Why Mines are Bigger Threat than Anti-Ship Missiles
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Missiles and torpedoes can definitely do some serious damage to warships. But majority of the US Navy warships losses in in the past 75 years were due to a silent killer. Here is a hint: It's not "yours" and it's #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT #longs
Music:
Fire Drill - Cushy
Invasion 2 - Fredrik Ekstrom
Something Tells Me Yes - Blue Topaz
I'm Gonna Stay - Addie Horner
Stop Trying to Pretend - Lionel Quick
Closer to the Light - Rockin' For Decades
Distance - Jay Varton
Phoenix Rising - Edgar Hopp
First Shooter - Bonnie Grace
Armed And Ready 2 - Fredrik Ekstrom
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"If this video does really well, maybe I could buy one"
It was not what I thought
Smart ass lol
I wonder what he will need it for
He meant coal mine ;)
He's gonna cause ww3
You could say it's not what you think
I actually never thought mines would be the Achilles Heel of the navy, so yeah it really was “Not what you think” from my view
It's might be the Achilles heel of all large navies since the beginning of mines it had a high casualty on naval ships and was proposed to be banned due to it being a dishonorable way of fighting.
@@carlrodalegrado4104 Meanwhile USA spams predators and bombers to kill a single pirate ship.
@@mafia_boss_neto just to be sure.....
@@carlrodalegrado4104 Ok you got a point.
@@mafia_boss_neto whenever I watch a pirate encounter video they just use that one big 30mm gun…
This was genuinely enlightening. I had no idea mines were such a destabilising naval armament. I kind of imagined that anything short of a canal or a single beachhead would be prohibitively expensive to mine. Turns out, the thing that's expensive is getting RID of the mines.
Yeah, they're overpowered defensive weapons
Landmines have done the same thing for land warfare, which is one of the reasons they're outlawed. Mines - whether sea or land - are cheap to produce in mass quantities, and you can never be sure all of them are cleared up after a conflict. This is the insidiousness of indiscriminate dumb weapons. (By dumb I mean as the antithesis of smart weapons - no one has to pull any kind of 'trigger' on them to set them off.)
@@Maria_Erias yeah true, especially the same mines are the bane of the Balkans
@@skyhappy especially the plastic ones, dude. You really need to have good detection equipment to clear out those snarky suckers
WW1, the Allies attempt to knock Turkey out of the war with the Gallipoli campaign didn't go so well when British and French battleships tried to blast the forts protecting the Dardanelles Straight. Mines sank 4 battleships, the might of big guns humbled by simple mines.
‘The USN’s weakness is mine counter measures’
The Chinese, Iranian and Russian navy personnel watching: *interesting*
Problem with mine fields is a double edge sword. In case of china it will keep their own ships from passing the same routes especially choke points.
I am sure those governments have better intelligence sources than a You Tube channel.
It's why the us relies on the royal navy as it has the best mine hunting fleet
What if this video is made by Chinese, Iranians, or Russians?! :) Not What You Think!
Darth gonk, what are you doing here?
this mans had like 100k subs a month ago, now we almost hitting a million
My guess is the Shorts have been a powerful form of getting the channel out there
lets go were almost there
They know very well the YT algorithm
correct
@@NotWhatYouThink cant wait for 1 mil special
Gem of a UA-cam channel. Such quality and passion
Thanks Alex! Your words mean a lot to us 😊
@@NotWhatYouThink Hey! I love your videos but can I ask you if you have air force / army videos? I couldn't find any and could you think about these topics or not? Anyway, I love your maritime videos and I have been watching your videos since 47k, mostly shorts!! :D
That mine position section was hilarious
Any position where it can explode IS a good position.
Classic.
Kinky mines are the best mines
Plus the music to "set the mood"
@@Osama-Bon-Jovi-01 mines that like it all tied up and stuff ; )
lol was looking for this part of the comment section xD
The US Navy has consistently asked European navies for minehunters to help in operations just cuz they don't have enough/are not well equiped enough, funilly enough belgium and the netherlands has an easier time getting funding for minehunters because the governments are more "peacefully" minded. Also the belgium minehunters and especially the crew are some of the best in the world cuz they hunt mines at our shores that are left from the world wars and the water is very hard to see through so they have loads of experience.
@@mikegrey3835 The US army and marines have like a thousand different ranks of Sargent. Can you beat that?
@@iamyourmom2 it's not a competition, is it
@@iamyourmom2 No one cares #respectfully
I wouldn't say that the reason was because their governments are more "peaceably minded" but probably more because of necessity since the waters around Belgium and the Netherlands were some of the most heavily mined waterways by both sides in the war.
This video hits on a very subtle point and that is that most governments/militaries allocate money to projects out of necessity the US even with the relatively few mine incidents never found it overly necessary to invest in massive anti-mining capability. As for Desert Storm while Iraq's mines were a concern the US operated 4 CVBG's and 2 Naval Bombardment groups in the Persian Gulf with virtual impunity. To say that the US was overwhelmed by Iraqi mine operations in the Persian Gulf is a bit exaggerated. The reality is the most that Iraqi mining operations did was deny direct amphibious landings directly into Kuwait the end result was still the same, the Marines were landed, and Kuwait was still taken from Iraqi control within days. In all only 2 ships out of the 150+ US naval ships operating in the Persian Gulf were taken out of action (neither were lost), both were eventually repaired and returned to service.
You're welcome mate. I'm the chief engineer of the Belgian Mine hunter M923 Narcis and I wouldn't mind going to the states more often.
its a better day when nwyt uploads a video instead of a short
We are hoping to make Fridays even better, but uploading a long video weekly 😉
I thought this was a short until it kept going lol
@@_Bennett Same lol
My grandfather was a proud seaman on a Royal Canadian Navy mine sweeper. He had some awesome stories.
I was a proud semen once
@@sterlz6565 lmaoo
@@sterlz6565 lol
@@mikedrop4421 Sorry xD
@@sterlz6565 You really should be! You almost definitely offended my poor dead grandfather. Everyone knows how sensitive sailors are. They have delicate ears and can't handle cursing, edgy humor and/or dirty jokes. That's just an undisputed fact that is commonly known at the global level.
Mines always has been Achilles heel for modern navy force.
For example, in WW2 total number lose of u-boat to mine is equivalent to all other costs combined.
In WW1 too.
Germany lost in WW2 only 35 u-boats to mines
@@wolf310ii Makes sense since they where laying most of them. I love the stories of German U boats hunting freighters really interesting.
@@wolf310ii that's what I thought. Germany had more submarines than everybody else combined.
So that guy must just talking about the US
“Hey timmy what’s that weird looking ball with spikes?”
“Idk but it looks good.”
Top 10 moments before disaster.
no clue
Lol
One of the nastiest mines were laid by the japanese. Go slow over it, nothing. Go fast over it, the pressure spike of the boat triggers the diaphragm and releases/ detonates the mine. If you have gun's bracketing the harbor, no enemy will be moving slowly. Beautifully discriptive and informative video.
To try to make sure they hit active warships rather than minesweepers which are likely moving slowly anyway?
*Influence mines…?*
As if _influencers_ weren't already bad enough.
3:08 Perfect, if unsubtle, choice of music!
You brought back some good memories when I saw my old French Mine Hunter at 6:37 on your video, the Circe M715, now a Turkish Mine Hunter Edremit M261. I found a bunch of WWII mines and bombs during my time with it, it was fun, as the boat was able to run circles on the water due to its sides jet engines, being able to use a sonar that deployed when the boat's hull opens up and lower the sonar down. For 1981, it was like being in a James Bond's movie :) Thank you fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classe_Circ%C3%A9_(chasseur_de_mines)
yooooo my dad served on that ship too
@@bluemystic5980 What a small world. You can tell your dad, if he remembers, that the best part of being on that boat, was during bad weather, due to the way the sonar works, we had to get back to port. So we never hanged out at sea during bad weather, as bad weather is the worst time of a sailor's life.
@@practicalshooter6517 yea he remembers that,especially since he used to always say that the ship was too futuristic for its time
@@bluemystic5980 Yes, I think so too. During mine hunting, I had the privilege to look for all suspicious objects at the bottom of the ocean. The sonar, but also the screens we were looking at and the controls were far in advance for its time.
Sea Mines are kinda cool, you can drop a sea mine outside an enemy port from an aircraft, it'll sit on the bottom and wait for a specific sonar signature and then detonate under the ship breaking it's back
Or youcould just bomb the enemy port
@@abraham2172 doing this is dangerous because you might lost the bomber in the process
@@danielaryo5120 Yes, thats true. Russia for example has all kinds of air defenses in Kaliningrad. You would need to deploy the mines by divers, because aircrafts are endangered.
@@abraham2172 if you wanna make sure the safety part,there is an idea i thought of, which is putting a missile with mines on it so you can deploy it safely on range, as long as hostile fighters jet are not present in the area
@@danielaryo5120 it would be too expensive to put mine in missile. At that point, just use missile as missile.
During Desert Shield 1990 while aboard the USS Tripoli doing mine sweeping operations, we found one the hard way. KABOOM. It blew a hole 25 feet in diameter in the starboard bow. We managed to limp back to the Philippines for repairs. But it was really scary as a crack formed and grew down and across the hull as we steamed slowly. Fortunately the hit did not kill any aboard, but did cause some minor injuries due to the rapid upward movement bouncing some of the crew into objects.
This is arguably the most important ship in the Navy that is correct and is arguably the most important ship on the entire f****** planet because if we keep crashing into mines I mean Jesus Christ let's get them f****** cleared f*** I mean like. Imagine how many oil tankers we could have prevented from blowing up. Lol auto sensor I need to turn that off it's kind of funny. F****
F***** right on!
This will get buried in the comments and that’s fine. My grandpa was an officer in the US Navy during the Korean War on a minesweeper. I always thought it was a boring, unimportant assignment until watching this. He passed 4 years ago tomorrow. Thank you for giving me a new perspective on his life and contribution!
You'll be glad to know this was shown as the top comment for me when I watched the video. o7 (salute emoji) for your grandfather. MCM is a critical part of the Navy, for sure, and this video definitely highlights its importance.
@@wbhokie13 thank you. I am grateful for your reply as a second witness. Strange how perspectives change with time and knowledge. I hope today is good to you.
"If this video does really well, maybe i could buy one" 😂🤣 comedy gold
You thinks he’s joking? He’ll fucking do it
Hey Ferb, I know what we’re gonna do today
@@Homedespacito i believe it ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
Another reason to love dolphin 🐬
The Faröer strongly disagree
dolphins are gonna detonate naval mines?
So basically mines are bisexual, I get it now
Imagine if they have a free floating mine in the minesweeper game
The game will end within 5 second's
@@aashishmanuelnoronhaforran8947 I thought it already did end that quick
*Same story for Indian navy. After the retirement Karwar class minesweeper, the navy havent got a single minesweeper left.*
They are trying the aquisition game for 2 decade almost, but various hurdles come up!
Are you sure?
@@Streetpfosten yeah he is right. Recently navy released a RFI to lease atleast 3-5 Minesweepers but the problem is other countries are also not havinf them in enough numbers. Talks were going good with Russia in 2016 to get the ToT to locally build the ship's but in somewhere the work got cancelled. Now again talks are going with Russia to lease some Minesweepers directly. But Russia also does not have in adequate numbers. South Korea themselves are making it but they also don't have in good numbers to lease us some. And meanwhile US Navy as we all know are themselves struggling.
@@Streetpfosten what else did you expect from a poor military which still operates Mig 21 .
*has third largest military budget
"Any ship can be a mine sweeper ... once." During Desert Shield / Desert Storm we found that Iraq had laid hundreds of mines of various types. Most numerous were of the "tethered" type, set to float at a depth where fairly large ships could hit them. USS Tripoli, an LPH was supporting a squadron of heavy mine sweeping helicopters when she hit a tethered mine which punched a 20 x 40 foot hole in her hull. Even with this damage she was able to stay on station for a time.
USS Princeton, an Aegis cruiser detonated an "influence" mine below and to one side of her. The detonation of this mine triggered a second near the ship's stern. The damage caused by both detonations mission killed the ship, dismounting heavy equipment in her engine rooms and auxiliary machinery spaces.
Both ships required extensive repairs. A number of the tethered mines broke free of their tethers and floated free on the surface where they could be spotted and dealt with, often by swimmers attaching small explosive charges to ensure the mines were detonated safely though a good number were sunk or detonated by either rifle or machinegun fire from nearby ships. My ship, a very large assault ship utilized both swimmers or machinegun / rifle fire.
very interesting. My dad was on a minesweeper during the Korean conflict. He showed me tools that were brass they used to avoid magnetic mines.
3:06 if i could like this video twice i would
damn, I've been watching this channel since they're still 100k subs, and now they almost at 1 million subs, woah.
Yes, thanks to you and people like you who have been supporting our channel by watching our videos 😊
@@NotWhatYouThink keep it up, mate!
you also have to keep in mind the US Navy is never alone in war they are along side their allies. some of which have more of a defensive approach that counter the “ achilles heal “ of the us navy
True... So M862 is a Dutch mine hunter. The Dutch are good at mine hunting and providing brown-water subs. In an Alliance, you don't need to be great at all roles. Not every team member is the quaterback.
A full length NWYT video including a chart? Sign me up.
Cool seeing a video on what I do for a living. BUT LCS ships are useless (Those are the "results"). Not sure why he talked about them being the replacements when the replacement is already being looked for since they can't support the systems.
The reason LCS ships were looked at for minewarefare is because they failed there original purpose. Now they use them for pirates and moving people since they're fast. That's why a lot of them have been cancelled for production.
@@BirdyIsWatchIn
Did you just reply to your own comments?
@@sandvich4days871 its fine. his point is clear, LCS was a mistake.
@@CosmicValkyrie
Ah got it?
All good
This is a speciality of the Royal Navy... they have 11 minehunters and are developing autonomous minehunting systems.
You know when the good music comes on the video gets good. Oh and the good music is all the music
The navy tries so desperately to find a use for their littoral combat ships.. they should've just built more burkes. Interested to see the constellation class in the future
LCS was always supposed to be a MCM ship.
The navy should sell those LCS. They are useless for defense but there are some wealthy civilians who would love to get their hands on em
The picture you used as a thumbnail was the ship I served on in the Navy, the USNS Kilauea. That picture was from when it was sunk by a torpedo from an Australian sub during an exercise several years ago, after it had been decommissioned.
They've been writing about this in "Proceedings" for decades. Also, some of the "newer" mines have no effective countermeasures. The days of the spiked ball on a chain are long gone. The littorals and choke points have always been a concern, the US Navy is slowly, very slowly, getting out of the total "deepwater" mindset.
USA takes hit from blunt: "What if we made a mine that shoots torpedoes?"
That's why the Benelux has the biggest and most effective minesweeper/minehunter fleet in Europe!
i think you should do a video on how not what you think isnt what you think not what you think is. also cool video lol
love the videos you make, and so many facts :O
I had to read it twice, but now I follow!
@@NotWhatYouThink makes sense, no way i could have made that simpler
also how on earth do you have a video with 23 million views and you have less than a million subscribers'
people better subscribe because this doesnt make sense
its not scientiffically possible
because this is such a good youtube channel
for real pick read more to see the reason
I really appreciate these longer, more detailed videos. As with the marine training video you did a little while back, I think you've done a great job covering some less examined, but no less significant, subject matter.
I love the simplicity of rigging up old cargo ships with gps guidance and just driving in behind them, given how many old junker ships are waiting to be scrapped it might even be cheaper than a billion dollar navy robot warfare program.
Except for that if the ship does not 'find' any mines, it would be a costly affair, as the ship would travel the whole route with no valuable cargo in it. But if, on the other hand, it does find a mine at the beginning of the trip, it pollutes the local environment with all the fuel in it, and.....how many more of these dummy ships would be traveling along to replace the first?
Nah.....the idea might be an option if nothing else viable is available, but I'd rather bet on somewhat less crude, more sophistic approaches.
I'm so happy for not going EOD when I attempted to join the Navy.
Hurt Locker Underwater would be my life..
I absolutely love your content. I realized that somehow I haven't subscribed to your channel, despite having had watched all of your videos. I made sure to change that
I’ve been through the strait of Hormuz a few times, it’s kind of nerve wracking knowing there are islands of a hostile country with anti-ship missile batteries everywhere. I didn’t even think about the possibility of mines. One time through a group of speedboats crossed less than 100m in front of us going from Iran to the UAE. I was told they were smugglers using our ships size to mask them from radar.
Similar problem exists in the Indian navy, they have been trying to buy new minesweepers for the past 16 years, as in case of US navy, it’s easier to buy aircraft carriers or submarines than a mine sweeper 😂
Mine hunting dolphins, yeah.
Not what you think.
**Some mines like to be bound by chains**
Oooohhhh kinky I see.
"Mine positions: cue the music"
Scriptwriting that out scripts the entire sequel trilogy lol
I remember a story my father told me about the trip form Hawaii to the US main land when he was reassigned form Wheeler AFB to Minot AFB Montana and how the family was sent on a ship to San Francisco to take a train to the new station. On the third day of the ship's voyage the ship's captain requested any Army on the ship to come to the bridge for duty. Well Dad Was a gunner in the Air Force and went to see the Captain and find out what was up, and was told the Ship had enter a floating mine field form WW2 and the Captain wanted Army/Airforce men to take the ship rifles, and go to the bow and shot the mines, because Army spent time on the Ranges and the navy did not.
So Dad and a few other army was issued M1s and spent time shooting at mines, and hitting the horns of the mines setting them off at a safe distance for the ship. This was 1952 and i was on the ship, don't remember a thing , but mom confirmed the story later on.
Minot AFB North Dakota
You made no mention of ship-counting influence mines as a sweeping countermeasure. These count detections, maybe from 3 to 6 depending upon setting. These are anti-convoy mines. The principal is that the mine ignores the first few detections, ie 1 or 2 passages of a minesweeper then 1 or 2 escort vessels so as to explode under a high value target such as a tanker, supply ship or troop ship.
I think you must be a MCM fellow to know that. I'm a helicopter guy that knows that it is or was a big job for many of our helos. An unappreciated and low respected job for sure.
If this vidoe does well ... I will buy one 😂🤣
Love the information in your videos. This one is very interesting for me as I am a geophysicist and the technology that I use for peaceful missions was only developed through warfare. It's a sad endictment of the human race as well as a testament to our ingenuity.
My great grandfather served on the minesweeper USS YMS 472 during WWII. He survived the war but the ship went down in a typhoon off the coast of Okinawa around midnight on September 16th-17th, 1945. There were 5 survivors. He was not one of them.
Damn, emotional video, the very first clip of a ship being hit by a torpedo is the USS INGRAHAM FFG 61. She was sunk last month on the 15th in Hawaii, was my dads last ship in 2013, I was on her almost everyday when she was in Port, sad to watch her die :(. The third ship is the USS THACH (FFG 41 I believe).
My Dad was on a previous _USS Ingraham_ during the cold war, the Sumner Class DD-694.
Who hit it and why are we not being told our military was attacked?
@@TheAnnoyingBoss it wasn't attacked, it was used in SINKEX to test weapons.
@@nippleflexer3630 oh. Well, as long as the chinese spy balloon is watching right
Oh so the LCS has a purpose
Imagine laying a free-floating mine and getting a friendly-fire killcount 70 years later
So just like on land Afghanistan and Iraq.
And the problem is that you can't make the standard ship mine resistant by using a boat shaped hull, cause already…
Yep, boat-shaped resistance only works on land: there is a certain irony in that.
A mine's favourite position you say..? well its obviously on top of mine uts ..... ;)
"Any position they can explode in is a good position."
Hmm.
Meh, I think flawed foreign policy is a bigger weakness.
The Royal Navy Has ONE THIRD The Number of Ships In US Navy BUT
The Royal Navy Has The SAME Number Of Minesweepers As the US Navy
Somebody Is Smart, Sadly Is Ain't US
Mine countermeasures were supposed to be addressed with Littoral ships...the problem is that the process involved a fair amount of field testing. Changes because of those tests require time to incorporate and then RETEST... CONGRESS though decided to cut funding.... MAYBE if we had more than a mere 24% of Lawmakers with Military backgrounds... we'd have a better appreciation for how involved the process is.
Thanks for the episode. You were spot on on ALL accounts. I know, I served in Mine Countermeasures Squadron Two for over two years and it's indicative of the Navy's mercurial attitude toward MCM that MCMRON2 doesn't exist anymore, nor do most of the ships that were part of it.
Not what you think wants to buy a sea mine
FBI: i dont think so
so this is the ship that destroy the coral reef in the PHILIPPINES?!?! The Philippine Government should demand a High Payment on what this ship did to a million year old corral reefs. Like 10 litoral ships for FREE from the US. But US is not like that they are greedy only what a benifit for them selfs. Good for that ship it was been sliced I hope the coral reefs are now OK. shame on to that ships crew...
"some like to be on top', 'some like to be on the bottom' and 'some like to be bound in chains'
I realised now
Let's share around this video so that NWYT can buy himself a mine
😁🙏🏼😅
Makes sense for the LCS class ships have mine sweping packages.
Please get a mine lol I wanna see that
Ever wonder if other countries disguise a passenger ships to keep dropping mines in their (or other) waters just to cause some caution and/or mania?
In order to achieve what? What would be gained from that?
If, let's say for argue's sake, China, would secretly lay some mines at the coast of New York, London, or Rotterdam. It then would by quite possible, even likely, that one of it's own trade vessels would be hit by it. Same goes for Russia. It could lay (some) mines near the larger European harbors. But then again, it would suffer itself from the consequences, as even Russia depends on trade, through exact these harbors.
So as long as there's no conflict, no one has any interest by blowing up a ship or two, just to jeoperdize trade by fear, as they themselves are dependent on the very trade they threaten.
Except for may be a terrorist organization. But these terrorists like to be in the media, hence their preference for taking hostages, or blowing up things in public places. They're hardly interested in blowing up a boat on a distant sea somewhere as that would have a neglectable impact on trade, as well as on the public perception.
@@erikvangelder6671 I get your point. My previous comment was just a hypothetical.
Some Eddy Bravo Look into it kind of deal.
@@erikvangelder6671 to be fair one of al qaeda’s first big terrorist attack was a suicide attack on a US warship.
You should’ve used sexier music for the types of mines.
Noted!
Just like send a shit ton of heavy smol ships
"US Navy buys 2 billion Hobby RC Subs and straps firecrackers to it"
I recognise this vid is over a year old but that ship in the opening spiel bending like a piece of string makes me extremely uncomfortable. Also great vid very interesting.
I can see why the US navy don't see it a a big concern. In order to lay those mines, you need to get close to a naval port first. And it's doesn't matter how you do it, by air or by sea, you are most likely to be dead before successfully laying the mines. And laying defensive mines means you can are already surrounded by the US navy, your country is basically under a blockage by that point.
Comedy at it's finest
Until you step on one!
7:03 here's a great example of the weirdness of the English language, the pronunciation is "sev-urred".
Do you think burying the sea mines a few inches below the sea floor would make it harder to detect?
This isn't very convincing. The USN is designed around aircraft carriers which can stand off in international waters where we know mines aren't present in high concentration and project power. In any neer peer conflict that makes anti-ship missiles by far the bigger threat.
I suppose the U-boat threat in WW II would be equally unconvincing as U-boats were vulnerable on the surface and could not match the speed of Royal Navy warships. Of course warships were not their primary target.
German magnetic mines were initially very effective in WW II, until substantial resources were put into two countermeasures - (1) aircraft that could generate sufficient magnetic fields from an altitude of over 50' (below this the mine could damage them), and (2) degaussing ships to remove their magnetic fields.
Technology not standing still. How much resources are being spent on making mines harder to detect? And how long would it take to develop the countermeasure that neutralizes them?
Rather than going after a carrier group, a greater effect might be achieved disrupting the US economy (and potentially the supply chain that supports that carrier group) by mining shipping lanes off the coast of USA, and mining harbors of regional nations that might support USA.
A submarine carrying out commerce raiding in these locations might be subject to detection/interception before even making it there, but mines could be deployed by a modified cargo ship. The cost of the mines and deployment ships could be quite low compared to the damage they inflict. And they may continue to be there disrupting shipping of nations hostile to you long after active hostilities cease.
@@iansneddon2956 I'm not saying there is no threat. Just that it's less of a threat. The strategic situation is much different than in WW2. The most likely conflicts the US is likely to get involved in are things like resisting an invasion of Taiwan. Any conflict that reached the point of full scale mining of US harbors and lasted long enough for the economic damage to be war relevant would be scarily pretty likely to go nuclear before that point making the mines less relevant.
I'm not saying they aren't relevant at all, but I don't buy the claim they are a bigger concern than anti-ship missiles.
@@petergerdes1094 Whether something is more or less of a threat is in context rather than inherent nature/characteristics of the weapon.
An artillery battery will pose more of a threat to lightly armored vehicles driving down a road than a single IED in terms of destructive power, but was not a realistic threat to American forces on patrol in Iraq. You get asymmetrical warfare because opponents of the US Military have generally not been able to viably stand on a battlefield against them, at least through most of my adult life.
I'm also not thinking of this needing to pose some existential threat to USA to achieve an objective.
Consider my u-boat analogy. Ultimately, the u-boats did not existentially threaten Britain or USA. It could have gotten to the point of threatening Britain if there were more u-boats and if Britain was not ultimately able to counter them. They were a serious threat, and serious resources were thrown into countermeasures which ultimately won the Battle of the Atlantic.
I think the deployment of mines by covert means using modified cargo ships is a more likely threat than a nuclear attack submarine of the US seaboard. Advances in technology and deployment of infrastructure can increase the risk of the submarine being detected and engaged. A covert ship flying some other nation's flag can cause the USN to have to change its operations. It's not like the same ship is going to come back and obviously be doing it again, but what about another ship flying a different flag?
You can get some merchant ships hitting mines. Maybe some USN support ship hits one. Perception is that USN cannot defend American waters. They clear the mines, and some new ones get deployed and USN looks somewhat ineffectual.
You now have to ramp up patrols and inspections of ships approach US shores. Those resources have to come from somewhere which may be pulling back resources from the foreign region. This may still leave a sufficient force deployed, but can also look like a retreat.
It doesn't have to force USA to change overall strategies or operations, it might just be a loss of image that the greatest military in the world is struggling. (In WW2 we had the largest navy in the world struggling against a few dozen submarines - they ultimately won but they certainly didn't look all that great at the start of the conflict).
I hope you can buy your mine soon :)
Without watching the video in it's entirety, you need a non magnetic Hull!
Now I'll watch the video! 🤣
As a mineman it's awesome to see someone focus on this type of warfare.
I think your channel is one of, if not the best channel on UA-cam. Interesting, well researched topics with great narration and a perfect amount of humor. Goes for pretty much all your videos, shorts or longs. Definition of quality. Love it❤
interesting video! well done! and big thanks for including metric units! you are the best! 😎
Yes I would like to order a few thousand naval mines.
No, for no reason
One thing to note is that some mines be it through design or age and/or neglect may not reliably detonate, meaning that even if a dummy ship gets sent through a field and makes it, it is not guaranteed to be safe. More advanced mines may be able to distinguish targets and avoid an old cargo ship.
Problem is when your navy have only mine destroyers as their only modern ships. Like in the case of Poland. Instead of fast building new warships, we have 50 years old warships and 3 super modern mine destroyers and like 15 newly built tugboats
"Littoral combat ships are the future of minesweepers." Well that aged like milk.
Can you imagine how short the life of Iran would be if they mined the Straight of Hormuz?
It's exactly what they'd do.
US would either do nothing, something or a lot.
But they couldn't go nuclear - because then every other state in the world that hasn't got nuclear weapons yet but has the ability to acquire them would. It would prove you have to have nuclear weapons to be safe. So expect Turkey, Saudia Arabia, Germany, Japan and even Brazil and Australia and Venezuela to acquire them if they possibly can.
Meanwhile in Iran they have always had a culture that values martyrdom. American ideas of what constitutes a threat to Iran are usually wrong. So they would mine the Persian Gulf if they thought they had to.
Leave it to the Navy to be able to reliably find concealed sea mines, but completely miss a Reef that was most likely on their maps.
The USN doesn't have a large MCM (mine countermeasures) capability, but it works very closely with the USCG (who do have a relatively large MCM component), and coalition allies (Royal Navy, Royal Australian Navy, Japanese Navy, Royal Netherlands Navy, Royal Thai Navy, Republic of Singapore Navy, Republic of China/Taiwanese Navy, Republic of Korea/South Korean Navy, Indian Navy, etc) who do have extensive MCM capabilities and operational doctrines.
Pretty sure the Indian Navy doesn’t even have minesweepers.
They don't yet have dedicated minesweepers, although they're on their third tender for a class to be built. However, India does operate several auxiliary ships that can be employed in MCM as motherships to small boats and drones for the interim.
3:08 oh that's some fifty shades of grey vibes there
We got those mines to sign NDAs beforehand 🤓
Mine craft gone wrong.
Polish navy dill with many ww2 mines on Baltic see, this is only one thing what thay can do good in Polish navy.
How about making active mines?
Ones that move towards a ship?
The double entendre in this video and channel over 🤦...anyway, I see you
This was an interesting video. Will you inform us of the result of that autonomous mine sweeper research in a short video?
Seaman First Class Flipper: OK, I have found the mine. What do I do now Chief.
Chief of the Boat: Alright son, you need to cut the red wire to disarm it.
Seaman First Class Flipper: I can't do that sir.
Chief of the boat: I believe in you son, you're my best sailor.
Seaman First Class Flipper: Thank you for your confidence Chief. I meant I can't cut the red wire because I
don't have hands, and oh I am colorblind too.
You should look into the new hammerhead Seamine, it shoots a homing torpedo. Wild stuff
Lets help him to buy a naval mine!
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