Switching to white light ?
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- True white light seems nicer than any warm light color.
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I liked this video. As an American l have personally grown tired of white lights as they are used extremely often here. They are also used in places that one does not have best experiences. Because of this over exposure I have associated white lights as being harsh and uninviting and have been working to reduce the white light in my home.
All that being said I am glad that you like changing your lighting up and are willing to give white lights a chance. I had no idea white lights were uncommon in the Netherlands.
warm white for living spaces, cool white for functional spaces (bathroom, kitchen, garage, etc)
keeps it cozy while also giving you more visibility and separation for the spaces you need it in
I never minded white lights growing up, but I ended up going entirely off the rails and buying colored like gel paper and covering the fluorescent lights in my basement with different hues to see which was best. Blue was awful, unsurprisingly, and yellow was kind of fun, red was very divisive amongst my friends, and purple was basically agreed upon as a good choice
Would love a longer video with your thoughts on lighting!
Same!
I occasionally build my own LED lights, and use various colour temperatures. I find high CRI is the main factor in niceness and comfort, and temperature relates to purpose. Workspaces: daylight all the way. Bedroom, living room: warm white after 22:00. Otherwise, temps of 4000 - 5600K can keep me awake into the early hours without me even realising it's late
6000K white light makes perfect sense for working, however in my opinion it's not that great bedroom lighting as it can disrupt circadian rhythm, dim warm light does much better job when it's time to sleep. Luckily with the advent of adjustable color LED bulbs we're free to mix the whitepoint however we want and set timers for different parts of day and night.
I guess that warm light preference in Europe is just down to not very bright winter days and very long sunsets in summer. The closer to equator, the more people are going to use colder color temperature lights, saying they can't see anything in warm light. You can already spot it in Middle East/North Africa and it only gets more visible further south.
Otoh D65 lights will improve attention.
I love daylight lighting when it’s daytime (or _should_ be daytime, in the darker parts of the year), but in the evenings I can’t abide it at all.
Exactly!
The film lamp is probably closer to 6000K to match typical daylight. Though you can get good and terrible LED bulbs in 6000K. If the CRI is too low it can still be unpleasant to work under.
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The setup at 2:11 looks way more pleasant, because the light is reflected from white walls and is thus scattered (barring the reflection on the screen, but that’s manageable). So there are no sharp shadows and no unbearably brights points to accidentally look at. For me, this is very important, so I don’t have traditional ceiling lamps, and all sources of illumination are pointed away from objects, towards the walls and the ceiling.
Also, consider hooking warm and cool lights to separate controls, so that you can mix them as you desire at any particular moment.
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I like ~5500K 'daylight' lighting for workspaces - especially the effect of "extending daylight" it can have in the winter months.
I would not consider 4000K to be a 'daylight' white. But it's what I choose for kitchens and bathrooms.
For living/dining areas, I much prefer ~3200K.
But warm lighting *really* needs high-quality bulbs to look good (high CRI/RA rating).
Cheap bulbs can look okay at cooler temperatures (most are based around blue emitters) but awful at warm temperatures. It gives me brain fog.
Color-adjustable lighting unfortunately tends to be lower quality than fixed-temperature bulbs, but I do like having lamps fade from bright warm lighting ~3200K to ~1200K late at night.
Combining this with the "night shift" feature on my devices making their displays warmer at the same time really helps me sleep better.
High quality LEDs are still incredibly hard to find, even today in 2024 (despite people insisting 15 years ago light quality of then "good" CRI 85 LEDs is a complete non-issue and no, the food doesn't look like literal barf). I think there's a reason why the number of boutique/bespoke LED installers has increased a lot. Off the shelf stuff is rarely satisfactory.
Just to back that up I just perused the top LED-lighting focused online shops (for fixtures and bulbs, not individual LEDs) and _none_ of them even offered a filter for Ra/CRI (nevermind SSI). Brightness? Sure. Efficiency? Yep. Socket? Yeah. Color temp? Yup. But what actually matters most for comfort? NOPE. Always hidden in the small print. And still mostly "Ra >80". Utter garbage.
Just buy LED strips - way more choice regarding LEDs used, easy to get options with CRI 95+, but you need to build your own fixtures.
@@VEC7ORlt I know and I do but that's hardly an option for the average consumer. That a cheap halogen bulb has VASTLY better light quality than 99% of the legally available options for consumers is a huge failure imho. We know light quality has a big impact on quality of life and everyone is knowingly peddling garbage light to normal people.
@@-szega yeah, hard to argue with cri of a perfect 100.
Its slowly getting better tho, first we had those sickly greenish or pinkish LEDs than couldn't quite land on the Planck curve with efficacy of 60lm/w, now power output easily reaches 150-200lm/w, average CRI climbed to 85 with 90 costing a lil bit more, your average branded bulbs also got way better, the ones like Ikea, Osram, Philips.
I'm still waiting for Yuji level strips with CRI of 98+ to get real cheap.
I'm lost on luminarie manufacturers tho - everything is poorly specced, datasheets are murky AF, as if noone wants quality light, or its just me who knows too much and been doing this for way too long.
I think the idea that we are stuck with today is that warm light reminds us of light from a fire place and is supposed to be cozy or something.
Less blue light at night is good for stopping your body from getting confused.
@@darkowl9 and bad at waking us up in the morning…
Yea that's why you go outside nincompoop@@80-80.
@@80-80.Yeah it’s probably bad if you need to wake up pretty early, but for someone like me that gets up when daylight comes through the window, I’m actually thinking about getting warmer light for nighttime use.
It is much more comfortable, in fact there's even research going on as to why we like lights to get warmer as they dim (e.g. 3000K that dims to 2000K) - possibly due to the fact the sun gets more orange as it sets. In color grading rooms, a neutral white is preferred as it's closer to D65 white point, but it isn't very comfortable in a home environment.
high CRI is important most LED bulbs are crap
They are getting better on average. I wouldn’t have anything less than 80 anywhere except as a security light or a warehouse, and nothing below 90 in a closet, bathroom, or kitchen.
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White light messes with my sleep so I tend to use light bulbs that are slightly warm, and after sunset I switch to lamps which have warmer color temperature bulbs installed. This has really helped me with eye strain while working and also results in better sleep. I don't do color grading so my work is not effected by the color of my lights
Here in the US I've found it quite easy to buy "pure" white LED lightbulbs for home use. They're marketed as "Daylight." If you can find some lights labelled as "Daylight" you might want to try those out.
I think it’s all about the CRI not the light color. Most of the current regular lights have low CRI. In past the regular bulbs had much better CRI that’s why I keep using them instead of the LED lights. The white light also helps you to get more awake, which is not a good idea when you want to go sleep soon
Not quite, most current LEDs and fluorescents have a CRI of 80 which is pretty good. I can barely distinguish between my 82cri and my 97cri LED lamp.
Only the cheapest cold white fluorescents (often presented for garage or kitchen use) had a bad CRI, and those are indeed pretty harsh, making your skin look super pale.
@@mfbfreak 80 CRI is crap. makes people look sickly due to lack of red component. the difference to 97 is night and day. high 90s are the only LEDs I can tolerate in my home.
Yep, you need to buy some proper good LEDs with good red color rendering, like the LEDVANCE Sun@home series, and Waveform lighting is a good option in the US.
Both of these are above 95 CRI with very good red color rendering. There's other options as well like the Philips Ultra Definition and ExpertColor which are also 95 CRI or more, plus many others.
@@swecreations in Europe, Mueller sells a range of 97 CRI bulbs and they are decent.
4000K is equivalent to daylight during sunrise or sunset, so still fairly warm. Neutral daylight will typically be in the 5000K-5600K range, and cool daylight will be closer to 6500K.
Yeah that was my mistake/wrong description, but I couldn’t find any colder ones. Will look for it again, maybe…
@@lazyposy I'd suggest taking a look at Waveform Lighting. They make 95+ CRI lights in just about any color temperature you could want, and offer a ton of great educational information.
Use Philips Hue White Ambiance bulbs. The light temperature is customizable from 2200K to 6500K.
@@PoderDK IKEA also sells adjustable LED GU-10s, my wife uses them in her studio/workshop for pure white lights.
CCT does not specify the colour of the light. Without further information, a two different LED lights with the same CCT may appear green and the other magenta. Also note that the Planckian locus is not the same as the daylight locus due to atmospheric effects.
Countries that dont get lots of sun or get rainy weather a lot. Prefer warm lights in homes.
Countries that get lots of sun, prefer white lights.
Only difference is that most people prefer strong white lights in bathroom and kitchen no matter of country they live in. BUT... In countries that have that weird trend of using kitchen as living room(place where they spend lots of time talking with guests or family members. eg, Poland and Germany) pick warm lights in kitchen to make it more cozy.
As for your work area, beside picking up GOOD white light(Philips bulbs suck, and they die often), its also important to get in to the account room colors as light bounce from surfaces and will affect colors.
get in to the account room _!?_
White light is good to work with (like the building lamps, but also because It matches daylight) amber or warmer light is more relaxed on the eyes. I'd suggest you don't change your living room with 5600+- Kelvin lighting but have it around 2400 - 2700
White lights are so underrated. I moved to a new apartment and the kitchen had really warm lightbulbs, so the first thing I did was to change them to almost daylight color bulbs and now my food doesn't look like 50 shades of yellow. Seriously, if you can't see how brown whatever it is you're frying, you gotta change your lights!
Yep. Lots of people online seem to passionately hate cooler bulbs, but I personally can't stand looking at something under near-orange light when determining color is important.
Sure, I like to set my bedroom smart bulb to 2700K, or even red at night time, but my kitchen light and desk lamp is not getting anything under 5000K.
I find a medium around 3000-4000k for a kitchen is really where I prefer it, there's a weird crime scene photo quality to taking it all the way up to 5000k or above? But I would agree that a sub-3000K does start to get a bit streetlight orange-y for food
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@@will_0_w If it's truly too blue you also then miss/overexaggerate some other bits of the spectrum, and food will also look bad.
The issue isn't so much warm lights, but low CRI lights. If you go to a high end retail store you may notice that the lights skew warm, but the items in store look great. It's because of the high CRI. Higher CRI lights emit light across the visible color spectrum more evenly, items that are lit by it can reflect that back. Cheaper lights usually don't do that, so things lit by it look like like they've been through a tinted filter. This wasn't an issue with incandescent bulbs and is improving with LED lights, but fluorescent bulbs were really awful at this.
I live in Brazil and here the standard are really white 6500K lights, I think my house is the only one in a very large radius with basically all 3000K lights, they are just much easier on the eyes
I use blue-red fito lamp and green garden light to make nice white light.
Love your videos. In 2018 I went with white / Daylight bulbs when we built our addition to our home, and I was able to move out of the Basement.
I had a kid in 2021, and slowly I've been moving back toward more warm / yellow/ orange bulbs,
They just feel calmer for winding down for bedtime.
I bet you could have some real fun with Zigbee bulbs where you can adjust the Color Temperature.
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My house has white light. But I'm in Australia and unlike other people with their yellow houses.
Due to lack of thoughts I keep reusing this comment.
Oh, Australia is pretty close to Netherlands so no wonder!
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I like 5600k 150 watt light. I first bought one to help with Seasonal Affective Disorder about 20 years ago and can't do without it now. It's the perfect light for art and craft folk who need a good throw of light.
I tend to set my Desklamp to white when I work and to warm white when I want to relax. The white light makes it feel light daylight and more pleasing to work with
Nice, white ? NICE WHITE ??!
I love everything about this video. thank you
Good for color grading or illuminating prisons. Warm light for me, please.
i changed my lights to white a couple days ago and i’ve never felt better. also, my family looks t me different now because the rest of the house is bathed in light the color of toast.
I think that the reason so many people believe white light is harsh (me included), is because in the morning and evening, the sunlight that we see has more of a yellow/orange cast. In the middle of the day we see the full spectrum as white, and at this time it does not seem as harsh. If we had lights that tracked similar lighting temperatures in our houses, it would likely be the best fit for most people.
This is a meaningful test: if you see a house with white lights during the day (from the outside), it looks fine. If you drive by that same house at 11:00 PM, it looks terrible (subjective, I know, but it honestly looks like a hospital or office lighting in that situation). It can also influence the natural circadian rhythm as others have said.
I do agree that specific task lighting would need to be considered differently though. Like Posy is showing here.
You seem like such a nice guy Posy, groetjes van de zuiderburen!
I like warm light for getting in the mental headspace for bed time. But to get work done white light is nicer. I actually have all kinds of different light bulbs/temperatures which creates nice color gradients in my room :)
Such a posytive video! 💡
your desk chair makes a much more pleasant sound than mine, its like wood knocking, mine sounds like an animal is being choked and its making loud squeals of pain or something.
I read this and burst out laughing
What I did for photography: a 5000 K lamp (photo/film) as ambient light. Monitor also adjusted to 5500 K white point or thereabouts.
Then, take a printed photo, and adjust the monitor brightness so the screen and print match.
Instant calibration.
i like white light. Many years ago, I switched everything here in our apartment to white LED light
What you really need are bulbs with adjustable colour temperature so you can get EXACTLY the right white light. They are typically better quality too so the white doesn’t have a green tint like the first ones in this video. Philips makes them
White lights are perfect for some settings but it makes everything sterile and kind of sick. I find the best solution is a combination of both. On the ceiling it looks odd, but on the walls and floor the mixture looks nice and pleasing.
Nice set-up. I would like to see more of a tour and what gear you use.
I switched my office lights to Bright White and it's visually striking, however, I realized over time that I don't feel comfortable in my office anymore. I can see clearly what im working on, but i dont like working in there anymore.
Going to switch back to warm.
forgot sorry after that last right
While light hurts my eyes when I'm in the room, but if you're fine with it I agree it looks better :)
Finally an actual lazy video.
I HUNKH to see you soon too
I generally like white light in the day and warm at night, though really it depends on my moods and what I'm doing. My solution has always just been to put white lights in the ceiling and warm lights in the lamps.
worth a try bulbs with adjustable temperature like Philips Hue White ambiance, controlled via bt by phone.
in my view the way light is spreading matter. for example window make very uniform lighting, and very unique. if it bounces from the floor it changes color and spread in all directions with that color. single bulb make very sharp shadows and flat color, very annoying. wonder how would it work with multiple bulbs but pointed at objects / corners. would like to see tests. :)
did not know they made adjustable temperature bulbs, thanks.
This is the first Lazy Posy video that I can finally agree is quite lazy, well done!
Thank you! 😇
@@lazyposy/videos NO! _SORRY!_
**ahem** _sorry_ right?
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I always associated incandescent bulbs with dire and depressing times, I think they look disgusting. I like indirect lighting with slightly warm LED lights and natural light. I really want to get more natural-looking, columnated light in my home but haven't found a good solution.
Mine! My home is with white light too. The best light! No yellow lightbulbs. Here are the color temperatures: 2700K orange-yellow, 4000K yellow-write, 6000K pure white. Why the first 2 options are vastly preferred to the third one for "natural" color reproduction, is a mystery.
I imagine for working yeah having a nice wide-spectrum, fairly even white light probably is good for picking out details and things, but it's probably kinda like, casually listening with studio monitors. It's just not very pleasant or enjoyable. Kinda exhausting, and not really to preference. I can say that I don't care for perfectly EQd speakers for listening but I do kinda like more white light for living spaces, although we're just kinda stuck with what's in the apartment, which I think are halogen. They're basically the color temperature of pre-LED car headlights.
An idea for a lazy ASMR video: Posy rocking on the chair for two hours.
On another note, id really love to hear about your audio setup (perhaps in another lazy video?), especially seeing that you're a 5.1 user, and that you make 5.1 productions, which is becoming rare and rarer as time goes on...
I'm a professional color grader and you're right. Neutral background and white light is the standard for color grading suites. I would suggest getting ambient light behind the TV, that's called bias lighting. For that but also for the room lights, you wanna go D65, or 6500K for the color temperature, but you should also check the CRI (color rendering index) of 90+ for all those lights.
He doesn't need bias lighting, it's an OLED. Bias lighting just constricts your pupils and restricts color gamut volume. Instead, gamma correction is needed to compensate for varying illumination conditions.
I've been running HUE GU10 white and colour ambiance bulbs for a while now and I have them at 5000K during the day and around 2000K at night. I love being able to change the color temperature on the fly!
This, get some temperature-changing bulbs and you'll never have to think about this again. Hue or TRADFRI are safe choices, not sure on CRI performance though.
where I'm from (argentina) everyone started getting white lights some 10 years ago and I hate it. It makes me feel like I'm in a hospital or dentist.
Of course white light is the best for working with color and on kitchens, to see what colour it is what you are cooking, or bathrooms if you want to check your skin/apply make up.
But in living rooms, bedrooms and almost every other space warm light is absolutely the BEST
One of the reasons why 2700k warm white is pretty much the standard in homes, is that what is considered a pleasant color temperature very much depends on the intensity. A 4000k neutral white or 6500k tropical daylight white color temperature is considered pleasant only at much higher intensity levels - such as in work spaces or outdoors in bright sunlight. The darker it gets, the warmer the color needs to be (the lower the color temperature) to still feel pleasant. Think of a candle lit room, versus the same room lit by some low intensity cold white leds.
This means that in a typically somewhat dimly lit room at night, after sunset, the cooler light will feel cold and unpleasant simply because of the intensity. You can make it feel good by increasing the intensity, but bright, cool white lights in the evening are the perfect recipe for a highly disrupted circadian rhythm.
This is probably also the reason why 'Dim to warm' LEDs were introduced that mimic the red shift of dimmed incandescents.
I have a bunch of trees in front of my window which block a lot of daylight. In the daytime, i turn on some 4000k high CRI fluorescents to fill in the gloomy shadows. At night or after sunset i use 2700k LEDs. Each color temperature has its own use, there is no one size fits all.
One big mistake that's often made in replacing fluorescents with LED panels, is to install LEDs with the same luminious flux as the fluorescents, but to install cool white or daylight color panels. This transforms the atmosphere for the worse, because more light is needed for the same pleasant atmosphere.
The fact that narrowband fluorescents can achieve a high CRI tells you how non-useful CRI is.
There's really good >98 CRI LED strips with 5.400k on ebay, they produce around 1k lumens per meter and cost about 10€ per meter. Made in Germany ;)
I use them on my indoor plants, but they produce a really nice neutral light also suitable for workspaces.
Are you reading my mind? A couple days ago I replaced my positively Swedish warm white lamps with inexpensive (read piss poor color rendering) RGBW lamps and was surprised that after tinkering with adaptive lighting they are much more pleasant to the eye. Yes, the colors are way off, but the general idea of matching the color temperature to outside light is solid. Next step is to try some wide range tunable white lamps because out of all colors I'd rather prefer having the ability to turn on sunset red.
Due lack of more footage I keep reusing this shot
being from the cold frigid north of norway, 2700K is the standard here, and i love it.
Somethimes wish it was even lower.
i use a cheap studio 800led light with brightness and color temp regulators. I match it to make already existing daylight brighter
For a while now most of our homes in my countries have been using LEDs which are generally nice and white. Maybe you can find LED instead of gas/filament lights (beware that LEDs are much much stronger at the same Watt equivalent as other lights, I learned that by accident first time)
I think it may have more to due with the colour spectrum on the lamp compared to the ceiling lights. You could test some full spectrum lights of different colour temperature and see.
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natural neutral white aka sun light ranges from 5000K to 6000K depending on time and weather. This is why the "most white" white light is 5500K.
Hey google, all lights daylight
you could always have adjustable lights or multiple fixtures
I buy high CRI LEDs with the same white point as my display to try to keep things neutral
Here Daylight is the norm.
Don't forget to switch back to warm light in the evening, or you'll suffer insomnia.
check the CRI of bulbs. this is a forgotten setting.
They were supposed to be quite high, but the color temperature is just weird, my mistake..
The curse of bad CRI lights strikes again.
This has nothing to do with CRI
In other cultures it's normal to have cool white, such as in the middle east. I don't know why.
Me watching this video in monochrome.
I find warm light easier on the eyes so my screen is tinted and now it looks normal to me
but If I remove the tint then everything looks blue
so If I wanted to do colour grading I'd need to spend a bunch of time readjusting my eyes
Look into Elgato's key lights, I use them a buch for just working on electronics too
What about color changing bulps where you can set your preferred white tone? I have those at home (they only do different white temperatures) and I love them. I can change it to the white level I want depending on the mood and daytime.
Light nerd here. Warm white lights (2700K) are cozy and good for the living room or bed room, but not really suitable as work lights. For that, neutral white (4000K) or daylight (5800K) is preferable. Daylight has to be extremly bright to mimic the light of the sun, otherwise it will just look gray and unpleasant. And make sure to get lights with a color rendering index (cri, sometimes also labeled as Ra) of at least 80 or better 90 regardless of color temperature, otherwise all colours will look ugly.
Make sure you spend at least an hour under warm white light before going to bed, otherwise your sleep cycle will be thrown off.
light nerd here? oh please.
what was the deal with your chair again? you redid the fabric on a herman millar chair (from what I remember), but I didn't know there was a cork version. It looks really nice
The fabric is custom :) This is an RH chair bit I don’t like it after a longer time…
If you are editing footage with a D65 white point, you should use a 6500 kelvin light.
Which seems really blue until you adjust
From what I have read online, the most neutral white color is 5000K. So perhaps you should find yourself some lights in that temperature or similar and see what you think of that.
Do they not have bulbs in your size that produce "Daylight White" 5600K-6500K?
I have some expensive fancy Philips Hue smart bulbs. I own both white and color + white varieties. The white is "Warm White to Cool Daylight" and go from 2200K to 6500K. They mimic daylight really well, and blend in perfectly with both the daylight and my studio lights (which are 5600K). Standard North American bulb size (A19), but I don't know what bulb size you have there
Neutral white daylight is 6500K. That's also the target when you color calibrate a tv or monitor. It will look bluish initially but your eyes will get used to it quickly. I'm surprised you didn't mention D65 at all, which makes me wonder, did you calibrate that tv? If you are serious about color grading, it is an absolute must. Do yourself a favor and get a copy of CalMAN, a C6 HDR meter, and calibrate that tv. With a lot of modern televisions (like LG OLEDs) it is an automatic process, for SDR as well as HDR.
A CCT of 6500K is not the same as D65. D65 is a standard for video production environments but not print. The purpose of calibration is to create a psychovisual match between varying viewing conditions. Thus, it is possible to calibrate to an offset white point if you have warm lighting. He doesn't need a meter; most TVs are good enough, and people won't recognize color mistakes anyway. Gamma correction is also important and no single target can match across light conditions experienced over the course of a day.
full spectrum LEDs are better, not sure if you got those kinds
I replaced most lights in the house with daylight temperature... Around 5600k 3:03 so I could also shoot video inside
Im curious, would it be much flexible if you install a multi color lamp that can be changed using an app or a rotator or slider. Might be an option to have various light condition including a dimmer or a brighter light
The studio light looks really similar to daylight. Have you thought about installing an artifical window?
It's all daylight. All of these colors are white light.
(Due to lack of more streams of thought, I keep reusing this comment)
5500-4500K are the best obviously.
just out of curiosity, why the middle channel speaker? it is aimed directly towards the computer screen.
do you remove the forward screen to listen to details in the middle channel?
i assumed that anyone working with color and light needs to have a dark room.
glossy screens needs dark rooms, and also some oleds do not work with bright rooms.
It depends on the content. HDR content needs a darker environment because the display cannot be turned brighter to compensate for higher ambient viewing light level.
cool white is too sanitary and harsh imo
I'll never understand people that want to live life in shades of piss.
Do you really need that third Neumann KH 310 A L in the center?
I can't stand white lights, the ones on my house were all white when I first moved in, luckily they have a switch inside the fitting to switch them to warm. I think there's something unique about your brain that makes you like cool white, because I'd expect most people to either prefer the colour they grew up with, or prefer warm lighting because cooler lights are typically used in workplaces 😅, so if you use cool lights at home it makes it feel like an office 🕴️
You can definitely get white led lights in GU10 light fitting, you should probably return those ones where you bought them from for false advertising... It looks like they put the wrong ones in the box... (unless you colour graded the footage to be whiter than it actually was... 🤨)
GU10's are so uncommon in the states
i genuinely thought you were pretending to loop the footage during the intro and just tilting your head REALLY fast in sync with the chair and video on the monitor,,,