No Collapse in the Garden of Eden | Good Soil
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Small farming is a living critique of industrial capitalism, a rebellion against tyrannies established through widespread fear of and the presumption of scarcity . . . and a tasty way to live. Shawn and Beth Dougherty discuss-and romanticize!-their garden of Eden against the ideologies of modernity.
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I do get the point and understand this is about food supply. . but in a larger sense, where is our thinking when applied to other consumable items? Cleaning supplies? Clothing? Are we burning wood for ash to make soap? Are we growing cotton or linen to make our clothing? Husbanding sheep for wool and spinning yarn for outer wear? I'd like to see episodes with people making those inroads into the supply chain as well. .
unless it was taken from elsewhere, "call no man happy until he is dead" comes from Solon, who was an influential lawmaker in Athens. It’s one of my favorite quotes, and I first encountered it in Herodotus' Histories where Solon features in the very beginning of the work.
Really good episode, and reflections on community. Thank you. It looks like something like this is taking hold in my parish.
Great pair of videos! Love the work of New Polity. I discovered NP 6 months ago and I have found myself challenged in new ways. Praise Jesus! So good to hear of all the good things happening in Steubenville. It’s definitely changed a ton since I was last there. (MA in 09). Thanks Marc and Co.
The quote is from Mark Fisher - “It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.”
Do you all have a butcher shop, mobile butcher, or farm in need of an on-site butcher? I am absolutely considering moving to Steubenville after listening to your podcasts & the community y’all are building there. I work as a whole animal butcher & strength coach/manual therapist/nutritionist and would love to provide that for a community that aligns with my worldview & faith..
Sean, could you send Marc an email? marc@newpolity.com
Catholic Land Movement / Catholic Agrarianism. It’s starting to happen. One step at a time. Grow enough food for your family and your neighbor. That simple.
YES!
Hail the risen king
OK, I guess I'll become a farmer then.
Oh okay, me too I guess.
Oh okay, me four I guess.
Haha....(i am already a farmer... best life ever!)
@@cultureoflifemedia4545 Start thinking about selling courses on how to farm :D
Me 5
Marc, would your guests be able to provide an abrieviated reading list (or extended!)? I am not all the way through the episode, so you may get to that, but I am sure there would be many interested to see the pratical and speculative texts that formed both Mr. and Mrs. Dougherty.
God is good!
This is what we want. Catholic permaculture / distributism
So if you were a city planner, what would you say ought to be the minimum property size? Or is there more to it?
One thing that isn't discussed here too much is globalization and that is the imperial scope of politics. What is the effect of globalization on farming market? Has income been sucked out of farmers due to opening to cheap labour markets? And if so, then obviously it will be hard for people to live radically if the imperial system is set against them. Globalization and deindustrialization lead to metropolization of societies - you have to look at this.
I just tried to listen to this on Spotify and was getting blank audio. It was 1:37:00 of silence
Thanks, we'll fix it.
Marc, when would you resume the gender podcast?
@@zavalajoseraul The Gender Series will resume next Tuesday.
Any Canadians here? My Wife and I are looking to move away from Vancouver because there is no hope of owning a house, let alone workable land. Mostly we are looking for a community.
We're in Montreal and looking for the same thing!
@@capucinetosi8361 Nice to meet you, is there anywhere that you have considered?
I'm still young (22) so not yet but am intending to go out looking very soon... I'm sure when I'll be where God wants me I'll know it! What about you?
I want to preface this by saying I have learned a lot from following these podcasts, I think the work New Polity is doing is generally good, and I think the basic thrust of this particular series is good too (relying on ourselves and our neighbors for food, to the extent we can, I think is an unqualified good!) That said, there are a few comments here that are either wrong or at least lack the evidence necessary to make them. For instance, if you are going to insinuate that our diets are causing increased rates of autism, you need to be able to provide some evidence for that beyond "I didn't know any autistic people growing up." As far as I can tell the rise in autism seems pretty well explained by changes in diagnostic criteria. Also, there seems to be a clear stance here that GMOs are bad. Maybe they are, I don't know, but I also don't know why they would be. It's worth noting that it's not exclusively BIG AG(TM) that's endorsing GMOs: that's also the position of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. If you are going to take the position that GMOs are bad, there just has to be a stronger basis.
Again, I think there are dozens of reasons why more localized food production is worth pursuing, many of which you've talked about, but at times this conversation feels like it veers awfully close to an anti-intellectualism which can undermine your broader message (which I think is basically good!)
I'm in full agreement. This is a holistic issue so there might be an impulse here to localize the solution to every problem in local food production - which leads to improperly founded claims like those you mentioned.
I believe Shawn was thinking of Croesus in Herodotus’ account of the sacking of Lydia! 1:16:00
Weren't Aristotle in Nicomachean Ethics and Herodotus in Histories quoting actually Solon who is supposed to have said this? I recognize this quote from Solon
@@oo3380 yes, Croesus is bemoaning the advice Solon had given him as Lydia is being taken.
Aristotle in early parts of NE discusses these words of Solon.
@@oo3380 totally forgot about that. That seems more likely what Shawn was thinking of.
Is industrialism and agrarianism going to be one of your next topics?
I’m glad Opus Dei was brought up bc it seems these ideas are a completely opposed.
Marc, Great topic. Did you open the podcast with an intro of the topic and the guests? I missed it, I guess. Who are these beautiful people? Also, I made a change in 2021 that I will no longer plant for aesthetic reasons only but food first and if it has beauty-then thanks be to God. Last year was blueberries for bushes in the front yard and asparagus for greenery on the side of the house.
I believe this is the 2nd video in this discussion.
Good content but unfortunately still lots of interrupting eachother.