I have to say the amount of knowledge you have on the three kingdoms seems absolutely fascinating to me. Not just Qian Zhao, but also it’s crazy watching you single out some totally random dude from the recruitment pool like “oh yeah this guy” and then just tell a life story.
i mean, knowledge and learning wasn't as easy as it was back then as it is today, could take weeks, months or even years to find a claim that people might just outright dismiss or even report you to the authorities if it was scandelous enough, plus there's the monetary expenses of such an endevour, so my best guess is Liu Bei was just sorta working with what he had
I highly doubt your lineage will be an advantage in those days. In fact, the more prestige you command, the more liability you have. Eg, Liu Chong, Liu Yu and of course Emperor Xian...all had bad endings.
@@Binary84 Worse if you have none though. Just look at all the genocides, massacre and what not happening to the people under all the despots and warlords. If you had a good name you will at least have a little bit(a lot) of comfort before the axeman cometh.
I'd never even heard of Qian Zhao before. They really did him dirty, it seems. Also, I can't wait for this series to cover Liu Bei fighting demons in Guigugou and a burning Luoyang. I know it's historical now :)
If 3K leaders were in High School Liu Bei - Cool kid from poor family, gets along with everybody Cao Cao - Smart Jock from rich family, gets along with with everybody (and thinks of ways to use them) Sun Quan - mama's boy, brother complex Yuan Shao - rich but beloved snob who always feels like he needs to show he's superior Yuan Shu - rich snob who assumes he's superior
Lu Bu would be the mean nasty jock who likes to smack anyone who looks at him the wrong way. Dong Zhuo? He would be the bully who likes to steal anything from everyone. Zhang Jiao’s the emo kid. Diaochan’s the hot chick in class. Sun Ce is the cool jock who excels in all kinds of sports. Zhuge Liang and all the Three Kingdoms strategists would be the nerds. I could see Fa Zheng create stink bombs and other deadly tech, fitting his status as the vengeful strategist and both Zhou Yu and Sima Yi are geniuses who refuse to take a backseat to Zhuge Liang.
I love how multiple future Yuan Shao and Cao Cao officers had worked with Liu Bei for a while. Goes to show that for everyone who stuck with Liu Bei through everything there was another who left to serve someone else.... mostly Cao Cao.
still love how for somewhat obscure characters you use rotk 13/14 puk player images. just shows how dang good that game is in terms of characters. great video as always
It may not be the education that his uncle was hoping for, but considering how important it ends up being to his success in the long run, it seems the charisma he gained was just as valuable.
I mean that is the whole point, the Liu clan after ruling for four hundred years had hundreds of thousands of people who were part of the imperial clan but they are all distant relatives with no claim to the throne
It took so long to get back to these. Finally glad to have time to do so. I've been looking forward to checking out this series in particular. A rather good breakdown on Liu Bei's lineage and early precociousness.
If anything, Liu Bei's closest uncles seems to be the local commandery's leading clan chiefs, careful to not have their wards be irresponsibly responsible for an imperial-sanctioned suspect clan exterminations. Apparently, There would be some notable names within Liu Bei's earliest followers with whom he would have fond relations with, and some closest in their journeys into their varied ends. Could the term Neck-Cutting Oathsworns also be some wicked synonyms for Cutthroat Brothers-in-Arms?
@@SeriousTrivia They really met?! I thought Liu Bei never met any of the Imperial Liu members because of Dong Zhuo and Cao Cao taking the imperial family into their custody. Please make a video about it
Hmm interesting with that many children probably everyone was a descendant of Liu Sheng. More importantly though seeing how humble his origins were makes it even more impressive that he eventually became an emperor.
Thank you for all the great content. I have been watching your channel for quite sometime now. Have you considered making videos on topics from other periods of chinese history? I'd like to see a series on The Era of Warring States or the Spring and Autumn period.
Hey Serious Trivia, 1. I am very curious did Liu Bei eventually got to ride a Imperial carriage when he served Cao Cao and Emperor Xian in 199 AD or when he became Emperor of Shu historically? And was he right on his prediction when he was a child? 2. Did Liu Bei would eventually reunite with his first sworn brother Qian Zhao when he served for Yuan Shao in 200 AD? 3. Did Qian Zhao ever met Guan Yu and Zhang Fei historically?
1. He definitely rode one once he became emperor of Shu Han. 2. No, the two of them never saw each other again. 3. I don’t believe so because that relationship was formed before Liu Bei went to study under Lu Zhi but there are no records about it so no idea
I am doing a Dynasty Warriors fanfiction and I think this series might help me understand Liu Bei a bit more and probably give him some more badasses people on his side I already had Jian Yong join his group after the yellow turbid rebellion( because Cao Cao giving Liu Bei advice to get a strategist)And I already established that Liu Bei and his sworn Brothers in the Romance and most of his bad believe his claim but others are skeptical. I hope to watch the rest of the episodes today.
You mention a let's talk lore about Qian Zhao. Would you consider making single episode spotlight videos? Would love to learn about guys such as Yu Fan, Tian Kai and Wang Ping to name a few.
Imagine the career Qian Zhao would have had if he had joined up with Liu Bei early on. Maybe he would have been able to do a lot more during the 190s in terms of networking wise?
Probably worse off for him. I would argue that Liu Bei’s struggle held back his many talented generals. Guan Yu for example would probably had an even better career if he just started out with Cao Cao
I mean exactly the point, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei didn’t get many chances to shine under Liu Bei whereas if they had started under Cao Cao, they would have already been in many major campaigns
We know Guan Yu and Zhang Fei were talented because of the achievements they do have, and because Records is pretty blatant in talking up both their talents and flaws,, regardless of what we know and don’t know about their military career
So how would Liu Yuanqi arrange this sort of school trip with Lu Zhi? Did he just know Lu Zhi and asked him to teach his kid some stuff? I wonder how useful this education really would have been, I mean, how much can these teenage kids really learn in just one year- even if they're paying attention? I suppose it was probably more about putting Lu Zhi down on their resume and as a reference, and if they learn to recite a few of the classics along the way, all the better.
Lu Zhi was from the Zhuo commandery and would openly take student from his hometown, so I don't think Liu Yuanqi had to arrange much but he did have to pay for the trip to Jiujiang for both of them and their living expenses during the year
Clearly, education in a class of illegitimate/voided gentry scions under respected mentors would land them into between being well recognized by present individual talent judges (like Xu Shao on Cao Cao), or can enhance their standings in communities into an illustrious service (local volunteer militias) that can get the attentions of imperial court memorials and edicts, and in the minds of successful classmates with higher administrative or military ranks (from Grand Administrators to Royal State Chancellors and Inspectors to Governors).
To further note, Lu Zhi himself was the student of the most famed scholar of the era, Zheng Xuan (who was Sun Qian's teacher as well, in fact Sun Qian was recommended to Liu Bei from Zheng Xuan.) So he likely had a pretty good curriculum to work from.
not that difficult. I had a simplified Chinese education growing up and I can read traditional with no difficulty (I do have a lot of experience with it). The more difficult thing is not that it is in traditional text (as you can get simplified versions of it) but rather the syntax of ancient Chinese writing is quite different from modern Chinese. Historical text are also very terse as every word is used precisely and often time condensed. This does take a lot of practice and I just happen to have read quite a lot of ancient Chinese writing. I guess the best analogy I can give you is like reading an English book written today and reading Shakespeare.
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I have to say the amount of knowledge you have on the three kingdoms seems absolutely fascinating to me. Not just Qian Zhao, but also it’s crazy watching you single out some totally random dude from the recruitment pool like “oh yeah this guy” and then just tell a life story.
Liu Bei is often criticized as a traitor but honestly pretty much every warlord that time was guilty of betraying someone.
That's a fair point, if he's gonna fake it, why not fake an ancestor with a more illustrious legacy?
i mean, knowledge and learning wasn't as easy as it was back then as it is today, could take weeks, months or even years to find a claim that people might just outright dismiss or even report you to the authorities if it was scandelous enough, plus there's the monetary expenses of such an endevour, so my best guess is Liu Bei was just sorta working with what he had
I highly doubt your lineage will be an advantage in those days. In fact, the more prestige you command, the more liability you have. Eg, Liu Chong, Liu Yu and of course Emperor Xian...all had bad endings.
@@Binary84 Worse if you have none though. Just look at all the genocides, massacre and what not happening to the people under all the despots and warlords. If you had a good name you will at least have a little bit(a lot) of comfort before the axeman cometh.
I'd never even heard of Qian Zhao before. They really did him dirty, it seems.
Also, I can't wait for this series to cover Liu Bei fighting demons in Guigugou and a burning Luoyang. I know it's historical now :)
If 3K leaders were in High School
Liu Bei - Cool kid from poor family, gets along with everybody
Cao Cao - Smart Jock from rich family, gets along with with everybody (and thinks of ways to use them)
Sun Quan - mama's boy, brother complex
Yuan Shao - rich but beloved snob who always feels like he needs to show he's superior
Yuan Shu - rich snob who assumes he's superior
😂 I like it i once saw a art on tumblr where they were teachers
Damn, I would love to watch an anime based on this.
MA TENG AND HAN SUI - KIDS FROM THE OUTSKIRTS WHO WORKS ON CARS AND NO ONE WANTS TO FIGHT.
Lu Bu would be the mean nasty jock who likes to smack anyone who looks at him the wrong way.
Dong Zhuo? He would be the bully who likes to steal anything from everyone.
Zhang Jiao’s the emo kid.
Diaochan’s the hot chick in class.
Sun Ce is the cool jock who excels in all kinds of sports.
Zhuge Liang and all the Three Kingdoms strategists would be the nerds. I could see Fa Zheng create stink bombs and other deadly tech, fitting his status as the vengeful strategist and both Zhou Yu and Sima Yi are geniuses who refuse to take a backseat to Zhuge Liang.
Sounds like Qian Zhao had one heck of a career.
I love how multiple future Yuan Shao and Cao Cao officers had worked with Liu Bei for a while.
Goes to show that for everyone who stuck with Liu Bei through everything there was another who left to serve someone else.... mostly Cao Cao.
still love how for somewhat obscure characters you use rotk 13/14 puk player images. just shows how dang good that game is in terms of characters. great video as always
Qian Zhao really got the short end of the stick in the romance of the three kingdoms
It may not be the education that his uncle was hoping for, but considering how important it ends up being to his success in the long run, it seems the charisma he gained was just as valuable.
If Liu Bei's ancestor had that many children, we could say that half the province probably had a claim to the imperial throne as well.
I mean that is the whole point, the Liu clan after ruling for four hundred years had hundreds of thousands of people who were part of the imperial clan but they are all distant relatives with no claim to the throne
@@SeriousTrivia Thank you for the series
It took so long to get back to these. Finally glad to have time to do so. I've been looking forward to checking out this series in particular. A rather good breakdown on Liu Bei's lineage and early precociousness.
If anything, Liu Bei's closest uncles seems to be the local commandery's leading clan chiefs, careful to not have their wards be irresponsibly responsible for an imperial-sanctioned suspect clan exterminations.
Apparently, There would be some notable names within Liu Bei's earliest followers with whom he would have fond relations with, and some closest in their journeys into their varied ends. Could the term Neck-Cutting Oathsworns also be some wicked synonyms for Cutthroat Brothers-in-Arms?
Digging these in-depth discussions
So Liu Bei's lineage was already one of commoner status.
Yep! Emperor Liu Xie would give Liu Bei a title after meeting him
@@SeriousTrivia They really met?! I thought Liu Bei never met any of the Imperial Liu members because of Dong Zhuo and Cao Cao taking the imperial family into their custody. Please make a video about it
Liu Bei will work under Cao Cao for quite a while which will get covered in this series so he attended court and got to meet the emperor
Hmm interesting with that many children probably everyone was a descendant of Liu Sheng.
More importantly though seeing how humble his origins were makes it even more impressive that he eventually became an emperor.
Lets go!! Another great video
Thank you for all the great content. I have been watching your channel for quite sometime now.
Have you considered making videos on topics from other periods of chinese history? I'd like to see a series on The Era of Warring States or the Spring and Autumn period.
I plan to go back to spring autumn and go forward once I am done with three kingdoms
@@SeriousTrivia is there plenty of sources for this era?
I mean there are plenty of stories to tell
Hey Serious Trivia,
1. I am very curious did Liu Bei eventually got to ride a Imperial carriage when he served Cao Cao and Emperor Xian in 199 AD or when he became Emperor of Shu historically? And was he right on his prediction when he was a child?
2. Did Liu Bei would eventually reunite with his first sworn brother Qian Zhao when he served for Yuan Shao in 200 AD?
3. Did Qian Zhao ever met Guan Yu and Zhang Fei historically?
1. He definitely rode one once he became emperor of Shu Han.
2. No, the two of them never saw each other again.
3. I don’t believe so because that relationship was formed before Liu Bei went to study under Lu Zhi but there are no records about it so no idea
I see his wish came true after all.
I am doing a Dynasty Warriors fanfiction and I think this series might help me understand Liu Bei a bit more and probably give him some more badasses people on his side I already had Jian Yong join his group after the yellow turbid rebellion( because Cao Cao giving Liu Bei advice to get a strategist)And I already established that Liu Bei and his sworn Brothers in the Romance and most of his bad believe his claim but others are skeptical. I hope to watch the rest of the episodes today.
can't wait for that second episode.
You mention a let's talk lore about Qian Zhao. Would you consider making single episode spotlight videos? Would love to learn about guys such as Yu Fan, Tian Kai and Wang Ping to name a few.
Qian Zhao and Yu Fan probably have enough for a few episodes while Tian Kai and Wang Ping probably don’t have enough for one especially Tian Kai
@Serious Trivia whops, I meant Tian Yu hehe. Just a couple of examples.
Serious Trivia! Thanks for the video! What do u think about European history like the romans?
Equally fascinating
Imagine the career Qian Zhao would have had if he had joined up with Liu Bei early on. Maybe he would have been able to do a lot more during the 190s in terms of networking wise?
Probably worse off for him. I would argue that Liu Bei’s struggle held back his many talented generals. Guan Yu for example would probably had an even better career if he just started out with Cao Cao
@@SeriousTrivia Interesting, but which talented generals? What are the military achievements of Liu Bei's generals before he joined Liu Biao in Jing?
I mean exactly the point, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei didn’t get many chances to shine under Liu Bei whereas if they had started under Cao Cao, they would have already been in many major campaigns
We know Guan Yu and Zhang Fei were talented because of the achievements they do have, and because Records is pretty blatant in talking up both their talents and flaws,, regardless of what we know and don’t know about their military career
@@SeriousTrivia Why they didn't have chances to shine under Liu Bei? Didn't Liu Bei participate in many conflicts and battles between the YTR and 201?
Sounds like even in his youth Liu Bei was a master at getting support...and squandering it with his own actions.
So how would Liu Yuanqi arrange this sort of school trip with Lu Zhi? Did he just know Lu Zhi and asked him to teach his kid some stuff?
I wonder how useful this education really would have been, I mean, how much can these teenage kids really learn in just one year- even if they're paying attention? I suppose it was probably more about putting Lu Zhi down on their resume and as a reference, and if they learn to recite a few of the classics along the way, all the better.
Lu Zhi was from the Zhuo commandery and would openly take student from his hometown, so I don't think Liu Yuanqi had to arrange much but he did have to pay for the trip to Jiujiang for both of them and their living expenses during the year
Clearly, education in a class of illegitimate/voided gentry scions under respected mentors would land them into between being well recognized by present individual talent judges (like Xu Shao on Cao Cao), or can enhance their standings in communities into an illustrious service (local volunteer militias) that can get the attentions of imperial court memorials and edicts, and in the minds of successful classmates with higher administrative or military ranks (from Grand Administrators to Royal State Chancellors and Inspectors to Governors).
To further note, Lu Zhi himself was the student of the most famed scholar of the era, Zheng Xuan (who was Sun Qian's teacher as well, in fact Sun Qian was recommended to Liu Bei from Zheng Xuan.) So he likely had a pretty good curriculum to work from.
Would the tuition Liu Yuanqi invested into Liu Bei later pay off for him? Or at least even for Liu Deran?
No records of that. I think if anything they probably want to hide that since they lived in Wei
I genuinely want to know how you came to be so educated on this time period? Did you go to school for it and if you did, where?
Just a personal hobby from reading romance of the three kingdoms and playing dynasty warriors at a young age
@@SeriousTrivia literally my life but you go deeper😅
Liu Zhijin and Liu Yuanqi their double characters name meant his uncles were of lower status?
i think its their style name not birth name.
It means those were their style names and that their names were not recorded in history
How difficult it is for a modern Chinese to understand traditional Chinese/the text in the SGZ?
not that difficult. I had a simplified Chinese education growing up and I can read traditional with no difficulty (I do have a lot of experience with it). The more difficult thing is not that it is in traditional text (as you can get simplified versions of it) but rather the syntax of ancient Chinese writing is quite different from modern Chinese. Historical text are also very terse as every word is used precisely and often time condensed. This does take a lot of practice and I just happen to have read quite a lot of ancient Chinese writing. I guess the best analogy I can give you is like reading an English book written today and reading Shakespeare.
@@SeriousTrivia Thanks for the answer and the useful Shakespeare/modern english comparaison.
I never heard the name of Qian Zhao before
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Why do you speak such proper chinese LMAO
Because I am Chinese lol
@@SeriousTrivia I think he didn't know that because you're English accent is so good it sounds like a native speaker