'Bloodlands' is a most disturbing yet enlightening book. I have had to stop listening several times when details of the atrocities committed by the Soviets and Nazis became overwhelming. In the end I am grateful for the informations Timothy Snyder has shared.
This should be required reading/listening in high school, with open discussions encouraged. I grew up in Florida, in areas where there was a large Jewish population. My Jewish friends all had family ancestors who perished in the holocaust. They all were traumatized by their history and never wanted to share what happened to their family members. Even as a child I sensed a haunting sadness in some of my friends' families. I first became aware of the holocaust after attending a performance of the play about Anne Frank. I will never forget the terrifying end of pounding of German soldiers boots on the attic stairs. I have very warm memories of how my Jewish girlfriends welcomed me into their family celebrations such as Passover. I was always jealous of the love they had for each other as my own family seemed to have none. I am horrified by a recent report of how few young people know anything about the murder of millions of humans in Europe. How can this be????
@@mgway4661 are you insane? This history is absolutely required for people to understand why the world is the way it is and why the 20th century can happen again. You equating a required book on a school list to government authority shows how much you lack historical knowledge. Totalitarianism in any form is awful, left or right. This is an absolute necessity to beat into the public mind.
Snyder is self evidently beyond the rest, he goes further, deeper and can also write eloquently and movingly which exacerbates the impact of his material. His accounts are truly withering even for one who has read everything and heard everything on this subject over for forty years, partly I think because he excels in transmitting as a priority the individual’s unimaginable suffering and never in a constructed or contrived manner like some other historians tend to. If you read just one book on the Holocaust and Stalin’s great terror it should surely be this one.
The number of dead becomes mind-numbing after a while, as well it should. I love a good war movie for entertainment, but I never forget the truth when i'm watching fiction--true war is horrifying.
Death, especially wrongful death, should never be allowed to become "mind numbing". Too much of anything naturally has a numbing effect on the psyche, but if it involves torment on others it should be stopped if at all possible before it gets to that point.
The way the numbers get rattled off is UNREAL. ONE MILLION FOUR HUNDRED THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND and twenty nine cents ??? THE SICKEST PART IS THAT IT ALWAYS STARTS AT ONE
This book was simply heartbreaking. Statistics so large are horrifying when you think of each life individually. I was also struck by a feeling of rebellion, that not one life should have been lost without a fight back in any little way. Liberty and stability are so fragile.
The Jews suffered immensely but the Poles, Ukranians, Belorusians and people of the Bloodlands suffered just as much if not more with the collective farms of Stalin etc. and most people of the world don't even know about it unless you are a History major!!!! SadSad Sad !!!!!
I never knew of holodomor in ukraine. My mother never spoke about it. I only just found out this year. Victims were not allowed to speak about russian holodomor
it's very upsetting because literally most NOOOO ONE knows about ALL THE EVIL STALIN DID!!! WHY?? BECAUSE ITS ALWAYS THE WINNING OF WARS WHO WRITE HISTORY. SAD ASF BUT TRUE.
The mass killings were known. There were Americans that were in russia, hired during the depression to do skilled work in the USSR. Ounce there Stalin got paranoid about them and wouldn't let them leave and in the times of Stalin's purges he killed them off too. The American embassy knew of these things because the Americans tried to get replacement passports and help getting back to America but were denied. About the allies thing, you ever hear of the enemy of my enemy is my friend?? Of course we let Russia figbt Germany too, what else were we supposed to do?
THE INTL WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS IN EARLY 1944 BEGGED BEGGED FDR TO BOMB THE OVENS AT AUSWITCZ TO SLOW THE GASSINGS DOWN BECAUSE THE RUSSIANS WERE GETTING CLOSE. CLOSER. he said no. shalom
I think it's partly answered in the conclusion. Continuous identifying with the victims of history and as victims on impulse, exaggerating claims to make points, and not trying to be accurate are some of the key problems. How many people do you know who say "oh, I don't really like history" only to then easily say things like "oh my God, he's a NAZI!"? I about explode inside when I hear someone say something to the effect of "the Soviets actually killed more than the NAZIS," or "the NAZIS were really left-wing", or "the Soviets were really right-wing." Snyder explains repeatedly in the book how "the crimes of the other" were always good propaganda. Latching onto the truths of crimes from "the other side" invites crimes from our own and from ourselves. There's a Polish film called "Katyn", about the Katyn massacre. It's worth the watch, though it's hard to find. I found a DVD in English on Amazon that works in American dvd players, but I HIHGLY recommend it.
5:47:37 to 5:47:48 "The human capacity for victomhood is apparently limitless. And people who believe they are victims can be motivated to perform acts of great violence." The American left's politics of recent years flashed through my head when I heard this line. And it gave me chills. It seems to me people aspire to be victims and therefore are easily fooled into believing they are.
Snyder talks about the Allied soldiers finding the germans more friendly than the french in normandy and they felt sorry for them. Wonder if they would have thought the same if they had fought in the east? What the germans did there in Soviet Union Poland etc, no wonder the Soviets exacted revenge upon them.
For some reason this is listed with a runtime of 19 hours and 44 minutes on audible and google play. Does anybody know whether that actually includes roughly 1.5h worth of extra content or is their listing wrong and it's actually around 18 hours and 15 minutes as well?
The scary part is even today the only things stopping some from doing all this again is financial, societal, popularity, etc ever think about what would happen if your neighbor ruled the country? Deep down dark inside, what would you do?
1:10:05 I was a bit surprised that I'd not known that so I looked it up From wikipedia Szmul Zygielbojm did write the critical (damning) note and then commit suicide but not by burning him self in front of parliament. Does anyone know where the discrepancy comes from ?
I’m not sure why Szmul’s self immolation isn’t documented in Wiki. Sometimes Wiki is not complete with information, but that is what happened. Jan Karski spoke of it in a documentary and I believe it’s in his book: ‘Karski and the Lords of Humanity.’ I’ve read it in other sources but sorry, I can’t be certain which ones.
36:00 polish versus Jewish experiences during the war 43:10 1:23:45 the strategic problem of Poland 1:44:50 Stalin's logic on the Warsaw uprising 2:00:00 NKVD returns 2:57:40 3:12:17 Soviet suffering 3:21:18 The myth of The Great Patriotic War
To think that Stalin faced no consequences for what he did. There is no justice in the world. Today, 56% of Russians think that he was the greatest leader of Russia of all time, according to Levada Center.
1:08:20 In the ghetto functioned two military organizations. Jewish Combat Organization, a communist pro Russian, openly anti-Polish organization, and the Jewish Military Union that was anticommunist, pro-Polish. Jewish Combat Organization did not actively participate in the uprising., most of its members survived the uprising. After the uprising, they appropriated all the glory and the heroism of JMU. Poles didn't trust JCO because of the testimonies of the other Jews who survived the uprising and their anti-Polish communist orientation. Strange that this important information was left out.
I’m Ukrainian, and my grandma told me horrible cannibalistic stories from the Ukrainian Golodomor in Poltava region, how her distant relatives shared with her that some ate up their kids, then gone insane and hung themselves.
Any American that calls WW2 "The Good War" is totaly ignorant of the events of the worldwide carnage. I've never heard that term and as an American take offense to the statement as if we mock or are blind to world history. Ridiculous statement sir!
Jeremy Bear 'The Good War' is the title of a book by American author Studs Terkle which won Terkle the Pulitzer Prize. It consists of over 100 interviews Turkle did with veterans of WWII. One of the interviewees called it a 'good war' to see fascism defeated.
@Marcos 989 no. you don't know your history. War with Germany was not automatic after Japan attacked the US- Germany was under no treaty obligation to support Japan (this is an indisputable fact- hence the fact that Japan never declared war on the USSR) The reason Hitler declared war on the US was to open of his unrestricted Submarine warfare campaign against the US- all throughout 191 the US had been giving increasing aid to first the British Empire and afterword the USSR both with Lend Lease and later with the US "security zone" it established that claimed large parts of the Atlantic Ocean as areas critical to US security and therefore enforced a zero tolerance policy on U-Boat operations. This is what you result in the Sinking of the USS Reuben James and a partial withdraw of German U-Boats from western waters. Hitler declared war on the US because 1. US Lend Lease support to the USSR and UK was a threat 2. he wanted unrestricted submarine war to counter this 3. he believed the US would focus on a Japan first strategy and America's industrial output could not mobilize enough to support a two front war forcing the US to put only a small amount toward European war- which his U-Boats could defeat (or so he thought) regarding the US only fighting "a defensive war" and not "fighting fascism" is is proven wrong by the fact that the US chose a "Germany first" strategy" even though Japan had attacked the US and was a greater threat (to the US) (Germany was considered a greater threat globally.) "Nazism" only reached the level of evil in the peoples mind AFTER the Holocaust was discovered- other than that Nazism was just another authoritarian ideology that was extremely aggressive and not much worse than say Marxism and the USSR. the primary grievance that most had against Germany prior to the mass murders was Germany's utter lack of respect for treaties, other nations sovereignty and basic international convention.
I read this book many years ago, and it was TERRIBLE what Stalin and Hitler made to their people. I will NEVER could ŕead this book again..... Mike From San Andres Great Buenos Aires Argentina
Exhaustive and exhausting. Thoroughly researched but unnecessarily repetitive. Important that the homicidal and genocidal policies of Hitler and Stalin are considered in parallel. Also important to highlight that much of the mass killing couldn't have happened without the complicity of local populations. Eugenics, racism, anti-semitism were, are and always will be unacceptable and objectionable.
"In Operation Vistula ... Ukrainians or people identified as such..." My great grandfather's family was of Rusyn descent. They were deported to Western Poland.
It's interesting that the authors first couple lines of I guess it's the forward or maybe it would be the dust jacket description, whatever, in any case it goes out of the way to point out that many Americans thought of War Two as "The Good War". It then goes on to say that the ally America chose to fight Hitler with--doesn't say Russia or The USSR it says Stalin and then points out how our great buddy uncle Joe murdered sixty million people, murdered people all during the war and long afterward... I don't get why the author believed it necessary to twist the facts to try and fit the lame narrative alluded to but whatever. It is not lie that Russia and the western allied nations fought as allies. England initially reached out the hand of cooperation right after Hitler invaded Poland after France had fallen and just after they had when n the Battle of Britain. Many then believed Germany might actually conquer and imprison the world, enslaving everyone. Because of this nobody was going to be picky or snobby about anyone or any other nation willing to help fight what most viewed as the greatest evil in perhaps a thousand or more years. Sorry we can't help or be helped by you in our fight for survival because your countries leader has also murdered innocents although at this time right now after pearl harbor attack we have no idea of how many murdered or if it actually happened, it's mostly rumors escaping out not, no real proofs yet, but still fight him on your own Russia and make Hitler's job of defeating us far far easier. So as I said, I don't get the point of what he said, at all....
About 30 yrs ago I met a reunion party of about a doz of Pattons black tankers going to a unit ww2 vets I think it was 50 yr reunion appx and was in Cleveland Ohio. I was waiting for my connection flight and being a vet I recognized the shoulder patch of their unit. I walked over introduced myself as a brother vet and bought beers and asked them to tell me their story. I cannot remember which camp exactly they liberated in Bavaria maybe was treblinka?? Anyways they told me they were appx 5 miles downwind from the camp and could smell the rotting corpses even b4 they could see the camp 4 to 5 miles away. My grandmother born in 1902 by the merciful grace of god got to USA with her father thus survived otherwise my life never would have happened. I’ve also lost uncles and aunts and cousins I’ve never met because they WILLINGLY gave their lives in military service in USA fighting these malignant mass murdering commies and Nazis. You kids today have no clue. None. IT COULD HAVE GONE THE OTHER WAY. THE WAR. NEVER FORGET. NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER AGAIN. shalom
Pure narration of Jewish murder, need we be prompted to remember that the overwhelming majority of deaths were indeed non Jewish or must we continue with this agenda? Please let's hope we hear truth so our children can pass it on with no prejudice?
'Bloodlands' is a most disturbing yet enlightening book. I have had to stop listening several times when details of the atrocities committed by the Soviets and Nazis became overwhelming. In the end I am grateful for the informations Timothy Snyder has shared.
This should be required reading/listening in high school, with open discussions encouraged. I grew up in Florida, in areas where there was a large Jewish population. My Jewish friends all had family ancestors who perished in the holocaust. They all were traumatized by their history and never wanted to share what happened to their family members. Even as a child I sensed a haunting sadness in some of my friends' families. I first became aware of the holocaust after attending a performance of the play about Anne Frank. I will never forget the terrifying end of pounding of German soldiers boots on the attic stairs. I have very warm memories of how my Jewish girlfriends welcomed me into their family celebrations such as Passover. I was always jealous of the love they had for each other as my own family seemed to have none. I am horrified by a recent report of how few young people know anything about the murder of millions of humans in Europe. How can this be????
requirements from governments is what lead to these events
@@mgway4661 "requirements" apparently happily fulfilled by willing citizens and soldiers
@@mgway4661 are you insane? This history is absolutely required for people to understand why the world is the way it is and why the 20th century can happen again. You equating a required book on a school list to government authority shows how much you lack historical knowledge. Totalitarianism in any form is awful, left or right. This is an absolute necessity to beat into the public mind.
Snyder is self evidently beyond the rest, he goes further, deeper and can also write eloquently and movingly which exacerbates the impact of his material. His accounts are truly withering even for one who has read everything and heard everything on this subject over for forty years, partly I think because he excels in transmitting as a priority the individual’s unimaginable suffering and never in a constructed or contrived manner like some other historians tend to. If you read just one book on the Holocaust and Stalin’s great terror it should surely be this one.
Amazing book, should be required reading in all European and American schools….. Thank you for sharing Your passion for history 🙏🏼
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The number of dead becomes mind-numbing after a while, as well it should. I love a good war movie for entertainment, but I never forget the truth when i'm watching fiction--true war is horrifying.
Death, especially wrongful death, should never be allowed to become "mind numbing". Too much of anything naturally has a numbing effect on the psyche, but if it involves torment on others it should be stopped if at all possible before it gets to that point.
I dont think you listened to the book. Not much about war any where in this book so far
Keep your heart soft..dont ever allow it to beco.e numb no matter how much it hurts. My family lived through all of this
The way the numbers get rattled off is UNREAL. ONE MILLION FOUR HUNDRED THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND and twenty nine cents ??? THE SICKEST PART IS THAT IT ALWAYS STARTS AT ONE
This book was simply heartbreaking. Statistics so large are horrifying when you think of each life individually. I was also struck by a feeling of rebellion, that not one life should have been lost without a fight back in any little way. Liberty and stability are so fragile.
Good thing it's made up. But by all means, be scared into subservience to the modern day wage slavery of capitalism.
@@aerion4077 idiot.
@@aerion4077 people like you are the reason education system are a failure. Functionality illiterate and ignorant
The Jews suffered immensely but the Poles, Ukranians, Belorusians and people of the Bloodlands suffered just as much if not more with the collective farms of Stalin etc. and most people of the world don't even know about it unless you are a History major!!!! SadSad Sad !!!!!
Shout!
I agree theres not enough emphasis on this story of what Stalin did to his own people. He didn't care about his people at all.
I never knew of holodomor in ukraine. My mother never spoke about it. I only just found out this year. Victims were not allowed to speak about russian holodomor
it's very upsetting because literally most NOOOO ONE knows about ALL THE EVIL STALIN DID!!! WHY?? BECAUSE ITS ALWAYS THE WINNING OF WARS WHO WRITE HISTORY. SAD ASF BUT TRUE.
It’s not a competition. And the Jews were by population percentage
The mass killings were known. There were Americans that were in russia, hired during the depression to do skilled work in the USSR. Ounce there Stalin got paranoid about them and wouldn't let them leave and in the times of Stalin's purges he killed them off too. The American embassy knew of these things because the Americans tried to get replacement passports and help getting back to America but were denied.
About the allies thing, you ever hear of the enemy of my enemy is my friend?? Of course we let Russia figbt Germany too, what else were we supposed to do?
THE INTL WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS IN EARLY 1944 BEGGED BEGGED FDR TO BOMB THE OVENS AT AUSWITCZ TO SLOW THE GASSINGS DOWN BECAUSE THE RUSSIANS WERE GETTING CLOSE. CLOSER. he said no. shalom
As many as 3000 us citizens and service men never returned as i understand
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9: Resistance and Incineration 32:15
10: Ethnic Cleansings 2:02:43
11: Stalinist Anti-Semitism 3:06:21
12: Conclusion 4:51:10
How can it be that we as human beings can be so awful to ourselves and the world We will live in shame for an eternity
I think it's partly answered in the conclusion. Continuous identifying with the victims of history and as victims on impulse, exaggerating claims to make points, and not trying to be accurate are some of the key problems. How many people do you know who say "oh, I don't really like history" only to then easily say things like "oh my God, he's a NAZI!"? I about explode inside when I hear someone say something to the effect of "the Soviets actually killed more than the NAZIS," or "the NAZIS were really left-wing", or "the Soviets were really right-wing." Snyder explains repeatedly in the book how "the crimes of the other" were always good propaganda. Latching onto the truths of crimes from "the other side" invites crimes from our own and from ourselves. There's a Polish film called "Katyn", about the Katyn massacre. It's worth the watch, though it's hard to find. I found a DVD in English on Amazon that works in American dvd players, but I HIHGLY recommend it.
Wow that was depressing and quite disturbing, thank you!
5:47:37 to 5:47:48 "The human capacity for victomhood is apparently limitless. And people who believe they are victims can be motivated to perform acts of great violence." The American left's politics of recent years flashed through my head when I heard this line. And it gave me chills. It seems to me people aspire to be victims and therefore are easily fooled into believing they are.
I had the same thought. Well said.
Yeah I been seeing this perceived victim hood a lot among people whose communities had and continues to have a monopoly on power i.e. white people
sounds like you suffer from this
The Poles were inthe middle between Hitler or Stalin it's the frying pan or the fire
Thank you very much for this complete audio book in its two parts. 🕊 We should all know this
LEARN TO KNOW AND RECOGNIZE EVIL OR BE CONSUMED BY IT ??? yes or no
I've had a better education with audiobooks than history at school it's shocking
Snyder talks about the Allied soldiers finding the germans more friendly than the french in normandy and they felt sorry for them. Wonder if they would have thought the same if they had fought in the east? What the germans did there in Soviet Union Poland etc, no wonder the Soviets exacted revenge upon them.
Didn't know
You shouldve listened to the book,, then you'd see the numbers are considerably higher under stalin. Plus look at Stalin's order 0428
@@krakrtreacysr907 NAZI apologist
Thank you so so much for having share this book with us
For some reason this is listed with a runtime of 19 hours and 44 minutes on audible and google play. Does anybody know whether that actually includes roughly 1.5h worth of extra content or is their listing wrong and it's actually around 18 hours and 15 minutes as well?
Thank you so much for uploading. I’ve read your books some time ago and now I have time to listen to them again.
The main question during the Holocaust wasn't where was God it was where was man?
Some doing the evil and others suffering it.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 While still others conceived evil, with not enough acting to stop it.
The scary part is even today the only things stopping some from doing all this again is financial, societal, popularity, etc ever think about what would happen if your neighbor ruled the country? Deep down dark inside, what would you do?
We know exactly where satan was
1:10:05 I was a bit surprised that I'd not known that so I looked it up
From wikipedia
Szmul Zygielbojm did write the critical (damning) note and then commit suicide but not by burning him self in front of parliament.
Does anyone know where the discrepancy comes from ?
I’m not sure why Szmul’s self immolation isn’t documented in Wiki. Sometimes Wiki is not complete with information, but that is what happened. Jan Karski spoke of it in a documentary and I believe it’s in his book: ‘Karski and the Lords of Humanity.’ I’ve read it in other sources but sorry, I can’t be certain which ones.
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Thanks No names.
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lucy hala Thank you!
They didn't know or have anything to do with the nazi atrocities
Ruthless times 🤢
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
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@@DaveSCameron he means hell on Earth
@@DarkKing009 I think he's actually referring to the narrator
That's the voice of Martin Septim from Oblivion 😂😂😂
Is it strange that I have been sleeping to this for weeks?
The narrator is relaxing, even with the horrifying content. It’s paradoxical
@@jaik195701 Also the voice of Grandmaster Jauffre in Oblivion
36:00 polish versus Jewish experiences during the war
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1:23:45 the strategic problem of Poland
1:44:50 Stalin's logic on the Warsaw uprising
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3:12:17 Soviet suffering
3:21:18 The myth of The Great Patriotic War
To think that Stalin faced no consequences for what he did. There is no justice in the world.
Today, 56% of Russians think that he was the greatest leader of Russia of all time, according to Levada Center.
Thank you for writing and publishing it to everyone. So we all could hopefully learn one day.
And its starting again
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A fascinating and disturbing read.
Excellent book and read !!!!
Never turn your back on a german or frenchman.
1:08:20 In the ghetto functioned two military organizations. Jewish Combat Organization, a communist pro Russian, openly anti-Polish organization, and the Jewish Military Union that was anticommunist, pro-Polish. Jewish Combat Organization did not actively participate in the uprising., most of its members survived the uprising. After the uprising, they appropriated all the glory and the heroism of JMU. Poles didn't trust JCO because of the testimonies of the other Jews who survived the uprising and their anti-Polish communist orientation. Strange that this important information was left out.
I’m Ukrainian, and my grandma told me horrible cannibalistic stories from the Ukrainian Golodomor in Poltava region, how her distant relatives shared with her that some ate up their kids, then gone insane and hung themselves.
Sheer masochism following this book . Too much for most i think .
Worth the effort
Not too much if your family went through it...its the very least i can do to honour what was to horrifying to speak. Never ever forget
Thank you for sharing.
Any American that calls WW2 "The Good War" is totaly ignorant of the events of the worldwide carnage.
I've never heard that term and as an American take offense to the statement as if we mock or are blind to world history. Ridiculous statement sir!
Jeremy Bear 'The Good War' is the title of a book by American author Studs Terkle which won Terkle the Pulitzer Prize. It consists of over 100 interviews Turkle did with veterans of WWII. One of the interviewees called it a 'good war' to see fascism defeated.
Matt Anderson Touché Sir, Touché
All the horror makes it a war fought for good reason at least.
I think you've taken the meaning wrong. You certainly have from what I've been taught about it when I was young.
@Marcos 989 no. you don't know your history. War with Germany was not automatic after Japan attacked the US- Germany was under no treaty obligation to support Japan (this is an indisputable fact- hence the fact that Japan never declared war on the USSR) The reason Hitler declared war on the US was to open of his unrestricted Submarine warfare campaign against the US- all throughout 191 the US had been giving increasing aid to first the British Empire and afterword the USSR both with Lend Lease and later with the US "security zone" it established that claimed large parts of the Atlantic Ocean as areas critical to US security and therefore enforced a zero tolerance policy on U-Boat operations. This is what you result in the Sinking of the USS Reuben James and a partial withdraw of German U-Boats from western waters.
Hitler declared war on the US because
1. US Lend Lease support to the USSR and UK was a threat
2. he wanted unrestricted submarine war to counter this
3. he believed the US would focus on a Japan first strategy and America's industrial output could not mobilize enough to support a two front war forcing the US to put only a small amount toward European war- which his U-Boats could defeat (or so he thought)
regarding the US only fighting "a defensive war" and not "fighting fascism" is is proven wrong by the fact that the US chose a "Germany first" strategy" even though Japan had attacked the US and was a greater threat (to the US) (Germany was considered a greater threat globally.)
"Nazism" only reached the level of evil in the peoples mind AFTER the Holocaust was discovered- other than that Nazism was just another authoritarian ideology that was extremely aggressive and not much worse than say Marxism and the USSR. the primary grievance that most had against Germany prior to the mass murders was Germany's utter lack of respect for treaties, other nations sovereignty and basic international convention.
An excellant book !
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I read this book many years ago, and it was TERRIBLE what Stalin and Hitler made to their people.
I will NEVER could ŕead this book again.....
Mike
From
San Andres
Great Buenos Aires
Argentina
Exhaustive and exhausting. Thoroughly researched but unnecessarily repetitive. Important that the homicidal and genocidal policies of Hitler and Stalin are considered in parallel. Also important to highlight that much of the mass killing couldn't have happened without the complicity of local populations. Eugenics, racism, anti-semitism were, are and always will be unacceptable and objectionable.
We have the same mother, you and I.
Katyn Massacre would be what chapter?
it is the third chapter, this is the second part of the book
SO GOOD
Some carry on as though only one race suferd the most. The only race I see is the human race.
Дякую!
"In Operation Vistula ... Ukrainians or people identified as such..." My great grandfather's family was of Rusyn descent. They were deported to Western Poland.
In other words people whom the Polish authorities identified as/associated with Ukrainians, not exclusively self-identifying Ukrainians
@@RuthenianModernism Yes, you're right. I just feel it's wrong to identify people in a top down totalitarian fashion.
@@vladimirskala Poland was a dictatorship back then and it seems that modern day Poland under PIS rule is becoming increasingly authoritarian too
Taylor Angela Taylor Robert Williams Angela
My family had a relative who died in a concentration camp .... Yup .... Damned fool got drunk and fell out of a guard tower .... :-(
Silly fuckwhistle
COCKWOMBLE
About as funny as himmler in a clown suit
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It's kooool
It's interesting that the authors first couple lines of I guess it's the forward or maybe it would be the dust jacket description, whatever, in any case it goes out of the way to point out that many Americans thought of War Two as "The Good War". It then goes on to say that the ally America chose to fight Hitler with--doesn't say Russia or The USSR it says Stalin and then points out how our great buddy uncle Joe murdered sixty million people, murdered people all during the war and long afterward...
I don't get why the author believed it necessary to twist the facts to try and fit the lame narrative alluded to but whatever. It is not lie that Russia and the western allied nations fought as allies. England initially reached out the hand of cooperation right after Hitler invaded Poland after France had fallen and just after they had when n the Battle of Britain.
Many then believed Germany might actually conquer and imprison the world, enslaving everyone. Because of this nobody was going to be picky or snobby about anyone or any other nation willing to help fight what most viewed as the greatest evil in perhaps a thousand or more years.
Sorry we can't help or be helped by you in our fight for survival because your countries leader has also murdered innocents although at this time right now after pearl harbor attack we have no idea of how many murdered or if it actually happened, it's mostly rumors escaping out not, no real proofs yet, but still fight him on your own Russia and make Hitler's job of defeating us far far easier.
So as I said, I don't get the point of what he said, at all....
Agreed, and there is many agenda driven narratives here, thankfully we still have alternative sources we can find to balance such rhetoric...
... And Where was GOD ? ... No more excuses - WHERE WAS GOD ?
About 30 yrs ago I met a reunion party of about a doz of Pattons black tankers going to a unit ww2 vets I think it was 50 yr reunion appx and was in Cleveland Ohio. I was waiting for my connection flight and being a vet I recognized the shoulder patch of their unit. I walked over introduced myself as a brother vet and bought beers and asked them to tell me their story. I cannot remember which camp exactly they liberated in Bavaria maybe was treblinka?? Anyways they told me they were appx 5 miles downwind from the camp and could smell the rotting corpses even b4 they could see the camp 4 to 5 miles away. My grandmother born in 1902 by the merciful grace of god got to USA with her father thus survived otherwise my life never would have happened. I’ve also lost uncles and aunts and cousins I’ve never met because they WILLINGLY gave their lives in military service in USA fighting these malignant mass murdering commies and Nazis. You kids today have no clue. None. IT COULD HAVE GONE THE OTHER WAY. THE WAR. NEVER FORGET. NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER AGAIN. shalom
Pure narration of Jewish murder, need we be prompted to remember that the overwhelming majority of deaths were indeed non Jewish or must we continue with this agenda? Please let's hope we hear truth so our children can pass it on with no prejudice?
Nobody is fooled by you, Nazi boy.
@@OuterGalaxyLounge Thank goodness for the confirmation, I had indeed wondered if my commentary was being misconstrued, best wishes...
Horseshit.
So how many do you have to kill to make it "worth reporting " by your standards? Lol
@@davemacnicol8404 No call for pedantry, I certainly cant agree that a fraction of the total has somehow overshadowed the majority even if you can..
This book is fricken depressing.
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