Takeaways from the Epic La Salle vs UP Preseason Opener
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- Grabe, preseason pa lang but we got a UP vs DLSU banger!
So much physicality, emotions, taunting, and trashtalking for a preseason game. It makes want to watch more games between these two teams. But as usual, there is so much to unpack from this game so let's get to it. - Спорт
Torculas made 5 instant points off the bench (a three and an inside incursion) but got into early foul trouble then binangko na lang. Coach decided to not play him much for the rest of the game, but gave him 30 minutes in the Pinoy Liga game against Diliman College the day after where he made 15pts 15reb and had that alley oop with Remogat.
He reminds me so much of that Rich Alvarez/Arwind Santos/Edwin Asoro type who gets his offense mostly on putbacks, transition dunks, and open threes against disrespectful opponents. But Torculas also gets a lot of secondary ball handling duties kahit hindi nag-ppress ang kalaban and has a few moves added like a eurostep, a push shot, and a turnaround at the mid-post. I think his wing skills are still being cultivated, mina-maximize lang yung rebounding motor niya and the speed mismatch at the 4.
We're not reading much into his Pinoyliga performance. Most of the main rotation guys were not there haha
Hopefully, he does continue to develop those perimeter skills because i think that's where he can elevate to higher tier pro leagues such as the KBL or B League. If he stays at PF, PBA or MPBL lang bagsak niya
Belmonte played briefly as a small 5 and got that reverse coast to coast lay-up against Agunnane… and the technical foul for taunting 😅 he also got that turnaround jumper over Mike and the drive with the and-one against Poli. Confidence lang talaga (and some bulking up) kailangan but when he plays well, it always ends well for UP. I believe he’s in a Will Navarro situation, 4 pinalalaro but his wing skills are also being cultivated for an easy transition to the pros (and hopefully, the national team).
We saw this with Belmonte last preseason as well. Let's see if it carries over to the UAAP season
Great podcast guys!
Ever since Season 84, the narrative in the DLSU-UP matchup has been La Salle's Big Men vs. UP's guards. That matchup is going to be even more pronounced with the departures of Evan Nelle (arguably the best point guard in the UAAP last season) and Malick Diouf (arguably the best Big Man and FSA last season). Both teams will have to double down on their strengths this time around, and that was seen in this game. JD balled out, while Motor Mike, Agunnane and KQ were given more of the offensive responsibility.
If this Filoil barnburner is a preview of the Finals, Season 87 can't come soon enough!
As a big man's sport, traditionally it's bigs > guards in basketball. Yuap included, as what last season showed
Let's see if that remains the status quo, or it will be the reverse this year: up guards > dlsu bigs
What a luxury to have this season for UP. JD and Janjan for PG sa UP. Janjan Felicilda functions as TJ Mconell of Pacers. Such a pest and creates so many chaos and fast points for UP. 👍
The only downside is if Coach Gold plays Janjan over JD again 😂 we will lose our minds if it happens again
But yeah, Janjan has proven to be a starting caliber PG in the UP as shown by his stint in NU
Lasalle needs a legit PG. It's really their problem, their frontcourt is already solid and imo the best in the UAAP. All they need is a playmaker and they would be set. Props to David but I think he performs best as a backup pg and as a 3&D guy. Rubico is struggling even in the preseason, Alian is a defensive oriented guard. I really want to see Buenaventura but I'm not sure when he will arrive, he is a 6 ft playmaker and that's exactly what they need. Even then, rookie guards tend to struggle more in the UAAP compared to rookie wings/bigs. At the end of the day still lots of time to go before the start of UAAP and adjustments will for sure be made. Who knows, it's Lasalle, they might even recruit a point guard out of nowhere and we'll all be surprised.
Kaya nga trade na lang. Inyo na si Espinosa, amin na si Raven Cortez HAHAHA
I'm curious with the discussion on the usage and playing minutes, or the lack thereof, of players like Briones, Lopez and Torculas. Isn't it a function of the opposing team, how they would match-up against the opposing lineup? I'm not so technical in watching the game, so I hope I can be enlightened. Thank you!
Lopez and Torculas had similar roles as last season. Our only comment was that we thought we would see more minutes at the wing and for Lopez, more perimeter playmaking or ball handling. Because to be honest, if he wants to make it to higher tier pro leagues, he has to be a wing, not a power forward
For Briones, we thought that with the departure of Cansino, minutes would open up for him given his shooting. But it looks like UP will still funnel the minutes to the guards
And yun nga, if they wanted to match up with a big DLSU line up, they could have played big with Lopez/Torculas at the wing or playing Briones, who is 6'4
UP wanted La Salle to adjust to them and it worked in UP’s favor. It is a function of matching up with the opposition with regard to the minutes.
@@pinoybonedoc8785 DLSU couldn’t play KQ as a wing much for the game because his suspect ballhandling was being exploited. He’s a better playmaker on the post. As a wing reduced to an outside shooter siya. Saglit lang nagamit ng DLSU yung Henry-Mike-KQ lineup because that would have been too slow. Poli was a better fit kapag “big” lineup na.
Tl;dr The “small” lineup worked for UP because whatever weakness UP had on the post was nothing compared to the advantages such lineup presented in other areas (forcing turnovers, creating mismatches, increasing the pace, etc.)
To add on sa discussion on the minutes of Briones and Torcullas. I think it should also be discussed that UP had a back to back and that Torcullas and Briones will be the ones playing that game more kaya siguro di masyado ginamit for the LaSalle game. They played great that game.
Additional takeaway:
1) UP focused on preventing Agunanne and Phillips making post up moves causing them to have 5 and 4 turnovers respectively.
2) The game felt like a regular UAAP game as the arena was packed with supporters from both schools.
Hope to see you at Filoil this Friday and Saturday!
Nag-improve yung conditioning ng UP players and hindi na ganun ka-gigil yung young bigs like last year, and that made all the difference. More impressive considering Malick isn’t there anymore to save them.
I'll probably be at the DLSU-UST game. I'm interested in UST hehe - Gab
@@bolerosph partida na sa UST. KQ-less ang la salle. haha
Literal na mas astig talaga pag lasalle-up 'rivalry' bec marami barako both communities. Mga prat boys, eng'g/sports majors etc. Marami course offerings both schools, kay/a mas diverse din crowd nila, adding more color to this 'rivalry'
Kung dito mag-aya ng rumble, (gaya nang ginawa ng isang u.p official sa 2018 championship nila against admu), sureshot may papalag from dlsu lol
I was looking for 2 things for this game. First, if the frontline of Lasalle can bully UPs Frontline like last season. Answer to that is not anymore. Mike Phillips, Policarpio and Raven Cortez could not do what they did to Diouf to Udodo or Stevens. Also Alter has improved significantly from last season. The second thing I was looking at was the PG to replace Nelle. Unfortunately with 25 TO, there is no answer for Lasalle at the PG position. One can argue that they can get a one and done PG from the US. However, it takes longer for a new PG to integrate to a team than any other positon in Basketball. If that was their plan then it should start now. But still, excited for the Filoil tournament.
Agree on your points Sir! Especially on the integration of a Point guard. Guards usually have a harder time transitioning to a new league. Lasalle will have to double down on its front court advantage and hope that their current players gradually improve playmaking wise throughout the off season. But they are more than capable of be B2B champs. Same chances as UP to win it all come season 87, in my opinion. -Maui
Dlsu can still recruit a ine and done filam from US ncaa to fill in the gap before kean and jacob become eligible. They also have a recruit justin buenaventura from texas who can play point and who is still in the US.
Still a long way till the Uaap. Anything can happen pa. But it looks like that will be a reccurring issue if they dont get capable playmakers. Who knows baka come Uaap time the other players improve and will be more capable. -Maui
Regarding disappointment with UP's small ball, I share the same feeling. I am tempted to say that Coach Gold plays favorites to his wards but we are not there during their practices. We are not the ones who think about player combinations and minutes on the floor for a living. So the logical side of me says that the coaching staff might be seeing wisdom in playing small against DLSU at least. Kasi kung ako yan I'll play Udodo, Gani, Lopez, Abadiano and Cagulangan as my first five. Alter, Belmonte, Torculas, Alarcon and Felicilda as the primary relievers. Imagine the size and lenght of those two combinations, right?
Thats true! All we can do is speculate but at the end of the day they know their personnel and how to fit the pieces better than any of us. Curious to see how their rotation develops for season 87 but wouldnt be surprised it what we saw last saturday will be the main rotation. -Maui
Yun ang sa tingin ko na aspect ng game na preseason feels pa din. Experimenting with the small ball and trying out lineups. Kudos to the coaching staff for doing so and not making it last longer with Belmonte at 5. Size is definitely not a problem for UP given their lineup compared to last year.
Yes this is the season na kaya na ni JD mag dominate. I think nung finals kasi iba Yung Evan Nelle factor Kay nasa bench sya. Na notice ko din Yun Kay coach Gold first season nya. May one time nasa bench si Carl last few minutes pero panalo sila. I think for defensive reasons. Hindi nag tantrum si Carl. Ganun ang tiwala ng mga players Kay coach G.
Yes, I’ve complained multiple times before cause coach Gold sometimes benches Tamayo during crucial parts of the game. Pero you’re right, di naman nagrereklamo mga players so I guess may tiwala rin sila kay coach? - sam
Udodo had the most rebounds at 10 (comparatively, Agunnane had 4). Udodo is raw but his potential as a rebounding demon is massive. Wide body for boxing out, solid size, not as tall as Agunnane but has a lower center of gravity which is better for establishing rebounding position (think Barkley, Rodman, Reggie Evans, Elton Brand, and Ben Wallace). Udodo ain’t far behind from other FSAs so no need to panic for UP. In fact, it also means UP might have stacked too much on FSAs. Udodo is still young. Gagaling pa ‘yan.
I actually liked how he played defensively compared to Alter. I feel the same. Unfortunately, with the recruitment of a one and done FSA in Wilmore, it looks like this is a one year thing for Ududo then it will be S89 (if ever) when we see him again
I don't get it though. Wilmore is slow and doesn't have the potential that Ududo has 😂 I would stick with Ududo
@@bolerosphi agree. wilmore was slow and would require a lot of conditioning. nagpasub e. di kinaya ng stamina haha
I feel like wilmore is a backup lang for next year. Di nga natin alam if aabot siya next year.
Briones plays significant minutes in PinoyLiga, but with the game with DLSU last Saturday, he was a liability on defense. Naiiwan siya parati. It just wasn't a good match-up for him vs DLSU. We'll see in the next games in FilOil.
In Pinoyliga though, they play with only half their roster per game since they have two different lineups. That's why he gets to have minutes there
He also made some forced shots instead of passing to more open teammates. I think his benching was justified. Honestly I'd like to see more of Walker and Bayla instead of him.
@@deepspace4267 I agree, his shot selection was not the best during that game. But he shines tho in PinoyLiga. Hope he improves his D.
@@bolerosph Not all the time, I watched all the games and just for an extra layer of fact-checking, I double-checked the stat sheets and schedule at the PinoyLiga website. They play half the roster (which includes S88 and some Team B players) when they have back-to-back game days. There were games na the full roster played (Chicco's minutes below):
06 April, vs San Beda - 19:24 minutes, 11pts, FG 4/9
21 April, vs UPHSD - 12:46 minutes, 9pts, FG 3/8
If we are considering the S87 roster, one game played in FilOil is such a small sample size. For me, the game with DLSU was not a great match-up for him. Shot selection was not the best (FG 1/4), played 04:30mins with -6 (+/-). Most of the guard minutes went to Harold (27:03mins) and Torres (16:13mins) because they were and are the primary defenders and match-up for KQ (25mins, FG 5/12) (Harold ended up with the Defensive Player of the Game award). Additionally, you guys (Gab?) mentioned in a previous episode, that Chicco needs to improve his defensive game more. Well I guess, we'll see in the next games. Really hope he improves his D.
@@bolerosph Not all the time, I watched all the games and just for an extra layer of fact-checking, I double-checked the stat sheets and schedule at PinoyLiga website. They play half the roster (which includes S88 and some Team B players) when they have back-to-back game days. There were games na the full roster played (Chicco's minutes below):
06 April, vs San Beda - 19:24 minutes, 11pts, FG 4/9
21 April, vs UPHSD - 12:46 minutes, 9pts, FG 3/8
If we are considering the S87 roster, one game played in FilOil is such a small sample size. For me, the game with DLSU was not a great match-up for him. Shot selection was not the best (FG 1/4), played 04:30mins with -6 (+/-). Most of the guard minutes went to Harold (27:03mins) and Torres (16:13mins) because they were and are the primary defenders and match-up for KQ (25mins, FG 5/12) (Harold ended up with the Defensive Player of the Game award). Additionally, you guys (Gab?) mentioned in a previous episode, that Chicco needs to improve his defensive game more. Well I guess, we'll see in the next games. Really hope he improves his D.
dlsu didnt pursue derohn mitchell. la salle fans have been waiting for him but decided to play MPBL.
DLSU's biggest weakness: PG
UP's Biggest Weakness: Bigman, no matter how good they are, it will not be a one man job to replicate Malick's Value
pero it seems na mas malaki ung "biggest weakness" ng DLSU. Hmmmm.
UP have a lot of bigman on their lineup. Gagate, Alter, Steven & their new FSA. The question is can they improve against DLSU bigs.
Most people hyped Rubico, why do you think he's not given minutes?
I think it's a function of over recruiting. DLSU has too many mouths to feed. He doesn't get minutes in Team B because Baclaan and Cortez are there. And in Team A, because KQ and Poli play as wings now, the other wings (Abadam, Macalalag, Austria) are pushed down to guard
I think the weakness of La Salle will be at the point guard position.
And didn't I tell you that poli will have a big role this coming up season. For me he is the X factor. I still think they can win back to back.
They are more than capable to go back to back. Still a long way to go. They still have arguably the best Uaap player in KQ. They have to address the playmaking issues though that could be fatal esp come final four. -Maui
Trade pala ha? Sige amin na si Mason Amos trade namin sa inyo si Miguel Ona of FEU 😂😂😂😂 Great Episode as always Guys!
Hahahahahaha only Espinosa is on the trading block. Amos is not available
@@bolerosph okay sige trade ko si Jon Godinez 😂😂😂😂
Nag overlap ba ang pinoyliga at filoil?
Yes. Sabay games nila nung Saturday
@@bolerosph kaya pala hati mga player
- la salle only scored 2 points yata sa last 5 minutes ng 4th quarter.
- is gaspay eligible sa season 87?
- no denzil walker even though he was eligible sa season 87.
- observation lang, game commentators were la salle fanboys lol.
Gaspay should be eligible for season 87 per reports. Very good observation wala pa nga si Denzil Walker dun! Not sure how he fits the rotation though. -Maui
+1000 on your last point lol
Experiment time for topex i guess. Sana mahanap niya yung formula for the guard problem. Tama poli is a classic lasalle guy along with CJ! hehehe!
Poli reminds me of Rico Maierhofer hahaha - Gab
@@bolerosph CJ naman parang Arana hahaha!
KQ didn't even start the game. He rarely touched the ball in the 4th quarter. I guess it's time to experiment in the pre-season.
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@@hectorbermudez6912 18 brother :) si gaco ang 16 hehe :)
Congrats sa media passes guys! haha legit na
Thanks appreciate the support! -Maui
Suggestion guys baka pwede may boleros sando naman dyan!
Oh don't worry, it's coming haha
DLSU still hasn't finalized a 15-man roster and hasn't played their top point guard yet. There are still many changes to keep an eye on. Some players from the preseason might not make it to the final lineup.
Which top point guard are you talking about
@@Gperryperry the position are still up for grabs and could be filled by Rubico, Alian, David, or another incoming guard. Not sure if all of them will make it tho. A one and done is an option as well.
Well everyone is saying it’s Rubico but I wonder why he’s not getting the playing time he needs especially in FilOil. Unless he has an injury or maybe coach Topex is keeping him as a secret weapon 😅 - sam
JD was playing hurt last season.
Yes
That makes more sense right now. Hope he closes his Uaap career with a bang. -Maui
Still doesn't explain why he was benched in Game 3 though in favor of Felicilda. If he was healthy enough to play 21 minutes in Game 3, he still should have been out there to finish the game
Wala parin up point guard hina iq daming pilit yung mgaling lng pumasa si lopez.
Tama talaga kay lopez pano tayo mka produce nba nito 3 position bagay ky lopez pag kwatro maliit yan sa international
Sabihin nyo ng ambitious ako tulad ng sabi ko dati seasons come UP will make it 4feat Champions 🏀💪✊🏆🏆🏆🏆
B2B muna bago mag 4-PEAT
Hahaha! Lets see they need to win first again this season. Why so obssessed with the 4 peat though? Is it because u want Up to one up the tab baldwin 3 peat? Just curious. -Maui
1. Salamat. You caught hooking-flopping motor mouth mike. Hes been like that since last season. We see you mike!
2. I dont get why topex let poli keep on playing even if obvious na nananakit na lang yung bata nya in garbage time. What was he waiting for? A free for all?
3. I don’t think its a rivalry in a classic sense. Parang reserved na yun sa admu - dlsu. Pero sure theres beef sa dlsu up.
4. Salamat also na mabilis din kayo mag upload sa Spotify. Easier for drivers 😅
Mike got away with the antics nung hilaw pa bigs ng UP. With more experience and guys like Lopez bulking up, and the pleasant surprise of Udodo, napikon rin siguro because di na masyado umubra. poetic yung play where Mike tried to ram through Harold who was just standing with his arms up… at si Mike ang natumba
@@rcd2005 i know bato bato din si harold, but i think flop yun 😅
@@danpambid2831 agree sir, a very transparent flop which the referees fairly did not call as a foul on Harold 😅
Mike will be better. He’s acclimating himself on the 4 slot now. As to Poli, you get the good and bad when you play him. Appreciate the support even on spotify! Thats our main reason why we upload there despite it not being a profit driver for us. Lol. -Maui
Let’s be real
We all knew DLSU will struggle with the point guard. David isn’t just it yet and he is our best PG like to Nelle.
KQ just doesn’t have the handles nor agility of point guard yet ( that would be scary tho if that happens)
Tagal pa naman yan UAAP, there’s a lot of time to make up for loss ground.
Kaya yan!
P.s Jacob Cortez saved DLSU sa PinoyLiga 😂
Jacob Cortez is too far from Nelle. Although Nelle looks soft, he is a cold blooded guy. IQ wise, he is way ahead of Jacob. Jacob needs time. I think one UAAP season is not enough for him to mature like Nelle. DLSU cannot afford to have a PG less than Nelle because the opposing team will be too much. Shooting alone is not enough to win the title. Playmaking is a must.
@@septemberconcepcion4866Baclaan is the closest thing we have to nelle 😂
Yeah it sucks that Cortez and Baclaan will be eligible come seasom 88 pa. They probably have to get a one and done or rely that someone from the current lineup steps up and become better playmakers. I see VJ david improving along the way as he plays a different role this season. -Maui
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Nagkakalat ka nanaman abraham serrano mallari 🤷♂️
Bigyan na ng UAAP all-access pass ang tatlong yan!!!! Alter pa more!!! 😂 Go STATE U!!!!
Sana nga 🙏 UAAP beke nemen
The ghost of a runner-up still haunts them-admit it. Anyway, hoping no one gets injured at this time - still congrats to the winner.
Agree 💯 the kind of physicality shows the bitterness of the runner ups in last season
@@LuntianMagpakailanmanas mentioned here, Mike started the antics 😂😂😂
@@rcd2005 oh really? It's hard to believe since he is often the receiver of the physicality under the ring. And what do you expect with FilOil in terms of camera angles 😛 I believe it happened near the UP bench?
@@LuntianMagpakailanman I was there live lol. I saw the actual plays instead of relying on probability (since he plays under the ring, then chances are…) and Poli hard-fouling Lopez when the game was out of reach? 🤣🤣🤣 sa bagay willing siya i-risk yung career niya fighting sa ligang labas. Oh well..:
@@rcd2005 well, I rest my case on one who saw it live. And about Poli, haha no comment on ligang labas and the competitiveness he shows on the court. Pasalamat na lang sa "mga girlfriend" niya siguro.
Ika-nga sa basketball sa pagiging pisikal "kung marunong kang mamigay, dapat marunong ka rin tumanggap"
magulang si cagulangan...sobrang hinog na.dinaya kasi playing years nya
A lot of Uaap players play into their mid 20s. Up was just able to take advantage of a loophole in the rule book which has been remedied already. All Teams in the Uaap have taken advantage of loopholes. Thats how the one and done, two and through players actually have been more prevalent. -Maui
And yet UP scraped thru by a few measly points....go figure. Come UAAP time, iyak n naman ang DILIMan
Arrowhead? More like airhead na amoy ampalaya.
👍well.. ganyan talaga kapag di tanggap ng first runner up 😉
Yeah right? 12 measly points and the biggest loss in all the Filoil games that day. Go figure.
Measly points??? Pinagsasabi mo? Check the game stats hahaha
@@randomdancecovers6794, he doesn't know how to check the stats. Don't waste time giving him a walkthrough 😂