In this video I record a 1964 Vox AC30 with JBL D120F in the cab using a Fender Telecaster. I'm using 4 different mics and I'm utlizing all the spaces I have close by!
Yeah indeed! There are so many aspects of music production that don’t require us to buy products but we’re all addicts to some extent so these opportunities are hiding in plain sight for many
Not necessarily a lost art as much as the fact that not everyone has 4 microphones to record with, or a nice sounding room without a bunch of bad sounding resonances and nodes. Not everything is some sort of “lost art” as much as just necessity and limitation of money/equipment.
It's definitely more 3D, much closer to what you experience as a player in a room. Close miking already removes lots of room reflections, and therefore room/cabinet character, while the hallway mic brought a lot of life back, to my ears more pleasing and realistic than the room microphone. The bad part is now second-hand hallway prices will skyrocket. 😛
Great peek behind the sonic curtain. Now we all know why your videos always sound the best of about any channel on UA-cam. That hallway mic really adds that special sauce. God bless and rock on 🎸😎👍
James Santiago talks about getting to listen to Jimi Hendrix's individual master tracks when he worked for line 6. He said that his amp was so loud on "Bold as Love" that you can hear it loud and clear in the drum overhead mics which were 20 feet away. And that's what made the guitar sound so huge, even from that first "A" chord that starts the song. That's why it has such a huge "clonk". He spoke about this when they were advertising for the Ox Stomp, because I think that pedal has the option for room noise.
I saw that James with Tim pierce's house explaining the hendrix room tones and he absolutely nailed it with the ox the lion pedal is also just unbelievable
That is fantastic and so much more natural sounding than any amp or pedal reverb! However, not all of us have a cool hallway like you have at your rehearsal space :(
Thanks, yeah but you could bring recordings of your close mics to any hallway and play it back through a speaker and harvest the sound in that hallway with a mic and mix it in with your recording
Try using a bin or even a large coffee can open end pointed at your speaker about 3 feet away. Point mic into can. Or if there's a restroom close, put a mic in the bathtub. There's tons of ways to get cool reverb sounds, and for me the fun has always been discovering them. Rock on!!!
You can fake it pretty well in a DAW using any IR based reverb and an impulse response of a similar room. Also, don't underestimate how much of a difference panning the reverb to the opposite side of the dry signal can make.
I’ve had a fantasy of taking a Marshall stack plexi to the Grand Canyon in a Winnebago . That would be some reverb heaven. How cool would it be if Johan got his hands on some of those new Gibson amps. There’s some about them I really dig. Have that classic vibe. The little petal tremolo and Chanel foot switch are awesome looking.
Look at all the rviews of this Gibson amps, yeah most of them are positive and most of them don't show what's under the hood, the Guitologist has a pretty good video about, bad quality, cheap and the retail price inflated
I need to start doing this from now on, sounds so much better than a plug in although I do love the new soundtoys superplate, nothing beats real spaces for reverb.
Hi, Johan! I really love 95% of the sound, listening by headphones from my android. If I can hear it there, it must be brilliant to the normal speakers! See you! Sig..
If playing through a modeler with headphones thought me one thing, it's how much we take room reverb for granted and how strange a guitar can sound completely dry. Also, it seems like putting the microphone(s) right up against the grill cloth wasn't always the norm. It's surely convenient to have the dry signal and the room sound on different tracks, but maybe it's worth to re-explore what a sigle mic can do if moved back just the right amount.
Wow. Absolutely wonderful sounding! One of my favorite intro/outro guitar sounds is a slow fade from the most distant mic and bringing it slowly closer to the most proximal mic and then doing the opposite for outtros.
Bleed done right is difficult but sounds like you're playing loud when you are. Theres a saxophone youtuber who plays in a cruise ship house band. He does his demos in the huge cavernous metal stair wells and it sounds phenomenal
Natural ambience is great. I think I read that Peter Criss recorded his drums in an empty elevator shaft for 'God of Thunder'. I know that Frankie Banali (Quiet Riot) had the ceiling removed in the studio when recording the drums for the 'Condition Critical' album, just to get more space for the sound. I've actually suggested removing the carpet in our house to my wife, just to get those additional reflections. She won't agree!
Thanks, usually with this distance (5-6m) it’s ok, but with multiple mics there is always some trade off. I always do a quick test where I flip the phase of the room mic first and then reposition it. The hallway mic is no problem at all though.
so closing the door gives you the Abbey Road reverb. :) Sounds great! Now I need to just build a long, concrete hallway. 😃 Did you play around with different positions of the mic, door open, partial open, closed etc and find that that was the sweet spot for all styles? Always love to see your setup and hear your playing.
Thanks! Yeah I tried a bunch of positions but they basically just picks up the ambiance of the hallway. I’ve tried it in many hallways with great results.
@@JohanSegeborn Last question, I promise....do you align the reverb track in your daw, or leave it offset from the close mics? ------------------------------------------------EDIT: Never mind. You answered this in someone else's post. :)
Hi Joan thanks for all your fantastic work. Could ask you a favour? Could you tell me how many inch Is high the Vox headshell cause i'm building a repro for rehouse a combo, I need only this measure. In any case already thanks for all of this stuff.
Hi! Its 23.5cm high, 68.5cm wide and 26.5cm deep. The width and depth corresponds the the same dimensions of the cab. I’m measuring only the outer dimensions of the box excluding feet and handle. Cheers
Thanks! The hallway mic adds no phasing problems. The other three needs to be moved around and having the phases flipped iteratively to minimise phase cancellation
I never liked using reverb pedals for this exact reason. There's already natural reverb in the playing environment. Reverb as an added effect only seems to make sense when using an amp sim
Hi! No phase issues with the hallway mic. But the close mics needs to be carefully positioned. I use the phase switch buttons on the daw to make sure they’re in phase or reposition them otherwise. The room also needs that procedure to a lesser extent. Cheers
Just think about all the live recordings....how was it done back in the day....on say the Allman Brothers live at the Fillmore East record? I don't hear much reverb in that recording....quess your trying to replicate a studio recording scenario....
This is the way Les Paul and Jimmy Page recorded; using room dynamics which became a lost art after people started relying more on electronics.
Yeah indeed! There are so many aspects of music production that don’t require us to buy products but we’re all addicts to some extent so these opportunities are hiding in plain sight for many
Not necessarily a lost art as much as the fact that not everyone has 4 microphones to record with, or a nice sounding room without a bunch of bad sounding resonances and nodes. Not everything is some sort of “lost art” as much as just necessity and limitation of money/equipment.
It's definitely more 3D, much closer to what you experience as a player in a room. Close miking already removes lots of room reflections, and therefore room/cabinet character, while the hallway mic brought a lot of life back, to my ears more pleasing and realistic than the room microphone.
The bad part is now second-hand hallway prices will skyrocket. 😛
Hahahaha! Cheers my friend 😂
Great peek behind the sonic curtain. Now we all know why your videos always sound the best of about any channel on UA-cam. That hallway mic really adds that special sauce. God bless and rock on 🎸😎👍
Thanks my friend, that’s kind of you!
Brilliant! This is why Johan’s is the best guitar channel. I was definitely thinking Peter Green watching that.
Thanks my friend, a very nice compliment!
James Santiago talks about getting to listen to Jimi Hendrix's individual master tracks when he worked for line 6. He said that his amp was so loud on "Bold as Love" that you can hear it loud and clear in the drum overhead mics which were 20 feet away. And that's what made the guitar sound so huge, even from that first "A" chord that starts the song. That's why it has such a huge "clonk". He spoke about this when they were advertising for the Ox Stomp, because I think that pedal has the option for room noise.
Yeah the mic bleed although mostly unintentional was a huge part of the tone
I saw that James with Tim pierce's house explaining the hendrix room tones and he absolutely nailed it with the ox the lion pedal is also just unbelievable
That's quite the "Hallway." Some people might call that a corridor.
That is a great reverb sound. I wish I had a hallway like that.
Thanks!
Great demo and so true. Thank you Johan. Aloha from Hawaii. Darrell
Glad to hear it Darrell! Aloha!
That is fantastic and so much more natural sounding than any amp or pedal reverb! However, not all of us have a cool hallway like you have at your rehearsal space :(
Thanks, yeah but you could bring recordings of your close mics to any hallway and play it back through a speaker and harvest the sound in that hallway with a mic and mix it in with your recording
Try using a bin or even a large coffee can open end pointed at your speaker about 3 feet away. Point mic into can. Or if there's a restroom close, put a mic in the bathtub. There's tons of ways to get cool reverb sounds, and for me the fun has always been discovering them. Rock on!!!
You can fake it pretty well in a DAW using any IR based reverb and an impulse response of a similar room. Also, don't underestimate how much of a difference panning the reverb to the opposite side of the dry signal can make.
Excellent mic technique here! Very cool tones.
Thanks, glad to hear it!
Of course it's free. All of the best things in life are free. Rock on Johan!!
Rock on man!
Awesome sounding hallway!
Thanks Inge!
Again and again and again I am realising what a great musician you are ✌️
Thanks my friend, that’s kind of you!
That rehearsal space looks just like ours!! Great demo Johan 🤘🇸🇪🤘
Thanks! 🇸🇪🤘
I’ve had a fantasy of taking a Marshall stack plexi to the Grand Canyon in a Winnebago . That would be some reverb heaven. How cool would it be if Johan got his hands on some of those new Gibson amps. There’s some about them I really dig. Have that classic vibe. The little petal tremolo and Chanel foot switch are awesome looking.
That would be the ultimate space indeed
Look at all the rviews of this Gibson amps, yeah most of them are positive and most of them don't show what's under the hood, the Guitologist has a pretty good video about, bad quality, cheap and the retail price inflated
Ain't nothing like the real thing 😎🍻🤘
Indeed! 🍺
You should make that into an effect pedal. HALL OF SEGEBORN. I'd buy it.
Thanks man 😉
Great idea Johan! Better than any plug-in ;)
Thanks Jeff!
Wow. Sounds so organic. Definitely a lost art in recording.
Thanks Goobie!
What a brilliant idea and the tone is second to none. Very nice Sir.
Thanks! Great to hear that
Wow, that was an awesome trick!
Thanks!
You got some really nice sound here. That hallway's made for recording. Great demo Johan, thanks!
Thanks Bengt! Glad to hear it!
I need to start doing this from now on, sounds so much better than a plug in although I do love the new soundtoys superplate, nothing beats real spaces for reverb.
Thanks Ben
Brilliant demo once again.
Quite the hallway you got there friend
Hi, Johan!
I really love 95% of the sound, listening by headphones from my android. If I can hear it there, it must be brilliant to the normal speakers! See you!
Sig..
Thanks man! See you!
Terrific and so simple. Good job man
that tele thru vox sounds amazing...
Thanks! Yeah Tele is my favourite through Vox
This is awesome!
Glad to hear it!
Sounds great
Thanks Jason!
Wowz sounds fantastic
Thanks Rodney!
If playing through a modeler with headphones thought me one thing, it's how much we take room reverb for granted and how strange a guitar can sound completely dry.
Also, it seems like putting the microphone(s) right up against the grill cloth wasn't always the norm. It's surely convenient to have the dry signal and the room sound on different tracks, but maybe it's worth to re-explore what a sigle mic can do if moved back just the right amount.
Wow. Absolutely wonderful sounding! One of my favorite intro/outro guitar sounds is a slow fade from the most distant mic and bringing it slowly closer to the most proximal mic and then doing the opposite for outtros.
Thanks! That’s a really cool idea!
I can tell that the outro to over the hills and far away was done with a microphone down the hall and far away.
It sounds great as long as there’s no ABBA cover band rehearsing in one of the other rooms down the hallway!
Hahaha! That’s indeed a question of timing 😂
Awesome! Thanks for sharing this amazing stuff!
Thanks! Glad to hear it
I recently got obsessed by the Brain May solo tone of Somebody To Love. It's very roomy and great.
Yeah great sense of room there
It's great until you play a solo of your life and there's someone on high-heels walking thorugh that hallway at that very moment :D
Hahaha! That certainly has happened 😂
Great idea! I’m gonna try that!!
Thanks Brian!
Bleed done right is difficult but sounds like you're playing loud when you are. Theres a saxophone youtuber who plays in a cruise ship house band. He does his demos in the huge cavernous metal stair wells and it sounds phenomenal
Aloha Johan! Mahalo
I used this method in the 1988 :-) in the parent's bathroom 😅
Outstanding vid on micing. My "hallway" needs some work ...
Thanks, glad to hear it!
Would totally buy a segeborn IR pack😉
Glad to hear that!
johan, i have the same shoes 🤭
it sounds fantastic and phenomenal playing
Glad to hear it Ed! 😆
Thanks man!
Wow so Great ❤❤ greetings from switzerland ✌️✌️
Thanks Marc! Cheers from Gothenburg
Sounds amazing Johan! Really cool. Hope you have kind neighbours😊
Thanks man! No neighbours here fortunately 😂
Natural ambience is great. I think I read that Peter Criss recorded his drums in an empty elevator shaft for 'God of Thunder'. I know that Frankie Banali (Quiet Riot) had the ceiling removed in the studio when recording the drums for the 'Condition Critical' album, just to get more space for the sound. I've actually suggested removing the carpet in our house to my wife, just to get those additional reflections. She won't agree!
That’s brave of you man 😆
@@JohanSegeborn yes, but I think it's a bridge too far!
You should take an impulse response of your hallway so other’s can use it in a convolution reverb plugin!
Or you can play in an open back combo with slightly microphonic tubes and it gives a great reverb!
I love that "hall reverb" ! I tried it in my garage but it is too small to give enough delay ! My car is small too 😅
Thanks! You can record your close mics and bring a speaker to a room/hallway with good ambience and record the reflections too
Yes, trial and error is the best way to succes !@@JohanSegeborn
Very cool Johan! The hallway is magic. When adding room mics, have you ever had phase issues?
Thanks, usually with this distance (5-6m) it’s ok, but with multiple mics there is always some trade off. I always do a quick test where I flip the phase of the room mic first and then reposition it. The hallway mic is no problem at all though.
Great sounding hallway. I like how you panned it like Van Halen. How did it sound with just the close and hall mics with no room mic?
Thanks! I actually had one instance of that combination in there too. I like that combo, sounds really organic
Ah, I see I needed to look at what channels were muted, makes sense now.
Got that 2024 boutique hallway. Just hold on to it for a few years and guys will pay big bucks on eBay for it.
😂
so closing the door gives you the Abbey Road reverb. :) Sounds great! Now I need to just build a long, concrete hallway. 😃 Did you play around with different positions of the mic, door open, partial open, closed etc and find that that was the sweet spot for all styles? Always love to see your setup and hear your playing.
Thanks! Yeah I tried a bunch of positions but they basically just picks up the ambiance of the hallway. I’ve tried it in many hallways with great results.
@@JohanSegeborn Excellent. I'm gonna give that a try. I'll get some construction cones so my wife doesn't bump into it! ;)
@@JohanSegeborn Last question, I promise....do you align the reverb track in your daw, or leave it offset from the close mics?
------------------------------------------------EDIT: Never mind. You answered this in someone else's post. :)
Hi Joan thanks for all your fantastic work. Could ask you a favour? Could you tell me how many inch Is high the Vox headshell cause i'm building a repro for rehouse a combo, I need only this measure. In any case already thanks for all of this stuff.
Thanks Stefano! I’ll measure it first chance. Remind me in the comment section of the next (Friday) video if I forget
@@JohanSegeborn thank you very much
Hi! Its 23.5cm high, 68.5cm wide and 26.5cm deep. The width and depth corresponds the the same dimensions of the cab. I’m measuring only the outer dimensions of the box excluding feet and handle. Cheers
@@JohanSegeborn beautiful. Thanks a lot.
Sounds GOOD Joh! HOW do YOU deal with phasing issues when mixing the tracks together? All just with panning etc?
Thanks! The hallway mic adds no phasing problems. The other three needs to be moved around and having the phases flipped iteratively to minimise phase cancellation
@@JohanSegeborn Ok, that's COOL to know!
Tack!
I never liked using reverb pedals for this exact reason. There's already natural reverb in the playing environment. Reverb as an added effect only seems to make sense when using an amp sim
Hittade just din kanal, grymma videos!!
Johan, do you have any phasing issues, and if so, how do you deal with them?
Hi! No phase issues with the hallway mic. But the close mics needs to be carefully positioned. I use the phase switch buttons on the daw to make sure they’re in phase or reposition them otherwise. The room also needs that procedure to a lesser extent. Cheers
Voxen låter bra
Tackar så mycket Roy! Gott att höra från dig, hoppas allt är bra!
Bara bra med mig jag är kvar i rockverstan med orientalerna
Hall reverb!
I'm going to start charging everyone to use the "studio" when they have go :)
Cheers! 😄
Hej på dej har du flyttat från Rockverkstan
Wow! Do you live in a bunker? 😉
Hahaha! Yeah quite a sturdy building
Just think about all the live recordings....how was it done back in the day....on say the Allman Brothers live at the Fillmore East record?
I don't hear much reverb in that recording....quess your trying to replicate a studio recording scenario....
Yeah indeed I am.
Sounds great.
Not a fan of reverb. Makes my guitar sound mushy
It doesn sounds great, led zepellin style
Thanks!