Love Foreplay and have been watching you guys for years, but, I’ve noticed that the recent content has strayed a bit from what drew us all in: GOLF! We miss the travel series, Barstool golfing, and fun challenges. I can’t help but feel like we’re missing the heart of what made your guys' channel so great. Looking back at your last dozen videos, we've mostly gone away from the OG content. We love collaborations, but we all subscribe to your channel for a reason, and it feels like they're taking away from the unique videos you guys bring. The one promotional video for TGL was a nice touch, but it was just one big ad and it should've been an addition to the other videos you post. When you’ve revisited the essence of your style with guests like Joel Dahmen, Gruden, and the H8er series, those videos received the most views. This tells me that fans are craving more of that OG content! We don't need 2 videos of Jersey Jerry within 2 months; the guy doesn't really even golf. Hadn't picked up a club since his last time trying to break 100. Would've loved 2 more H8ER vids. There’s a treasure trove of exciting content out there waiting for you guys. Go out and get it!
I think you are onto something, but they definitely did do og content throughout 2024. They need ads for money, collabs for new audiences, and new characters like Jerry to offload some of their work. I do agree that watching Jerry break 100 doesn’t really do it, need him to actually want it and work hard.
Why isn't Riggs' answer just, "Yes I'll go to Brett and make a series out of it"?? You've identified that it's a mental problem, and you don't know how to fix it. The answer is to get help. If Frankie can do it, so can he. It's good content too.
I popped the TGL replay on this morning & it was entertaining to sit back & watch. The complaints about the music is such a boomer take! The majority of golfers I know golf with a speaker going in the cart. Golf needs to be fun & less stuffy if it wants to keep attracting younger golfers.
Just want to say I'm beyond done with any Jersey Jerry content. He doesn't care about his game. I think last year when he angrily beat his golf bag with his club shows how stupid he is. He's garbage and yet thinks getting mad will solve it. Hate that type of person. GET A LESSON. WORK ON YOUR GAME. OR GTFO.
Yeah I can't be bothered to click on that, and I've watched most of the videos on this channel over the past few years. I just don't care about it because he doesn't.
Whoever produces and directs Game shows like Who wants to be a millionaire and Deal or no deal know how to broadcast drama and tension in a live tv studio filmed broadcast. TGL needs to bring that broadcast team to help them with how they direct and broadcast their new league. I think this new sport/league can easily succeed if they dial in the TV broadcast side of the game.
Music is such a personal taste, the playlist aspect will also affect viewers reception of it. (In addition to noise vs no noise part of it. Great coverage and discussion guys! Keep up the good work!
Frankie, i think the atmosphere would have been a little more genuine if the match was closer. It couldn't have been more of a drumming. That made it tough for the players to care, the crowd to genuinely care, and for us to care watching on TV. Period.
Agreed… Him hitting better on a range is most likely just because he’s able to time it up better due to him hitting the driver over and over again. Which obviously doesn’t translate to real golf lol
I really enjoyed TGL. It’s day one, it will get better. But I don’t necessarily think it needs to be something that these guys should feel tons of pressure for. They already feel that week-in-week-out, and I actually enjoyed seeing them laughing and being lighthearted throughout. Also, I doubt the players themselves are wanting more nervy golf when they spend their whole season in that state
From a legal standpoint, the trademark lawsuit is a slam dunk for Puma. Not only are the logos similar, but the fact that they operate in the same industry makes their claims even stronger. What is likely to happen is that they will enter into a consent agreement allowing Sun Day Red to use the mark, in exchange for.......money.
Love the chat about on and off camera! Can we getting a Riggs breaking 80 “on camera”? Then 75, then 70 and so on 🤓 I do realise there was a 74 way back.
Idea to make TGL matter more: Top Korn ferry tour players are the 4th player on each team. Team that wins, that Korn ferry guy gets starts on the PGA tour. Makes the competition matter so much more!
Riggs saying he understands golf strategy while simultaneously pulling driver on every tee when he cannot keep the ball on the planet is so funny. Golf stratey would indicate to just pull you 4 iron and take your medicine and make a few bogeys. Stop shooting 96 on camera and apply that golf strategy you understand so well.
I’ll watch TGL again but I kinda felt like I was watching bowling. Def needs a competitive drive as well as more golf like holes. The lava stuff can go.
Dang this became a shit on Riggs show! It takes Frankie going to a psychologist and getting hypnotized to keep from killing somebody and now he’s a pro! Lol
I believe in you Riggs. I challenge you to make it undoubtedly clear that you are the best golfer in Foreplay by the end of 2025. Put the time in. Simulate pressure on the range. No shortcuts. No bullshit. Maybe livestream some range sessions. Believe in yourself.
They will never really care about the result. They're pro golfers who have built a life around winning the Masters, not beating the New York golf club.
You guys spent half an hour trying to politely tell Riggs you agreed with the comments about his lying handicap and he is just in another universe not understanding that he is simply not good at golf. He would not admit any failure and wouldn’t say “yeah I’m wrong and I need to change my swing” when you guys gave him every chance in the world to. It’s a lost cause and it’s time for the crew to start giving it to Riggs straight about how bad he is at golf until he can realize it and make a change.
“He plugs the numbers in the system and this is his handicap” Except he literally never posts bad scores. No score on camera is that on his ghin. He only posts off camera rounds.
I thought it was cool, definitely brought out the personalities of the golfers, my only complaint, thought maybe it was too many holes, once the singles matches started, it wasn't that exciting. Maybe the players should have a few cocktails during the round, make it more fun like a bunch of fellas on the course on a regular Saturday afternoon in the summer.
I'm sure the Riggs hate gets outta hand at times but pretending like his stream song 112 "isnt possible" is why he gets the heat he does. It is possible, he has done it on camera for us multiple times.
Jersey Jerry isn't the guy... obviously Lurch isn't around but Francis is a much much better complement to the group and videos in both personality and the golf. More Francis, Less JJ
It's an exhibition. You guys are trying to make this something it not. It's never going to be this serious event that people are on pins and needles watching. It's a fun exhibition. Bring the music, bring the funny, bring the personality. Its not a true league or competition. Never will be. They need to lean into what it is.
Finally they talk about the elephant in the room! Riggs shanks off the tee. What’s crazy is he never shanks his irons on camera or short game issues on camera! I do agree the problem people watching Riggs he says he’s a 4 HC but hits shots like your drunk step uncle who forgot his clubs and has one arm. Riggs needs to be more light on camera cause he still comes off with an ego lighten the fuck up and people watching will start to supporting rather then ripping into you!
“No evidence on either side” is such a false statement by Trent. Riggs hasn’t been documented shooting any score under 90 in at least the past two years.
Riggs' fatal flaw is early extension. His pelvis moves towards the ball in the backswing and goes even further towards the ball in the downswing. He has no space for his hands so the torso stands up. This leads to manipulations with the hands, and thus, terrible contact and face control. I think Riggs knows now that this is the problem tho, that the pelvis can't be tracking towards the ball so much. So I do think if Riggs commits to fixing this, he will hit the ball better. I'm rooting for him. PS- Frankie early extends a lot too, but has the right compensations for it, way more so than Riggs. However, Frankie needs to address this flaw too if he wants to get beyond a 5.0 and eliminate some of these really penal misses he has once or twice a round.
Do you think he realizes it though? He kept saying he doesn’t understand it because he hits it great on the range. Which is probably just because he can time the early extension better since he’s hitting driver over and over again
@@55stlblues I'm not sure actually, since his TGL swing went semi viral for being so gross. But his swing in the Joel Dahmen video looked better, with way less early extension. He hit it pretty well (for him) that episode. So maybe he does. Unlike Trent and Frankie, he hasn't been very forthcoming with what he's working on and with whom. Seems like a missed opportunity for content and accountability, but this is Riggs we're talking about.
His early extension is caused from firing his arms only which makes him steep so he has to early extend to make room. Trent has the same issue. Frankie has a good tempo and rotates properly syncing arms and body.
If EVERY green has 3 bunkers for an entire season, its gonna get old quick, even one match was getting old. They need to have 3 greens at least. Theres so much empty space, they could do it.
They need to get some game developers instead of course architects to design the holes. Other than 2 holes they just looked normal golf holes. I want to see; 1000 yard par 5, 10 yard wide fairway, forced draw/fade holes. Every shot was straight off a flat lie
Frankie sounds like an old man on this TGL take. You have to be more open minded about something that’s this new and still not complete. It was a decent product with good pacing and it was only night 1. It’s bound to get better and be a sharper product.
I disagree, it’s literally just a large golf sim that still has the terrible delay, with a cool putt putt. They poured millions into the simulator that doesn’t do anything new or better than a run of the mill facility visually which is the most important thing. 2k golf has better graphics. It takes the viewer out of the experience when it cuts to a crappy aerial view of a cgi ball soaring through the air. They need to just keep the viewer grounded and maybe have an animation of a little zoom in of the ball as it’s approaching the green instead of going up in the air looking down like Tiger Woods golf 2005. Visually when they hit golf shots it’s a failure, again that’s the most important thing
@@piffpete420this was pretty much my takeaway from what I've seen so far as well. The actual sim and display are super disappointing to me for that supposed amount of cash. While the putting was way better than typical sim approach I agree the transitions to everything we're super laggy and jarring from swing and hit to sim display. Feels more like something cool and expensive you would do at a bachelor party stuck in a big city rather than a league event. In the US I don't see this doing that well but overseas it prob will If they partner with some of those existing Asia leagues. Maybe with some tuning it'll be ok so I'll give it a chance but I think interest will faulter when the names don't play.
I can't go to a driving range because I shank it 80% of the time, no issue when I'm actually playing. Everyone has their own different yip. Keep it up Riggsy
Trent, another UA-cam chef to look into is Brian Lagerstrom. His recipes are awesome and he really caters to the home cook. His Buffalo Chicken Dip is incredible
This league is obviously secondary to these guys playing the PGA Tour so they aren’t going to take this as serious. Scottie is like, I’m number one in the world, you guys get distracted by this league and I’ll keep dominating the PGA Tour.
Riggs...man I can relate. Used to be a 6.7 and now about double that. Driver is the culprit. Working on path and picking a spot in front of the ball to swing over. Mixed results so far but that's better than 6 penalties per round
Bryson would absolutely thrive on TGL. Long Drive events would kill on TGL. UA-cam golf events would also kill on TGL. When the PGA guys play, the production should be a bit more serious/class. Save the bells and whistles for the “entertainer type” events.
Love the chat about on and off camera! Can we getting a Riggs breaking 80 “on camera”? Then 75, then 70 and so on 🤓 I do realise there was a 74 way back.
Bring back the Travel Series!!!!
Love Foreplay and have been watching you guys for years, but, I’ve noticed that the recent content has strayed a bit from what drew us all in: GOLF! We miss the travel series, Barstool golfing, and fun challenges.
I can’t help but feel like we’re missing the heart of what made your guys' channel so great.
Looking back at your last dozen videos, we've mostly gone away from the OG content.
We love collaborations, but we all subscribe to your channel for a reason, and it feels like they're taking away from the unique videos you guys bring. The one promotional video for TGL was a nice touch, but it was just one big ad and it should've been an addition to the other videos you post.
When you’ve revisited the essence of your style with guests like Joel Dahmen, Gruden, and the H8er series, those videos received the most views. This tells me that fans are craving more of that OG content! We don't need 2 videos of Jersey Jerry within 2 months; the guy doesn't really even golf. Hadn't picked up a club since his last time trying to break 100. Would've loved 2 more H8ER vids.
There’s a treasure trove of exciting content out there waiting for you guys. Go out and get it!
I think you are onto something, but they definitely did do og content throughout 2024. They need ads for money, collabs for new audiences, and new characters like Jerry to offload some of their work. I do agree that watching Jerry break 100 doesn’t really do it, need him to actually want it and work hard.
Exactly. One of the best strings of videos imo was the bandon trip with lurch
Frankie 2 months ago: golf is boring and has no personality.
Frankie today: too much music and noise, just hit the shot.
Exactly what I was thinking
Why isn't Riggs' answer just, "Yes I'll go to Brett and make a series out of it"?? You've identified that it's a mental problem, and you don't know how to fix it. The answer is to get help. If Frankie can do it, so can he. It's good content too.
Having your buddies talk about how bad your golf game has gotten for 30 minutes straight is pure nightmare fuel.
I popped the TGL replay on this morning & it was entertaining to sit back & watch.
The complaints about the music is such a boomer take! The majority of golfers I know golf with a speaker going in the cart.
Golf needs to be fun & less stuffy if it wants to keep attracting younger golfers.
Also playlist was boomer, lol
Just want to say I'm beyond done with any Jersey Jerry content. He doesn't care about his game. I think last year when he angrily beat his golf bag with his club shows how stupid he is. He's garbage and yet thinks getting mad will solve it. Hate that type of person. GET A LESSON. WORK ON YOUR GAME. OR GTFO.
What do you mean. Of course he cares about his game, that’s why he changes the loft settings on his driver after every swing 😂
@@s4nj706 LOL
Yeah I can't be bothered to click on that, and I've watched most of the videos on this channel over the past few years. I just don't care about it because he doesn't.
Whoever produces and directs Game shows like Who wants to be a millionaire and Deal or no deal know how to broadcast drama and tension in a live tv studio filmed broadcast. TGL needs to bring that broadcast team to help them with how they direct and broadcast their new league. I think this new sport/league can easily succeed if they dial in the TV broadcast side of the game.
Music is such a personal taste, the playlist aspect will also affect viewers reception of it. (In addition to noise vs no noise part of it. Great coverage and discussion guys! Keep up the good work!
Frankie, i think the atmosphere would have been a little more genuine if the match was closer. It couldn't have been more of a drumming. That made it tough for the players to care, the crowd to genuinely care, and for us to care watching on TV. Period.
so Riggs setup, takeaway, and move through the ball is way different off camera? Sure
Agreed… Him hitting better on a range is most likely just because he’s able to time it up better due to him hitting the driver over and over again. Which obviously doesn’t translate to real golf lol
I really enjoyed TGL. It’s day one, it will get better. But I don’t necessarily think it needs to be something that these guys should feel tons of pressure for. They already feel that week-in-week-out, and I actually enjoyed seeing them laughing and being lighthearted throughout. Also, I doubt the players themselves are wanting more nervy golf when they spend their whole season in that state
From a legal standpoint, the trademark lawsuit is a slam dunk for Puma. Not only are the logos similar, but the fact that they operate in the same industry makes their claims even stronger. What is likely to happen is that they will enter into a consent agreement allowing Sun Day Red to use the mark, in exchange for.......money.
Love the chat about on and off camera! Can we getting a Riggs breaking 80 “on camera”? Then 75, then 70 and so on 🤓
I do realise there was a 74 way back.
Idea to make TGL matter more:
Top Korn ferry tour players are the 4th player on each team. Team that wins, that Korn ferry guy gets starts on the PGA tour. Makes the competition matter so much more!
The tgl will probably get more intense once they have playoffs or whatever format they have for the championship
Riggs saying he understands golf strategy while simultaneously pulling driver on every tee when he cannot keep the ball on the planet is so funny. Golf stratey would indicate to just pull you 4 iron and take your medicine and make a few bogeys. Stop shooting 96 on camera and apply that golf strategy you understand so well.
Take advantage of “Beef” to help your golf swings/ thinking around the course!! He’s part of the TEAM now!!
I’ll watch TGL again but I kinda felt like I was watching bowling. Def needs a competitive drive as well as more golf like holes. The lava stuff can go.
Dang this became a shit on Riggs show! It takes Frankie going to a psychologist and getting hypnotized to keep from killing somebody and now he’s a pro! Lol
Let’s go boys
I am similar to Riggs , I solved the problem by not playing golf and keeping to the range. One day I will play again.
I believe in you Riggs. I challenge you to make it undoubtedly clear that you are the best golfer in Foreplay by the end of 2025.
Put the time in. Simulate pressure on the range. No shortcuts. No bullshit. Maybe livestream some range sessions.
Believe in yourself.
They will never really care about the result. They're pro golfers who have built a life around winning the Masters, not beating the New York golf club.
You guys spent half an hour trying to politely tell Riggs you agreed with the comments about his lying handicap and he is just in another universe not understanding that he is simply not good at golf. He would not admit any failure and wouldn’t say “yeah I’m wrong and I need to change my swing” when you guys gave him every chance in the world to. It’s a lost cause and it’s time for the crew to start giving it to Riggs straight about how bad he is at golf until he can realize it and make a change.
“He plugs the numbers in the system and this is his handicap”
Except he literally never posts bad scores. No score on camera is that on his ghin.
He only posts off camera rounds.
Frankie: Get off my lawn!
Y’all should do something like a title belt that gets passed around from year to year for CTP
I thought it was cool, definitely brought out the personalities of the golfers, my only complaint, thought maybe it was too many holes, once the singles matches started, it wasn't that exciting. Maybe the players should have a few cocktails during the round, make it more fun like a bunch of fellas on the course on a regular Saturday afternoon in the summer.
Frankie's love of soy makes a lot of sense
I'm sure the Riggs hate gets outta hand at times but pretending like his stream song 112 "isnt possible" is why he gets the heat he does. It is possible, he has done it on camera for us multiple times.
Jersey Jerry isn't the guy... obviously Lurch isn't around but Francis is a much much better complement to the group and videos in both personality and the golf. More Francis, Less JJ
It's an exhibition. You guys are trying to make this something it not. It's never going to be this serious event that people are on pins and needles watching. It's a fun exhibition. Bring the music, bring the funny, bring the personality.
Its not a true league or competition. Never will be. They need to lean into what it is.
Finally they talk about the elephant in the room! Riggs shanks off the tee. What’s crazy is he never shanks his irons on camera or short game issues on camera! I do agree the problem people watching Riggs he says he’s a 4 HC but hits shots like your drunk step uncle who forgot his clubs and has one arm. Riggs needs to be more light on camera cause he still comes off with an ego lighten the fuck up and people watching will start to supporting rather then ripping into you!
Riggs seems like a chill dude. you weirdos are just hating cause his swing is unorthodox yet golf has made his life way sicker than yours
What slo mo video are they talking about for Riggs swing?
Tgl
“No evidence on either side” is such a false statement by Trent.
Riggs hasn’t been documented shooting any score under 90 in at least the past two years.
That’s not true, he has one video in Arizona of him shooting In low 80’s
Talking about Riggs’ game…off the tee with driver 😑, the rest of his game is 🔥. 12 shots a round make him look iffy.
It’s going to suck, and be frustrating, but Riggs needs a complete rebuild to his swing. Like seeing a coach every other week for 3 months straight.
I think they should flip the format. The triples were the most exciting part. Have the singles be the 1-6 and triples 7-15.
Few minutes in and Frankie is batting at 5 bad takes per minute
TRENT-gimme a DM-i'll teach you how to cook-Chef of 24+years. Also-Riggs swing speed is NOT above 150/mph, put money on it!
If only Barstool had a golf pro that could help Riggs sort his driver issues.
Dammit you guys are bummers. I thought it was great
TaylorMade needs to copy what Titleist has in “TPI” and Riggs needs to be their first client
Wait so is Frankie just arguing that there shouldn’t be music? That was the most unclear take of all time after saying he likes it
Can we leave Jersey Jerry off of the channel? Francis sure, but leave Jerry at home
Riggs' fatal flaw is early extension. His pelvis moves towards the ball in the backswing and goes even further towards the ball in the downswing. He has no space for his hands so the torso stands up. This leads to manipulations with the hands, and thus, terrible contact and face control. I think Riggs knows now that this is the problem tho, that the pelvis can't be tracking towards the ball so much. So I do think if Riggs commits to fixing this, he will hit the ball better. I'm rooting for him.
PS- Frankie early extends a lot too, but has the right compensations for it, way more so than Riggs. However, Frankie needs to address this flaw too if he wants to get beyond a 5.0 and eliminate some of these really penal misses he has once or twice a round.
Do you think he realizes it though? He kept saying he doesn’t understand it because he hits it great on the range. Which is probably just because he can time the early extension better since he’s hitting driver over and over again
@@55stlblues I'm not sure actually, since his TGL swing went semi viral for being so gross. But his swing in the Joel Dahmen video looked better, with way less early extension. He hit it pretty well (for him) that episode. So maybe he does. Unlike Trent and Frankie, he hasn't been very forthcoming with what he's working on and with whom. Seems like a missed opportunity for content and accountability, but this is Riggs we're talking about.
His early extension is caused from firing his arms only which makes him steep so he has to early extend to make room. Trent has the same issue. Frankie has a good tempo and rotates properly syncing arms and body.
If EVERY green has 3 bunkers for an entire season, its gonna get old quick, even one match was getting old. They need to have 3 greens at least. Theres so much empty space, they could do it.
They need to get some game developers instead of course architects to design the holes. Other than 2 holes they just looked normal golf holes. I want to see; 1000 yard par 5, 10 yard wide fairway, forced draw/fade holes. Every shot was straight off a flat lie
The only thing that will fix Riggs swing is if a $ponser threatens to pull money from the show
Not gonna be able to watch TGL going forward without a gong now.
You can't have players say if I hit a great shot it's because I'm great and If I miss it's just a simulator.
If riggs on course ball speed is higher than 140 I will be shocked
Frankie sounds like an old man on this TGL take. You have to be more open minded about something that’s this new and still not complete. It was a decent product with good pacing and it was only night 1. It’s bound to get better and be a sharper product.
I disagree, it’s literally just a large golf sim that still has the terrible delay, with a cool putt putt. They poured millions into the simulator that doesn’t do anything new or better than a run of the mill facility visually which is the most important thing. 2k golf has better graphics. It takes the viewer out of the experience when it cuts to a crappy aerial view of a cgi ball soaring through the air. They need to just keep the viewer grounded and maybe have an animation of a little zoom in of the ball as it’s approaching the green instead of going up in the air looking down like Tiger Woods golf 2005. Visually when they hit golf shots it’s a failure, again that’s the most important thing
@@piffpete420this was pretty much my takeaway from what I've seen so far as well. The actual sim and display are super disappointing to me for that supposed amount of cash. While the putting was way better than typical sim approach I agree the transitions to everything we're super laggy and jarring from swing and hit to sim display. Feels more like something cool and expensive you would do at a bachelor party stuck in a big city rather than a league event. In the US I don't see this doing that well but overseas it prob will If they partner with some of those existing Asia leagues. Maybe with some tuning it'll be ok so I'll give it a chance but I think interest will faulter when the names don't play.
There is no way Riggs is a 5 handicap
The TGL segment was ROUGH in this pod
I love you all… and not a hater, but Riggs is a 12 HC min. I’m sorry no way a single digit. Again sorry not trying to be mean
people try to find anything wrong with everything now a days
I can't go to a driving range because I shank it 80% of the time, no issue when I'm actually playing. Everyone has their own different yip. Keep it up Riggsy
Trent, another UA-cam chef to look into is Brian Lagerstrom. His recipes are awesome and he really caters to the home cook. His Buffalo Chicken Dip is incredible
Frankie simply just doesn’t understand what TGL is
I was wrong, Frankie AND Riggs don’t understand
This league is obviously secondary to these guys playing the PGA Tour so they aren’t going to take this as serious. Scottie is like, I’m number one in the world, you guys get distracted by this league and I’ll keep dominating the PGA Tour.
Would love to see Beef involved on the pod! Send him the link!
Riggs...man I can relate. Used to be a 6.7 and now about double that.
Driver is the culprit. Working on path and picking a spot in front of the ball to swing over. Mixed results so far but that's better than 6 penalties per round
The thing about riggs is that he is still a 5 handicap, he just has the yipps on camera.
Bryson would absolutely thrive on TGL. Long Drive events would kill on TGL. UA-cam golf events would also kill on TGL. When the PGA guys play, the production should be a bit more serious/class. Save the bells and whistles for the “entertainer type” events.
Terrible take Frankie
Riggs - “hit a 260 yard cut”
Frankie is such a hypocrite lol .
Frankie tip toeing around Riggs being terrible at golf is hard to watch.
I mean, he was pretty blunt about it. He said his game was terrible like 10x. They rambled on forever, though.
Love the chat about on and off camera! Can we getting a Riggs breaking 80 “on camera”? Then 75, then 70 and so on 🤓
I do realise there was a 74 way back.