No cap your videos are baller not because of the useful info but also because of the old school music choices. Elena's theme is one of my old time favs.
The grab makes this match-up a nightmare for Gief. It feels like literally every character with a command grab is a better grappler than Gief sometimes lol
marisa scotum can be held if they spam fireballs. when she armors a fireball she closes in the gap setting up for that sweet sweet command grab or other mix up. it is so fun
Basically, What I love to do is using Triglav at the other side of the screen on wakeup, using Torbulan low or mid, another Triglav in case it hit for the combo. You can also use Departure on wakeup and and go for a Triglav and just waiting or teleporting if there is a jump. If you know the opponent is going to parry, then use the Teleport and throw or the Command Grab. It's over.
It's intended, there's a reason those fireballs have a very obvious windup animation. On the same vein there's a reason why they also delay that animation when coming across someone whose been knocked down.
I don't believe it was. It is simply because JP projectiles are active when the fireball is active when the claw appears. Basically, the fireball is like a normal hit, but act like a fireball.
@@dingusdangus9299 No, Capcom just screwed You shouldn't be able to dash thru them. It is another proof that they are not pros and they don't play with their games.
it's definitely intentional, if they didn't want stuff like this to happen they would just make his fireballs traveling hitboxes like every other fireball in the game. it's why he can feint them, a majority of this counterplay loses to that.
juri player here, I have been messing around with different timings and I just cant figure out the dash through. Even if I get 90% of the way past the projectile it still hits me in the end. Anyone know what im doing wrong
It takes a LOT of practice to get used to the timing and the only thingi can say is "do it when the fireball is a character length in front of you" Like most of the dashable ones took me legit about 30 minutes to get a successful attempt. Hers were much easier but even then its tricky until you get used to the timing.
Question. So is the reason why some dashes make it through JP's projectile, because they're fast enough to pass the hurtbox that triggers? I'm a little lost
Just a problem i have with your format, the text on the top is above the example and it ends as the example ends meaning i have to choose to read or watch the example. Maybe but it at the bottom of like over the example idk. Just my thoughts good vid.
You can’t read the text and watch an example at the same time regardless of where the text is placed. My advice would be to read the text first then look at the example.
@@kevin-bf4ww it was tested on the previous video, and yes that works only at close ranges, which at that point most won't be using fireballs or it would just be too on point to react to it. If you do it at mid range you're just going to get punished as that move doesn't travel far
With how hard sonicfox just beat fchamp in the sim matchup tonight (10-2) idk. Excited to see how both keep improving. Also, does Chun have any other options to the fireballs besides L2 super?
I REFUSE to believe that Juri can just through every Jp porjectile. i gotta try this out now. EDIT: JURI-JP IS A 10-0 MU, JP SUCK, BOTTOM TIER, IF I LOSE TO JP I'M THROWING edit: nevermind, it's actually pretty hard to do in a real match. FUck this old man.
Good lab info, I dind't knew that, but JP, is the King of SF6. The problem is that ANYTIME you are knockdown, you are in for a VORTEX at the other side of the screen that you CANNOT avoid. He can use Departure, Triglav or Torbulan (low or mid) and all that stuff is a COMBO opportunity. Add to this insane normals and insane and frame traps and you are just back in USFIV playing against El Fuerte.
not just feint, but he also has pierce to beat these options as well. JP is all about having many zoning options and choosing the right ones for the job, he doesnt need the buff
So like i said in the video, they literally don't actually "activate" until they reach your character. So characters with fast, long range dashes can actually avoid the hitbox that is formed if they dash as it reaches them. This also applies to any tool that moves them forward or backward significantly fast which is why Honda and Blanka are so good here.
it's because the claw swipe is what actually hits you, and it has startup frames. the fireball itself doesn't do anything, you can move straight through it. so when you dash through it, if your dash is fast and long enough, the claw swipe starts but is too slow to hit you before you're on the other side.
@@DenOfSin Right I know that's in concept but...the difference must be so small, yet it makes a huge difference. I feel like it might get equalized, it barely even seems intentional. It's certainly counterintuitive to dash into a fireball!
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Really good resource for JP projectile counterplay.
as a juri player i'm very pleased by this info
If JP just did that projectile it would be one thing. But mixing it up with spikes and trap is when it gets frustrating, it's very overwhelming
Also the cancel makes those FB mix-ups even more dangerous
Fair, but if we could negate everything he does then he'd suck lol
So much details. Good thing i’m using spikes mostly.
The problem is not the special moves, but how he can use them, like you are stating.
@@PillowSensei But you can't.... >XD
I’ve found that Dee Jay’s forward punch follow up from his sway cannot avoid the JP’s grab projectile, so be careful
This game is literally SF6 Vs Dee Jay.
They are everywhere!
Zangeif who? Chum-Lee where? And Sim hiding like where Waldo.
No cap your videos are baller not because of the useful info but also because of the old school music choices.
Elena's theme is one of my old time favs.
Bro, your channel is amazing, how did I only heard of it now
The grab makes this match-up a nightmare for Gief. It feels like literally every character with a command grab is a better grappler than Gief sometimes lol
Juri looked at JP's projectile game and is all "Whatever..."
Great news for Cammy! Can't wait to see your full Modern Breakdown vid for her, I've been messing around a bit and having a lot of fun!
marisa scotum can be held if they spam fireballs. when she armors a fireball she closes in the gap setting up for that sweet sweet command grab or other mix up. it is so fun
Basically, What I love to do is using Triglav at the other side of the screen on wakeup, using Torbulan low or mid, another Triglav in case it hit for the combo. You can also use Departure on wakeup and and go for a Triglav and just waiting or teleporting if there is a jump. If you know the opponent is going to parry, then use the Teleport and throw or the Command Grab. It's over.
Holy hell this is like discovering fire. Great resource
I guess you learn something new everyday I'll keep that in mind with Jamie
This looks so funky. Almost like it's not intended.
It's intended, there's a reason those fireballs have a very obvious windup animation. On the same vein there's a reason why they also delay that animation when coming across someone whose been knocked down.
I don't believe it was. It is simply because JP projectiles are active when the fireball is active when the claw appears. Basically, the fireball is like a normal hit, but act like a fireball.
@@dingusdangus9299 No, Capcom just screwed You shouldn't be able to dash thru them. It is another proof that they are not pros and they don't play with their games.
it's definitely intentional, if they didn't want stuff like this to happen they would just make his fireballs traveling hitboxes like every other fireball in the game. it's why he can feint them, a majority of this counterplay loses to that.
The video is a Godsend. The million dollar question has been answered! Great Video
Jamie can Drive Rush + forward+HK command normal to go through fireballs while traveling nearly fullscreen
Excellent tech, you got a new sub
Man Juri is insane in this game.
Off topic, but Luke's alternate costume is so good.
Me: Taking notes for the boss fight knowing damn well he’ll kick my ass regardless
Lily can use her taunt camera flash to cancel projectiles.
beats in my headddd
Juri does not give a fuck. As it should be.
And Sim just says no
This needs more views
juri player here, I have been messing around with different timings and I just cant figure out the dash through. Even if I get 90% of the way past the projectile it still hits me in the end. Anyone know what im doing wrong
Divekick has been how i get in against JP.
It takes a LOT of practice to get used to the timing and the only thingi can say is "do it when the fireball is a character length in front of you"
Like most of the dashable ones took me legit about 30 minutes to get a successful attempt. Hers were much easier but even then its tricky until you get used to the timing.
For the juri dashing thru jp strat, what's my cue that I can safely dash thru them?
Can't do it consistently. :(
Need help when i sit with honda i cant do headbutt i need to physically move a step behind to do a headbutt how do you do that?
This game is literally SF6 Vs Dee Jay.
They are everywhere!
Zangeif who? Chum-Lee where? And Sim hiding like where Waldo.
Question. So is the reason why some dashes make it through JP's projectile, because they're fast enough to pass the hurtbox that triggers? I'm a little lost
Yes. The dashes that work do so because they move fast enough to have cleared the projectile's hitbox by the time it activates.
@@Demonstormlord Preciate the clarification. I thought I got it.
everyone's gonna love using this against LTG's JP lol
yo! us juri mains eating goooood
Awesome!
thanks this is very helpful
can manon 236PP through the grab or just the hits?
Dragonlash works against everything as well with Ken.
Wtf I didnt know that even as a Cammy main, that match up is so much easier now lol
Luke can also do hp knuckle through fireball
Just a problem i have with your format, the text on the top is above the example and it ends as the example ends meaning i have to choose to read or watch the example. Maybe but it at the bottom of like over the example idk. Just my thoughts good vid.
You can’t read the text and watch an example at the same time regardless of where the text is placed. My advice would be to read the text first then look at the example.
You're a hero
Does this apply to his spike?
Damn Jamie shafted yet again, he really needs some buffs it's way too easy to zone him out even with basic hadoukens
jamie has a projectile sliding move he gets at 2 drinks that it doesnt look like was tested here
@@kevin-bf4ww it was tested on the previous video, and yes that works only at close ranges, which at that point most won't be using fireballs or it would just be too on point to react to it. If you do it at mid range you're just going to get punished as that move doesn't travel far
You can also ex dp through fireball as luke. The range is pretty far.
That's universal for ex dp even in older versions
no yoga?
Marisa can also use her guard stance
Scutum was covered in the last video IIRC
@@josh___something my bad
JP low tier after this video spread out the information
With how hard sonicfox just beat fchamp in the sim matchup tonight (10-2) idk. Excited to see how both keep improving. Also, does Chun have any other options to the fireballs besides L2 super?
I mean she has her own fireball
Stance and Hazanshu
I REFUSE to believe that Juri can just through every Jp porjectile. i gotta try this out now.
EDIT: JURI-JP IS A 10-0 MU, JP SUCK, BOTTOM TIER, IF I LOSE TO JP I'M THROWING
edit: nevermind, it's actually pretty hard to do in a real match. FUck this old man.
WOW.
Jamie only having one option for one move 💀 tell me it aint tru
Good lab info, I dind't knew that, but JP, is the King of SF6. The problem is that ANYTIME you are knockdown, you are in for a VORTEX at the other side of the screen that you CANNOT avoid. He can use Departure, Triglav or Torbulan (low or mid) and all that stuff is a COMBO opportunity. Add to this insane normals and insane and frame traps and you are just back in USFIV playing against El Fuerte.
i'm quite certain a future patch will let JP just manually activate the hit from his projectiles except for maybe grab.
Since he already has the Feint, i feel like that would be too busted.
not just feint, but he also has pierce to beat these options as well. JP is all about having many zoning options and choosing the right ones for the job, he doesnt need the buff
As a JP user he does not need anything at this stage other than to be explored.
do not unmute
Oh no no no, JPbros, we got too cocky
Dont let the JP player know this tech because this video will become their ammo for downplaying JP menace.
Zangief suffers
What the hell is wrong with JP's fireballs??? Why are they so inconsistent from character to character..? shit makes no sense! lol! good video!
So like i said in the video, they literally don't actually "activate" until they reach your character. So characters with fast, long range dashes can actually avoid the hitbox that is formed if they dash as it reaches them. This also applies to any tool that moves them forward or backward significantly fast which is why Honda and Blanka are so good here.
it's because the claw swipe is what actually hits you, and it has startup frames.
the fireball itself doesn't do anything, you can move straight through it.
so when you dash through it, if your dash is fast and long enough, the claw swipe starts but is too slow to hit you before you're on the other side.
@@DenOfSin Right I know that's in concept but...the difference must be so small, yet it makes a huge difference. I feel like it might get equalized, it barely even seems intentional. It's certainly counterintuitive to dash into a fireball!
Ok why this music? I had to wait about half before it slightly changed yeah I get it. It’s a music from third strike but in this video it annoys.
D-tier JP coming in 3...2...1
JP downplayer incoming...
@@methanesulfonic Downplay how? He's literally broken. Juri just no-clips half your moveset.
@@megabear8905 yeah but just use ground spike
@@i.ftekhar JP also has amazing normals for a Zoner, so if you mess up he just sends you full screen again