codex first then Kindlegem for 5-seconds on Q. The poke is too oppressive for pretty much any sustain support to consistently shield and heal from.
I´ve been trying it with comet instead, against some poke champs it´s easy to proc it, its more damage per single ability but it could miss more than aery, not a big fan of aery but im definitely trying aery now
Think it through matchup wise, but Grasp of the undying is good for bruiser build games where you won't win long skirmishes vs another conq champ. Good for yasuo, yone, etc I've been finding
Just faced a mirror matchup against an AD Kat OTP. She was building AD with Conqueror. Is AD still viable? I enjoyed her much more with AD builds as it was easier to farm for me.
Aery works because it's reliable, it can't be dodged unlike Comet and it doesn't really have a cooldown Dark Harvest is just not very good on Kat, it's best paired with DoTs (Teemo, Fiddle) or multi hit ad champs (Kayn, Kha'zix) Electrocute or Conqueror are still her best and most consistent options overall, it's better to stick to those in most cases
@@excalibur8147 Q on kata is more important than E for damage purpose in most situation. On-hit nerf on ult change nothing for ap kata if you don't play tooth. and even if you do, the nerf is not really impactful for ap kata because it's a little nerf on a already very little part of her damage portion (remember i'm still talking for ap kat only) conclusion the on hit nerf and E nerf only really impact AD kata which was the purpose where it only touch ap kata a bit on the other hand. Flat damage nerf or ratio nerf on Q ult or Passive is way more impacting for kata ap
Wow who could have possibly seen this coming. Nerf the abilities that require interacting with the opponent and buff the braindead ability that requires no commitment.
But she still took a nerf at the end by nerfing E + ont Hit R. The final Q buff is only +20dmg lvl 5 and 5% ap (80/110/140/170/200 +35% =>80/115/150/185/220 +40%). it's clearly not insane, the runes did everything
tbh, that's delusional from kata mains to play aery with liandry, its actually weaker than the normal electrocute/conqueror setup with sudden impact. Aery doesnt provide a lot of damage, you can still poke with Q without aery. And liandry just delays katarina powerspike, its an ok item, still good, but generally kat mains are complaining about lannig phase (so before first item), so why using an early bully rune to buy an early bully item.
@@domebence2547 yes it is basically the only good point beside being good on tank, and making garen malzh and malphite passive reset slower. the thing is in practice those 3 more sec rarely are being used. you either die kill or escape the fight before 3s of incapability to deal damage to the target you hurt with a spell. at least thats my experience. oh i forgot another good point i guess. it give 300 hp.
@@bagietson3 i am a katarina main and i agree that liandry can be situationally good (against tank) and if you really need hp, but i think the point of katarina is to focus squishes and one shot sooo
I called this as soon as they showed the nerfs to AD Kat and buffs to AP. Its so nonsensical the way they chose to buff her. Increasing the AP ratio on Q just insentivizes poking with Q over and over and then going in when they are low, as opposed to having to actually engage in a trade. And here it is, the consequences of buffing a champ incorrectly xd
wouldnt call this new, old katarina was like this, harrass with Q endlessly because she can then just goes in for the kill, the problem is that the kata ad build was so easy to play that she could just not play her strengths and just WQERE over and over for free, they finally addressed katarina on hit (which honestly idk why it was even a thing) so we are back to old katarina gameplay with normal ap items
No, the playstyle is entirely different in lane phase. You don't play to pick up daggers. You just play to get a q off as safely as possible while running away as Scorch + Sudden Impact + Aery do the work. Lichbane is about all in bursting with electrocute. While Liandries route is about just spamming q and waiting half a year to clean up leftovers.
They cannot balance Kat for the life of them 😭 making a highly mobile mage/ad assassin that’s capable of using tank,mage,assassin, and marksman items at any given point depending on what they decide to buff or nerf. They can never win with her lol might be a rework angle tbh
Are you telling me Grasp of the Undying > Iceborne gauntlet, Daedalus, AK-47, Netherite Shovel Katarina build will still be cancer to play against? Noooo way, who would've thought. Wow.
This is just an off rune page Kata build.. The players would of done the same results with electrocute standard. AND this ONLY works on actual mid laners, not the 90% of the time bruiser/tank top champ midlane pickers. If you dont got red side for counter picking/safe lock, welcome to the GAREN-RENEKTON-ORNN-MALPHITE-AATROX midlane. Etc.
It's unreliable, Kat doesn't have any form of slow or cc so the enemy can dodge comet with relative ease, aery does less damage but it's a guaranteed hit
Nah but this build actually works. Aery, Sudden Impact, Scorch and Doran's Shield against ranged champions who normally abuse the shit out of Kat's laning phase are suddenly easy matchups. A few days ago I did this against a Corki and I couldn't believe how strong it is. Even when I'm low and he's almost full HP. I just sit back, spam Q while E'ing back a bunch of times and suddenly I have more HP than him.
This is not the answer, but it is a new playstyle. The KR victims are expressing their bewilderment. It seems to be known overseas as well.
For existing players, I recommend going for Lich Bane instead of Liandry's
Katarina was nerfed because she was too strong, but she still seems to be doing okay.
These are the mains using Aery Katarina
www.deeplol.gg/summoner/kr/%ED%8F%AC%EB%87%A8%EC%9D%98%20%EC%A7%80%EB%8A%90%EB%9F%AC%EB%AF%B8-KR1
www.deeplol.gg/summoner/kr/Anton%20Chigurh-cex%EA%B8%B0%EA%B3%84
www.deeplol.gg/summoner/kr/Green-KR654
what about katevolved who started it?(i believe)
I'm glad they nerfed her
Hi, i wonder what's your opinion on new kha'zix build popin up, HoB with ghostblade profane seryldas into sundered sky and triforce?
on hit katarina with conqueror still better
@@五元-o6x on hit just got nerfed my guy x)
As a Kat player, im just having identity crisis with every passing season. Once Kat was a mobile AP assassin, then she was a AD caster with Kraken and on hit, then she was a mobile bruiser with Divide Sunderer, then a AP on hit, and now a poke mage in lane
Agreed, been playing her since season 3 and now She is the most wild and unstable champion in league
i just miss the old kat… even now on hit build is stronger lol mage items sucks riot loves bruisers more
Tank Kat top was so much fun.
She also was played as a tank with grasp
@@jameshuang2677 The most funny time for Kat was just after her rework: first item long sword, reach lvl 3 and just do a complete and extended combo for a free first blood with a 90% sucess.
now THIS is called motion
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I find that playstyle interesting. Do you think it's worth learning to play it consistently, or will it likely become unusable soon due to meta changes?
@@exunektes7193its league of legends of course its going to change bro
Is katarina still weak?
She's A tier rn probably @@window9213
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No wonder I saw so much of this Aery Kat on the rift lately. I first saw it from KatEvolved. Didn't think it'd be popular in KR too.
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yes I love it, the only champ allowed to be a poke mage, ad assassin, ap assassin, tank assassin, tank bruiser, without being labelled a troll
Kat was one of those kids who were told they could be anything they dreamed of when they grew up
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Who would have guessed after they buffed her Q? Leave it to Riot to turn every assassin a poke oriented pick.
They did it with Zed and now they are doing it with Kata.
zed was supposed to be a poke based assassin early game no? you hit your combos and you can kill with ignite lvl 6, thats how it used to go
@@domebence2547 Yeah and how do you counter that? You barely can. With Katarina you can at least catch her on times where wave is far so she can't escape with E or poke her. Zed can just always W his way out and farm from afar, or even damage mages more than they can him, it's not that easy to plan a gank when Zed uses his W, all timing has to be in spot, and even then he can still escape, what are mages gonna do? Kill him when he can just poke or farm from a distance? Wild design man
@@hashinemiretsien9920 i think u kinda missed my point, thinking i was defending zed, read again.
Bring back gunblade 🙏
Nooo
@@drake7038 they add skill and outplay potential, like in Dota
@@rebelfriend1818 and at which point gunblade offered skill or outplay? You basically press it every time you go all in
(unless you mean situations where people forget to press an item because they are not used to it)
I've played against this kind of build and it was annoying. Infinity dashes, burn, and burst. It does fall off later, but most games end long before that's relevant.
isnt this from Katevolved the build ?
Yes, we had this on kat main subreddit before the patch even went live.
people are finally learning, im so proud
How many champions that countered by Pantheon because of his E?
this is basically old kat before the on-hit rework. W preparation so your next Q doesnt get reduced damage from hitting minions and you just chip away at them until you can all in with E-R.
I was about to send you a message to put this on your radar, so I'm glad you covered this.
People have also been playing this Support, similar to Leblanc. Seems like a troll at first, but the poke early with Sudden Impact (E back) makes for an extremely oppressive lane phase at roughly 120~130 per Q total on a squishy at Lv1. You are basically a manaless pre-rework Pantheon.
For more pressure, take TP Ignite and make an early recall for Dark Seal + Boots + Refill + Sweeper.
Comet is somewhat viable against immobile bot duos such as ADCs with no Fleet and aren't Jhin, no Pyke/Janna/Zilean etc. Dark Harvest is a noobtrap even for all-in comps. Ban Leona since she's tanky and her engage ignores your weaving in the wave.
A high Elo Chinese Kat also messed around with Cosmic Drive first item. Fiendish Codex and Kindlegem's Haste makes a 5-second Q spam unbearable for even sustain duos. Use W only to reset E so you have it up every time you Q poke. You will almost never lose lane pressure with this.
Build Rylai's second and it's pretty gross with how much damage you can soak, afterwards you build Liandry's for damage upkeep and final item Zhonya's/Abyssal/Thornmail/Situational.
Hope this brings to light how Riot has absolutely no idea what they're doing with these Kat changes.
just tried this and its shit cheers
so you buy cosmic drive first rylias and then liandrys?
@@Binzuhim Yes. If you take Ignite TP, back at 800g for Dark Seal, Boots and Refill + Sweeper. Get Fiendish Codex first then Kindlegem for 5-seconds on Q. The poke is too oppressive for pretty much any sustain support to consistently shield and heal from.
@@Binzuhim Pretty much. The CDR from Cosmic Drive and the movespeed paired with Relentless Hunter is what they were after.
I need fanart of katarina petting aery
a 589123th Katarina build has hit the rift
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folkenburger build
Kata is a kind of champs that cool with almost any build u want to cook. Even crit or lethality.
as a kassadin one trick, i never had any problems with katarina anyway
yea this build prolly still don't annoy you as long as you press Q when she Q you. it's ad that is more annoying
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Duhhhhh xddddd, free matchup af
It used to be free lane for kass but after the onhit changes on her ult and allowing kata to build ad its kata favor matchup now
@@Polish_craKKKa even with ad i believe a kass still beat kata late in 1v1, make the lane harder tho obviously. which can snowball easily if u fail.
I´ve been trying it with comet instead, against some poke champs it´s easy to proc it, its more damage per single ability but it could miss more than aery, not a big fan of aery but im definitely trying aery now
Aery doesn't miss so yes, comet definitely misses more than aery.
A lot of champs can just dodge comet. Aery it's overall better because it doesn't miss even though it is less damage per proc
PEAK CANCER is not what I expect to see on Dobby's thumbnails lmao
lmaoooooo i remember Riot August making a comment about this potentially being a problem on his stream a while ago
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great vid, but I wish I were that good at kat to do things like dodging zed q at 1:47
Think it through matchup wise, but Grasp of the undying is good for bruiser build games where you won't win long skirmishes vs another conq champ. Good for yasuo, yone, etc I've been finding
Just faced a mirror matchup against an AD Kat OTP. She was building AD with Conqueror.
Is AD still viable?
I enjoyed her much more with AD builds as it was easier to farm for me.
Nah the professional showing the world how it's done
I can never understand katarina 3rd, its longer than flash and shorter cd but sometimes they only dash 2 times or they got blink step with bankai
Daamn nice kata :o
this build was found by katevolved i think, he had a stream weeks back testing out this exact build
wrong it was yimit
next vid on Sett please! I need one on his new builds!
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Sorry Im noob, its not Aery supposed to be a rune for supports? Why not dark harvest electrocute or conqueror?
Aery works because it's reliable, it can't be dodged unlike Comet and it doesn't really have a cooldown
Dark Harvest is just not very good on Kat, it's best paired with DoTs (Teemo, Fiddle) or multi hit ad champs (Kayn, Kha'zix)
Electrocute or Conqueror are still her best and most consistent options overall, it's better to stick to those in most cases
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This new playstyle is so fun. I play it a lot!!!
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Zed with extra steps pretty much
The champ only weakness is laning phase.
RIOT balance team: "Let's buff her only weakness AND her Items, surely It will be fine right?"
Riot is 100% kneecapping this. They hate uninteractive lanes like this
Already nerfed her q, but they forgot about how they traded buff on her q to nerf onhit and e, now they nerfed q and onhit+e will stay nerfed :D
@@excalibur8147 they only took away half of the previous buff tbf
Yet, every new champ basically fits this description. Kinda sad how only old champs never get a chance to shine with new changes.
@@excalibur8147 Q on kata is more important than E for damage purpose in most situation. On-hit nerf on ult change nothing for ap kata if you don't play tooth. and even if you do, the nerf is not really impactful for ap kata because it's a little nerf on a already very little part of her damage portion (remember i'm still talking for ap kat only) conclusion the on hit nerf and E nerf only really impact AD kata which was the purpose where it only touch ap kata a bit on the other hand.
Flat damage nerf or ratio nerf on Q ult or Passive is way more impacting for kata ap
"they hate uninteractive lanes" no they don't lmao.
finally, something that is not tank or on hit katarina
Almost every one of his videos are not tank or on hit katarina....
literally on hit is still broken lol dw
This kata can play anything and still win 😂😂😂😂
Still good after nerf?
her Q just got nerfed
Wow who could have possibly seen this coming. Nerf the abilities that require interacting with the opponent and buff the braindead ability that requires no commitment.
most comedian video i've ever watched
Wdym?
if aerys gets nerfed im reporting this video
But she still took a nerf at the end by nerfing E + ont Hit R. The final Q buff is only +20dmg lvl 5 and 5% ap (80/110/140/170/200 +35% =>80/115/150/185/220 +40%). it's clearly not insane, the runes did everything
You can't convince me kata main can build whatever they want and get away with it.
Sad even this didn't help the professional not to ban highlight channels
6:10 what woke her up ? liadry burn? how?
Turret shot
tbh, that's delusional from kata mains to play aery with liandry, its actually weaker than the normal electrocute/conqueror setup with sudden impact. Aery doesnt provide a lot of damage, you can still poke with Q without aery. And liandry just delays katarina powerspike, its an ok item, still good, but generally kat mains are complaining about lannig phase (so before first item), so why using an early bully rune to buy an early bully item.
yea i think the liandry is a bait too most of the time, tho you still wanna replace this poke item, so you usually wanna go alternator hextech
liandry is an insanely good item on kata because you have like 3 more seconds to get your resets without hitting a spell on the enemy:))
@@domebence2547 yes it is basically the only good point beside being good on tank, and making garen malzh and malphite passive reset slower. the thing is in practice those 3 more sec rarely are being used. you either die kill or escape the fight before 3s of incapability to deal damage to the target you hurt with a spell. at least thats my experience. oh i forgot another good point i guess. it give 300 hp.
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@@bagietson3 i am a katarina main and i agree that liandry can be situationally good (against tank) and if you really need hp, but i think the point of katarina is to focus squishes and one shot sooo
That's nerfed AT this patch 14.17 riot doesn't like assassin who's only runs on u to poke chunk HP and retreat
I called this as soon as they showed the nerfs to AD Kat and buffs to AP. Its so nonsensical the way they chose to buff her. Increasing the AP ratio on Q just insentivizes poking with Q over and over and then going in when they are low, as opposed to having to actually engage in a trade. And here it is, the consequences of buffing a champ incorrectly xd
90% of mid lane champions do nothing but poke and only all in when enemy is below 30%.
They have no idea what to do with kat… even after nerfs u can still see braindead on hit build oneshot u
should maybe mention that katevolved invented it
wouldnt call this new, old katarina was like this, harrass with Q endlessly because she can then just goes in for the kill, the problem is that the kata ad build was so easy to play that she could just not play her strengths and just WQERE over and over for free, they finally addressed katarina on hit (which honestly idk why it was even a thing) so we are back to old katarina gameplay with normal ap items
No, the playstyle is entirely different in lane phase. You don't play to pick up daggers. You just play to get a q off as safely as possible while running away as Scorch + Sudden Impact + Aery do the work.
Lichbane is about all in bursting with electrocute. While Liandries route is about just spamming q and waiting half a year to clean up leftovers.
Not really. On hit is still broken sadly
They need to nerf bruisers and indirectly ad kat
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Disclaimer: it only works if you've actually got a team to help you.
They cannot balance Kat for the life of them 😭 making a highly mobile mage/ad assassin that’s capable of using tank,mage,assassin, and marksman items at any given point depending on what they decide to buff or nerf. They can never win with her lol might be a rework angle tbh
I prefer this playstyle over conqueror triumph kat who just brainlessly heals from chain kills cuz triumph is broken
she is good without runes bro
Are you telling me Grasp of the Undying > Iceborne gauntlet, Daedalus, AK-47, Netherite Shovel Katarina build will still be cancer to play against? Noooo way, who would've thought. Wow.
This is just an off rune page Kata build.. The players would of done the same results with electrocute standard. AND this ONLY works on actual mid laners, not the 90% of the time bruiser/tank top champ midlane pickers. If you dont got red side for counter picking/safe lock, welcome to the GAREN-RENEKTON-ORNN-MALPHITE-AATROX midlane. Etc.
the legal K champ DISH DISH DISH
the question is: is the build strong or are the players?
The real answer is the opposing players are bad and these clips only showcase favorable matchups.
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this is katevolved's build
yimit gameplay
This is not from KR this is from KatEvolved right?
its yamatosdeath, he did a korea trip
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Katevolved was right all along
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MOTS !!
a whole patch too late
why is korea always being taken over?
why not comet?
It's unreliable, Kat doesn't have any form of slow or cc so the enemy can dodge comet with relative ease, aery does less damage but it's a guaranteed hit
"katarina" "strong lane" pick one
Nah but this build actually works.
Aery, Sudden Impact, Scorch and Doran's Shield against ranged champions who normally abuse the shit out of Kat's laning phase are suddenly easy matchups.
A few days ago I did this against a Corki and I couldn't believe how strong it is. Even when I'm low and he's almost full HP. I just sit back, spam Q while E'ing back a bunch of times and suddenly I have more HP than him.
@@rivershen8199 No the build does not work. You're just playing against terrible players.
@@dazeen9591 Alright you know better than challenger Katarina's then
@@rivershen8199 you aren't challenger katarina
@@dazeen9591 KatEvolved is
didnt he only get low masta tho
it was nerfed with the patch
He rushes lich bane...
I didn't see Katarina in one of my games since S11 except in aram :) smd kata mains
It was already nerfed btw
yes the semi reverse of the kata buff is sad. but now that i tasted of this build, having this kind of power on lane is really satisfying
I've been sayin it for years
i see nothing uncommon for katarina here
Too late since the q nerf aery kata is over
I mean Aery is currently under 45% wr on most servers lol
A lot of people playing with Aery are usually just playing the build wrong or not using a good build at all and just trolling.
and i have 75% with it ^^
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