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I had no intention of buying an e dirtbike....until now. Thanks for opening my eyes. That KTM would be awesome in the back of my truck when camping. It wouldn't bother other campers in the area.
@@justinteixeiravaz I got an Electric Motion ePure Race. I can ride from my garage to the park and anywhere else with the same power as a 300cc and nobody says a word or hears it!
@Bryan Dickerson Haha, so true! It is without a doubt a lot of fun making these videos! The tough days don't often come through on camera but I can assure you there is a load of behind-the-scenes effort to make these happen. Just glad people like you are watching. Thanks for your support Bryan! 👍
I wish I could turn back the clock even just 10 years just don’t have the money for either one it would open up a whole new world for me simply amazing 👍🏻
This machine will go fast enough to hurt you. Im impressed. I appreciate this stuff, the bikes are getting better so quickly. These vids are getting it done...
I don’t know if this has been said but, go back another day and swap the ride order. Start on KTM and then ride the other. See if warming up on one changes the results on the other.
I feel that on a moto track the ktm would destroy the sur ron. But on more twisty technical singletrack trails the sur ron would be much more agile and beat the ktm. And i guess thats why one is an e mtb and one is an e crosser. Horses for courses as the saying goes.
Wow, only a 13 second gain with triple the power and double the weight? That li'l Sur Ron is a beast. It works out to being 7.5% faster (although you got to know the course on the initial Sur Ron test) at triple the price. I see Sur Ron being the choice for most people who aren't made of money. What's the range for each? That might be a clinch statistic, too. P.S: Excellent comparison video, for sure.
I would expect the KTM to be able to thrashed. KTMs rule and have lead many innovations in offroad motorcycles for years, forcing the Japanese adopt same. Obv they have dominated off road racing in the US for years, and of course World GP MXbut had little success in SX/MX in America until they took up that objective and started actually sponsoring riders in America specifically for US racing......
can strongly reccomend a new controller on the surron... changes the feel entirely even with the stock battery. gives about 2x the torque low down, difference is smaller at higher speeds (battery limits the power) but still pulls a bit harder and just 'feels' lighter/more agile.
@@ElectricCycleRider well the nucular gets my recommendation in any case, lots of control over the response rate and a v. good controller all in all... about 1/3rd the size of the original despite 4x the power :P
Electric Cycle Rider - electricrt.com/sur-ron-upgrades/ BAC8000 - $1000 72v battery pack - $1500 Extended range 52Ah option - +$500 The controller/72v battery upgrade inceases HP from about 13 to 24! Top speed inceases to 85mph as confirmed by Jack Cecil on his YT channel.
@@__-pl3jg Sadly ERT doesn't have the best reputation, see regular complaints on FB and ebike/mx forums re issues with support, some even claiming they're blocked when they ask for help... Normally i dont put huge stock in FB complaints but in this case I've seen ERT put 10G wire on controllers that can put out >800A... thats just dumb in the extreme, will overheat in a few seconds of full current (that said, you'd be talking ~800Nm of rear wheel torque at that point, ignoring saturation... so you wont be pulling it for long hahah). The BAC controllers are only resold by them anyway, the controllers themselves are great, good 2nd option when you really want to go over the top :P
Random Person I appreciate you posting this information. I think the SunRon is a dandy, but this just proves when people try and boast about it’s “superiority” over the KTM (just like the Alta) due to price, it just isn’t true. If you add E Cycle Riders suspension & wheel mods + all these you listed + the retail price of the SunRon. You are right at the KTM’s price and performance specs again with a downgraded chassis. Despite what people think, these MFGs aren’t just gouging people (or they all are in a big conspiracy). The Alta vs KTM is the same way. Scale up the KTM performance specs 15-20% and they are pretty well matched and priced with what the Alta was... with a downgraded chassis. As a KTM owner I don’t have a problem saying that, because my bike is still in production despite it’s shortcomings 🤣 I just have to throw more money at it to make it do what I need it to do vs buying an Alta that will sadly be a paperweight in the not to distant future. If I had $10,000 of completely disposable income, I’d have an Alta MXR, Period. I just can’t afford a bike with possible ZERO resale value 5 years from now. The SurRon can grow with the rider which is awesome, but if you’re already a pretty good rider I feel the KTM is a better starting point. Does that make sense?
Lovin my Sur Ron !! Looking to upgrade the controller eventually but for now it's great for local dirt trails where you'd normally get chased off of on a gas DB. The Freerides seem like a lot of fun too ... but the Sur Ron's are a bit stealthier IMO. They look more like a mountain bike than a dirt bike at first glance... Great review though ECR !! 🙌🏼
Another good video but there's just one more comparison I'd like to see. The design of the Sur Ron seems to lean more trials friendly than the full size dirt bikes. If you could get a video of a technical, stop and go, average speed under 10 mph kind of trail, then I'd love to see it.
“The KTM is three times the price, it should be a bit faster” A Bit Faster?!! It should annihilate the Sur Ron! I can’t believe they’re this close, that’s the story here!
Yes, but the sur-ron is build for a single trail like this. With the ktm you can go on a motocross track. I don’t think that the forks of the sur-ron be able to survive a bigger jump because they look like normal mountainbike forks, but the weight is much more...
Just rode one today (Sur-Ron), as a 450 owner/rider myself, the Sun-Ron definitely feels more like a electric Downhill Mountain Bike. However, it was still a blast to ride (in the snow/ice with studded tires), I’m sure the KTM would be even more fun to ride 🤘🏻
@Tony Clifton Curb weight, yes. But when you ride the bike it feels so light because it doesn't have any rotating mass in the engine. I have a KTM 530 as well and they are very different when it comes to riding characteristics.
Electric cycle rider I would really love to see a comparison to the new REV-X or CZEM as I have my eyes on those, they look great and seem robust. Also would be good to hear the range difference between the Ktm & Surron. Thanks for the test.
@Ray Heppner Thanks for reaching out! I am actually going out to test the CZEM in a couple of weeks. I will have some videos in the near future with that bike. As for range, I am seeing approximately 20 miles on the KTM in these conditions and about 17 miles on the Sur-Ron in the same conditions.
@@ElectricCycleRider wow that’s a really low range I thought they can do more.. After that, do you have to charge them? Or can you put in a spare battery and continue riding, while the other battery is charging on your generator?
I do a lot of mechanical mods, some for system optimization. Enjoy the best of both worlds, ICE & E: install and plumb a rear foot brake with hand brake lever if hydraulically actuated. Probably already done. With eBikes you could even setup a left and right foot brake for leaning in either turn! Those levers can be mechanically connected without additional plumbing/tubing 😀
Best review I’ve ever seen on both of these bikes! Using the lit pro and doing a head to head is awesome. Please do this on a KTM300/250 2-stroke I would be very interested. BTW our 2 SurRon’s are arriving tomorrow! Can’t wait. The KTM Freeride is WAY too overpriced I’d much rather have my KTM300 for that price.
@Brian Lampright Thanks man! I appreciate the feedback. Yes, plan on doing a 300 vs Freeride on here soon. I hear you, the 300 is a hard bike to beat at that price. Hope you have fun with the new Sur Rons.
Performance wise, maybe interesting. But really, if you’re interested in an electric bike a 2 stroke smoker is probably not on the radar. Not really comparable bikes. And lots of places don’t allow 2 strokes anymore.
@@mechanicalman1068 That's only a problem in CA. In Oregon, NV, UT, CO most people off-road are on two strokes. I own a YZ125, YZ250, Zero MX, & a Sur-Ron.
Thanks for sharing an objective comparison between two different class bikes. It was good to hear the pros n cons each way and where one is better over the other. I’ve been thinking about getting an e-dirt bike but don’t know much about them or what’s available. To see comparisons like this is very helpful. I come from a motox background but I’ve transitioned to MTB in later years just because there’s more places to ride a quite less destructive MTB where I live. I purchased a Beta trials bike thinking that might work but it’s still too noisey n a bit heavy. (Gates) I had heard Honda we’re looking into E-dirt bikes. Do you know anything about them??
@Cam Dunnage Hey Cam, thanks for the note and feedback. Always nice to hear that it was informative and helpful! I understand your perspective completely, I ride a lot of MTB as well. Often times it is just easier to go ride MTB because of access and ease. Honda does have the CR-E prototype but no signs that it will be in production soon. All the manufacturers are experimenting but if they enter this space at full capacity, they threaten cannibalizing their current gas lineup. I can verify that every major manufacturer bought an Alta and tore it apart for research. If that doesn't tell you something... Have you tried an E-MTB yet?
Electric Cycle Rider yes I’ve been looking into E MTB also. Tossing up which way to go. Theres a lot more selection for E MTB and there’re a lot easier to purchase over here. So that would possibly be my first option for getting out n about. But I want to setup a small MX practice track out on the section and was thinking an E MX bike would be good. The noise won’t annoy neighbours
@@ElectricCycleRider it would be interesting to see which one you like the most! I got a Kuberg for My daughter, now I want a electric bike myself! I've been looking at the Cake Kalk, but there are not many videos on YT with the Kalk on a track like yours
Motorbike components are just heavier duty than mountain bike parts. You can just hit things harder with the extra quality even if the power outputs were concidered equal. But for my money the ktm .every time.
@rene mogensen I am doing a giveaway on May 22 for 4 of these throttles. I do not know where you can buy them at the moment because Sur-Ron sent them to me directly to try out. Here is how you can win one this week: ua-cam.com/video/Re91nLLYCo8/v-deo.html
Definitely man You got to do a review on that it's a whole different beast with those mods. It should be nearly equivalent to the KTM but with a lot less weight.
This test was done some time ago. I'd like to see it done again and the Surron equipped with the x-9000 controller and a 72V battery. Or the KTM might be a closer match with the Ultra Bee which wasn't out at that time.
Cake Kalk vs Freeride, I rode the Kalk OR and my Light Bee back to back and the Kalk definitely felt more powerful and bigger. I think the Kalk would be a good comparison to the Freeride. I've yet to ride the Freeride though. The Kalk weigh's 25lbs more than the Light Bee but it definitely more powerful, it doesn't "feel" as light as the Light Bee though.
I owned a sur-Ron and sold it because it’s way to small and feels like it would snap under nearneadth me. It can’t compete with a proper trail bike. Standard suspension bottomed out on the smallest of jumps and feels cheap compared to the KTM. My kids loved it though .
I'm very intrigued with the electric dirt bikes being an avid dirt bike rider for the majority of my adult life but how expensive they are just too much plus I'm a two-stroke man but I give it to them e-bikes seem fast
@Robert Corser Great question and something I should have pointed out in the video. I'm glad to have viewers like you to keep me on my toes! Both bikes were charged to 100% before the test. The Sur-Ron X had 32% battery after this test and the KTM Freeride E-XC had approximately 60% battery. This includes the 4 mile out and back to the track which includes, some hill climbs and rocky terrain. The range on the Sur-Ron is diminished when you ride it wide open, which is what happened here.
Flawless riding. What an exciting video. I’d like to ride through there on the Sur Ron at a leisurely pace and enjoy some scenery. My days of going fast at all are far behind me. Thanks for the video. I appreciate it. Have fun. Try to be safe👍🏻🇺🇸🤠
It looks fast on flat terrine , but you should try high up hills and you will find out than e bikes are not there yet. Love new technology but ebikes need some more tuning etc..
@djdario8309 I've done some hill climb videos you can watch where I directly talk about this. I live in Colorado and had to climb quite a few vertical feet to even get the bikes to this practice track. The Sur-Ron suffers on the hill climbs but KTM makes short work of them. If it's slow speed technical climbs, I want for a clutch to modulate power but if it's over 5MPH, the Freeride screams up it.
Wow, Sur-Ron was amazingly fast for what looks little more than a BMX on steroids; but surely, can't the mfr. come up with a better name? I'm a big KTM fan, have 3 of them in my garage and once I've grown tired of the 125XC I could well replace it with a Freeride. It seems VERY competent and, like someone here mentioned, less annoying for my neighbors.
@Alta Redshift EX Thanks for the note! Both bikes were charged to 100% before the test. The Sur-Ron X had 32% battery after this test (including the out and back to the track) and the KTM Freeride E-XC had approximately 60% battery. The range is diminished when you ride the Sur-Ron hard, which is what happened here. As for the Alta Redshift, I do have access to one and will be putting it up against the KTM Freeride E-XC soon!
Love the videos. I was hoping you could help? I ride a 2001 cr250r and a 2020 ktm 250xcw. Looking for something to play around the neighborhood and take to the trails. My problem, I'm 6'4 and 180lbs. Would you go with the ktm or cake? Have you tried the electric motion escape? Didnt see in your videos. Amy feedback would be greatly appreciated.
I've seriously considered buying one, but right now the ability of E-Bikes occupy this middle ground, where it can't replace my mountain bike because exercise is a big part of that, and for my motorbike trail riding none of them could handle the distances and terrain.
It is interesting how a mountain bike based E-Dirt Bike that costs around 4k can even hang in the remote area hot lap wise as a 13k full on electric Enduro machine. I have been looking at a bunch of different E-Dirt machines and one that really peaks my interest simply because of the way it is built and the price of ownership is the Veli Moto VMX 12. It is also available as Time ET moto, and the Nicot Moto. It is roughly the same price as the Sur Ron X Black Edition and puts out 12KW through a 4 speed transmission. They claim a top speed of 70 mph and roughly between 50 and 100km of range depending how hard you are running it. It would be interesting to see how it fairs in a hot lap shoot out. The suspension is going to be its greatest handicap as it is not a linkeage style rear swingarm but rather more like the older pitbike rear suspension or more comparable to the KLX 110 rear A-frame swing arm and shock. I have seen videos of it on you tube dog walking the Sur Ron x in a stock format. However, I have seen Sur Rons with about 3k worth of battery and controller upgrades raise hell with CRF 250Rs so I guess it is all about how much you want to pay to play. Anyway great video and for me if you are not a privateer racer the Sur Ron X is a economical way to play offroad and not be obnoxious.
Wow awesome comparo mate I'd have to say at 1st glance you look way more at home on the KTM overall the KTM is definitely a winner in my books I'm sure both bikes have their advantages the Suron looks more like a MTB than a Moto
Thanks for the video. I really want to buy a Freeride. The dealer says he has a adapter that will plug into the euro 230 volt charger and my 240 volt dryer outlet. That's great, but when I asked him if putting the higher voltage into the charger and battery would do any harm, he couldn't answer me. If anyone knows please help.
I have both, I put 2K into the Sur Ron, and its every bit as fast as the KTM now. I'm all in on the Sur Ron for 5900, 11K on the KTM. Value is with the Sur Ron all day long. We have a Lite Speed Big Power Battery, MX Wheels, New Seat, Bars, Brakes, Pegs, Fenders. If your thinking of getting into electric off road, the Sur Ron is by FAR the better value, and the aftermarket support blows away the KTM
im sick of seeing youtube videos with a 72v bac8000 on the street i would love to see them off road with a comparison video like this especially that you can push the sur ron past 20kw essentially higher power than the ktm at half the weight you already a lot of mechanical upgrades to allow it too
Nice video! Not sure i totally agree with your comments about the rear brake re needing all your weight on the rear (foot brake), since 70% at least of your stopping force would come from the front brake anyway and what do you use for that...1 or 2 fingers max? I think on the Surron it would feel more natural to use the rear hand brake as its more like a MTB on steroids, where as the E KTM would feel more like a normal dirt bike, and we are all used to the foot brake riding dirt bikes! I think once you got used to a LH rear brake it would/should be better. Once again great vid.
@FMOB Fire Men On Bikes Thanks for the note! Yes, I've been riding these bikes with left hand rear brakes for quite a while now and agree, it is easier to stop the Sur-Ron with that brake largely because the bike weighs 120 pounds. The front brake on the Freeride works very well and as you would expect it to. The rear brake has a different characteristic and does not have the same effortless front brake pull. It's the same reason Alta put a rear foot brake on and not a hand brake.
Off the top of my head, don’t recall if rear brake usually runs a smaller master cylinder than the front. If they’re using a standard/smaller size cylinder for the rear, maybe that’s the issue?
I've never ridden either but I can tell just by how you look on the Suron vs KTM this is basically comparing a mtn bike tinker toy to a Real Dirt Bike. Not taking away from the Suron, they just are two total different machines.
I love my Sur Ron and KTM Freeride. This guy in a video is trying to compare a DIY enduro with a HUB motor to a Sur Ron. ua-cam.com/video/G2YyKXYTUYw/v-deo.html I tried to explain to him that they are 2 different machines. No way I would take a DIY enduro with a hub motor and rip it hard like MY Sur Ron it would fall apart or destroy the heavy hub motor plus the balance is way off. Some people just can't handle how awesome the Sur Ron is for the money. lol. You should contact ERT Electric Race Technologies to see if they would let you review the plug and play BAC 8000 on your Sur Ron. 11Kw's of power and only $900 dollars for the upgrade. It was well worth it. The torque and top speed are insane now 60+ mph. No change in weight. Awesome video and riding btw, you're ripping it! Keep posting! Subscribed!
Nice work, really good video. I am planning to buy Sur Ron but i have doubt about battery temperature as we all ride dirt bike to their limits so this electric version batteries will heat up a lot, its a most important critical factor but no video shows what exactly temperature behaviour of sur ron batteries in field, can you guyz show us, it would be so exciting to watch temperature behaviour of Sur Ron battery in action.
Hey Tucker can you compare the CZEM Drill one to the KTM freeride E-XC I'm looking at both bike to buy and would like to see your results on the testing head to head. Thanks
Man these electric bikes and motorcycles have come a long way they are so awesome I wish I knew somebody had a lot of money or was rich that would buy me one of these because this is the only way I've ever get one way too expensive but still awesome
I have a SurRon with a 54T, 8000 Controller and LiteSpeeds 74v big power battery. I can easily out run 250s and hang with 450s in the woods. I was able to sell the stock parts, so I'm into it for thousands less than the KTM. I prefer how light the SurRon is in the woods.Buy a SurRon and spend 2k making it what you want.
@@curiousjoe2410 You need the controller, I don't think the stock controller will allow the 74v. Mine hits 68-70 on the bigger sprocket. I could get 80+ on the stock gears. On a moto cross track, 250s would over power me, but on trails, 2 tracks, my TQ advantage is HUGE. It wheelies on command thru 35mph. Theres a BAC 4000 controller and smallest 74v battery out there that will also greatly improve the bike even cheaper. I have larger mAh and amp capacity specifically so I can race it.
Social Garage thanks for your answer. There is no other issues regarding the bike when releasing all added rpm, speed and power? The surron handles this without issues?
power consumption is x2 for the ktm bike, however it has a battery twice the size of a sur-ron.. the beauty is you can buy a battery that's 25% bigger then the KTM's pack and put it into the sur-ron for about 2k more..
The diff in power was noticeable in that on the KTM's second lap you could see that the course was getting roosted up. I didn't hear a comment about the weight difference while riding but I thought he said the KTM was as heavy as a real Thumper or even heavier and double the weight of the Surron. Surprised there was only a 13 sec diff on the respective quickest laps, given the performance difference.
I have a Sur-Ron and an Alta. Would love to see how the freeride E does on my hard single track. Any chance you want to ride my place? 7 miles of track on my property on Storm Mountain above Drake.
@Kenneth Hitch Right on! A friend of mine lives up in Drake, he's taken me out on some of the Storm singletrack up there. Hope you guys are ok after the fires. Shoot me an email and hopefully we can ride sometime. electriccyclerider@gmail.com
@@ElectricCycleRider My home survived. The trail system and the single track did not. We hiked and cleared 5 miles of it the other day. We plan to knock out the rest (including Donor Pass) with saws on our bikes in the spring.
Most your braking comes from the front brake. The front brake is actuated by your hand... Rear foot brakes are only for when the clutch takes up that space.
Interesting comparison. If you’re looking for speed the Freeride seems the clear winner. It’s 2.3x the cost but you’d spend that much getting the Sur-Ron close to its stock pace. But if ultimate speed isn’t the goal, the Sur-Ron seems a good choice. Have you done a battery comparison? How long does the Sur-Ron last? That’s my biggest concern. Then I also wish they’d redo the rear swing arm to fit a 16” rear tire instead of the 19” front tire they are using stock. It probably eats through front tires on the rear and is giving up traction and puncture resistance.
I have the segway x260 which is the clone of the sur ron and the company claims like 60-75 miles of range but I can’t typically do about 25-30 miles of hard riding and I’m down to 10% battery. I’m usually toast by then so it’s perfect. In terms of speed, the Surron will hit 50 on flat road and 45 up a hill so it’s no slouch in the speed department
You know like 75-90% of your stopping power comes from the front brake right? And of course those are all hand operated. You should be able to lock up your rear brake no problem with two fingers. If not you may need to check your bleed.
@Sam Toshner I've been riding dirt bikes for almost 30 years. Respectfully, I am very familiar with how brakes should feel and how to use them. Yes, the front brake on this bike stops very well and as you would expect. If you've ridden this bike, you'll realize that the rear pull does not react the same way as the front and requires a stronger pull.
Man, you've got balls to run so hot on that track. I'm currently building a Stealth Bomber frame e-bike and it's about the same weight and look as the Sur Ron, has a noseless Schwinn seat, the mid-drive motor is the Luna Cycle Cyclone 3D 3000watt with the standard sine wave controller, the battery I'm building is a 72Volt 40 AH battery made from LifePO4 32650's @ 3.2V 6amp, should be able to get around 45MPH, but watching you go around that track, I'm wondering if I'm ever going to get that fast. Maybe if I had some long level stretches with no turns, but at 64 years old, I don't think my reflexes are going to be up to running like you did. Hats off to yuh! It was a lot of fun, just watching you. I think my heart rate got higher when you ran the E-XC! 🖖😎
@Robert Corser Another great idea! If I ever get a 72v battery/controller to compare with, it will warrant a cost comparison video for sure. MSRP + modifications as the bikes were in this video would be in this ballpark: Sur-Ron : $6,000 Approximately KTM: $11,000 Approximately If you added a controller/battery and some other suspension upgrades to the Sur-Ron, you'd be getting dangerously close to the cost of a KTM or a Cake Kalk.
Great video, very good info, but you omitted one key point of information - the battery size and usage! The KTM has more than double the battery capacity of the Sur-ron! (1.8kWh vs 3.9). So how much juice was left in the bikes after you'd done the 5 laps?! Not much in the Sur-ron, I suspect!
@PNB London Thanks and fair points! It's been far too long for me to remember at this point but they are generally very close in battery usage and range. The KTM edges it out a little bit but not a ton. 👍
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Pls give me a suron
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I could sneak a Surron into my local trails that I ride to from my house without putting the bike on a car. Not so with the KTM.
Hey...was wonder what you weigh and the top speeds of the bikes. Would they handle a 250 lb rider very well....nice video...thx and keep it up
I had no intention of buying an e dirtbike....until now. Thanks for opening my eyes. That KTM would be awesome in the back of my truck when camping. It wouldn't bother other campers in the area.
@mixflip That's awesome to hear! Thanks for sharing and drop a note when you get one! 👍
Same I have a sx-f but this looks like a blast
Personally wouldn’t bother seen full power 30+bhp 125s race them and there still abit slower
@@justinteixeiravaz I got an Electric Motion ePure Race. I can ride from my garage to the park and anywhere else with the same power as a 300cc and nobody says a word or hears it!
Till ya got that generator running at 3 in the morning charging it up.
It's interesting to see the different industries converge on the same idea. The KTM is more motorcycle, whereas the Sur-Ron is more bicycle.
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KTM is also more than twice the price so there's that.
Would of been really nice to see battery life after on each.
Just amazing how far E cycles have come! Thanks for showing them off. It’s a tough job but somebody’s gotta do it, right? ;^)
@Bryan Dickerson Haha, so true! It is without a doubt a lot of fun making these videos! The tough days don't often come through on camera but I can assure you there is a load of behind-the-scenes effort to make these happen. Just glad people like you are watching. Thanks for your support Bryan! 👍
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Next comparison I'd like to see, Drill One vs FreeRide vs Talaria.
If you hung a FMF pipe off the Sur Ron it would greatly improve lap times. Or a sticker for slight improvement.
Don’t forget to increase the intake as well with a nice K&N breather.
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You're one hell of a pilot, i would NEVER EVER lend you my bike lol
@gg morris 😂
😄 i would hit the first tree in the first corner and fall down on these rocks and break something at 1/5 of this speed
@@wiesodass5543 jajajaja
Apart from the biketest, amazing to see how the guy rides!
He knows that track
Freaking amazing! Just a few years back, I couldn’t even image a bike like this. Great riding and great video.
I wish I could turn back the clock even just 10 years just don’t have the money for either one it would open up a whole new world for me simply amazing 👍🏻
Dont worry God has a garage full for you one day
@@wrighthausracing9641 thank you
This machine will go fast enough to hurt you. Im impressed. I appreciate this stuff, the bikes are getting better so quickly. These vids are getting it done...
So will any, down a hill ;) but I am also impressed. The price point for the Sur-Ron is quite impressive as well.
You can almost double the speed, acceleration and range with the $1,000 72V upgrade on the Sur Ron and smoke that KTM!
I don’t know if this has been said but, go back another day and swap the ride order. Start on KTM and then ride the other. See if warming up on one changes the results on the other.
Good point
He did one some time back, riding an ICE KTM first and then riding the Surron.
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I feel that on a moto track the ktm would destroy the sur ron. But on more twisty technical singletrack trails the sur ron would be much more agile and beat the ktm. And i guess thats why one is an e mtb and one is an e crosser. Horses for courses as the saying goes.
Dude I love my Hondas but and I think I'm going to get a electric dirt bike in the near future LOL I really dig them
I'm surprised honda hasn't come out with an electric dbike
This is how a test should be done, real good input covering all grounds doing an honest comparison 👍🏻
@Wheelie Wade Thiesen Thanks! Appreciate the note.
I dont think I could get away with riding that KTM on bike trails near me. The sur ron though... I bet I could squeak by without notice.
Wow, only a 13 second gain with triple the power and double the weight? That li'l Sur Ron is a beast. It works out to being 7.5% faster (although you got to know the course on the initial Sur Ron test) at triple the price. I see Sur Ron being the choice for most people who aren't made of money. What's the range for each? That might be a clinch statistic, too. P.S: Excellent comparison video, for sure.
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Love how he's thrashing them hard over rough as hell terrain lmso
I would expect the KTM to be able to thrashed. KTMs rule and have lead many innovations in offroad motorcycles for years, forcing the Japanese adopt same. Obv they have dominated off road racing in the US for years, and of course World GP MXbut had little success in SX/MX in America until they took up that objective and started actually sponsoring riders in America specifically for US racing......
can strongly reccomend a new controller on the surron... changes the feel entirely even with the stock battery. gives about 2x the torque low down, difference is smaller at higher speeds (battery limits the power) but still pulls a bit harder and just 'feels' lighter/more agile.
@sn0wchyld Awesome. Yea man, still working out how to get one but looking forward to trying it for sure!
@@ElectricCycleRider well the nucular gets my recommendation in any case, lots of control over the response rate and a v. good controller all in all... about 1/3rd the size of the original despite 4x the power :P
Electric Cycle Rider - electricrt.com/sur-ron-upgrades/
BAC8000 - $1000
72v battery pack - $1500
Extended range 52Ah option - +$500
The controller/72v battery upgrade inceases HP from about 13 to 24! Top speed inceases to 85mph as confirmed by Jack Cecil on his YT channel.
@@__-pl3jg Sadly ERT doesn't have the best reputation, see regular complaints on FB and ebike/mx forums re issues with support, some even claiming they're blocked when they ask for help... Normally i dont put huge stock in FB complaints but in this case I've seen ERT put 10G wire on controllers that can put out >800A... thats just dumb in the extreme, will overheat in a few seconds of full current (that said, you'd be talking ~800Nm of rear wheel torque at that point, ignoring saturation... so you wont be pulling it for long hahah). The BAC controllers are only resold by them anyway, the controllers themselves are great, good 2nd option when you really want to go over the top :P
Random Person I appreciate you posting this information. I think the SunRon is a dandy, but this just proves when people try and boast about it’s “superiority” over the KTM (just like the Alta) due to price, it just isn’t true.
If you add E Cycle Riders suspension & wheel mods + all these you listed + the retail price of the SunRon. You are right at the KTM’s price and performance specs again with a downgraded chassis. Despite what people think, these MFGs aren’t just gouging people (or they all are in a big conspiracy).
The Alta vs KTM is the same way. Scale up the KTM performance specs 15-20% and they are pretty well matched and priced with what the Alta was... with a downgraded chassis. As a KTM owner I don’t have a problem saying that, because my bike is still in production despite it’s shortcomings 🤣 I just have to throw more money at it to make it do what I need it to do vs buying an Alta that will sadly be a paperweight in the not to distant future.
If I had $10,000 of completely disposable income, I’d have an Alta MXR, Period. I just can’t afford a bike with possible ZERO resale value 5 years from now. The SurRon can grow with the rider which is awesome, but if you’re already a pretty good rider I feel the KTM is a better starting point. Does that make sense?
Lovin my Sur Ron !! Looking to upgrade the controller eventually but for now it's great for local dirt trails where you'd normally get chased off of on a gas DB. The Freerides seem like a lot of fun too ... but the Sur Ron's are a bit stealthier IMO. They look more like a mountain bike than a dirt bike at first glance... Great review though ECR !! 🙌🏼
@A Jelltone Right on! Thanks for the note!
sure you do.sure
Another good video but there's just one more comparison I'd like to see. The design of the Sur Ron seems to lean more trials friendly than the full size dirt bikes. If you could get a video of a technical, stop and go, average speed under 10 mph kind of trail, then I'd love to see it.
“The KTM is three times the price, it should be a bit faster”
A Bit Faster?!!
It should annihilate the Sur Ron!
I can’t believe they’re this close, that’s the story here!
Yes, but the sur-ron is build for a single trail like this. With the ktm you can go on a motocross track. I don’t think that the forks of the sur-ron be able to survive a bigger jump because they look like normal mountainbike forks, but the weight is much more...
13 seconds a lap is not close. If this were a 30 minute moto the Sur Ron is well over 2 minutes behind.
13 seconds is close enough for 1/3 the price
@@beauhawk1146 13 seconds is huge in racing but riding for fun harder to justify the price difference.
One is a dirt bike and the other one is a bicycle final little confused by this test
I want 1. The missus wants new carpets for the hall. Landing and stairs. I think I'm getting old cos I know I've allready lost.
Also, you aren't factoring in the hospital visit cost after hitting a tree
You looked literally quicker on the freeride straight away. and by the looks the KTM is a more substantial bike for sure cheers mate
@Thumpermad For sure! I agree. Feels a lot faster too!
Just rode one today (Sur-Ron), as a 450 owner/rider myself, the Sun-Ron definitely feels more like a electric Downhill Mountain Bike.
However, it was still a blast to ride (in the snow/ice with studded tires), I’m sure the KTM would be even more fun to ride 🤘🏻
The freeride weighs more than my ktm 500? Freaking crazy
@Tony Clifton Curb weight, yes. But when you ride the bike it feels so light because it doesn't have any rotating mass in the engine. I have a KTM 530 as well and they are very different when it comes to riding characteristics.
@@ElectricCycleRider wow
Electric cycle rider I would really love to see a comparison to the new REV-X or CZEM as I have my eyes on those, they look great and seem robust.
Also would be good to hear the range difference between the Ktm & Surron. Thanks for the test.
@Ray Heppner Thanks for reaching out! I am actually going out to test the CZEM in a couple of weeks. I will have some videos in the near future with that bike.
As for range, I am seeing approximately 20 miles on the KTM in these conditions and about 17 miles on the Sur-Ron in the same conditions.
@@ElectricCycleRider Thanks for sharing
@@ElectricCycleRider wow that’s a really low range I thought they can do more..
After that, do you have to charge them?
Or can you put in a spare battery and continue riding, while the other battery is charging on your generator?
I want one I just feel like there to high for a electric bike. You can get a real dirt bike for 3 thousand
You can get a nice dirt jump bicycle for less then 1000$
I love KTM.... this would be a perfect fit for me... as my 17 year old V2 cylinder 950 Adventure S is slightly louder then the Freeride :-)
I went tubeless a few weeks ago. It saved about 3 lbs of rotating weight. It was easy and very affordable.
Which bike? KTM or Sur-Ron?
@@kevinclark9176 Xiaomi M365
@@kevinclark9176 Sur Ron, just watch the Park Tools videos on the subject.
@@rayperkins4036 I will try tubliss with oem front tire
How much battery percent did you use on each bike in this test? Trying to get an idea of real world range.
Awesome comparison, thank you. I gotta say, I'd kill to get my footbrake on my handlebars!
@mel22b Haha! Man, I wish I liked it more!
Same! Though I'd switch the rear to the right like it is on mountain bikes.
I do a lot of mechanical mods, some for system optimization. Enjoy the best of both worlds, ICE & E: install and plumb a rear foot brake with hand brake lever if hydraulically actuated. Probably already done. With eBikes you could even setup a left and right foot brake for leaning in either turn! Those levers can be mechanically connected without additional plumbing/tubing 😀
I am 6’1, 220lbs. Will these bikes be big enough for me or will they look too small.
Exact video I’ve been wanting and waiting to watch. Thanks!!
@Robert Corser Thanks! 👍
Watching to watch? 🤔
@@gladtv7873 HA!! Good catch....corrected. :-)
Best review I’ve ever seen on both of these bikes! Using the lit pro and doing a head to head is awesome. Please do this on a KTM300/250 2-stroke I would be very interested. BTW our 2 SurRon’s are arriving tomorrow! Can’t wait. The KTM Freeride is WAY too overpriced I’d much rather have my KTM300 for that price.
@Brian Lampright Thanks man! I appreciate the feedback. Yes, plan on doing a 300 vs Freeride on here soon. I hear you, the 300 is a hard bike to beat at that price. Hope you have fun with the new Sur Rons.
Performance wise, maybe interesting. But really, if you’re interested in an electric bike a 2 stroke smoker is probably not on the radar. Not really comparable bikes. And lots of places don’t allow 2 strokes anymore.
@@mechanicalman1068 That's only a problem in CA. In Oregon, NV, UT, CO most people off-road are on two strokes. I own a YZ125, YZ250, Zero MX, & a Sur-Ron.
Thanks for sharing an objective comparison between two different class bikes. It was good to hear the pros n cons each way and where one is better over the other.
I’ve been thinking about getting an e-dirt bike but don’t know much about them or what’s available. To see comparisons like this is very helpful.
I come from a motox background but I’ve transitioned to MTB in later years just because there’s more places to ride a quite less destructive MTB where I live. I purchased a Beta trials bike thinking that might work but it’s still too noisey n a bit heavy. (Gates) I had heard Honda we’re looking into E-dirt bikes. Do you know anything about them??
@Cam Dunnage Hey Cam, thanks for the note and feedback. Always nice to hear that it was informative and helpful!
I understand your perspective completely, I ride a lot of MTB as well. Often times it is just easier to go ride MTB because of access and ease.
Honda does have the CR-E prototype but no signs that it will be in production soon. All the manufacturers are experimenting but if they enter this space at full capacity, they threaten cannibalizing their current gas lineup. I can verify that every major manufacturer bought an Alta and tore it apart for research. If that doesn't tell you something...
Have you tried an E-MTB yet?
Electric Cycle Rider yes I’ve been looking into E MTB also. Tossing up which way to go.
Theres a lot more selection for E MTB and there’re a lot easier to purchase over here. So that would possibly be my first option for getting out n about.
But I want to setup a small MX practice track out on the section and was thinking an E MX bike would be good. The noise won’t annoy neighbours
KTM E XE vs Cake Kalk
@styrr3 Good call. I can make that happen.
@@ElectricCycleRider
it would be interesting to see which one you like the most!
I got a Kuberg for My daughter, now I want a electric bike myself! I've been looking at the Cake Kalk, but there are not many videos on YT with the Kalk on a track like yours
Motorbike components are just heavier duty than mountain bike parts. You can just hit things harder with the extra quality even if the power outputs were concidered equal. But for my money the ktm .every time.
Please tell more about the trottle ! i have the Black adition bike and whant the electric trottle. Do you have a part nr or link??
@rene mogensen I am doing a giveaway on May 22 for 4 of these throttles. I do not know where you can buy them at the moment because Sur-Ron sent them to me directly to try out. Here is how you can win one this week:
ua-cam.com/video/Re91nLLYCo8/v-deo.html
Damm good review, seemingly unbiased, and addressed many questions
Great video 🔥🤙🏻.
And yes, please compare using an ASI Controller (with 72v).
@Voltagefrog Matthias Thank you! I hope to get my hands on one soon.
Definitely man You got to do a review on that it's a whole different beast with those mods. It should be nearly equivalent to the KTM but with a lot less weight.
This test was done some time ago. I'd like to see it done again and the Surron equipped with the x-9000 controller and a 72V battery. Or the KTM might be a closer match with the Ultra Bee which wasn't out at that time.
You were probably thinking about the price difference when your heart rate went up while riding the KTM. Haha!
@Dave Desmon 😂
Cake Kalk vs Freeride, I rode the Kalk OR and my Light Bee back to back and the Kalk definitely felt more powerful and bigger. I think the Kalk would be a good comparison to the Freeride. I've yet to ride the Freeride though. The Kalk weigh's 25lbs more than the Light Bee but it definitely more powerful, it doesn't "feel" as light as the Light Bee though.
I owned a sur-Ron and sold it because it’s way to small and feels like it would snap under nearneadth me. It can’t compete with a proper trail bike. Standard suspension bottomed out on the smallest of jumps and feels cheap compared to the KTM. My kids loved it though .
It's better suited for fast gnarly trails
Thank you for an excellent comparison. This is how it should be done.
I think this comparison would be more fair and interesting if the surron had the 72v battery and top end esc.
@CrazyMountainGoat I agree! Would love to try a 72v kit but I don't have one right now. Hopefully soon.
Nice ride love that track!
Ive got the kuberg freerider
with some mods its a beast
Try that If you can
@unbornreaper 1990 It's an awesome track for sure! Thanks for the comment. I hope to try a Kuberg out soon!
I'm very intrigued with the electric dirt bikes being an avid dirt bike rider for the majority of my adult life but how expensive they are just too much plus I'm a two-stroke man but I give it to them e-bikes seem fast
What was the remaining battery specs on both at the end of the rides?
@Robert Corser Great question and something I should have pointed out in the video. I'm glad to have viewers like you to keep me on my toes!
Both bikes were charged to 100% before the test. The Sur-Ron X had 32% battery after this test and the KTM Freeride E-XC had approximately 60% battery. This includes the 4 mile out and back to the track which includes, some hill climbs and rocky terrain. The range on the Sur-Ron is diminished when you ride it wide open, which is what happened here.
Flawless riding. What an exciting video. I’d like to ride through there on the Sur Ron at a leisurely pace and enjoy some scenery. My days of going fast at all are far behind me. Thanks for the video. I appreciate it. Have fun. Try to be safe👍🏻🇺🇸🤠
It looks fast on flat terrine , but you should try high up hills and you will find out than e bikes are not there yet. Love new technology but ebikes need some more tuning etc..
@djdario8309 I've done some hill climb videos you can watch where I directly talk about this. I live in Colorado and had to climb quite a few vertical feet to even get the bikes to this practice track. The Sur-Ron suffers on the hill climbs but KTM makes short work of them. If it's slow speed technical climbs, I want for a clutch to modulate power but if it's over 5MPH, the Freeride screams up it.
Wow, Sur-Ron was amazingly fast for what looks little more than a BMX on steroids; but surely, can't the mfr. come up with a better name? I'm a big KTM fan, have 3 of them in my garage and once I've grown tired of the 125XC I could well replace it with a Freeride. It seems VERY competent and, like someone here mentioned, less annoying for my neighbors.
thanks for the excellent video. how much battery capacity left on these bikes? would be great if you can test an Alta Redshift as well
Is Alta back in operation? I know Bombardier purchased parts of the company
@@Kickstart500
They won't be back, but there are approximately 1000 Altas out there
@Alta Redshift EX Thanks for the note! Both bikes were charged to 100% before the test. The Sur-Ron X had 32% battery after this test (including the out and back to the track) and the KTM Freeride E-XC had approximately 60% battery. The range is diminished when you ride the Sur-Ron hard, which is what happened here.
As for the Alta Redshift, I do have access to one and will be putting it up against the KTM Freeride E-XC soon!
@@ElectricCycleRider
That's great news and excellent information.
I ride an Alta, and find your videos very useful.
@Alta Redshift EX Awesome! Yea the Alta bikes are great. Such a blast. Glad to hear you dig the videos!
Love the videos. I was hoping you could help? I ride a 2001 cr250r and a 2020 ktm 250xcw. Looking for something to play around the neighborhood and take to the trails. My problem, I'm 6'4 and 180lbs. Would you go with the ktm or cake? Have you tried the electric motion escape? Didnt see in your videos. Amy feedback would be greatly appreciated.
I've seriously considered buying one, but right now the ability of E-Bikes occupy this middle ground, where it can't replace my mountain bike because exercise is a big part of that, and for my motorbike trail riding none of them could handle the distances and terrain.
It is interesting how a mountain bike based E-Dirt Bike that costs around 4k can even hang in the remote area hot lap wise as a 13k full on electric Enduro machine. I have been looking at a bunch of different E-Dirt machines and one that really peaks my interest simply because of the way it is built and the price of ownership is the Veli Moto VMX 12. It is also available as Time ET moto, and the Nicot Moto. It is roughly the same price as the Sur Ron X Black Edition and puts out 12KW through a 4 speed transmission.
They claim a top speed of 70 mph and roughly between 50 and 100km of range depending how hard you are running it. It would be interesting to see how it fairs in a hot lap shoot out. The suspension is going to be its greatest handicap as it is not a linkeage style rear swingarm but rather more like the older pitbike rear suspension or more comparable to the KLX 110 rear A-frame swing arm and shock. I have seen videos of it on you tube dog walking the Sur Ron x in a stock format. However, I have seen Sur Rons with about 3k worth of battery and controller upgrades raise hell with CRF 250Rs so I guess it is all about how much you want to pay to play. Anyway great video and for me if you are not a privateer racer the Sur Ron X is a economical way to play offroad and not be obnoxious.
Wow awesome comparo mate I'd have to say at 1st glance you look way more at home on the KTM overall the KTM is definitely a winner in my books I'm sure both bikes have their advantages the Suron looks more like a MTB than a Moto
@Thumpermad For sure! I do like the KTM Freeride most. 👍
Thanks for the video. I really want to buy a Freeride. The dealer says he has a adapter that will plug into the euro 230 volt charger and my 240 volt dryer outlet. That's great, but when I asked him if putting the higher voltage into the charger and battery would do any harm, he couldn't answer me. If anyone knows please help.
I have both, I put 2K into the Sur Ron, and its every bit as fast as the KTM now. I'm all in on the Sur Ron for 5900, 11K on the KTM. Value is with the Sur Ron all day long. We have a Lite Speed Big Power Battery, MX Wheels, New Seat, Bars, Brakes, Pegs, Fenders. If your thinking of getting into electric off road, the Sur Ron is by FAR the better value, and the aftermarket support blows away the KTM
If we talks about amature riding. 13sec doesnt matter. Price does 😜
I was thinking that.... wonder what the 3600 dollar one is like haha
@Phil New It's more than the 13 second time difference. That 13 seconds is reflecting power, comfort, stability and ergonomics.
Might think about it when solid state batteries are perfected, until then, just not enough distance for trail exploration
im sick of seeing youtube videos with a 72v bac8000 on the street i would love to see them off road with a comparison video like this especially that you can push the sur ron past 20kw essentially higher power than the ktm at half the weight you already a lot of mechanical upgrades to allow it too
Look at Jo&Will or Riding Buzut channel they tested several brands
Nice video! Not sure i totally agree with your comments about the rear brake re needing all your weight on the rear (foot brake), since 70% at least of your stopping force would come from the front brake anyway and what do you use for that...1 or 2 fingers max?
I think on the Surron it would feel more natural to use the rear hand brake as its more like a MTB on steroids, where as the E KTM would feel more like a normal dirt bike, and we are all used to the foot brake riding dirt bikes! I think once you got used to a LH rear brake it would/should be better. Once again great vid.
@FMOB Fire Men On Bikes Thanks for the note! Yes, I've been riding these bikes with left hand rear brakes for quite a while now and agree, it is easier to stop the Sur-Ron with that brake largely because the bike weighs 120 pounds. The front brake on the Freeride works very well and as you would expect it to. The rear brake has a different characteristic and does not have the same effortless front brake pull. It's the same reason Alta put a rear foot brake on and not a hand brake.
Off the top of my head, don’t recall if rear brake usually runs a smaller master cylinder than the front. If they’re using a standard/smaller size cylinder for the rear, maybe that’s the issue?
How many miles per charge do both bikes get separately ?
I've never ridden either but I can tell just by how you look on the Suron vs KTM this is basically comparing a mtn bike tinker toy to a Real Dirt Bike. Not taking away from the Suron, they just are two total different machines.
Fantastic motors,, I've an e bike and love I so much 👍😊
I love my Sur Ron and KTM Freeride. This guy in a video is trying to compare a DIY enduro with a HUB motor to a Sur Ron. ua-cam.com/video/G2YyKXYTUYw/v-deo.html I tried to explain to him that they are 2 different machines. No way I would take a DIY enduro with a hub motor and rip it hard like MY Sur Ron it would fall apart or destroy the heavy hub motor plus the balance is way off. Some people just can't handle how awesome the Sur Ron is for the money. lol. You should contact ERT Electric Race Technologies to see if they would let you review the plug and play BAC 8000 on your Sur Ron. 11Kw's of power and only $900 dollars for the upgrade. It was well worth it. The torque and top speed are insane now 60+ mph. No change in weight.
Awesome video and riding btw, you're ripping it! Keep posting! Subscribed!
Seen their videos. Gnarly. Outperform the KTM for half the cash
That looked really fast 👀
Nice work, really good video. I am planning to buy Sur Ron but i have doubt about battery temperature as we all ride dirt bike to their limits so this electric version batteries will heat up a lot, its a most important critical factor but no video shows what exactly temperature behaviour of sur ron batteries in field, can you guyz show us, it would be so exciting to watch temperature behaviour of Sur Ron battery in action.
That was pretty awesome. Heaps of physical effort for a test well done.
Hey Tucker can you compare the CZEM Drill one to the KTM freeride E-XC I'm looking at both bike to buy and would like to see your results on the testing head to head. Thanks
I have a question, can you make this KTM supermoto style and street legal or something? Nice riding btw 🤘🏻
That ktm looks like a wheelie beast!
This guy was extremely Calm and well Spoken while Racing at Death Speeds!
The surrons junk compared to the Ktm.
Wish I had enough for this one but I only have enough for the Segway x160
250 pounds pretty hefty definitely looks fun probably quicker than my crf450r and much quieter
Man these electric bikes and motorcycles have come a long way they are so awesome I wish I knew somebody had a lot of money or was rich that would buy me one of these because this is the only way I've ever get one way too expensive but still awesome
I have a SurRon with a 54T, 8000 Controller and LiteSpeeds 74v big power battery. I can easily out run 250s and hang with 450s in the woods. I was able to sell the stock parts, so I'm into it for thousands less than the KTM. I prefer how light the SurRon is in the woods.Buy a SurRon and spend 2k making it what you want.
How much speed and power does the 74v alone give?
@@curiousjoe2410 You need the controller, I don't think the stock controller will allow the 74v. Mine hits 68-70 on the bigger sprocket. I could get 80+ on the stock gears. On a moto cross track, 250s would over power me, but on trails, 2 tracks, my TQ advantage is HUGE. It wheelies on command thru 35mph. Theres a BAC 4000 controller and smallest 74v battery out there that will also greatly improve the bike even cheaper. I have larger mAh and amp capacity specifically so I can race it.
Social Garage thanks for your answer. There is no other issues regarding the bike when releasing all added rpm, speed and power? The surron handles this without issues?
Please compare the KTM E to a Zero FX.
Did you take note of the power consumption between the two? Would love to know which bike lasts longer on the trails.
power consumption is x2 for the ktm bike, however it has a battery twice the size of a sur-ron.. the beauty is you can buy a battery that's 25% bigger then the KTM's pack and put it into the sur-ron for about 2k more..
The diff in power was noticeable in that on the KTM's second lap you could see that the course was getting roosted up. I didn't hear a comment about the weight difference while riding but I thought he said the KTM was as heavy as a real Thumper or even heavier and double the weight of the Surron. Surprised there was only a 13 sec diff on the respective quickest laps, given the performance difference.
I have a Sur-Ron and an Alta. Would love to see how the freeride E does on my hard single track. Any chance you want to ride my place? 7 miles of track on my property on Storm Mountain above Drake.
@Kenneth Hitch Right on! A friend of mine lives up in Drake, he's taken me out on some of the Storm singletrack up there. Hope you guys are ok after the fires. Shoot me an email and hopefully we can ride sometime. electriccyclerider@gmail.com
@@ElectricCycleRider My home survived. The trail system and the single track did not. We hiked and cleared 5 miles of it the other day. We plan to knock out the rest (including Donor Pass) with saws on our bikes in the spring.
Most your braking comes from the front brake. The front brake is actuated by your hand...
Rear foot brakes are only for when the clutch takes up that space.
Interesting comparison. If you’re looking for speed the Freeride seems the clear winner. It’s 2.3x the cost but you’d spend that much getting the Sur-Ron close to its stock pace.
But if ultimate speed isn’t the goal, the Sur-Ron seems a good choice. Have you done a battery comparison? How long does the Sur-Ron last? That’s my biggest concern. Then I also wish they’d redo the rear swing arm to fit a 16” rear tire instead of the 19” front tire they are using stock. It probably eats through front tires on the rear and is giving up traction and puncture resistance.
I have the segway x260 which is the clone of the sur ron and the company claims like 60-75 miles of range but I can’t typically do about 25-30 miles of hard riding and I’m down to 10% battery. I’m usually toast by then so it’s perfect. In terms of speed, the Surron will hit 50 on flat road and 45 up a hill so it’s no slouch in the speed department
Get a new controller for your sur ron and it would be close
@mav5204 For sure, I'd like to test one.
You know like 75-90% of your stopping power comes from the front brake right? And of course those are all hand operated. You should be able to lock up your rear brake no problem with two fingers. If not you may need to check your bleed.
@Sam Toshner I've been riding dirt bikes for almost 30 years. Respectfully, I am very familiar with how brakes should feel and how to use them. Yes, the front brake on this bike stops very well and as you would expect. If you've ridden this bike, you'll realize that the rear pull does not react the same way as the front and requires a stronger pull.
Hi there...
can you still drive those bikes in the rain?
yes absolutely, but the sur ron wiring is shit, will corrode at one point
Like to see these tested on a stadium supercross track.
Both great bikes , considering they are E bikes.... good riding as well!
Man, you've got balls to run so hot on that track. I'm currently building a Stealth Bomber frame e-bike and it's about the same weight and look as the Sur Ron, has a noseless Schwinn seat, the mid-drive motor is the Luna Cycle Cyclone 3D 3000watt with the standard sine wave controller, the battery I'm building is a 72Volt 40 AH battery made from LifePO4 32650's @ 3.2V 6amp, should be able to get around 45MPH, but watching you go around that track, I'm wondering if I'm ever going to get that fast. Maybe if I had some long level stretches with no turns, but at 64 years old, I don't think my reflexes are going to be up to running like you did. Hats off to yuh! It was a lot of fun, just watching you. I think my heart rate got higher when you ran the E-XC! 🖖😎
Do you have a video comparing the total costs...to include your final customization/wants? Make sense? 😄💪👍
@Robert Corser Another great idea! If I ever get a 72v battery/controller to compare with, it will warrant a cost comparison video for sure.
MSRP + modifications as the bikes were in this video would be in this ballpark:
Sur-Ron : $6,000 Approximately
KTM: $11,000 Approximately
If you added a controller/battery and some other suspension upgrades to the Sur-Ron, you'd be getting dangerously close to the cost of a KTM or a Cake Kalk.
I know they are both faster than my skills. If I tried to be as fast I would wrap myself around a tree.
Great video, very good info, but you omitted one key point of information - the battery size and usage! The KTM has more than double the battery capacity of the Sur-ron! (1.8kWh vs 3.9). So how much juice was left in the bikes after you'd done the 5 laps?! Not much in the Sur-ron, I suspect!
@PNB London Thanks and fair points! It's been far too long for me to remember at this point but they are generally very close in battery usage and range. The KTM edges it out a little bit but not a ton. 👍
I can see the lack of the rear foot brake would be troublesome for experience motorscooter riders but I think mtn bike guys would be fine.
are electric dirtbikes basically the same as electric bicycles?
and if so would that make them street legal?
class mate, wish i cud get my hands on a sur ron all sold out! lol.. beasts matey
Nice track man. That's a peddle bike against a big time dirt bike maker. Holy shit.. very cool.
Thanks for the review. I was wondering the the experience differs between these two.