0:40: Maintains comfortable distance from curb on curves. 2:00: Considers passing bus at bus stop. 3:35 & 5:15 & 11:35: Biases toward center-line on unlaned road. 6:15: Goes around car making turn at light. 8:15: Avoids curb on tight right turn. 9:25: Not bothered by pedestrian walking into road and waiting to enter car. Very impressive. 10:05: UPL at intersection, with heavy traffic. 13:45: Construction zone - smooth as butter! 14:40: Passes too close to construction barrier. 15:50: Sharp left in intersection with construction obstructing turn lane. 16:40: Entering highway. 19:20: Lane-changes for car/pedestrian on side of road. 27:14: Navigates confusing intersection, then lane-changes without signaling, cutting off traffic, into wrong lane, and for no apparent reason. 28:40: Slows drastically for no apparent reason. 29:30: Weird intersection. 30:40: Runs over potholes. 32:25: Passes cop car with flashing lights; no issue. 32:40: No issue with pedestrian walking in road, toward car. 33:20: Good creep to see past vehicle at blind intersection. 35:45: Waits then passes car parking and driver exiting. 36:30: Gives room to pedestrian climbing onto truck. 36:40: No issue intruding on bike lane to get around parked FedEx. 37:00: Not bothered by pedestrian partially crossing street. 37:15: Too close to parked cars. 37:25: Stops for crappy human driver running stop sign. 37:50: Passes truck awkwardly intruding into lane. 38:05: UPL with traffic. 38:45: Not bothered by cyclist crossing in front. 39:15: Good sharp turn. 39:45: Makes illegal right on red.
I use to think black tesla was too critical of FSD but now that we are getting down to these later builds I must say i appreciate his criticisms 100% now because when he says it’s good it must be really good. love the videos definitely one of the few channels I run to for a benchmark when new versions hit.
I've seen MANY people complaining about how long it takes for FSD to bring the car to a stop at red lights but I think it's great because it forces drivers behind you to ease into the stop as well. It helps mitigate the risks of rear-end collisions. Great safety feature in my opinion.
Interesting point. I feel the early stopping is more pronounced at stop signs, which is getting a bit annoying. Basically, in many cases it is stopping twice at stop signs as a result, which isn’t very human-like.
Are people seriously getting worked up about having to drive up to a RED LIGHT slowly? Dude...it's fucking red...not like you're going anywhere. Braking slowly should be much easier to react to as well.
I have 12.3.4. I hope that 12.3.5 fixes the several left turn problems I still have and even more importantly the failure to slow down in school zones when children are present. I would think that if one single child gets hurt in a school zone, because the final unsupervised version of FSD (when that ever happens) failed to slow down, it would be disastrous for Tesla. The FSD team needs to address this immediately if they haven't already addressed it in 12.3.5. Great video Black Tesla.
Only two real take over situations. Only one of them was an illegal maneuver at the very end of the video. Going right on a red arrow. The other one might have worked itself out without taking over the wheel. Overall, driving well over 40 minutes on city to highway to city driving. I'm very impressed.
Totally agree with your critique of the friction braking issue. I have noticed it during my FSD drives as well. Prefer regenerative braking for slowing down. Thanks for your outstanding reviews on FSD. Also agree with your assessment on the refreshed Model 3 performance. Tesla hit a homerun with this refresh and we will be ordering one to replace my wife's 2018 M3.
At 34:42 your 'phantom brake' situation was on review a purple bag carrying person half hidden behind the power pole on te lefthand sidewalk, which FSD visualised. Person was droftong around behind boot area and could jave easily not been paying good attention to road as is often the case when on a ohone unpacking shopping from trunk.
Construction: it was following other cars, it always does well when that's the situation, testers need to disengage go around, then wait until no traffic or in front of traffic and handle the decisions with no lead cars.
It’s getting pretty good now BT. It’s allegedly coming to Europe shortly, so it will be interesting to see how it handles our much more congested and compact roads, roundabouts, cars parked in the driving lane you have to drive around, potholes etc. it really needs to start reasonably dodging potholes as a human would do.
The way you shot your video is amazing and enjoyable to watch I'm hoping that this technology will be to something that will help those of us who are visually impaired who have stopped driving what are looking for something to put us back on the road thanks for this amazing video
75 yo Canadian man here, a tiny retail $TSLA buy/hold investor. Thank you for the video! I've never been to Hoboken, NJ, and likely will never visit, but this test drive gave me a quick peek at the area. MUCH higher human & automobile population density than my little agricultural town in southern British Columbia. FSD 12.3.5 is coming along nicely - I'm looking forward to owning a Model 2 with FSD when my wife & I are too old to drive ourselves... LOL
Kinda unrelated to the exact content of this video vs your others, but I just wanted to say the excitement I felt, when I finally sat down for the evening and opened UA-cam to see you posted a new video, and of the latest FSD build, was very real. Thanks for still making these videos. Watching this technology evolve from your POV is a very welcome experience in my life
In its worst case, if only used to compliment the driver for additional safety (as a copilot), it will reduce the number of accidents on the road by a lot
Yeah, less friction brake for comfort, safety and efficiency. Here in the mountains of Colorado, fast braking isn't a good idea most months of the year due to potential wet ice, especially dicey on a downhill, even with good tires.
Wow! Looks an order of magnitude better than 12.3.4. But it's only with your videos I notice the difference, as most other cities are far easier than NY on FSD. Curious to see Chuck Cook's left turn tests... 12.3.4 was a regression at that, from 12.3.3. Hope 12.3.5 nails that one.
Could you please summarize your impressions at the end of the videos? Sometimes I'd like to just scroll to the end to hear your final thoughts. Thank you!
17:54 I really wish you would use your influence to make more of an issue of this. Even in Chill mode, which I always use, it gets way too close to the cars in front sometimes. So I hit the brake, I get the popup and tell them why I stopped autopilot, but it never improves. I'm sure they could fix this, but they don't. Rear-end collisions are easily avoidable if you just follow the two-second rule. I've been hit from behind at least three times in my life because people don't do it. And FSD doesn't do it, and it makes me feel like a bad driver. (And is it really going to help anybody if they get to their destination one second sooner?) Just a request. Thanks for your great work.
I've reported it several times off camera. It's a known issue but if it hasn't been fixed then it must be lower on their priority list. Since it's a safety issue I'm hopeful it will get resolved soon.
@@BlackTesla Thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was wondering if you'd be willing to discuss it in your videos, but I don't know that it would matter. But yes, it's a safety issue and I've considered reporting it to the NTSB, since Tesla doesn't seem interested. I just looked up the statistics. There are 1.7 million rear-end collisions every year, resulting in 500,000 injuries and 1700 deaths. And everybody's biggest worry about driving further back is that too many cars will pull in front of them. But if you always stay two seconds behind the car in front, that means every car that pulls in front of you is making you two seconds later to your destination. If 30 cars pull in front of you on your way to work, you'll get to work one minute later. That's a trade-off I think we should learn to live with.
Thanks for your insightful video. Always very informative illustration of FSD capabilities. What are your current FSD settings for this version( auto speed, etc)?
Those white wood barriers did seem awfully close. Does it do a better job of naturally slowing down for stop signs, red lights, stopped cars? One thing I hate is how overly abrupt it is. I'm on v12.3.4
The version 12 has gotten much better in smoothness overall but the excessive use of friction brakes is not ideal. It would be much better if it would take a little bit longer to slow down and or start slowing down earlier so that it could use the exceptional smoothness of the regenerative breaking and also reduce the wear and tear on the friction brakes. That’s one of the many benefits of having an electric vehicle and if that feature is actively ignore that then that’s kind of silly.
Is FSD essentially entering every situation for the very first time with a prime directive of just don't hit anything since it doesn't appear to be "memorizing" the idiosyncrasies of particular intersections or situations that it repeatedly encounters along daily routes? It would be great if one could pin certain parts along their daily usual routes to enable the vehicle to follow brief driver input patterns in order to avoid potholes or deep hole covers etc. on subsequent drives. Also, perhaps a special light signalling surrounding drivers that FSD is active would help reduce their bewilderments until it's 100%.
All signs point to FSD being unable to learn from user data directly. FSD runs on an AI model that is generated via previously collected human driving footage. It appears that once the model is generated, it's read-only until the model is generated again and a new version is released.
@@DerekDavis213 Yes. Based on my experience thus far, it seems like that will be a tough level to reach for all situations. However, FSD's current abilities definitely seem 100% adequate for enhancing real world safety by, for example, taking over to stop along the roadside in a health related emergency situation or even to operate the slow-moving Optimus platform. When do you think FSD will be Level 5?
@@garrymullins Thanks! That explains a lot! FSD performs surprisingly well in areas I thought it would falter, and not so well in several seemingly normal areas (incorrect speed, sudden braking, hesitations, wrong positioning, etc.). Definitely an exciting and difficult endeavour.
Hopefully soon. V11 is very solid on the highway but could benefit from some of the advances of v12 like auto offset and getting up to speed quickly for merging cars
You seem a sensible auditor of FSD, understanding its limitations and not buying into the hype too much. Based on the latest version / rate of recent improvements, what timeframe do you put on FSD being robotaxi ready? (just the tech, not regulatory approval)
It seems like they are building a dedicated robotaxi to facilitate that reality. I think they are using mass data to gain regulatory approval to allow FSD to ascend the autonomy scale from 2 to 3, 4, 5. Only when it's level 5 will it be able to do personal robotaxi and I think that's a few years away.
It appears that the new UI is based on what they did with Cybertruck UI. I’m going to be a bit bummed on my 2018 model 3 not having it. That performance 3 looks enticing but rivian prices pretty nice right now and I have a cybertruck reserved so trying to figure out if I want a truck with a baby on the way and move away from my 3 life momentarily.
Interesting conundrum but good either way. I'd say Rivian is more kid friendly than the CT, but if it's between the 3 and CT I'd go with the CT for 90 degree rear doors easier for car seats.
Unfortunately, we from other countries can only watch and drool. Last year Tesla officially started selling in Malaysia, but FSD is not available (tho you can pay for it). Any idea when it'll come to Malaysia? Could it be due to right hand drive?
Don’t have .5 yet, but I love .4… around town, that is. My M3LR gets scary on interstate level driving. The problem is that at the higher speeds, 70-80mph, in FSD the car start slightly swerving to the right, as if the car is out of alignment, before the autosteer pulls the car back straight in the lane. It’s a slight back and forth swerve but once it starts it repeats fairly rapidly until the swerves become more pronounced and the car corrects itself by dropping the max speed from as high as 80 to 40 mph. Scary? F*ck, yes! It happens all the time. I’ve entered a bug report; just curious if you’ve heard anything like this. Big fan! Keep ridin’!
My chief dissatisfaction with 12.3 is still lane selection on the highway. For example, if I know that a lane is going to disappear in about a half mile (merge left or merge right), I don't want FSD to switch into those lanes within that distance. I still know more than FSD does about lane selection....especially important in NYC area where nobody give anybody an even break. So do you see any improvement in lane selection with this new version?
If your issue is lane selection on the highway then you're still talking v11 as v12 is only updated city streets highway is still v11 and its the same. V12.3.5 does improve lane selection for city streets tho
@@BlackTesla My experience is that high speed merge is much improved in v. 12.3.x. I suppose that merges onto highways might be interpreted as "city streets" or "highway", but it seems to be improved both for FSD-v. 12.x entering high-speed traffic from an on-ramp or even with a car on the high-speed expressway, controlled by FSD, accommodating merging traffic. Although nominally, according to the official rules of the road, vehicles merging into high-speed flow are supposed to "yield" to through traffic (at least in some jurisdictions and some circumstances). In fact, the undocumented etiquette is for the express-way traffic to move over a lane away from the merging traffic to allow unfettered acceleration of the merging traffic without "yielding" from a standing stop. As far as I can tell, FSD does not yet take this "etiquette usage" into account.
you used to talk about how it feels less relaxing, almost like being in the car with a new/teen driver. would you say that has been drastically reduced? or basically you still need to be alert a lot of the time?
Currently on FSD 12.3.4 -- my main complaints: worse behavior than Autopilot on the turns in the beginning and end of the Lincoln Tunnel tubes. Autopilot was going at normal speed, FSD would hit the brakes and slow down to crawl, until I really lean on the accelerator. Turn-by-turn navigation -- I frequently have to disengage because I disagree with the navigation choices, or they are outright wrong (pulling into the Tesla Supercharger NJ Turnpike going south in Cranberry - it picked the truck entry (vs the car entry) from where there was no access to the where the Supercharger stalls were. In general, I hate Route 1 and thus stay on the turnpike for one extra exit when going to/from Princeton. Always have to disengage to do it. Navigation should figure out what my repeated preferences are, and keep them on frequent routes, unless there has been an accident or massive construction blocking traffic. But overall all, I am happy with FSD, the left turns I've taken went fine. Biggest improvement over (enhanced) Autopilot -- FSD will go more than five MPH above the speed limit on two way roads to keep up with traffic. This is an area I always had disengage Autopilot, now I just leave FSD engaged. (Our Tesla was bought with FSD in 2020, but until "Supervised" took over Beta I was just using the default Enhanced Autopilot.)
I’d be interested in comments relative to use as a robotaxi. Uncomfortable is one thing but note anything that would make an autonomous ride fail. Seems it could complete if was a taxi. How confident are you it could serve as a taxi now??
Well it needs to be able to reverse and right now it can't. So if it needed to make a K-turn out of a dead end it would just be stuck, so a ways away but not insurmountable
Twice. At the end it was turning on a red arrow as as he exited the highway it mysteriously straddled into another lane with a car 3m behind - not a potentia laccident but possibly a honk and some breaking.
i'm surprised that the car will go 34 in a 25. it's good until you get a ticket. will tesla be paying those tickets when it goes level 4 or will they tone down the speed?
You can turn right on a red right arrow, unless there is a sign that specifically says no right on red. It’s confusing, I know, but FSD wasn’t wrong there.
That is incorrect my friend. Red arrow means no turning until the light turns. It is illegal and FSD was wrong sadly. driversed.com/driving-information/signs-signals-and-markings/traffic-signals/
@@BlackTesla Not sure which state that drivers ed website is from but the law differs from state to state. You were driving in New Jersey where it is legal to make such a right turn on a red arrow. I pasted a link to a shmoop article but youtube removed my post. Just google “can you turn right on a red arrow in new jersey”.
You can turn on red arrow if there is an alternate path. But if the only direction is right and there is a red arrow you can't, add to that there is a clear no turn on red sign there as well. Poor showing foe FSD but correct you can turn on red arrow ok other occaisions.
Same. It's amazing on the highway, but in my area, Boston subs, every turn is blind, roads aren't marked very well and it's rare that I can do an interventionless drive. early in the morning when no cars are on the road it's fine... highway it's fine. Around town here it's a disaster and I intervene often and every time I send them the reports. It will get better eventually, but it will have to break a lot of rules to drive right in this area.
At this point FSD is so good the FSD users have to nitpick even the turn signals not being turned on. Because that can cost anyone a ticket from a stickler of a police officer 🚓🚨
Latest News ( copied from CNBC web site ) about TESLA Auto Pilot: Federal regulator finds Tesla Autopilot has 'critical safety gap' linked to hundreds of collisions. Federal authorities say a "critical safety gap" in Tesla's Autopilot system contributed to at least 467 collisions, 13 resulting in fatalities. The findings come from a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration analysis of 956 crashes in which Tesla Autopilot was thought to have been in use. Tesla's Autopilot design has "led to foreseeable misuse and avoidable crashes," the NHTSA report said.
I do not like how close it hugs boundaries. On a residential street with no oncoming traffic, why so close to parked cars? I feel like I've wasted the free trial.
I suspect that since it updates it path many times per second no chance of FSD hitting a parked car is zero while a human pushing it that close is taking chances.
I think Elon meant 12.4 and 12.5 are big updates. Not 12.3.X
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Yes I agree, although it’s easy to get confused
Agreed. 12.3.5 seems like more of the same.
I guess no improvement again lol @tonymci
He definitely did.
0:40: Maintains comfortable distance from curb on curves.
2:00: Considers passing bus at bus stop.
3:35 & 5:15 & 11:35: Biases toward center-line on unlaned road.
6:15: Goes around car making turn at light.
8:15: Avoids curb on tight right turn.
9:25: Not bothered by pedestrian walking into road and waiting to enter car. Very impressive.
10:05: UPL at intersection, with heavy traffic.
13:45: Construction zone - smooth as butter!
14:40: Passes too close to construction barrier.
15:50: Sharp left in intersection with construction obstructing turn lane.
16:40: Entering highway.
19:20: Lane-changes for car/pedestrian on side of road.
27:14: Navigates confusing intersection, then lane-changes without signaling, cutting off traffic, into wrong lane, and for no apparent reason.
28:40: Slows drastically for no apparent reason.
29:30: Weird intersection.
30:40: Runs over potholes.
32:25: Passes cop car with flashing lights; no issue.
32:40: No issue with pedestrian walking in road, toward car.
33:20: Good creep to see past vehicle at blind intersection.
35:45: Waits then passes car parking and driver exiting.
36:30: Gives room to pedestrian climbing onto truck.
36:40: No issue intruding on bike lane to get around parked FedEx.
37:00: Not bothered by pedestrian partially crossing street.
37:15: Too close to parked cars.
37:25: Stops for crappy human driver running stop sign.
37:50: Passes truck awkwardly intruding into lane.
38:05: UPL with traffic.
38:45: Not bothered by cyclist crossing in front.
39:15: Good sharp turn.
39:45: Makes illegal right on red.
I use to think black tesla was too critical of FSD but now that we are getting down to these later builds I must say i appreciate his criticisms 100% now because when he says it’s good it must be really good. love the videos definitely one of the few channels I run to for a benchmark when new versions hit.
Thank you
Exactly my thought.
I've seen MANY people complaining about how long it takes for FSD to bring the car to a stop at red lights but I think it's great because it forces drivers behind you to ease into the stop as well. It helps mitigate the risks of rear-end collisions. Great safety feature in my opinion.
Interesting point. I feel the early stopping is more pronounced at stop signs, which is getting a bit annoying. Basically, in many cases it is stopping twice at stop signs as a result, which isn’t very human-like.
It pisses everyone off. People honk at me every time if I don't use the accelerator and drive like a normal person.
@@johnfurr6060 Because of the annoyance to other drivers I'm not sure I would even want to use FSD.
It's how drive, ROLL TO A STOP
Are people seriously getting worked up about having to drive up to a RED LIGHT slowly? Dude...it's fucking red...not like you're going anywhere. Braking slowly should be much easier to react to as well.
I can’t wait to get this , tesla going all in Fsd omg
I have 12.3.4. I hope that 12.3.5 fixes the several left turn problems I still have and even more importantly the failure to slow down in school zones when children are present. I would think that if one single child gets hurt in a school zone, because the final unsupervised version of FSD (when that ever happens) failed to slow down, it would be disastrous for Tesla. The FSD team needs to address this immediately if they haven't already addressed it in 12.3.5. Great video Black Tesla.
Only two real take over situations. Only one of them was an illegal maneuver at the very end of the video. Going right on a red arrow. The other one might have worked itself out without taking over the wheel. Overall, driving well over 40 minutes on city to highway to city driving. I'm very impressed.
It is amazing how far it has come! Go FSD!
Totally agree with your critique of the friction braking issue. I have noticed it during my FSD drives as well. Prefer regenerative braking for slowing down. Thanks for your outstanding reviews on FSD. Also agree with your assessment on the refreshed Model 3 performance. Tesla hit a homerun with this refresh and we will be ordering one to replace my wife's 2018 M3.
This is one of the best FSD test videos.
God I could watch this FSD vids all day. So fascinating how the tesla ghost is steering the car
At 34:42 your 'phantom brake' situation was on review a purple bag carrying person half hidden behind the power pole on te lefthand sidewalk, which FSD visualised. Person was droftong around behind boot area and could jave easily not been paying good attention to road as is often the case when on a ohone unpacking shopping from trunk.
Possible but it doesn't react to people on the sidewalk walking unless they are approaching the edge. Person with the purple bag was just walking
The fsd is politely asking you to go snatch that purse
Incredible. Can't wait to get this version.
I love how it doesnt annoy you every 5 seconds like some other OEM's do, plus the quick continuation after a full stop and when ready to go 👍
Construction: it was following other cars, it always does well when that's the situation, testers need to disengage go around, then wait until no traffic or in front of traffic and handle the decisions with no lead cars.
It’s getting pretty good now BT. It’s allegedly coming to Europe shortly, so it will be interesting to see how it handles our much more congested and compact roads, roundabouts, cars parked in the driving lane you have to drive around, potholes etc. it really needs to start reasonably dodging potholes as a human would do.
Thanks for once again , proving you are the ONLY ,FSD test driving video needed
Mightily impressive!
The way you shot your video is amazing and enjoyable to watch I'm hoping that this technology will be to something that will help those of us who are visually impaired who have stopped driving what are looking for something to put us back on the road thanks for this amazing video
It’s so cool watching it make these decisions that it really struggled with 2-3 years ago
75 yo Canadian man here, a tiny retail $TSLA buy/hold investor. Thank you for the video! I've never been to Hoboken, NJ, and likely will never visit, but this test drive gave me a quick peek at the area. MUCH higher human & automobile population density than my little agricultural town in southern British Columbia.
FSD 12.3.5 is coming along nicely - I'm looking forward to owning a Model 2 with FSD when my wife & I are too old to drive ourselves... LOL
great stuff, very relaxing to listen to you
Kinda unrelated to the exact content of this video vs your others, but I just wanted to say the excitement I felt, when I finally sat down for the evening and opened UA-cam to see you posted a new video, and of the latest FSD build, was very real. Thanks for still making these videos. Watching this technology evolve from your POV is a very welcome experience in my life
Thank you
That was incredible 😮 drive hello total recall
27:20 now that is a bug it should be looked at ASAP
That's a pretty routine manuever where I live. I report it often.
That sucks about the potholes, it's the number one reason why i take over if i know there are lots of pot holes because FSD won't avoid them yet.
今年2024是特斯拉FSD技術的元年🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
very good.
Very good video. You are a fantastic Test driver for me ,I will get more confidence with learning from your videos. Thank you.
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mindblowing!
thanks for your good work,
kind regards from hamburg / germany
thomas
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10:14 that's so cool
In its worst case, if only used to compliment the driver for additional safety (as a copilot), it will reduce the number of accidents on the road by a lot
I’ve also experienced occasional FSD refusal to change lanes when directed by manual turn signal actuation since v12.3.3.
If FSD refuses to change lanes, then what? Disengagement?
@@DerekDavis213 Based on my experience, it will deny the first time and executes the lane change the second time when I triggered the turning signal.
Highway is on a different software stack.
@@wonderInNoWhere I don't like an FSD that ignores my commands. I am the owner, the boss, and the brains in the car.
@@DerekDavis213 I can’t agree more.
It’s getting real good ❤
Yeah, less friction brake for comfort, safety and efficiency. Here in the mountains of Colorado, fast braking isn't a good idea most months of the year due to potential wet ice, especially dicey on a downhill, even with good tires.
Why did it not indicate at 15:50?
A miss is as good as a mile !
Wow! Looks an order of magnitude better than 12.3.4.
But it's only with your videos I notice the difference, as most other cities are far easier than NY on FSD.
Curious to see Chuck Cook's left turn tests... 12.3.4 was a regression at that, from 12.3.3. Hope 12.3.5 nails that one.
If FSD becomes too human like, you'll be flagging it all day. Nice video
Thanks again!!
Good test. Issues here and there.
Could you please summarize your impressions at the end of the videos? Sometimes I'd like to just scroll to the end to hear your final thoughts. Thank you!
Thanks for all the great rides and commentary! Do you have an idea of how many FSD miles you've driven (supervised)?
🤔 not sure
FSD did well. But what about the same trip at night, or in the rain?
Works well at night and moderate rain
Why are people not jogging on the pedestrian paths and rather on the road, which is more dangerous (imo)? I saw that in Chuck Cook's videos too.
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Because NY has the best lawyers in the World.
17:54 I really wish you would use your influence to make more of an issue of this. Even in Chill mode, which I always use, it gets way too close to the cars in front sometimes. So I hit the brake, I get the popup and tell them why I stopped autopilot, but it never improves. I'm sure they could fix this, but they don't. Rear-end collisions are easily avoidable if you just follow the two-second rule. I've been hit from behind at least three times in my life because people don't do it. And FSD doesn't do it, and it makes me feel like a bad driver. (And is it really going to help anybody if they get to their destination one second sooner?)
Just a request. Thanks for your great work.
I've reported it several times off camera. It's a known issue but if it hasn't been fixed then it must be lower on their priority list. Since it's a safety issue I'm hopeful it will get resolved soon.
@@BlackTesla Thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was wondering if you'd be willing to discuss it in your videos, but I don't know that it would matter. But yes, it's a safety issue and I've considered reporting it to the NTSB, since Tesla doesn't seem interested.
I just looked up the statistics. There are 1.7 million rear-end collisions every year, resulting in 500,000 injuries and 1700 deaths. And everybody's biggest worry about driving further back is that too many cars will pull in front of them. But if you always stay two seconds behind the car in front, that means every car that pulls in front of you is making you two seconds later to your destination. If 30 cars pull in front of you on your way to work, you'll get to work one minute later. That's a trade-off I think we should learn to live with.
did it pick up the fence at 14:43? look either very confident or completely oblivious
How is it at night since it is camera based system?
Thanks for your insightful video. Always very informative illustration of FSD capabilities. What are your current FSD settings for this version( auto speed, etc)?
Auto offset ON, Average FSD profile
Does anyone how he is able to go for so long without having to touch the steering wheel? I thought it usually requires some force on the wheel.
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can you summarize how many intervention during this trip?
2
Would be nice if at the start we knew the route to be taken and the location.
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Thanks for all the great videos and tests. Is it too much to ask what you think might be the ultimate best setting FOR FSD V12 3.6?
Average Profile + Auto Offset On + Minimal Lane changes
@BlackTesla tanks for the quick answer and keep up the good work!
what's the time between nags on the yoke?
Those white wood barriers did seem awfully close. Does it do a better job of naturally slowing down for stop signs, red lights, stopped cars? One thing I hate is how overly abrupt it is. I'm on v12.3.4
Still heavy on the friction brakes for v12 so it feels more abrupt
The version 12 has gotten much better in smoothness overall but the excessive use of friction brakes is not ideal. It would be much better if it would take a little bit longer to slow down and or start slowing down earlier so that it could use the exceptional smoothness of the regenerative breaking and also reduce the wear and tear on the friction brakes. That’s one of the many benefits of having an electric vehicle and if that feature is actively ignore that then that’s kind of silly.
Is FSD essentially entering every situation for the very first time with a prime directive of just don't hit anything since it doesn't appear to be "memorizing" the idiosyncrasies of particular intersections or situations that it repeatedly encounters along daily routes?
It would be great if one could pin certain parts along their daily usual routes to enable the vehicle to follow brief driver input patterns in order to avoid potholes or deep hole covers etc. on subsequent drives.
Also, perhaps a special light signalling surrounding drivers that FSD is active would help reduce their bewilderments until it's 100%.
And when do you think FSD will be 100% ? You mean Level 5 Full Autonomy?
All signs point to FSD being unable to learn from user data directly. FSD runs on an AI model that is generated via previously collected human driving footage. It appears that once the model is generated, it's read-only until the model is generated again and a new version is released.
@@DerekDavis213 Yes.
Based on my experience thus far, it seems like that will be a tough level to reach for all situations.
However, FSD's current abilities definitely seem 100% adequate for enhancing real world safety by, for example, taking over to stop along the roadside in a health related emergency situation or even to operate the slow-moving Optimus platform.
When do you think FSD will be Level 5?
Memorizing something ll overload the system. And the concept of HNN ll be nothing
@@garrymullins Thanks! That explains a lot!
FSD performs surprisingly well in areas I thought it would falter, and not so well in several seemingly normal areas (incorrect speed, sudden braking, hesitations, wrong positioning, etc.). Definitely an exciting and difficult endeavour.
How did you flag something at 16:20 without pressing the voice command?
I have a special button for early access
Localizing FSD is going to be interesting. It's legal where I live to turn right on a red arrow, but looks like it's not legal in New York.
It's legal to turn when it's not the only path and when there is a sign that says no turn on red
Please demo dropping a pin in a location like a Costco parking lot, have your car navigate there, and watch it auto park itself in a stall. Thank you.
Not sure we get that on the east coast but will try again
If FSD were allowed in Germany, I would buy a Tesla especially to make such videos and feed FSD with data
What does Supervised Full Self Drive even mean? Is it something like a square circle?
Good vid
TSLA letsgooo
When do you think v12 will replace v11 on highways? Just curious what you think. Thanks.
hopefully NOT soon. V11 on highway is absolutely amazing. v12 around town, here anyway, is very sketchy. Leave highway alone for now!!!
Yes!!! Definitely need it. V11 totally sucks on the freeway. Drives me freaking nuts.
Hopefully soon. V11 is very solid on the highway but could benefit from some of the advances of v12 like auto offset and getting up to speed quickly for merging cars
You seem a sensible auditor of FSD, understanding its limitations and not buying into the hype too much. Based on the latest version / rate of recent improvements, what timeframe do you put on FSD being robotaxi ready? (just the tech, not regulatory approval)
It seems like they are building a dedicated robotaxi to facilitate that reality. I think they are using mass data to gain regulatory approval to allow FSD to ascend the autonomy scale from 2 to 3, 4, 5. Only when it's level 5 will it be able to do personal robotaxi and I think that's a few years away.
What about the blinkers on the S curve on your usual course? The blinkers would turn on just because of the curve. Is that fixed?
Nope
It appears that the new UI is based on what they did with Cybertruck UI. I’m going to be a bit bummed on my 2018 model 3 not having it. That performance 3 looks enticing but rivian prices pretty nice right now and I have a cybertruck reserved so trying to figure out if I want a truck with a baby on the way and move away from my 3 life momentarily.
Interesting conundrum but good either way. I'd say Rivian is more kid friendly than the CT, but if it's between the 3 and CT I'd go with the CT for 90 degree rear doors easier for car seats.
Unfortunately, we from other countries can only watch and drool. Last year Tesla officially started selling in Malaysia, but FSD is not available (tho you can pay for it). Any idea when it'll come to Malaysia? Could it be due to right hand drive?
I believe they're working on other countries but I think they need data from the US to help get domestic and international approval
@@BlackTesla So please you guys .. please use more FSD so that other countries will have the balls to approve it too!
Looks like Elon is lobbying for FSD in LHD countries saying RHD countries will be a bit longer
Does it try to avoid potholes and does it slow down for speed bumps?
No and yes
Don’t have .5 yet, but I love .4… around town, that is. My M3LR gets scary on interstate level driving. The problem is that at the higher speeds, 70-80mph, in FSD the car start slightly swerving to the right, as if the car is out of alignment, before the autosteer pulls the car back straight in the lane. It’s a slight back and forth swerve but once it starts it repeats fairly rapidly until the swerves become more pronounced and the car corrects itself by dropping the max speed from as high as 80 to 40 mph. Scary? F*ck, yes! It happens all the time. I’ve entered a bug report; just curious if you’ve heard anything like this. Big fan! Keep ridin’!
Check your actual alignment as well, AP/FSD is good for sussing out alignment issues
My chief dissatisfaction with 12.3 is still lane selection on the highway. For example, if I know that a lane is going to disappear in about a half mile (merge left or merge right), I don't want FSD to switch into those lanes within that distance. I still know more than FSD does about lane selection....especially important in NYC area where nobody give anybody an even break. So do you see any improvement in lane selection with this new version?
If your issue is lane selection on the highway then you're still talking v11 as v12 is only updated city streets highway is still v11 and its the same. V12.3.5 does improve lane selection for city streets tho
@@BlackTesla My experience is that high speed merge is much improved in v. 12.3.x. I suppose that merges onto highways might be interpreted as "city streets" or "highway", but it seems to be improved both for FSD-v. 12.x entering high-speed traffic from an on-ramp or even with a car on the high-speed expressway, controlled by FSD, accommodating merging traffic. Although nominally, according to the official rules of the road, vehicles merging into high-speed flow are supposed to "yield" to through traffic (at least in some jurisdictions and some circumstances). In fact, the undocumented etiquette is for the express-way traffic to move over a lane away from the merging traffic to allow unfettered acceleration of the merging traffic without "yielding" from a standing stop. As far as I can tell, FSD does not yet take this "etiquette usage" into account.
you used to talk about how it feels less relaxing, almost like being in the car with a new/teen driver. would you say that has been drastically reduced? or basically you still need to be alert a lot of the time?
It feels like a more seasoned driver now but it still makes mistakes so you always need to be alert
What did you mean when you said 'where last time we crashed'? Software crashed, video log crashed, or physical collision of some sort?
Software crash, see our FSD NYC video
Thanks for your work your videos are so well articulated and your coverage well balanced of many aspects of driving.😊
What city is this
Hoboken
Currently on FSD 12.3.4 -- my main complaints: worse behavior than Autopilot on the turns in the beginning and end of the Lincoln Tunnel tubes. Autopilot was going at normal speed, FSD would hit the brakes and slow down to crawl, until I really lean on the accelerator.
Turn-by-turn navigation -- I frequently have to disengage because I disagree with the navigation choices, or they are outright wrong (pulling into the Tesla Supercharger NJ Turnpike going south in Cranberry - it picked the truck entry (vs the car entry) from where there was no access to the where the Supercharger stalls were. In general, I hate Route 1 and thus stay on the turnpike for one extra exit when going to/from Princeton. Always have to disengage to do it. Navigation should figure out what my repeated preferences are, and keep them on frequent routes, unless there has been an accident or massive construction blocking traffic.
But overall all, I am happy with FSD, the left turns I've taken went fine. Biggest improvement over (enhanced) Autopilot -- FSD will go more than five MPH above the speed limit on two way roads to keep up with traffic. This is an area I always had disengage Autopilot, now I just leave FSD engaged. (Our Tesla was bought with FSD in 2020, but until "Supervised" took over Beta I was just using the default Enhanced Autopilot.)
Are you preemptively stopping the nag?
If everyone had an FSD car, world would be a safer place. Thanks
I’d be interested in comments relative to use as a robotaxi. Uncomfortable is one thing but note anything that would make an autonomous ride fail. Seems it could complete if was a taxi. How confident are you it could serve as a taxi now??
Well it needs to be able to reverse and right now it can't. So if it needed to make a K-turn out of a dead end it would just be stuck, so a ways away but not insurmountable
Have they removed the continuous nagging?
Don't have time to watch the entire thing. Did you have to intervene? At what time points?
Twice. At the end it was turning on a red arrow as as he exited the highway it mysteriously straddled into another lane with a car 3m behind - not a potentia laccident but possibly a honk and some breaking.
@@michaelnurse9089 both interventions happened at the end?
Did they fix the hugging the curb on the right side issue?
So far yes...more testing is needed to confirm
i'm surprised that the car will go 34 in a 25. it's good until you get a ticket. will tesla be paying those tickets when it goes level 4 or will they tone down the speed?
You can turn right on a red right arrow, unless there is a sign that specifically says no right on red. It’s confusing, I know, but FSD wasn’t wrong there.
That is incorrect my friend. Red arrow means no turning until the light turns. It is illegal and FSD was wrong sadly. driversed.com/driving-information/signs-signals-and-markings/traffic-signals/
@@BlackTesla Not sure which state that drivers ed website is from but the law differs from state to state. You were driving in New Jersey where it is legal to make such a right turn on a red arrow.
I pasted a link to a shmoop article but youtube removed my post. Just google “can you turn right on a red arrow in new jersey”.
You can turn on red arrow if there is an alternate path. But if the only direction is right and there is a red arrow you can't, add to that there is a clear no turn on red sign there as well. Poor showing foe FSD but correct you can turn on red arrow ok other occaisions.
21:38 overtaking on the right is forbidden in our country 😂
hope they solve all these critical disengagement in 12.4
why only 65 on the highway
55mph limit
Also dont forget what you see here is 3/6 months behind what the fsd team are seeing right now🎯💯
Of course
Take that salty Dan! Your software could never.
Elon was talking about 12.4 to 12.5 12.3.5 is still 12.3.
Thanks. 12.3.4 has been so-so for me. Looking forward to newer versions.
Same. It's amazing on the highway, but in my area, Boston subs, every turn is blind, roads aren't marked very well and it's rare that I can do an interventionless drive. early in the morning when no cars are on the road it's fine... highway it's fine. Around town here it's a disaster and I intervene often and every time I send them the reports. It will get better eventually, but it will have to break a lot of rules to drive right in this area.
@@johnfurr6060 It probably needs more Boston data. I suspect the most data is from SF and NY.
road condition over good
At this point FSD is so good the FSD users have to nitpick even the turn signals not being turned on.
Because that can cost anyone a ticket from a stickler of a police officer 🚓🚨
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i thought Elon meant 12.4 and 12.5 were going to be the equivalent to FSD 13..... not 12.3.5
He did
I do not like how close it hugs boundaries. On a residential street with no oncoming traffic, why so close to parked cars? I feel like I've wasted the free trial.
Because it is not a human😂🤷♂️🙄🚶♂️🚶♂️
I suspect that since it updates it path many times per second no chance of FSD hitting a parked car is zero while a human pushing it that close is taking chances.
FSD is the reason I cant by any other car but a Tesla
That is not the correct version he was talking about. It is 12. 1:26 4 and 12.5.
Correction 12.4 and 12.5