Have you also considered sprouting seeds indoors, ie. alfalfa, clover, radish, sunflower, buckwheat, etc? They are extremely nutrient dense and especially welcome in the colder months of the year.
Yes, it's a great point. The homes here are undergoing different stages of renovation, and one of the focal points will have a large apothecary (right now all my herbs are in various jars all over the house and would love to see them all in plain sight in one place) and large kitchen prep area and root cellar to do all sorts of kitchen witchin', including some seed sprouting. We can do it now too since it takes up minimal space, but just like making tinctures, I have to get into that minds pace and right now, it's a lot of shuffling around with the renos. We'll get there though! One day!
@@FlockFingerLakes rather than the standard hoop house consider: 1. A Walipini 2. Possible cost saving modification if walipini is to not dig down as much but raise living soil up. À woodchip heat battery around the perimeter will heat it, 3 by 3 foot block minimum. I would out a rabbit habitat above it, as their urine will activate the woodchip block. In the summer it converts to cooling simply by allowing it to dry, and shade it with aluminex It’s relative to region as this is a naturally fueled climate control system, so I would prototype a small version where you anticipate building. I would also use bamboo and greenhouse plastic, for cost. You can make your own version of a Chinese greenhouse blanket for added heat preservation in winter
I totally agree with your framework, I live in a city just north of you (Montreal) and the prices of berries in particular justifies growing them. I have grown currants and raspberries on a balcony, and currently have blueberries, currants, gooseberries and raspberries in a community garden space. I also find tomatoes are high-yield and fairly minimal effort, yet still expensive at market, so even though they're annual plants, they are worth it to me. And again, those can be grown in such small spaces, too! I love seeing how your land is coming together and hope someday to have a piece of land to work with, too.
My grandmother had the canning closet. We worked all summer to fill this and freezers. It does make it real. We also sold produce door to door for State fair money. Feels like a dream compared to now. Which kids can't even fathom. Good luck and growing.
I'm loving your channel... you give me so many ideas, even though I'm in a different zone, the BC west coast (9a) and don't even have a full acre of land. We have plum trees, blackberries, apple trees, potatoes (we used to layer compost in our lasagna garden beds when we were building our soil so they come up annually now), rhubarb... This year we put in zukes and sugar snap peas (same reasoning as just that we like to eat them). I have a huge herb border and grow the ones I use most on my patio next to my kitchen. I'm going to start working on getting more berries in the garden. I've also spent a few years adding more and more wildflowers for pollinators, and I have a couple railing boxes that I fill with flowers and the hummingbirds love them.
I’m in Pacific Northwest of Canada. Experienced a “Heat Dome” last summer (44-49*C!!) Winter brought record amounts of rain in “Atmospheric Rivers.” I’ve been learning about foraging and allowing native edibles to be rampant (dandelions eg). I’ve been adding perennial edibles: Arugula, Kale, 9-Srar Broccoli, Parsely, black currants, blueberries, and also medicinal plants. I dry my own herbs for food and teas. Everything helps - even an empty soil bag planted with potatoes, or parsley or sunchokes! Love your videos! Thank you!
Great video! This is the conversation everyone needs to be having right now, but not enough people are. I really appreciate your content and I'm very much looking forward to updates. I'm working on all this stuff right now too, and I learn a lot from you. Thank you!! In NS, Canada.
You don't need the music in the background, soft but present through the headphones. Honestly, I couldn't take a "apocalypse" lens on any of this. It will skew your head and prevent rational decision making. Do all thisbecause you love it, and for the learning, not out of fear or 'prepping'. You will inspire a wider group of viewers if you are not speaking from a bunker.
For raspberries, I’d suggest golden raspberry. We have them growing in Central NY (Utica/Rome area) northeast of you, and not only do they thrive in full sun, they produce TWO crops. One in the summer, and a second that runs until the frost kills them. The berries are delicious and sweet-even before peak ripeness, so there’s no risk of picking them too soon. If you can pry them off the bush, they’re immediately good to eat. Red raspberry is tart until it’s peak ripeness, when it’s at risk of falling off the bush (I have wild raspberry, too). If you’re ever up in the area, I’d gladly give you a bush. I have many-all from a single plant! Best!
I pretty much use the same lenses, but I add growing space - I have a small village lot (same county as you) and some things just take up too much room relative to their food value. Large nut trees would be lovely, but most of my property would be dominated by their shade.
Yes, that's a very good point. I was very space constrained as well in the city, but even on a larger acreage, areas can be very space constraining, even depending on how you want to utilize the land.
Love your ideas and plans!. Especially like the idea of your growing raspberries as they are so expensive and don't travel well (maybe that's why they're pricey!). The delicate flavour and texture is something really special. Would also love to see Flock have a 'tomato house' in place for next Spring. There are so many exceptional heritage varieties out there that are bursting with flavour and have fascinating colour variations and shapes ~ for salads and sauces etc.
Am proud of you guys and wish you well, with your food project. That is fantastic. Who will help you, if you have a huge harvest? Do you grow lettuce, potatoes or sweet potatoes? Can't wait to see your Gazebo design, path to it, and the surrounding garden area later. Great video. Was nice seeing you again.
I keep telling people (in articles & in person) that you don't have to like gardening to grow food. What you have to like is being responsible about helping yourself & saving money. If that doesn't make a person plant a bucket or laundry hamper with a few potatoes to grow down, a cucumber & tomato to grow up & a bunch of beans or peas to top off the container, what will?
Hi I’m am so proud of what you are doing ! I just started a raised bed and I had no idea that there are perennial and annual fruits and vegetables . Although I am part of the plant community I’m new to the growing food process . This is major because the world we live in now , it’s hard to say what will happen with our food supply . As well as our environment . I wish you all well . What you are doing is amazing , and so very important ! Thank you for sharing !
I did a PermaCulture course as well and agree with the food forest idea. I also can't believe the prices of food: leeks. Why would 2 leeks be over $5?? So, for your food cellar/cold storage, besides the fruits also Brassicas and alliums. I was listening to Dr. Berg talk about probiotics because serotonin is 99.99% made by gut flora. His suggestion was eat fresh veggies but also fermented foods; so, sauerkraut, pickles, and just ferment everything! Good job. Is there going to be an outside run for the chickens...?? Can't wait to hear how it's going. Thanks for sharing.
Finding wild currants around your orchard area is such a blessing. I’m not sure if it’s as big of a factor for you in your climate, but the blue orchard mason bee loves Apple and currant/gooseberry blossoms. I read a study that stated the researchers dissected the pollen provisions found in their overwintering locations, with the highest content of pollen coming from the Apple with second place being the Ribes clan! Wonderful pairing by nature!
Currently expanding my Perennial patch by 760 sq ft I am planning on planting additional Hazelnuts and adding Blue berries and razzberries. I am preparing the bed now and will cover with woodchips next week. I was trying to do this earlier this past spring but I had difficulty sourcing the chips... I am hoping its not to late... (I am in central NY)
A wide brimmed sun hat might be a good idea for you, Summer! The overexposure to sun is showing! I don't think it possible to produce ALL one's food but..... There's the food we currently eat, and then there's the food that we would eat if it was available. Any crops in your current diet that you can't grow, look for alternatives that you can grow. Then there's the crops we don't know if we like just because we've never tried them! Variety can be found by experimenting with a few new crops every year.
I enjoyed your comments about shifting priorities on your project list, in our dynamic world. I think I remember an episode you did in the winter, talking about your project list. I'll have to find that one again.
Hi Summer, your channel is very inspiring! What I am wondering, will you work mainly with dwarf rooting fruit trees in your design or also with tall stem fruit trees? I really liked the mushroom story seems very interesting for me to follow. I am a landscape architect by training and became inspired by permaculture & agroforestry 4 years ago, through my visit to 'La Ferme du Bec Hellouin' in France. For me they remain the example of how function & aesthetics can be combined, do you know them? We follow a bit of the same path as you, but on a much smaller scale (1 acre). I am experimenting with the 'verger-maraîcher' system. Looks promising for now. Greetings from Belgium! ps. Ik spreek ook Nederlands Sander ;)
Hi Nicolas, thanks for sharing your journey and for pointing out La Ferme Bec Hellouin. We'll have to look them up. The market garden system in France, as well, is of interest. In regards to your question: the fruit trees in the "orchard area" we've planted semi-dwarf and dwarf varieties for two reasons: firstly ease of access to the fruit and secondly to not block the view, which we have one in that area. We also took care not to plant any high trees next to the tree swallow / purple martin box because they prefer to be far enough from tall trees. But as soon as we venture out of the orchard area, we're open to standards or if we are looking for shorter trees, are choosing fruit or nut-bearing trees that naturally would naturally be shorter in stature given that they are more understory trees or shrubs, like Amelanchier, Corylus, Viburnum, Myrica, etc. Thanks for asking.
"Given the more global, out-of-control issues that nearly everyone faces, including food shortages, price increases, and a devalued dollar..." That really isn't a good basis for a rational, long term community plan. Forget all that - do what you love, what will give you learning and pleasure for decades to come.
Good thing we love it too. As shared, food production was on the plan, but might as well get it in sooner rather than later given the current trajectory...
What's happening in the Netherlands? I'm in the Netherlands and it was just some farmers protests (100% justified). They blocked some distribution centers which caused no major issues as far as I saw. Anyway chickens are the easiest way to save money and have food security. Eggs every day for chickenfeed. As dense a food as you can get and you can pickle them too. Also you want to get some anyway so maybe move them up the agenda. A root cellar might be put to better use as a mushroom growth/production room. Nice episode!
@@aldas3831 that was about more rules for the farmers, mostly about the amount of gasses they produce. And if you ask me that are mostly meat farmers. So much farmers have cow's for meat or milk and land for the food for the cow's and they the pig farmers. And I can tell you that most of the meat that is produced here goes elsewhere. Where a small country like a poststamp can be producing big. Also with tomatos, bell peppers, cucumbers. I dont eat meat anymore so my food is mostly veggies, fruit and rice/pasta
We're referring to the agricultural cutbacks in the Netherlands and the farmer uprising on the seizure of land, which seems to be a contentious issue within the country. Some here link it to greater geo-political takeover of farmland. Some see it strictly as environmental regulation with no larger motivation than that. Hard to know. We chatted with folks there (Sander is Dutch and from the Netherlands so he has family and friends there) and it seems to be not as important to people who do not farm or know farmers personally.
You mentioned the lense "what is already expensive" i wanted to comment this and then you mentioned it :D Berries i always find so expensive and they often come from very far, although most of them are native to Europe, we import them from other continents which I find crazy. So that is also a lense that I find important. And also all the plastic you spare if you grow your own food. I know in the US it's even worse with the packaging.
And: is the plant resilient, like is it susceptible to insects or to birds or fungus etc. Blueberries are great, we also have Aronia berries but they are not tasty and the birds take them away before you can pick them for example. The same for cherries.
How do you plan to manage the berries area? My parents have a small patch in their garden that hasn/t been managed nor kept in rows/man-made structure. I noticed some losses in productivity. Do you have any plans to avoid such future issues? Also, I assume that once the area becomes fully grown it might be less easily - accessible. Thanks for taking time to answer!
Growing food is awesome but many people live in cities or urban areas where they don't have access to land or plots and cities should start using vacant and repossessed property for urban garden allotments. I know, yes some cities do but that needs to be a national mandate or goal for every city. And even setting up an office of urban gardening as some cities do to search out and find vacant and unused land and turn them into community food gardens.
Stone beds will hold the heat.... Nice ideas....with ur snow load... BEWARE of types hoop/ greenhouses ..... Yes best from own garden... I grewup in Hudson Valley n miss the area...
Thanks for your concern! When it's really bright out, we use a filter on the camera and when the sun is out, it turns skin red and I haven't been able to figure out how to "fix" the skin tone in post production. You're not the first person to mention it. You'll notice when the sun goes down, the skin "reddens" less in the filter. It's really annoying. I'm nice and tan and wear my sunscreen and hat daily. One of the 3 things my mother always reminded me to do!
That’s what I’ve been saying to planters. I wish you guys knew what’s the plant industry were doing. They want everybody to plant collectable house plants. They were leading everybody away from food production. I’ve been warning planters to grow food. Glad you cover this topic now.
We have to remember, however, that not everyone has an adequate place to grow food. 83% of the US live in urban centers-most without any land to plant on. If they are lucky, they may have a patio or (illegal) fire escape space. When living in a city apartment full-time, I experimented with microgreens, potatoes, and herbs, but there's only so much you can grow. Even my plot at the community garden was severely compromised due to the fact that it was directly under a black locust tree, so only was shaded for the better part of the day. Growing tropicals indoors serves as an opportunity to grow plants year-round for folks who want that little bit of green or who enjoy growing plants, but may not have the opportunity (or the space) to grow food. For many, it's their gateway entry point to plants in general...and can be encouraging to someone who wants to eventually get into growing edible plants when / if they have adequate space.
@@FlockFingerLakes True! I’m talking about those people that are able to do it. With big space and lands. I have friends at upstate NY they grow corns. But I understand your goals is not food production. I can see that due to location, which is understandable, but times like this, you have to lead the way and use your content to encourage people that there’s a way. I can see you guys great potential. You’ve done a lot of research and great amount of brain storming. I have no doubt that you guys can pull it off. I support your content. Very inspiring. You can inspire more people to be self reliant. Thank you for your time and loving Mother Earth.
We actually just went over to our friend's house and they had a cultivated variety of black currant (not sure what kind), but it was more delicious eaten fresh. We're inclined to get a cutting of that one! Thanks in regards to the tip of eating them dried.
Hola 👋. The beetroot overcoming the winter perfectly. Using only the leaves for salads or cooked … 😋 we keep this vegetal all year long. Said that it’s nutritious like spinach. Bests wishes in all your journey. 💚
Доброго дня! Мені буде цікаво спостерігати за вами, як ви вирощуєте овочі і фрукти. Я з України. Хочу сказати, що в моїй країні завжди всі люди були налаштовані мати дачі і городи, щоб там вирощувати якісь овочі, і мати фруктові дерева. Так повелось ще з часів СРСР, коли в країні все було в дефіциті. Коли навіть , щоб купити 200 г вершкового масла треба було відстояти 1,5 - 2 години в черзі. Пізніше, уже в Україні дефіцит зник, але ж ціни не завжди всіх влаштовували, та і тепличні овочі поступаються якістю тим, що вирощені власноруч. Своє завжди смачніше! На жаль сьогодні Україну постійно обстрілюють російські окупаційні війська, а схід і південь взагалі сьогодні зайнятий рашистами. Тому в таких умовах важко господарювати. В інших областях, де тільки обстріли, між сиренами, люди господарюють на своїй землі. Ми намагаємось вирощувати все, як було раніше. Хоча ніхто не знає, що буде завтра. Росіяни вже знищили зерносховища, ферми і запаси пального, але ми віримо, що переможемо. Ми на своїй землі, ми хочемо миру в своїй країні. Наша країна - вільна країна, яка не бажає путінського режиму, а народ в Україні намагається будувати демократичну державу.
Thank you for sharing us firsthand experience. We're really hoping that the conflict in the Ukraine resolves and people are able to get back to their lives without the fear that people are experiencing every day.
You have done so well! I can't agree more about the rewards of growing our own food. Hopefully we will have water in drought states like CA into the future, which among many worries is one of those 'shit hitting the fan' scenarios...soon if not already. I'm trying to grow as much as I can (cucumbers, tomatoes, bell peppers and green beans) during these years before things get even worse. If I could only be self-sustainable somewhere!
Interested to see how your blueberries turn out! I’ve failed blueberry bushes twice. I think bc we planted it near cedar, which inhibits growth. I gave some bushes to my sister & her family reported back that the birds kept getting to the berries before they could 😫 Also would be interested to learn more about your mushrooms! Ours haven’t come back & idk why 🥺 Tempted to try yellow oysters next though.
The leaves of our blueberries this year (and some of the lignonberries-though not all) really got attacked by the spongy moths. They are starting to come back. We just went over to our friend's house and they have beautiful blubes that they put in a few seasons ago and they look GREAT but they said keeping the crows off of them has been tough! We hope that when Joey comes to town, he'll be the mushroom grower here. He expressed interest in it, so it'll be nice to see him possibly take the lead on it. Will be nice to have an extra pair of hands on that project. We are so focused on other projects, like the renovation, that we just didn't go out back as much as we should have been to do all the collecting we probably should have been of the Stropharia.
Watch your stone crop fruit trees for the fruit tree borer. I’ve lost cherry trees and peach trees to the borers. My brain isn’t working yet, I haven’t had any coffee and I just woke up, but do some research on the stone crop fruit tree borers. I thought my trees were doing fine until they weren’t anymore. I live in Michigan so I’m thinking since we’re not THAT far away from each other you may have the nasty little rascals in your area as well. It’s really a shame when your waiting for your trees to get old enough to produce more than a few peaches or cherries and they succumb to the borers. Please take a look at how they attack your trees? 🌸💚🙃 Also I don’t know about your rabbit pressures but we have generational rabbits on our land and I’ve also lost fruit trees to them. They like to girdle the fruit trees in the winter months, I would get some hardware cloth around the trunks of your trees at least. I’ve learned that when the trees are small it’s better to put hardware cloth around the whole tree and not just the trunk area, because wherever they girdle the tree the tree will die whether it’s at the base or up the trunk a few feet. Just a thought. Maybe you don’t have the rabbit pressure we do. Good luck!🌸💚🙃
Thanks Judy, very good to get your words of caution and your experience. We hadn't seen much rabbit pressure here but you never know. We haven't been here for even 2 years yet so sometimes you get those animal explosion years where all of a sudden, there are LOTS of bunnies, for instance. We've started to create more and more fences but in the meantime, wrap our trees. we noticed on one of our weeping varieties, someone tore into the bark. Still uncertain who did it, but we're hoping it persists and thrives.
you must try josta berry which is a cross between gooseberry and blueberry grows about 4' x 4' fruit is prolific and really easy to take cuttings does not need acid soil. another one well worth grow is physalis, cape gooseberry/ likes it hot grows about 4' x 4' fruit grows inside a paper husk which protects it from the bugs i love it it tastes like a sour pineapple. it is bright orange yellowwhen ripe and is clearly visible when ripe
Edible Acres utube located near finger lakes NY near you . Shows how to plant garlic around base of new tree sprouts to protect from rodents/ pest..... Best wishes, do love ur tours...for viewer. Learn about mushrooms !!! Not all good to eat !!!..
One consumable I enjoy is home brewed kombucha. I'm in the process of adding the fruits and berries I need to flavor it with but this video got me thinking about the tea itself. I've just done the research and realized I can grow the tea plant too! (Zone 7 in the Pacific NW). Once again you've given us valuable food for thought! Thanks!
plant some cherry trees - fruit and nut trees are probably best roi w/o a doubt...think about growing some grains - watch out for the ergot, jokes aside great content - try to do some moonshot ideas and experiments - if you stay determined all the effort will add up
Everything you are talking about is fine and very clever for long long time perspective, but for right here and now, You should plant som perennial greens, like kale, spinach, artichoke, sun choke, potatoes ( leave som in every year and it’s like forever coming back potatoes) and I’m sure there are much more perennial vegetables out there but here is mention some few you can harvest from now and further out in the future…
@@WyrdHag i live in cold area. Denmark and I dont always get every potato and next year I find it out when they start to sprout, so yes you can leave som small/baby potatoes in and the will grow!
The World Health Organization (WHO) is the worldwide agency which can both declare the beginnings and endings of pandemic. They haven’t and forecasts from leading universities are many months to years yet. It ain’t over until it’s overs the USA currently has over 125k daily new infections through laboratories and an estimated 5 to 8x in new positive home tests which are not reported to states or federal government.
We're referring to the agricultural cutbacks in the Netherlands and the farmer uprising on the seizure of land, which seems to be a contentious issue within the country.
@@FlockFingerLakes Sorry to say this again, but it is not a seizure of land. It is about reducing the number of animals (mainly cattle) to reduce ammonia emissions, because those are really high here and they contribute to global warming and reduce biodiversity. Really, not trying to make a political statement here, but it is quite harmful to environmentalists, trust in the (currenly right-wing) government and to the farmers to keep speading the news that the Dutch government "just wants to take the land away from the farmers". If people would adopt a more plant-based diet (perhaps as a result of an environmental tax on meat or subsidised vegetables (I mean, flying is subsidised...)), we would end up with more food instead of less.
I'd love to find some cloudberry plants. Hard to find. Pomegranate wouldn't work unfortunately in my climate: Zone 5/6. We would near a year-round greenhouse for those.
We definitely are in the market for one but still want to list out all the use cases so we get the right one for us. It's overdue though! I think once we get past the major renovations, we'll have more bandwidth to focus on tractor investment.
Keep a eye on USA drought. Here in the Midwest we are tracking 2012 perfectly sadly. Texas is worse. If crop stress results inflation could stay 6% for 2022. Just posted a 9% for June. FOMC will keep raising rates. Which is stressing everyone and everything. You all are so young. I grow up in the 1970s last time inflation was this high. My parents would have enough money to go the month. But by next 1st of the next month they would be in the hole... people have had so much extra cash. Inflation cause really bad mental survival stuff. Like money money in the bank.. no spending for anything but survival
Self help for family in my area thru smart hard work: ua-cam.com/video/5EJKKD8XphA/v-deo.html Growing food is the crucial part of land ownership so that the really truly poor people do not have to compete with wealthy people (say earning over $35 grand a year from non farming careers) for the purchase of groceries. When land is not utilized well, as much as we love eye-candy on our properties, it affects people we do not even know. That is how the economy works. Such as a handyman I hire who is challenged & lives a self-sustaining life by need, and then struggles w. things like amaranth seeds that blow in & try to choke out his land for food production. I had all of my gardens ruined by horsetail fern which came in & loved all the mulch I had got. Roundup is too expensive to use so extensively so I just had to give up most of my 7 large beds and the entire huge veg garden. A few berry bushes still struggle...and of course mint.
Have you also considered sprouting seeds indoors, ie. alfalfa, clover, radish, sunflower, buckwheat, etc? They are extremely nutrient dense and especially welcome in the colder months of the year.
There are no calories in green leaves. They're more like supplements than food.
Yes, it's a great point. The homes here are undergoing different stages of renovation, and one of the focal points will have a large apothecary (right now all my herbs are in various jars all over the house and would love to see them all in plain sight in one place) and large kitchen prep area and root cellar to do all sorts of kitchen witchin', including some seed sprouting. We can do it now too since it takes up minimal space, but just like making tinctures, I have to get into that minds pace and right now, it's a lot of shuffling around with the renos. We'll get there though! One day!
@@FlockFingerLakes rather than the standard hoop house consider:
1. A Walipini
2. Possible cost saving modification if walipini is to not dig down as much but raise living soil up. À woodchip heat battery around the perimeter will heat it, 3 by 3 foot block minimum. I would out a rabbit habitat above it, as their urine will activate the woodchip block.
In the summer it converts to cooling simply by allowing it to dry, and shade it with aluminex
It’s relative to region as this is a naturally fueled climate control system, so I would prototype a small version where you anticipate building. I would also use bamboo and greenhouse plastic, for cost.
You can make your own version of a Chinese greenhouse blanket for added heat preservation in winter
I totally agree with your framework, I live in a city just north of you (Montreal) and the prices of berries in particular justifies growing them. I have grown currants and raspberries on a balcony, and currently have blueberries, currants, gooseberries and raspberries in a community garden space. I also find tomatoes are high-yield and fairly minimal effort, yet still expensive at market, so even though they're annual plants, they are worth it to me. And again, those can be grown in such small spaces, too! I love seeing how your land is coming together and hope someday to have a piece of land to work with, too.
My grandmother had the canning closet. We worked all summer to fill this and freezers. It does make it real. We also sold produce door to door for State fair money. Feels like a dream compared to now. Which kids can't even fathom. Good luck and growing.
I'm loving your channel... you give me so many ideas, even though I'm in a different zone, the BC west coast (9a) and don't even have a full acre of land. We have plum trees, blackberries, apple trees, potatoes (we used to layer compost in our lasagna garden beds when we were building our soil so they come up annually now), rhubarb... This year we put in zukes and sugar snap peas (same reasoning as just that we like to eat them). I have a huge herb border and grow the ones I use most on my patio next to my kitchen. I'm going to start working on getting more berries in the garden. I've also spent a few years adding more and more wildflowers for pollinators, and I have a couple railing boxes that I fill with flowers and the hummingbirds love them.
I’m in Pacific Northwest of Canada. Experienced a “Heat Dome” last summer (44-49*C!!) Winter brought record amounts of rain in “Atmospheric Rivers.” I’ve been learning about foraging and allowing native edibles to be rampant (dandelions eg). I’ve been adding perennial edibles: Arugula, Kale, 9-Srar Broccoli, Parsely, black currants, blueberries, and also medicinal plants. I dry my own herbs for food and teas. Everything helps - even an empty soil bag planted with potatoes, or parsley or sunchokes! Love your videos! Thank you!
Great video! This is the conversation everyone needs to be having right now, but not enough people are. I really appreciate your content and I'm very much looking forward to updates. I'm working on all this stuff right now too, and I learn a lot from you. Thank you!! In NS, Canada.
Never enough time but you three have made major accomplishments.‼️
You don't need the music in the background, soft but present through the headphones. Honestly, I couldn't take a "apocalypse" lens on any of this. It will skew your head and prevent rational decision making. Do all thisbecause you love it, and for the learning, not out of fear or 'prepping'. You will inspire a wider group of viewers if you are not speaking from a bunker.
For raspberries, I’d suggest golden raspberry.
We have them growing in Central NY (Utica/Rome area) northeast of you, and not only do they thrive in full sun, they produce TWO crops.
One in the summer, and a second that runs until the frost kills them.
The berries are delicious and sweet-even before peak ripeness, so there’s no risk of picking them too soon.
If you can pry them off the bush, they’re immediately good to eat.
Red raspberry is tart until it’s peak ripeness, when it’s at risk of falling off the bush (I have wild raspberry, too).
If you’re ever up in the area, I’d gladly give you a bush. I have many-all from a single plant!
Best!
I pretty much use the same lenses, but I add growing space - I have a small village lot (same county as you) and some things just take up too much room relative to their food value. Large nut trees would be lovely, but most of my property would be dominated by their shade.
Yes, that's a very good point. I was very space constrained as well in the city, but even on a larger acreage, areas can be very space constraining, even depending on how you want to utilize the land.
Love your ideas and plans!. Especially like the idea of your growing raspberries as they are so expensive and don't travel well (maybe that's why they're pricey!). The delicate flavour and texture is something really special. Would also love to see Flock have a 'tomato house' in place for next Spring. There are so many exceptional heritage varieties out there that are bursting with flavour and have fascinating colour variations and shapes ~ for salads and sauces etc.
Of course when I say: 'Tomato House', I mean a good size, high-tech/high spec Sander design...nothing else will suffice! :)
Am proud of you guys and wish you well, with your food project. That is fantastic. Who will help you, if you have a huge harvest? Do you grow lettuce, potatoes or sweet potatoes? Can't wait to see your Gazebo design, path to it, and the surrounding garden area later. Great video. Was nice seeing you again.
I keep telling people (in articles & in person) that you don't have to like gardening to grow food. What you have to like is being responsible about helping yourself & saving money. If that doesn't make a person plant a bucket or laundry hamper with a few potatoes to grow down, a cucumber & tomato to grow up & a bunch of beans or peas to top off the container, what will?
Hi I’m am so proud of what you are doing ! I just started a raised bed and I had no idea that there are perennial and annual fruits and vegetables . Although I am part of the plant community I’m new to the growing food process . This is major because the world we live in now , it’s hard to say what will happen with our food supply . As well as our environment . I wish you all well . What you are doing is amazing , and so very important ! Thank you for sharing !
I did a PermaCulture course as well and agree with the food forest idea. I also can't believe the prices of food: leeks. Why would 2 leeks be over $5?? So, for your food cellar/cold storage, besides the fruits also Brassicas and alliums. I was listening to Dr. Berg talk about probiotics because serotonin is 99.99% made by gut flora. His suggestion was eat fresh veggies but also fermented foods; so, sauerkraut, pickles, and just ferment everything! Good job. Is there going to be an outside run for the chickens...?? Can't wait to hear how it's going. Thanks for sharing.
Finding wild currants around your orchard area is such a blessing. I’m not sure if it’s as big of a factor for you in your climate, but the blue orchard mason bee loves Apple and currant/gooseberry blossoms. I read a study that stated the researchers dissected the pollen provisions found in their overwintering locations, with the highest content of pollen coming from the Apple with second place being the Ribes clan! Wonderful pairing by nature!
Will have to find out more about that. Thanks for flagging! We'd love to do a full-blown pollinator study on this land.
@@FlockFingerLakes id love to follow along. 🤗🤗
@@FlockFingerLakes www.sare.org/wp-content/uploads/How_to_Manage_the_Blue_Orchard_Bee.pdf
The article I was talking about.
Currently expanding my Perennial patch by 760 sq ft I am planning on planting additional Hazelnuts and adding Blue berries and razzberries. I am preparing the bed now and will cover with woodchips next week. I was trying to do this earlier this past spring but I had difficulty sourcing the chips... I am hoping its not to late... (I am in central NY)
Thanks, Summer. I enjoyed your 5 points framework and this video. Good work! Keep 'em coming!
i cant wait for the whole farm tour....Brilliant ideas on food growing....
A wide brimmed sun hat might be a good idea for you, Summer! The overexposure to sun is showing!
I don't think it possible to produce ALL one's food but..... There's the food we currently eat, and then there's the food that we would eat if it was available.
Any crops in your current diet that you can't grow, look for alternatives that you can grow.
Then there's the crops we don't know if we like just because we've never tried them! Variety can be found by experimenting with a few new crops every year.
I enjoyed your comments about shifting priorities on your project list, in our dynamic world. I think I remember an episode you did in the winter, talking about your project list. I'll have to find that one again.
Oh please do a video on the plants specifically! I really want to get honey berries and would love your botanical insights.
Summer! I’ve been learning so much from you, love your channel. Thanks for inspiring me to live a healthier life ✌️
great insights into your thought process...'when SHTF' - you're way ahead of the curve. thk you.
Hi Summer, your channel is very inspiring! What I am wondering, will you work mainly with dwarf rooting fruit trees in your design or also with tall stem fruit trees? I really liked the mushroom story seems very interesting for me to follow. I am a landscape architect by training and became inspired by permaculture & agroforestry 4 years ago, through my visit to 'La Ferme du Bec Hellouin' in France. For me they remain the example of how function & aesthetics can be combined, do you know them? We follow a bit of the same path as you, but on a much smaller scale (1 acre). I am experimenting with the 'verger-maraîcher' system. Looks promising for now. Greetings from Belgium! ps. Ik spreek ook Nederlands Sander ;)
Hi Nicolas, thanks for sharing your journey and for pointing out La Ferme Bec Hellouin. We'll have to look them up. The market garden system in France, as well, is of interest. In regards to your question: the fruit trees in the "orchard area" we've planted semi-dwarf and dwarf varieties for two reasons: firstly ease of access to the fruit and secondly to not block the view, which we have one in that area. We also took care not to plant any high trees next to the tree swallow / purple martin box because they prefer to be far enough from tall trees. But as soon as we venture out of the orchard area, we're open to standards or if we are looking for shorter trees, are choosing fruit or nut-bearing trees that naturally would naturally be shorter in stature given that they are more understory trees or shrubs, like Amelanchier, Corylus, Viburnum, Myrica, etc. Thanks for asking.
"Given the more global, out-of-control issues that nearly everyone faces, including food shortages, price increases, and a devalued dollar..." That really isn't a good basis for a rational, long term community plan. Forget all that - do what you love, what will give you learning and pleasure for decades to come.
Good thing we love it too. As shared, food production was on the plan, but might as well get it in sooner rather than later given the current trajectory...
I love your content! Thank you! Motivated to implement some of your plans!
perennial food crops are the way to go....and the diversity is incredible unlike what you can get in a store.
What's happening in the Netherlands? I'm in the Netherlands and it was just some farmers protests (100% justified). They blocked some distribution centers which caused no major issues as far as I saw.
Anyway chickens are the easiest way to save money and have food security. Eggs every day for chickenfeed. As dense a food as you can get and you can pickle them too. Also you want to get some anyway so maybe move them up the agenda. A root cellar might be put to better use as a mushroom growth/production room. Nice episode!
Some farmers? And you have no concerns at all… great to hear.
Did she meant that? Ohw. I was wondering what she was referring to
@@deezidee2162 yeah, just some farmers, that’s all. 🤷♀️
@@aldas3831 that was about more rules for the farmers, mostly about the amount of gasses they produce. And if you ask me that are mostly meat farmers. So much farmers have cow's for meat or milk and land for the food for the cow's and they the pig farmers. And I can tell you that most of the meat that is produced here goes elsewhere. Where a small country like a poststamp can be producing big. Also with tomatos, bell peppers, cucumbers. I dont eat meat anymore so my food is mostly veggies, fruit and rice/pasta
We're referring to the agricultural cutbacks in the Netherlands and the farmer uprising on the seizure of land, which seems to be a contentious issue within the country. Some here link it to greater geo-political takeover of farmland. Some see it strictly as environmental regulation with no larger motivation than that. Hard to know. We chatted with folks there (Sander is Dutch and from the Netherlands so he has family and friends there) and it seems to be not as important to people who do not farm or know farmers personally.
You mentioned the lense "what is already expensive" i wanted to comment this and then you mentioned it :D Berries i always find so expensive and they often come from very far, although most of them are native to Europe, we import them from other continents which I find crazy. So that is also a lense that I find important. And also all the plastic you spare if you grow your own food. I know in the US it's even worse with the packaging.
And: is the plant resilient, like is it susceptible to insects or to birds or fungus etc. Blueberries are great, we also have Aronia berries but they are not tasty and the birds take them away before you can pick them for example. The same for cherries.
Where do you find some of the less common perennial plants such as gooseberry and sunchokes?
A lot to think about, thanks for sharing.
How do you plan to manage the berries area? My parents have a small patch in their garden that hasn/t been managed nor kept in rows/man-made structure. I noticed some losses in productivity. Do you have any plans to avoid such future issues? Also, I assume that once the area becomes fully grown it might be less easily - accessible. Thanks for taking time to answer!
Growing food is awesome but many people live in cities or urban areas where they don't have access to land or plots and cities should start using vacant and repossessed property for urban garden allotments. I know, yes some cities do but that needs to be a national mandate or goal for every city. And even setting up an office of urban gardening as some cities do to search out and find vacant and unused land and turn them into community food gardens.
Stone beds will hold the heat.... Nice ideas....with ur snow load... BEWARE of types hoop/ greenhouses ..... Yes best from own garden... I grewup in Hudson Valley n miss the area...
You look very red hope you didn't burn yourself! Take care with this weather, you work really hard. Great video as usual!
Thanks for your concern! When it's really bright out, we use a filter on the camera and when the sun is out, it turns skin red and I haven't been able to figure out how to "fix" the skin tone in post production. You're not the first person to mention it. You'll notice when the sun goes down, the skin "reddens" less in the filter. It's really annoying. I'm nice and tan and wear my sunscreen and hat daily. One of the 3 things my mother always reminded me to do!
@@FlockFingerLakes ah I thought something's like that might be the case 😊 glad to know you're alright
That’s what I’ve been saying to planters. I wish you guys knew what’s the plant industry were doing. They want everybody to plant collectable house plants. They were leading everybody away from food production. I’ve been warning planters to grow food. Glad you cover this topic now.
We have to remember, however, that not everyone has an adequate place to grow food. 83% of the US live in urban centers-most without any land to plant on. If they are lucky, they may have a patio or (illegal) fire escape space. When living in a city apartment full-time, I experimented with microgreens, potatoes, and herbs, but there's only so much you can grow. Even my plot at the community garden was severely compromised due to the fact that it was directly under a black locust tree, so only was shaded for the better part of the day. Growing tropicals indoors serves as an opportunity to grow plants year-round for folks who want that little bit of green or who enjoy growing plants, but may not have the opportunity (or the space) to grow food. For many, it's their gateway entry point to plants in general...and can be encouraging to someone who wants to eventually get into growing edible plants when / if they have adequate space.
@@FlockFingerLakes True! I’m talking about those people that are able to do it. With big space and lands. I have friends at upstate NY they grow corns. But I understand your goals is not food production. I can see that due to location, which is understandable, but times like this, you have to lead the way and use your content to encourage people that there’s a way. I can see you guys great potential. You’ve done a lot of research and great amount of brain storming. I have no doubt that you guys can pull it off. I support your content. Very inspiring. You can inspire more people to be self reliant. Thank you for your time and loving Mother Earth.
How do you provide water for the newly planted outer lying trees and shrubs?
Dried black currents taste amazing, kind of raisin like, fresh they don't wow me
We actually just went over to our friend's house and they had a cultivated variety of black currant (not sure what kind), but it was more delicious eaten fresh. We're inclined to get a cutting of that one! Thanks in regards to the tip of eating them dried.
Hola 👋. The beetroot overcoming the winter perfectly. Using only the leaves for salads or cooked … 😋 we keep this vegetal all year long.
Said that it’s nutritious like spinach.
Bests wishes in all your journey. 💚
Beets are a great all-you-can-eat food. Thank you!
Very thoughtful: a 6th lens? What grows really easily here?
Доброго дня! Мені буде цікаво спостерігати за вами, як ви вирощуєте овочі і фрукти. Я з України. Хочу сказати, що в моїй країні завжди всі люди були налаштовані мати дачі і городи, щоб там вирощувати якісь овочі, і мати фруктові дерева. Так повелось ще з часів СРСР, коли в країні все було в дефіциті. Коли навіть , щоб купити 200 г вершкового масла треба було відстояти 1,5 - 2 години в черзі. Пізніше, уже в Україні дефіцит зник, але ж ціни не завжди всіх влаштовували, та і тепличні овочі поступаються якістю тим, що вирощені власноруч. Своє завжди смачніше!
На жаль сьогодні Україну постійно обстрілюють російські окупаційні війська, а схід і південь взагалі сьогодні зайнятий рашистами. Тому в таких умовах важко господарювати. В інших областях, де тільки обстріли, між сиренами, люди господарюють на своїй землі. Ми намагаємось вирощувати все, як було раніше. Хоча ніхто не знає, що буде завтра. Росіяни вже знищили зерносховища, ферми і запаси пального, але ми віримо, що переможемо. Ми на своїй землі, ми хочемо миру в своїй країні. Наша країна - вільна країна, яка не бажає путінського режиму, а народ в Україні намагається будувати демократичну державу.
Thank you for sharing us firsthand experience. We're really hoping that the conflict in the Ukraine resolves and people are able to get back to their lives without the fear that people are experiencing every day.
Thank you I love everything about your videos!
You have done so well! I can't agree more about the rewards of growing our own food. Hopefully we will have water in drought states like CA into the future, which among many worries is one of those 'shit hitting the fan' scenarios...soon if not already. I'm trying to grow as much as I can (cucumbers, tomatoes, bell peppers and green beans) during these years before things get even worse. If I could only be self-sustainable somewhere!
great information!
you all are on top of it👍🏾
Could you please make a video on the medicinal species that you planted?
Yes, that warrants a video.
Interested to see how your blueberries turn out! I’ve failed blueberry bushes twice. I think bc we planted it near cedar, which inhibits growth. I gave some bushes to my sister & her family reported back that the birds kept getting to the berries before they could 😫 Also would be interested to learn more about your mushrooms! Ours haven’t come back & idk why 🥺 Tempted to try yellow oysters next though.
Blueberries need acid soil
The leaves of our blueberries this year (and some of the lignonberries-though not all) really got attacked by the spongy moths. They are starting to come back. We just went over to our friend's house and they have beautiful blubes that they put in a few seasons ago and they look GREAT but they said keeping the crows off of them has been tough! We hope that when Joey comes to town, he'll be the mushroom grower here. He expressed interest in it, so it'll be nice to see him possibly take the lead on it. Will be nice to have an extra pair of hands on that project. We are so focused on other projects, like the renovation, that we just didn't go out back as much as we should have been to do all the collecting we probably should have been of the Stropharia.
we do about 3-4 types of raspberries, and blackberries yum yum yum
Ya'll are such an inspiration! ✌️💚
I want to start my own food production but my house is only 90sqm, what do you recommend?
Watch your stone crop fruit trees for the fruit tree borer. I’ve lost cherry trees and peach trees to the borers. My brain isn’t working yet, I haven’t had any coffee and I just woke up, but do some research on the stone crop fruit tree borers. I thought my trees were doing fine until they weren’t anymore. I live in Michigan so I’m thinking since we’re not THAT far away from each other you may have the nasty little rascals in your area as well. It’s really a shame when your waiting for your trees to get old enough to produce more than a few peaches or cherries and they succumb to the borers. Please take a look at how they attack your trees? 🌸💚🙃 Also I don’t know about your rabbit pressures but we have generational rabbits on our land and I’ve also lost fruit trees to them. They like to girdle the fruit trees in the winter months, I would get some hardware cloth around the trunks of your trees at least. I’ve learned that when the trees are small it’s better to put hardware cloth around the whole tree and not just the trunk area, because wherever they girdle the tree the tree will die whether it’s at the base or up the trunk a few feet. Just a thought. Maybe you don’t have the rabbit pressure we do. Good luck!🌸💚🙃
Thanks Judy, very good to get your words of caution and your experience. We hadn't seen much rabbit pressure here but you never know. We haven't been here for even 2 years yet so sometimes you get those animal explosion years where all of a sudden, there are LOTS of bunnies, for instance. We've started to create more and more fences but in the meantime, wrap our trees. we noticed on one of our weeping varieties, someone tore into the bark. Still uncertain who did it, but we're hoping it persists and thrives.
@@FlockFingerLakes it should be fine as long as the tree wasn’t girdled. They usually can heal themselves with miner bark loss.🌸💚🙃
you must try josta berry which is a cross between gooseberry and blueberry grows about 4' x 4' fruit is prolific and really easy to take cuttings does not need acid soil.
another one well worth grow is physalis, cape gooseberry/
likes it hot grows about 4' x 4' fruit grows inside a paper husk which protects it from the bugs i love it it tastes like a sour pineapple. it is bright orange yellowwhen ripe and is clearly visible when ripe
Your common house has very large windows. Perhaps the first place to think of cold weather growing space.
Edible Acres utube located near finger lakes NY near you . Shows how to plant garlic around base of new tree sprouts to protect from rodents/ pest..... Best wishes, do love ur tours...for viewer. Learn about mushrooms !!! Not all good to eat !!!..
Are you planning on making a video compilation documenting the wildlife like birds, insects, mammals, etc, .
soon!
When the excrement hit's the rotary air exchange device. 😂
You should reach out to Monarch Tractor for a sponsorship with their electric tractor it’s on our wish list…
love your videos summer
One consumable I enjoy is home brewed kombucha. I'm in the process of adding the fruits and berries I need to flavor it with but this video got me thinking about the tea itself. I've just done the research and realized I can grow the tea plant too! (Zone 7 in the Pacific NW). Once again you've given us valuable food for thought! Thanks!
plant some cherry trees - fruit and nut trees are probably best roi w/o a doubt...think about growing some grains - watch out for the ergot, jokes aside great content - try to do some moonshot ideas and experiments - if you stay determined all the effort will add up
think about growing some mushrooms on logs - the only other suggestions - build some purple martin hotels, bat bozes and owl boxes
Growing your own food teaches you to respect the earth because it gives you life.
Great framework will definitely be stealing them.😁😁😁
freezers and refrigerators need juice. dig a hole below freezing point, for the roots like carrots, etc. and pickle everything else.
Where do you source your asparagus?
Old Mills Acres and Plant World and the ones we pulled up from the ground here, which came out of the old raised beds we disassembled.
Everything you are talking about is fine and very clever for long long time perspective, but for right here and now, You should plant som perennial greens, like kale, spinach, artichoke, sun choke, potatoes ( leave som in every year and it’s like forever coming back potatoes) and I’m sure there are much more perennial vegetables out there but here is mention some few you can harvest from now and further out in the future…
Leaving potatoes in the ground doesn't work in cold areas, they will freeze then rot
@@WyrdHag i live in cold area. Denmark and I dont always get every potato and next year I find it out when they start to sprout, so yes you can leave som small/baby potatoes in and the will grow!
Check out Elliot Coleman in Maine for year-round veggie production. No one knows more.
The World Health Organization (WHO) is the worldwide agency which can both declare the beginnings and endings of pandemic. They haven’t and forecasts from leading universities are many months to years yet. It ain’t over until it’s overs the USA currently has over 125k daily new infections through laboratories and an estimated 5 to 8x in new positive home tests which are not reported to states or federal government.
Sorry for asking but what did I mis here in the Netherlands thats going on? 😳
We're referring to the agricultural cutbacks in the Netherlands and the farmer uprising on the seizure of land, which seems to be a contentious issue within the country.
@@FlockFingerLakes Sorry to say this again, but it is not a seizure of land. It is about reducing the number of animals (mainly cattle) to reduce ammonia emissions, because those are really high here and they contribute to global warming and reduce biodiversity. Really, not trying to make a political statement here, but it is quite harmful to environmentalists, trust in the (currenly right-wing) government and to the farmers to keep speading the news that the Dutch government "just wants to take the land away from the farmers". If people would adopt a more plant-based diet (perhaps as a result of an environmental tax on meat or subsidised vegetables (I mean, flying is subsidised...)), we would end up with more food instead of less.
Was that $35 for the bag of apples???
Maybe you should grow some sunscreen trees
Addsomelingon and cloud berriestoyour crops. ADdsome pomegranate trees.
I'd love to find some cloudberry plants. Hard to find. Pomegranate wouldn't work unfortunately in my climate: Zone 5/6. We would near a year-round greenhouse for those.
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I could live on only blueberries
Must educate more people about sun chokes
Might be time to get a small tractor.
We definitely are in the market for one but still want to list out all the use cases so we get the right one for us. It's overdue though! I think once we get past the major renovations, we'll have more bandwidth to focus on tractor investment.
Japanese jewel berry
Keep a eye on USA drought. Here in the Midwest we are tracking 2012 perfectly sadly. Texas is worse. If crop stress results inflation could stay 6% for 2022. Just posted a 9% for June. FOMC will keep raising rates. Which is stressing everyone and everything. You all are so young. I grow up in the 1970s last time inflation was this high. My parents would have enough money to go the month. But by next 1st of the next month they would be in the hole... people have had so much extra cash. Inflation cause really bad mental survival stuff. Like money money in the bank.. no spending for anything but survival
Hmm, where is my comment gone?
Nut treesyu couldalsoaddarewalnuts,pecans,almonds,pinenuts, peanuts and soy beans, grains,
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Growing food is the crucial part of land ownership so that the really truly poor people do not have to compete with wealthy people (say earning over $35 grand a year from non farming careers) for the purchase of groceries. When land is not utilized well, as much as we love eye-candy on our properties, it affects people we do not even know. That is how the economy works. Such as a handyman I hire who is challenged & lives a self-sustaining life by need, and then struggles w. things like amaranth seeds that blow in & try to choke out his land for food production. I had all of my gardens ruined by horsetail fern which came in & loved all the mulch I had got. Roundup is too expensive to use so extensively so I just had to give up most of my 7 large beds and the entire huge veg garden. A few berry bushes still struggle...and of course mint.
Don;t forgetthatyou candey foodstoo for storafetoeatlater.,samegoesforherbstodry.